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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
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What's up, Marcus? Good to see you, brother.
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Speaker 3: What's happening?
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Speaker 2: It's crazy to be here. It's crazy to have you here, man.
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And thank you so much for the guitar. That's the
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dopest shit that anybody's ever given me.
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Speaker 3: Oh, man, I hope you like it.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure I like it. I just can't play. And
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I would love to learn how to play, but I
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know my brain, and I can't give my brain another
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thing to do.
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Speaker 3: You've got a lot.
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Speaker 2: Well, the problem is I get obsessed with things.
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Speaker 3: Me too.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure. You can't get as good as you got
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without getting obsessed.
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Speaker 3: Are you like this? Like I don't like doing things
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I'm not good at.
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Speaker 2: I love doing things I'm not good at to get
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good at them. Right.
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Speaker 3: But it's not leisurely to me to play golf. Like
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I can't enjoy it because I'm.
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Speaker 2: Bad at it. Well, you'll enjoy it if you get
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good at it. But the problem is to get good
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at it, then you got to get obsessed. Yeah. And
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then you've got to take lessons. Jamie's got a fucking
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virtual reality thing in the back where he whacks balls
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every day. He's obsessive.
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Speaker 1: I'm recovering from hitting today.
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Speaker 2: Sweating.
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Speaker 3: Wow. My drummer's a really good golfer.
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Speaker 2: Golf is one of those things that if you get
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into that, man, that's your whole fucking day.
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Speaker 3: That's eight hours. Three or four days a week on
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the road.
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Speaker 2: When I was living in Boston, I noticed that the
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comedians that really got into golf, their career kind of stalled.
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Because they were just playing golf all day, having fun, drinking,
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and then they'd go to the club at night. But
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they weren't writing any new jokes. They weren't obsessing on
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their career. They kind of stalled out a little.
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Speaker 3: When I still drank, I really liked golfing. When I
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quit drinking, I was like, I don't really like this.
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Speaker 2: When did you quit drinking?
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Speaker 3: Well, I quit a few times, but the most recent
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time was like a year and a half ago.
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Speaker 2: Were you quitting because you were just off the rails or, like,
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got to get your health in order?
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Speaker 3: It was kind of a combo deal, you know. Like,
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when I met my wife, at that point I thought
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that I could drink like a gentleman. And it just
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never really worked out that way. There was just something
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in me that just wanted to completely burn my life
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to the ground every time I drank, you know. A
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real destructive quality.
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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's not good. Yeah. Yeah, fortunately I never had that.
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But that is a thing. I've seen that. What is that?
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Speaker 3: I think it's, I think a lot of it is
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repressed emotions. And that's where they find you when your
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brain is off switch.
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Speaker 2: Demon in the bottle. Yeah. Yeah. They go, hey, Marcus. Yeah, man.
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Let's get those problems out.
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Speaker 3: It seduces me. It's like you don't need anybody. Fuck everybody.
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That woman that married you, you don't want her.
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Speaker 2: I think sometimes people do that to almost like save
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themselves from heartbreak sometimes. You kind of like wreck it yourself.
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Speaker 3: It's like making fun of yourself before anyone else can.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: It's like that thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Like just assume it's going to go bad eventually.
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Let's get this fucking train on the tracks right now. Crack, pour, break.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That was kind of my, you know, that was my
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approach for a while. I just, I don't know, man.
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I was just, I didn't want to feel anything. So
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that was where it would always end up. And I
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remember even asking my wife, like, a couple years ago
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we opened up for the Avett Brothers in Raleigh, North Carolina.
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And at that point I had been sober for like
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six months. And I was like, I really think I
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can handle it. And then... And they cut two. It's
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like the famous last words. I chucked a jumbo white claw.
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I started with a jumbo white claw and I just
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got completely hammered, blacked out, pissed my wife off so bad.
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Like I woke up and I was at our friend's
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house still like on the floor and she left in
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my bus and like my wallet, everything was on the bus.
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I had no identification. She was like, you can fucking
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figure it out, man.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And, uh, the bus turned around, come got me, but, Um, yeah,
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she doesn't play any games.
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Speaker 2: So did you stop then?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.
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Speaker 2: Oh, so one night.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I had one night off the leash and I couldn't
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handle it. You know, there's just some kind of quality
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in me that's like, I can't stop, you know, and
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maybe someday I'll find that. It's like, I got to
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get right in here, you know, and in here with
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myself before I can really, consider.
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Speaker 2: That again I quit drinking for about eight months just
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because I realized I just wasn't feeling good I was
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doing because of the club I was at the club
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every night and you know it's like one night someone
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would say hey let's do shots I'll do a shot
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I want to be you know cordial hang out with
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everybody sense of community let's all do it together come
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on boys and then you know two drinks three drinks
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go home get up, feel like shit, work out, do
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it again the next day, feel even shittier the next day.
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And it's like, God damn, I got to take some
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time off. So I took about eight months off. I think,
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I think I'm not exactly sure how much time I
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took off. And then, uh, I had like a drink
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with dinner one night and I said, all right. And
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so since then I've never gotten drunk. I've only had
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a drink or two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, so I've managed it, but I was not
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an alcoholic. I was just realizing that, All this fun
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was– it was messing up the rest of my time.
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I was like, what is it? There's an expression that
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when you're drinking, like you're taking a loan out on
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the good times that you could have had for some
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good times that you could have right now.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: And then you got to pay it back.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. With interest.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, physically– the problem is physically for me it
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just wasn't worth it. I just– I would be working
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out at the gym going, why, why am I doing this?
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I keep feeling like shit. And every time I'm working out,
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I'm pushing through all this, you know, toxic shit that
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I poured down my throat the night before and my
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body's recovering from it. So I feel tired and drain.
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And then my brain wasn't working as well.
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Speaker 3: You know, that was, that's what it was for me.
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It was like the anxiety and just like the, um,
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the dopamine thing. depletion and just feeling just completely just
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like and i'm somebody who's already struggling with like that's
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why i drink in the first place it's like my
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mental issues and just anxiety and depression and and then
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it would just kind of hit me tenfold the next
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day um.
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Speaker 2: It's always interesting to me some with anxiety chooses a
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path in life like live performing Yeah. Because if there's
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anything that gives people anxiety, it's live performing. And you're
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really good at it, which is crazy. It's like, you know,
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you're picking this thing that you're really good at, but
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that gives a lot of people anxiety, and you have
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anxiety to begin with. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like there's something to that. It's like
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Dan Soder, I always quote him on this. He's like,
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you know, I go around each night, like, craving the
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approval of like thousands of people a night. You're like,
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you didn't think I was doing that because things went
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well growing up.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm fucked up. I need, I need all these
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people to tell me I'm doing a good job.
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Speaker 2: But, um, I think the idea is that eventually you
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channel that. And when you get yourself to get the idea,
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some people have this idea that if you ever get
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yourself together somewhat, you know, I don't think anybody ever
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gets totally together. But you get yourself together somewhat and
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then you don't do it for the approval of it.
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You do it for the love of the art of it,
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the thing, and bringing the thing to people and getting
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enjoyment out of having these people have a good time.
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I think that can be done. I think you can
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shift your focus from I just want these people's love
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to I want to give them love. I want everyone
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to have a good time. I want to be up
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there just fucking– Having a good time. They're having a
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good time. We all have a good time together. I
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make their lives feel better for a brief moment. I
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feel better. Everybody's better off.
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Speaker 3: And that's the shit, man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's what I crave. I mean, that's why, like, we
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just did a run of Texas Hockey Talks, which that
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was kind of the goal, was just to get everybody
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in these sweaty rooms just for the purpose of just, like,
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enjoying music again, getting back to these sticky floors.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you reached out to me because we
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were talking on the podcast about how rock and roll
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is kind of dead. And you said, if fucking rock
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and roll ain't dead, come on. And I was like,
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all right. Well, is there anybody that can tell me
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that rock and roll is not dead? It's Marcus King.
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Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, I was. My boy, Ben Jernigan, he told me.
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He was like, you should text Joe. Because I'm an
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avid listener. I was like, you think I should say something?
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He's like, yeah, fucking tell him rock and roll ain't dead, man.
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It's here tonight at Green Hall.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not dead, but it's different. And a lot
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of the rock that's out now that's doing really well
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is like a southern inspired rock, which is interesting. It's
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like a southern, almost country-like rock, like bluesy country rock,
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you know, red clay strays, like that kind of shit.
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They're doing great. It's like there's a lot of that
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out there, you know? Like people are digging that kind
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of music. But there's just, you know, when I talk
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about like rock, I mean like when I was in
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high school, it was all Van Halen, ACDC, like that.
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There was so many big rock and roll bands, the Stones,
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you know, there was just so much of that out there.
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And it's odd that there's not a lot of big
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bands like that anymore.
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Speaker 3: I think it's coming back around.
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Speaker 2: God, I hope so. It doesn't make sense to me
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because like the classic rock is still like we're in
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the green room and Freebird comes on. Still, everybody's going nuts.
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You know, I mean, there's classics, another Southern rock and
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roll band, Leonard Skinner. But there's still like a love
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of that kind of music. But it's just, it's weird
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that it kind of, you know, just didn't, I don't
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know what happened.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting how cyclical the music industry can be.
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I feel like for the first time in the last
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10 years, like since Urban Cowboy came out, like, Because,
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I mean, for the last 10 years, I've been going
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to L.A. with a cowboy hat on. And I always
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get the same shit like, well, where do you want
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to park your horse? You know, like, what are you
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up to, cowboy? People just talking shit. But now I
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go out there and everybody's got a cowboy hat on. Really?
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It's like chic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's interesting. It's like in vogue. Like the cowboy thing.
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Speaker 2: Which makes you not want to wear a cowboy hat.
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Speaker 3: Well. You know, it's just, I think rock and roll
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is kind of having a similar resurgence.
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Speaker 2: God, I hope so. I hope so. You know, I mean,
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there's got to be people out there that still love it.
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And I just don't, I mean, I just don't understand
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how there's no new big bands like that.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting. You know, I was actually, I was
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in the gym watching Led Zeppelin at Royal Albert Hall.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, this is a fucking jam band.
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They're jamming, you know? And I'm like, it just, like,
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the Allman Brothers band was a jam band. They had guidelines,
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and that's kind of how we do our show. Like,
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we have songs that we're playing just to get to
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that improvisational section where we can just kind of, you know,
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work with the chemistry of the crowd and each other
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on stage. And it's just, it's interesting to me, like,
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The way things have become subdivided, you know? It's like,
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you're not a jam band unless it's, like, widespread or, like,
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Phish or, like, The Dead or something like that. But, like,
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Zeppelin was a fucking jam band.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, in a lot of ways. Yeah. Especially when they're
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performing live. Yeah. Yeah. It's... What is that band that
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sounds like Zeppelin?
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Speaker 3: Greta Van Fleet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Greta Van Fleet. They're fucking great. They are great.
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It's weird. It's weird, because... They sound so much like Zeppelin,
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but they're really good. So, like, I give them a pass.
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Speaker 3: They get a pass from me. I mean, they're my boys.
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I really like those dudes. Like, we used to party
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together a bunch. They live in Nashville. And the guitar player, Jake,
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he's just the sweetest guy. Like, he gave me a
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housewarming gift. He's, like, really into pirate stuff.
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Speaker 2: Pirate stuff?
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Speaker 3: Yeah. He's really into piracy. He gave me like a
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musket pistol.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 3: Like what a pirate would have carried around.
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Speaker 2: A real one? Yeah. So like from the olden days?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, shit. That's got to be worth a lot of
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fucking money. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're doing pretty well.
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Speaker 2: Wow. What is an old musket pistol run? How much
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can you get one of them for? See if you
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can find something, Jamie. Yeah, an old musket pistol. You know, when...
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The conquistadors took over Mexico. They had 12 of those.
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That's it.
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Speaker 3: 12 guns.
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Speaker 2: 12 musket pistols.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I looked that up on Perplexity. I was diving
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deep into how the fuck Mexico became Spanish.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: What happened? They lost like 100 indigenous languages at least.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy. But here it is. What? You
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can get one for $ 195? Modern reproduction. Oh, reproductions. What
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about a real one? Antique ones. 17th century Barbie Wars
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antique pirate flintlock pistol recently sold for $ 416. That's it? Yeah.
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That seems crazy. That seems crazy.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty good for a gift budget.
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Speaker 1: Based on how many reproductions and what you just said,
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there being 12 back then, there might not be that
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many of them that exist. They have to make reproductions.
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Speaker 2: But if this is antique pirate era muskets and it
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says it's sold for $ 416 from the 17th century. Maybe
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it sucks. Maybe it's a bad one. But it's from
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the 1600s and it's sold for $ 416. I'll try to
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look it up. Can you see what those look like?
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We'll see if we can get one. We should get
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one and put it on the wall. Oh, shit. Look
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at that one. How much is that one?
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Speaker 1: I think that's the one that sold for $ 400.
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Speaker 2: That says $ 155. What? That's crazy. How are they so cheap?
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Speaker 1: There's the ones for $ 416.
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Speaker 2: God, that seems like they should be almost priceless. I mean,
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this is from the fucking 1600s and it's sold for $ 400?
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Speaker 3: $ 400?
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Speaker 2: That one sold for $ 200? Wow. Just go pick them up.
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Speaker 1: There's a store in Austin. I bet they've got a bunch.
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Speaker 2: No way. Really? I went to the store.
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Speaker 1: They've got a bunch of weird shit like this.
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Speaker 2: They must have. They would have to have.
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Speaker 1: Them if they're only $ 300, I would say. And all
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kinds of armor and guns and cannons.
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Speaker 2: And weird shit. What? What place is this?
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Speaker 1: It's called Collectors.
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Speaker 2: I'll look it up real quick. There's something weird about
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those dudes who want to recreate wars. Yeah. That's an
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odd thing. That's a very odd thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've got the facial hair of a Civil
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War red actor, but it's about as close as I get.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's in Austin? Yeah. No shit. Yeah. Well,
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that's pretty fucking dope.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Collector's Crossroads.
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Speaker 1: Popped in there one day to see what it was about.
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Speaker 2: And they have little musket pistols?
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Speaker 1: They got all kinds of shit.
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Speaker 2: I wonder how do you know that?
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Speaker 3: Crossbows. Swords.
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Speaker 1: Swords.
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Speaker 2: Crossbow's just a shitty gun. I'm not a fan.
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Speaker 1: What if it was a pirate's crossbow?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. It's kind of cool. But it's just,
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it is weird that we're really into like old, like,
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you know, it's interesting. You're holding something that's a piece
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of history. And what history is, is like at the time,
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this was the shit. Like at the time, this was
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like the coolest thing you can get. Like 400 years ago,
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if you wanted to kill somebody. This was the way
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to do it. You had to get one of these things,
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which is very odd. Yeah. Which is very odd that– oh,
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look at all this stuff.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was George Washington shit there,
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but they had– that's.
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Speaker 2: What it looks like it would be. George Washington swords?
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I don't know. We should get one of those for Shane.
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He's a big George Washington fan. There you go. Oh, wow.
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Look at that. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I don't
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even know what that is. That's a weird one. Look
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at the handle on that fucker.
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Speaker 1: This is from Middle East, Central Asia. It could be.
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Speaker 2: Oh, look, it's got like a dragon mouth on the
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back of it. That's pretty sweet. Wow. Huh. All right, so...
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We need one of those. All right. Let's take a
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road trip, Jamie. We should probably do it before this
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episode comes out. No, grab it tonight. Yeah, we need
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to go down there today before this episode goes... Fuck
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up their business. Go there, it's empty. All these dorks
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have fucking armor all over their house now. It's just...
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People that are really into the old wars and recreating
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old wars, I always want to know what's wrong with you.
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Speaker 1: What happened to you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I grew up with a kid that was like that.
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That was obsessed with everything Army, Navy. His father was
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in the military, but he had never gone into the military.
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They wouldn't accept him.
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think he could ever pass
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the physical exam. He was a bigger dude.
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 3: His name was Maurice.
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20:34
a couple guys.
20:35
Speaker 2: Gary Player in the golfer.
20:37
Speaker 1: Well, they had kids in there also.
20:39
Speaker 2: That's funny. It's funny because I'd go, hey, why don't
20:42
you do it? Let me see you do a chin-up, bro.
20:47
Speaker 1: 22 push-ups for a 10-year-old.
20:49
Speaker 2: 22 push-ups. That's a lot.
20:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, 45 curl-ups. That's crazy.
20:55
Speaker 2: Six pull-ups. That's a lot. What's a curl-up?
20:59
Speaker 1: The other way, like biceps, hands, you know, pull-up with
21:02
your hands.
21:02
Speaker 3: 45?
21:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. Come on. That's a lot. That's crazy. Yeah. Wait
21:07
a minute.
21:08
Speaker 1: In an eight-minute mile?
21:09
Speaker 2: Come on. Is that really? It says six pull-ups or
21:13
45 curl-ups. But curl-ups aren't that much easier than pull-ups,
21:17
are they?
21:17
Speaker 1: I remember when I was 10, they were.
21:19
Speaker 2: What?
21:20
Speaker 1: But that's just being a 10-year-old. Because your body, you're
21:23
only like 60. I don't know. Kids are lighter than that.
21:27
Speaker 2: I am.
21:27
Speaker 3: I was heavier than most.
21:28
Speaker 1: I was going to say, there are different standards.
21:30
Speaker 2: I remember kids. But, bro, 45 is crazy. That seems.
21:34
Speaker 3: That seems excessive.
21:36
Speaker 2: That seems like a lot of reps. I don't even
21:38
understand how that's possible, that that's the standard. I don't
21:42
think I could do that.
21:43
Speaker 1: Actually, I think those are sit-ups. It's calling it a curl-up,
21:46
because here it says it.
21:47
Speaker 2: Measures abdominal strength. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Sit-ups. Okay. Oh,
21:52
why are they calling it curl-ups? I don't know. Because
21:54
it was like 45 reps. Chin-ups. So it's like there's
21:58
pull-ups and chin-ups. Which one's a pull-up? Which one's a chin-up?
22:01
Speaker 1: Pull-up hands over.
22:03
Speaker 2: Okay. And then chin-up is this way.
22:05
Speaker 1: That's what I remember.
22:06
Speaker 2: 45 of those would be bonkers. That's crazy. I can't
22:08
do that. Because like six pull-ups I could do.
22:13
Speaker 1: Easy.
22:13
Speaker 2: But 45 sit-ups is still hard. That's hard too.
22:18
Speaker 3: Well.
22:19
Speaker 2: That's a lot. It's a standard. Huh.
22:22
Speaker 3: Not every kid's there.
22:23
Speaker 2: That seems like a lot of kids wouldn't be there
22:25
for 45 sit-ups. Yep. What are they trying to do?
22:30
Speaker 3: What are they doing to us, Joe?
22:32
Speaker 2: I would fail on that, too, so they couldn't draft me.
22:34
These motherfuckers are talking about drafting people. I was listening
22:37
to Tim Dillon's show, and he was saying that, see
22:39
if this is true, that Palantir thinks that we should
22:42
reintroduce conscription, that kids should start getting drafted again into military,
22:48
and they should have mandatory military experience for kids. I
22:52
just don't understand why anybody would want to support that.
22:54
That sounds crazy. Especially after this Iran war, where everybody's like,
23:00
why the fuck are we in Iran? And if you
23:02
signed up for that, that sounds nuts. Is that real?
23:10
Palantir has publicly called for the U.S. to move away
23:13
from an all-volunteer military and towards some form of universal
23:17
national service. that many observers interpret as reintroducing a draft
23:22
or conscription.
23:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim got into this manifesto that I haven't looked
23:26
into this shit.
23:29
Speaker 2: Why the fuck would a tech company be saying that
23:33
we need to move towards a universal national military service?
23:38
How about fuck you? How about fuck you, you go? Because,
23:44
you know, none of these tech dorks that are running
23:46
these companies, they're not doing it. Like, what are you
23:49
talking about?
23:49
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:50
Speaker 2: Throwing meat into the machine. Right. Throwing people's children into
23:55
these unnecessary wars. Fuck you. It's scary. It's very scary.
24:01
It's scary that they would, like, how about let's figure
24:04
out a way to use your technology so there's no
24:05
more wars. Wouldn't that be a better goal? Right. Instead
24:09
of getting kids to fucking learn how to go shoot
24:12
people they don't know. Sure. Because someone tells you to.
24:16
And how many of these... Out of all the wars
24:19
that we've been in since World War II, is it
24:22
zero that made sense? I think it's zero. I don't
24:25
think there's one war that we've been in since World
24:27
War II that makes any fucking sense at all. Sure.
