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Patriots Unfiltered 4/20: Biggest Draft Fits for New England, Mock Draft Roundup · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: She literally sent him a.
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  Speaker 5: Cold damn like, can you agent yet?
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  Speaker 1: If not, would love to link, And then they connected.
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  Speaker 5: And think about.
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  Speaker 6: How many times guys shoot their shot at you, like
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  Speaker 6: over and over after you've already said no, like continue
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  Speaker 6: to have that same energy.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about quarterbacks, and like Burrow comes up and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's just like he's got the total package.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like becaue covid. I know what, Evan, You've
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  Speaker 2: got your draft guy that you can download. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know why you're giving that away. Why are you just
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  Speaker 2: giving that to people? Everybody else? Like you have to
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  Speaker 5: You know, that's your job. I just do the words.
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  Speaker 2: I was going through the wide receivers and there's a kid,
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  Speaker 2: I think late round from West Virginia. Yeah, I forget
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  Speaker 2: his name that I really like Bryce Ford. Whet that
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  Speaker 2: been it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're just killing you know, We're gonna we'll probably
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  Speaker 7: hit like a trambling park later this week. We're gonna
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  Speaker 7: go to the library today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, great, what's.
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  Speaker 1: The question I would do man, I would do Mayo
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  Speaker 1: on Italian.
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  Speaker 2: Though fred Mayo on an Italian, then it ceases to
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  Speaker 2: be an Italian. It is no longer in a tone,
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  Speaker 2: but it will still be a delicious sandwich.
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  Speaker 6: This is Patriot's Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and we are exactly one week away
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  Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft, and we're all excited. I'm excited,
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  Speaker 2: really excited, really excited. I can I can tell you
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  Speaker 2: that all my my information has arrived. Her lads, the Beast,
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  Speaker 2: But otherwise, I mean you get a lot of other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know how he does all that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Evan, you put together a book, a mini
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  Speaker 1: version of this. I imagine he's like married to this thing
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  Speaker 1: four months where all he does every day is write
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  Speaker 1: and prospects.
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  Speaker 2: You have to start getting them all the template done
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  Speaker 2: for every guy, and then you're filling in all year long.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The great thing about that is that they have all
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  Speaker 1: the stats broken down, they have all the measurements from
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  Speaker 1: the combine. It's like everything right before the draft. You
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  Speaker 1: get all the information in one place. So especially as
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  Speaker 1: you get to the end of the process and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, it's a clean slate. Now just give me
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  Speaker 1: a new bunch of information to kind of read it,
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  Speaker 1: you still have to.
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  Speaker 2: Like when you get interested in a guy, you still
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  Speaker 2: have to go look at his tape. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: not a substitute for actually watching about that just get
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  Speaker 2: you know, actually watch play. But to me, it gives
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  Speaker 2: me like the roadmap. Okay, here's the five guys I
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  Speaker 2: want to look at at this position, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: not just the top guys those are obvious, but like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this guy could be a sixth round pick, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like what did he do? Yeah, but it's amazing, like
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  Speaker 2: all these guys like all this, all that, and then
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  Speaker 2: their seventh round picks, and it just shows you, like
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  Speaker 2: the pyramid, how small it gets when you get to
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  Speaker 2: the NFL level. You know, you could be the best
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  Speaker 2: in your conference in college, but you know now you're
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  Speaker 2: competing against the best of the best. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. There's a running back from UAB named Dwayne McBride
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  Speaker 5: who ran for three thousand yards at UAB and he's
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  Speaker 5: like a sixth round pick. It's just like, this is
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  Speaker 5: just crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh look at Bailey z Appy. He broke the NCAA
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  Speaker 2: record for yards right, yeah, completion yards, and you know
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  Speaker 2: he was a fourth round pick. But still, you know
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  Speaker 2: you would think wow.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the funny thing to me too, is
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  Speaker 1: that you get all these books. We all do our research,
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  Speaker 1: you know, varying levels. The NFL teams hold all the cards,
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  Speaker 1: they do professionally, all that they have a full team
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  Speaker 1: of people year round doing this, and even they still
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  Speaker 1: miss on people.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's such a hard process.
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  Speaker 1: No matter how many things you look, no matter how
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  Speaker 1: much tape you look, you just there there's always going
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  Speaker 1: to be that little bit of an element that you
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  Speaker 1: don't know if a player is going to be successful.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's just no matter how great they look
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  Speaker 1: in the books, they don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So it's deuced. It's Evan, it's myself, Paul still on vacation,
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  Speaker 2: Still nice, he's still Miller white Land.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, knee deep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know where's Tamara and Alex?
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  Speaker 1: I know, I usually I think there's something going on
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  Speaker 1: because I went into the social department. Everybody is cleared out,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know where they are if they're all
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  Speaker 1: doing something.
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  Speaker 2: So I think Alex and I think with the community events.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe today Yeah, yeah, so the pull of the cameras
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  Speaker 5: wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they'll stop in later, you never know. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: what are we talking about? There was a report today
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  Speaker 2: of a certain quarterback on campus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll leave.
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  Speaker 2: O's we'll leave, we'll leave.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's say the name correctly, Yeah, we'll lev I'm
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  Speaker 5: never going to.
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  Speaker 1: Get that right. Yeah, so a little bit of a surprise.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's you know, I'll let Evan jump into him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, raw raw prospect kind of. He's got the
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  Speaker 1: the Josh Allen beauty queen kind of thing. We're oh man, he's.
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  Speaker 5: Big, he's athletic, he's strong.
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  Speaker 1: If we could just get him right, we could really
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  Speaker 1: have something on our on our hands. So I these
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  Speaker 1: are research They're probably gonna see these guys. Does it
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  Speaker 1: mean they're going to take him at fourteen? I doubt it,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, this is what they do, and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to face these guys, and now's a chance to.
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  Speaker 5: Get them under put look under the under the hood.
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  Speaker 1: I don't give him a full checkout. See see exactly
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  Speaker 1: what what's going on with Yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, you do your due diligence. You know, I think
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  Speaker 2: you're allowed thirty visits here. You know, probably they've got
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  Speaker 2: a few extra that they haven't used yet. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: bring Will Levison. Now that doesn't where they go and
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  Speaker 2: see like you can go and think unlimited to their place.
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  Speaker 2: And famously, I remember, you know when Sebastian Volmer was
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  Speaker 2: picked in the second round back then, Dante actually went
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  Speaker 2: to see him. Oh no, it was met Nate sold
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  Speaker 2: her Nate.
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  Speaker 5: Sold Your story is right, Oh it was Volmer Homer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: actually just talked to Dante about.
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  Speaker 2: It, Okay, okay, Yeah, so he went like a couple
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  Speaker 2: of days before the draft, yeah, to work him out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, he said that one of the
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  Speaker 5: big things for him. Was he knew that Sebastian was
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  Speaker 5: from Germany, and he didn't know how much English he knew,
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  Speaker 5: and he didn't know how much American football he knew.
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  Speaker 5: Like he knew that he was big and that he was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, looked the part of an NFL player, But
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  Speaker 5: he had to He wanted to go and see what
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  Speaker 5: exactly how much football did he know? How good was
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  Speaker 5: his English? How was he translating to American life and
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  Speaker 5: all those types of things, because all that stuff you
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  Speaker 5: really don't know until you sit down with somebody and
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  Speaker 5: talk to them. And I think that was a big
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  Speaker 5: thing with Will Levis for different reasons obviously, but he's
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  Speaker 5: one of those guys to me that you need to
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  Speaker 5: be one hundred percent sure that he wants to be great,
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  Speaker 5: that he wants to put in those extra hours after
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  Speaker 5: the practice and really work at his craft, because he's
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  Speaker 5: not there yet. He's somebody that's wildly inconsistent. He has
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  Speaker 5: peaks and valleys all over his film from the last
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  Speaker 5: two years. His footwork is completely erratic and all over
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  Speaker 5: the place, and his decision making can be erratic. But
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  Speaker 5: there are those samples of throws and samples of games
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  Speaker 5: where he's making those incredible quarterback plays where he's got
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  Speaker 5: an absolute cannon. He can hit things on time, he
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  Speaker 5: can flick the wrist off platform on the move, all
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  Speaker 5: that type of stuff, the Josh Allen of it all.
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  Speaker 5: But you have to know that that guy has the
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  Speaker 5: drive to put it in the work so that he
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  Speaker 5: can be consistently good, because if he doesn't, he's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be Zach Wilson. If he does, gonna be Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, uh sorry, go ahead for well, I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna say most of the books they've got him as
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  Speaker 2: the fourth rated receiver. Now it's all relative because it's
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  Speaker 2: a week class, But I mean, is he worth a
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  Speaker 2: second round pick? I don't know, for any team, not
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  Speaker 2: just the Patriots, but for any team.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody will take it tat I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we talked about if this was twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, the Patriots were fifteen when they got mac Jones.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this would be, you know, probably the kind
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  Speaker 1: of guy that we would be talking about. Should they
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  Speaker 1: consider him. I was gonna just piggyback.
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  Speaker 2: That's when they didn't have a quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, And if you know, if this
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  Speaker 1: was that draft and get into the quarterback you would
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  Speaker 1: be one of that. One story just to piggyback that
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  Speaker 1: Karen Gregion told this past weekend was about Solder and
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  Speaker 1: she had been talking to Soldier throughout the draft process,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, I don't know, about a week before
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  Speaker 1: the draft, he was supposed to have a visit and
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  Speaker 1: they abruptly canceled it, and so Karen was talking to
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  Speaker 1: him and he was like, oh, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: what happened, like he was all kind of down in
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  Speaker 1: the dumps about it. And then of course they actually
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  Speaker 1: did end up selecting him, So you never know the
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  Speaker 1: way he's gonna go. Guys are here that you're probably
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  Speaker 1: not even really interested, got you're canceling meetings on guys
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  Speaker 1: that you actually are interested. I know everybody keeps track
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  Speaker 1: of all the visits and everything. It's just it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to make it make sense out of These are the
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  Speaker 1: guys they're considering drafting. These are the guys that they
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  Speaker 1: feel like, Hey, now's our chance to get this guy
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  Speaker 1: in the building and get a little bit of sensive
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  Speaker 1: and if we have to face and.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard stories of guys that say, oh yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: went on a visit and all they did was talk
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  Speaker 2: about a teammate of mine and ask me questions about
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  Speaker 2: somebody else.
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  Speaker 5: Funny, you know, I do wonder that with the some
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  Speaker 5: of the edge rushers that they've brought in, some of
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  Speaker 5: those guys have gone up against the top tackles in
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  Speaker 5: college football, like a guy like Lucas van Ness went
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  Speaker 5: against Keorronsky went against Paris Johnson. Like, maybe they're doing
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  Speaker 5: homework more on those guys. Nolan Smith went up against
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  Speaker 5: Roderick Jones in practice every single day, So maybe a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more that. I don't love the oh, maybe
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  Speaker 5: they have to face them down the road theory, because
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  Speaker 5: like that, I feel like that's a waste of a visit,
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  Speaker 5: to be honest with you, Like maybe in a one
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  Speaker 5: in a million chance that he goes to an AFC's
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  Speaker 5: team or something like that, they might see him down
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  Speaker 5: the road. I don't know how much stock I put
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  Speaker 5: into that, but I do put a lot of stock
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  Speaker 5: in the teammates or who they're facing or things like
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  Speaker 5: that that maybe they can do some.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of be available in four years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, well I have heard that, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the second contract comes around the other team
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sign him or whatever. Really, and you know, I
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  Speaker 2: hear a lot, well we got to know him during
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  Speaker 2: the draft process, you know, so there is some of that.
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  Speaker 2: But I see what Evan's saying, like you're going to
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  Speaker 2: bring him out here just to get to know him, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, like to find to find his weakness.
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  Speaker 2: But thirty thirty, You think thirty visits, it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of visits. It's a lot of visits.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and local guys like Zay Flowers doesn't count, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: because he's local. So the only guys that count are
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  Speaker 5: the guys that have to get on a plane and
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  Speaker 5: come here, and.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't include you know, you can go to as
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  Speaker 2: many pro days as you want, you can go to
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  Speaker 2: and many one on one visits as you want at
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  Speaker 2: their place. So when you add it up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: thirty is a lot, you know, and you probably don't
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  Speaker 2: use all of them, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, well you're drafting maybe ten guys, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, a big hall will be ten eleven
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  Speaker 1: guys somewhere in there. So I mean that's then.
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  Speaker 2: And there's the misinformation, the whole smoke screen thing. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you bring in a guy, you wanted to get out there,
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  Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, oh, pictures are interested
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  Speaker 2: in Will Levis. Oh maybe we should be too.
