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One Year Without Charlie Kirk: The Void That Could Cost Republicans Everything · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: There is a major void almost one year since the
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  Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I want to break this
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  Speaker 1: down in possibly a different way than you've seen broken
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  Speaker 1: down before with him, not there as almost the balancing
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  Speaker 1: act for the young people in America that were very,
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  Speaker 1: very much going more conservative, but yet still probably call themselves, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, independent. He was the guy that would get
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  Speaker 1: that word to president Trump. He was the guy that
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  Speaker 1: would almost be the balancing act. You know, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: don't do that. And maybe you do this, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: you talk to this crowd. Maybe don't talk to that crowd.
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  Speaker 1: I think that void is real, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: we are suffering as a nation and maybe even as
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  Speaker 1: a planet because of that void that was left by
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk being taken out by a disgusting, evil human being.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into that. Let's talk to Kay Hill about this. Kay,
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  Speaker 1: of course, incredible news and commentary writer. You see her
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  Speaker 1: on Newsmax. Kay, I appreciate you. We talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: before we just started, and it was a great conversation
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  Speaker 1: where I said, let's forget the topic we were going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about. Let's talk about Charlie Kirk taken out
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  Speaker 1: just about one year ago and two days as we're
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  Speaker 1: doing this. It'll be a year since we all got
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  Speaker 1: word of his assassination. I think the void is real.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the direction of the administration, although
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here to say President Trump's doing anything wrong
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  Speaker 1: per se, I think that perspective is missing, is missing
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  Speaker 1: big time from his inner circle. Do you agree with that?
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  Speaker 2: I think the void is so huge and the perspective
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  Speaker 2: is missing so much so that I think the midterms
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  Speaker 2: could be a bloodbath, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's that bad.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's less about people who would have, I
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  Speaker 2: just think a lot of people are going to stay home.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's really the issue here. Charlie was such
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  Speaker 2: an expert. I mean, he was an expert strategist. Don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong, but his ability to communicate and galvanize
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  Speaker 2: young people up to like, I know people in their
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  Speaker 2: like seventies who were watching Charlie Kirk's work and went
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  Speaker 2: out to vote because of him, because he explained that,
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  Speaker 2: what the people want to the people in charge. And
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  Speaker 2: in turn, he explained to the people in charge how
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  Speaker 2: to help the people who vote. And I'm sorry, like
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  Speaker 2: no one, no one has filled that void. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what's going on. It's actually kind of scary.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're going to see a massive undoing of
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  Speaker 2: what happened in 2024 right now in 2022.
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  Speaker 3: Sex as we head into these midterms.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that we both would hate that, but
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  Speaker 1: it's probably going to happen. And let's give some real
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  Speaker 1: reasons why. And now we're not talking for the viewers
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  Speaker 1: and the listeners to feel horrible and have this malaise
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  Speaker 1: about what's going to happen in November. Maybe this wakes
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  Speaker 1: some people up. When Mamdani was running for mayor of
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  Speaker 1: New York, Charlie Kirk was very good at pointing out
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  Speaker 1: what was wrong with that and what's right with being
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  Speaker 1: more conservative and less DSA. President Trump was taking cues
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  Speaker 1: from a Charlie Kirk who had his finger on the
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  Speaker 1: pulse of what was happening with young America and what
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  Speaker 1: you just said is so right. These young people probably
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  Speaker 1: would not have voted. They voted because Charlie Kirk spread
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  Speaker 1: the message of what Trump would do should he win
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  Speaker 1: and why that would be better than Kamala Harris winning.
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  Speaker 1: Analyze this for me live as we're doing it. You've
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  Speaker 1: got a right, the Republicans or conservatives, that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think are campaigning at all. And then you've got a
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  Speaker 1: left that is massively out there communicating with everybody young
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  Speaker 1: and old. The left is wrong. The right is right,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. And I can tell you why. But
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  Speaker 1: those watching and listening know why I think that. But
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  Speaker 1: if you're, let's say, Ken Paxton, the last thing you
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  Speaker 1: want to do is only talk about how horrible Tallarico is.
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  Speaker 1: You can't do that. And I think if Charlie Kirk
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  Speaker 1: were around, he'd say, Ken, talk about how you sued
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  Speaker 1: to get people freedom online, how you sued Google, you
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  Speaker 1: sued Facebook, you did class action suits to make sure
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  Speaker 1: we had free speech, went on a platform. You sued
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  Speaker 1: Biden 27 times. Why not do that? Instead of this reactionary,
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  Speaker 1: let's rename a lake. It's not Lake Ontario. It's Lake America.