24:31
And they're like, Ivan, the solution is we need more
24:35
people to be forced into it.
24:38
Speaker 3: I mean, what would a draft look like in today's culture?
24:41
I mean, like with inclusion, would it be like anybody
24:45
at 18 years old? Can be drafted or do you
24:47
think it would still be just able-bodied young men?
24:51
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I, you know, I'm for people
24:56
doing whatever they want, but when it comes to like combat,
25:02
you're going to draft women. That would be fucking insane.
25:06
That would be insane. So are you not going to,
25:09
are you going to be sexist? Are you going to, yeah.
25:12
Are you going to go inclusion and say, Everybody has
25:16
to do it. Well, then that'll be good for America
25:18
because most people would say, get the fuck out of here.
25:21
There's not a chance in hell we're doing that. Right.
25:24
I still understand how people that aren't elected officials that
25:26
essentially just run a tech company would think it's a
25:29
good idea to call for national military service. I've heard
25:32
other people say that, too. I've heard, like, podcasters and
25:36
weird tech people say it's a good idea. And I
25:38
don't know what the fuck they're thinking. I think they
25:41
should have to go over there and experience war. And
25:45
then come back and see if you really think the
25:47
same thing. Sure.
25:48
Speaker 3: I buy that. I mean, or at least go on
25:52
like a USO tour or something. Go with Jeffrey Ross.
25:55
See what it's about, you know.
25:57
Speaker 2: Well, then you're just going to meet people that are
25:59
happy to see you. You need to actually see combat.
26:03
I just don't get why we're even listening to them.
26:07
You make software. Keep doing that.
26:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting that they don't even have the. Why
26:13
would they say that?
26:15
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't sound good. And it's also they make
26:17
weird surveillance software that a lot of people like. But
26:20
how much are you surveying? How much power do you have?
26:22
Like Tim Dillon went pretty deep on it on the show,
26:25
which is I can't recommend enough. If you did not
26:27
listen to the Tim Dillon show, you're fucking up. It's
26:30
the funniest fucking take on all the chaos that's going
26:33
on in the world. I don't think there's anybody better
26:35
right now. His podcast is fucking phenomenal. It's my must
26:40
listen to podcast every week.
26:42
Speaker 3: Yep.
26:43
Speaker 2: It's so good. I just listen, but if you watch it,
26:46
it's even more ridiculous. He did this thing about them
26:49
giving Ozempic to babies. Oh, it was so funny. It
26:57
was so ridiculous.
27:00
Speaker 3: My dad did Ozempic, and he said, he said, man,
27:03
you know, like, you can eat through that. He's like,
27:06
you can just keep going. I mean, you won't feel great, but,
27:10
you know, it curbs your appetite, but You can get
27:13
it out.
27:13
Speaker 2: Well, Tim talked about it because he did it. And
27:18
he said it didn't just stop his desire for food.
27:21
It stopped his desire for everything, which I've heard. So
27:25
there's some people that think there's some good in these
27:29
GLP-1s for addiction because it curbs whatever that is as well.
27:36
So it can help people with all kinds of addictions too,
27:39
not just like food addictions, alcohol, but gambling. Like weird stuff.
27:43
Speaker 3: I heard that.
27:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
27:45
Speaker 3: I did. I actually, I was doing it for a
27:47
minute and it was around the time that I was like,
27:51
one of the times I was trying to quit drinking
27:53
and I was working on a record and I was
27:56
trying it out and it actually curved my desire for
27:59
a drink.
28:00
Speaker 2: Yeah?
28:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:02
Speaker 2: What else did it do?
28:04
Speaker 3: Gave me really bad stomach cramps. Yeah. And also, I mean,
28:09
that was like before I really.
28:12
I just– I don't know. At that time in my life,
28:16
I just wasn't really concerned about what I put in
28:18
my body. I say that while I'm smoking a cigarette.
28:25
Speaker 2: But dude, you're smoking natural spirits. I think those are
28:28
safe and effective. Yeah.
28:31
Speaker 3: Additive free.
28:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just– I always wonder about these things when
28:38
things come along to give people an easy fix. Like, OK,
28:40
maybe it works or maybe there's some sort of side
28:43
effect that's going to fuck you up for the rest
28:45
of your life. And for some people, there is. I mean,
28:48
some people are experiencing all kinds of wild side effects.
28:51
Stomach paralysis is one of them. Brian Simpson got pancreatitis
28:55
from it. Really?
28:56
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah.
28:58
Speaker 2: He was sick in bed for like two weeks. It
29:00
fucked him up. Yeah.
29:03
Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I mean, the long term effects like you
29:05
just have no idea. Because it's new.
29:09
Speaker 2: I've also heard that the problem is the dosages are
29:12
too high. And when you go into a doctor, they
29:16
give you a standard dosage. And the way to do it,
29:19
some people feel, is to make a much smaller dose
29:22
than what they're prescribing. And that's what you need. You
29:27
just need a little bit of a curb to it,
29:29
not like a complete cessation of all desire to eat. Right.
29:35
Speaker 3: Getting to that high dosage really fast could probably be harmful.
29:40
Speaker 2: Or have some fucking discipline. Yeah. How about try that out?
29:44
How about try out don't eat as much? Same thing. Right.
29:48
Except this way it's not going to kill your body
29:50
or kill your stomach or make you go blind. What
29:53
are the side effects? Because there's a lot of lawsuits.
29:56
There's a shit ton of lawsuits. That are coming down
30:00
the pipe because I think people have gone blind. I
30:02
think I might have made that up. Check that. But
30:08
this is wild lawsuits.
30:10
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:11
Speaker 2: People are claiming bad side effects from this stuff, which,
30:15
you know, makes sense. It's medication. People vary biologically. Can cause.
30:20
Permanent blindness.
30:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:22
Speaker 2: In one eye. Oh, well, you know, you got your
30:26
other guy and now you got a six pack.
30:30
Speaker 1: Eye stroke.
30:31
Speaker 2: Eye stroke. Oh, boy.
30:33
Speaker 3: Wow.
30:35
Speaker 2: Non-arteritic interior ischemic optic neuropathy. I don't think I said
30:41
that right. Sudden painless and often permanent blindness in one eye. Wow.
30:47
Speaker 3: Eye stroke sounds like a punk band.
30:49
Speaker 2: It does. Side effects. Acute pancreatitis. That's what Brian got.
30:56
Gallbladder problems. gastroparesis, stomach paralysis, bowel obstructions, and potential thyroid tumors.
31:07
Mild GI issues are common. These severe complications require immediate
31:12
medical attention, often occurring more frequently at higher doses. Yeah,
31:16
that's what they're saying. Apparently, when you're getting it from
31:20
a pharmaceutical drug company, you're getting it. This is the
31:23
argument for compounding pharmacies, apparently. And then Then there's a
31:28
new one that's coming out. What is it called? Rituitide?
31:31
Speaker 1: Rituitide.
31:32
Speaker 2: Ritututide. Ritututide. And this one is supposed to be better
31:37
because it doesn't cause muscle loss and it doesn't cause
31:40
bone density loss and it's supposed to be more effective.
31:45
Speaker 3: Huh.
31:46
Speaker 2: Investigational.
31:48
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I just typed in Ritututide.
31:51
Speaker 2: Isn't that a weird word? Investigational? Once weekly injectable triple
31:56
agonist medication targeting GLP-1, GIP, and glucogen receptors. Developed by
32:03
Eli Lilly. Showing unprecedented weight loss results of up to
32:07
24% in phase two trials. They say that this is
32:10
going to be a trillion dollar medication. Or have some
32:17
fucking discipline. Yeah. Go to the gym. Eat better. Be healthy.
32:22
Do what Jelly Roll did. Yeah. Jelly Roll was at
32:24
the club last night. He's down 300 pounds.
32:28
Speaker 3: That's fucking nuts.
32:29
Speaker 2: He runs like five miles a day. He works out
32:31
every day. He looks fantastic. He looks like a different person.
32:36
I knew him when he was like 500 pounds, and
32:39
now I know him when he's in the twos. It's
32:41
like he's a different human. I know it's still Jelly Roll,
32:45
but it looks like a completely different man. It's nuts.
32:49
Speaker 3: I remember when we did– I was in the house
32:51
band for Kill Tony at the Garden. And Jelly came
32:55
out and did New York, New York.
32:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there.
32:57
Speaker 3: That's got to be a custom suit. I was like,
33:00
that's a big suit. Yeah. And then the next time
33:02
I saw him, he was like he is now. And
33:06
I mean, hell, like what I did, because I have
33:09
an appetite, you know. Like what I do now, like
33:11
I'm basically doing like a keto diet because I like
33:14
to eat a lot of whatever it is.
33:16
Speaker 2: Me too.
33:17
Speaker 3: So if it's like a big salad, you know, or whatever.
33:20
But I'm down like 25 pounds doing that.
33:22
Speaker 2: Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Are you doing this with the
33:24
help of a nutritionist? Are you just doing it on
33:26
your own?
33:26
Speaker 3: Just doing it on my own. Yeah.
33:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. You're laughing.
33:32
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's just, I've tried
33:36
a few different routes, man. I've been, you know, husky
33:41
since I was a kid and shopping in the husky
33:42
department at Kmart, you know.
33:45
Speaker 2: Is this, do you think it's a genetic thing? Do
33:48
you think it's the way you ate as a child?
33:49
What do you think?
33:51
Speaker 3: I think psychological, a lot of it. Um, it was
33:54
like the only thing I had control of as a,
33:57
as a child is like food. It was like, and
34:00
a scarcity mindset as well. Just like the way that I,
34:05
you know, think about food is just, you know, probably
34:08
not the healthiest. So for me, it's just easier to
34:10
say like, I don't eat these things. Cause like if
34:14
I eat bread or something like that, it just hurts
34:16
my stomach now, you know? And I just, I can
34:19
feel like, The difference when I don't eat it. I
34:23
just feel better. I have more energy.
34:25
Speaker 2: 100%. Yeah.
34:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:28
Speaker 2: And once you get your body working on ketones too,
34:31
the thing is just your brain functions better. That's one
34:34
of the more interesting things. That's why people take things
34:37
like ketone– what is it? Ketone IQ? That stuff is great.
34:43
Like you just down one of those little shots and
34:45
it puts you into ketosis temporarily.
34:48
Speaker 3: Oh, really?
34:49
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're exogenous ketones. I think the guy who just
34:52
invented those just died. He was also a guy that
34:57
worked for Balco Labs. He developed the clear, that shit
35:01
that Barry Bonds took.
35:02
Speaker 3: Okay.
35:03
Speaker 2: The steroids. So this guy was a chemist. He was
35:05
a scientist. I think someone– oh, I think Chris Bell.
35:10
Chris Bell or Mark– I think it was Mark Bell
35:12
just posted about it on his Instagram page that this
35:14
guy just died. This guy was like one of America's
35:17
great chemists. And he developed a lot of these things,
35:20
including exogenous ketones, according to Mark. But that's one of
35:27
the things that I noticed when I went into– when
35:29
I did the carnivore diet is that immediately my brain
35:33
just started functioning better, which is what I try to
35:36
eat most of the time. Like this morning I ate
35:39
sausage and eggs and sausage from an animal that I shot.
35:43
I like to do that. I eat like– I had sable.
35:46
This is the guy. So this is Mark's. The greatest
35:49
chemist of our time and possibly any other, Patrick Arnold,
35:52
is dead. Patrick Arnold is the guy who made the
35:55
cream and the clear for the Bonds and McGuire– oh,
35:59
that Bonds and McGuire blasted home runs off of supposedly.
36:03
In addition to those incredible inventions, he also brought exogenous
36:08
ketones to the market.
36:10
Speaker 3: What happened to that guy?
36:11
Speaker 2: How did he die?
36:12
Speaker 3: That's an interesting picture to put up. Yeah. Looks like
36:15
Oswald looking at– Jack Ruby.
36:18
Speaker 2: He looks healthy. I want to know how he died.
36:20
I wonder how old that picture was. Organic chemists. Androstenedione, too. Oh,
36:32
he had all those pro, what are those, prohormones or
36:36
whatever those things were that people were taking that weren't
36:39
totally steroids, but they were kind of steroid-like. How did
36:44
he die? Does it say? he died at 60 hmm
36:58
maybe he's experimenting on himself why don't you just put
37:02
in cause of death I know it should come up
37:10
you would think a guy who's working on like performance
37:13
and fitness Does it say? No. There's a Reddit post,
37:22
but I don't know. When you click on what happened
37:26
to David Arnold. Oh, Patrick Arnold. Huh. So it just
37:30
doesn't say how he died? Nope.
37:31
Speaker 1: And it just happened, so there's not a lot about it.
37:34
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So it hasn't been released yet.
37:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:38
Speaker 1: It doesn't say.
37:40
Speaker 2: Made a lot of roids. You gotta wonder. The dude
37:45
is like, doing so much work in anabolic steroids. He
37:48
worked for Balco. They were the ones that were making
37:51
undetectable steroids. Do you know about that whole story? This
37:54
is back in the, was it in the 90s, Jamie?
37:59
The Maguire.
38:00
Speaker 1: It was around 2000.
38:01
Speaker 2: So they developed steroids that were undetectable. So when they
38:06
would test for steroids, what they would do is they
38:08
would take, because when, I guess the way it works
38:11
is when they're doing a steroid test, they're looking for
38:13
very specific molecules that So they invented a molecule that
38:17
had like additional things attached to it where it wouldn't
38:19
show up. I'm probably butchering that. But essentially they were
38:24
undetectable steroids. One of them was called the Clear. And
38:27
the guy who ran the lab was called Balco Laboratories.
38:30
It was this guy, Victor Conti, who eventually went to
38:33
jail for that. And then when he– I don't know
38:35
why he went to jail. But he got out and
38:37
then became an anti-steroid sort of activist. And he was–
38:43
I don't want to say activist, but he was essentially–
38:45
he was ratting people out and saying that this guy
38:49
is probably doing steroids and this is how he's doing it.
38:51
And then a lot of athletes were using his company
38:55
to use steroid-free performance-enhancing supplements that were legal. So he
39:00
would show you what's legal and how to do it.
39:02
He knew a lot about it because he did the
39:03
illegal stuff too.
39:05
Speaker 3: Interesting.
39:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:09
Speaker 3: I've gotten a couple steroid shots like before a show,
39:12
like if my voice goes up.
39:13
Speaker 2: Like what kind? Is it like a cortisone?
39:16
Speaker 3: I guess that's what it is. It's like that one
39:17
that they shoot in your ass, Jake.
39:19
Speaker 1: Hmm.
39:20
Speaker 2: What does that do, like, for your voice when your
39:23
voice goes?
39:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just brings you back.
39:25
Speaker 2: Man, it's got to be rough when a fucking singer
39:27
loses their voice.
39:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean. people have asked me before what my
39:32
warm-up routine is, and I've never had one.
39:35
Speaker 2: A few cigarettes.
39:36
Speaker 3: A couple cigarettes. It used to be a shot of whiskey.
39:41
If I was really in dire straits, I would take
39:44
a handful of sugar-free gummy bears and put boiling water
39:48
on that.
39:49
Speaker 2: Really?
39:49
Speaker 3: And then the gummy bears would like coat my throat.
39:52
Speaker 2: Huh.
39:52
Speaker 3: Like honey, ginger, lemon.
39:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hot water and lemon is a really good one.
39:57
There's something about that that eases.
39:59
Speaker 3: It's like time off is what fucks my voice up
40:01
more than anything.
40:02
Speaker 2: Time off?
40:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
40:03
Speaker 2: Really? Oh, so like your vocal cords get out of shape. Mm-hmm. Interesting.
40:08
Speaker 3: Because it's hard to like keep them up, you know?
40:11
Speaker 2: Right.
40:11
Speaker 3: Unless you're like going in your garage and screaming for
40:14
two hours a night, you know?
40:15
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I never thought about it like that. Like
40:18
your vocal cords are essentially a muscle like any other
40:20
and they develop over time and you get endurance. That
40:25
makes sense. Yeah.
40:26
Speaker 3: So like the pandemic was like the first time that
40:29
a lot of us like had any extended amount of
40:33
time off from the road. And we all started noticing like,
40:37
or at least me, like I came back like hurting
40:40
a little bit.
40:41
Speaker 2: Oh, that makes sense. I saw Guns N' Roses in Athens, Greece,
40:47
and Axl Rose has that crazy singing style. It's like
40:52
a– and that has to be fucking hell on your voice.
40:56
And the show was amazing, but his voice is not
41:00
the same. It's just– there's no way it can be.
41:05
Speaker 3: I know Steven Tyler, like he's back.
41:08
Speaker 2: Is he?
41:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:08
Speaker 2: So he quit for a while because he was like,
41:11
I can't sing. And then he healed up and now
41:14
he's back again.
41:14
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what he did, but I played
41:18
with him back in January. And like the boys.
41:20
Speaker 1: Really?
41:21
Speaker 3: The boys back. No shit.
41:23
Speaker 2: That's fucking great.
41:24
Speaker 3: Singing his ass off.
41:25
Speaker 2: That's fucking great. I love to hear that. I saw
41:28
the Stones a couple of years ago at Circuit of
41:31
the Americas and Mick Jagger can still wail. He could
41:36
still wail. That was a great fucking show. Almost surreal.
41:40
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of energy, too, man.
41:42
Speaker 2: So much energy.
41:43
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
41:44
Speaker 2: He has two trailer trucks that he brings with him
41:46
that are just gym equipment. Wow. Everywhere they go, two
41:50
big-ass trailer trucks just filled with gym equipment. They say
41:53
he works out seven days a week. That's awesome. And
41:56
he's 180,000 years old. He's still up there. And Keith Richards,
42:02
opposite approach. Whiskey, cocaine, LSD.
42:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
42:05
Speaker 2: No problems still there too. So it's like, yeah, find
42:09
something you love and stick with it.
42:11
Speaker 3: I know. It's so funny. Like it makes me think
42:15
of like, we went out with Willie a few times and, um,
42:19
Willie's got like, like most artists, he's got like 18
42:23
tractor trailers back there. But like, I don't know if
42:26
you've been to a Willie Nelson show recently. It's like,
42:28
there's nothing on stage. I'm like, what's in all these
42:30
fucking trucks. I never really got to the bottom of that,
42:33
but there's like, Seven or eight truck drivers back there.
42:38
Speaker 2: It's all weed.
42:39
Speaker 3: It must be all weed or something.
42:41
Speaker 2: You go in, it's all grow lights and plants and shit.
42:44
He's got that drink that they sell. Oh, yeah. He's
42:47
got that weed drink.
42:49
Speaker 3: Well, there's remedy.
42:49
Speaker 2: Yeah. And Ron White brought some to the green room
42:53
of the Comedy Mothership. And someone was saying, oh, you
42:55
can't get it. That's not real. I'm like, it's real
42:58
as fuck, dude. That stuff's very legit.
43:00
Speaker 3: It's real.
43:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
43:02
Speaker 2: It's very, I don't know what the rules are, the
43:04
laws are.
43:06
Speaker 3: It's starting to become like a gray area.
43:09
Speaker 2: It should be. I mean, they just made it schedule three. OK,
43:14
so what that means is and I mean, it's a
43:18
great step in the right direction. I'm very happy that
43:20
the president did that. It really should be regulated the
43:23
same way alcohol is. It should be for adult use.
43:26
Twenty one and older. It shouldn't be maybe. I wonder
43:30
what the issue. Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of issues, right?
43:32
There's like lobbies that are trying to keep it illegal.
43:35
Like there's the alcohol lobby that doesn't want it legal
43:38
because it cuts down on alcohol sales. And I know
43:40
they lobby to try to make sure those laws stay
43:43
in place. And then unfortunately you have prison guard unions
43:48
that lobby for it, which is fucked. They want to
43:51
keep their job. And so the way they keep their
43:53
job is to keep people locked up. And the way
43:55
they keep people locked up is keep laws that don't
43:59
make sense. Like we fucked up. That's an evil fucking law.
44:06
It's it just doesn't make any sense. If you can
44:08
buy alcohol, you should be like, I'm not saying you
44:11
should drink alcohol. You don't drink alcohol anymore. Like I said,
44:14
I took months off. It's like you should have some self-control.
44:18
And I know some people don't. But get your shit together.
44:21
You should. But other people are fine with alcohol. They
44:23
go to the bar, have a drink or two, go home,
44:26
go out to dinner, have a drink, go at home,
44:29
have a drink while they're watching TV and they're fine.
