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#2206 Audio Books You Can Chat With - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's it's Tiff Cook, It's Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: James Bonello, It's me, Craig Anthony Harper. It's the You Project.
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  Speaker 1: Every week, is it week or no? It's every second week.
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  Speaker 1: Every fourteen days, Patrick and I and the young Tiff
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  Speaker 1: get together and talk about all things well. The intention
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  Speaker 1: of the show is technology and kind of what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in the world of science and the development of
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  Speaker 1: all of these great things. Rarely do we actually end
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  Speaker 1: up there. We do a bit, but it's a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a bloody fruit salad of conversation. So welcome. If
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  Speaker 1: it's your first time. If it is your first time,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably not going to be exactly what you thought,
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  Speaker 1: but now that I briefed you, maybe it will be.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to start with the leprecorn and in his
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  Speaker 1: green hoodie. Hi mate, how are you.
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  Speaker 2: Like a up strap in and just come in for
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  Speaker 2: the right just you're looking.
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  Speaker 1: Very sint Patrick's day over there to be sure to
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  Speaker 1: be sure Crombie and Fitch. That's jeez. Did you sell
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  Speaker 1: your car to get that? I got it on eBay
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  Speaker 1: years ago? Did you say on the eBay? Yeah? I did? Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Are you my mum? I didn't say the e bay.
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  Speaker 1: We're going up to Southlands, which won't mean anything tonight
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  Speaker 1: in center my audience, it's a shopping center here here
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  Speaker 1: which is called Southland. Told the air conditioning didn't come on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you threw that in that as mine. If
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  Speaker 1: I good morning, your poor little poppet. You've got a
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  Speaker 1: bruised hand. You've got a gym injury. How many gym
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  Speaker 1: injuries like that?
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  Speaker 2: That?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you ended up with an injury that you didn't
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  Speaker 1: take into the gym, but you left the.
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  Speaker 3: Gym with, and not an even from overtraining or anything
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  Speaker 3: sinister like that. Well, it's more sinister, isn't it. I
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  Speaker 3: got attacked by a z bar, quite a heavy z bar.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm speaking on behalf of the z bar. It
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  Speaker 1: was sitting still on a rack at the time. So
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  Speaker 1: I think you're the variable. It's the constant ergo, you're
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  Speaker 1: the problem.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed to jump out on me when I wasn't looking.
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  Speaker 3: As far as Mike.
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  Speaker 1: You were lifting a bar off a rack, and you
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  Speaker 1: hit the bar above the one you were pulling off,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak. And then you you know, as it's
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  Speaker 1: coming out of your mouth, I'm just like I know
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  Speaker 1: what Patrick's going to He's going to be over there
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  Speaker 1: fucking snortling, and he's two thousand dollars hoodie you yep,
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  Speaker 1: So you smashed the back of your hand and all
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  Speaker 1: the back of your hands all bruised.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh it's quite nasty. It's quite nasty, but.
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  Speaker 1: You soldier it on like a little weapon.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: I sold it on. I did my last set before
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  Speaker 3: the pain could kick in. If it was going, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, we better do this real quick for the
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  Speaker 3: brain catches up to what's actually happened here.
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  Speaker 1: What's your other worst other than that fucking tragedy? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we alerted everyone. What's your other worst injury
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  Speaker 1: in the gym?
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  Speaker 3: I know, I can't remember, I.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I know.
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  Speaker 3: They're always bar bells, and it's all I remember holding
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  Speaker 3: a barbell and then maybe smashing it between that and
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  Speaker 3: something else.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want me to give you a snapshot. We'll
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  Speaker 1: come to Patrick, but that'll be like tearing his leotard
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 2: But I can say it was at your gym by
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  Speaker 2: the way.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well I want to I want to know that.
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  Speaker 1: So I've well, I've had a few I've ruptured discs
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  Speaker 1: in the gym where then I was on the floor
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  Speaker 1: and I couldn't stand up and off at a gym. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: how do you remember that? Do you know that story? Tip?
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  Speaker 3: It's ringing a slight bell, but I.
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  Speaker 1: Think I never think of it unless Patrick brings it up.
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  Speaker 3: After that. I want you to tell the story you
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  Speaker 3: told me at the gym yesterday. Ironically, the injury. The
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  Speaker 3: story of the injury must have prompted me to want
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  Speaker 3: to better it.
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  Speaker 1: What was the one?
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  Speaker 3: Was the cable snapping injury?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that was low on that. But I was
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  Speaker 1: doing Patrick, I was doing lap pools, so everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: where you pull it down to the top of your chest.
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  Speaker 1: You see that it works your back. But if you
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  Speaker 1: want to work more rhomboids and rear delts, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of more in closer into the spine rather than lats,
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  Speaker 1: which of those big Superman things that happened below your armpits.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway you pull the you pull the bar more towards
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  Speaker 1: your nose, right, So anyway, I was doing that with
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  Speaker 1: the stack which is one hundred kilos, so I'm holding
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  Speaker 1: it wide grip, so kind of old with grip. And
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  Speaker 1: as I was maybe I was on one of my
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  Speaker 1: last few reps. There might have been a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of sloppy form. And as I yanked on the bar,
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  Speaker 1: the cable broke and I pulled the bar into my
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  Speaker 1: face at three hundred miles an hour, so that broke
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  Speaker 1: my nose and that was good. So I'm up there.
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  Speaker 1: I work in the gym. I didn't own this gym.
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  Speaker 1: I work in the gym. I'm hemorrhaging all over the floor,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to look like I'm not in pain,
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  Speaker 1: which I was in all the pain. And everyone's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, you're right. You're right, because the because
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  Speaker 1: the weight stack fell from about a meter high and
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  Speaker 1: just plummeted. Look at Patrick looking at his phone while
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling this, great sir, I'm trying to don't you
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  Speaker 1: hate that? Look at you freezing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so cold. I was subtly trying to remote control.
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  Speaker 2: And look, have you.
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  Speaker 1: Not learned anything about communication or social interaction? Nothing? You know?
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  Speaker 1: When you look and the person you're telling the story
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  Speaker 1: to is looking down at their.
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  Speaker 2: Phone, You're like, oh, fuck this. I won't get through
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  Speaker 2: this whole friggin podcast if I'm freezing to death.
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  Speaker 1: Oh move, fucking boo. Fucking hell, let's take up an
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  Speaker 1: offering for Patrick. Everyone, if you could just get your purses.
