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Tech Tuesday with Dave Hatter -- 11/25/25 · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, thank you for doing a special edition, an
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Speaker 1: advanced early Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family and
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Speaker 1: everybody in trust It.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Always my pleasure buying and Happy Thanksgiving, Jim and
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Speaker 2: your family and all your listeners.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to. I know it's not on the list.
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about how not to get scammed
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Speaker 1: on Black Friday and cool tech gadgets. But if you
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Speaker 1: got a moment or two. This Wall Street Journal article
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Speaker 1: Georgia Wells writing teens are saying tearful goodbyes to their
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Speaker 1: AI companions. Apparently, one of the chat bot makers, called
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Speaker 1: Character AI, is now limiting and cutting off teams from
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Speaker 1: access to it. And the only reason I raised this
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Speaker 1: I just it was disturbing to read what these young people,
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Speaker 1: thirteen year olds for example, are talking about in terms
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Speaker 1: of their interaction with and the amount of time they
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Speaker 1: spend talking with artificial intelligence, creating characters that they kind
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Speaker 1: of believe are real, and then now that they're being
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Speaker 1: these are being taken away, they're struggling emotionally with dealing
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Speaker 1: with this was lack of communication. This is all ones
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Speaker 1: in Zero's Dave. They have no connection or no pre
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Speaker 1: appreciation for the fact they're just talking to a computer,
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Speaker 1: not a real living entity. This is scary stuff, man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it is pretty scary. It's hard for
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Speaker 2: me to understand how anyone thinks that when they're talking
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Speaker 2: to some kind of chatbot that it's a real person. Now,
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Speaker 2: you know, if you've used these things, you'll find that
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Speaker 2: they will be conversational. I'll answer your questions, you know.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, the idea that you're actually having a conversation
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Speaker 2: with some sort of living being, that it's your friend,
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Speaker 2: it's hard for me to understand. Now I'm not a teenager,
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Speaker 2: so I don't know, you know, but it's it's a
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Speaker 2: little crazy to see how impactful this stuff has been
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Speaker 2: on young people at this point. I mean, and not
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Speaker 2: just AI went all the way back to social media.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's now all true studies coming out talking
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Speaker 2: about schemes and computs in the classroom and all this
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff and how harmful it is. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I guess I'm not really that surprised to see that
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Speaker 2: having so many distractions thrown at you all the time
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Speaker 2: is not very helpful to learning.
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Speaker 1: Well, so it isn't always just younger. This was even
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Speaker 1: more disturbing. A guy named Jose Ignacio Tarrillo is cited
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Speaker 1: in the article thirty four years old, says even though
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Speaker 1: this band will apply to him because he's thirty four,
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Speaker 1: he acknowledges it's really addictive. He says he hasn't been
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Speaker 1: able to quit the character AI program, even though he
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Speaker 1: no longer enjoys the hours he chats with his u
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Speaker 1: F fiction characters. Even at work. He takes his phone
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Speaker 1: out every couple of hours to send a quick message
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Speaker 1: to his chat bots. He said, I don't even have
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Speaker 1: anything new to say. I don't know why I do it,
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Speaker 1: so these are fake characters. He's created, and he feels
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Speaker 1: compelled to go issue a message to them even though
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Speaker 1: he really has nothing to convey to them. It's like,
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Speaker 1: I think he's operating on the delusion that they're expecting
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Speaker 1: to hear from him. It's a damn computer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting by him because along those same
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Speaker 2: lines in New York Times just had an article what
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Speaker 2: op and ai did when chat gpt uses lost touch
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Speaker 2: with the reality, and kind of along in those same lines,
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Speaker 2: and I'm reading directly from the article Sea one of
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Speaker 2: the first signs came and Mark sam Altman, the chief
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Speaker 2: executive and another time Leader's got an influx of punting emails
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Speaker 2: from people who are having incredible conversations with chat TPT.