44:32
It should be a personal choice. No adult should be
44:35
able to tell you what you can and can't do
44:37
and be able to lock you up in a fucking
44:39
cage if you don't listen. That's nuts. And in a
44:42
free country, and this country is as free as it
44:45
gets in this world, there's no way weed should be illegal.
44:49
It should be regulated and it should be only for
44:52
people that are adults where you have to be 21
44:56
to be able to buy it. Look, it's never stopped
44:58
kids from getting alcohol. They still get alcohol. It's not
45:01
stopping kids right now from getting weed. They can still
45:03
get weed. But if it was legal and regulated, first
45:07
of all, we'd get taxes from it, and that would
45:09
be huge for every state. You'd get a ton of
45:12
tax money that you're not getting right now. And also
45:14
you would keep people from getting locked up for their
45:17
own personal choices, which is just insane. I mean not
45:22
a lot of people get locked up for personal use
45:24
these days. That's pretty rare. But there's still– there's just
45:28
way too many laws.
45:30
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's interesting too. Like if you have
45:34
like CBD flour, technically that's legal.
45:40
Speaker 2: Yes.
45:40
Speaker 3: So like if you just put some of your cannabis
45:43
in a CBD container, like are there ways to like
45:46
test that on the side of the road? Like if
45:48
you get pulled and they search your car?
45:50
Speaker 2: Not on the side of the road, but they could
45:51
confiscate it and then test it I think. But there's
45:56
weird things about like legalization of– I was watching a
45:58
YouTube video. about what Texas's laws were and Texas's laws
46:04
are the amount of THC by volume. So the thing
46:09
about that is if you get like gummies, like a
46:14
10 milligram gummy will pass that by volume and be legal.
46:19
So are you saying that people can take 10 milligram
46:22
THC gummies and that's legal because they'll fuck you up
46:27
like a, If you don't smoke weed, a 10 milligram
46:30
THC gummy will have you going. Take two of those
46:37
and who knows what's going to happen to you.
46:39
Speaker 3: I just watched this movie that a friend of mine
46:42
was in this movie, Laney Wilson. And we watched the
46:46
movie and I don't want to spoil the movie for anybody.
46:49
But it turns out that the girl like she went
46:53
to jail because she was impaired while driving and she
46:56
was impaired by weed gummies. And I was like, that's
46:59
kind of okay.
47:01
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how much you took.
47:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
47:05
Speaker 2: If you take 200 milligrams to get behind a wheel,
47:07
you're not even exactly sure what the road.
47:08
Speaker 3: Is going to be like. 200 milligrams is a lot, yeah.
47:10
Speaker 2: Right? So that's pretty impaired. That's equivalent to like eight
47:13
shots of whiskey and then getting in your truck.
47:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:16
Speaker 3: Right?
47:16
Speaker 2: You're impaired.
47:17
Speaker 3: I guess you're right.
47:18
Speaker 2: I don't think you should drive on weed. I don't.
47:20
I definitely don't think you should drive fucked up. But
47:23
it's like the same... Like I don't advocate drinking and
47:26
driving either. But if you have like one drink and drive,
47:31
like you're going to feel like a little relaxed and lubricated.
47:36
But I don't know how much you'll be– and it
47:38
also varies on who the person is. If the person
47:41
is used to drinking all the time, one drink is
47:43
not going to do a damn thing to them. But
47:46
for some people, one drink will make you drive stupid.
47:50
You'll do stupid things. Yeah. It's all a personal responsibility thing.
47:55
That's the bottom line about all of it. And, yeah,
47:58
you shouldn't be out there drinking and driving. You shouldn't
48:00
be out there eating 500 milligram edibles and fucking driving
48:03
in a car. No. No.
48:04
Speaker 3: I remember one time my drummer had this, like, THC spray.
48:09
Have you ever fucked with that?
48:10
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. We had that back in California. Yeah. Like,
48:13
breath spray.
48:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
48:15
Speaker 3: And I was still drinking at the time. And me
48:17
and my wife were both just hammered. And we were
48:20
on this. a ferry, like the tour bus goes onto
48:23
the ferry and the ferry carries you over from, um,
48:27
France to the UK. And we were like sitting in
48:30
the lounge area on the ferry, a lounge area on
48:33
the ferry rather. And, um, he had this spray and
48:37
I was like, it's not doing anything. Me and my
48:40
wife both kept just spraying it.
48:42
Speaker 2: No.
48:42
Speaker 3: And, uh, and I woke up in my bed, just
48:45
like in a cartoon, just like completely removed from reality. Just, And, yeah,
48:53
it was a bad, bad scene.
48:55
Speaker 2: I remember one time I took a– they had these
48:57
THC breath strips that they used to sell. And the
49:00
problem with these things– and this is back in the
49:03
pre-legalization days of pre-2016 in California. And so each store
49:10
you would get weed at, like they would have medical stores.
49:14
So you could go to a doctor and say, hey, doc,
49:16
I got a headache. And they go, you need medicine.
49:19
And they would write your prescription and then you can go.
49:22
And like there's always reasons to have it, just like
49:25
there's reasons to have Tylenol. Do you get a headache?
49:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
49:27
Speaker 2: Well, then you need it. Do you have a backache?
49:29
Speaker 3: Yeah.
49:29
Speaker 2: Well, then you need it. So you could get it
49:32
pretty easy. And they had these breast strips and I
49:35
took one and I got on a plane. and I
49:37
closed my eyes when I was lying on the plane
49:39
and I was watching neon car, like cartoon characters that
49:43
are made out of neon light and they were having sex.
49:47
It was an orgy of car. And I was just
49:49
lying there with my eyes closed watching these cartoon neon characters. Fuck.
49:54
And they were fucking in like complete blackness, like void.
49:59
So it was just the colors of their weird bodies
50:01
just banging each other. And then they would shift shapes
50:04
and another one will pile on and they would, I
50:06
was like, this is crazy. It was very psychedelic. It
50:09
was almost like, but when I'd open my eyes, the
50:12
world was normal. It wasn't like I was, the world
50:14
was wiggling and, and I was just sitting, I didn't
50:16
have anything to do. I was flying all the way
50:18
in New York. It was a six hour flight. By
50:20
the time it landed, I'd sobered up. But I was like,
50:23
this is great. Like how much is in these fucking things?
50:26
Cause it's, they're not making them in the same labs
50:28
where they're making fucking Tylenol. You know what I mean?
50:30
It's some hippie, some dude who's like, Pouring weed into
50:34
a machine and can't remember whether or not he put
50:37
weed in there because he's high as fuck, so he
50:38
adds double. They're very inconsistent.
50:41
Speaker 3: It's like the microdoses that I used to get in Macon, Georgia.
50:44
I was like, some of these are stronger than other ones.
50:47
He's like, yeah. So depending on the day, my boy
50:52
Hubble's like, you know, he's going to ride it for
50:56
whatever it is.
50:57
Speaker 2: Well, that's why we need legalization regulation. That's the beautiful
51:00
thing about whiskey. You get a glass of whiskey, you
51:02
get a shot, you know exactly what that shot's going
51:04
to do. Shots of whiskey have been having the same
51:07
impact on human beings for hundreds of fucking years.
51:10
Speaker 3: You can quantify it.
51:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how it should be with all these things.
51:13
But the problem is when they're outlawed, you know, some
51:17
of them are, you know, a glass of wine. Some
51:19
of them are fucking moonshine. Like, you need regulation. And it's...
51:25
The idea that there's laws against people's personal choices is
51:29
fucking stupid, man. There's plenty of laws that are good.
51:33
Don't murder people. Don't rob. Don't rape. Don't do this.
51:36
Don't do that. That's great. Don't vandalize. Great. Great laws.
51:39
Makes sense. Better society. Laws on personal choices, especially things
51:44
that you might enjoy, like having a joint with your
51:47
wife after dinner and just sitting there and watching Netflix together,
51:51
like the fucking– Armed thugs can burst into your house
51:55
and take the joint away from you. Like who are
51:57
we protecting? Who are we serving? Who are we protecting
52:00
and serving with that? That's dumb. It's just bad for society.
52:06
And it creates this business. Once a business is established,
52:10
the business of enforcement, once that business is established, that
52:13
business doesn't want to go away because now you have
52:15
a bunch of people whose jobs depend on enforcing laws
52:18
and enforcing these things that don't make any sense. And
52:21
they want to protect that because that's their livelihood. So
52:24
now you've got a quagmire. Now you're in a fucking
52:26
terrible situation. There's no easy way out other than ripping
52:29
the Band-Aid off and making it legal. You're also propping
52:32
up the cartels. That's the other problem with it being
52:36
completely illegal in this country federally. It's like, well, guess what?
52:41
There's still a demand for it. So legal companies that
52:44
actually employ people and give the employees health care and
52:48
have rules and regulations, no, they're not making it. So
52:52
they're not growing it. So instead, you have fucking cartels
52:56
that are growing it in California on public land because
52:59
if you get caught, it's just a misdemeanor because it's
53:02
legal in California. So literally, I think it's more than
53:06
80 percent of all the weed that's sold in the
53:10
United States that's illegal is grown in California on public
53:14
lands by the cartel. And they use toxic pesticides and
53:18
herbicides everywhere. They use all kinds of shit that you're
53:21
not allowed to use in normal farming. And the only
53:26
reason why it exists is because we've made these stupid
53:28
fucking laws. So now that it's Schedule 3, it's in
53:33
the same category as like Tylenol with codeine, which is
53:38
not bad. It's better– certainly better than Schedule 1, which
53:40
is ridiculous. So now hopefully once they do more testing
53:46
and more studies– They can get to a point where
53:49
federally it's legal and regulated. That would be the best
53:53
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55:03
Speaker 3: When did it... When did it get scheduled as Schedule 1?
55:07
Speaker 2: Well, the whole Schedule 1 thing, this is what I
55:10
talked about when I went to the White House recently,
55:13
which is a hilarious thing to say for a retard
55:15
like me. That I helped get things scheduled. I mean
55:21
when it all goes down in the history books, they
55:23
attach my name to this. It's going to be– Really confusing.
55:27
They're going to be like, fucking that guy? What?
55:30
Speaker 3: How?
55:30
Speaker 2: What the fuck happened? So when in 1970, the Richard
55:35
Nixon administration passed the Controlled Substances Act and it made DMT, psilocybin, LSD,
55:45
all these different things. It made them schedule one. So
55:49
the idea is that there was no benefit, including Ibogaine,
55:53
which is crazy. which means it has no medical benefit
55:57
and harmful and addictive, all these different qualities that they
56:02
attach to it. But the only reason they did that
56:04
was to target the civil rights movement. The civil rights
56:07
movement and the anti-war movement, that's what they were doing.
56:09
They didn't like the fact that these people were causing
56:12
trouble and then they were organizing marches and doing all
56:15
these different things that were disrupting the government. And there
56:18
was also this movement where people were like, why are
56:21
we living the way we're living? This was the 60s.
56:24
Why are we doing what we're doing? Well, I don't
56:26
want to be like my parents. They're not happy. I
56:29
want to live a life that's freer. I want to
56:31
be filled with love and joy. And I want to
56:33
have a good time and follow the Grateful Dead around.
56:36
So a lot of people in government were very concerned
56:39
with this new movement. And if you go and– like
56:44
music is a great example. Like if you look at
56:46
the music of the 1950s. And then you look at
56:48
the music of the 1960s, like, what the fuck happened? Yeah. Like,
56:52
if you look at the music of 2016 and the
56:55
music of 2026, not much difference. Right. Right? It's all great.
57:01
But it's like, there's not some revolutionary, crazy new change.
57:05
But you saw that from 1959 to 1969, there is
57:09
a radical difference. A radical difference. 1950, you got like,
57:14
you go from Buddy Holly- To Jimi Hendrix. Like, OK,
57:18
what the fuck happened? Something crazy must have happened.
57:22
Speaker 3: And it's drugs.
57:23
Speaker 2: It's psychedelic drugs.
57:24
Speaker 3: It's like the stoned ape theory in our modern society.
57:28
Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. And this terrified the administration. And they were
57:34
really worried that they were going to completely lose control
57:37
of the country. And so they passed this Controlled Substances Act.
57:43
And that happened. In 1970 and from that time on,
57:48
we've been fucked. For 56 fucking years, we've been under
57:53
the grip of this stupid fucking law that was passed
57:56
by the Nixon administration that didn't make any sense. Some
57:59
of the drugs that they added to aren't even psychoactive.
58:03
They just threw a bunch of stuff in there and
58:04
they missed a bunch of potent ones. Yeah. They missed
58:08
5-Methoxy DMT. They missed 5-MeO DMT, which is one of
58:11
the most potent psychedelics, if not the most potent psychedelic.
58:15
You used to be able to buy that online. Oh, wow. Dude,
58:18
there was a company that you could order from, and
58:20
they would send you a fucking jug of it as
58:24
big as this. Now, the amount that gets you blasted
58:28
into the center of the universe and introduces you to
58:30
God– It's like the size that goes on your pinky.
58:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:34
Speaker 2: Like your pinky nail, like that amount. You smoke that,
58:37
you'll see God.
58:38
Speaker 3: Wow.
58:39
Speaker 2: And you could just buy a fucking jar of it online.
58:43
There was a company called the American Chemical Company. American
58:47
Chemical Company or American Chemical Corporation. And you used to
58:50
be able to just buy 5-methoxy DMT and they would
58:54
just send it to you like a jar of vitamins.
58:56
Speaker 3: Wow.
58:58
Speaker 2: And then you could go to head shops and buy salvia.
59:01
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
59:02
Speaker 2: So salvia is a fucking insanely potent psychedelic, which, by
59:07
the way, is also sage. Like sage is the same family,
59:12
the same genus as Salvia. So like think about it.
59:16
Sage meaning wise, like an old sage. And meanwhile, that
59:21
is one of the most potent psychedelics in the world.
59:24
And so kids were going to head shops and buying Salvia.
59:28
I don't know if they've made that illegal now. They
59:30
probably have, right? Is Salvia illegal now?
59:32
Speaker 3: I think– I don't know.
59:39
Speaker 2: So Ari Shafir on Brian Redband's podcast. Do you know
59:43
this story? No. Okay. Ari Shafir went on Brian Redband's
59:47
podcast and took a giant hit of Salvia and went
59:50
under for like 10 minutes. And when he came back,
59:54
he said that he had lived six months under the water.
59:58
with an entire different community of human beings under the water,
1:00:04
had relationships, had a job, had a six-month experience, and
1:00:09
then came back in that 10 minutes. And he was
1:00:12
so confused. He was so baffled. He's like, I had
1:00:15
a life under there. I had a girlfriend. I had friends.
1:00:19
He goes, I had all these experiences.
1:00:21
Speaker 3: Oh, shit. Yeah. Ari's crazy, man.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: He's crazy. He's fun.
1:00:25
Speaker 3: He came out to my show in New York. He's
1:00:28
the man.
1:00:29
Speaker 2: He is the man. Um, but I mean, that's, that's
1:00:33
how potent this fucking Salvia stuff is. By the way,
1:00:36
a lady had a very similar experience recently who, uh,
1:00:40
went into a coma. So she was in a coma
1:00:43
for an extended period of time. I want to say
1:00:46
it was like a few months. And when she came out,
1:00:50
she had a whole life that she said she had
1:00:53
triplets and she had like she was married, all these
1:00:57
different things. Here's a story. She asked for her triplets
1:01:01
after waking up from a coma. Doctors say they never existed.
1:01:04
When she woke from a coma, first thing she did
1:01:06
was ask for her three daughters. Medical staff was stunned.
1:01:10
The response shattered her entire world. Just like that, the
1:01:13
children she had nursed, watched grow, and deeply cared for
1:01:16
over seven years were gone. So she was placed in
1:01:20
a medically induced coma for three weeks and And what
1:01:23
followed was a dream of a lifetime, quite literally. She
1:01:26
was obviously not aware that she was in a coma. Instead,
1:01:28
she slipped into a dream and a lifetime unfolded before
1:01:32
her eyes. Talking to the outlet, the teen recalled having
1:01:35
extremely intense dreams and nightmares. She was not aware that
1:01:38
she was in a coma at the time. So those
1:01:39
dreams became her reality. So she became a mother. She
1:01:44
said it felt so real. She felt the physical and
1:01:46
emotional pain throughout the hallucination. I could feel so many things.
1:01:50
When I dreamed about giving birth, I felt the stress.
1:01:53
I also felt a lot of pain in this dream.
1:01:55
I gave birth to triplets who I named Mila, Miles,
1:01:59
and Miley. Miley died shortly after birth. I felt so awful,
1:02:03
overwhelmed with sadness and guilt, she recalled. She remembers the
1:02:07
first skin-to-skin contact that she had with her babies. It
1:02:10
was incredible. I felt an overwhelming wave of love, she added.
1:02:14
In her dreams, she lived for seven years and watched
1:02:17
her daughters grow up. Each had their own personalities. One
1:02:20
was quite shy. The other was a bundle of energy.
1:02:23
I remember walks, meals we shared, and bedtime stories. She
1:02:28
loved them with all her heart. And then she woke
1:02:31
up from the coma and was told that her children
1:02:32
never existed. That's when they told me they didn't exist.
1:02:35
I was in shock. I was so convinced that it
1:02:37
was real that the time I saw my parents again,
1:02:40
I told them they were grandparents.
1:02:43
Speaker 3: Whoa.
1:02:45
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder, what is reality? What is this
1:02:51
thing that we're currently experiencing? We're currently experiencing this thing,
1:02:56
but what is this? Is this everything? Is this the
1:03:01
whole thing? Or is this like one channel on an
1:03:04
infinite radio? And just while we're on that channel, we
1:03:08
think this is the radio. Maybe when you go to sleep,
1:03:14
Maybe that's just as real as being awake.
1:03:16
Speaker 3: It's a heavy thought.
1:03:20
Speaker 2: But the idea that you just shut off every night
1:03:22
is bananas. Yeah. We look forward to it. Oh, can't
1:03:25
wait to just go away.
1:03:26
Speaker 3: Go away from you.
1:03:29
Speaker 2: Can't wait to not exist. And if you don't, like,
1:03:31
if I don't get enough sleep, I'm, like, whatever happens
1:03:37
during the dream time, the sleep time, the recovery, I
1:03:40
feel it. My waking life, like, I haven't done what
1:03:45
I'm supposed to do by sleeping for an extended period
1:03:48
of time. So this reality is compromised. This reality, I'm dumber.
1:03:53
My memory sucks. I'm more tired. I don't have any energy.
1:03:56
I can't wait to go to sleep. I can't wait
1:03:58
to shut off so I can pay back the void.
1:04:01
Pay back the void, the time I owe into the
1:04:04
dreamland of bizarre dreams. Yeah.
1:04:09
Speaker 3: And just the symbolism of dreams too. I've been having
1:04:11
a lot of crazy dreams lately.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: Like what?
1:04:14
Speaker 3: I dream about snakes a lot, which is a good sign.
1:04:18
Speaker 2: Is it?
1:04:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, dreaming about snakes evidently just represents shedding your skin,
1:04:24
going into something new, growing.
1:04:27
Speaker 2: Or you're surrounded by people who want to get you.
1:04:29
Speaker 3: Or maybe that. Which both can be true. You know
1:04:35
the music business.
1:04:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot of snakes. Isn't it every business, though?
1:04:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just the idea, like, the business side
1:04:47
is just so in contrast to, like, the artistic sensibility,
1:04:53
you know? An artist is supposed to be, not supposed
1:04:57
to be, but just, like, psychological. Our makeup is more just, like,
1:05:01
open and just more just, like, giving and wanting to
1:05:04
share your craft with somebody and more emotional.
1:05:07
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah.
1:05:08
Speaker 3: And then having to be like a shark and having
1:05:11
to think, like, these snakes.
1:05:15
Speaker 2: Contracts.
1:05:16
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sign the target line, Marcus.
1:05:23
Speaker 2: You're going to make so much money, Marcus. It's only
1:05:29
seven years.
1:05:30
Speaker 3: It's just seven years.
1:05:31
Speaker 2: With an extension. With options.
1:05:34
Speaker 3: With options, I was about to say. You'll be free.
1:05:37
Speaker 2: Don't worry about these song rights.
1:05:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:05:39
Speaker 2: You'll have other songs in Bet on yourself, Marcus. Take
1:05:47
the money. Don't you want a big house? Don't you
1:05:50
want a fancy car? You need a Rolex.
1:05:55
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Late Night with the Devil?
1:05:59
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:06:00
Speaker 3: That was fucking good.
1:06:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the talk show?
1:06:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:06:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is great, man. Who made that?