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  Speaker 2: Out, your cable snapped, you fell backwards, you cried like
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  Speaker 2: a baby.
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  Speaker 1: I heard it all. Oh yeah, but you've been cold.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big story though. Fucking hell, it's a meaning.
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  Speaker 1: And now everyone you know what I'm talking about. We
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  Speaker 1: don't really talk about tech it all t If you're
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  Speaker 1: putting your hand up like you're an eight year old
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  Speaker 1: in school, can I help you?
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  Speaker 3: Because I've been thinking about this for twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 3: When did you have cable PTSD? Was it hard to
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  Speaker 3: then trust the next set of cable exercises you were?
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  Speaker 1: It is a very pertinent and good question. I did
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of cable checking from then on. It
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  Speaker 1: was some scrutinization of the cable so I could ensure
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  Speaker 1: they weren't frayed because it's not a cable. It's one
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  Speaker 1: kind of big cable made up of a lot of cables,
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  Speaker 1: and they fray and but anyway, but my worst all
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  Speaker 1: time is a bloke at actually but not to say
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  Speaker 1: what Jim, but Jim, I was working out when I
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  Speaker 1: was very young, and he there's a bar or or
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  Speaker 1: a bench called a decline bench press, which is exactly
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  Speaker 1: what it sounds like, so not flat, not incline, so
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  Speaker 1: it slopes downwards and you lie downhill essentially your knees
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  Speaker 1: are higher than your shoulders, and then you lift the
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  Speaker 1: bar off and bibbity bobby boo. You do it almost
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  Speaker 1: like an upside down bench. Anyway, this kid snuck into
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  Speaker 1: the gym. He was probably fifteen. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: he got in. I guess he just walked past reception
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  Speaker 1: when somebody wasn't watching him or whatever. But anyway, he
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  Speaker 1: tried to get it well. He got in without paying.
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  Speaker 1: Then he went up into the gym and he put
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  Speaker 1: his foot on this decline bench and he grabbed he
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  Speaker 1: kind of put his hand on the bar, and then
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  Speaker 1: putting his hand on the bar, he pulled it off
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  Speaker 1: the rack. And so it had I think it had
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  Speaker 1: twenty k's and twenty k's, so sixty k's and his
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  Speaker 1: foot was on the bench and it fell laterally across
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  Speaker 1: his tib and fib and broke both so lower leg bones. Everyone.
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  Speaker 1: It broke both bones, compound, fracture out the skin. So
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  Speaker 1: he was in all sorts and I mean, and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know, and then I get some kids that this
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  Speaker 1: was upstairs. I was downstairs, tearing down the stairs, going
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  Speaker 1: you gotta come upstairs, you got to go on the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: And I go up and there's I won't describe it,
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  Speaker 1: but you can. And I kind of described it a bit.
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  Speaker 3: But what I saw this actually makes me feel a
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  Speaker 3: bit hot bloozy thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you one which is less crazy but still confronting.
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  Speaker 1: I was working a gym called Ringwood Supergym on Maroonda
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  Speaker 1: Highway one hundred years ago. It's not there anymore, but
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  Speaker 1: at the time it was the biggest gym in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: forty four thousand square feet. Used to be the old
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  Speaker 1: Ringwood ice skating rink. And I was putting a brand
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  Speaker 1: newie through an assessment. Put him through his assessment. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he signed all the bits and pieces. He was young,
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  Speaker 1: he was like twenty five maybe, and I put him
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  Speaker 1: on the hyper extension or the back extension and he
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  Speaker 1: went down as in, you know, his upper body went
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  Speaker 1: down towards the ground, so from horizontal to vertical, and
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  Speaker 1: he didn't come up. And I'm talking to him and
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  Speaker 1: he was just at the bottom and I'm talking to
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  Speaker 1: him and he didn't come up, and so I get
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  Speaker 1: underneath and I look at his face and his eyes
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  Speaker 1: are back in his head and he's just got foam
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  Speaker 1: coming out of his mouth, and I'm like, goodie, oh good.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I got him off and you know, did
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  Speaker 1: all the things, and he was an epileptic and he
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  Speaker 1: didn't know. So that was his first ever seizure, which
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  Speaker 1: I somehow helped along with, you know. So yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: well the crab died in the gym. I had a
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  Speaker 1: bloke who almost died in the pool that I had
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  Speaker 1: to do CPR on like a long time. In gym's
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  Speaker 1: like there's there's even if it's one thing a year,
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  Speaker 1: it's still like thirty things, do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Or forty things. So I feel, all right, let's hear
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  Speaker 1: about your gym injury, mate, better be good.
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  Speaker 2: I was with you or one of your trainers, and
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  Speaker 2: I must have been doing parallel curl or something I
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  Speaker 2: don't know and bringing them down. But at one point
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  Speaker 2: they were getting heavier and I brought them in front
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  Speaker 2: of me and I forgot I was wearing box of shorts.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and you hit yourself in the sausage. Yeah, bruised badly? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: did you get a testicular injury?
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  Speaker 2: Or just a no that it was enough? Wow, I
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  Speaker 2: like to stop that exercise at that time.
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  Speaker 1: See if you don't have to navigate that, it's a blessing.
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  Speaker 1: I could say so many funny things. Now it makes
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  Speaker 1: a great real.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry shorts into the when you're doing those sorts of exercisense.
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  Speaker 1: I've never worn box of shorts. I don't really get
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  Speaker 1: the point, Like, what's going to support you junk?
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  Speaker 2: Well that's the whole idea. Yeah, exactly, Wow, very liberating.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit like going connecting.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just yeah, I don't know, and without
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  Speaker 1: the skin marks. If anyone knows that, go to the
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  Speaker 1: typ Facebook page gent tellus. I could google it, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: or fucking ai it.
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  Speaker 2: But one of you suggested that it's better for you
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  Speaker 2: because you are not restricting everything and increasing the temperature
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  Speaker 2: of something that should be external is not a good
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  Speaker 2: thing for your you know, reproductive.
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  Speaker 1: Well they are onto something there is that So there's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want your your test I cales and your
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  Speaker 1: pins and the.
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  Speaker 3: Two blokes that never had any intention to reproduce.
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  Speaker 1: But but you still can keep your snuggets fucking healthy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're still. Like there's a guy that we've had on
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  Speaker 1: a bunch called Lucas Owen or it's kind of aon,
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  Speaker 1: but he calls. He just says, say Owen, and he
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  Speaker 1: talks a lot about putting your balls in ice. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like like a I don't know, like a breakfast bowl
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  Speaker 1: size of ice and water and just straddling something and
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  Speaker 1: putting the old fucking package in and the multitude of benefits.