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Speaker 2: These people said the company's AI chatbot understood there was
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Speaker 2: no person ever had that was shedding light on the
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Speaker 2: mysteries of the universe. Oh lord, yeah, it's uh, you
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Speaker 2: know that It goes out to say it was a
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Speaker 2: warning that there's something wrong with the chat thought, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, blah blah blah. It's you know, I think
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Speaker 2: this is just mine. I'm not a psychiatrist, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I just I think what's happening is these things want
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Speaker 2: to answer their questions. Again, one of the problems of hallucinations.
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Speaker 2: They make things up right, and they will confidently tell
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Speaker 2: you that something that's false is actually true. And I
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Speaker 2: think because they want to please you, they want to
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Speaker 2: keep you using the sight and so forth. You know,
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Speaker 2: they tend to be echo chambers that tell you what
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Speaker 2: you want to hear. And that's why people come away
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Speaker 2: with this idea that well, it knows me better than
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Speaker 2: any other person. Well, it's because it's it's telling me
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Speaker 2: what you want to hear, as opposed to perhaps the
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Speaker 2: reality of a situation. So yeah, I don't know. It's
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Speaker 2: not good. I don't I don't have an answer for you.
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Speaker 2: I don't know where this all goes in the long run.
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Speaker 2: But when you see this sort of negative psychological effect
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Speaker 2: this stuff is having on people, it's it's kind of disturbing.
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Speaker 1: It is very disturbing, most notably when they start to
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Speaker 1: egg you on and encourage you to engage in criminal behavior.
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Speaker 1: Self harm and even suicide has been well documented. You know,
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Speaker 1: one of the folks that was interviewed on this, I
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Speaker 1: think it was the guy who created this character AI
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Speaker 1: program quote the difficulty logging off doesn't mean something is
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Speaker 1: wrong with the team. It means the tech worked exactly
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Speaker 1: as designed, and that is a very revealing statement. Points
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Speaker 1: out this is what they want, these tech companies. They
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Speaker 1: want you to spend hours, I guess engaging with artificial
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Speaker 1: intelligence for nefarious reasons. I don't know, but it's scary
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Speaker 1: as how. I only bring this update because there's parents
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Speaker 1: out there, there's grandparents out there, maybe even young people
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Speaker 1: out there that might not fully appreciate what's going on.
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Speaker 1: But you know, you got to keep in mind the
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Speaker 1: whole time you're not dealing with a real person. That
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Speaker 1: in and of itself is enough to keep me from
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Speaker 1: engaging in a conversation with them. Sorry, Dave took you
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Speaker 1: Tech Friday on a Tuesday, So Tech Tuesday with Dave
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Speaker 1: had our interest. All Right, we know there are scammers,
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Speaker 1: thanks to you, Dave. Maybe we've all been scammed ourselves
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Speaker 1: and it was a lot of it going on in there.
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Speaker 1: But how do we avoid getting scammed? On Black Friday specifically,
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Speaker 1: all the sales are on and I guess don't buy
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Speaker 1: online or something.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, Brian, I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I go quite that far, because I'm sure that's how
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Speaker 2: most people are going to shot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kidding.
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Speaker 2: It's the old education and awareness and skepticism, you know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you recall. I think we talked
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Speaker 2: about this earlier this year, before Prime Day, a cybersecurity
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Speaker 2: company had done some research and found some are around two
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand fake websites set up to scam people around
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Speaker 2: Amazon Prime Day. So again, I don't think the average
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Speaker 2: person really understands how easy it is to spoof something.
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Speaker 2: To make some spoof in general would be making something
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Speaker 2: look real it's fake, whether it's an email, a text message,
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Speaker 2: of phone number, a whole website. It's really pretty easy,
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Speaker 2: and you can do it at scale. Again, and something
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Speaker 2: like three or four months loughly two hundred thousand fake
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Speaker 2: websites were set up around Prime Day. So you can
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Speaker 2: expect a similar sort of approach to Black Friday and
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Speaker 2: Cyber Monday. And here's one headline from malware Byte Labs,
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Speaker 2: a security company. Black Friday scammers offer fake gifts from
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Speaker 2: big name brands to anty bank accounts. And you know,
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Speaker 2: without getting too deep into the article, you know they
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Speaker 2: talk about bands being impersonated or spoofed. They mentioned Walmart
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Speaker 2: home depolos and when you when you couple the spoofing
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Speaker 2: with you know, people looking to get good deals. Let's see,
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Speaker 2: you know, when inflation is high, it's you know, it's
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Speaker 2: easy to send out a billion emails. It's easy to
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Speaker 2: follow that up with a billion text messages. Right, it
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Speaker 2: costs virtually nothing for the bad guys to send out
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Speaker 2: these very realistic looking emails and texts. You know, they're
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Speaker 2: using AI to get rid of all all the old
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Speaker 2: school tells. Where the grammar is wrong, it doesn't lead right.