1:06:05
Speaker 3: That's a good question.
1:06:08
Speaker 2: That's a really good movie, man.
1:06:09
Speaker 3: We watched it on the bus one night. I was like, whoa.
1:06:12
Speaker 2: That was like 2019 or something.
1:06:13
Speaker 3: It was heavy.
1:06:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was 2024. Oh, it's an Australian movie. Jack Delroy,
1:06:21
the host of a failing. It's in 1977. Jack Delroy,
1:06:25
the host of a failing late night show decides decides
1:06:28
to film a Halloween special. However, the broadcast takes a
1:06:31
dark turn, unleashing evil into the nation's living rooms. Yeah,
1:06:35
it's a dope movie. It's really fun. It's fucking scary shit, too.
1:06:39
Speaker 3: It was scary.
1:06:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good. Bro, you know what's fucking scary
1:06:42
as shit and really good that I just found out
1:06:45
about from my daughter? There's a new show called– well,
1:06:49
it's not even new. It's like four seasons. It's called From.
1:06:54
Speaker 3: From?
1:06:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:06:55
Speaker 3: What's it on?
1:06:55
Speaker 2: Is it on like a– It's on Apple TV. I
1:06:58
don't know if it's an Apple show, but it's on
1:07:01
Apple TV. It's with the dude from Lost, one of
1:07:05
the dads from Lost.
1:07:06
Speaker 1: Harold Perrineau.
1:07:08
Speaker 2: Lost was a good fucking show. He's been in a
1:07:11
lot of things. He's great. And the show is fucking terrifying.
1:07:17
It's very original and very weird. So it came out
1:07:23
in 2022. Interesting.
1:07:24
Speaker 1: The first season premiered on Epyx.
1:07:27
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. What's it on now? Is it just on
1:07:30
Apple TV?
1:07:35
Speaker 1: Release, Epyx, MGM +.
1:07:40
Speaker 2: So it says in 2018, YouTube Red. Remember we were
1:07:43
talking about YouTube.
1:07:46
Speaker 1: Red?
1:07:48
Speaker 2: I was on all over the place. Huh. So it
1:07:54
appeared on Epix. I don't even know what MGM Plus is.
1:07:58
Maybe that's just the company that's the production company. So
1:08:01
in 2026, they renewed the series. for a fifth and
1:08:05
final season. It's fucking good, man. It's good. And it's
1:08:09
really scary. It's really scary and fucking creepy and horrific.
1:08:15
It's about these people that, um, are stuck in this
1:08:20
town that doesn't make any sense. Like the town doesn't
1:08:23
make any sense and you can't get out of the town.
1:08:27
And at nighttime people are, come out of the woods
1:08:31
but they're not people and they're like these monsters and
1:08:34
if you let them into your house you can't let
1:08:37
them into your house but if you let them into
1:08:38
your house they'll butcher you and tear you apart and
1:08:41
people they try to trick you into letting you letting
1:08:44
them into your house like I'm not doing it justice
1:08:48
it sounds stupid but.
1:08:51
Speaker 3: Here's the pitch.
1:08:52
Speaker 2: But it's it's really scary man it's really scary and
1:08:56
really creepy to the point like I'm watching I get
1:08:58
anxiety and I don't like watching shit like that before
1:09:01
I go to bed because then I get like weird
1:09:03
dreams and I start getting because it's like children are
1:09:05
in trouble in it and I'm a father and when
1:09:08
I see children in trouble I get I fucking freak
1:09:10
out you know there's part of you like the sheep
1:09:12
dog in you just like right so it's it's a
1:09:15
good show though my.
1:09:16
Speaker 3: Wife gets on to me I like it's like Forensic files.
1:09:20
Speaker 1: Oh.
1:09:20
Speaker 2: Puts me out. I love it. You like that before
1:09:24
you go to bed?
1:09:25
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
1:09:25
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
1:09:26
Speaker 3: That's my comfort.
1:09:28
Speaker 2: How people murdered people. Yeah. I remember that show on HBO,
1:09:32
The Autopsy Show. That was like one of the first ones.
1:09:35
Speaker 3: Okay.
1:09:35
Speaker 2: Do you know that show?
1:09:36
Speaker 3: The Autopsy One.
1:09:37
Speaker 2: It was this guy, Dr. Michael Badden, and what he
1:09:41
was was a forensic scientist that would catch people that
1:09:44
had murdered people and got away with it. They would
1:09:46
exhume bodies and find things. And it was all these
1:09:50
different cases of where someone had gotten away with murder,
1:09:55
but then they discovered how they did it. It was very,
1:09:57
very interesting.
1:09:59
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:09:59
Speaker 2: Because people are fucking weird, man. Like, you know, a
1:10:02
lot of like wives poisoning their husbands and like multiple
1:10:06
husbands died of similar ways and nurses that poisoned the
1:10:12
people under their care.
1:10:14
Speaker 3: There's some fucked up people out there.
1:10:16
Speaker 2: There's some fucked up people out there, man. And the
1:10:19
crazy thing is they get away with it. That's the
1:10:23
crazy thing is for every one that Michael Baden catches,
1:10:26
how many of them get away with it? Yep. Like
1:10:29
what percentages of murders in America go unsolved? Let's put
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of murders go unsolved in America?
1:10:44
Speaker 3: Oh, That's a good question.
1:10:46
Speaker 2: Take a guess.
1:10:50
Speaker 3: 50, 60 percent.
1:10:50
Speaker 2: Whoa.
1:10:51
Speaker 3: But I don't know how you would quantify it. I
1:10:53
guess you'd find out.
1:10:55
Speaker 2: Well, someone gets murdered and they don't catch anybody.
1:10:58
Speaker 3: Oh, right, right.
1:10:59
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:10:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:11:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's half. Wow. So you're saying there's a chance.
1:11:06
Speaker 3: So you're saying there's a chance.
1:11:09
Speaker 2: Approximately 40 to 50 percent of murders in the United
1:11:11
States go unsolved. It means that roughly half of all
1:11:14
homicide cases do not result in arrest or resolution. So
1:11:20
I was talking to somebody and someone who lives in
1:11:24
their community got arrested because the wife went missing and
1:11:30
they got the wife's DNA from this guy's chainsaw. They
1:11:36
have no body. They have no evidence other than there's
1:11:40
some DNA on his chainsaw. And, you know, he's playing stupid,
1:11:45
so he's in jail now. But everybody that knows him and, like,
1:11:49
these friends of mine, they know the family. They knew him.
1:11:53
They knew her. Oh, shit. And he's just in jail,
1:11:57
and they don't know if they have enough evidence to
1:12:00
convict him. And so he's been in jail for a
1:12:02
while now, and they're trying to gather enough evidence for trial,
1:12:05
but all they have is, like, DNA. I don't even
1:12:08
know what that means. Like, how much DNA? DNA. Like
1:12:10
did he clean the chainsaw and not do a good job?
1:12:13
I don't know what that means.
1:12:15
Speaker 3: Was she like out like trimming hedges?
1:12:19
Speaker 2: Who knows? That's the thing. It's like you could use
1:12:22
a chainsaw and accidentally scratch yourself. Like you don't even
1:12:26
have to cut yourself. It doesn't even have to be on.
1:12:28
Like if you're taking a– I don't know why the
1:12:33
wife would be taking a chainsaw out into the– I
1:12:35
mean some women are capable and they do it.
1:12:37
Speaker 3: My wife, she would.
1:12:39
Speaker 2: Accidentally scraped your arm with this chainsaw and they went
1:12:43
over every blade with a swab, they probably could find
1:12:48
your DNA and go, oh my God, you did it.
1:12:51
I don't know. I don't know what happened, but apparently
1:12:54
these people that I know believe that the husband chopped
1:12:58
this lady up.
1:12:59
Speaker 3: Oh, really?
1:13:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, they think he did it. They're fighting a lot.
1:13:05
Speaker 3: I remember when I was a kid, my sister used
1:13:07
to And Shane's actually got a really funny bit about
1:13:11
how diabolical older sisters are. My sister used to say,
1:13:15
I hope you go to jail for something you didn't do. Whoa.
1:13:18
I hope you get wrongfully convicted for something and you're
1:13:20
in jail forever. Jesus Christ. That's a terrible thing to
1:13:24
say to somebody.
1:13:25
Speaker 2: What did you do to her to make her say
1:13:27
that to you?
1:13:28
Speaker 3: Who fucking knows?
1:13:31
Speaker 2: That's so dark. I hope you go to jail for
1:13:34
something you didn't do. It was so evil. Wow.
1:13:37
Speaker 3: We're very close now.
1:13:39
Speaker 2: Are you? Oh, yeah. Well, she was a kid.
1:13:41
Speaker 3: We were kids.
1:13:41
Speaker 2: How old was she when she said that?
1:13:43
Speaker 3: She's two years older than me, so she must have
1:13:45
been like nine or ten.
1:13:47
Speaker 2: Oh. People say things.
1:13:49
Speaker 3: Kid stuff.
1:13:50
Speaker 2: At nine or ten. They're just being kids. That's a
1:13:53
diabolical mind, though. That's how you want someone to suffer.
1:13:56
You want someone to emotionally suffer for something they didn't
1:13:59
do forever.
1:14:00
Speaker 3: Her and a neighbor boy, there was a vacant house
1:14:04
across from mine, and they locked me in the back fence,
1:14:07
and my sister was like, this is where you live now. Whoa.
1:14:11
They were like, unless you break that window. And I
1:14:13
was like, I don't want to break the window. And like,
1:14:16
sure enough, like they said, well, we're not letting you
1:14:18
out of this gate. And I probably could have waited
1:14:20
it out, but I was like five or six. So
1:14:22
I just said, all right. So I took a brick
1:14:25
to the window and they're like, well, we're going to
1:14:26
go tell on, you know, I was like, wow, really
1:14:30
fucked up.
1:14:31
Speaker 2: What the fuck does she do now?
1:14:33
Speaker 3: Uh, my sister's actually, she's a bad-ass man. She's, uh,
1:14:36
she drives for the department of transportation. Um, she's got
1:14:40
her CDL. She's awesome.
1:14:43
Speaker 2: Sounds like she has some devious thoughts in her mind.
1:14:46
Speaker 3: She's, yeah.
1:14:47
Speaker 2: Sounds like she should write books.
1:14:49
Speaker 3: I know. She's so smart.
1:14:50
Speaker 2: That sounds very creative.
1:14:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:14:52
Speaker 2: You know, like she's manipulating a five-year-old into breaking a
1:14:55
window so she could tell on him.
1:14:57
Speaker 3: But as a seven-year-old.
1:14:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:14:59
Speaker 3: No, she's, she's awesome. But, uh, actually I had a
1:15:04
good friend I told that story to and she loved
1:15:05
it so much she got me a, A welcome mat
1:15:08
from my house that said, this is where you live now.
1:15:15
Speaker 2: That's fucked up, man. Where did she learn that kind
1:15:17
of behavior?
1:15:19
Speaker 3: Probably my mom.
1:15:20
Speaker 2: Oh, was your mom like that?
1:15:21
Speaker 3: My mom was pretty wild, yeah.
1:15:24
Speaker 2: Yeah?
1:15:24
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
1:15:26
Speaker 2: Oy.
1:15:27
Speaker 3: Yep. I had an interesting upbringing.
1:15:30
Speaker 2: Most artists do. Especially most interesting artists. I don't know
1:15:37
a lot of interesting artists that say, like, my childhood
1:15:40
was perfect. It was amazing. There was so much love
1:15:43
and everybody was really supportive and understanding. Yeah. We talked
1:15:46
a lot about stuff. Yeah.
1:15:47
Speaker 3: We spoke about our feelings mostly around the dinner table.
1:15:50
Speaker 2: There's always some sort of element of psychological torture involved.
1:15:56
Speaker 3: Or some kind of abandonment or some kind of– Yeah.
1:15:59
Speaker 2: Sometimes, yeah.
1:16:00
Speaker 3: Titchy uncle, whatever it is.
1:16:02
Speaker 2: Something ignoring you. Yeah. Just not making you a priority,
1:16:07
making you not feel special or making you feel like
1:16:09
you're a burden. Something that causes you to like want
1:16:14
exorbitant amounts of attention from strangers. Sure. Yeah.
1:16:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:16:18
Speaker 2: But look, that's where the great stuff comes from, which
1:16:22
is really wild. Like there's this concept that you cannot
1:16:26
have good without evil. And I think there's something to that.
1:16:31
I think it's just part of the human condition. For
1:16:35
whatever reason, you don't appreciate good unless you experience bad,
1:16:41
which is why rich kids are fucked. You grow up
1:16:44
rich with everything you've ever wanted. There's no struggle. It's
1:16:47
so difficult for those people to ever be exceptional because
1:16:50
they don't have the motivation. They don't have that. They
1:16:54
haven't experienced the bad. Not in that way. Like I
1:16:57
remember I went on a hunting trip. With my friend
1:17:02
Steve Rinella and Brian Cowan, we went to Alaska and
1:17:04
it rained every day. It rained for like six days
1:17:07
and we were soaking wet. And we came back to L.A.
1:17:12
and it was sunny and I was driving my car
1:17:15
and I had to call my friend Steve. And I said, dude,
1:17:17
I have never been happier. The sun hits my face.
1:17:21
I'm so appreciative. I'm so and I've never felt like this.
1:17:25
Like it's always like this in L.A. But it never
1:17:28
meant anything to me. It was just another day in L.A.,
1:17:31
got to go to work. But this one day I
1:17:33
was like just filled with gratitude and I was so happy.
1:17:39
The sun on my face felt so good and warm.
1:17:42
And I realized like, oh, you have to suffer in
1:17:46
order to really appreciate the good. Like if it's just
1:17:49
all good, you're not going to appreciate it. You don't.
1:17:53
You need evil people so that you really appreciate the
1:17:57
people that are beautiful and that you love.
1:17:59
Speaker 1: Right.
1:18:00
Speaker 2: You need people that suck so you appreciate people that
1:18:02
are kind. Yeah. You need people that are mean so
1:18:06
you appreciate the ones that are nice.
1:18:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. Just people that are on the level. Just people
1:18:11
that are like no agenda. Yeah. Just kind people. And
1:18:16
it is that duality that kind of gives you perspective.
1:18:19
That's what I meditate on every day is perspective.
1:18:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:18:22
Speaker 2: That's why I wonder about the music business and then
1:18:26
even the comedy business. I think kind of any business.
1:18:28
I'm sure it's the same with the music– rather a
1:18:31
movie-making business as well. It's like you almost need these
1:18:35
rotten vampire cunts that are– you know what I mean?
1:18:38
It's like– Not a punk band. But so that like
1:18:44
when you see fellow musicians that you love, like you
1:18:47
give them a hug, like you embrace each other like, oh.
1:18:50
we're cool. Like, you know what I mean? It's like
1:18:51
we're together now. It's all right. We're okay.
1:18:53
Speaker 3: It's trauma bonding.
1:18:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. We're away from the cunts.
1:18:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:18:57
Speaker 2: We're away from the vampire cunts.
1:18:58
Speaker 3: It's like my boy Charlie Crockett, you know, Charlie always
1:19:03
says like you can do what they do, but they
1:19:05
can't do what you do.
1:19:07
Speaker 2: Charlie's great.
1:19:08
Speaker 3: He's a fucking man.
1:19:09
Speaker 2: He's an interesting dude too. Very interesting dude. Very, you know,
1:19:13
interesting life. Like the life that that guy had and
1:19:16
playing street music for so long and finally getting discovered. Very. Like, again,
1:19:23
but that's how you get a person like that. When
1:19:25
you talked about his childhood, how fucked up it was
1:19:27
and crazy. He was basically just on his own from
1:19:30
the time he was a teenager. Just running around, just
1:19:35
singing songs. Yep. You know, like, That's how you get
1:19:40
a person like that.
1:19:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't create a Charlie Crockett in a lab.
1:19:44
Speaker 2: No, or a Jelly Roll. You don't create those in
1:19:47
a lab. They got to go to jail first. You
1:19:49
know what I mean? But it's like, I mean, Jelly's
1:19:54
like one of the most beautiful people I've ever met
1:19:56
in my life. He's one of the nicest, sweetest, kindest, warm,
1:20:01
affectionate people. He hugs everybody, tells everybody he loves them,
1:20:04
and he means it. Because he's been through hell. You know,
1:20:09
and that's how you make a person like that.
1:20:12
Speaker 3: Billy's in like a constant state of like, like when
1:20:16
you run into somebody after they've had an ayahuasca experience.
1:20:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:20:21
Speaker 3: He has this constant like gratitude.
1:20:24
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:20:25
Speaker 3: That I feel like kind of fades even with people
1:20:27
who have like ayahuasca journeys or experiences.
1:20:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:20:31
Speaker 3: You know, he's just, I don't know. There's something really
1:20:35
pure to that.
1:20:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's maintained it, especially now that he's on this
1:20:40
like health journey. I think that sometimes the momentum of
1:20:43
life takes over and you kind of forget those beautiful moments.
1:20:49
You're grounded in these moments where you realize like, God,
1:20:52
I'm so lucky to have a beautiful family that I
1:20:55
love and friends that I love and be able to
1:20:57
do what I do for a living. God, I'm so lucky.
1:21:00
And that feeling, like sometimes it goes away because you're
1:21:02
dealing with This and that and contracts and fucking– then
1:21:06
the New York Times wrote a hit piece on you. Oh, shit.
1:21:09
You forget. You lose your perspective. But I almost feel
1:21:14
like you need all those other shitty elements to just
1:21:19
reinforce the good elements, that there's this constant sort of
1:21:23
mechanism that's going on where there's this constant process of
1:21:28
Of pros and cons, of negatives and positives, and they're
1:21:31
duking it out to see who rises. And the more
1:21:35
the negative comes at you, the more it has this
1:21:38
creative desire inside of you to excel with your music
1:21:43
or your art or whatever it is that you do,
1:21:45
to just push past it. I mean, think about some
1:21:48
of the great songs that people have written just about
1:21:52
the struggles that they've gone through, just even in the
1:21:55
music business, you know?
1:21:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:21:57
Speaker 2: Like Leonard Skinner, Working for MCA. There's a lot of
1:22:00
those songs like that. It's like people just want to
1:22:03
tell you what the fuck they've been through.
1:22:06
Speaker 3: Yeah. Le Chic, Freak Out.
1:22:11
Speaker 2: What's that about?
1:22:12
Speaker 3: They weren't allowed to get into Studio 54. They wouldn't
1:22:16
let them in. And the song was originally written as
1:22:19
Fuck You. Fuck You.
1:22:21
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
1:22:21
Speaker 3: Instead it's Freak Out?
1:22:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:22:29
Speaker 3: And that ended up being a major hit.
1:22:31
Speaker 2: That was because they couldn't get into a club?
1:22:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:22:33
Speaker 2: That's pretty crazy.
1:22:34
Speaker 3: Pretty crazy.
1:22:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:22:38
Speaker 3: But it is just about threading that needle of like
1:22:42
wanting more for yourself, but for the right reasons. And
1:22:46
that's something that I think about every day. It's just
1:22:48
like having a virtuous reason to want more, you know?
1:22:53
Not just for the sake of having it or for
1:22:55
hoarding wealth or anything like that. It's like I want
1:22:58
to work to where I can get to a place where,
1:23:02
you know, my wife and I can have our own
1:23:04
bus and raise kids on the road, you know. But
1:23:06
you can't do that unless you have a certain profit
1:23:09
margin on the road, you know. So I'm always kind
1:23:11
of trying to think of like virtuous causes to want more,
1:23:14
you know. Because in reality, you know, I should be
1:23:17
grateful for everything that I do have. But also speaking
1:23:21
of that, you know, and trying to meditate on the
1:23:24
things that I'm grateful for every day.
1:23:27
Speaker 2: That's a good perspective. I think people get trapped in
1:23:31
working towards a result instead of thinking about the process. Right.
1:23:37
I try to be process-oriented. I try to think about
1:23:40
whatever I'm doing, just try to be better at it
1:23:43
and do a better job at it. And I think
1:23:45
the other stuff sort of takes care of itself if
1:23:49
you have the right people. And that's where the evil
1:23:52
cunt vampires come in because they'll steal all that goodwill
1:23:57
Like if you leave the door open like on that
1:23:59
TV show on From you let them in they'll fucking
1:24:04
tear you apart.
1:24:04
Speaker 3: They'll tear you up.
1:24:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:24:07
Speaker 3: Just and it's hard because you don't want to become jaded.
1:24:11
Speaker 2: Right.