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  Speaker 5: Oh right, Well, that's the other part is it's subterfuge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're not in the market quarterback in the
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  Speaker 2: first round, you want as many other teams to pick
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks as possible ahead of you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but just reading the Tee Lea's of
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  Speaker 5: everything that we've heard from from Bill in particular, it
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't shock me at all if they're interested in Will
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  Speaker 5: Levis for real, like he's not sold on the quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: but in the first round. Yeah, absolutely, wow. I mean
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  Speaker 5: he's gonna go in the first round. Someone's gonna take
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  Speaker 5: him in the first round regardless.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the imagine that though, if you
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  Speaker 2: take Will Levis, you're literally taking him at a higher
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  Speaker 2: draft spot than you took your current quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're training your current quarterback at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you think so?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I would think they would draft Will Levis
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  Speaker 5: Bailey Zappi's the guy.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have the competition of competitions in camp.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think that's a waste of assets to have
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  Speaker 5: two first round quarterbacks on the but.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he isn't exactly opposite of Mac Jones, but
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  Speaker 1: he kind of is exactly opposite of Mac Jones in
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  Speaker 1: terms of, you know, a high floor guy versus a
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  Speaker 1: high ceiling guy, you know, in the athleticism. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's what's intriguing to me. I don't think it was
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  Speaker 1: a surprise to anyone that Bill Belichick might prefer the
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  Speaker 1: high floor player. But you know, to see him take
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  Speaker 1: a swing on a guy like Will Levis that there's
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  Speaker 1: there's some intrigue there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's worth getting into. But like
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  Speaker 2: if you did, let's say you did trade, what's your plan.
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  Speaker 2: Do you bring in a veteran until he's ready or
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  Speaker 2: do you let Bailey Zappy compete for the Bailey Zappy?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Really byby Rye was zappy. I mean it's a tough call.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, Evan for all the reasons Evan said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's ready to step in, or at
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  Speaker 1: least I don't know. If Will Levis was going to
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  Speaker 1: beat Cam Newton in the twenty twenty one training camp,
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  Speaker 1: like you know that he probably was gonna lot. He
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  Speaker 1: probably wouldn't.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Will Evis could start right away. I
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  Speaker 5: think the biggest thing that you have to look at
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  Speaker 5: is this twenty one film. Much much better in twenty
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  Speaker 5: one at Kentucky than the in twenty two. In twenty two,
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  Speaker 5: I lost a lot of his his guys in twenty two,
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  Speaker 5: A couple of linemen Wandell Robinson goes to the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: You know, guys like that that really helped him in
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  Speaker 5: Kentucky in twenty one. So in some ways I think
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  Speaker 5: that people that really really like Will Levis have drawn
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  Speaker 5: comparisons to Justin Herbert, who also had a similar really
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  Speaker 5: really good in his junior season, not as good in
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  Speaker 5: his senior season because they lost a bunch of talent
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  Speaker 5: to the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, well, the guy like that, if you
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  Speaker 2: really believe in his talent, you know, then I think
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  Speaker 2: it is imperative that you bring him in to get
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  Speaker 2: to know him, you know, because like, if he's coachable,
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  Speaker 2: if football's important to him, these are the all the
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  Speaker 2: off field intangibles, If those things, if you can check
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  Speaker 2: all those boxes, Okay, this is a guy we can
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  Speaker 2: work with and he's worth it. And that's where you
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  Speaker 2: need to sit down and look him in the eyes,
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  Speaker 2: ask him questions, and like it's a whole day thing.
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  Speaker 2: You really have to run him through the car wash.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, if he's checking
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  Speaker 2: those boxes, that's a tough decision.
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  Speaker 8: Man.
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  Speaker 5: That's the biggest thing for me and the hardest part
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  Speaker 5: about for me in the outside looking in to give
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  Speaker 5: a proper evaluation of somebody like Will Levis. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know Will Levis. I've never talked to him before. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know what his makeup is. I don't know what
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  Speaker 5: his drive is, because he's going to have to have
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  Speaker 5: that hunger to want to be fixable and coachable because
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  Speaker 5: he has flaws and he has warts on his film
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: that he's going to have to fix in the NFL.
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: But I think the biggest thing that stands out to me,
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: and this is something that I think a lot of
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: people have learned from Josh Allen, from Herbert, from Patrick Mahomes,
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: is are the intentions there on film? Is he trying
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: to do the right things? Or are his eyes all
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: over the place and his feet are all over the
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: place and it's just the mess With Levis. I see
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: a guy that knows how to play quarterback, Like his
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: eyes are usually in the right place. His progressions are
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: usually sound. The ball just doesn't always go where he
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: wants it to go, and that should be in theory.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: That's fi like you can train mechanics, you can train
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: footwork to the point where it's more consistent. If he
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: was one of these guys that that really had the
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: trouble processing and reading the field, I would be out
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: on him. But what I see as a player that
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: just needs to continue to work at the finer points
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: of quarterbacking and the other stuff will come. I think
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: he sees the field pretty well. He's got a really
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: compact quick release, which I think is what everybody is
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: kind of fascinated by with him, is the velocity and.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: The unbelievable It's a little bit like Garoppolo, but even stronger,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: like in terms of quickness, Like it looks like Garoppolo,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: but he's got a stronger arm. I would say, yeah.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: And then he's got mobility, you know, and he can
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: get outside the pocket and he can throw out a structure,
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: and he can you know, flick the wrists and throw
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: it fifty yards down the field, and he can run
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: over people, you know, as a runner. There's highlights of
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: him out there hurdling guys, you know, and down the
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: field and things like that. So I liked him a
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: lot more than I thought I would, and I threw
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: him in in the draft guy at the last second
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: because I was like, you know what, but the one
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: quarterback that could fall to fourteen and in the first
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: round is Will Levis. So I'm just gonna do it,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: you know, just go through his tape real quick. And
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I'm glad I did it because I was sold, Like,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: I felt a lot better about his valuation because going
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: into it, I really thought I was going to be
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: watching Zach Wilson two point zero and it really wasn't
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: that He's a much cleaner prospect than Zack Wilson.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Was interesting, okay, but I will.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Say this, the best cut, the worst cupt secret right
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: now in the NFL is Will Levis. In the Indianapolis
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Colts like the Colt Set four. I think he's now
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: the betting favorite to go to the Colt Set four.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: And I can imagine that the people in that building
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: think he's Andrew Luck. Like he just looks like Andrew Luck,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: throws the ball like Andrew Luck, is athletic, like Andrew
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Luck was so I don't see him coming anywhere close
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: to making it to fourteen. I think that he's probably
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: an Indianapolis Colt unless CJ. Stroud doesn't end up going
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: to Houston.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: So you'd think including Richardson all four go before the fourteen.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: I would assume. So I think Richardson is way too
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: freakish to let him out of the top ten. You know,
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: his tools are just out of this world, you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Cam Newton, Josh Allen level athleticism. So I don't think
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: that you can let him out of the top ten.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: And I think a lot of teams are gonna convince
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: themselves that they can fix all of us.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, a very interesting There's gonna be a lot of
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: intrigue on Thursday, and I'm you know, as I said,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: it's a week away. We're gonna be live video starting
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: at seven thirty next Thursday night from the draft party.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: So the Patriots having a big draft party upstairs for
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: season ticket holders and other people who bought tickets, and
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: so we'll be we'll be doing our show live from
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: the party. The first hour of the show will be
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: live video and then per NFL rules at eight thirty,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to go to just audio, but we'll
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: be with you throughout the entire first round on Thursday night.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: So I can't wait for that. It's always you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: not just me, but our listeners always say it's it's
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: among the best shows we do all year. Yeah, it's
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Uh And I think the Patriots pick
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: somewhere nine thirty ish, I think is when they're protected
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: to projected to.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: If they stay at.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Fourteen, right, it'll be closer to midnight.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah on Friday.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah no, no.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, what do we do if they trade out altogether?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: We just keep going just power We just power through
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and talk about Friday.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: I'm just messing they're not going to trade out from
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: forty six picks tomorrow.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Exciting.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh so that's there's some you know, get
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: your rest, maybe take a long nap on Thursday afternoon,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you know, get your five hour energy like I do. Uh,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: because it's going to be a wild night.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: There's a two Starbucks kind of day.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, you're not sleeping.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sleeping Anyways.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I was saying, though, I I I love Friday, Like
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you know, the two years ago when they drafted Mac.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: That was just such a great day the day after
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: when it was and and a lot of it was
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: because kind of COVID we were coming out of that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: whole thing, but just having Mac on the field and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you know, just that renew kind of excitement. That's what
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping for, that that they make a kind of
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: pick that has that kind of energy about it and
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: we can get on the field, you know, beautiful day
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and get him out of here, get them in here,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, to chat them up a little bit. But
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's what's really exciting. You know, you get
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: to this point, all these NFL teams, you get these
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: new players, and there should at least be some hope.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I know that we'll have callers that are like, but
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: this is what it's all about, getting these young kids
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: in and remaking the team. So it's it's exciting. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: can't believe that how quickly it seems to go. Now.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: It's just like the off season starts and you're like boom,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Combine owners meeting and here we are draft.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so anything else going on? You know, last show
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: on Tuesday, you know, the Jalen Hurts deal had been announced,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and you know that was really interesting, and OBJ went
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to the Ravens, and everyone just assumes that because of that,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Lamar will eventually be going back. You know, have we
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: heard anymore on the Lamar Jackson front.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: It's been getting quiet, right, And I feel like this, Yeah,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with that. I just I feel
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: like we've entered a little bit of a void here
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and I wonder if early next week Tuesday, Wednesday, we
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: might get I think, what was it two years ago
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: was when that was, like when Gronk got traded, Like, yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: was that even in the hours leading up to the draft?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I remember that. So we have a weird little period
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: here where it seems like I mean, I think Evan
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: with the Colts and that that whole thing with Levis
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that's been one of the rumors.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: But otherwise it's been it's been pretty quiet. Well, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: think the big thing is right now is down the
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: hall here and in every other facility in the NFL.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: This is when you really finalize your board. So until
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: you set your board, trading upper back or down or
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: whatever in the draft, you're not gonna you're trading up
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: or down for specific player in mind right to get
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: in arranged to draft a specific player. So until you
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: finalize the board, then teams don't really know one hundred
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: percent what they're trading up for, right So I think
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: that that's the big thing right now is trying to
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: figure out that. And I would also say, like different
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: they do mock drafts, like not on the PFF simulator
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: like all of us casuals do, but they do mock
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: drafts to simulate different scenarios. And I think that that's
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: where Will Levis comes into play, where it's like, if
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: we're adding the clock on fourteen and he's there, still,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: what are we doing? Are we taking him or are
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: we not taking him? And I think that's the type
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: of the discussions that go on right now is Okay,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: we're this is our board. Now, okay, now this is
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: our board. Now this is our board, and we have
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: this team calling, you know, offering this package to trade down,
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: and you try to figure out exactly what you want
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You know, and like like Kevin said, you know, you're
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: finalizing your board now, but in terms of like trading up,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: like you said, you're trading up for a particular player.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But unless it's like unless you're trading up to the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: top three in the drop. You have no idea of
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: how the board's going to unfold in front of you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the one thing that people don't understand.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Why can't they just like say that they're interested in
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a certain guy or a certain position, or you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: like why don't they know? Why don't they know? They
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: honestly don't know. When Bill Belichick says I have no
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: idea who we're gonna draft, he's he knows who they like, obviously,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: but you have no idea what's gonna happen in front
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of you. And that changes everything. Yeah, you know, you
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: don't have control of that, and and uh, you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and even with trades, well just trade up, Well it
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: takes two people to trade, you know. It's so it's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it's not as easy as people think it is now.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: But I think that there are also calls going on
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: right now of you know, hey six overall, what would
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you think here? Who do you like? You know, those
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: kind of like feel out calls, which you know then
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it's going to be next week, you know, the Patriots
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: have make calls about trading up, which I just I
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: feel like every team should make a call see who
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: got what teams, you know, four or five six spots
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: ahead of you. Who are they looking for? What would
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it take? You know, those kind of things. You have
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: those in place. To Evan's point, if it starts to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: evolve and you're like, all right, maybe we got to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: make a move here, you already have some roundwork laid of. Hey,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: we know we could probably get to this spot and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: this is probably what we would have to give up.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Hope.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I hope they're going to be aggressive like that. I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: mean I think that's we've talked a little bit about it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a trade up kind of
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a draft, but maybe you trade down and then you're
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and then you're talking about trading up like they did
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: with Barmore. You know, the being aggressive more in the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: second round. Yep, that's the biggest thing I've just taken
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: away from. You know, you make that pick at fourteen,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it's a long way to forty six, and you see
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of players that you really like go in
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that range from fourteen to forty six, So it's you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: can you fill that gap a little bit? And I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: think everybody would pretty much be okay with Hey, we're
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: going to drop down to twenty twenty one, twenty two.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But you're going to pick up another pick somewhere in
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that thirties, forties, maybe even early fifties, like that little
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: range in the second round to you know, really just
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: get a couple of these guys.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It's just fun to be active. And even Bill says it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, you know, after each day you
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: restack your board, you know, and you want to be
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: in the action. You know, like if you have if
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you don't have a pick in the fourth round, maybe
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you do something to try to get that pick back,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: just so that you're you're involved. You know, you're not
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: just watching the parade go by. And you know, if
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you don't have a pick, there's no reason for people
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to call you. But if you have assets, then you're
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: more in the mix. So this is all I mean.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I would really love to, you know, be in that
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: draft room on draft day, just to be in a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: fly just to watch and not to even you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: report on it. And I was lucky enough to do
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that years ago, when Pete Carroll first came here. I
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: was able to sit in the draft room on draft
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: day and it was pretty cool. Now I wasn't back
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: then it was at the old Stadium, and where they
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: made the phone calls was a separate room, So I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: was sitting in the room with like all the scouts
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and everybody, but like when they did the wheeling and dealing,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: that was in a separate room, so I didn't get
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to overhear all of that, but it was pretty cool.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It was like big Cat like more like that year,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: one of those.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Years, and it was his first year. And I remember
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: he came out and he looked at me and he's like,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: what's he doing here?