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  Speaker 1: We're not winning elections by doing that. So let me
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  Speaker 1: get back to my attention starting this entire thought process.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be better for Republicans to do what they
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  Speaker 1: did in 24 and say, here's why your life will
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  Speaker 1: be better because of us. That's why you've got to
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  Speaker 1: get off your hands and go vote.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what the Republicans need to do. Unfortunately, we
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  Speaker 2: are getting terrifyingly close to election day. So if they
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  Speaker 2: want to go out and do that, they need to
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  Speaker 2: start right now. But Joe, there has been such a
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  Speaker 2: decline in morale. I feel like since Charlie was assassinated,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, almost a year to the day, there's
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  Speaker 2: been such a decline in morale that And it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: just come from this, you know, ideological, practical, whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it, void that, you know, God, there's
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  Speaker 2: so many words you could use to describe the void
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  Speaker 2: left behind by Charlie Kirk's assassination. But I think that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it comes from what feels like campaign
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  Speaker 2: promises that really just never came to fruition. I have
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  Speaker 2: lost count of the number of young people who voted
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  Speaker 2: for Trump based on the fact that he was a
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  Speaker 2: no war president. In fact, that was one of my
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  Speaker 2: biggest selling points to people when, you know, my friends
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  Speaker 2: and family from back over in Europe and the UK
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  Speaker 2: would contact me and be like, why are you so
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  Speaker 2: gung ho about Trump? And it's like, well, for me,
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  Speaker 2: he's the no war president.
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  Speaker 3: That's his whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: If he is going to go deal with any kind of, uh, military,
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  Speaker 2: anything it's in out, get the job done.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not drag this out.
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  Speaker 2: And that was revolutionary for this country. Obviously that's not
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  Speaker 2: happening now with Iran. I know people who've been called
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  Speaker 2: out now for deployment, like people are literally terrified there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a draft and that this thing could
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  Speaker 2: turn into World War III. I mean, like people are
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  Speaker 2: genuinely scared about what's going on in Iran. And then
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  Speaker 2: you also have the fact that gas prices are through
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  Speaker 2: the roof, which was probably our biggest, one of our
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  Speaker 2: biggest criticisms at the tail end of COVID with Biden
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  Speaker 2: was the fact that if gas prices are super high,
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  Speaker 2: we know a bunch of oil billionaires are making a
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  Speaker 2: load of money.
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  Speaker 3: Good for them.
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  Speaker 2: But like, it also makes our food so much more expensive.
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  Speaker 2: It makes life harder for literally every single person in
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  Speaker 2: this country. And so I think that even though the
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  Speaker 2: gas prices are not that high, a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: are going to stay home because they realize, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're at this war or we're in this war that
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  Speaker 2: is increasing our gas prices, which you know that we hate.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't want the war.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want the gas prices to keep going up
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  Speaker 2: because they went down and that was really good.
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  Speaker 3: But now they're back up again and that's not good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me stop you because I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: focus too much on gas prices yet, although that's a
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  Speaker 1: big part. And yes, I was out this past weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Diesel is up to $ 6 a gallon in Texas. $ 6
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  Speaker 1: a gallon for diesel. That's where you're trucking all the
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  Speaker 1: food and all the goods and all the products and
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  Speaker 1: stuff around. Everything's got to go up in price. But
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  Speaker 1: let's go back to No New Wars. Mm-hmm. He ended
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  Speaker 1: seven or eight conflicts, whether they were actually wars going
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  Speaker 1: on or they were conflicts where you've been doing something
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  Speaker 1: bad for 60 years, let's say, you know, over Kashmir
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  Speaker 1: between India and Pakistan, whatever, or Azerbaijan, whatever is going on.
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  Speaker 1: He's ending wars. He's signing treaties. He's doing everything. And
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  Speaker 1: that was great. But he also said, before I get
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  Speaker 1: into office, Ukraine is going to be done. That entire
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  Speaker 1: Russia-Ukraine thing will be done. Obviously, it's not. It's still
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  Speaker 1: going on. He didn't start that. He didn't cause it.
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  Speaker 1: But he said he would do that, and people took
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  Speaker 1: him at his word. Do I think he wanted to?