1:24:11
Speaker 3: You don't want to become like I feel like I
1:24:14
meet a lot of people out there who like they're
1:24:18
open and they're kind but they're not interested in making
1:24:20
any new friends. Right. It's like they have their circle
1:24:23
and on one hand I kind of understand that. I
1:24:25
get that.
1:24:26
Speaker 2: You know.
1:24:27
Speaker 3: But It's hard. You know, you've got to maintain a
1:24:31
certain level of perspective not to become, like, angry.
1:24:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. And it's hard to know who
1:24:40
you can let into your circle, too. Like, you've got
1:24:43
to give people a stress test. You know what I mean?
1:24:46
Speaker 3: Yep.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: It's almost like you have to give them a baggie
1:24:49
and then have a fake cop grab them and say,
1:24:54
where'd you get it? Marcus King gave it to me! Ha!
1:24:57
oh gotcha bitch.
1:25:00
Speaker 3: I ran into this guy recently and um uh basically
1:25:06
what happened like I was on jam cruise years ago
1:25:09
and I was super fucked up and I was supposed
1:25:11
to sit in with this band called Naughty Professor from
1:25:14
New Orleans and they're like that's a great name they're
1:25:16
so good and they're just outrageously talented musicians and I
1:25:21
had gone out on an adventure that morning on a
1:25:24
catamaran I didn't know what the fuck a catamaran was
1:25:27
I didn't know if it was land, air, or sea vessel, right?
1:25:30
So we go out there. Turns out it's a boat.
1:25:32
And we go, like, snorkeling in the Cayman Islands. And
1:25:37
we're just, like, looking at all the fish. And, like,
1:25:39
my girlfriend at the time and a bass player friend
1:25:42
of mine from a band called Lettuce, his name's Jesus.
1:25:45
So I'm out there with my girlfriend at the time.
1:25:47
Speaker 2: His name is Jesus?
1:25:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:25:48
Speaker 2: Not Jesus?
1:25:49
Speaker 3: Well, his name's Eric, but he goes by Jesus.
1:25:51
Speaker 2: Oh, boy, Eric. Oh, boy. How did Eric get in
1:25:56
your circle?
1:25:57
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a messiah complex or anything. I
1:26:00
think it's just a nickname that stuck. But they were
1:26:03
tripping on acid and I was drunk on rum and
1:26:05
beer and just out there waiting. And like when we
1:26:09
came up for air, the boat or we had drifted
1:26:14
quite a ways from the boat and like we couldn't
1:26:16
get their attention. And like the waves started crashing and
1:26:19
like a storm started rolling in.
1:26:21
Speaker 2: Oh, fuck. Three waves and like.
1:26:24
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not the strongest swimmer, you know, but
1:26:27
we were basically, you know, we were treading water out
1:26:29
there for like 40 minutes.
1:26:31
Speaker 2: Holy shit, dude. You know, we.
1:26:33
Speaker 3: Were going to drown. And finally, the dude jumped off
1:26:36
the boat and came out there, and then he was
1:26:38
like yelling at me because I didn't have flippers on.
1:26:41
So I was just out there with just my shorts
1:26:43
on and some goggles. And he signaled for the boat
1:26:48
to come around, and they pulled us up out of
1:26:50
the water. So after that, we were celebrating our life,
1:26:54
you know. So I got completely hammered, and then I
1:26:58
was on the boat, and I was like, well, I
1:27:00
need a pick-me-up, you know, because I got to sit
1:27:02
in with these guys, and they're like college-educated, like, jazz musicians.
1:27:08
So this guy comes over. He's like, hey, man, you
1:27:11
need a getuski? I was like, yeah, hit me up.
1:27:14
And he pulled out a spoon, and he digs it
1:27:16
down in the bag, and I go to take it,
1:27:18
and it was like a small little mountain. I was like,
1:27:21
give me a little more. And he gave me some more,
1:27:22
and I'm big snort, my whole face went numb, and
1:27:26
I was like, and it stung, and I was like, whoa,
1:27:29
what the fuck was that, and he was like, oh, dude,
1:27:32
just a little blow, and I was like, no, it wasn't,
1:27:35
and like, he said, yeah, it was, and I grabbed
1:27:37
him by the shirt, and I said, what the fuck
1:27:38
did you give me, motherfucker, and he looked at his buddy, like, well,
1:27:43
I had him, you know, like this, and he said, hey,
1:27:47
what bag did you give me, bro, and he was like,
1:27:49
the blue one, and he's like, oh, no, He looked
1:27:52
at me and I was like, what was it? He's like,
1:27:54
it's ketamine.
1:27:55
Speaker 2: So I went totally the wrong direction.
1:28:00
Speaker 3: But I ran into that guy at the Grand Ole Opry.
1:28:03
He came into my dressing room and was like, hey,
1:28:05
remember me? Wrong bag. I was like, yeah, I remember you.
1:28:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like you.
1:28:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of put me in a weird spot.
1:28:16
Speaker 2: What was that like, taking ketamine after you almost died?
1:28:19
Speaker 3: Man, it was heavy. You know, I basically like from
1:28:27
what I recall, like I became part of the boat.
1:28:32
That's how I remember it. Like my feet were like
1:28:36
in the deck, you know, and like. I was moving
1:28:40
the whole boat with every step that I took. That's
1:28:43
what I remember.
1:28:44
Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah.
1:28:47
Speaker 3: But there was this one guy that kept trying to
1:28:49
get me to come play a festival in, like, New Mexico.
1:28:52
And I kind of put him off the whole week.
1:28:55
And then he ran into me, and, like, I just
1:28:57
remember his eyes getting big like saucers. I don't know
1:29:00
what I said to him, but it was some crazy shit.
1:29:05
Or it wasn't English at all probably.
1:29:08
Speaker 2: Ketamine talk. Ketamine is a weird one, man. Because there's
1:29:12
a lot of people that are doing that right now
1:29:13
for therapy. Yeah. Like Neil Brennan, a comedian, the co-creator
1:29:19
of The Chappelle Show. He was the first person to
1:29:21
tell me about it because Neil has had depression problems
1:29:24
most of his life. And we were in L.A. And
1:29:29
he said, we're in the hallway of the comedy store.
1:29:31
He goes, I've been doing ketamine therapy for depression. And
1:29:35
I go, how's that working out? Is it good? He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:29:39
But I didn't know what to expect. He goes, I thought, oh,
1:29:43
you know, it's in a doctor's office. It's probably going
1:29:45
to be just, I'm probably just going to close my
1:29:48
eyes and I'll feel.
1:29:49
Speaker 3: He goes, no.
1:29:51
Speaker 2: He goes, it's fucking a full-blown trip. He goes, tripping
1:29:55
balls in a doctor's office is fucking strange.
1:29:59
Speaker 3: I bet.
1:29:59
Speaker 2: He said it worked, though, for a little while. Like,
1:30:02
he's done a bunch of different things. He did a
1:30:04
ton of ayahuasca. He's done a bunch of ketamine. He did, like,
1:30:08
magnets on his brain, I think. He's done, like, a
1:30:10
bunch of different things to try to, like, rewire the
1:30:13
way his brain works.
1:30:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:30:14
Speaker 2: Like, whatever it is.
1:30:16
Speaker 3: That's a journey I'm on, you know? I'm on antidepressants and...
1:30:21
I want to get off them.
1:30:22
Speaker 2: Which one's you on?
1:30:23
Speaker 3: I'm on Cymbalta.
1:30:25
Speaker 2: What does that one do? Well, is it an SSRI?
1:30:29
Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically just kind of a, it's for a
1:30:33
chemical imbalance, you know, but like the best work that
1:30:38
I did to combat my depression and anxiety and stuff
1:30:41
was microdosing, you know, mushrooms.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:30:45
Speaker 3: Like that's, that's the most progress that I'd seen in
1:30:49
my life. And, I'm going to figure out some kind
1:30:54
of strategy because, you know, like being on antidepressants and
1:30:58
I'm telling you like, well, don't just stop taking them
1:31:01
all at once or, you know, you could have seizures
1:31:03
and shit. I'm like, I don't like that. I don't
1:31:06
want to be like, you know, enslaved by a drug,
1:31:11
by a pharmaceutical drug, you know?
1:31:13
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:31:15
Speaker 3: And it's like also like now you just take this
1:31:17
the rest of your life. It's like, what's the end
1:31:20
result here?
1:31:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, Theo Vaughn is going through the exact same thing.
1:31:25
Last time he was on the podcast, he was explaining
1:31:27
it to me. It freaks me out because I know
1:31:29
Theo has had conversations before, like even publicly. He had
1:31:34
a Netflix taping, and it didn't go well. It was
1:31:38
like they actually shelved it. They never used it. There
1:31:42
was all these stories from people that were there saying
1:31:44
he bombed. I think he just had kind of a breakdown.
1:31:47
And then he was talking to the crowd, and there's
1:31:49
a video of it where he said, you know, the
1:31:51
people were shaking. Hey, we still love you. Thank you. Look,
1:31:53
I'm just, I'm trying not to take my own life.
1:31:56
That's what I'm trying to do right now. And like,
1:31:58
you hear stuff like that and you just go like,
1:32:00
Oh Jesus Christ, I've known too many people that I
1:32:03
didn't think were going to kill themselves and then did.
1:32:06
And then he goes down these spirals where he starts
1:32:09
talking about world events and freaking out. I'm like, Oh
1:32:12
Jesus Christ, like I gotta help this dude. And so
1:32:15
I send him things about people getting off of them and,
1:32:19
Apparently there are some doctors that specialize in getting people
1:32:23
off of them. But here's the thing about that chemical
1:32:26
imbalance thing. That's not real. They used to think that
1:32:31
that was what these things do, that they treated a
1:32:33
chemical imbalance. But then recently studies have shown that that
1:32:38
is not what they do. They don't exactly know what
1:32:41
they do. And they kind of numb you in some
1:32:45
sort of a way that helps some people. And I've
1:32:48
had some friends, and I don't want to make any
1:32:50
blanket statements because I've had some friends that were suicidal.
1:32:55
Ari is one of them. And he got on SSRIs,
1:32:58
and it helped him. He tried a bunch of different ones,
1:33:02
found one that worked, got on track, and then his
1:33:05
career started taking off. And then as his career started
1:33:08
taking off, he started feeling much better. He was on
1:33:11
a good, positive path in his life. And then he
1:33:14
slowly weaned himself off of those and now he's off
1:33:17
of them. So I think that might have saved his life.
1:33:22
I also know other people that have been on those
1:33:25
things and taken their own lives. So I don't know
1:33:27
because that's part of one of the side effects is
1:33:30
suicidal ideation. It's one of the side effects. But see
1:33:35
if you can find anything about the chemical imbalance not
1:33:39
being true. the chemical imbalance reason for taking SSRIs. It's the,
1:33:47
they've measured like levels of dopamine, serotonin and people that take,
1:33:51
it's not, that's not what it's doing. And they don't
1:33:54
even exactly know why it works. And it's a huge business.
1:33:59
That's part of the problem. And it's also part of
1:34:01
the problem. These doctors are incentivized to prescribe people these things.
1:34:05
I had a friend that went to a psychiatrist and, um,
1:34:09
Was talking about their life and things not doing well.
1:34:12
And immediately the doctor tried to prescribe him SSRIs. Right away.
1:34:18
Like right away. Here's something that you're never going to
1:34:20
get off. I'm going to give it to you right away.
1:34:22
First meeting. And he was like, well, I don't mean,
1:34:26
shouldn't I like try exercise? Shouldn't I try a diet?
1:34:29
Shouldn't I try just drinking water? And, you know, like
1:34:33
I read something about like magnesium and red light therapy
1:34:36
being far more effective than even SSRIs. There is no
1:34:39
good evidence for the simple chemical imbalance like low serotonin
1:34:43
that directly causes depression or automatically means someone should take
1:34:47
an SSRI. But SSRIs do change brain chemistry in ways
1:34:51
that can help some people. But so for decades, depression
1:34:56
was popularly explained as a serotonin imbalance in the brain.
1:35:01
Large reviews of the research have not found convincing evidence
1:35:04
that people with depression have consistently low serotonin or a
1:35:08
specific measurable imbalance that explains their symptoms. Experts now describe
1:35:14
the chemical imbalance story as an oversimplified or outdated way
1:35:18
of explaining a much more complex condition. And here's the
1:35:21
other thing about depression. It has to be connected to
1:35:29
the state of your life. Like if you have a
1:35:32
terrible job, you're in a bad relationship, you have abusive parents,
1:35:37
and you live in a shitty neighborhood, why would you
1:35:41
be happy? Oh, I'm depressed. Oh, you need a pill.
1:35:44
Do you? Is that what you need? Well, it's quite
1:35:47
possible that you're eating processed foods and you have all
1:35:51
these other things that we talked about, shitty life, shitty house,
1:35:53
shitty job, shitty neighborhood, shitty parents. Maybe you just need
1:35:57
to make your life positive, like figure out a way
1:36:01
to get your life in a positive direction. They've shown
1:36:04
that exercise is– way more effective than antidepressants at actually
1:36:10
helping people with depression. Just exercise, just fucking go on
1:36:14
a nice long walk every day, do some cardio, you know,
1:36:17
take a fucking yoga class. That's way better for people
1:36:20
than these goddamn pills. But these doctors are financially incentivized
1:36:25
to prescribe these things and they prescribe them and hand
1:36:28
them out like candy. And again, I think for some
1:36:31
people it helps them.
1:36:33
Speaker 3: And that's the issue, right? I mean, If it wasn't
1:36:36
a financial incentive, I think it would be like, take
1:36:39
these for six months, you'll be better.
1:36:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:36:41
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be like, this is you now.
1:36:44
Speaker 2: Even six months. It's like, okay, how long does it
1:36:46
take to get off them? Right. Because I know a
1:36:49
guy who was on them and it took him a
1:36:52
year and a half after he got off of them
1:36:54
before he felt normal again. For a year and a half,
1:36:58
he was fucked up because he was on them for,
1:37:01
I think he said he was on them for 10 years.
1:37:04
And then for a year and a half, he got
1:37:06
off of them. And it just took that long before
1:37:09
he finally like balanced the ship out. Like whatever waves
1:37:13
he had to go through for a year and a half.
1:37:16
But he was like, whatever I'm doing, I'm not going
1:37:18
back on those goddamn pills. So he wrote it out
1:37:22
and came out on the other end.
1:37:24
Speaker 3: It's fucked up too because it's hard to compare your
1:37:26
experience to other people because everybody's brain chemistry is different.
1:37:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:37:31
Speaker 3: So you. You could have two people on the same
1:37:33
medication like you were, you know, saying earlier. Like, it's
1:37:38
hard to even quantify. Like, I even talked to my
1:37:40
own sister or, like, other family members about, you know,
1:37:43
their depression and their, you know, mental health journeys. And
1:37:48
it's just, it's interesting to think, like, you could say, like,
1:37:55
it's hard to disprove it. You know what I mean?
1:37:57
Because somebody could be doing well on it. But it's
1:38:00
also like it takes two weeks for it to really
1:38:02
get into your system. And I've, I had to try
1:38:05
like three or four different ones before one really, I felt,
1:38:09
felt like me, you know, like even at my grandmother's funeral,
1:38:13
like I just felt nothing. I just felt numb. And like,
1:38:17
I didn't notice it until I got into a situation
1:38:19
where I was like, this woman raised me and I
1:38:22
can't feel anything. And it wasn't until like a heavy
1:38:26
moment like that, that I was able to kind of
1:38:29
have that perspective of like, I should be feeling something
1:38:32
right now. So I put those down, and then it
1:38:35
was like two weeks later, I was having dinner with somebody,
1:38:40
and this song came on that just brought all of
1:38:44
it up. There was this melody, this Wayne Shorter melody
1:38:47
that just... uncorked everything. And I was just sobbing at
1:38:52
the dinner table, you know?
1:38:54
Speaker 2: Wow. Um, what did you feel like before you took
1:38:59
them and what was wrong with the ones that you
1:39:02
didn't stick with?
1:39:06
Speaker 3: Um, well, I don't know if it was a, a
1:39:09
matter of like, maybe the dosage was too high and
1:39:12
it was just kind of creating a block. Cause like,
1:39:16
you gotta feel some emotions, right?
1:39:18
Speaker 2: So how did you feel before you were taking them?
1:39:20
What was bothering you that you realized you needed to
1:39:23
take something?
1:39:24
Speaker 3: Well, I think a lot of it had to do
1:39:26
with just like substance abuse, but I was feeling really
1:39:29
anxious and really suicidal and just really, really depressed, you know,
1:39:37
and just this overwhelming sense of dread every day and
1:39:42
just also just a lot of helplessness, like just trying
1:39:46
to going to different doctors and just, like, trying to
1:39:49
figure out, like, what the fuck is it that's gonna finally,
1:39:52
you know, take this away, but also realizing, like, I
1:39:57
rely on that a little bit, you know, for what
1:40:01
I do for a living, you know. So there's kind
1:40:04
of that, you know.
1:40:06
Speaker 2: Rely on the feelings of depression.
1:40:08
Speaker 3: Like the pain, yeah. All that, you know, for writing
1:40:11
and for creating.
1:40:13
Speaker 2: God, that's a fucking conundrum, ain't it?
1:40:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, being fearful that it's going to take your drive
1:40:17
away because you don't have anything to create for no substance. Right.
1:40:22
So it's a, it is a strange battle. It's one
1:40:27
that I still kind of deal with, but I'm just
1:40:29
in a much better spot on the journey.
1:40:32
Speaker 2: So which ones did you try and what was wrong
1:40:36
with the ones that you tried that they just numbed
1:40:38
you up?
1:40:40
Speaker 3: This was like six years ago. So like 2020, um,
1:40:46
I can't remember the name of the specific medication. I'm
1:40:50
sure I have an old bottle of it somewhere in
1:40:52
my house. But, yeah, I don't know.
1:40:57
Speaker 2: But what did it do? It just made you too numb?
1:41:00
Speaker 3: It just made me feel numb.
1:41:01
Speaker 2: And then when you found one that worked, what did
1:41:03
that do differently?
1:41:04
Speaker 3: So the one that I'm on now, I mean, like
1:41:11
if I go a day without it, like the withdrawal
1:41:15
symptoms are like, fairly severe just like headaches and just
1:41:18
like complete like body tingling sensations and just like it's
1:41:23
really scary stuff it's just you know so I'm gonna
1:41:27
have to wean off of it slowly over time like
1:41:29
I already did.
1:41:32
Speaker 2: I wonder if Ibogaine would help with.
1:41:34
Speaker 3: That well I mean you know it's like I was
1:41:37
saying like microdosing mushrooms was like the first thing that
1:41:41
I actually felt some kind of lasting result like now
1:41:45
like when I get An anxiety attack or something. I
1:41:47
can recognize it as something just coming from an outside force,
1:41:52
you know, an energy that's not aligning with me. And
1:41:57
I can recognize it. I can work through it where
1:41:59
like before I would just get a little overwhelmed, you know,
1:42:03
but I think also just like not drinking and like
1:42:06
having to socialize with people and having to have a
1:42:11
little exposure therapy to like social interactions and life in general.
1:42:15
without just masking myself with drugs and alcohol has helped
1:42:19
a lot too in that growth.
1:42:22
Speaker 2: So when you first started taking it, you, there's all
1:42:27
the stuff that you're doing in terms of like abusing
1:42:30
alcohol and substances and that, which definitely causes you to
1:42:34
feel like shit and definitely causes a lot of people
1:42:38
to have like all sorts of angst and anxiety and
1:42:42
just fucks with you. This stuff alleviated that?
1:42:49
Speaker 3: What, I'm on now?
1:42:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:42:52
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it has.
1:42:55
Speaker 2: Kind of?
1:42:55
Speaker 3: And I'm afraid of like, you know, if I get
1:42:57
off of it, are those emotions going to come flooding
1:43:00
back in, you know?
1:43:01
Speaker 2: So did it stop those emotions? This was all, by
1:43:05
the way, while you were drinking, right? You're not drinking.
1:43:07
And how long has it been since you've drank?
1:43:10
Speaker 3: Like a year and a half. Okay. But I mean,
1:43:12
those emotions do come back.
1:43:15
Speaker 2: Every now and again, even while you're on this stuff.
1:43:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:43:18
Speaker 2: But it significantly curb them. But it's like, you know,
1:43:25
at what price?
1:43:26
Speaker 3: I mean, I was talking to my boy Ernest about it.