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  Speaker 2: Why I would, oh, Craig, why breakfast ball explained, well
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  Speaker 2: about that size.
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  Speaker 1: That you don't eat your breakfast down. Well, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I use just before I my wheedies, So it's like weed.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the freezer overnight and then you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to worry about doubling up.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's good. I could just dip him in my brecky. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How was breakfast? Well it was a bit pubic, but
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  Speaker 1: you know there was lots of protein. So you don't
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  Speaker 1: get this quality of conversation on Joe Rogan, do you?
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  Speaker 1: I mean fucking hell and everyone whose sides just split,
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  Speaker 1: go get yourself a needle and thread. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about AI and digital interactivity. So new AI tools
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  Speaker 1: allow readers to talk directly to ebooks. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: So what they're doing is if they're using AI to
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  Speaker 2: enhance the story, so that if you had a character
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  Speaker 2: in your story, it would it would talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: You could ask the character questions.
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  Speaker 2: So it enhances that whole listening experience or reading experience,
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  Speaker 2: and it just creates the character in more depth and
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  Speaker 2: you can have a conversation with your book.
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  Speaker 1: Say I'm listening to the gray Man, who's one of
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  Speaker 1: the world's best bloody assassins and X Seal Team six
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  Speaker 1: operator or whatever he was, and he's doing a mission.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just go, so, mate, what are you wearing
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  Speaker 1: at the moment? What protective gear have you got on?
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  Speaker 1: And he'll tell me. Is that what you're saying? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, It'll create a character out of the main character
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  Speaker 2: in the book.
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  Speaker 1: How interesting would that be though?
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  Speaker 2: Particularly I was thinking the Magic Far Away Tree myself,
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  Speaker 2: But you know it works, Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And what's your all time? And don't tell me three?
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  Speaker 1: If you had to pick one, Tiff, you're the same.
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  Speaker 1: I know you've only read four books and three of
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  Speaker 1: them have me and doctor Seuss. But what's your I'm
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  Speaker 1: joking everyone, I'm not picking on tiff Patrick. All time favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Book maybe Dune by Frank Herbert.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's super duper popular. Can you I've never read it?
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  Speaker 1: Can you give me the thirty second synopsis? And our listeners?
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  Speaker 1: Is that like saying, can you summarize world history in
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  Speaker 1: thirty second? Exactly? What was made out of a movie?
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  Speaker 2: And it was Timothay Schalla May in it. But that's
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  Speaker 2: it now, June. It's about a ruling kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: sci fi start without Yeah, it's sci fi.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And there's one planet in the universe where they make
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  Speaker 2: what they call the spice and it allows intergalactic travels.
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  Speaker 2: So this one planet is the stronghold of all of
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  Speaker 2: how people can move around the entire universe. So one
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  Speaker 2: family gets moved there to rain, but they basically get
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  Speaker 2: killed off. And this one character who then becomes you know,
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  Speaker 2: comes back from oblivion and it's he becomes the basically
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  Speaker 2: the messiah.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Wow, Okay, tip you favorite book?
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  Speaker 3: Are we talking fiction books or any books?
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  Speaker 1: We're talking book? It could be the Bible, it could
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  Speaker 1: be Daffy Duck doesn't matter book.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's hard. Did I forget them? But I
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  Speaker 3: raved a lot about Also The Heart and I read
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  Speaker 3: that a few times by Brene Brown, and also What
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  Speaker 3: Happened by Doctor bus Perry and Oprah Winfrey. That was
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  Speaker 3: I read that a few times too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Great, Yeah. So I've never read fiction in my
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  Speaker 1: life till about a year ago, and then I jumped
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  Speaker 1: on the fiction bandwagon, just listening to stuff instead of podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: But in terms of the book, that without being weird,
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  Speaker 1: like I grew up reading the Bible, so that's had
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  Speaker 1: an impact. But just in terms of general books, there's
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  Speaker 1: a book called The forty eight Laws of Power, which
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  Speaker 1: is sounds sinister and it really isn't, but it's by
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  Speaker 1: Robert L. Green, and it's it's my favorite book just
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  Speaker 1: because it talks about how people control and manipulate and
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  Speaker 1: operationalize power for good and bad. And it tells all
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  Speaker 1: these great stories of ancient wars and warriors and women
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  Speaker 1: and men, and you know, it's and then the kind
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  Speaker 1: of the wisdom and the insight and information come out
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  Speaker 1: of the stories. And there's a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 1: like there's forty eight chapters because there's forty eight laws,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's really readable, and there's a big version
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  Speaker 1: and a kind of almost like a pocketbook version. I
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  Speaker 1: would start with a pocketbook, but you know, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: understanding how people work, which is my passion anyway. But
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  Speaker 1: that's that almost triggered my fascination, if not did trigger
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  Speaker 1: with human behavior and psychology and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, you said you've just started fiction.
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  Speaker 1: Do you like action? So I really like the gray
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  Speaker 1: Man series. But that's just that's without being sexist. I
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  Speaker 1: would think more men than women would like that. There's
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  Speaker 1: a really good, well not fiction, but a really good
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  Speaker 1: I think Tiff might have read it. It's by a
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  Speaker 1: guy called Adam Alter, which is called Drunk Tank Pink,
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  Speaker 1: which is a fucking great book. And then the other
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  Speaker 1: very well known Malcolm Gladwell Blink is a fucking amazing book.
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  Speaker 1: But there is one book that just captivated me, and
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  Speaker 1: it's about a Patrick. You would love this book, Tiff.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd like it to Patrick. I think you
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  Speaker 1: would love it's it's I think it's called Unsaved and
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  Speaker 1: it was by this girl lady who was raised in
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a cult, and I mean I think it was Westboro Baptist,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you know, those people that have all the placards out
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Anyway, so she grew up in the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: cultiest of cults, and it's her story about liberal herself
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: from that and what it was like living there, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely fascinating. Yeah. I think I listened to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: it in two days and it's like fucking sixteen hours
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Is it Ian Banks?