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Do I think he had the ability to say, hey, Zelensky, hey, Putin, stop? No,
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  Speaker 1: he can say that, but it's not stopping. But to
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  Speaker 1: start one, you know what I mean? To start one
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  Speaker 1: is a different thing. And again, and I've said this
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  Speaker 1: consistently since it happened, and you know this personally and
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  Speaker 1: on my air, that I was not for us going
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  Speaker 1: into Iran. Now that we're there, let's win. That's just,
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  Speaker 1: that's where I've been. I did not see a reason
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  Speaker 1: for us to go in. I don't think Israel made
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  Speaker 1: us do it. I don't think Benjamin Netanyahu is telling
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  Speaker 1: Trump you better or else. But I think Trump was given,
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  Speaker 1: he was sold a bill of goods. And here's what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. Tell me what you think. I think people
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  Speaker 1: came to him and said, Mr. President, it'll take us
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  Speaker 1: five days. That's what it's going to take. You go in,
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  Speaker 1: you get rid of the theocracy, you end 47 years
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  Speaker 1: of hatred for the United States, you're the king of
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  Speaker 1: the world, it's going to take five days. Okay, they
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  Speaker 1: went in February 28th. Last I checked, it's almost mid-September.
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  Speaker 1: Not five days. And that's what's got our side, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the right side, the conservative side going, why would I
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  Speaker 1: vote to continue this? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of what I would... Oh, I completely agree.
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  Speaker 2: And I was kind of getting to that with, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the war, the gas prices, the next thing I was
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  Speaker 2: going to sort of like, you know, just essentially just
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  Speaker 2: going down the list of what people got up and
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  Speaker 2: voted on back in 2024. How are Republicans who are
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  Speaker 2: vying for their seats and to maintain their seats in
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  Speaker 2: the midterms, what are they campaigning on right now?
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  Speaker 3: Because we tried to.
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  Speaker 2: Get, we tried to get the Epstein files like fully released.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, at this point it's sort of like, I
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  Speaker 2: think most people know what's in them, like all the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that was blocked out. Like you gotta be really
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  Speaker 2: stupid to not realize what was in them. So, but
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  Speaker 2: there's still no arrests. There's just flock cameras going up everywhere. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I watched your interview obviously on flock cameras
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  Speaker 2: and like, how bad and dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: That they are.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that they can seriously be weaponized against
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  Speaker 2: any people, like not just the American public, but like anywhere,
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  Speaker 2: these things are placed. They can seriously be weaponized, but
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  Speaker 2: they're not being used to hunt.
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  Speaker 1: They can be weaponized. They, they, they are being weaponized.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, from our friend, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you've got, you've got
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  Speaker 1: police officers that have like been convicted of stalking women
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  Speaker 1: with flock cameras. So don't tell me it's about safety
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  Speaker 1: and security. So you're right. So it's the surveillance of
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  Speaker 1: the American people has gone up. Our freedom has gone down.
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  Speaker 1: We're in a world. with Iran that I don't know
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  Speaker 1: when it's going to end now. Hey, look, we got
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  Speaker 1: Karg Island now. I don't know what the hell that means.
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  Speaker 1: And it's got to end. And I think, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to go back to what I first said, because
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  Speaker 1: I really want your in-depth thoughts on this. And just
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  Speaker 1: for those watching and listening, I asked Kay to study
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  Speaker 1: for three hours on a completely different topic today. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're doing this because our pre-interview, our conversation
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  Speaker 1: before we started, was so good. I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: think people will want this. They're going to lose because
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  Speaker 1: they're not campaigning like they did in 24. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you nailed it. They're going to lose because they're campaigning
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  Speaker 1: against the other guy and not telling us why we're
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  Speaker 1: so great. And forget Paxton. Let's talk about Michelle Tafoya,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in Minnesota. Is she doing a good enough
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  Speaker 1: job saying, here's why I am right, not why, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Peggy Flanagan is wrong. You know, in Michigan, here's why
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  Speaker 1: El-Sayed is wrong and I'm right, Mike Wright. No, no, no. Mike,
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  Speaker 1: just tell me why you're the guy. We know how
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  Speaker 1: nuts the other guy is. And yeah, he's reaching out
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  Speaker 1: and he's getting people's ears. But if you focus on
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  Speaker 1: the negative on the other person, there's nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: that says, well, you're more positive than that. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: won't vote. I don't think the Republicans and conservatives are
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  Speaker 1: going to vote for El-Sayed or for Peggy Flanagan. But
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  Speaker 1: I do think that they'll sit out like you said.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're in their ear, they call you Kaye.
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  Speaker 1: I need some advice. How should we campaign to get
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  Speaker 1: the attention of the young people? What would you say?