1:43:28
Cause you know, uh, he's kind of a kindred spirit
1:43:33
and like, you know, just talking about like, I'll be
1:43:35
working out and like getting after it, feeling good, listening
1:43:39
to the stones or whatever. And like, I noticed like, uh,
1:43:43
In my gym at my house, like, I guess they
1:43:46
used to have a punching bag hanging up there. And
1:43:48
just like, you see something like that and you just
1:43:51
take a mental note of like, that probably hold my weight,
1:43:55
you know. It's just like these.
1:43:57
Speaker 2: Oh, you mean to hang yourself?
1:43:58
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like these thoughts just kind of come, you know.
1:44:02
And it's, I don't know where they come from. They just,
1:44:06
they just pop in. And as quick as they come,
1:44:09
they go.
1:44:10
Speaker 2: And this is before you taking the medication? No, I mean,
1:44:13
this is like a month ago, you know?
1:44:15
Speaker 3: Okay.
1:44:16
Speaker 2: Did the, did you have those thoughts before the medication?
1:44:18
Oh yeah. Okay. So they're still there. Yeah. So whatever
1:44:22
it's doing, it's doing a little bit.
1:44:25
Speaker 3: I mean, it's gotta be helping to a degree.
1:44:28
Speaker 2: Do you think it is?
1:44:29
Speaker 3: I think so. But I think it's, it's really just
1:44:31
about like your will and like your, your mental, just
1:44:35
your ability, just like we were talking about, like with
1:44:38
diets and stuff, you know, like, Does Ozempic help curb,
1:44:43
you know, appetites? But you could also just exercise and
1:44:46
just have willpower. And I think mental health can be
1:44:50
of a similar thing.
1:44:51
Speaker 2: One of the things that people are finding about Ozempic
1:44:54
is it actually curbs your desire to be in love, too.
1:44:58
Speaker 1: Ugh.
1:44:59
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's a nasty thought.
1:45:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't enjoy anything.
1:45:04
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. What I'm hearing about these SSRIs is, like, like,
1:45:10
genitalia like paralyzed. I saw that. Yeah.
1:45:14
Speaker 2: I saw that on Twitter. Some lady was talking about her.
1:45:17
She got off of it and her clitoris is numb.
1:45:19
She can't have orgasms anymore.
1:45:21
Speaker 3: That's fucked up. Yeah. If that ever happens, she's like,
1:45:27
you know.
1:45:28
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is I don't know if it comes back.
1:45:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:45:30
Speaker 2: So you can't wait for it to happen and like
1:45:32
which medications cause it to happen.
1:45:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:45:37
Speaker 2: If you do get off of it, Have you talked
1:45:39
to your doctor? Like what is the protocol?
1:45:44
Speaker 3: Well, weaning off of it. My doctor always just says like,
1:45:49
I don't know. He just, every time I talk to
1:45:50
my doctor, it's like every few months we check in
1:45:53
and he's like, well, how are you feeling? You know,
1:45:56
how are you doing? I'm like, well, I'm okay. You know,
1:46:00
just kind of feels like the same. I kind of
1:46:04
want to get off of him. And he's like, Well,
1:46:07
you know, if you want to do that, like, you're
1:46:08
going to have to go slowly over time. But, you know,
1:46:13
are things good? And I'm like, yeah, things are fine.
1:46:16
He said, well, you don't really want to change things
1:46:19
if they're good, right? You know, that kind of thing.
1:46:25
Speaker 2: And you worry, what's that?
1:46:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I worry about what's going to happen if.
1:46:28
Speaker 2: I, you know. What's that going to be like, getting
1:46:31
off of them? Because the thing about it is like
1:46:34
I was talking about this guy that was on him
1:46:35
for 10 years. Like that year and a half was
1:46:38
fucking rough where he was experiencing all sorts of problems
1:46:42
because his body was just kind of in shock that
1:46:45
he'd been on SSRIs for a decade. And then all
1:46:49
of a sudden he's off of them. Like the way
1:46:52
Theo described it is like the floor was missing. Like
1:46:56
the floor fell out from under him.
1:46:59
Speaker 3: Getting off him.
1:47:00
Speaker 2: He got off him for a while and then got
1:47:01
back on him. He got off him about a year
1:47:03
ago for a little while and then got back on him.
1:47:05
But he wants to get off him. He just doesn't
1:47:08
know what to do.
1:47:09
Speaker 3: And.
1:47:11
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, it's like.
1:47:12
Speaker 3: It's like a... It's literally a plot device, you know?
1:47:16
Like the show The Ozarks, you know? Like the crazy brother.
1:47:20
He's pouring his medication down the drain. And he goes
1:47:23
fucking nuts, you know? It's like... Somebody being off their medication...
1:47:28
It's kind of a pejorative term, right?
1:47:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:47:31
Speaker 3: But I'm like, I kind of want to get off mine.
1:47:34
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what medication, right? Some people are schizophrenic.
1:47:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's antipsychosis, I guess.
1:47:40
Speaker 2: If you've got psychosis. Do you exercise? Yeah. What do
1:47:45
you do?
1:47:45
Speaker 3: I usually do 20 minutes on the Peloton and then
1:47:49
a different muscle group every day.
1:47:51
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. Anything cardio-wise is great. For depression, supposedly.
1:47:57
And even weights. Weights are supposedly really good for anxiety
1:48:00
for some reason.
1:48:01
Speaker 3: I've noticed.
1:48:02
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:48:03
Speaker 3: There's a real definitive difference when I'm working out versus
1:48:06
when I'm not.
1:48:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man. So, like, do you have a strategy for
1:48:12
when you're thinking about doing this or how you're going
1:48:15
to try to do this?
1:48:17
Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking I'd probably do... it when I
1:48:20
had some time off, but I'm working the rest of
1:48:23
the year. But honestly, man, being on the road is
1:48:27
kind of my constant. So I think it's something that
1:48:31
I could probably accomplish while I'm on the road, but
1:48:34
I'd have to have, like, a breakdown.
1:48:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck that. Yeah. You're in Nashville about to do
1:48:40
a show. You're like, I got to cancel the show.
1:48:42
Speaker 1: Right.
1:48:43
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's hard to determine.
1:48:47
Speaker 2: It scares me, man, because– and again, it scares me
1:48:50
because doctors incentivize to keep you on them and promote
1:48:54
them and get you to do them. Also, and they've
1:48:56
been prescribing them for people. They don't want to ever
1:48:58
think that they're doing something bad.
1:49:01
Speaker 3: There's a justification process in there somewhere.
1:49:04
Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Justification process, financial incentives, there's a lot
1:49:09
going on there. And then there's also this position that
1:49:14
they're in of expertise where they're explaining to you what
1:49:17
you should and shouldn't do and how it works. And
1:49:20
when you're like, this is fucking up my whole life
1:49:22
and I can't get off. I'm like, oh, it's just
1:49:24
why I slow down. Like, isn't everything doing well? Just
1:49:27
keep on the same path, Marcus. Everything's fine, Marcus. Bye. Click.
1:49:32
Got a new patient calling.
1:49:33
Speaker 3: Oh, hi, Jenner.
1:49:34
Speaker 2: Do you? Yeah, it's very weird, man. It's very weird
1:49:38
that our society is so hypermedicated. Yeah.
1:49:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, and injectables are the wave of the future. Even
1:49:48
like my boy Chevy that works for me, he used
1:49:54
to work in pharmaceutical sales. And he's like, everything is
1:49:57
injectables now because that's what's hot because of like.
1:49:59
Speaker 2: The Ozempics and stuff.
1:50:01
Speaker 3: So like every medication is like peddling injectables. Because like
1:50:07
the wave of like peptides and Ozempic and all that
1:50:10
kind of stuff. Now it's like it's trendy, which is
1:50:14
really interesting to me.
1:50:15
Speaker 2: That is weird.
1:50:16
Speaker 3: Because I grew up with my dad having type 2
1:50:18
diabetes and my grandfather too. And, you know, just seeing
1:50:23
them inject like insulin and stuff, I was like, yuck.
1:50:27
Speaker 2: Well, type 2 diabetes, the thing about that one is
1:50:31
you can cure that.
1:50:32
Speaker 3: Yep.
1:50:32
Speaker 2: You just got to stop eating like a pig. Which
1:50:37
is crazy. I know a bunch of people that have
1:50:38
stopped themselves from having type 2 diabetes.
1:50:42
Speaker 3: And that's a goal that I'm on is preventing myself
1:50:45
from ever dealing with that. I don't eat sugar or anything. Oh,
1:50:48
that's awesome. Yeah, I gave up sugar.
1:50:51
Speaker 2: Well, again, the ketogenic diet is supposed to be good
1:50:53
for depression too. Do you take supplements? Are you taking
1:50:57
magnesium and multivitamins and all that jazz?
1:51:00
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:51:01
Speaker 2: That's good. That seems like you're doing a lot of
1:51:03
the right things, man.
1:51:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
1:51:05
Speaker 2: I'm, you know, I just, I don't want to be
1:51:10
a prisoner to pills.
1:51:11
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I love my wife and I'm just excited
1:51:14
to have some babies and just, I want to get
1:51:17
myself like her career has taken off and my career
1:51:21
is going really well.
1:51:22
Speaker 2: And like, does she take SSRIs? No, that's good.
1:51:25
Speaker 3: She's very anti like any pharmaceuticals, which I really admire
1:51:29
about her.
1:51:30
Speaker 2: I was just reading something about SSRIs and the development
1:51:33
of children. children's brains when women are pregnant and they're
1:51:36
on SSRIs. And apparently there's a bunch of issues. I
1:51:40
can see that. I mean, look, man, there's millions of
1:51:45
people on those things. There's a giant business and they
1:51:48
want to hide all the side effects and hide all
1:51:50
the negative aspects of it and hide the impact that
1:51:53
it does just to the overall psyche of the nation.
1:51:56
When you've got, okay, let's just take a guess. How
1:51:59
many people do you think in this country are on SSRIs?
1:52:02
With liberal women, it's like 80 percent. And the other
1:52:09
20 percent need them. What's the percentage of people on
1:52:15
SSRIs in America? Let's guess. Man, I'd probably say like–
1:52:21
I would.
1:52:21
Speaker 3: Go even higher. I'd say like 60 to 75.
1:52:24
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. 60 to 75 percent of the country? Yeah. Wow.
1:52:30
I don't think it's that. I think it's under 30.
1:52:32
Speaker 3: It's too many.
1:52:34
Speaker 2: It's too many. It's definitely too many. But there's also
1:52:36
a bunch of people that are looking for a quick
1:52:37
fix when there's a bunch of factors to why you
1:52:40
don't feel happy. Like we were talking about before. There's lifestyle,
1:52:44
life choices, situation that is beyond your control, like where
1:52:49
you're born, where you live, the job that you have.
1:52:51
If you're in a place of limited opportunity and you
1:52:55
got a bunch of shitty people around you and life
1:52:57
sucks every day, it's hard to be happy. It's hard
1:53:00
to not feel depressed. So then there's the question of
1:53:02
like how does one develop the tools to get out
1:53:06
of that situation and get somewhere else? And for a
1:53:10
lot of people, it's something that helps them break out,
1:53:13
whether it's starting a business or being a musician or
1:53:15
an artist or something that gets you out of there.
1:53:19
And then you start getting around more positive people and
1:53:21
then you make more positive lifestyle choices. But you just
1:53:24
can't expect to be happy if your life is shit.
1:53:29
Thirteen percent. I was way off. American SSRI prescribing. But
1:53:34
I bet in your business, that's why you think of it.
1:53:37
Because with artists, I bet it's a lot higher. 13%
1:53:42
of U.S. adults report taking an antidepressant in any given
1:53:45
30-day period. SSRI is the most frequently used class within
1:53:49
that group. Yeah. Okay. So 13%. So that's 2015 to 2018, though.
1:53:53
I asked for an update for 2020. It said it's
1:53:55
about the same. For 2026. I mean, yeah.
1:54:03
Speaker 1: I asked, is there any updates in 2020? And it
1:54:05
basically said the same.
1:54:06
Speaker 2: So about 13%. Still a lot. One out of 10
1:54:10
people on crazy pills is a lot.
1:54:13
Speaker 3: Yeah. In, in the arts community though.
1:54:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:54:17
Speaker 3: Within the artist community. Um, the last data that I
1:54:21
remember reading was like 70% of like artists struggle with
1:54:25
some faction of mental health.
1:54:28
Speaker 2: But, um, That makes sense.
1:54:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:54:32
Speaker 2: And then there's also the newest element that targets your
1:54:36
mental health and goes after it, which is social media. Yeah.
1:54:41
Speaker 3: That's a rough one, boy.
1:54:42
Speaker 2: That's a rough one. And so many people treat that
1:54:45
as if it's no big deal. Like you're just shooting
1:54:47
heroin into your eyeballs every day with that stuff.
1:54:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
1:54:50
Speaker 2: Not good. So many people are in there. Yeah. All day,
1:54:55
every day, and then reading a bunch of negative shit
1:54:57
about them and getting angry and upset. And then carrying
1:55:01
that weight around with them all day.
1:55:04
Speaker 3: It's easy to say, like, don't read comments, but it's
1:55:08
easier said than done.
1:55:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:55:09
Speaker 3: You know?
1:55:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. Especially if you have it on your phone. That's
1:55:12
the thing. Like, you got to not have it on
1:55:14
your phone. If you have it on your phone, you're
1:55:16
going to go to it. But then the problem is
1:55:18
if you use it for touring and for posting information,
1:55:21
keeping your fans engaged. Yeah.
1:55:24
Speaker 3: Well, the algorithm also serves you like you got to
1:55:27
engage that. Like anytime you talk to a social media group,
1:55:31
they're like, what are your engagement levels like? Like, so
1:55:34
they want you on the app using it, commenting, responding
1:55:39
to people. Cause if you don't and you choose not
1:55:41
to do that and they're like, well, can we go
1:55:43
on there for you and like respond to comments or whatever?
1:55:46
And I'm like, no, I don't want you punching any bullshit.
1:55:50
So I'm like, I want to be on there and
1:55:51
be myself. And like, if this is a tool that
1:55:53
I have to have, I want it to be me
1:55:56
like authentically, but you know, It's a necessary evil.
1:56:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it ruins so many people's brains.
1:56:04
Speaker 3: It rots you.
1:56:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does. And it's also you're absorbing so
1:56:09
much negativity just from what's going on in the world.
1:56:13
Like on any given day, if I open up Twitter
1:56:16
and I just start reading what people are upset about,
1:56:18
it's just like, oh, my God, the whole world is
1:56:20
falling apart. Everyone's mad at everything and everyone and every
1:56:24
little whatever fucking social issue. Political issue, world issue, economic issue.
1:56:33
Everyone's blaming everyone and everyone's pissed. And there's so many
1:56:37
grifters and psychopaths that are just on there all day
1:56:40
using it and stirring up bullshit. Fuck, man.
1:56:44
Speaker 3: I know. It's– yeah. You think I can use the bathroom?
1:56:52
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. We can use the bathroom.
1:56:54
Speaker 3: We'll get into this.
1:56:55
Speaker 2: We're going to pee, folks. We'll be right back.
1:56:58
Speaker 3: And we're back.
1:56:59
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. Where were we? Depression. Everything sucks. Stay
1:57:02
off social media. Yeah. Let's talk about music.
1:57:04
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some music.
1:57:06
Speaker 2: Damn. How does it take so long to talk about this?
1:57:09
Speaker 3: You seen that James Brown interview from the 80s?
1:57:11
Speaker 2: Which one?
1:57:12
Speaker 3: When he's got those big glasses on.
1:57:13
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
1:57:14
Speaker 3: I want to talk about some music.
1:57:17
Speaker 2: That fucking interview is amazing.
1:57:19
Speaker 3: It's the best.
1:57:20
Speaker 2: When he had just got arrested.
1:57:22
Speaker 3: I'm out on love.
1:57:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Aren't you out on bail? I'm out on love.
1:57:27
Speaker 3: Yeah. And he starts talking to the women in the thing.
1:57:30
He's like, why is that, ladies?
1:57:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's hilarious.
1:57:34
Speaker 3: It's the best.
1:57:35
Speaker 2: Clearly high as fuck.
1:57:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:57:38
Speaker 3: Something going on there.
1:57:39
Speaker 2: James Brown was an original. When you first started doing music,
1:57:43
how old were you?
1:57:45
Speaker 3: Man, I was probably like two or three years old
1:57:49
when I.
1:57:49
Speaker 2: Started dealing with it. That's crazy.
1:57:52
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
1:57:53
Speaker 3: My grandfather played. My uncles. My dad still plays, you know. Wow.
1:58:00
Speaker 2: So were they professional or they just did it for fun?
1:58:03
Speaker 3: My grandfather, so he was a career serviceman. He was
1:58:06
in the Air Force and he was a staff master sergeant.
1:58:10
And he played hockey talks on the weekend. He was
1:58:13
in charge of booking all the NCO clubs on the base.
1:58:17
So he would book like Charlie Pride or Johnny Cash,
1:58:21
Barbara Mandrell, and his band would open up and then
1:58:24
back them up.
1:58:25
Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
1:58:26
Speaker 3: So he was a country and western purist.
1:58:29
Speaker 2: Did you get a go at any of those shows
1:58:31
when you were young?
1:58:32
Speaker 3: No, so this was back in the 60s.
1:58:34
Speaker 2: Oh.
1:58:35
Speaker 3: My dad's 73, I think now. He was born in 53.
1:58:41
And I was born when my dad was like 43. Oh, wow.
1:58:46
So by the time I came along, everybody was, you know,
1:58:50
a lot of my family traded in like, I think
1:58:55
they associated music with a lot of the secular lifestyle.
1:59:00
So they kind of, when they all got born again
1:59:03
and into the church, that's around the time I came around,
1:59:07
you know? So the music was really associated with church,
1:59:11
but I was really interested in that other stuff.
1:59:13
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? I wonder why there's a division.
1:59:18
Speaker 3: You know, I think about it a lot. I think
1:59:21
that's the closest you can get to divinity, you know,
1:59:24
is music really. Um, Allowing yourself to get that close
1:59:31
to something. And the conviction that you feel in a church,
1:59:35
you know, that's a good common thing for everybody to
1:59:40
get on the same level.
1:59:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of the church experience of everybody having
1:59:47
it together, experiencing it together as a group. Being together
1:59:51
live in a room. with a great musician on stage
1:59:55
when everyone's enjoying it together is very much a transcendent experience. Yeah.
1:59:59
It really is.
2:00:00
Speaker 3: It's like drinking the Kool-Aid, man.
2:00:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like there's a beautiful moment where you're all
2:00:04
experiencing it together and you're all clapping and cheering or
2:00:07
you're all dancing and singing along. It's a beautiful moment.
2:00:11
Speaker 3: It really is.
2:00:12
Speaker 2: Music is like a drug, man. It really is. It's
2:00:15
like a beautiful drug. Like the right song when you're
2:00:18
on the treadmill, you're like, fuck yeah. You could just
2:00:21
keep going, you know?
2:00:22
Speaker 3: I'd tear a door off the hinges.
2:00:24
Speaker 2: Yeah!
2:00:25
Speaker 3: If I hear, like, Little Feet, Skin It Back.
2:00:27
Speaker 2: Yeah! Yeah. There's certain songs that just give you fucking energy, man.
2:00:34
Speaker 3: Or, like, Bitch by the Rolling Stones.
2:00:36
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
2:00:36
Speaker 3: That song, if I need to pick me up in
2:00:38
the morning, that song comes on.
2:00:40
Speaker 2: A great weightlifting one is Prison Sex by Tool.
2:00:44
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah?
2:00:44
Speaker 2: Oh, you know that song?
2:00:46
Speaker 3: Tool's a band that I never really delved into, but
2:00:48
I know Danny Carey and I know them because of
2:00:53
my buddy Brent Hines. Did you ever listen to Mastodon?
2:00:57
Speaker 2: No.
2:00:58
Speaker 3: Man, I got to send you some choice cuts, but Brent,
2:01:02
he was the fucking man. He just died back in September.
2:01:08
I took him on the road right before.
2:01:09
Speaker 2: That, which was messy. Oh, really?
2:01:14
Speaker 3: Brent, he and Mastodon kind of had a mutual agreement
2:01:20
that he would leave the band. So he was doing
2:01:22
his solo thing and like, he's one of my heroes,
2:01:25
you know? And I was like, I'll take you out.
2:01:28
Speaker 2: Sure.
2:01:29
Speaker 3: And like, he just threw it together somehow. And then
2:01:32
I ended up having to kick him off the tour,
2:01:34
which like broke my heart, but he kind of forced
2:01:37
my hand. Um, the night in question, like I walked
2:01:41
outside and he had this little tour manager named Angela
2:01:45
and she was crying and, My tour manager was holding
2:01:50
her and she was crying. I was like, fucking A.