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Does that ring? No, think that's that. I think it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: called Unsaved. I'll find out before the end of the show, anyway.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Tell me that. And I did listen to it on audible,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and I feel like it's not Unsaved, but I can't recall.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's a similar title but different. I'm
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: trying to find it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: All right, among the Unsaved? Does that sud okay?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: All right? But yeah, so yeah, I'm quite a But
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the funny thing with me is, which is I don't
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: think this is a strength. That's probably I don't know
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: if it's a weakness, but I get really moved by
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: things that like books. I'm like, right, that's it. I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: going to go and climb the fucking Himalayas. That's what
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I'm doing. Or I'm going to become a special operator
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Tier one and I'm going to kill bad people. And
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I get I really buy into it, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, right, that's it. I'm going to start
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: trafficking drugs, you know whatever, and it's I'm not by
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the way everyone, but yeah, you two have a chat
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: if you start off on the first one or two,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to find this thing. So I'll be
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: quiet if you're a charge if you.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Use AI a fair bit, right, Yeah I do, Yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I do. And especially lately I've been I've been using
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: jumped over it from chatters to claude and I bounce
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: between the two. It really really good.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: This is an interesting article I was reading in called
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Daily Trends and Young People. So jen z, they're turning
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to ALI chatbots and to actually become their conversation coaches
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: for social interactions. Oh wow, in the middle of dialogue.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: So research was done in the United States and at
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: twenty percent of Americans aged eighteen to twenty nine I've
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: used AI chatbots for emotional support, intrapersonal advice, and then
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: another survey indicated about thirteen percent have they basically disclosed
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: personal secrets to their AI, and some of them will
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: use AI in the middle of a chat to try
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to work out the best way to respond.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, do you know what I've been
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: using chat for lately? This is a bit probably tm
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I maybe for you blokes. But every night I do
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: like a diary tracking so sleep, energy, but all related
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: to my cycle. So and it's brilliant because I don't
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: have a great memory for kind of going like just
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: tracking behaviors or habits like that. So it's really amazing
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: because obviously I'm on HRT, I've been I've been in
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: fixing an eye and efficient see a whole range of things,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: and it's just interesting to look at how my energy,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: my recovery, my nutrition, and it gives me a really
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: great overview of any patterns that it picks up that
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: could be missed.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So good, that's great. It's teaching you more about yourself.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And you can buy AI devices, say like a keychain,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: or you can wear them as a necklace and they
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: will monitor every conversation you've had for the whole day
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and then give you a summary at the end of
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the day. So I spoke to Craig about this, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: then I spoke to tip about this. Do those conversations
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: link and it will summarize your entire It's basically outsourcing
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: your memory, isn't it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: But with that, are there any legal issues? Like are
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you allowed to be recording? You have to doxations with
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: other people?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to let people know, wouldn't you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: It's a bit like the smart glasses that are causing
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: all the controversy. You can record people the perv glasses,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you know, glass holes.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're creepy.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what you two are doing? Very good? All right?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: So the book is called Unfollow and the author is
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Megan Phelps p h E. LPs Dash Roper, hyphen Roper,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Megan Phelps Roper. The book is called Unfollow if you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: choose to I was like, I'm lazy now. I hardly
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: ever read books physically, I listened to them, But I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: would love any of our listeners to listen to read
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that book and then hit me up on or hit
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: us up on the typ Facebook page, and I'd love
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to get a group conversation around it because it's so
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: she's yeah, the unfollowers, She's gone from becoming the most
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: strict down the rabbit hole cultish follower of this man
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: who created this cult to extricating herself from this brainwashing vehicle.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And she's so brave and so clever because imagine that
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: your whole world is this thing. But you realize this
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: whole world is bullshit, if not evil masquerading as good.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And then you've got to figure out, you know, your mum,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: your dad, your siblings, your friends, you've got to figure
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: out how to extricate yourself from that while not being
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: found out. Fucking fascinating anyway, you can keep going, Tiff
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and Patrick, You're going great, Patrick Plea, I'm just going
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to jump in the bloody beata talking about AI.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: This is the one in Queensland at the moment. They're
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: going to use AI to power traffic lights to try
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: to optimize road flow. So this is not just using
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: a tracking system but using smart AI to just look
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: what's happening on the roads. Have you ever been in
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a situation where're at a bloody red light, no one's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: coming and you're just sitting there.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So I would fix that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And I guess if there's heavy traffic flow at different
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: So if it's say school times and all the traffics
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: coming from the local school, it would then regulate the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: flow of traffic that way. So it seems like a
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: good idea until AI takes over the world and then
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: crashes everybody.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: But what do you reckon? I think it's pretty good, tif.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I think it's very good too.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could see that being really useful.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, as AI gets used more and more, it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: like any tool that we use, you know, good and bad.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, if it's because another thing that's happening at
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the moment. I think in Western Australia they're using smart
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: cameras and AI to track people. So as police cars drive,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: they're tracking people walking down the street and looking for purpose,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: looking for people who may be criminals or people have
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: outstanding warrants, and then they can pull them over and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: grab them. But that worries me that you're constantly being
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: under surveillance every time a police car went past.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I reckon that. I think you were a perp in
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that two thousand dollars hood, you mate, They're like that
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: vagrant stole that for sure, I did it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going through about twenty five bucks on eBay and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: basically brand new How good is that?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Hey? Basically brand new? Hay tiff. If the zip is
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: on the other side, does that mean it's a chicks top.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I heard that recently because I had because I had,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I had a jacket that had a zip on the
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: other side and zip on the wrong side.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's an American thing. I don't know, or I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, maybe it's built for left handers. Maybe
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it's a left handed jacket. Cool, that's why I didn't sell.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I bought it for so cheap because
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it was a left handed jacket.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm a right hand I think in the old days
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you might be right like I think. I don't know
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: if that's still a thing, but that is. It is funny.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I just read that traffic light thing. I'm with you Patrick, like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: why don't they just that? Why has that not been
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: done already? That can't be, Like, surely there are senses.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: It can see that there's no one coming the other
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: way forever and you're sitting at the lights. I think
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: if that gets put into operation, that would be a
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: positive for sure.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I've been using some more advanced features with Gemini, So
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Gemini is the Google Smart feature. Because I use so
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: much in the Google ecosystem, I've been upgraded to the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: more advanced AI model. But it's got some really, I mean, I.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Was that a humble brag tif I do.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Believe it was.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I just paid for it. It's nothing braggy about it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So you didn't get upgraded. You paid. I paid for it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You said I've been upgraded. No, well they demo anyway. Sorry,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get clear about whether or not
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you were upgraded or you just bought another thing. You
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: pay enough, then they say, hey, look, because you pay
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: so much, we're going to give you this, and you
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: feel but I think that's called a sales pitch, non upgrade.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: You're probably were right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Fuck and I got upgraded. No, you didn't know. If
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you're in economy and they go, hey mate, do you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: want to sit in business, that's an upgrade. But when
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Google reaches out and go we'd like more of your money.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Do you want to buy this, that's not an upgrade.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. No.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I paid all that money first, and then they offered
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: it to me.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Oh that's even better. Oh that is funny. O and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: tell us about Google Gemini's memory feature.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It's called personal intelligence, so you wouldn't know anything about it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: But tip might anyway. What you can do is you
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: cann therapy for me. What you can do is you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: can get.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It to track things like where you put your keys,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: ah and stuff like that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Isn't that?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But then when you're rushing out of the house, do
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you think, oh crap, where did I put that? You say, Hey, Google,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: where do I put my keys? No problems?