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  Speaker 3: Well, young people are on their phones, right?
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  Speaker 2: So all you've got to do is create digital content
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  Speaker 2: telling people what you're going to do when you get reelected. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: say you're like a Ken Paxton, like fighting against Tallarico.
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  Speaker 2: I think he is such an easy.
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  Speaker 3: Target, Tallarico. He is such a loser. Everyone knows that.
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  Speaker 2: No Republican, like you said, is getting up to.
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  Speaker 3: Vote for that guy.
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  Speaker 2: So what Ken Paxton needs to do is he needs
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  Speaker 2: to sit in front of a camera and literally say,
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  Speaker 2: my name is Ken Paxton. I want you to come
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  Speaker 2: out to vote for me because I'm going to do A, B,
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  Speaker 2: and C for the people of Texas. That's all you
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  Speaker 2: sort of do.
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  Speaker 3: It is that simple.
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  Speaker 2: And that can be applied to every single GOP or every, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: every single GOP nominee walking into these midterms. Every single
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  Speaker 2: one of them can just sit there and go, these
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  Speaker 2: are the three, these are the five things that I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to do for this state because I love you.
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  Speaker 2: I love this state and I'm going to protect you.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the most important thing for me. Like I
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  Speaker 2: cannot stress enough, like the DSA people, like the Democrat
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  Speaker 2: socialists of America. Yeah. These complete weirdos that are running
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  Speaker 2: for the Democrats, like they have unlocked something.
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  Speaker 3: In social media.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, admittedly, there are like still those biases,
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  Speaker 2: like everything online. There's huge biases, right, that are going
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  Speaker 2: to sway left. You're more likely to see that kind
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  Speaker 2: of content. But the algorithms are not impossible to overcome.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not like these politicians don't have money to
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  Speaker 2: pay to overcome those algorithms because that's.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much all it takes.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So I think that like they sit down in
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  Speaker 2: front of their phones, they go, I'm going to do A,
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  Speaker 2: B and C or one, two and three. And it's
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  Speaker 2: that get out vote. Because if you vote for me,
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  Speaker 2: this is what you're going to get. The issue is
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  Speaker 2: most GOP voters of the sort of like key 18
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  Speaker 2: through 45, 55 demographic. I feel like because there is
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  Speaker 2: such a, a sense of whiplash, I guess a little bit, um,
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  Speaker 2: with the federal level governance going on and the fact
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  Speaker 2: that all of these different things have happened that were
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  Speaker 2: campaigned upon, that were promised to the American people that
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  Speaker 2: have now not come to fruition. I feel like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people are not even, it's not even that
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  Speaker 2: they're switched off, like their energy and, you know, fear
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  Speaker 2: over the future is still very much there.
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  Speaker 3: They're still looking at their phones.
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  Speaker 2: They're still looking at the YouTube, whatever it is to
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  Speaker 2: figure out what the solution is, but no one's offering any.
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  Speaker 2: And I think if Republicans really want to make a
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  Speaker 2: huge difference in the midterms and looking forward to 2028,
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  Speaker 2: it's just listen to the problems that the American people
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  Speaker 2: have and figure out a solution to them. But again,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people like, If you're in the GOP,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of depend on the backing of the MAGA
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  Speaker 2: movement to survive.
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  Speaker 3: And if the MAGA movement.
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  Speaker 2: Is involved in a war that a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to get involved in that we just want
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  Speaker 2: to end, then, you know, it's kind of hard to
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  Speaker 2: campaign on that. It's kind of hard to campaign on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's free. The call is under 20 minutes. Set it
• 15:45
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• 15:52
  Speaker 1: They're doing a convention now in Dallas. This is sort
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: of out of the blue. A few weeks ago, hey,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: let's do a midterm convention for the Republican Party like
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: we've never done. As we've already talked about, you don't
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: have the young voice, the guy who had that connection
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: to the youth vote in Charlie Kirk. If they make
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: this a Trump convention, as much as I think he
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: thinks that will help, and it might help a little bit,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be as effective as if you had younger voices,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: more diverse voices. people who said, here's why a conservative
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: is right, here's what they're doing for you, here's why
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: they believe in the Constitution. I think maybe it could
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: be effective. I fear this is not going to help much.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: What do you think about it?