2:01:53
What happened now? She said, I walk into the dressing
2:01:57
room and Brent pee on the floor. And I said, no, no,
2:02:02
you have to stop. So then he pee in his mouth.
2:02:07
Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus Christ.
2:02:09
Speaker 3: And like, I know. You just have to picture my
2:02:12
boy just like pissing and she's like, you have to stop.
2:02:16
And then he's like, oh. He pisses in his own mouth.
2:02:19
And like at his funeral, I told Matt Pike from
2:02:23
the sleep. I told him that story. He was like, yeah.
2:02:27
Speaker 2: Like, and? Normal.
2:02:29
Speaker 3: He's like, it's a party trick.
2:02:30
Speaker 2: That's a Wednesday move.
2:02:31
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, no, it's hilarious. But it
2:02:34
really offended her, and she got very upset. And the
2:02:38
whole thing just fell apart. And, you know.
2:02:41
Speaker 2: That was the last straw?
2:02:42
Speaker 3: That was it.
2:02:43
Speaker 2: Fisting in his own mouth?
2:02:44
Speaker 3: That was what did it.
2:02:45
Speaker 2: Really?
2:02:45
Speaker 3: But, you know.
2:02:47
Speaker 2: Get him some paper towels and fix this.
2:02:49
Speaker 3: I was ready to fix it. But, like, his whole
2:02:52
band and crew, they were like, it's not working.
2:02:55
Speaker 2: What was he doing?
2:02:57
Speaker 3: He was just, just partying a little too much, you know?
2:03:01
And I mean, I really, I love that dude like
2:03:05
a brother, you know? I miss him. Miss him a lot.
2:03:09
Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes a really wild, crazy, off-the-rails person to
2:03:13
make music or make any kind of art that just
2:03:16
moves you, drives you crazy.
2:03:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he was a true artist, you know? Like,
2:03:22
he was insane. Yeah. And like, you gotta have friends that,
2:03:26
Your wife doesn't particularly love you hanging out with. Right.
2:03:30
You know? There's something about that friend.
2:03:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a lot of my friends.
2:03:34
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:03:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But those are the ones that make the magic. Yeah.
2:03:41
There's something to it. And again, it is a magic thing.
2:03:45
You know, and this is coming from someone with no music.
2:03:50
I have no talent. And so for me, like, watching
2:03:53
it and experiencing it is a pure experience because... I'm
2:03:57
not like, oh, I don't like how he played that chord.
2:04:00
I don't like how, I don't know anything about music.
2:04:02
I just know I love it.
2:04:04
Speaker 3: I mean, Rick Rubin, you know, he's held on to that.
2:04:09
He wants to be, you know, and I think he
2:04:11
has been like the, you know, the voice of like
2:04:16
the consumer. He hears what the consumer wants to hear.
2:04:20
Speaker 2: Well, he knows what he likes.
2:04:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:04:24
Speaker 2: And he's got a very interesting mind. He's a very
2:04:28
interesting person to talk to. His perspective on things is
2:04:32
very unique. I like him a lot. I really like
2:04:35
him a lot. I like talking to him a lot.
2:04:38
He sends you the wildest text messages. Oh, yeah. He
2:04:43
sends me some fucking conspiracies. Sometimes I have to say, hey,
2:04:48
that's not real. But every now and then he'll send
2:04:52
you some ones that make you question reality.
2:04:56
Speaker 3: I like the thought of you talking Rick off of
2:04:58
a ledge.
2:05:00
Speaker 2: Not necessarily talking him off a ledge. Just letting him
2:05:03
know that some of the– it's hard to know what's
2:05:06
real and what's not real out there in the world
2:05:07
if you're not like deep into the bowels of conspiracy
2:05:10
theory movement. Yeah.
2:05:12
Speaker 3: You know?
2:05:13
Speaker 1: Right.
2:05:13
Speaker 2: But again, a guy like Rick, like his sensibility, like
2:05:17
he has a– it's like a very valuable position. A
2:05:21
person just with a unique mind that is just– helping
2:05:25
shape how music gets produced and created. And because like whatever,
2:05:31
whatever it takes, whatever it, I mean, it's not a science,
2:05:35
like a math thing or a, it's not carpentry. Like
2:05:38
you have to level this and square that. Like, no man,
2:05:41
there's like some weirdness and there's love in there and
2:05:45
hate in there. And there's, there's, there's a lot of
2:05:48
stuff that it's, intangible it's hard to describe like why
2:05:53
this is better and why this is good but when
2:05:56
you hear it you know when you know you know
2:05:58
you know there's some riffs you know there's some riffs
2:06:03
that just like oh my god like the beginning of
2:06:06
Voodoo Child's Slight Return come on yeah come on just
2:06:11
the beginning you hear it you go oh yeah yeah
2:06:13
dude yeah.
2:06:15
Speaker 3: I mean Dan Auerbach's another one who's just oh yeah
2:06:18
I love those guys he's perfected the riff Yeah. Josh Homme.
2:06:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
2:06:26
Speaker 3: You know, Rick's a funny one, man. I love his
2:06:30
philosophy on music, too. He looks at it the same
2:06:33
way that Colonel Bruce Hampton looked at it. Colonel Bruce
2:06:36
Hampton and Rick both believed that music is like pro wrestling,
2:06:40
you know?
2:06:40
Speaker 2: Is Colonel Bruce Hampton the colonel from Elvis? That's a
2:06:44
different colonel. Who's Colonel Bruce Hampton?
2:06:46
Speaker 3: Colonel Bruce Hampton, he was kind of like... So Billy
2:06:49
Bob Thornton put him in a movie in Sling Blade.
2:06:53
He was, I can't remember his name in the film,
2:06:56
but yeah, Colonel Bruce Hampton. There he is. He died
2:06:58
on stage at the Fox Theater.
2:07:01
Speaker 1: Wow.
2:07:02
Speaker 2: In Detroit?
2:07:03
Speaker 3: No, in Atlanta.
2:07:04
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
2:07:06
Speaker 3: His story is he was born with two birth certificates.
2:07:10
He was just a wild man. He was just, he
2:07:12
was all about, like instead of instruction, he called it outstruction.
2:07:16
And like, Billy Bob worked on a documentary about him
2:07:19
in like 2003. Um, and he was just like his
2:07:25
whole philosophy on music and just like why we do
2:07:27
it and just pointing out the hilarity of like the
2:07:29
business and like the coffee getters as he referred to them.
2:07:33
You know, we have a whole industry built around coffee
2:07:35
getters now, you know, all the people that got the suits,
2:07:40
their lattes and stuff in the morning. Now they're calling
2:07:42
the shots and that's a, it's a weird place to be. But,
2:07:46
Colonel Bruce Hampton, what I do now is I just
2:07:52
buy copies of his documentary, basically, Frightened, and I just
2:07:58
give it to people who aren't. hip to the knowledge.
2:08:01
So I'll send a copy down here.
2:08:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Frightened?
2:08:03
Speaker 3: It's called Basically Frightened.
2:08:05
Speaker 2: Basically Frightened.
2:08:06
Speaker 3: Colonel Bruce Hampton's story, yeah.
2:08:07
Speaker 2: Is it available anywhere? Like is it on Apple or Amazon?
2:08:11
Speaker 3: It's not streaming anywhere. No? So I just collect the
2:08:14
DVDs when I can find them.
2:08:17
Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Can you buy a DVD anywhere? Like if
2:08:20
people are listening to this and they want to get
2:08:22
a hold of it?
2:08:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, like eBay.
2:08:23
Speaker 2: That's the only way?
2:08:25
Speaker 3: That's the only place I've found them.
2:08:27
Speaker 1: Really?
2:08:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll be bidding against me.
2:08:29
Speaker 2: You keep buying copies of it?
2:08:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, every time I give one away, I buy another copy.
2:08:35
Speaker 1: Wow. Here's a final thread on Reddit. People looking for
2:08:41
it and someone's like, just mail me the DVD and
2:08:43
I'll copy it for you.
2:08:45
Speaker 2: You can't find it anywhere. Wow.
2:08:48
Speaker 3: It would be cool if it were to be streamed somewhere.
2:08:52
It's a fascinating story.
2:08:54
Speaker 1: Why is it? $ 219 on Amazon, but I don't know
2:08:56
that it's going to be even real.
2:08:58
Speaker 2: Right. They might just send you a fucking brick.
2:09:01
Speaker 3: But he, he was somebody like, you know, widespread panic.
2:09:05
That was like their guru, you know, Colonel Bruce Hampton,
2:09:09
Jimmy Herring, you know, um, O'Toole Burbridge, who I'm in
2:09:14
a band with now. Um, you know, he started with Bruce, really.
2:09:19
Speaker 2: I've never heard of him before.
2:09:21
Speaker 3: You know, it's just, he's one of those guys that,
2:09:23
you know, he was like, to the southeast, he was
2:09:25
like our Frank Zappa, you.
2:09:27
Speaker 2: Know, like our Sun Ra.
2:09:30
Speaker 3: Oh, wow. He was just all about just the outrageousness. And,
2:09:35
you know, I have a lot of friends who spent
2:09:37
a lot more time with him than I did. But like,
2:09:39
he was one of the first people that took notice
2:09:42
to what I was doing when I was like 15,
2:09:45
you know. And then, I remember being in Germany and
2:09:50
finding out that he'd passed away on stage, which he predicted.
2:09:55
Speaker 2: He did? Really?
2:09:57
Speaker 3: Yeah. He said that's how he was.
2:09:58
Speaker 2: Going to go. Well, if you keep performing long enough,
2:10:03
Carlin died in a hotel room on the road. Really?
2:10:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:10:07
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to download this for you real quick.
2:10:09
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. It's unlisted on YouTube. Oh, perfect.
2:10:12
It won't be there tomorrow, though. After this episode gets released? Yeah.
2:10:17
Can you download it?
2:10:18
Speaker 1: I can try it, yeah.
2:10:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll figure it out, though. Okay. Jammy to the rescue. Sorry, folks,
2:10:26
if you're getting this.
2:10:27
Speaker 3: You might be able to find it still.
2:10:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe. Good luck. Somebody can upload it on one
2:10:32
of them other social media platforms. That's cool. I'm interested
2:10:37
in checking it out. I love music for inspiration, you know?
2:10:41
It's one of the.
2:10:44
Unique art forms that inspires you to create, inspires you
2:10:50
to go do things. Whenever I see a live band
2:10:54
or a live performer, I can't wait to go do something.
2:10:58
I want to go write. I want to go perform.
2:10:59
Paul Mooney, who's a great comedian. Do you know who
2:11:03
Paul Mooney is?
2:11:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:11:05
Speaker 2: He used to write for Richard Pryor. He was one
2:11:07
of the real OGs back in the early days when
2:11:10
I came to the comedy store. I was kind of
2:11:12
blown off. He was one of the guys I was
2:11:13
always nervous around being around until he liked me. It's like,
2:11:16
you know what I mean? Like Paul Mooney hates you.
2:11:18
You're fucked. But he gave me that advice once early on.
2:11:24
He said, if you want to entertain people, he said,
2:11:26
go be entertained. He goes, you want to entertain, honey?
2:11:30
Go be entertained, homie. Go see some other shit. He goes,
2:11:34
go see something that gets you. Go see a great movie.
2:11:37
Go see a band. Go see something. Be entertained.
2:11:41
Speaker 3: That's what, that's what my process is like in the studio, man.
2:11:43
Like this last record we did, like we had a
2:11:47
projector and we play like, you know, a giant with
2:11:52
James Dean or we play like a easy rider, big
2:11:55
Lebowski or like films that like inspired us films that
2:11:58
we like really gravitated towards. And I, all the while,
2:12:03
you know, waking up in the morning and reading East
2:12:05
of Eden and just like some of these great architects
2:12:08
of Americana and just like being inspired on every turn,
2:12:12
watching live concert footage of bands that we love, Marshall
2:12:15
Tucker band, Skinner, whatever the case, um, just inundating yourself
2:12:21
with inspiring stuff, you.
2:12:23
Speaker 2: Know, just something to get the juices flowing, just summon
2:12:27
the muse, something to.
2:12:30
Speaker 3: Sometimes we would play just the footage of like a
2:12:33
Midnight Cowboy or something. And we would record, you know,
2:12:37
in the mindset like we were trying to score this film,
2:12:40
you know.
2:12:40
Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
2:12:41
Speaker 3: Just to kind of get a different approach.
2:12:45
Speaker 2: I forgot about Midnight Cowboy. What a wild movie.
2:12:47
Speaker 3: It's a good one.
2:12:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was back when Times Square was dirty. Yeah.
2:12:52
Now Times Square is one big Applebee's.
2:12:55
Speaker 3: That's when people would go and watch pornography together in
2:12:57
a theater.
2:12:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. In a theater. Yeah. Not only that, but it
2:13:02
was a thing in the early days of pornography where
2:13:06
couples would go out and, like, Johnny Carson went to
2:13:10
see Deep Throat. Yeah. There's, like, famous people went to
2:13:15
see the film Deep Throat in the theater. Yep.
2:13:19
Speaker 3: Well, it was adult entertainment.
2:13:21
Speaker 2: But how weird is that? That pornography, like... There was
2:13:26
always stag films, right? Like that was the thing that
2:13:29
they used to make like in the early days of movies.
2:13:31
They would film people having sex and you could watch
2:13:35
it like at a stag party, which was like a
2:13:37
bachelor party. But then people tried to make films like
2:13:43
artistic films that had people having sex in them, which
2:13:47
is really interesting that we find that abhorrent. Like people
2:13:52
don't like that in today's society. We don't mind like
2:13:56
this show From that I was telling you about. Bro,
2:13:58
the violence is horrific. The gore and the violence is crazy.
2:14:02
That's okay. Just don't suck someone's dick. Don't make them come.
2:14:06
That's terrible. Do you remember the movie Bad Bunny? No,
2:14:09
not Bad Bunny. Was that Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny. Do
2:14:11
you remember the movie Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny was a
2:14:15
Vincent Gallo movie that he made. And there was a
2:14:19
real sex scene in there. Like how do you say
2:14:23
that lady's name? Chloe– I don't know how you say
2:14:29
her name. She's a really good actress. And she blows him, like,
2:14:33
for real in the movie. Like, it's a real scene.
2:14:37
And the movie's a real movie. But then when it
2:14:40
came to the sex part, they actually did it. And
2:14:43
people were horrified.
2:14:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:14:47
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so weird. Like, if it was violence, like,
2:14:52
if it was a scene where she beat him to
2:14:54
death with a baseball bat.
2:14:56
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
2:14:56
Speaker 2: People would be like, wow, what a crazy movie. Right.
2:14:59
But it was seen where she blows them. People are like,
2:15:01
this is outrageous.
2:15:02
Speaker 3: Outrageous.
2:15:03
Speaker 2: And I think that movie ruined Vincent Gallo's career. Really? Yeah,
2:15:08
because Vincent Gallo had been in a bunch of movies.
2:15:10
He's a really weird guy, like a very interesting guy.
2:15:13
And after that, he kind of dipped away from Hollywood.
2:15:18
Like he kind of vanished in a lot of ways.
2:15:22
And that was the big thing. I remember reading these
2:15:24
articles on how outraged people were. That they had actually
2:15:27
seen real sex in a movie. Like, it's so strange
2:15:31
that we don't mind violence. Like, once upon a time
2:15:34
in Hollywood, Brad Pitt takes a lady's head and bashes
2:15:37
it into a mantelpiece and fucking brains her. Fine.
2:15:41
Speaker 3: Fine.
2:15:41
Speaker 2: No outrage. Everyone okay? Everyone's okay. But if he fucked her, like,
2:15:47
actually pulled her pants down, you see Brad Pitt's penis
2:15:49
in her vagina. You're like, this is crazy. Something that
2:15:53
we all do. Yeah.
2:15:54
Speaker 3: But the simulation of it is fine, too.
2:15:56
Speaker 2: Right. Simulation of it is fine. Yeah. Like it was
2:15:59
a sex scene and you just see his hips and
2:16:02
her face like, oh, and they're kissing. Fine. I just
2:16:05
don't see actual sex. Even if it was like him
2:16:09
and his wife, like if he made a movie with
2:16:12
him and his wife and they decided to have actual
2:16:15
sex in the movie, people would be like, this is disgusting.
2:16:18
Get this fucking smut off the screen. But if they
2:16:21
had a movie with him and his wife and she
2:16:23
shoots him, like, okay, that's fine. Didn't really happen.
2:16:26
Speaker 3: Right.
2:16:27
Speaker 2: Weird right it.
2:16:28
Speaker 3: Is weird I mean hell I did a commercial for
2:16:32
like I did a shoot for this car and like
2:16:36
they couldn't have me in the car while it was
2:16:38
moving for insurance purposes so they had to like make
2:16:41
it seem like I was in the car while it was.
2:16:42
Speaker 2: Moving insurance purposes that's crazy but that's more of a
2:16:51
financial thing yeah but the weirdness about sex the point
2:16:56
is Like see if you can find that footage of
2:17:01
all the people that were in line. There's like an
2:17:04
old– there's a YouTube video of an old news report
2:17:08
of people in line to see Deep Throat.
2:17:12
Speaker 3: Right.
2:17:12
Speaker 2: And again, Johnny Carson was one of them. I think
2:17:14
they even interviewed him after the film. Like they went
2:17:18
and watched people fuck and like it was a movie.
2:17:22
Like you're watching The Joker or something.
2:17:24
Speaker 1: Right.
2:17:25
Speaker 2: Very odd.
2:17:26
Speaker 3: It is odd. And they got that name Deep Throat
2:17:29
from the Watergate.
2:17:32
Speaker 2: Did they?
2:17:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:17:33
Speaker 2: I thought Deep Throat was afterwards. I thought the Watergate
2:17:40
thing was after. I don't know.
2:17:43
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. Chicken or the egg.
2:17:45
Speaker 2: Okay, so Watergate was what, 70?
2:17:47
Speaker 3: 74.
2:17:47
Speaker 2: Was it?
2:17:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, the movie came out in 72.
2:17:51
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. So the movie came out first. Okay. And
2:17:54
so that was after those. So that's interesting too when
2:17:57
you think about like 72 was not that long ago
2:18:02
and people's ideas of pornography were very different back then.
2:18:06
Speaker 3: A lot of my favorite venues in the country were
2:18:09
porno theaters first.
2:18:11
Speaker 2: Comedy mothership bro all right yeah it was a porno
2:18:13
theater at one point in time and.
2:18:15
Speaker 3: Like people cared about like the quality of like the
2:18:18
the audio production in those films and like you know
2:18:21
and these rooms sound really good variety playhouse in.
2:18:24
Speaker 2: Atlanta it's one of the best scenes in american werewolf
2:18:27
in london okay do you remember that movie american werewolf
2:18:30
in london um it's a great fucking movie one of
2:18:34
the best scenes they're in the middle of london And
2:18:36
they're in an adult movie theater. And these people are
2:18:39
watching pornography. They're watching a smut film. And while these
2:18:44
people are fucking, he turns into a werewolf and kills everybody.
2:18:48
Speaker 3: I got to check that out. Oh, it's great.
2:18:50
Speaker 2: One of the greatest movies of all time. That wolf
2:18:51
that we have in the lobby, that's a recreation.
2:18:54
Speaker 3: Oh, really?
2:18:55
Speaker 2: Of American Werewolf. Okay. That's what that is.
2:18:58
Speaker 1: The thing with Johnny Carson and Deep Throat, I think,
2:19:00
is like a conglomeration memory.
2:19:03
Speaker 2: Is it?
2:19:04
Speaker 1: There is a photo of people waiting in line to
2:19:07
see the movie, but it's like this is it on
2:19:11
the screen. But there was a video of Johnny Carson
2:19:17
talking about it after the fact during his monologue that
2:19:20
he went.
2:19:21
Speaker 3: To see it.
2:19:22
Speaker 2: Oh, so there wasn't a photo or a video of
2:19:24
him at the movie theater?
2:19:25
Speaker 1: I don't think so, man. I'm looking for it. I
2:19:27
sort of remember what you're talking about. I think we
2:19:30
might have read an article that listed all of this
2:19:32
stuff together.
2:19:34
Speaker 3: What was that play where they had, like, everybody was, like,
2:19:38
naked and it was, like, really a big deal? Was it, like,
2:19:44
Hairspray or something like that?
2:19:45
Speaker 2: I don't know.