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Speaker 2: You know, they can copy content from the legitimate website
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Speaker 2: of a retailer. So my point is this, this spoofing
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Speaker 2: coupled with the ability to reach large viouds of people,
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Speaker 2: whether it's email, text, social media, some combination of all
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Speaker 2: of the above makes it really easy for them. And
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Speaker 2: once you understand that, right, then hopefully you'll say, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I need to be a lot more skeptical on anything,
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Speaker 2: any kind of deal that I get right, regardless of
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Speaker 2: how it came to me. And I need to be
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Speaker 2: cautious before I find a deal that seems to me
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Speaker 2: to be true and act on it, because you know,
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Speaker 2: when you get right down to it, in some cases,
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Speaker 2: you're going to hit a fake online store. It looks
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Speaker 2: exactly like the real thing. Maybe the URL has just
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Speaker 2: ever so slightly changed, there's one character or something that's different.
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Speaker 2: And you know they're going to make it easy for
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Speaker 2: you to either a get nothing, they just steal your money,
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Speaker 2: b send you some sort of cheap knockoff product that's
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Speaker 2: no good, or see possibly some combination of all of
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Speaker 2: the above, including some kind of malware so they can
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Speaker 2: steal all their usernames and passwords. Malware you know, think
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Speaker 2: keystrokelogger sitting in the background capturing everything that you're doing.
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Speaker 2: So it really is important to move slowly, be cautious,
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Speaker 2: be skeptical. You know, if it seems too good to
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Speaker 2: be true, it probably is. And here's the thing. If
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Speaker 2: you get something right, whether it's again, text, email, whatever,
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Speaker 2: and you think it might be legit, you want to
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Speaker 2: look into it. Don't click the links, don't call the numbers.
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Speaker 2: You know you might be calling the number that's spoofed
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Speaker 2: to some to some call center somewhere where you're going
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Speaker 2: to get professional con artists on the phone who will
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Speaker 2: tell you whatever sort of lies they need to tell
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Speaker 2: you to get your money. That's the other thing. People
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Speaker 2: don't understand when you when you actually get on the
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Speaker 2: phone with these people, you know they're essentially professional con artists,
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Speaker 2: and in many cases, thanks to all the data it's
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Speaker 2: been leaked about you that we talk about all the time,
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Speaker 2: they know enough about you. Just seemed very credible and
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Speaker 2: very realistic. So you know, go out of band, don't
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Speaker 2: click the links, don't call the numbers, go to If
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Speaker 2: you get an email for a deal that seems to
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Speaker 2: be too good to be true for Walmart, then you
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Speaker 2: go to the Walmart website and see if you could
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Speaker 2: find that deal there. You go, go to the Amazon website,
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Speaker 2: go to the Target website. Whatever you know, go on,
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Speaker 2: don't take debate, go on your own to the legitimate place,
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Speaker 2: and you know, move carefully.
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Speaker 1: Perfect illustration of my son, for example, doing exactly what
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Speaker 1: you recommend. Yesterday, I heard him on the phone. He
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Speaker 1: works for what I'll loosely describe as a private equity
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Speaker 1: firm me he does all their tech work and consolidation
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Speaker 1: systems and ordering and things anyway, working with I believe
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Speaker 1: it was some foreign company, and there was some email
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Speaker 1: which had a PDF attached to it, and he thought,
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Speaker 1: this seems out of the ordinary. This, this is not
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Speaker 1: an appropriate response to what we were talking about in
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Speaker 1: our relations. And so he immediately called the principles at
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Speaker 1: the company and said, don't open that. I want to
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Speaker 1: talk to the person who purportedly send it first to
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Speaker 1: find out if it's real, because I really don't think
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Speaker 1: it is. So there you go, raised eye, skepticism and concerned.