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I think it could help if they get the messaging
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: and media out.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And I think that's going to be the biggest thing, right?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Because as we talked about in the last segment, messaging
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: is just non-existent at this point. And if there is
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: any messaging from the GOP, it's just candidates attacking people
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: pretty easy target candidates on the Democrat side. So what
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to with the Dallas convention, and unfortunately
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I do think it has to happen sooner because like
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the midterms are already pretty scary. Um, we all know
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen if the Democrats kind of sweep it,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: it's going to be two years of impeach Trump country
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: grinds to a halt. None of the problems that the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: American people have get solved. Um, And then we go
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: into 2028 angry as heck. And it's going to be
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: an uphill battle for literally everyone involved in that, you know,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: like even those, even those geniuses over at the.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Democrat party who don't even have a party leader at
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: this point, right? Like 2028 is going to be miserable.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: So I think the GOP has to have this convention
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: now because we're in crisis.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Like it's that simple.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: But what's the right way to conduct the, do you
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: agree with me? that as much as I like him personally,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: as much as I like him as a president, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: would vote for him again. This can't be the Trump convention.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: It's not for his nomination. This is to try to
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: save the House and or Senate if they possibly can.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Do you agree that it can't be just about him?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I do agree that it can't be just about him
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: because the party is not just him, right? Like it
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: has to be all of these individual candidates. But the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: other thing that I'm kind of looking forward to, Joe,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: is seeing if anyone at the convention- seems like they just,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: they have that thing, that sparkle, that, that.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Little ear and little like voice to.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: The people that I don't think anyone's going to come
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: out of the woodwork and replace Charlie Kirk, but you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: you and I've talked about it on a previous show.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: The fact that, you know, young people are now turning
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: to Shane Gillis and Tony Hinchcliffe, like away from like
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: TP USA, they're turning away from the kind of, not
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: necessarily like the legacy of Charlie Kirk, but the kind
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: of over politicization of social media influences. Like people don't
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: want that. They want to just watch comedians and have fun.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And so all of these people, particularly conservative young people
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: who were, you know, all in on Kirk, all in
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: on Trump as a result, you know, even the Joe
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Rogans of the world, like everyone's just kind of like
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: switching off to it now.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy. And so I want to.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: See if someone who, someone, whether it's a media, like
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: a younger media personality, or even some like political leader
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: come to the forefront and just explain to us what
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the heck is going on. Because like people ask me,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I can't even vote Joe. People ask me all the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: time in my day to day life, like what is
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: going on? What are we doing? What does this party
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: stand for anymore? Because we were told all of this
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: stuff in 2024 and now the opposite is happening. Who
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: are we and what are we subscribing to? Because, you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: particularly the millennial generation, like that sort of joke. I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if you remember this when Tommy Lahren went
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: on The Daily Show and said, I'm a millennial.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: We don't like labels. We may not like labels, Joe,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: as a generation.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And we're a huge voting block, the millennial generation, but, um,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: we may not like labels, but we like to support
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: smart things. That's why, you know, it was so easy
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: for RFK junior to kind of walk into the MAGA
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: movement because all the same people who were like very
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: pro Charlie Kirk and all that kind of stuff were
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: also pro all the stuff that RFK Jr.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Is into too.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They're pro good food and they're anti-autism. I mean, that
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: only makes it, I think you make an incredible point.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: By the way, Cahill, go and check Cahill out everywhere.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: It's an incredible point that it wasn't because RFK Jr.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: was better than the previous Health and Human Services Secretary,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: which was not Richard Levine. He was second, he called
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: himself Rachel. but he was like the second in charge.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't because RFK Jr. is better than that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: last person. It's because he brought ideas that might make
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: our food healthier. He brought ideas that might make our
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: kids healthier. That's what I'm talking about. I would almost
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like to see the president, and he's not going to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: listen to me, I get it, but I would almost
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: like to see him do what he did for the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: 4th of July celebration for the 250th. He walked out
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and talked about the history of these flags, walked out
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and talked about the history of the of the Federation,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of the Constitution, of the Declaration, of all this stuff.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: He talked about the greatness of the country lasting 250 years.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: He didn't make it, I mean, every once in a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: while he said something about himself or whatever, but that's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: just who he's going to be. I think we all
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: do that. But it wasn't about him. It wasn't about
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: him being president right now. It was about the greatness
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: of the land, and it could only be great if
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you don't let nutjobs take over. So here's what we'll