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Just over there?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: We're outsourcing out. We're outsourcing our thinking to everything, aren't we. Like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you don't need memory anymore, don't worry about it. Just
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: leave shit everywhere. Let's hope your phone doesn't go flat
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: or you're fucked. You won't be able to feed yourself.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to new electronic door lock.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: If that goes flat unlocked in.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: The house, No, it's not really, it's got to latch
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: on it as well. But the g it's good because
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I just use my fingerprint, or I can ask Google
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: to open the door for me. Or if I'm in
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: bed at night and I think did I lock the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: front door? I just say, hate Google, lock the front door,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and it.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Just for me, And then everything's just the hacking side
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of things gets a bit one. The ability for things
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to be hacked. And two when shit breaks down, then
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: we're even less capable of, like what are we going
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: to do with the lights when AI shuts down and
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: we all can't figure out the rules of engagement at
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the traffic intersection.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell you this really funny story.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Someone said to me. I was showing them my Google
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Home smart features turning lights on and all that sort
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: of stuff, and.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: The person said to me, what happened? Just the power
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: goes out.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You can't turn your lights on, you dickuts of my
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: lights on switch or Google.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: That person's definitely outsourced there thinking to AI, Yeah.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cutty, but no, it's a valid point when
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you start to rely on this sort of sort of tech.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: But it also is you know the particular camera door
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: lock called UFI. I got that because there's no subscription
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: to be able to use the features, because a lot
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of smart technology you pay more for the features that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you want, recording camera. But what I liked about this
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: is they have bank level encryption built into the device,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: so if you put your fingerprint reader in. If you
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: put your fingerprint in, it's saved to the device, not
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the cloud. And then if someone was to steal it,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: they won't be able to get that information out of
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the device.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: So that was also another big sell for me.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And because I have people coming and going, you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: staff that come to my home, it's great being able
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: to just give them a pin number and then I
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: can see when someone's coming in or gone because they've
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: used the pin to come in, which is really handy.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And also speaking of things that are hackable, you can't
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: hack a nine to seventy six Kingswood, but you can
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: hack all the electric cars that are on the road
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: because they're all basically computers, and there are and I,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't have any data or evidence, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: so I'm saying that upfront. But apparently not a small
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: amount of people who the government didn't want around or
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: someone didn't want around, have mysteriously died as their car
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: accelerated into a corner at nine hundred miles or an hour.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: And these people who had no suicidal ideations, they were
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: doing their thing, they were happy, but they were doing
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: shit that people didn't want done. So it scares me
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: having a car, which is essentially a computer. If it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a computer, it can be hacked, and the computer controls
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: everything from acceleration to breaking, to air temperature to steering
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to Yeah, that scares me. Not that I think I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: going to be a target of the government. Although after
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: this conversation, if I'm not here for next week step
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: well you know, yeah, I don't know. Shit like that,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I don't worry about. But I'm like, hmm, that's as
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: we hand over more and more control, which we're doing
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to not just technology, but you know, different bodies, government, etc.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm not anti government. I think the government do
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: some good shits, some not so good ship but yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: something too, there's something to have a sleepless night over everybody.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But when you say about storing data, I actually have
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a lot more confidence in the government holding onto my
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: personal data than private enterprise because the government, at least
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: there's oversight and laws, whereas when you've got someone like Zuckerberg,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: what the hell you know? And it's craziness there we're
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: giving all this information. It's private companies. I'm much more
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: comfortable with the government knowing my business.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Hm. Nah, nah, You've got to remember, right, what's who
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: runs the government? Humans? Humans are selfish humans. You think politicians,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you think their priority is the well being of everyone else?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Fuck off? Have you seen them? Have you seen them?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I don't even know him, but I got introduced to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: him last night and the news the new premiere, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like your energy, your vibe. And again
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: this is a personal opinion. I could be the problem.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Put up my hand, no worries, but I'm like, I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: want to see compassion in people, like real compassion. I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: want to see real care. I want like I think,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: if you're a politician, or you know, anyone in that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: kind of powerful position, if your priority is not the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: people you serve, you're not the person I want. It
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter who. And I just don't. All I see
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: is people arguing with other people and the group belittling
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that group, and vice versa. And that's what seems to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: take up most of the public oxygen in terms of media,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: is just people shitcanning each other. These are the leaders,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: these are the role models, These are the people who
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: are operating in our best interest. I don't think so.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I think the problem with politics is it attracts politicians.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: There is a certain type, you know what I mean. Ultimately,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: maybe it should be a lottery, and I think we
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: should trust slowly beavers. If it's an individual or a group,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I will trust them when they've proven to be trustworthy,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: and that's it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm not what's the word, I'm not negative about that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just practical. I've trusted lots of people that turned
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: out to be not trustworthy and you go, oh, okay,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I got that wrong. So I think, you know, without
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: being cynical or sinister, you know, when you realize that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: someone is genuinely worth trust and trustworthy, then trust them.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: But before that doesn't mean you don't trust them. It
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: just means you're sitting on the fence trying to gather information.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: That's just how my brain, my brain works.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: It takes me back to our conversation yesterday with Bobby
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: on your research where we got to the top. The
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: most capable people out of your research with metaperception were
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: your sociopaths and psychopaths.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So now, always no, no, no, no, that's wrong, but