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: Like he's fine, Yeah, I just I really do wonder
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: what those conversations are like for real, when if there
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: is disagreement about who they're gonna take, is it? At
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: that point, Macro lays down his sword and says, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: know that I'm not making the final call, and I've
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: said all I could possibly say. Or are there moments
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: of contention? I'm not saying that there definitely is. I'm
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: just saying, is there moments of contention where it's like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: you know, Bill's leaning towards this guy, but the scouting
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: staff is saying that guy, and like, how do you
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: kind of work that thing out? Because I think that
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: That's what all of us on the outside looking in
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: feel like it's happening right before our eyes sometimes, is
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: that Bill takes his guy when the board might have
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: been set a little bit differently by the scouting staff.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I gotta imagine that during the Rutgers years, when Schiano's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: first stint at Rutgers, there was a lot of him
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: there he goes again, you know, like yeah, and I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: can't imagine that that's just happened to be how their
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: board felt. You know, he was doing Chiano a solid
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: when he took all those guys, you know, I.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Mean, you know, we do it the way we do it,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: but even we get attached to guys or develop opinions
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: on guys, whether they're right or wrong. You imagine that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: these scouts who do it professionally and do it year
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: round and have traveled to see these guys in person
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: multiple times, have maybe visited their families, I don't know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know, talk to their coaches, like the amount of
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: work that they put into these prospects and the amount
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of investment that they must have. To Evan's point, it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: it's fascinating because you imagine that there are whenever they
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: make a pick, there's going to be a cross section
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of people will probably are pissed. Like there's probably a
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: few people that No, I didn't like that one. You know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: whether it's build taken over or not, there's always going
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to be I think that kind of because even you
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: see it with us, like you know, the punditsary, I.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Get to imagine it's like you know, your former career.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You know, like when you debut a show. You've worked
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: all all these months and months on the show, the writing,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the directing, the acting, and then you actually see it
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: on the screen, you know, and that's what like draft days.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: You've done all this work and now it manifests itself
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: into the picks that you actually make. You know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Well, the funny thing about that is that you're totally right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I mean it's such a process, and I mean I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: still don't know how anything actually makes it to the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: air with how hard the process is at every step
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: of the way in entertainment, publishing it, or you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: putting a TV show together. It's just everything is a war.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And then it premieres and you get those first numbers
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of how it did, which you know is so much
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: more reflection of Okay, the team gets out there and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: they play and maybe they lose, but it's not just
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: an entire reflection upon this one little thing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: And that was always so interesting. You know, how much
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: of your leading.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Did you hold? What was it like at the end, Well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: how did the show after you do those kind of things.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: The immediate feedback you would get, Yeah, you know, we'll
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: get a little bit of it at OTAs, I guess
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and kind of you know, get a little bit of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a sense. But it's it's hard unless we were talking upstairs. Yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: they get a receiver, you're gonna.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Be like, hey, OTAs, let's go.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Let's see how the quickness is. You know, last year
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: with cold Strange, it was like, I don't know, he's
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: out there, right, he's a left guard? All right?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: We were also talking about them just being a little
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: bold in this draft, and I feel like that's something
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: that as much as I like a lot of the
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: tackles in this draft, it's not that that's a that's
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: a safe pick, right, that's to get it on the fairway,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: you know, tires on a car. Like you like to say, dude,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: like that's what that pick is. Where at this point
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: in the organization's rebuild. I feel like they need to
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: be a little bit bolder than that. Like I think
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: tackles and things like that are just you're not you're
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: not swinging the pendulum far enough, if that's what you're doing.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: So I've really gravitated towards corner. I feel myself as
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: the days get closer, feeling like, all right, if they
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: can get a revis a Gilmore level guy that just
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: shuts down his assignment, how big that is for the
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: whole structure of the defense. And then obviously the receivers
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: like those are the two position is that it really
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: feels like that's a splash, that's something that's going to change,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: potentially change, but it's bold. You know, there's a chance
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: that that receiver might be a bust. It's a chance
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: that Zay Flowers can't play. I don't think that, but
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: there's a chance, you know, And I think there's maybe
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: a little bit more of a chance at those spots.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: And let's say tackle, Yeah, I.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Think corner is your safest impact pick. Wide receiver would
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: be your boldest impact pick, and then tackle is your
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: safest yeah pick.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And then I throw edge in there as like kind
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of the dark horse, And to Evan's point, like, maybe
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: if you believe one of those edge guys is you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: because you could probably theoretically get the second best guy
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I would guess after Anderson, might you know, could possibly
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: be available that if you really feel like, hey, this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: can be a game changing three down edge for us
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and we know exactly where we could put them, then
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I like that's one that will be a little bit
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of a head scratcher for a second. But I think
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: after that you'd say, all right, well, if they really
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: believe that jo Don's getting a little old and wo
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: j is what he is, if we can get another
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: three down kind of I like that who can do
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: it all? Then I think that that could be worth
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: it two. But otherwise, one of those four positions, it
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: feels like if it's off outside of that beaten path,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: If you want to get bold. And I've been kicking
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: this around since they've been meeting with all of these
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: edge rushers and bringing them in for visits, and if
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: they want to get me back on board, which is
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: the most important thing, right that's all that matter. If
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: you want to get me back on board and me
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: saying that they're playing chess again. You draft the best
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: available edge at fourteen, and then you package josh Uj
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: in a trade for a wide receiver, Like that's that's
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: like how you really go about that? In my opinion
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: level is that that's the four and D chess that
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: they used to play, right that they know that they're
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: not going to pay josh u j long term extension
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: because he is this one trick pony pass rusher. So
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: they go and they get Nolan Smith, or they draft
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Tyree Wilson or Miles Murphy or one of these top
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: edge guys, and then by the end of day too,
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: you have Miles Murphy and Jerry Judy on the roster
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: with your first two picks in.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: The draft, which is like versus Ouch or Ze Flowers,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like like exactly right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Those are the types of things that I I with
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: them meeting with all these edge guys. I'm like, oh,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: maybe if they do love one of these edge rushers
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: so much that they feel like they have to take
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: them at fourteen, maybe then j becomes a trade chip
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: that they can use because he is a valuable young player.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Like getting guys that can put up double digit sack
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: numbers in the league nowadays, is a valuable commodity, even
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: if he is just a pass rush type of play.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's not von Miller, but like
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that role that Buffalo brought von Miller in. Like I
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: could see a team saying, he's not von Miller, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: this is, you know, that kind of guy. We could
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: come in and be that closer.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: You can make the case that you know, had they
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: had von Miller not got hurt, they might have been, yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: going further than they did. All right, eight five to
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: five Pats five hundred is the Ace ticket Hutline web
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: radio at Patriots dot com. It's the email address. Let's
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: get to some of the listeners. We'll go to Dominique
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: in New York on the Ace ticket hut Line. What's up,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: im an Ache?
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Hey, how a y'all doing?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: Good good.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: You were mentioned a little bit earlier. We know Matt
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Jones obviously is in Bill Belichick's favor right now, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: there might be intrigue at least in the draft to
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: look at different options. You were mentioning Will Levis, but
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I was wondering and to kind of get your thoughts
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: and feels on this is. I know you have like
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Ndon Hooker, who might go round three out of Tennessee,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: a little bit older, but you know people are pretty
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: high on him. And then you have Adrian Thomas Roberts
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Thompson Robinson out of U C l U C l A.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Do you think, I don't know, it's even worth maybe
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: even looking at and picking up one of those guys
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: with the later picks maybe or onward. Is it even
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: worth it just to look at something maybe in the
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: drafts opposed to externally, which I think is unlikely.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do said up plenty of times.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I just I think it's just good business. Thank you
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: would always you know, not every year, but I would
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: just about I would take a shot.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: What do you think of the kid from Stanford McKee?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's you know, big, I thought Paul would
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: like him two blood though, but you know, kind of
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a big throwback guy. I think dtr he mentioned him.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's get somebody who's a little different, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: somebody who can who can provide value at least as
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a practice squad member getting ready for all these mobile
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you have to see. So I'd like that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: part of it. But you know, Jake Hayner was a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: guy that won the Senior Bowl. You know, m v P.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Scrappy, you know, little scrappy guys.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: But just not unprecedented that the Patriots have four quarterbacks
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: on the roster. They've done it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Before now And I mean ZAPPI, I mean, who knows
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: what what the guy they just they brought in, they draft.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: The quarterback with the high picked, then they're just gonna
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: cut mcsorly the next day. Yeah, like that, I don't
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: even think it's worth bring mc sorely to camp at
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: that point.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: But he's kind of a mobile guy, right, Like, Yeah,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that's like.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: The one thing he's good at is he can run
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: around a little bit. But uh, with Hooker, Hooker is
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: the third round. Like he's gone well before the third round.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: He's gonna be a top fifty pick in the draft.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: But I'm not sold on Hooker at all. I think
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: that he's a player that a just tours ACL in November,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: so he's out for his entire rookie season and he's
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: got a long way to go. That Tennessee offense is
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: very gimmicky. It's very it's a spread offense. They run
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: a bunch of different, unique, very very unnfl like things.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Their progressions are really just one read in a progression
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: or in the balls out, so he's not reading the
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: full field. He's coming from a weird offense. They play
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: with a ton of tempo, a ton of spacing, things
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: like that. And he's twenty five years old and he's
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: coming off of torn acl So I just think there's
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: a lot of things against that pick to me that
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I just don't really make much sense of it. I
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: think he could have a chance to sneak into the
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: end of the first round. You know, he's somebody that
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: has the raw physical tools that somebody could convince themselves
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: that he's the next Jalen Hurts or the next one
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: of those types of guys I like DTR. I think
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: that he's more of a of a dart throw. At
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: the end of the draft, I compared him to Tyrod
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Taylor when we did quarterback, So I think that there's
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a value there. But I'm not
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: a big hooker guy.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to Patty and Ago on. What's up?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Patty Loo's up? Guys?
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: Hold on, let me take you out boluetub real quick.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: And expect to get picked up so quickly. So when
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I say, I'm kind of with you, Evan, I want
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: to see them be a little bit aggressive. You know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: if let's say at twelve, if Christiana Zalez is there
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: and you know the Texans aren't going to be taking
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: another cornerback. I mean, and if you've really liked the guy,
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: why not move up and take them and another guy
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: that's really intriguing the more time goes by, is man.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: I think Darnel Washington would would be a real great
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: fit in this offense because, like you guys have said,
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: they don't have that kind of player on the team
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: right now, Like this big mauling blocking tight end that
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: has a lot of upside that could be a you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: that could possibly potentially be a big receiving threat in
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: the passing game. Yeah, and I'm just excited. You know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: this is one of my favorite times a year. And Fred, Yeah,
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: the draft shows generally are our a plus every year.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: That's good, thank you, And that's all I got. All right, thanks, Patty.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Very exciting. All right, let's see, let's get to some
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of these emails, Tim writes in Our Friend from Duncan.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: He says, for Evan, sounds like you're high on Will Levis,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: So hypothetically, would you take Levis at fourteen if you
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: were able to get a second round pick for Mac.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it myself, but curious what you would do.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I also agree that draft shows are a must listen
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: second round for Mac.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Huh, I'm gonna call. I'm gonna take a cop out, admittedly,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: but I just don't know enough about Will Levis the
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: person to make that call.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Well, Barth just tweeted out that I guess he was
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a training camp here and yeah, he's from Cannelly and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: at four I didn't realize with some good pictures of
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: little Will Levi's here at camp.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah he's from Connecticut.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: We'arn a Brady Jersey.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you're telling me that all of
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: the intangible stuff checks out. And he has a great interview,
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: and O'Brien's on board, and he's got that that factor.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: I was listening to to Bill Pollion talk about their
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: meeting with Peyton Manning before the draft and in that draft,
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: and he said that Peyton told them if you draft me,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: I'll see you the next day and Poleon said, well,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: there's NFL rules that you can't you know, I think
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: it's five days after the draft that we can't bring
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: you in for workouts and for five days after the draft.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: And Peyton said, figure it out, you know, I'll be
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: there the next day.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: He's a rare breathe.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Right, And then there you also mentioned that Peyton. It
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: felt like Peyton was interviewing them, not the other way around.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: And for a guy at the top of the draft
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: like that, you can understand you're going where you want
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: to go. Hey, this ain't about you know, anything else really,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: and uh, it's like.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: John Elway, I'm not going on the court, right.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that that Will Levice needs to be
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: like that wow me. But that type of mentality that
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: you know Brady had the same thing, that hunger and
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: that drive. If he's got that, then I would be
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: on board with taking him in the first night.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna say it this way. I think
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Mac deserves another year. I don't think that he got
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you know, a fair fair treatment last year. I think
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that he is deserving of another chance this season. But
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: that said, if you don't believe that Mac Jones is
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: going to be the answer of taking down Josh Allen,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you know, and you feel like, all right, well, we're
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: going to tread water for a few years with his kid,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and he'll be okay. He's not going to lose us
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: any games. He's probably not gonna win as many games too.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: There's something that's appealing to me of saying, look like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: we're stuck behind the bills right now, we have to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: kind of do something. But are we ever going to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: get there?