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: bring you if you keep us in power. The problem
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: they also have, Kay, and I wonder what your thoughts
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: are on this, They've had the House, the Senate, the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court, basically, and the presidency for two full years.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: What have they done with it? Because every time we say,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: is the Oversight Committee going to do something? Is somebody
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: going to be arrested? Is the Judiciary Committee going to
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: do something? Is anybody going to be brought up on
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: charges through the DOJ? I mean, more than Comey with
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: his shells on a beach? I mean, what's going to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: happen here? And I think that the Democrats, I hope
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not helping them out here. I'm going to get emails. No,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you're helping the Democrats. If they just say, what did
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they do for you for two years? The Republicans are
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in trouble. They've got to not only make promises, but
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: they also have to show their resume. We did do
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of things you didn't know about. Here's what
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: they are, and this is why your life is better.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: You agree with all that? I don't think that for
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: two years they've had an opportunity. I don't think they
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: did everything they could with it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the GOP has always had that problem, though.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Like, tell me if I'm wrong, Joe. That was such
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: a good point. But the GOP has always had a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: problem of, like, just not bragging about amazing stuff that
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: they've done. Yes, brag.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Like, brag. Go out and brag about this stuff. I mean, flip.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Like, Democrats go out and say that they're going to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: do a bunch of stuff and then none of it
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: ever comes to fruition. You just get, like, oh, we're
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: going to give you, like, free grocery stores and free buses.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: And all this kind of stuff.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And all you get is a needle exchange, a homeless
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: shelter that's full of addicts. And, you know, the schools
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: are trying to trans your kids like that's.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: All you get.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: You don't actually get what Democrats promise you. But the GOP,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: because they have absolutely no game when it comes to
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: bragging about their achievements as a party. I mean, again,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: huge gap right there in the market of the GOP.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Huge gap to just come out and say, you know what?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: We did take the food coloring out of like the red.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: yellow food dyes out of your food. We said we
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: were going to do that and we we've done it. Um,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it's a shame that all of this stuff right now,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: it's so funny. Like guys, if like before we came
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: on the show today, I did a bunch of research on, um,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the mail-in voting thing that's happening right now. Um, it's
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: a shame that like that wasn't done two years ago
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: because it probably would have made its way through the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: courts by now. And so we would have Greater election integrity.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of people.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Stop.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: All the research was worth it. For those watching, listening,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Kay and I are good friends. She's not mad at
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: me for interrupting. Having said that, you could not be
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: more correct. They should have brought the mail-in balloting thing
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: January 20th, 2025, and get it through the courts by now. Instead,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the Democrats all dragged their feet. They dragged their feet,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: dragged their feet. They knew they could slow things down,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and the Republicans let them do that. Now, a really
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: good argument is, hey, the early voting has started. You
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: can't implement this now. And you had a year and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a half to get this thing done. So you're right.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: When I have Jim Jordan on, Judiciary Committee Chair, who
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I like, when I have Jamie Comer on, the Oversight
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Committee Chair, who I like, I always say, guys, my listeners,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: my friends, my family all say, when are they going
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to perp walk somebody in handcuffs? When are they going
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to arrest somebody for these horrible things that were done?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: We know the Russia thing was a hoax. We know
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: there was a hoax. We know the president has declassified
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: everything when it came to China's interference in 2020. Yet
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: we're still not seeing anybody in handcuffs, some lower level guy,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: some FBI guy who lied on a piece of paper.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: He might be in jail. Nobody from the top on
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: down is even feeling any pressure. So you're right. If
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you want to do the mail-in voting thing, you're right.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: If you want to get rid of these machines, you're right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: If you want to make wholesale change to where only
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the legislatures can make changes you should have done that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a year and a half ago now they're going to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: get away with this we have no idea what the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: vote count is going to be in november because we
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: haven't fixed anything.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly and it's kind of terrifying um like genuinely
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: terrified to think about it because i don't want two
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: years of absolutely nothing that means we've had basically four
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: years of a new war and nothing else and that's
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: kind of scary um Even though, okay, now I will,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I'll take that back a little bit because Trump obviously
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: has tried to do a lot and hasn't really been
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: allowed to do it. But again, should have been done
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a lot sooner, like the mail-in voting thing. I think
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: his recent move with allowing farmers to process their own animals.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Joe, I don't want to bore your listeners, but like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I cannot stress how utterly... huge that is for the
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: country like people don't there's okay two farms the story
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of two farms i got this true story i got
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: two farms near me we've got one called uh content