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you're kind of wrong.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: There was a component we were discussing where that where
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the people that were naturally better at it. There was
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: a correlation. So if there is a correlation there, then
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the people that are going to rise to the top
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: and stuff like this, we're going to be those people.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right in that sociopaths can be let's say
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that not causation correlation, but they can definitely And you're right. Tips.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So if you can read people and read rooms and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: understand how they think and fit, and you can manufacture
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: fake empathy that looks real and concern that isn't concerned
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: but looks real, and you can read a person emotionally, physiologically, psychologically, sociologically,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and you're a bad person. Now you can manipulate them.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, these people that and some of the most charismatic, charming, intelligent,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: good looking people are fucking pricks, that's the truth. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: some are gorgeous and awesome. Patrick, There's two little red
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: flags for me.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: First red flag is career politician. I reckon, no one
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: should be allowed to be a career politician. They have
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: to have lived in the real world first before they
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: get into politics. So that was the first red flag.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: And this happens in teaching a lot. People go to university.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: They I used to give a lecture on working in
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: radio journalism, and I'd go out to Federation University and
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: just talk to.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Their journalism student.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: But there were people lecturing there who had gone from
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: school to university, did journalism and then got invited to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: go back and teach. They never worked in the media.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's the same in all fields. Like when
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I did exercise science one hundred years ago, there were
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: people who were teaching exercise programming who had never programmed exercise.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: They'd never taught in a gym, they'd never worked with
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: an athlete, that never actually coached anyone in the physical space.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And then so when it came to doing something so
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: fundamental like teaching a deadlift or a squat, they couldn't,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you know. So it's and that's not I mean, their
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: theoretical knowledge of anatomy, physiology, etc. Was outstanding, but they
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: couldn't teach you how to do a deadlift, you know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So there's I think that exists everywhere. Yeah, so I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: think I've told this story, but I'll be brief. So
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I got asked when I was in my second year
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of my own course, or that course. We were doing
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: advanced Exercise Programming, and I'd already written the first course
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: for personal trainers and with my friend Tara and all
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the stuff. So I was thirty six. I already had
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: eighteen years of hands on in the field, face to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: face on the gym floor experience before this time, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the UNI asked me to teach that semester because I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: had more knowledge, practical knowledge than the lecturers who did
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: not and had never worked in that space. So and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: it was actually very it was very amicable and nice,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and they just went, well, this is what you I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: was already teaching that in VIC fit and Fitness Instructor
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and personal trainer courses, so it was what I did
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: every week anyway. But yeah, you're exactly right, Patrick. I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: think there needs to be real world, world hands on experience,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: no matter what they feel.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm totally digressing here. This really interests me. Have
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: you ever thought of donating any part of your body
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to science?
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Ah?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they can have whatever the fuck they want.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: They can have. I probably wouldn't take my eyes because
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: they're shit, but I could just I could make this
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: bit so funny, but I'm not going to, but yes
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I would be. I would be happy for I don't care,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like once I'm dead, that's not me. That's just a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: piece of meat. Yeah, hardly at use? What's that? Hardly
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: any use? Yeah? Very low miles live. I must be
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: fucking outstanding. Yeah, I think my heart's not. Yeah, I
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: think yeah, So yes, I would, and I will. I will.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I haven't done that, but I will do that. That's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a good point you. I'm on the organ DONA registry.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Are I'm happy for any part of my body to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: be used by anyone, what, by anybody else if I
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: don't need it anymore, I think that would be That.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Would be great.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: However, what dictates what then happens to that donated body part?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Because there's an article in Nature that talked about brain
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: samples of people's brains being used to build biocomputers. They
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: call them brain organoids, and they kind of sit on
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a platform of silicon.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And they are grown.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: So the original source cells are then grown and they
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: use them and they're trying to build computers.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And they process faster.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: But they also have two features that other technology needs
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: two separate entities for, So they have memory and processing
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: power built in, and at the moment, computers can't do that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: This is these human cells can do both.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: But people who are donating the tissue aren't being told
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that's what it's being used for.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is I've never thought of that. That is
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: a very good topic to dive into. Yeah, Like when
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I think about that, I think about someone who needs
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a kidney getting my kidney, or somebody who needs a
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: heart getting my heart. That is that's worth it, gone, Tiff.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Have either of you been to the Body World's exhibition
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: many years ago when a few months ago? It's incredible.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: That's full on, isn't it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I would want to be
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: encased in whatever they encase them in, and you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: with my skin peeled back and all, I mean I should.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Can I get you to explain what that is, Tiff?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: For those people who may not know what the exhibition is.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's an exhibition on the human body, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: every everything in it is actual human body. Human Yeah,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: human body that's been preserved. So they've got full bodies,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: they've got muscles, ligaments, they've got the brain doing different
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: activities too. Like they're in big glass cases. You go
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: into one part, there's two of them shagging not to
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: take photos in that room. But it is fascinating because
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: you and what I loved about the exhibition, the one
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: I went to was themed the DNA of Happiness so
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: it's got these beautiful philosophies written up in each room,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: just around happiness and life. And it's like that coupled
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: with looking at these parts of the human body you
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: never get to see. It was just fascinating when you do.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Human movement or whatever they want to call it, exoscience
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: phizzeds all in the same wheelhouse. Not at all Unis,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: but at a lot of unis. You do what's called
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a wet wet lab. Do you know what that is? Stiff?