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: With Mac?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: A I agree with you that he deserves another year,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: but I'm not getting a guy in the first round
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: unless I absolutely love him. It's not just because I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: don't I don't have one hundred percent confidence in Mac.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: It's because I can't miss on this guy. I gotta
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: get him. Short of that, I'm not wasting a first
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: round pick on a guy who's a maybe.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: If this is another kind of middling season from Mac,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: even with you know, with Bill O'Brien there, it still
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: kind of looks like maybe at best twenty twenty one.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I think next draft this would be a real conversation
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: for me of saying, look are we are We just
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: gonna try to make it happen with Mac or are
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: we gonna finally maybe just make a decision. Look, it
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: might it might blow up, It might blow up in
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: your face. You might not be able to get him
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to be that Josh Allen guy. But at least you know, hey,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: if this guy does happen to put it together, we
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: might really have something. We might actually compete with the Bengals.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And like I just I have a real hard time
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: right now imagining, no matter what you get around Mac,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: that this offense is going to be able to be
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: on that level. You know, unless they find a dynamic
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: playmaker guy that just kind of changes things like Gronk.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Did you know those kind of guys, it's just do
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it alone.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: I have a hard time thinking that they think that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: And if they don't, I think that if they don't
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: think that Mac can get them to where they need
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: to be to compete with the Bengals and the Bills
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: and the Chiefs and all these top teams in the AFC,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: then every single day that goes by, you're just wasting time, right,
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: You're just spinning the wheel. And to me, that's why
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: you bring Will Evison. I would also say that maybe
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: they should be bringing in Anthony Richardson at this point
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: because one of those two guys is is gonna fall
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: within range. Like, I'm not saying that they're all gonna either.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: One of them might fall away to the fourteen, but
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: somebody's getting picked at the end of the top ten, nine, ten, eleven,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: somewhere in that range. I mean, Justin Fields was eleventh overall,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: and it's probably a better prospect coming out than those
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: two guys. But if you really feel like Mac is
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: not it, then wasting more time on developing Mac is
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: a road to nowhere, right, And That's where I'm at
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: with it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I like, I guess, you know, obviously they
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: know a hell of a lot more than we do
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: about Mac. But I can't believe believe that right now
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: they think he's not the guy. I gotta believe that
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: they think that if we get everything right he gets right,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: we can win with him, you know, but we'll see
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: action speaks louder than words. Richard writes in about will Levis,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: to quote Simon from early American idol, It's a note
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: from me. Will Levis has no drive and desire. He
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: didn't play in his team's bowl game in the Senior
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Bowl for a guy from a small time football program,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: he didn't take those opportunities to show his talent on
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: a big stage.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean it's I mean one of the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: things I liked about Mack was that he went right
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: after it, after his Alabama season ended, he went to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl practice for a couple of days, had
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: two throwing days. I mean, I've always really admired those
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: things about him. But you know, to Evan's point, I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: don't know enough about will Levis the guy if you're
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: willing to make that investment in him. But I think
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: next year a guy like Will Levis could possibly be
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of a Maybe this is something
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: they should really consider.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Opting out of a bowl game is the least to
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: my worries when it comes to these things. I mean,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Jackson Smith and Jigba basically just opted out of his
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: entire season last year. And I don't know if the
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: emailer is out on Jackson Smith and Jigba or a
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: couple of years ago when Jamar Chase opted out because
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: of COVID, like we don't like Jamar Chase now, or
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: how many guys just don't play in their bowl games, right,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I mean just that in itself too.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know that just who cares?
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, unless you're playing for a national championship.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Right then the car's car friends stock.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Is Look I get it though. I mean, you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Bryce Young played in the Sugar Bowl and he tore
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: it up and killed Kansas State in that game. Was phenomenal.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: So it can help your stock if you play good,
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: but it can also credit your stock if you play poorly, so.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: You get hurt.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: But there is something you know to be said about
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: the guy who accepts every challenge and every opportunity, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Thrives on competition. Se cell competition.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael writes, and he doesn't say where he's from.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Eric would not like that. Why all of a sudden,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: is there no need for a stand up linebacker? Bentley
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: is average? And who is the other starter? Any guys
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: in the draft? You like?
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: Bad draft for linebackers?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just I mean, as much as this
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: isn't going to be what you want to hear, I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: think they're I think they're pretty set there. I mean
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I think they might maybe take a third day flyer,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: camra Groan, probably a special teams type guy. But just
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: because it's not what we want is not doesn't mean
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it's not what they want. I think they love Juwan
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Bentley or you know Mayo talk about him already. I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: think they really like to Vay. I mean, I think
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I was surprised by Tavai mac Wilson, Ray Kwa McMillan.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I think that they're they're trying to develop this group
• 43:42
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  Speaker 2: can't we have nice things?
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  Speaker 1: Hey?
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  Speaker 7: Ed, I'm hitting up the river with a boat and
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  Speaker 7: a pedal note pedals, and I'm handing them beat down?
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  Speaker 1: There is it?
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  Speaker 2: High?
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  Speaker 1: Tide or low tide.
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  Speaker 9: It's load tid, but you've gotta make sure you don't
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  Speaker 9: want to run a ground in the river.
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  Speaker 1: It's never been in a river.
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  Speaker 2: He has no idea where tides, you fat head.
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  Speaker 15: No, I know they do, because I need to know
• 54:13
  Speaker 15: whether it's tigh tide or low tide where I If
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  Speaker 15: it's low tide going going in the ocean. You don't
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  Speaker 15: know the difference between the river and ocean. And it's
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  Speaker 15: embarrassing for somebody who's different entire life. It's an embarrassing,
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  Speaker 15: idiot that you haven't own up as a rich kid
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  Speaker 15: on the cave and never learned anything about the water
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  Speaker 15: around you are. It is an embarrassing You should just
• 54:34
  Speaker 15: go home.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks Pat. About five minutes later, there.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Is a tide.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: No, yes, there is.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: There is no tide chart for the Quabbin River.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're an idiot, No, there's no.
• 54:49
  Speaker 15: I'm not the one saying blanket statements.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: That are absolutely there's no tide chart for the bat
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and Kill River. I don't know where any of these
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: rivers are there.
• 54:56
  Speaker 15: If they are close to the coastline, they all have
• 54:59
  Speaker 15: massive tides. Three to four foot, three to four foot
• 55:02
  Speaker 15: tides every six hours. All right, three to four foot
• 55:04
  Speaker 15: tides every six hours. It changes a little less than
• 55:07
  Speaker 15: an hour every day. I know how tides work. You
• 55:09
  Speaker 15: need to know how tied.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Andy A river doesn't have a tide. You guys are morons.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: This is unreal.
• 55:15
  Speaker 14: Whoa whoa?
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: Alright for something that's a fact.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Don't look at me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not involved in this whatsoever.
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  Speaker 14: I have no idea about like like, I've never I
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  Speaker 2: This is I did not drop in the US. We
• 55:29
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• 55:31
  Speaker 5: No, we don't.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Like there's facts.
• 55:32
  Speaker 15: That's another great moment from.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: That's not why the draft shows are great. But yeah, hot,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: oh yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did something happened earlier on the show that got him
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: triggered because it seems like he was ready.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: He thinks he knows everything the draft. I got it
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  Speaker 2: all right back here in Patriot's unfiltered eight five five
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: past five hundred is the ACE ticket hotline. Web radio
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: at patriots dot com is the email address. Caleb, who's
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: from Knoxville, of course, says, as a Knoxville native, I've
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: watched every snap of every football game under the current
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: coach here at Tennessee. Evan is hands down incorrect about
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Tennessee's offense having no progressions and receivers running nothing but
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: go routes. Every receiver on Tennessee's offense has three plus routes.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: They always have the option to run based on the defense.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Hooker was touted as being one of the best decision
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: makers in the nation last year due to all the
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: progressions he has to make every play. I really don't
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: understand how having your quarterback make multiple decisions through their
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: progressions every play is gimmicky.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: Cause that okay, that just couldn't be more further from
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: the truth. Well, he watches every game that I think
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: the biggest thing is is that like people associate progressions
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: and decision making with interceptions, like if guys don't have
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: big interceptions numbers, that means that they are these really,
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: really good field processors and things like that, which Hooker is.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: That's fair. Hooker doesn't throw many picks and he doesn't
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: put the ball up for grabs. They have three routes
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: that they could run on an on any play. They
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: have conversions on their vertical routes, So if they have
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: a conversion at the top of the break at about
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: twelve to fifteen yards where they make a decision. Am
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: I going to run a post? Am I going to
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: run a goa? Am I going to run a corner
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: or a fade or something like that based off the defense.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: But it's all vertical routes right, whatever way you slice it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: I don't even think I ever mentioned go routes. But
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: whatever way you slice it, you're running a vertical some way,
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: shape or form. So their offense is the nature of
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: their offense is not a full field progression offense, and
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: the route conversions that they run or are just vertical
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: rout conversions that pretty much every team has in their playbook.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: Thank you for the email, though.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: You go, Caleb, I don't know. I got a feeling
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: we're going to get another call or email from Kleb.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: But uh, let's go to the Ace ticket upline. Chris
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: is in Scottsdale. What's up, Chris?
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: Hey, guys, how you going good?
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Good good?
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: I joined the show a little bit late today and
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: heard about the Will Levis You know snippet of the
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: Will Levis discussion. Is he coming in for a visit
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: or something.
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  Speaker 2: According to the report. According to the report.
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  Speaker 8: Got you, got you.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen him, but.
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  Speaker 8: You know, if I have an opinion so much on that,
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: I don't think that. I think that's just due diligence.
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: I don't think we'll be drafted him or anything. I
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  Speaker 8: wouldn't mind drafting him over Jones for sure.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: But why do you say that?
• 58:30
  Speaker 8: Just why do I say that? I think it's a
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: draft now?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Why why do you say you would you'd like to
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: draft him? Why do you say that?
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: Because I just think that he has more potential than
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: Jones in terms of physical ability. Uh, he's more to
• 58:46
  Speaker 8: you know, match the NFL game today, Fred, you know,
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: compared to Jones being sort of the immobile, not that
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: he can't move what the lever, but again he's he's
• 58:55
  Speaker 8: in line with with sort of yesteryear in my opinion,
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: you know, reading due and if you're not going to
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: do that well and if you don't have enough strength
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: behind your throws to squeeze it into the windows in
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: the NFL, you're you're really limited, right, I mean, I
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: don't even think that's arguable.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're looking at that high ceiling and right, right,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: And I have an off season question. So who's there today?
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: Who's on the panel today?
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: It's just Deuce, Evan and myself.
• 59:25
  Speaker 16: Okay, so this is produce. Deuce has our Hollywood correspondent,
• 59:30
  Speaker 16: so to speak. Why do you what happened with with
• 59:33
  Speaker 16: the old show The Office that used to be one
• 59:35
  Speaker 16: of my favorite shows. Do you think that they disbanded
• 59:38
  Speaker 16: and split that up because of like movie career opportunities
• 59:41
  Speaker 16: and they just couldn't stay cohesive or did it just
• 59:44
  Speaker 16: have its run or you know what's your thought?