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: near farms and we've got one down the road who's
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: run by an old lady who i can't remember the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: name of it now but her name's mary betty so
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: we'll call it mary betty's farm okay contentia farms able
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to process their own meat i can go in there
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: i spend a hundred dollars and i will get enough
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: premium fantastic beef and pork to last me and my
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: family almost a month mary betty down the road not
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: allowed to process her own meat i don't even go
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to a shop anymore because i i can't buy anything
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it's way too overpriced so if you want food prices
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to come down keep pushing for stuff like this because
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that makes a huge difference in your day-to-day life. That's
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: not just beneficial for you and your family in buying food,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: but if you want to go out and eat, bringing
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: those costs down through allowing these people to process their
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: own meat, enormous.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Of course it is.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You take out the middleman.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: They don't talk about it, but they don't talk about it, Joe.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you're right. That's what we talked about a minute ago.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: When you make a change like that, that is going
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to exponentially help everybody who eats dairy food, who eats poultry,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: who eats beef, who eats pork. Anybody who buys things
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: from the store can now buy it from the producer.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, with the middleman out of there, now you've
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: got people competing with the big processors, but you also
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: have the local, you know, like you said, go down
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the road and buy it from the lady who owns
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the farm. You're going to save a bunch of money
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and it's fresh as can be. We're bringing in beef regularly.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: From New Zealand. Now, maybe I'm an idiot, but you're
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: bringing it in from that far. It's not going to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: be anywhere near as fresh as the lady who just
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: did the processing last night. It's just not. So it's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: going to taste better, be less expensive and save you
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: some money. But you're right. He makes a move like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that and doesn't brag about it. He said, okay, we
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: did that. Now let's change the name of Lake Ontario.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And again, whatever, troll candidate if you want. I think
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Mark Carney's an idiot. I get that. But you've got
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to continue to tell me the wins. Look what I did.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Look what I accomplished. I did that. I made that happen.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget. And people watching and listening will not
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: believe this. When I worked at Domino's Pizza back in
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the day, I started when I was 18. I was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: a delivery driver. Then I moved up in the management
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and whatever else. And I eventually ran like three different stores.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: So I went in a store and one of my
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: really good friends, Frank, is my supervisor. And he says, man,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: People are getting in accidents because our logo was, or
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: our nomenclature or whatever, our brand was fast, friendly, and free.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Back in the day, Domino's pizza, you got it to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you in 30 minutes or it was free. Then it
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: was $ 3 off, and then it was maybe a little
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: bit of money off because people were speeding like idiots
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: trying to deliver the pizzas on time back in the 80s.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: So they're like, we can't have fast, friendly, and free
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: on the side of the cars anymore. And I said,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: why don't you make it safe, friendly, and free? They went, oh, man,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that's a great idea. And they did. And I never
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: got credit for it because I didn't say, Hey, I said,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: say friendly and free. And I don't know what they
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: do that anymore. That was in the eighties and nineties.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: They might've changed it to a completely different, you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: slogan now. But my point is don't assume we're going
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to remember that you saved us money on, on beef.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Don't assume that we're going to know that the gas
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: prices as high as they are still lower than the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: peak under, under Biden. Don't assume I know what inflation
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: is if you've lowered it. Tell me every day what
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you've done that's good because if you're telling me that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: what you're doing in Iran is good, most of the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: country doesn't believe you. But if you tell me everything else,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: because if you tell me today the Strait of Hormuz
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: is open and then I hear that Iran bombed three
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: ships in the Strait of Hormuz, I don't know what
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to believe. But if you remind me about the beef processing,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: hell yeah. I know that. If you remind me about
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: something that you changed that makes education better, that makes
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: us safer from vaccinations through RFK Jr., every single day, Kay,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: they have to remind us of that. And if they don't,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: they're going to lose.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's literally that simple, Joe.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And I think that's like, I think that must be
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: why they're having this convention in Dallas. Like get everyone together,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: get the messaging on point, get everyone, you know, sort
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: of on brand because I mean, I would hate to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: be a GOP candidate right now, like trying to answer
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: questions about like federal level governance.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Like the state stuff should be easy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Like any representative, um, like, or Senator anywhere in the country,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: should really be focusing on their individual state and the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: stuff that's important there. But that's not going to get
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: like national media headlines. And that's what a lot of
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: people need and want when it comes to their race.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And so I think that like on the federal level,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I just feel so bad. I just feel so bad
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: for everyone running in the GOP because what is their
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: messaging right now?