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I can guess it's coming, So.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: You go in and it depends. Sometimes there's like, here's
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a body, cut it up. We didn't have that. We
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: had where we went into a lab and it was
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: just a human, like a full human already kind of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: cut up. So there's the chet, there's that everything, head toes, feet,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: fucking everything. And my lecturer, I won't say his name.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I actually liked him, good guy, but he probably misjudged
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: something this one day anyway, So you know when you
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: walk in and you've never seen a dead body. Obviously
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: it's for some people they're okay with it. Some people,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: oh this is a bit oh, but I'll still eat
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: my lunch. And then there's are other people who are
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: like fucking freaked out and just like literally got their
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: fingers over their eyes and kind of just looking through
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the cracks. Anyway, there was one girl who, one young lady,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I guess we were nineteen at this stage. She was
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like not digging it at all, and he was trying
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: to get her okay, He's like, oh no, it's all
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: da data, and he picked up a hand up to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the was hand wrist, a little bit of forearm, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: he threw it to her God, which he definitely should
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: not have done for a multitude of reasons. So she fainted.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: She slid out of her chair onto the floor and fainted.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Then we had to retrieve that, and I'm like, oh,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and I just looked at him because I'm older than
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: all the other students, I'm like, oh, bro, that that
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: could be you done. Like, I'm so glad there weren't
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: iPhones then for him because he would have been fucked.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: But anyway, now.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: You get to dissect him. I think it was year
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: ten where we got to do in science dissecting. We
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: didn't get to do it because our class was too naughty,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: so I never got to experience that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm shocked knowing that you were probably the fucking
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: ring leader. Yeah, Patrick, take us wherever you want to
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: take us, my friend, we got fifteen.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is an interesting one. It's kind of on
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the same track as what we were talking about, a
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: brain interface. So China has gone ahead with this because
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk had the brain interface and they're talking about
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: designing an interface that plugs.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Into your brain.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And they're doing this in China for people who have
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: C two to see six spinal cord injuries. So what
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: that effectively means is people you know, are paralyzed and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: they the device sits on the Now you'd know about
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: this crago, the dura mater layer of the brain.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we know. So just for everyone C two
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: to see six is so if you go right up
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: to the base of the back of your skull, that's
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: C one. So there are seven cervical vertebrae one seven,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: there are twelve thoracic vertebrae middle back, and then five
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: lumber vertebrae and then your sacrum. So if you get
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a break in pretty much anywhere in the neck, you're
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: a quadriplegic, either full or partial. Yeah, and this device
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: is about the size of a coin, and it's being
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: developed in Shanghai at the moment, but it's been given permissions,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: so in China you can get this precede. You're done,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and they will install this in your brain and it will,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: they believe, restore movement for people who have that sort
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: of injury. I've always thought about that, mate. That is
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: so interesting because let's say between let's say C two
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and C five, right, those two, three, four, five, those
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: four vertebrae, Like there's no connection, there's no power getting
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: through the cord, so to speak. But if you could
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: bypass from C two down to C six or whatever,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: now you have a constant flow of for want of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: better term, you know, power or connection or energy. There's
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: because everything below that injury still works. It just isn't
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: plugged in, you know. So that's fascinating, it is, isn't it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And we're going to see more and more of this
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: because this is a really big field of research.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: It's amazing stuff. Yeah, you do you feel.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Like you have control over your security and your computer
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: and I mean because there's so many data breaches at
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the moment and we keep hearing this, you know, origin energy,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: the Power Company nine hundred thousand customers data has been revealed,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: and I guess, you know, where do we go with that?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: If we're part of a data breach.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: You know, if you had this personal experience of having
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: you know, some of your data of being.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Hacked, haven't you?
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a world of hurt for you
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: because you then had to get everything, reissue, change all
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: your past.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: So they hacked my email and my drop box. They
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: sent hundreds of emails out with a link of something
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: they'd saved in my drop box. They'd locked me out
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: of my own drop box login. But upon finally getting
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: access again and transferring my files back, I realized I
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: had all of copies of all of my IDs in
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: my drop box.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: So I had to get new passport, new license, new
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: bank statement, like new hair. Just yeah. It was super stressful.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: And I thought if they stumbled across that they've at
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the jackpot.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love you. Oh yeah, you're like the lady
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: who put all a dough in the cookie jar above
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: the stove and they walked straight in the front door
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of the cookie jar.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: But I'm not still not super vigilant because I find
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: it so overwhelming generny insecure passwords. My computer flags to me.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, look, I can't remember them.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Actually get cookie jar and just put down cookie dough.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Oh I see what you did there. That's beautiful. Wow,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that's elephant stamp for you. Uh yeah, I don't. I'm
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I should be more vigilant, but I don't need to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: be because I have a Melissa who's paranoid. She's like,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: she makes up. Yeah, she makes up because she runs
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: that show all my she's probably skimming it. She's probably
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: ripping me off. And I don't know. At least she's friendly.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: You know, she's probably got a cap in a house
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: in Yeah, she's probably got a house in the Bahamas.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what have I got nine dollars in the bank. Oh,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: it's been a tough year. I'm like, has it? Has it?
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And I nice ear rings? Are they gold? YEA? Diamonds? What? Yeah?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: What?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know? That's a long And why the fuck
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: are you driving a Lamborghini? No? I do not have
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that much money too. Let's go, mate, what do you got?
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: AI has claimed another victim, and the victim of AI
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: is people on budget phones. Okay, I know this is
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I'm painting a picture here. AI is monopolizing all the
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: memory chips in the friggin world, right right, right, man
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: for memory chips is now meaning that the sub one
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars budget phones are not sub one hundred dollars anymore.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: So budget phones are all going up.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: All our phones are going up, all our technology is
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: going up, all our computers are going up.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: And it's bloody AI, bloody AI. Yeah. When he says
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the chips are deer, do you know what that means
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: or not? It does?
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: It annoys me though, because yesterday I had a conversation
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: about I'm now using an old OPO phone I bought
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen because my Samsung antenna shat itself and
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: just doesn't it just drops out a call. So I
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: use both of them, but this one for my phone,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: and I love it now because it's light and I
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: drop it all the time. It's so light it normally
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: doesn't break. But I did crack the screen yesterday, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I thought, if I had to replace this, I'd get another.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: I'd just buy another cheap one of these, because I
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: love it more. It just doesn't have the great camera
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: and the great storage capacity.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah on Monday. Did you get the osolert test on
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: that phone?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: I did. One of them made a noise. I got
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: because they both went off. One of them made a
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: noise and one didn't make much of a noise.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Did you get it? Yeah? I got it on Yeah,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I got it. And what about you? No? No, I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: worked donuts. So world War three comes, I'm just going
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: to be strolling down Hampton to buy some apples, wondering
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: one on one's around. Yeah, I'm like, fuck quiet out, Hey.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: We can get those camp bunks next to each other
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: in the shelter among the where Craig is.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: If you do it, happen to make it.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: You guys can spoon like little weirdos.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Look for those people who didn't get that, I mean
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: it did.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Was a successful test.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: So basically they pinned I think ninety four percent of
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: all mobile phone towers in Australia, and these six percent
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: that weren't pinned were for different reasons. They might have
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: been offline being repaired, but it doesn't mean that every
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: phone would have been pinned. So the model of your phone,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the software that's running it, whether the software is up
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: to date, if it was an old phone will play
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: a big part and whether you got the Olds alert test.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: But again, the reason for the test was to see
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the viability and whether you know and how it was
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: going to function. So I think from that perspective it
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: was successful, but obviously it raised a whole lot of
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: concern for people who don't have phones that are compatible
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: with the system.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Another story that I mean, it's not a big story,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: but interesting to me because I've noticed so many of that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: If I would say, almost all of the Chinese cars
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: byd and the like that are coming out, especially the
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: ones that are higher quality, like competitors for European cars,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: they have flush door handles. Patrick West's a great story. Yeah, so,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: and now China are banning flush door handles do go on.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: The reason they're banning them, and this makes a lot
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: of sense, it's going to come into effect next year,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: is because if the car gets into an accident, all
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: the power goes out, you can't open the door from
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the outside.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's a real problem. And so China's basically saying
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: these cars are not safe. We're putting in legislation to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: ban these cars from being sold in China. And guess what,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: it sounds like we may get a whole lot of
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: them dumped into the Australian mark because China says that
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: are unsafe, but not here in Australia yet, So you
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: may get a cheap car that if you have an
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: accident in the emergency, people can't get into. I mean,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you can still smash the window and drag them out.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I guess, I guess you could. I guess you could.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: That's interesting though, in need that. Yeah, it's interesting that
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: they recognize that and change it, like they do something
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what about if a child's in a car or
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: dogs in a car? I almost smashed someone's window once
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: when they'd parked on a pretty warm day and there
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: was a dog inside the car with that the windows open.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I started to panic and I went to a nearby
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: store to see if I could find something to smash
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: the window with, because it was a pet store. I said,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I need a heavy object. I'm going to smash someone's window.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: And then by the time I got out there, the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: person got back to the car.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: But maybe they wanted a hot dog. Oh. Now, interestingly,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I see you've got a story about Brian Johnson, the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: biohacker extraordinaire, I will before you tell us the story.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: What is astounded me is, so this is this guy
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: is an entrepreneur, so he's independently worth hundreds of millions,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and that's got nothing to do with his biohacking. So
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: he's made lots of dough but he's kind of his
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: obsession is biohacking, which is basically just doing different shit
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: to your body to optimize performance, health, longevity, all those things.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: And then he discovered in the last week or two
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: that he has an illness. Did you know this didn't
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  Speaker 1: about the illness? Yeah, I forget tif. Can you just
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  Speaker 1: google it and see what it is that he's got.