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it just had its run. I mean
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: it went a while, right.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you get the ten seasons.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you get the ten seasons.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's you're asking for much more.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Nine seasons. Yeah, that's Ten's usually the magic number when
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: when all the producers then make all their money and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: in selling the shows off into syndication, which is that's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: where the big bucks are.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 17: But were you show yourself?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of the show, and I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: mean I I you know, not to be all this,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: but I love the British version first, which was what
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you know, Ricky Gervais did, which was brilliant. And then
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: when I heard that they were making the remake of this.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I was. I think I was just maybe my first
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: or second year working for the production company, but I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to get on the show so bad. I love
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: the mockumentary style, like going back to spinal tape, Like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I've just always loved that that style, and I was,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I was desperate to try to get on that show.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think I tried hard enough obviously, But yeah,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: my son's watching it now, so every morning it's on
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: our TV, so I get to relive all of them.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: But I think they should have had one show because obviously,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like the premise of the show is like someone's filming them,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like do a show about the crew that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: was filming them, Like, like what they think of this
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: office that they were assigned to to cover for ninety.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Less season of the show?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: What pretty much less they did that they did?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: It incorporated him at the end, they actually did.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think I watched the last season. I think
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I always kind of like the mystery. You didn't even
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: know what they were actually shooting.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: Remember remember the and and again. Because it's off season,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 8: we had the latitude.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 18: To talk about something like this.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: But but well, you know, do so, and I'll get
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: off the line here so that we can keep moving.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: But remember duc and you can tell part about this
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: or or we could share this together. They had that last,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 8: well one of the last episodes where Pam was attacked
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: by the guy that ruined her mural with painting butts
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: on her mural. Uh and and the the camera guy
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: like saved her from because she painted his trunk over
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: like to vandalize this truck.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: In response, I was out of the show.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I saw that one. I don't think I saw the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: last because I think it kind of jumped the shark
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: For me.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: It is for me, yeah, yeah, yeah, with.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: Like Will Ferrell and all.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that came, I know it all.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they for indulging me on the off season snippet.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: There no problem.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and you guys enjoyed the show off force. Paul's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: missed whenever he's not there.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: So all right, thanks Chris.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Oh wow, I love the the British version so much.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: The big Hollywood's over there, like, dude's got to remind
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: me of the British. I like the American version better,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: the purest.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: No, the American version did end up being better. The
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: pilot was a total rip off of just what the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: BBC version was, but it's uh, the guy who was
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Dwight is this character Gareth that is just his own unique,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: weird brilliance as well. But a lot of it, a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: lot of it is very similar. But it's a great show.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: Also, Pam's the worst. Pam's like Pam, Pam is the worst.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't really care all that much either.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: Pam is honestly, hands down one of the worst like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: TV characters in terms of, like if you actually look
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: at her story arc and how much of an a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: hole she is to everybody in her life, like she's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: She's just not you know. It's one of those things
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: were like, She's supposed to be this sweet, you know, secretary,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: nice girl, and then you actually, like so you were
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: engaged and then you clearly were cheating on your husband
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: to be.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: With Motions with the new guy, and then.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: You know, you threw him away to go to art
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: school for like a year. I know, I like this.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I like the Evan.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I think he really likes the problem.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: The first girl that Jim was with before Pam.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Oh uh yeah, yeah, you know, Casey Jo and Brashida Jones.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and like breaks that relationship up when he
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: was actually happy with Rashida Jones. But just you know,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: Pam's got to get hers, so breaks that relationship up.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to throw this to my son today. See
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: what he thinks about this, since he's in the thick
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of the office right now.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Pam is bitch. I'm bitch Chris and Virginia. My
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: bull takes are there will not be a cornerback or
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: a wide receiver in the first two days, and if
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: they don't make the playoffs next year, then Bill will
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: not be the coach in twenty four ps. I love
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: the Evan edition, especially this time of the year with
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: the draft. So he's saying the Patriots will not pick
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: a cornerback or wide receiver of rounds one, two, or three.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I would I would be pretty bummed out about that.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I think those are two positions
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: along with maybe tight end, that I feel like they
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: can't miss out on in this draft, just for the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: long term needs. I mean, I guess I would listen
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to an argument with receiver. I wouldn't like it, but
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I could listen to the fact that, Hey,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a slot who's gonna come in
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: here and be the guy right away? I guess. But
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: if you don't get a cornerback on a tight end
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: from this school, from this class, I think you're missing out.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Alex and Charlotte had a quick question for Evan. We
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: can agree tackle, cornerback, and wide receiver are the major
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: needs this year, but edge and linebackers can be a
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: secondary need later in the draft. I know Bill has
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: been hesitant to add small or more athletic linebackers to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: the team, but a while back, Evan mentioned about how
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Bill in a way came up with the moneybacker position
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: that we see Dugger play and occasionally as a hybrid
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: safety linebacker. Could this be a way for Bill to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: flirt with the idea of having a smaller linebacker or
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: have or dive deep down or is this diving too
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: deep in the rabbit holes exactly?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that the problem is I should phrase
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: it that way. I think that his argument is based
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: off of his actions, is that he would rather give
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: up that, let's say ten pounds in weight to have
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: a more dynamic coverage player. So the higher, you know,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: the prototype at linebacker. Now the Fred Warner is the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: two thirty two thirty five linebacker that can cover and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: can move in space and things like that. I think
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: Bill looks at that and says, would I rather have that?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: Or would I rather have Adrian Phillips, who is a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: coverage guy by instinct, you know, and by trade, instead
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: of trying to make it happen with a linebacker who's
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: a little bit heavier. That's why I think that they
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: have all these safeties, Like I think that's why they
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: have Dugger, and that's why they have Phillips, why they
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: have Peppers, is because they feel like, well, we're giving
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: up in a little bit of size is worth it
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: because we're getting a more dynamic coverage player.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: The dialogue between Evan and Caleb continues. Caleb counters. He says,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: agree to disagree, Evan, You're absolutely correct about the variations
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: of the deep routes to run. However, I hard disagree
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: that they primarily run deep routes. Only Jalen Hyatt and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Princeton Fant have some of the cleanest catches running a
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: curl En route or slant in the middle. I never
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: mentioned inter separ ratio with Hooker. I said he was
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: touted as one of the best decision makers, which he was,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: But hey, I'm not the professional who watched two hours
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: of film between Hooker, Hyatt, and Tillman. Just the guy
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: who's seen every snap they've put on the field in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: the sec OK strenuously.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Do me a favor, Go read Caleb about the Art
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: Briles Baylor offense and the history of that offense and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: the progression res for quarterbacks and things like that, because
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: that's the offense in Knoxville right now. It's the Baylor
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: offense from yesteryear that lit up college football with Art
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: Briles before all that went up in flames. So that's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: the offense that they're running. It's not a progression full
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: field read offense. Just isn't like that at the core
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: of it. It's that's just not what it is. They
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: do run some quick game concepts. I'm not saying everything's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: a go route, and I don't even think I said
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: go route. They do run some quick game concepts and
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: some RPOs that I guess could lend themselves to some
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: of those slants and ins and things like that that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: he's talking about. But the nature of the the art
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: Briles Baylor offense is a one read type of offense,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: and that's that's a big concern that I have with Hooker.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: That's it. Thank you, Okay, thanks for the emails.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: There you go. Claire Rights in Hello everyone, Hello Marine,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Hello Marine. I have no question, but I'm just writing
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: to ask if you guys would please please give a
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: show out to my buddy Hutter. It's from Manchester. He's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: a huge fan of the show. But you already know this,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: and it's his birthday weekend, so could you please wish
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: him a happy birthday? Now? People have weekends now weekend birthday, Yeah,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: week the whole weekend is devoted to you.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, sounds.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Like I just want to I just wanted to get breakfast.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: That was my thing. Oh no, that I need a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: good breakfast and a good dinner.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: But anyway, happy birthday, Shutters.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Happy birthday for.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Whenever it falls.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: Happy birthday.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole week would be nice. It's the month
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: of deuce.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Now as we get to Ori, it's fred. I just
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I hope my birthday just falls by the wayside and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: people leave me alone for a day and I can
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: eat what I want.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: That's pretty much my hopes for Okay. Speaking of shout outs,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Barton Poland says Doug Kayite is one of the best
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Patriots reporters out there. Unfortunately his daughter has cancer. Yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: so if anyone is willing to help and support his
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: daughter and his family, there's a go link on gofund
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: me set up by his friend on Doug's Twitter. So yeah,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: we were talking about that before the show. Really tough
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: his daughters too, I believe. So yeah, if you feel
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: like you want to support, go to Doug Kaites Twitter.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: It's tough.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Doug's a great guy, I mean, and he's like Evan
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: and me. I think he was one of the like
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: any Patriots draft bloggers like two thousand and seven, two
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: thousand and eight, he's, you know, somebody who started this
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: like we did with his passion A long time at
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Nelson was a pff but he's he's a great guy.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's I mean, it's I want him more around
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: because I think he's a great you know, member of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the media here in New England. But yeah, if you
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: guys can can help him out at all, definitely, he's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: a great guy and could use it.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Bart also says he's talking about Dane Brugler's beast, and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: he's got a seven round mock for the Patriots, and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: he believes it's one of the best that he's seen
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: See about that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: He's got Broderick Jones going in the first round. Then
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Josh Down's wide receiver out of North Carolina. I mean
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: that's the second round. That third round, Clark Phillips the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: third cornerback out of Utah small, So he goes o
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: T wide receiver, cornerback for the first three picks. Then
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: he goes defensive tackle Byron Young out of Alabama. And
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: then with the he's got two more fourth round picks.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: The Patriots have Blake Freeland another tackle, this one out
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: of b b YU, Dylan Horton, edge rusher out of TCU.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Then he goes to the sixth round. Elijah Higgins wide receiver,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: tight end out of Stanford. D Winters, linebacker out of TCU,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Alex Forsyth corner winter a center out of Oregon.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Oregon centers of interesting.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Alex Forsyth, Kenny McIntosh running back out of Georgia in
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: the sixth round, yep in the sixth round, and Kavon
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Merriweather Safety out of Iowa, last pick on the seventh round.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: I definitely think that some of those guys are going
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: to be guys that are interested. And I'm with you
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: on Clark Phillips though, do five eight small line. It's
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: how many more of those can we possibly have? But
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: McIntosh is saying running back prospect. If Dan has him
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: going in the sixth round, then maybe the league is
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: a little bit lower on him than some of the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: consensus points that I have seen. I've seen more like
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: fourth or fifth round. But he uh, he's just like
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: that classic like Ben Jarvis greenellis just gonna not fumble,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: get the yards that are there, run tough between the tackles,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: finished runs.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Here for four years, Yeah, than gone.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just not going to do anything flashy or special.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: But he's a solid rotational back, so I can see
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: them interested in him too.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Floyd has issue with me. He's out of Redford, Michigan.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: He says, Fred, I like you, but a couple of
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: your jawd male discussions bothered me. At a time when
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the NFL needs more African American coaches and general managers,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you seem more concerned about discussing Steve Belichick please see below.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: When word came out about Girod Mayo having a schedule
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: interview with the Carolina Panthers for potential head coach opportunity,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: you brought up his title, his job title, and what
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: he actually does. But if Steve Belichi Check ever came
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: up for a head coach opportunity, would you bring up
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: his job title and what he actually does? To be fair,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: maybe you would.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: I when it comes to Gerard Mayo, I just don't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: know exactly what he's done. I'm sorry, you know, that's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: just it. You know. That's the problem here is like
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: he's kind of like you know, been all around the place.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: And when it came to like just recently, like now
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: he's assistant head coach, what does that mean? What does
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: it mean? And I've always said, like, okay, you get
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: the interview as a head coach. My first question is,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: you know, Gerard, what is it that you've done that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: makes you believe that you, you know, are ready to
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: be a head coach.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: I don't think he thinks he's ready to be a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: head coach off of his commerceation the other day.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, you know. And he also says on
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Tuesday's recent show, someone brought up Girard Mayo talking and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: somehow you redirected the conversation with Steve Belichick again. I
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: was surprised that he was talking on behalf of the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: defense because now he's assistant head coach, and I thought
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Steve would talk on behalf of the defense. You know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying here. It's not it's it's not
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Girod's fault. It's like how they've handled his role here.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: You know, It's like we just don't know, Like we
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: hear that he's the guy that presents the defense in
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: the meetings. What does that mean, Like, who's the guy
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: that decides what the defense would be week to week?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: Belichick?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, but like so so, then exactly what is
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Girod doing?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: I just don't know exactly what is any of that
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: staff doing. Ye Like, not to say that none of
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: them are doing anything of value. I'm not trying to
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: say that, but that's my biggest thing with Gerard, with Steve,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: with Brian, with Mike Pellegrino, go right on, at least.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: We on game day, you see Steve calling the defense.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: You see, all right, he's play calling. He's calling the plays,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: you know. Okay, Gerard's Mayo's name has been in the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: news as possibly being bill successor, which to me as
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: an African American, is a big deal. But instead of
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: leading the discussion that direction, Steve Belichick was somehow brought
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: up again. I don't know, you must have missed the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: shows where we talk, like, you know, for a long
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: time about Gerrod being the successor. So I don't know,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's really any comparison to what Gira
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Mayo and Steve Belichick are doing right now, like I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think it works well as
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: a partnership and you see them always together. But even
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: what we just kind of speculate about what we know
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: is that he is the team guy. He's talking to
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: the team. I mean, Steve is probably in the game
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: calling the plays, you know, but if you had to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: look to a leader of the defense, it feels like
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: it's JIROB. Mayo. I'd also just point out DeMarcus Covington,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: who coached down at the Senior Bowl. He's another rising
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: African American coach here in New England as well. That
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, as much attention as GIROB Mayo gets, I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: think DeMarcus Covington is another guy that deserves some of that.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: And he finishes up, he says, may I ask, why