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Like, what is it?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Like, is it like we just said in the last segment?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Is it literally just, oh, we're going to sit here
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and make fun of like the DSA candidates? Are we
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: going to sit here and like make fun of people
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: like AOC? Like we've been doing that for years, guys.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: We need like actual change. And you're also dealing with
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a population, Joe, who's lost so much trust in the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: system and they don't look at it as loss of trust.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I want to stress this. It's not loss of trust
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  Speaker 2: in Trump, and it's not loss of trust in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: MAGA movement. It is a complete loss of trust in
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the system. And I think a lot of it, if
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: not most of it, started the day that Charlie Kirk
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  Speaker 2: was murdered, because most people don't believe the story that
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: we are being sold on his murder. And the fact
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: that we haven't actually had any answers from it just
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: makes everyone kind of sit back and go, well, if
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: they're not going to bother looking into this, and if
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: they're not going to even attempt to answer our questions
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: on this, what is the point anymore?
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Like you kill, like.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Someone killed the guy who got everyone out to vote
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  Speaker 2: in like this one specific demographic. And now that entire
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: demographic has kind of just been left out in the dust.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anyone that kind of stuck with TPUSA.
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  Speaker 2: I literally don't know anyone in the real world who
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: stuck with them because the way everything was handled just
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: felt really strange and weird.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't feel right, I think, for other people.
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  Speaker 1: Let me finish with this, and Kay, I appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: time as always. I don't even think they're doing what
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  Speaker 1: he did the right way. Here's what I mean. Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Kirk would sit on a college campus or go to
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  Speaker 1: Oxford or do whatever he was doing, wherever he happened
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  Speaker 1: to be doing it, And he would welcome everybody and anybody,
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  Speaker 1: and they would have a respectful debate, although the other side,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: generally speaking, wasn't respectful. He was. I mean, literally somebody
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: would walk up with pink hair and 18,000 piercings and
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was 300 pounds, and people would start booing or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and he would say, hey, let's be respectful. Let's not
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: do that. But the conversation was he was changing hearts
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  Speaker 1: and minds about what he was saying. Recently, I was
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: invited to go do one of these roundtable things where
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: it's me against 20 liberals or something, and I said no.
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  Speaker 1: I said because that's not what this is supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's not 20 people with no jobs that just debate
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: on different platforms all day, yell and scream about crap,
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  Speaker 1: and try to do gotcha moments to get some virality.
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  Speaker 1: That isn't what Charlie did. Charlie sat there and said,
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  Speaker 1: let me talk to people who will say that they
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: believe in one thing but are open to hearing the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: other thing. That's where it needs to be. Right now,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: this gotcha debate style is garbage online. but people are
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: getting millions of views and they think that somehow that's worthy.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: They're not changing anybody's mind. They're going, wow, look how
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: hard he smacked him down and nobody's learning anything. Do
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you agree that they don't, they aren't even doing what
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: he did right?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, completely. Like 100%.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what they're doing because they're doing
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: it so badly. And it breaks my heart because I
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: got a lot of friends that work at TPUSA and
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just.
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  Speaker 3: Like, what are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 2: Like each of you could be going out and emulating
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: what Charlie was and what he put out.
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  Speaker 3: Like, come on, what are we doing here?
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, like the whole situation, Joe, it
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: really does kind of break my heart a little bit.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Like I think if I was writing this as a movie,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like whoever was playing the representative of millennials
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: right now would probably be sitting back in like their chair,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: sparking up a cigarette or like opening a crisp, like
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Diet Coke or whatever it is that like younger millennials
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and Gen Z do to chill. Like, which is weird
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to me. Soda is so bad for you, but I
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: guess cigarettes are too. But I feel like they're just
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: sitting back right now, looking at the political and social
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: landscape of the world and going, okay, I guess we're
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: getting into our next forever war. I remember when that
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: happened after 9-11. Oh, you guys, someone murdered our kind
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of intellectual leader in many ways. That's Charlie Kirk. We're
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: not going to get the truth about what really happened
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: potentially ever. This is just another JFK. We've seen this
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: playbook before. And like the list goes on. And so
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like everyone is just kind of melting back
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: into their chair and just going, I feel like this
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: relationship might be coming to an end. We need something
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: to remind us why we got into it in the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: first place.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know who that is.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is, but it has to
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: start with solutions to our current problems.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. And it has to be ring your
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: own bell, pat your own back. Say what you did.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: If you don't, you're not going to win by calling
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the guy Tala Frico. Okay. That was funny for a minute.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Now move on and tell me why you're better than
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: he is. And not, not because he's so bad. I'm
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the less bad. No, that's not going to work. It's KOK.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the extended time today. Very, very good stuff.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And we did interweave a little bit of what you
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: researched just a little bit though.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: It's like two sentences, but I don't care. This is way,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: this is way more fun.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's it for this episode of unshaken and
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