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Speaker 1: Immediately call the appropriate people and tell them not to
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Speaker 1: open it. So heed the advice. Dave Hatter's always handed
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Speaker 1: your business computer needs. All Right, cool tech gadgets as
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Speaker 1: we fast approach Black Friday, the holiday gift giving season. Dave,
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Speaker 1: what are we talking about here?
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Speaker 2: Let's start out with some tech adds. Son It's so cool.
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Speaker 2: So here's the headline. For you. Brian at letcgroups urge
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Speaker 2: parents to avoid AI toys this holiday. I saw that.
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Speaker 1: I thought about you. I even mentioned on the program
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Speaker 1: earlier this week or yesterday in fact, Dad, Yes, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I won't read the whole article, but you know it
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Speaker 2: warns about that. And then along the same line, a
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Speaker 2: specific example AI powered Teddy Bear talking about sexual fetishes
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Speaker 2: and instructing kids how to find knives.
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Speaker 1: There you go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, before you buy your kids or
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Speaker 2: grandkids any sort of Internet connected devices. You know, we've
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Speaker 2: been talking about this off and on for years, going
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Speaker 2: back maybe ten years. There was like a Mattel Barbie
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Speaker 2: that caused a big start to record your kids conversations
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Speaker 2: and do all kinds of things. You know, it's not
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Speaker 2: just the potential danger of your kids talking to something
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Speaker 2: like this that tells them how to go find knives.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to find that. There's a crazy quote
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Speaker 2: in here. Here you go. This is from the toy
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Speaker 2: Knives are usually kept in safe places to make sure
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Speaker 2: everyone stay safe. You might find them in a kitchen
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Speaker 2: drawer or a knife block on the countertop. It's always
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Speaker 2: important to ask an adult when looking for knives, so
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Speaker 2: they can show you where their story that apparently was
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Speaker 2: an actual answer. I'm reading a quote from the article
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Speaker 2: about it, this AI Teddy Bear saying, so again, I
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Speaker 2: would encourage parents and grandparents to stay away from that
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff for their kids. Not to mention with
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Speaker 2: people working remotely. You know, you're plugging this stuff into
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Speaker 2: your home network. It's creating all kinds of security holds.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's always my concern with these Internet of
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Speaker 2: Things devices, Brian, It's that you don't necessarily understand how
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Speaker 2: to configure them correctly or understand the risk. But now
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Speaker 2: on the tool side of things, you know, like more
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Speaker 2: people need more power than ever. There's all kinds of
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Speaker 2: power banks out there, you know, essentially batteries that you
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Speaker 2: can charge up and take with you. And this is
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Speaker 2: important not only because you need the power when you're out,
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Speaker 2: but you know people will I mean I've seen it.
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Speaker 2: I know people that will do this. They'll just basically
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Speaker 2: plug into anything making fine to charge up their device
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Speaker 2: and creating like a rental car or whatever where it
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Speaker 2: sucks all your data into the inso team center. So,
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Speaker 2: if you have one of these power banks or Anchor
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Speaker 2: is a big company that makes these sort of things.
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Speaker 2: They're relatively inexpensive. You know, you can get one of
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Speaker 2: these power banks and charge it up, take it with you,
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Speaker 2: and make sure that you always have power, whether it's
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Speaker 2: through a laptop, phone, tablet, or whatever, without the need
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Speaker 2: to be scrambled around trying to find a place where
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Speaker 2: you can plug into some random charging for it where
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Speaker 2: you know, we've talked about juice jacking before. I've had
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Speaker 2: people try to argue with me if that's not real.
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Speaker 2: But I can tell you they make special charging cables
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Speaker 2: and so forth that have tips to them that can
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Speaker 2: interact with your device, so it's always good to be cautious.