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: do you bring up Steve Belichick's name during GIROD Mayo discussions?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Because they're tied to the hit.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: They are they're always together, you know.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: They're always together. And I think part of the issue
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: is is Bill wants to have Steve as the DC.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: But maybe it's perception, you know, the whole thing. But
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: like I liked Geron Mayo's great, you know, like he's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: he's a smart guy. But whenever I ask people, okay,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: like what has he done to show that he's been
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: a head coach? A head coach you know, can be one,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Like well, he worked at Putnam and he went into
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: the business world. So I don't want to hear that anymore.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Like and and again this is Bill's fault, Like we
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly what Gerard does here, and maybe he
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: has behind the scenes proven that, wow, this guy is
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: head coach, timber, but like we don't know that, Like I,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: you know, there's no evidence that I have of it
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: except for you know.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: No, But but all we can speak to is what
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: we've We've been in his presence and spoken with him,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: and I mean he has everything. Oh he possibly wants
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: to lead your team to leave your franchise.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're told that he definitely has leadership qualities, you know,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: and that's great. And like, if you're gonna tell me, like,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: between Steve Belichick and Gerard, who's the next head coach,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: It's going to be Gerard Mayo, no question. I mean,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: there's not even a question there. Steve Belichick is miles
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: away from being ready to be a head coach. And
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: you know, but like the reason why those two guys
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: come up in the conversation is because they're both kind
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: of doing the same job.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: They're playing catch before every practice out there together like
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: talking to also.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Like as just outsiders looking in, we've for the last
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: few years we've been trying to figure out who does
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: what when it comes to the defense, and I thought
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: this year would be the year where Gerard would kind
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: of be elevated above that and really be truly an
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: assistant head coach and Steve would be more just focused
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: on defense and Gerard would be more getting the experience
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: I need to be a head coach. So one day,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: I'm with special teams, I'm hanging out with the offense,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: I'm with the I'm with Bill, I'm with Bill O'Brien
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: and with the court. You know, like he's doing kind
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: of all of it. I thought he would do more. So,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: like so when he was representing the defense in that
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: recent availability, I was a little surprised, Yeah, because I
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: thought he was above that.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Now you wonder if he was more involved in the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: draft process this year. I mean, these are all things
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: that would happen behind the scenes that we would have
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: no idea where he's gotten, you know, all new access
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: this spring that we have.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Right you know, you know when McDaniel's famously said Bill
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: is going to open up his world to me, that's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: what the picture we had is draft room. You know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: all the things that Bill does, you know, and I
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: figured this year Gerard would be kind of doing that.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: He did mention scouting a couple of times that he
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: loves to scout, and so maybe he has been watching
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: a little bit more film on some of the college
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: guys and helping out in that regard. But in terms
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: of what he does from everything that I've gathered, it's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: like I said on Tuesday. It's a lot of the presenting,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: a lot of the forward facing stuff, right, he's kind
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: of the face of that all you know, what's it
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: in restaurant world, like the guy that's yeah. And then
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: I think the other thing is is that because he played,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: he has a really good teaching side of him out
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: on the practice field where he can say to Juwan Bentley,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: you know, why don't you try attacking you know, his
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: outside hip and then maybe you know, throw the hand
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: here or whatever, like he can get into the real
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: nitty gritty of the techniques that they're using, and they're
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: coaching from the schematic x's and o's side of it.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not entirely sure how much of it that he's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: really doing, But as a head coach, I think that
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: you are the CEO of your team absolutely, and I
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: think some of the things that Drod does are actually
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: more important in terms of grooming for a head coach
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: than being one of these guys that's like a wizard
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: with a play sheet.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, we were told like when he was
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: a player that he was a mini bill. You know,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: he like he was in early outlay, watching film, just
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: eating it up, just loving it.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: You know, I think too.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know exactly, you know, how it
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: gets sussed out, but the product on the field these
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: past four years defensively has has been really good. I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: mean just I know that they've had their shortcomings against
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: some of the better teams, but just as far as
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: game planning, I mean, he talks so much about game
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: planning defense, and I love talking to him about that
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: stuff sometimes during the coach's availabilities. But I think it's
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: a great reflection just upon you know, we know what
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: happened with the offense last year. You haven't seen that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: drop off schematically from the defense. And I know that
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: that probably comes from Bill and that you know, Steve
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: as I hand in it as well. I'm sure with
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: the play calling. But I just like that direction of
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: how they're continuing to handle the defense. And I think
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: if they can, you know, just get a couple more pieces,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: I think they could really really, you know, get to
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: that next level.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I think defensively, the reason why the Patriots
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: can roll out of bed and still win eight games
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: every year, even with the offenses and shambles spin that Dome,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: is because they have his level of sophistication on defense.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: It's always going to exist as long as Bill is here,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: and I think that's really where a lot of that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: defensive prowess comes from.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Kyle and Pembroke says, I think it's a little ridiculous
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: to keep comparing Mac to Brady and saying, well, Brady
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: earned the right. Belichick stunted Max's development as a player,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: threw him under the bus, and is responsible for the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Patriots being mediocre. Mac has been through more than enough
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: in his past year to justify being upset, and it's
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: not something he has to earn. Mac deserves a chance
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: to show he can be the guy, which I believe
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: he can be if he's surrounded by a football team
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: and not a circus.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: Wow, there's some Do me notice Fred that there's there's
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: some angry people.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: You know, like if we're you know, very if we're
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: getting people riled up, you know.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: That's not our you know, that's that's not necessarily our goal.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: No, it isn't. But like you know, everyone has their opinion.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: People coming after us personally.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Some people listen, come on, we're out there. We got
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: to be able to take it. Williams and philam on
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: the ACE Ticket hotline. What's up, Willem, what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: How you doing?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 12: All right?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 17: To the uh, I guess to the caller your I
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 17: guess the last caller? Was it or was it an
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 17: email that you read?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: I just turned in a little bit too late.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 17: But I just want to say, also, like to what
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 17: he's saying to where he's not coming at y'all, because
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 17: I don't have no problem with.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Any of you.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 17: You know, we all have our fans and stuff, and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 17: I think y'all a hell of a podcast basically, first
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 17: of all, so that's why I always call him and
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 17: what not. But you know, just Bill, Bill need to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 17: just put his stubbornness to the side. Okay, Mac moved on.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 17: You need to move on as a clean but you know,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 17: you come on like you know, we're supposed to be.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 17: It's about the team at this point now. I mean,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 17: you know that was then and now, so can we
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 17: just move on? You know, it just seemed like he's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 17: still gonna hold this grudge, you know, because he went
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 17: over your head and whatever like that. Okay, I mean,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 17: just can we just move on at this point?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: I hear you, and I think that's what they're doing.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I think when Bill O'Brien talked last week, you know
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: he mentioned or this week he mentioned a couple of
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: times clean slate, clean slate, and I think some other
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: maybe another coach mentioned it as well. That's coming from Bill,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: you know. So at some point, if he hasn't already
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: done it, he has to sit down with Mac and
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: say listen, yeah, clean slate. Forget about last year. We're
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: moving on. So I think I think you're right, William,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: that's what they have to do.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 17: Yes, I agree, And uh, just one question for Evan. Evan,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 17: so what do you think of as two bide receivers though?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 17: And do you think we can get any one of these?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 17: Maybe between the fourth I guess maybe a third and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 17: fifth round, between third, fourth and fifth round. Jonathan Mingo
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 17: from Ole Miss and also Rice for a week.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: What you think that's your guy?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I like him. I like him. I like him
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: late though. Yeah.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: So Mingo is a really fun prospect six foot three,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: two twenty with a four to four forty. He's got that,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: he's got that aj brown build right where. He's thicker guy,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: but can can run. I think that, you know, the
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: Old Miss comparisons and the size and the speed gets
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: a little bit of AJ Brown type of buzz. I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: don't think he's as good as AJ Brown, but I
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: think he's got a similar skill. I can get up
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: the field. The speed really pops off the film with him,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: Like when you watch him run across the field or
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: on a vertical route, he can really test the defense
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: with his speed. And then he's got that rocked up
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: frame that he can bounce off tackles and run through
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: tackles as a yeah guy, he's not a separator though
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: at the top of the route. He's not a quick guy,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: and he's gonna have to use his body as a
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: shield and box guys out to make you know, catches,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: horizontal cuts and catches underneath the defense. But I'm fascinated
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: by the tools, like you know, the size and the speed.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: You're not a lot of guys that are two hundred
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: and twenty five pounds that are running a four to
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: four like that doesn't really exist too often. Bryce Ford Wheaton,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: I'm not as high on him as as Fredden and
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: as who loves it.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: He's six three two and he runs a four to
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: three eight.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: Because I didn't see that, I didn't see four three
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: eight on film. Okay, I also I didn't. He's stiff like,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: he's not a very fluid mover. He's just looks like
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: a little bit heavy footed. I was really surprised at
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: how good of his combine was. I gotta be honest
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: with you, based off of what I saw on tape,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: it might be one of those guys that's just really
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: really good in that environment at the combine, but doesn't
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: really translate the football fast. Maybe I'm wrong on him,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: but I didn't necessarily see his dynamic of an athlete,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: the slow.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Track in the a sec. There you go, slow track?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Trust all right?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks William like mingo though, Yeah, I just checked our lads.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: They have Ford Wheaton going in the fifth or sixth round.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds about right.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll get drafted with that combine for sure.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Alex in Toronto. What's up, Alex?
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  Speaker 18: Hey, how's it going good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 18: I love the show. I just think the comment on
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 18: the draft, I think they have to go, you know,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 18: offense in the first round at wide receiver tackle just
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 18: to give Max the help, and then I think you
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 18: go secondary in two and three. Love Darius Rush out
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 18: of South Carolina and Brown from Illinois. I think he's
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 18: a He's a great option for them for a mccording replacement.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm assuming you mean Sidney Brown more of a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: box safety than than a mccordy guy. I like kwand
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: Martin the other safety from Millinois a little bit more,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: and he's somebody that can be a little bit more
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: of that center fielder and translate to the deep part
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: of the field. But both guys, both those Illinois safeties
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: can play. I just remember Jalen Petrie. That's who Sidney
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: Brown reminds me a lot of. Is more of like
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: a line of at the line of scrimmage type of
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: blitz cover tight ends a little bit playing the box.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: The more I think about it, though, I just I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: don't see them taking a free safety, like drafting a
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: free safety. I think it's more like the thing we
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: talk about with like Moss and Ringo, you know, taking
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: a corner. We're not sure where he fits. If he's
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: smart enough, we'll get him into the defense, and then
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: maybe eventually he ends up there. But I just don't
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: see there being like, hey, we're gonna draft a Day
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: three free safety type who's gonna step into Devin McCarty's
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: role and play that. I just I got a real
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: real hard time seeing that. I think it's more likely
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: you take an early corner, plug him into the lineup,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: and then you're just kind of figuring that out with
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Miles Bryant and Jonathan Jones and you know that that whole.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Group, because don't forget, when they took mccordy, it wasn't
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: as a safety right, so.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: They had to move him over there, and you know,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, but I've set up before.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's what stands out to me most about
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: the twenty twelve defense was just it was bombs away
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: against them starting that Seattle game to Tavon Wilson, they
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: get kind of stuck with a bunch of his strong
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: safety types, and that, you know, was kind of the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: reason why mccordy ended up back there. I do think
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: it's very important. I just but it's such a headsy position.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's one where he's just so talented
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: we're gonna put him in free safety. I think that
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: that's more about does he have the mind for it? Okay,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: then he'll be able to do it. It doesn't have
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: to be like we have to get a game changer
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: right away right to replace them.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guy like Ringo fascinates me for that that
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: type of thing, just that speed, and then also his
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: you know, he's built, built really well, so he's gonna
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: be able to lay the wood too if you come
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: over the middle. I think he can play corner two
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: in the league, but his transitions are a little stiff,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: and he has trouble sticking with guys at the top
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: of their route. So maybe he move over to safety
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: and he doesn't have to cover guys like that on
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: an island where they can beat him on those cuts.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: So it's got the range.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, let's go to Matthew in New Mexico.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: What's up, Matthew? Oh, he's gone, all right? Matthew hung
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: on Hunter from Campbellsville, Kentucky. Oh, right's in. I'm not
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: out on Mac Jones yet. However, if Anthony Richardson or
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Will Levis fall to us at fourteen, I would gladly
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: take them. They are both raw, but have all the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: physical tools that Mac just does not have. Otherwise, my
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: dream scenario is to take either in the first round
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Flowers or Addison in this second round trade up for
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Dewan Jones in the second, trade back into the second
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: for either Gibbs or Washington.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: He's been listening to Alex Barth.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: If we are gonna stick with Mac, it's vital we
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: surround him with talented playmakers to get the most out
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: of him.
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  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: That's a question for the group. Like I one of
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: the things I struggle with is knowing exactly what side
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: they need to tackle for and if right tackles are
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: worth left tackle project projections, you know, Like, I don't
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: think anyone's gonna fault them for taking Paris Johnson, Broder Jones,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: even Scronsky if they really think he's a left tackle.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: But as we get into like the more of the
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: right tackle stuff, like how important is that now?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: And I know that that it's less about your left sides,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: your passing side, your right sides you're running. I know
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: teams are more balanced than that now and tackles have
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: more value on both sides. But I just wonder, is
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: it really say they trade down in the twenties, is.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: That worth a right tackle?
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: There?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: Is that like a critical Like I guess.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: The left tackle part of it, I just don't know
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: if you put the same measure.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: On a right tackle, and is that just I think
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: it depends on who your quarterback.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: I think it really I think the more mobile your
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: quarterback is, the more right tackle comes into play, even
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: if your quarterbacks are writing because he's moving around.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Like historically left tackle has been the most valid because
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: it's the blind side. You know, your quarterbacks sitting in,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: you know, and you got to protect the blind side.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: But like what you know, like if a guy's mobile,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: what's your blind side? You know?