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  Speaker 1: But he's got an illness that you know, is inconsistent
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  Speaker 1: with life. So they're both on their computers. Now, what's
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  Speaker 1: what's kind of blown me away is like, so many
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  Speaker 1: people are happy that he's sick. They're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: fuck you mean, I'm like, how nasty are people? Like
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole group of people that are celebrating the
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  Speaker 1: fact that this guy who's been trying to pioneer different stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Do I like him? I don't dislike him, I don't
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  Speaker 1: love him, But it's irrespective it's just a human being
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  Speaker 1: that got terrible news that he's not well, and there
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  Speaker 1: are tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people kind of
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  Speaker 1: celebrating the fact that this guy got sick. That's what
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  Speaker 1: fucks me off about some people anyway.
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  Speaker 3: What is it called tiff autoimmune gastritis, so chronic autoimmune
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  Speaker 3: disease where the immune system attacks the stomach lining.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's curable. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: just manageable. Yeah yeah, yeah. Now is that going to
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  Speaker 1: fuck up your story about him? Are you going to
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  Speaker 1: feel bad now? No?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I actually quite. I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of jealousy. It's a tall poppy thing, isn't it. People
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  Speaker 2: are probably jealous. They can't spend the Miss Lind dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year trying to keep themselves alive longer, and people
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  Speaker 2: just love to knock people like that down. He's not
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  Speaker 2: hurting anybody, And in fact, all this self experimentation could
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  Speaker 2: be fantastic for us in the future because it could then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in terms of wellness.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing all the testing for us.
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  Speaker 2: But what he's looking at now is basically having his
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  Speaker 2: tissues turned into a clone. He wants to basically grow
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  Speaker 2: a clone of his body and then use those parts.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Now I have an identical twin brother, so I don't
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  Speaker 2: need it. I do have my own clone.
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  Speaker 1: You could just take his kidney or liver.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, exactly, yep, although I think it may be the
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: other way around. At the moment, I think you probably
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: want a piece of me.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yes, well that we all, especially one piece. I
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: want you know what it is? What's the ethical debate there?
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Why did your voice go up high after I spoke
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: about your cock? What was that about? You didn't say
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: did you say anything about still our pie? Get it down?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: That's yeah? There you go, there you go. Could you
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: imagine put your man pants back on? He would never
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: leave the house, would he? What? Greg? I don't worry.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I liked you two more than I like me. Don't
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  Speaker 1: worry about that. And maybe anyway, I would not inflict
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  Speaker 1: another me on the world.
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  Speaker 2: Keep going, Well, what's the ethics of this of producing
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: a clone? Because if you're producing a full body clone,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: don't they then become an individual that has rights rather
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: than using them to be able to harvest for organs?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Oh that is a great question.
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  Speaker 2: Because yeah, my identical twin brother is a clone. I'm
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: a clone of another person. We started off as exactly
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: the same cell. It split off and then we became
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: two separate people. But you know, ethically, if you're going
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: to clone yourself, that that clone actually has right.
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  Speaker 1: So I would have thought, I wonder this is very
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  Speaker 1: me I think about like when we talk about, you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: basically manufacturing a human in a lab, I'm like, do
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: they have a soul? Do they do they? You know
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: all that stuff that I think about it, I'm like, oh,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: or are they just like I don't know, a fucking
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: an item that we built? You know? Yeah, that is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: that is a myriad of scientific, biological, spiritual, ethic, or moral. Yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a fucking I mean, that is a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: good conversation out. Yeah, go on.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I'm all in favor of cloning cells and growing say organs,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: because that would make sense. So you take a cell
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and then you grow that into a heart or lungs
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: or kidneys, and then you retransplant that into you, so
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: you're the donor of your own you know, organ would
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: be fantastic. But yeah, from a full body thing, no,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: that that's a that's a curly one for me, I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: would say definitely, no.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Hey, I've got a thing
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  Speaker 2: Which come today you if they want, you know, but
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: also please give us, give us some feedback if you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: want us to talk about anything in particular, or maybe
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: tell us not to talk about things in particular.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: You know, you are some people's favorite guest really now, yeah,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: one hundred. I get a percent of people, but yeah,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I get regularly told you're their favorite. So you're doing
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: something right. So well done you.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Oh thanks for you too, because you just prop me up.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: That's the good thing. Well. I like these ones because
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I don't have to think too much. I can be
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a passenger. And Tiffany and Cook
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: over there just outperforming both of us. This is housekeeping
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: we don't need on the show. But are you training
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: tonight TV?
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, yes, I believe, So what.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: About your hand, figure it out.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: She's an animal, she's a savage in Amazon. All right,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: let's say goodbye and we might chat off their Thanks everyone,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that changed your life and you're welcome.