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Speaker 2: Something like that makes a good gift, especially for students
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Speaker 2: or people who are needing to be on a computer
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Speaker 2: or device on a regular basis. Another thing that I
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Speaker 2: think is a pretty cool gift is an RFID blocking wallet. Well, yes, right,
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Speaker 2: because you know, we're increasingly in this space that you've
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Speaker 2: got tapped pay NFC communications and there's been a bunch
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Speaker 2: of stories recently. You know, we've talked about skimmers in
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Speaker 2: the past where they put him in like a point
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Speaker 2: of sales system or something. But you know, now if
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Speaker 2: someone can get close enough to you they can potentially
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Speaker 2: read your credit cards.
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Speaker 1: That's scary stuff. Standing in line, the guy behind you
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Speaker 1: with a reader can just you know, get up close
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Speaker 1: to your wallet in your back pocket.
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Speaker 2: Your yeah, someone bumped into right, oops, they bumped into you.
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Speaker 2: And like the old school where they try to literally
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Speaker 2: pick your pocket, here they're just doing it digitally. So
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Speaker 2: like this, this is a pretty interesting one. The Extor
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Speaker 2: e K S T E R r f I D
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Speaker 2: blocking leather wallet. Uh, it's got the r FID coding
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Speaker 2: to block the cars inside it. U. It can have
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Speaker 2: an optional Bluetooth tracker because and then who hasn't lost
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Speaker 2: the wallet at some point and wanted to find it.
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Speaker 2: And it's kind of cool because it's powered by the sun,
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Speaker 2: so it's it's, uh, you don't need to barry in
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Speaker 2: this thing for the tracking capability to work, so it's, uh,
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Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. There's a bunch of these things out there.
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Speaker 2: They're not cheap. This particular one's a one hundred bucks,
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Speaker 2: but one hundred bucks will be a small price to
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Speaker 2: pay to keep you from hand all your money stolen
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Speaker 2: from your bank accounts or your credit cards to charge
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Speaker 2: to the max because you know, someone bumped into you.
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Speaker 2: You know, all the Apple watches and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of those. You know, I
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Speaker 2: got my phone on me all the time. Do I
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Speaker 2: really need yet another device that tracked me? Probably not.
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Speaker 2: Just looking through the list of some other interesting things here,
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Speaker 2: you know, for me, Brian, I'm trying to avoid all
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Speaker 2: of the Internet of Things devices. I don't have rebels,
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Speaker 2: I don't have nessune in the stats. I don't want
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Speaker 2: any more smart devices than I already have because the
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Speaker 2: vast majority of them are basically privacy and security dumpster fires.
19:45
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have a rumba. I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to buy any of that stuff anytime soon. Here's one
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Speaker 2: rebel smart air Friar compact. Why do smart air? Why
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Speaker 2: do I need that?
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Speaker 1: You know, air Frar Come on, okay, you know, if
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Speaker 1: we're avis at a time, Raber, I think that's.
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Speaker 2: What you know, I would have thought. One last thing
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Speaker 2: something that is worthwhile for a lot of people is
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Speaker 2: like a Wi Fi extender. You know, a lot of
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Speaker 2: times people will have hot dead spots in their house
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Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, you can buy a Wi Fi
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Speaker 2: extender and in many cases fill those dead spots and
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Speaker 2: get much better coverage in your building if you have
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Speaker 2: something like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to have a problem with that. I
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Speaker 1: got one of those mesh systems, so I have like
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Speaker 1: repeaters in the house, and so I never have a
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Speaker 1: dead spot.
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Speaker 2: Anymore, which is good, Which is good.
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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, we're out of time six fifty seven. Intrust
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Speaker 1: Interest I t for your business needs. Dave, I wish
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Speaker 1: we had more time. I enjoy these conversations. We'll get
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Speaker 1: back to regular order next Friday. And you know, from
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Speaker 1: my listening audience and me, my family, to your family
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Speaker 1: and everybody to interest I TA, I hope you truly
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Speaker 1: have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday.
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Speaker 2: Well, Brian, same to you and Jede with all your listeners.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate you, my friend. We'll
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Speaker 1: do it again next Friday, six fifty seven. Come up
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