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know this is everybody talks
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: about tackle. I just don't think that there's enough kind
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: of delineation. I mean we talk plenty about well he's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: a slock corner. Is that you know, that doesn't really
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: fit exactly what they need. They got a lot of
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: slot corners, but everybody just kind of lumps the tackles in.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Particularly in this team. Versatility has always been an attribute
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: like that they look for, you know, the more you
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: can do. They always like guys who can do more
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: than one thing, unless you're like elite at that one.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: They like guys who can, you know, do different things.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that translates even to wide receiver. I
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: don't think they, you know, high, would draft a guy
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: who's just a slot guy. You know, I don't think
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: they do that.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that that's archaic. But I think
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: with the right tackles.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: You think that that nine set's archaic. Yes, you should
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: be able to Well how good does he have to be?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Though for you to take the guy if he can
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: do just one thing?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between him playing in one
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: spot and being able to just do one thing. I guess.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: You know, like a slot like Zay Flowers who can
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: run routes at all three levels, but is probably going
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: to run him from inside. That's still a pretty versatile player, right,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: and you can still move that player around and you
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: can still have him attack different areas of a defense.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: I could understand, like a guy like Jackson Smith and Jig,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: but is a slot who's really a first and second
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: level player. He's not somebody that has the speed to
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: really test defenses at that third level down the field,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: So maybe he's a little bit more pigeonholed into a
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: skill set. The right tackle left tackle thing is fascinating though,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: because it's in the past they've always put the bulldozers
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: on the right side and then the guys with the
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: dance and bears on the left side. Is that still true, Like,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: do they still believe in that those types of archetypes.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: Because Trent Brown has played left and right, but he
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: played left last year, he played left in eighteen, and
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: he's not that athletic, Nate Soldier type of tackle. So
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: it is interesting to see where they go with it.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: I think in this draft too, the left tackles are
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: at the tip tip top of the draft and then
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: in fourth round and on and then in the middle
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: or all the right tackles. So if you don't take
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: a tackle at fourteen that can play on the left side,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: you're probably not taking a left side tackle until the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: fourth round. Now at that point, what are you getting
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: a guy that can play in a starting role or
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: are you really just looking at more of a swing tackle.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: So if you don't take that left tackle early, now
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: we're getting into Darnell Right, Dowan Jones.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, and I'm sure that there's been
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: some mocks with Darnell Right going at fourteen, and I
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: just I wonder would they if they see him as
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: a right tackle maybe has to move inside kind of
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: a guy to them, is that not worth that fourteenth
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: overall pick? That's just way too soon? Or even you know,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Dewan Jones, is that like, what point is too early
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: for a right side only guy? If at all?
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: I don't and I really love Dewan Jones and Darnell right,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: but I think the other thing that you have to
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: think about is if Trent Brown's the other tackle, you
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: don't really have a ton of athleticism at tackle now.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: So if you want to run toss schemes, stretch schemes,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: things like that, who's getting the corner? Like, you're not
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: either direction. So that's why guys like Paris Johnson and
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: Broderick Jones makes so much sense for them if that's
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: the direction they want to go and.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Put Trump back on the right sie. It just gives
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: you something different through the athleticism on the left side
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: of the young kid. It might be some you know,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: some growing pains, but I mean that that makes sense.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: It's just it's hard to see when all right, we
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: got Dewan Jones, now we have Dewan Jones, Trent Brown,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: some other old right tackles, Calvin Anderson, maybe you know,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: has some sympt about but it's just it seems like
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of big, immobile kind of guys and I
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: don't I just I think you get kind of stuck.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, Calvin Anderson would certainly be the most athletic
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: guy out of that group, So maybe he's somebody that
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: you project on the left side. But then you get
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: into the whole blind side thing. It's like, if do
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: you want how much do you really trust to Brodert Jones,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: who's a little raw as a past protector, protecting the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: blind side for a pocket passer, you know, not somebody
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: that's going to be able to escape it on his
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: own necessarily. It's it's a fun conversation.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Just from Connecticut. Tried Jersey Mikes for the first time
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, and I've gotten it once a
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: week since. No addiction. That is all. Yeah, you're welcome,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: it's good stuff.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Head up yesterday. Actually, oh yeah, yeah, I got that
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: was one of my one of my birthday one of
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: my birthday present, twenty five dollars gift.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: Card of Jersey Mike came around.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: My family knows me.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Let's see Cole and Eugene Oregon, Evan told us, all
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: of us on PU fans to shut up and stop
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: complaining about the lack of weapons on the team because
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are having talks about training for a receiver
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: like d hop or Jerry Judy. Any chance that's going
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: to happen before the draft is over? Or was that
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: just snarky reply and totally baseless?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Oh see I said this This was like week Yeah,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: that was I think like you scold everyone to, you know,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: because it was like the complaining.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: It was day two a free agency.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: But now in hindsight where their complaints valid.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: Talk to me in a week.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're still saying there's hope then, of course Judy
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: hasn't always hope.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Howkins done? Look like you want to come here? Budes?
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Technically that was interesting.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: We need to talk about that. Help now. Who was
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: the person interviewing because that was an interesting way of
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: getting an answer.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: It was one of the busting guys.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was one of those guys, like one of
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: those player podcasts so.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: People can see it. They asked, you know, Hopkins, like
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: where you'd want to go or if you'd want to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: go to a certain place, and you weren't allowed to
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: say anything. So Hopkins can only buy body language say
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: whether or not he'd want to go there, and the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: body language for the Patriots was not good. It was
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: like nah. And then Kansas City and the Bills, obviously
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: with two great quarterbacks and contenders for the Super Bowl
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: the last few years, it was like, Okay.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean, I'm sure he has some
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: respect for Bill Belichick. But if you're at that age
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: in your career, you really are picking where you want
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: to go, you want to probably go to one of
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: the teams you're going to be. You know, you've got
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: an immediate shot. I mean that's yeah, I don't hold that.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: But that was that was interesting. It was a clever
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: way of doing it.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: That's where you're at. Though. Guys like Hopkins, guys like
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: Odell they don't want to come here. They don't want
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: to come here. They're not going to come here at.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: The will if you pay him, I don't know they
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: will if you if you pay him more than anyone else,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: they'll come here.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I think Bill still has you know, some cachet. I
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: mean Juju talked about you know, but it's look, you're
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: one of the also rants right now. It's not a
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: destination and until you start you have those teams you
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: gotta do.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: Guy like guy like Juju, you you pay him more
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: than anybody he comes a guy like Hopkins that has
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: all these suitors and is probably gonna get paid regardless.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: Right, So if money's if money is the same, then
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: you go to a place where I get where do
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: I have the best chance?
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: But how much how much money? Like how much above
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: the market do you really need to be because I
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: don't I think the days of just being a couple
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: million dollars above market, like that's not I don't think
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: that's going to cut it.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Guarantee how much guarantee.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: You don't, Yeah, it's I mean, I think you're right.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: It's guys like Kendrick Bourne that you know. It's that
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: extra one or two million that you're offering that no
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: one else says. It's not about like the high end guys.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: But that's the same thing as Juju. You know, it's
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: probably the best offer he had. I'm sure to Kansas City.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: I think I saw Kansas City was interested at least
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: maybe they.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: Tried to bring him back, but the Patriots outbid them.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see. Cole also says my priorities for the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: first round of this draft are corner and tackle. We
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: can pick up a wide receiver next year when the
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: crop is better, and they'll be developed by the time
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: we trash Mac Jones and replace them with a quarterback
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: with less Toddler attitude and more talent. Oh wow, these
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Patriots fans.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: He wants Marvin Harrison junior.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure the talent that much better.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Paul and Norwood mass right down the road. I would
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: agree with the notion that in today's NFL of running
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: back it's typically not worth spending a first round pick
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: on what if the Patriots or another thing. But see
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Bejean Robinson as more of a dynamic offensive player the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: next Debo rather than the next se Quon. While Bijon
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: only had sixty receptions in three years at Texas, Deebo
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: only had twenty five carries in four years at South Carolina.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Imagine the stress that an extraordinary athlete could put on
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: a defense trying to match personnel when you don't know
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: if he'll be lining up in the batfield, out wide,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: or in the slot. Admittedly, this would take a projection,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: but if Robinson is a superior athlete, to the other
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: skilled position players. Wouldn't this be worth consideration?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: He's a running back.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a running back, And I mean we could
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: maybe talk that with Gibbs, like you know that he's
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: more of a weapon kind of a guy if we're
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: still using that term. But so the what's the path
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: with Bjon? How do you have to beat teams every week?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: If that's your offense? What has to go right every week?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: And everybody always people that use the devo comparison. The
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: Jaguars tried this with Travis Etn. Urban Meyer drafted Travis
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: Etn thinking that he was going to be this like
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: slot slash running back, hybrid offensive weapon. It's like, then,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: just go get a slot receiver, Like why are you
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: trying to make a running back into a wide receiver
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: when you can just draft a wide receiver like that.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: That's the part of it that I don't really fully understand.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: So I feel like they get so much in their
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: own heads and they're like, well, they're gonna match us
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: with base personnel, and then he's lined up on a
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: linebacker now, and that's how I even try to you know,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: I just you're overthinking it.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: It did definitely because the amount of times that a
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: package that a team puts on the field really forces
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty three defenses to put base personnel. It's like
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: very few and far between it.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake and Bendigo Australia. Just wanted to say how
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: disappointed I was when listening to the end of the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: running back draft reviews. Oh no, it was said there
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: would only be one more show and it wasn't about
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: special teams. One of our big holes right now and
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: no show for it. Get Alex barth In and let's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: find out which punters we should be taking.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, good email.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, you don't.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: Want to do an hour on Adam. I mean he
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: said it was from Australia. Oh that's what he's getting at,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: isn't it. That's what he's getting He wants his assie talked.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: About Ryan and Lincoln Nebraska. I'm in the same place
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: as I always am this time of year, anticipating the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: draft with twenty players I really like, yet knowing that
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: Belichick will select none of them. Ultimately, I feel we
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: end up trading down in the first day for two picks,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: and I'd be fine with that. What are your thought
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: thoughts that the that the play being I don't know
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: what that means. Trade down a target branch with the
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: first round pick. I feel Belichick will lean toward the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball come the twenty eighth. Love
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: all the content, Appreciate what you all do.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: I just can't rule that that branch pick out, like
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: it just seems completely redundant and isn't going to really
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: move the needle what they need. But you know, he's
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: an Alabama guy that plays, is probably gonna be like
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: a strong safety type guy. I hope, I hope it's not.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: But I, like I said, I can't ignore him. It's
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: just because he's he's really good.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if this was two years ago or three years
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: ago with Kyle Duggar.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: You know that makes sense.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: Adam and Arlington Virginia says Hopkins won't come because he
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: and Bill O'Brien hate each other. Did you forget what
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: happened in Houston? You can't discount that, Like, does he
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: still hold a grudge there?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it too.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 5: I personally, I don't think it's the biggest reason why
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: he won't come here, but I think it's a factor.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Let's see James Pettigrew the most interesting
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Patriots fan of the world. Rights in rank in order
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: of likelihood are positioned in the AFC East at the
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: end of the season. Here's mine from most likely to
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: least third, most likely, and then it goes down to fourth,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: second and first. So he's saying most likely.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Third, most likely, third.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. I think they they, you know,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: jump over Miami, but the Jets are going to be tough,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Assuming it happens. Yeah, I'm still waiting there, right, yep,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: maybe we get Ad.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: That's so Jets to have that fall apart, so.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: It would be so Jets, and it'd be so Jets
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: for Belichick to go grab him like, I don't know.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: They're still holding on TI, I am. I appreciate telling
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: you I appreciate the commitment.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Next week at this time, two weeks from right now,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: let's see.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Kyle from Pembroke says, I apologize if I came off
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: as coming directly at you guys. I'm just tired of
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: hearing Brady being brought up. Whenever Mac is being up,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: is upset, Mac being upset is brought up. No quarterback
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: compares to Brady. Ever, Mac Jones will never be Brady,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: and that's fine. I just want to see the Patriots
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: move forward and be successful. I think you guys do
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: an amazing job, and I enjoy listening draft question, so
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: I don't waste your time. Who do you want most?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Zay Flowers, Darnell Washington or Gibbs Say Flowers, that's easy.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: Everybody's a Flowers.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I got I mean, I
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: love Washington. I mean I think he's fun to watch.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 8: I do.
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  Speaker 1: I do have real questions though, just if he's ever
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be an athlete? You know, like he just doesn't
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: look like a natural. I mean, now Washington, the big
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: tight end from Georgia, I mean, he just never looks natural.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: You know, he's like fair to and Bartha isn't here
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 5: yet to hear this. I wish he was. Is it
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: fair to say Darnel Washington's getting a little overrated?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm getting at. Like he's really big.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: And long and and and certainly has value in the
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: blocking game. But I just, you know, I just is
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: he ever going to be a natural athlete in space?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Who's gonna shake loose from guys in and get open,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'm sure he'll make hundreds of contested
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: catches because he's got that kind of size and body.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: But I just the more I watch him, I'm like,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: he's the number.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: One tight end. I'm like, like for what like? Because
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: I think some of these other guys might move the
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: needle as overall players, even though he's got this incredible
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: size and link that you know no one else has.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Is I just I think there might be a handful
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: of other tight ends in this class that are more
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: well rounded players than he is. And we're all kind
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: of enamored with.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: The biggest upset of the combine was him running that
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: forty because he's a he's a strider.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: It's just not he's not natural.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: He builds. He's a train, right, he builds up to
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: that speed. I was absolutely shocked that he ran as
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: well as he did in the forty, and he came
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: in a little bit lighter than I think what he
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: played at Georgia. So I think he just put it
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: all on the line to get faster for the months
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: leading up to the combine. And you see why this
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: is why, right, what we're talking about, because he's just
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: not like you said. He's not sudden, he's not quick,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: he's not an instant accelerator off the line of scrimmage.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: He had forty five career catches at Georgia, and now
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: we're projecting him to have this massive leap where he
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: is an eighty catch guy in the NFL, right, And
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: I just I can't get there. I don't know if
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: he's got that type of natural receiving talent.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: I don't Josh and Dallas, I was wondering if there's
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: a chance of Patriots trade down and then use that
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: pick to get a receiver like Judy. Most agree that
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: pick number fourteen is too much, but if they trade
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: to the end of the first round, they would at
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: least recoup a Day two pick. Not saying it's going
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: to happen, but have you heard the Jets might do
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: something similar for Rogers since they don't want to give
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: pick thirteen away from him.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: For him, Oh so trade down and then said, yeah, now.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: We'll give you first because it's lower. Yeah.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've said it a few times.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think anybody's going to be
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: that upset if there's a little trade down. I think
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: trade out of the first round we probably would Riot,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of really good players that fit
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: them in the twenties that will still be there.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Uh bet, Brian from the Bay Area. Is it possible
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: the rumors that the Patriots were shopping mac Jones was
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: because they were trying to find out his value in
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: case Levis or Richardson fall to them. They would want
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: a trademark if they picked up one of those guys.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not out of the question.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, but I don't really know. But
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: do you really need to call around to find out
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: his value? Like, don't you think they probably know what
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: his value is? You know, I mean I'm speculating. I
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: don't know what do you think is value is like
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: a third or fourth rounder?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: Oh wow? Do you think I get a second round
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: pick for him?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: See? There you go? I guess right now, right even
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: in this room, you better call around to see what
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: his value is.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: I think that the problem is is that it's it'd
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: have to be a team that feels like it needs
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: a young quarterback in the room, but doesn't get that
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: quarterback in the draft and didn't take care of it
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: in free you know, right. So there's that's I think
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: where the value comes into play is that how many
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: teams actually fit that description? A team that needs a quarterback,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: didn't get it in the draft, didn't get it in
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: free agency. There's got a maybe one or two teams
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: fit that. Are the Raiders going to trade for Mac
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: Jones when they just signed Jimmy G. Like they give
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: Jimmy G a ton of guaranteed money, but Jimmy G's
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: a starter there in twenty twenty three based off the contract.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: So there's just not a ton of teams that fit
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: that exact description. So you could be right, it might
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: not be anywhere close to what they would want.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: Let's see Robin is Call writing in from the Catskills.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: He says to me, the perfect draft is to trade
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: down in the first, trade up in the second. I
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: think I already read this coming away with Darnell Wright
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Deontay Banks. Is this realistic?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: What do you think Dante Banks going in the first round?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean evan.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: Top top twenty five, I bet at least yeah, good player.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Okay. Let's see Raymond from Saint Louis wants to know
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: would you take two corners? In the draft, one early
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: and one in the later rounds.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but I also don't think they have a
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: huge numbers issue at corner. Like I just I'd love
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: to be targeted. I'd love to just get like, just
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: get Deontae Banks, you know, and then I'm good, you
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: got you know, Jack Jones, Marcus Jones, Brian, I mean,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: you've got a lot of bodies there. Now, I don't
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: know a good uh you know, fifth round corner is like,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: you know, unless it's this potential safety development or a
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: guy that you could see maybe on the back end
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: of the defense, but specifically targeting to like long corners
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: to that, I don't know if they need to do that.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: Colin and Rutgers rights in, Mike, I saw your big
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: board now it included Rutgers punter Adam Korsak, And I
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: just want to put on record that I am all
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: for drafting Corsack, as sad as it is to say,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: he was by far the most talented player with uh
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Pachico Gone. I also noticed that Bill was at Rutgers
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: coaching Clinic event speaking with coach Jiano this past weekend.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to consider Corsack a lock to be your
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: next punter.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: I I feel pretty good they're gonna draft a punter
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: this year. Like that seems like one of the like
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: if there were you know, I don't know statements of
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: fact that you believe. I think drafting a punter, I'm
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: not not as sold on a kicker, I think, but
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: and I think they could just u DFA probably both
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: those spots, but I think they'll probably take him or what.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Turk's the other one that made.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: Turk is the one they worked with at the Shrine Bowl.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: He's got a big leg. He's one of those.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Lefty it's just an oversized leg.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: That's a bar question.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: Uh likes the left left footed spin.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: Corsic is interesting though, because he he's got is Turk
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: lefty barth No, not a lefty. Corsic is interesting because
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: he has multiple all those clubs right, he can kick
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: it Assie style, he can kick it American, you know,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: traditional punts. I that's kind of fun. I don't know,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: punters not fun normally, but that's kind of fun.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: Like what do you want today?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: What you like?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe it changes it up on the
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: returner and like all of a sudden you have this
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: line drive Ozsie Rules punk coming at you and you're like,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: what the heck do I do like this?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: It's like a punk troll. He just he's going to
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: give you a screwy punt every time to do I
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: It's like a picture, you know. I've got five punts in.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: He said, I have different clubs that we can do anything.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: Out Hey, Marcel writes in I'd like to ask Evan
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: what he thinks about Isaiah McGuire out of Missouri. I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: like him as a stand up edge player to sit
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: behind Judnan while also pushing out Jennings for snaps. Early on.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: His Senior Bowl was pretty underwhelming, but I thought he
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: had one of the better tapes against Broderick Jones. He
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: was also Maszoo's sack and tackle for Lost Leader for
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: two straight years.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's the tape him against Broderick Jones. I
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: thought Broderick Jones was a little bit better than some
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: other people in that game. But Isaiah McGuire definitely showed
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: you a little bit of something with his hand fighting,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: in particular against Broderick, which is one of the issues
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: exactly like that. One of the issues that Brodick Jones
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: has is in his technique and his pas sets. So
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: I like Isaiah McGuire is like a fourth, fifth, sixth round,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: you know, somewhere there on day three. That's okay.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: He's a good one who's like you're going through the
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: PFF thing like Isaiah McGuire. Those guys that are always
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: just always sitting there doing a mock draft.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: I just I look at this edge class and there
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: realistically could be like nine or ten guys in the
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: top fifty at that position, and I just feel like
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: they might just want to come away with one of
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: those guys.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, what would you rather do? Stay put at fourteen,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: pick whoever you want, but or trade down get Zay
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Flowers later and pick up an extra second round pick B.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: You'd rather do B? Yeah, So there's no one at
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: fourteen that you would like?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: No, if we can, I mean there should be. I
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: mean I think, like you know, and if we're real
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: football talk.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: Like yes, I'm not talking about like somebody project the
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: top five the falls, I mean someone realistically at fourteen.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I would probably I would probably do
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: it just for the excitement and the potential of and
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: it might only last until July and then we'd be like, oh,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: we really don't screwed that one up. We should have
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: taken one of those left tackles or one of those
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: stud corners. But you know, I talk about going out
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: there on that Friday after the pick, going out there
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: and see z flowers, like it would be electric. Everyone
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: will be really fired.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: To be a little worried. He think I'm stalking him,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: but I swear I'm not. But they're not gonna get
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: a second round pick in a trade down, I don't
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: think unless they trade way down. So I don't know.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: That's a last year. It was the Commanders, and I
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: can't remember the team that they traded up with. They
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: one of the teams went from eleven to sixteen and
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: they got a third and a fourth back for that move.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: So that to me, I think if you're thinking about
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: trading down from fourteen to let's say nineteen twenty.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Like you're not getting a thirty something.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: You're not getting a second round pick out of it.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: Could you get another top one hundred, probably, but I
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: think you're looking at more like a package of third
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: and fourth or like a third this year and maybe
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: you get that second next year or something along those lines.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: But just getting a straight up second round pick and
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: the math doesn't work out there, and.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Then it gets dicey if you're talking about, well, we're
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: gonna trade down to thirty or five and then maybe
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: but still it's those.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: Small trade downs, right that that I think. I looked
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 5: at the what was traded last year, last couple of years.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 5: ESPN actually puts it all in one one sheet for you.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: I looked at that and I was like, I think
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: it'd be generous to say that you're going to get
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: a second round pick for a small trade down.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: Was those those three what is the three fourth round
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: picks I think that they have?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Like? Those are the ammo in the you know, to
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: get back up. I think in the second round.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: When they traded up for Barmore, they went from basically
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: the same exact spot. I think they were like forty
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: six to thirty eight or forty five to thirty eight
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: or something like that, and they gave up two fourth
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: round picks to get back up into the thirties.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: That's the move I think, to me get somebody at fourteen,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: then go up from from forty six and get into
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: the thirties.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: Maybe to get somebody.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, quick trivia game. These are all regular season stats
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: taken from Pro Football References site. First question and as
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: Damon Hewart, David Gibbons, and this player are the only
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: three Patriots of the early two thousands to attempt to
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: pass but never complete one. Damon Hewart never completed a
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: pass in that seems weird to me.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: I was going to say Viny Testaverdi just the random
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: guy who but I think he completed Oh yes, right,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: the Patriots.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: He's not a quarterback. Troy Brown. Troy Brown. The Patriots
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: have their most wins against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Who do The Patriots have their fourth most wins against
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: the Colts.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Correct, somebody? They played a lot?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Colts Corey, Dlon, Garrett, Blunt or Blount, as will say
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: in this player, are tom Brady's only running backs with
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: more than twenty five rushing touchdown Patriots rushing touchdowns Blunt, Dylan,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: tom Brady only running backs with more than twenty five.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: Antoine Smith here long enough?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, maybe not the answer.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: I mean Ridley had a lot, but not that one.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: He didn't fumble a lot.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: It's a clue.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: Then it's Jarvis Greenell.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: What is the one team the Patriots have only lost
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: to once? What is the only team the Patriots have
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: only lost to once?
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: The Jacksonville Jackuars.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: That's correct? Ever, Yeah, I guess.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: So hot game.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: Who says it first?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: And then Evan says? Who has more interceptions as a Patriot?
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Sante Samuel J. C. Jackson or Fred Marion? God J C.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Jackson fred Marion?
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: Fred Marion is correct? Uh few more? Who has more
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: punts as a Patriots quarterback? Bledsoe or Castle?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: Punt punts? I'm gonna say Castle because I don't remember
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: bloodsoever punch.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: Castle's correct? With one week seventeen couple fifty seven yards.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good role. But they're not expecting Remember that
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: went against ten then versus kept rolling.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: That was when we used to flip the bird to
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: the team on the way behind.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: What percentage of the league do the Patriots not have
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: a playoff win against? This is hard one. Yeah, what
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: percentage of the league do the Patriots not have a
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: playoff win against?
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: I mean it's kind to be close to fifty because
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: there was NFC.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Don't you only get to play them in the I'm
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: going to say forty.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Forty point six thirteen teams.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: And finally, who had more sacks as a Patriot? Dominic
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  Speaker 2: Easily or Tommy Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, Tommy Kelly.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I remember Easily playing a few games. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say easily.
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  Speaker 2: Tommy Kelly two and a hay Verse two.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was looking at their their first round picks from
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  Speaker 5: the last ten years, and we talk about it as
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  Speaker 5: a recent thing, but they they went, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 5: been a long time, like Dominic Easily, Malcolm Brown, like
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  Speaker 5: those picks are in there too, with you know, the
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  Speaker 5: Nikhil Harry's and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Easily was a terrible pick. I mean, yeah, I'll never
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  Speaker 2: forget the day he walked out for his you know
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  Speaker 2: thing with the crafts and his knees were knocking together,
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  Speaker 2: and we're like, this guy ain't gonna make it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, right then, I think that he's he's
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  Speaker 1: worthy of. I don't know if they did like a
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  Speaker 1: thirty for thirty Patriots bloggers, that would be worth the story,
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  Speaker 1: because for some reason, that was the worst kept secret.
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  Speaker 1: Like everybody, like Jerry Horton still takes laps about like that.
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  Speaker 1: But we were everyone knew, Like I feel like everybody
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  Speaker 1: had a source that it's going to be Dominique easily,
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  Speaker 1: Like everybody nailed that pick. And I mean I got
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  Speaker 1: it at the time. I saw what they were going for.
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  Speaker 1: It's just, you know, an explosive interior who gets off
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  Speaker 1: the ball like you wouldn't believe. But yeah, he couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't maintain his acls.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, that's gonna do it for this
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