2:19:46
Speaker 3: In the late 70s, my dad told me him and
2:19:49
his friends went to go see this, like, Broadway production
2:19:52
or off-Broadway production where, like, everybody was, like, nude and
2:19:56
it was, like, this really, you know, it was, like,
2:19:59
this really racy thing. Yeah. And there was a preacher
2:20:03
up front just, like, Really just giving him hell, man.
2:20:07
And then he got up closer and he realized it
2:20:09
was his uncle. My great uncle was up there. Just
2:20:14
motherfucking him.
2:20:15
Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Widely cited overview. Many works are quoted. Note
2:20:20
that several mainstream celebrities appear to have seen Deep Throat,
2:20:22
including Martin Scorsese, Brian De Palma, Truman Capote, Jack Nicholson,
2:20:26
Johnny Carson, Spiro Agnew, Frank Sinatra, and others. Barbara Walters
2:20:31
later mentioned seeing it in her memoir. These references are
2:20:35
usually brief, but they're pulled into many articles about the
2:20:38
film's cultural impact. But that's what's so interesting. It's like
2:20:42
that is not normal in today's society to even think
2:20:47
that a bunch of people would say they went to
2:20:48
go see a porn film.
2:20:50
Speaker 1: I think this is also– so Midnight Cowboy, which is
2:20:52
where you guys started this, 1969, which is before this,
2:20:56
and won Best Picture as the only X-rated or NC-17 movie.
2:20:59
So there started a little bit of a trend then. Interesting.
2:21:05
Speaker 2: And this is only three years later, you know. Why
2:21:08
was Midnight Cowboy X-rated? The reason? Yeah, like what was
2:21:13
so explicit that they had to make it an X?
2:21:18
Speaker 1: I would say a little bit has to do with marketing.
2:21:22
But I don't know if there's a reason.
2:21:24
Speaker 2: Marketing.
2:21:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would make people want to go see it.
2:21:26
Speaker 2: Right, I guess. Oh, this is crazy. This movie is crazy.
2:21:32
Standing out here.
2:21:38
Speaker 1: After consulting with a psychologist, they were told to give
2:21:40
it a next homosexual frame reference and its possible influence
2:21:45
on youngsters.
2:21:46
Speaker 3: Wow.
2:21:47
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Today that would be celebrated.
2:21:50
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a rape scene?
2:21:52
Speaker 2: I haven't seen this movie. I saw it in like
2:21:55
the 80s. I haven't seen it in forever.
2:21:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even, I mean, like in that film, it's
2:22:02
like a distant thought that John Voight's character keeps going
2:22:06
back to, like, the rape scene. Whereas, like... When was
2:22:10
the last time you saw it? A couple months ago, probably.
2:22:14
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
2:22:14
Speaker 3: But, like, fucking... The Deliverance plays on AMC on TV.
2:22:20
Speaker 2: Right, right, which is another rape scene, right?
2:22:21
Speaker 3: Nothing's edited out.
2:22:24
Speaker 2: Squeal like a pig.
2:22:26
Speaker 3: That one fucked me up when I was a kid,
2:22:27
I'm not gonna lie.
2:22:28
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, very much so.
2:22:30
Speaker 3: Not to mention it, like, supposedly took place, like, in
2:22:34
the Appalachian backdrop, which is where I grew up. I
2:22:37
was like, that's fucking happening here?
2:22:40
Speaker 2: Because of then-shocking sexual content, even more importantly, it's frank
2:22:44
portrayal of homosexuality and hustling. Hustling meaning having gay sex
2:22:50
for money, which the studio and censors saw as potentially
2:22:53
corrupting to young viewers. The film includes scenes and references
2:22:57
to male prostitution, homosexual encounters, and brief but explicit situations,
2:23:02
including sexual implied oral sex and nudity, which went far
2:23:06
beyond what Hollywood had shown in a mainstream drama up
2:23:09
to that point.
2:23:10
Speaker 1: Maybe now it would get just an R, but that
2:23:14
would be with this never existing.
2:23:16
Speaker 2: Now it would be celebrated. It's a film celebrating sex workers.
2:23:22
It's weird. It's weird what was– but it's also weird
2:23:25
that there was a movie that was an actual porn
2:23:28
movie that a bunch of people just went to see
2:23:30
and talked about. Like today– People want to pretend they
2:23:33
don't even watch porn. Meanwhile, I think last check we
2:23:37
did– no, we've done this before, Jamie. Like what percentage
2:23:41
of the internet is pornography, internet traffic? Take a guess
2:23:46
at that. I bet it's way more than SSRIs.
2:23:48
Speaker 3: Right?
2:23:51
Speaker 2: Don't you think?
2:23:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't guessed right so far. So let's see. 50%.
2:23:59
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think it's that high. I would say 30.
2:24:02
I would say 30% of the internet, but I could
2:24:05
be wrong. I don't remember. 30% of the internet traffic
2:24:08
is pornography. Let's say that. Maybe it's 40.
2:24:11
Speaker 1: I was just saying that's a myth.
2:24:14
Speaker 2: It's a myth?
2:24:15
Speaker 1: I haven't read through this yet.
2:24:16
Speaker 2: That's a bunch of people lying about jerking off.
2:24:18
Speaker 1: 30 to 40% of things are a myth, apparently.
2:24:22
Speaker 2: Okay. Porn makes up a small share of sites. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
2:24:25
but traffic.
2:24:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, it says it.
2:24:27
Speaker 2: 30% to 40% widely stated. But what about traffic? The
2:24:34
amount of internet searches? Yeah, but no. But I mean traffic,
2:24:39
like the amount of bandwidth.
2:24:40
Speaker 1: All right, then it's getting lost in this word.
2:24:42
Speaker 2: I used traffic.
2:24:43
Speaker 1: No, I used traffic.
2:24:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did. Why do we see higher numbers? See
2:24:48
37% of the internet is porn. BBC reported tracing one
2:24:52
of these popular figures back to single content filter company
2:24:55
press release Not an independent audited measurement. Some advocacy. I
2:25:00
bet now today because of YouTube and the amount of
2:25:04
streaming that goes on with like Instagram and TikTok, I
2:25:08
bet it probably isn't as high as it used to be.
2:25:11
The percentage wise. Because there's so much more content that's
2:25:14
being streamed now than ever before. Porn related searches are
2:25:18
13% on the web and 20% on mobile devices. That's funny.
2:25:22
It's more on mobile devices because people can hide in
2:25:24
the toilet. The content filter company. Okay.
2:25:30
Speaker 1: The claim comes from this.
2:25:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, we read that. We already read that.
2:25:33
Speaker 1: So it could be just made up to begin with.
2:25:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. But there's got to be like
2:25:37
a number. I don't know. Like the internet traffic. I
2:25:40
don't know how you'd get that number. So some advocacy
2:25:42
or internet safety groups cite very high traffic shares and
2:25:46
storage figures. Example, nearly a third of all internet traffic.
2:25:50
But these are rough, sometimes opaque estimates rather than peer-reviewed measurements. Hmm. Okay.
2:25:58
So it's at least 4%. So it says roughly websites,
2:26:02
4% to 12%. That's a lot. Does 4% to 12%
2:26:07
of the whole internet is jerk-off websites? That's crazy. But
2:26:13
the volume in terms of the amount of bandwidth used. Right.
2:26:20
Speaker 3: But.
2:26:21
Speaker 2: I bet if you went and watched Deep Throat today,
2:26:24
it'd probably be pretty pedestrian.
2:26:25
Speaker 3: It'd be tamed.
2:26:26
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:26:26
Speaker 3: It probably would seem just like soft core almost.
2:26:29
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, like one of them Showtime late night movies. Yeah.
2:26:34
Speaker 3: I mean, it is something that I, you know, I
2:26:39
like to save all that, you know, when I get
2:26:42
home off the road, see my wife.
2:26:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:26:45
Speaker 3: You know, there's something to that.
2:26:49
Speaker 2: The woman had an unusual birth defect that came from
2:26:51
a doctor who has an unorthodox solution to make the
2:26:53
best of her situation. Is that it?
2:26:57
Speaker 1: Is that the deep throat?
2:26:59
Speaker 2: Yes.
2:26:59
Speaker 1: Yes.
2:27:00
Speaker 2: Or that she could just take it.
2:27:01
Speaker 1: Some birth defect?
2:27:02
Speaker 2: Balls deep downward. Their chin. That guy, Harry Reams, he
2:27:07
was like one of the first famous male porn stars.
2:27:09
I think he went on to be a real estate
2:27:12
salesman or something. Like, if you're one of those people
2:27:15
that gets famous fucking, that has got to be a
2:27:19
very weird.
2:27:20
Speaker 1: Is that where the porn mustache comes from?
2:27:21
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
2:27:22
Speaker 3: Got it.
2:27:23
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
2:27:23
Speaker 2: He had a crazy stache. 1947. Wow. What's he up
2:27:28
to these days? He passed away. Did he? Yeah. When
2:27:31
did he pass away? 1913.
2:27:33
Speaker 3: Wow.
2:27:34
Speaker 2: Didn't live that long. All that fucking wasted all his jizz.
2:27:40
I bet he shaved off his mustache. He was just anonymous.
2:27:42
He was just drifting out of traffic. Nobody even noticed him.
2:27:46
You know?
2:27:46
Speaker 1: Right.
2:27:48
Speaker 2: Weird life, having sex with people on camera.
2:27:50
Speaker 1: Should we add that to the wall?
2:27:51
Speaker 2: Oh, look at that. Everyone's got arrested. Look at that.
2:27:54
When would he get arrested to?
2:27:55
Speaker 1: If we add it to the wall? Yeah. Indecent something.
2:27:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should add that to the wall. Memphis.
2:28:02
Speaker 3: You got to be up to some no good to
2:28:04
get arrested in Memphis, I feel like.
2:28:05
Speaker 2: What did he get arrested for? I'll see if it
2:28:06
says something. Too much dick.
2:28:09
Speaker 1: It says his appearance in Deep Throat led to his
2:28:12
arrest by FBI agents in Memphis. Wow. Charges of conspiracy
2:28:15
to distribute obscenity across state lines.
2:28:18
Speaker 2: Whoa. Whoa.
2:28:21
Speaker 1: He called it forum shopping, but I don't.
2:28:22
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
2:28:25
Speaker 1: For real term, for the practice of litigants taking actions
2:28:29
to have their legal case heard in the court, they
2:28:31
believe is most to.
2:28:33
Speaker 2: Give them a good judgment.
2:28:35
Speaker 1: They're trying to get them convicted, I guess. Trying to
2:28:38
make an example of them. So they found a court
2:28:39
that would.
2:28:40
Speaker 2: Take the case.
2:28:40
Speaker 3: Like for obscenity?
2:28:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. How interesting. Miller v.
2:28:45
Speaker 1: California. Reams is granted a new trial. Charges were dropped
2:28:49
in August.
2:28:49
Speaker 2: Wow. The defense argues.
2:28:51
Speaker 1: The first act to ever be prosecuted by the federal
2:28:53
government for appearing.
2:28:54
Speaker 2: In a film.
2:28:55
Speaker 3: It's like the Lenny Bruce of Slinging Dick.
2:28:58
Speaker 1: And then all these people got behind him.
2:29:01
Speaker 2: Very. Shirley MacLaine, Warren Beatty, Richard Dreyfuss. They all got
2:29:05
behind him. Jack Nicholson, Ben Gazzara. Wow. Dick Cavett.
2:29:10
Speaker 1: No, he was in Grease.
2:29:12
Speaker 2: That's the coach. Wow. He was in the movie Grease,
2:29:15
the musical?
2:29:16
Speaker 3: What?
2:29:17
Speaker 2: What? In 1978?
2:29:19
Speaker 1: Out of fear his notoriety would jeopardize the film's block,
2:29:22
he was replaced.
2:29:24
Speaker 2: Oh, he was cast and he was replaced by Sid Caesar.
2:29:27
That's hilarious. Wow. In 1982, after an eight-year hiatus from porn,
2:29:34
Reams returned to the industry and performed in the film
2:29:37
Society Affairs and reportedly received a six-figure salary. How weird. Weird.
2:29:47
It is. The whole pornography thing is very strange because
2:29:50
like people want to watch other people have sex because
2:29:53
people like having sex.
2:29:55
Speaker 3: But it's like– But you can't talk about it.
2:30:00
Speaker 2: If you say you like it, people are like, what
2:30:02
the fuck is wrong with you? And then they watch it.
2:30:04
Speaker 3: But if we could destigmatize it and like not give
2:30:08
people unrealistic ideas of what happens in the bedroom– And
2:30:13
noted as something that is entertainment.
2:30:15
Speaker 2: I think the fear is that the women that are
2:30:19
in it, for the rest of their life, they're always
2:30:22
going to be thought of a certain way. And the
2:30:24
men skate. They don't really have a– they're thought as seedy,
2:30:28
but they don't thought as like girls that got used. Well,
2:30:34
I think what's going to get weird is AI porn.
2:30:38
Because then you can watch porn and there's no victims.
2:30:41
There's no person you feel bad for. Like, oh, that
2:30:44
poor girl. Everyone's going to know that she sucked dick
2:30:46
on camera. She took it in the ass on camera.
2:30:49
It's not a real person. So then maybe you can
2:30:51
watch that and.
2:30:52
Speaker 3: Remove any kind of victim.
2:30:56
Speaker 2: I don't know. People are fucking weird.
2:30:59
Speaker 3: People are weird.
2:31:00
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing I've never tried and I'm
2:31:02
not going to. I don't want it. Nope. Not going
2:31:04
to do it. Is VR porn. Because Duncan told me, dude,
2:31:09
have you ever seen VR porn? It's fucking amazing. I'm
2:31:12
not going to do it. I'm not going to sit
2:31:15
there with fucking goggles on and jack it off.
2:31:17
Speaker 3: Joe hasn't left his house in about six months.
2:31:21
Speaker 2: I mean, you imagine you're watching porn and the people
2:31:24
are fucking 20 feet high in front of you. They're banging.
2:31:27
And if you can move around in it, like you
2:31:29
can move around in other VR, you can get really
2:31:32
close to watch the dick go in there.
2:31:36
Speaker 3: That's one thing I haven't tried either.
2:31:38
Speaker 2: VR porn? Good for you. Stay away. VR in general
2:31:41
is weird. You know what's really great, though, is VR games.
2:31:45
Have you ever done any VR games? You know what
2:31:47
Sandbox is? You ever heard of Sandbox? Sandbox, they have
2:31:51
one in Austin. They had one in Woodland Hills right
2:31:54
down the street from our old studio in L.A., and
2:31:58
it is a place where you go. It's like a
2:32:00
big-ass warehouse, and you go to these rooms in the warehouse,
2:32:04
and they have fans set up and everything. It's all
2:32:06
like these walls, like it's all boundaries. They put a
2:32:11
haptic feedback vest on you and goggles and they give
2:32:14
you rifles and the plastic rifles. And then you get
2:32:18
dropped into this virtual reality world where you fight zombies.
2:32:21
Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
2:32:22
Speaker 2: It's fucking dope. Dude, it's nuts. When the zombies attack you,
2:32:27
they run at you. They claw you. You see blood
2:32:29
splatter in front of your eyes and you gun them down.
2:32:32
It's fucking crazy. There's one called Deadwood Mansion. That's my favorite.
2:32:37
And the Deadwood Mansion. There's a couple different Deadwood games.
2:32:40
I think there's two or three now. I think there's three.
2:32:45
I think there's three. There's three zombie games that you
2:32:49
can play. Three different ones. No, it's here. Here. They
2:32:52
have one in Austin.
2:32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:32:53
Speaker 2: It's out at the Domain. Yeah. It's out of the Domain.
2:32:58
It's fucking so fun. My family hates it because they
2:33:02
get sick, and that's all I ever want to do.
2:33:04
So on Father's Day, I make everybody shoot zombies with me. Like,
2:33:08
it's Father's Day. What do you want to do? Shoot zombies.
2:33:11
Speaker 3: Like, no.
2:33:12
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on. We have to do it. Once
2:33:15
you do it, it's fun.
2:33:17
Speaker 3: Father's Day is coming up, Joe.
2:33:18
Speaker 2: Tournament. Okay. At one point in time, I had the
2:33:23
number three score in the country.
2:33:25
Speaker 3: No shit.
2:33:25
Speaker 2: Killing zombies. Yeah, I went ham one day. One day
2:33:28
I was just locked the fuck in. And the key is,
2:33:31
I'm going to give you guys a pro tip. If
2:33:34
you're doing Deadwood Mansion, get the shotgun. The shotgun is overpowered.
2:33:38
The shotgun kills more things than anything else. It's way
2:33:42
better at it. But the game is nuts, man. I mean,
2:33:44
there's zombie rats that come running at you. There's fucking
2:33:48
people that are attached to the walls and they shoot
2:33:51
down their tongue and wrap it around your neck and
2:33:54
they're pulling on you. Show them a clip of it.
2:33:57
It's crazy. It is a fucking– it's really fun, dude.
2:34:02
You'll love it.
2:34:03
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the band to do that.
2:34:04
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what you could do. You could do it
2:34:06
like six people.
2:34:07
Speaker 3: You just go in there and– We're always looking for
2:34:09
like band activities.
2:34:10
Speaker 2: It's a good one. I bet they have multiple. I
2:34:14
only know of these two of Austin and L.A.
2:34:17
Speaker 1: The one I pulled up is in Atlanta.
2:34:19
Speaker 2: Oh, there's one in Atlanta? Mm-hmm. Yeah, they have to
2:34:21
have them all over the place. I don't know. I
2:34:24
have no idea why it's not everywhere because it's so fun.
2:34:27
It's one of the most fun things you could do
2:34:29
with your friends. We've done it. My wife and I
2:34:31
have done it on double dates. Like you go do
2:34:33
that and then you go have dinner. It's great, man.
2:34:37
It's great. It's really fun.
2:34:39
Speaker 1: They got a ton of locations now.
2:34:41
Speaker 2: Oh, shit. They're all over the place now. Yeah, that's great.
2:34:46
See if you can find a video of Deadwood Mansion. Oh,
2:34:49
Deadwood Phobia. Oh, that's the newest one. That's the third one. Oh,
2:34:52
there's a Squid Games one. We've done that one too.
2:34:55
The Stranger Things one. They have so many different... Deadwood Valley,
2:35:00
that's another one that's really good. The Deadwood Valley one,
2:35:04
they have a... Yeah, there we go. So check this out.
2:35:08
So this is what happens. You get dropped off into
2:35:10
this city and the zombies are there. And so this is...
2:35:16
This is cut between you with the guns and then
2:35:20
this is what you see. This is what it looks like.
2:35:24
This is more like a video showing you what it
2:35:28
looks like on the outside. But when you're in it,
2:35:30
I wish they would show you what it looks like.
2:35:32
That's what it looks like when you're in it. And
2:35:35
these dudes are chasing after you and you're gunning them down.
2:35:39
It's really fun. But again, there's a bunch of games
2:35:43
that you can do that... Survive the horrors. You got
2:35:50
to save the heroes. There's people in there that you
2:35:53
have to save, and there's other people that you have
2:35:55
to kill. It's dope. It's really fun.
2:35:58
Speaker 3: It's badass.
2:36:00
Speaker 2: So that's a good use of VR. Don't be looking
2:36:03
at 10-foot vaginas. Go kill fake zombies. You get stuck
2:36:08
on a train, and as the train's running down the tracks,
2:36:11
they're jumping onto the train and trying to get you.
2:36:13
You have to gun them down. It's really fun.
2:36:15
Speaker 3: That seems like something like I could get into– I
2:36:18
never played any video games growing up.
2:36:20
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, no. That's crazy. How old are you? 30.
2:36:24
How is that possible?
2:36:25
Speaker 3: I mean, I just– I never had much interest in them.
2:36:28
Like when I was young, I don't know.
2:36:32
Speaker 2: Do your friends play video games?
2:36:36
Speaker 3: Like the rest of the band, they all play, you know.
2:36:39
Speaker 2: And you just say, nope, not interested.
2:36:41
Speaker 3: I was just never really into it, man.
2:36:42
Speaker 2: Well, this is different than a regular video game. Like,
2:36:45
this is very physical. Like, you're running around. You're in
2:36:48
a room that's bigger than this room. And you have
2:36:50
your haptic feedback. You also have fans that blow air
2:36:53
at you. You know, like, it's also to cool you off, too,
2:36:57
because it gets hot as fuck. And you're running around.
2:36:58
You got this vest on. And when you get grabbed,
2:37:01
the vest vibrates. So you feel it. Like, oh, that's sick. Oh, yeah.
2:37:05
It's really fun. But. It's probably good that you never
2:37:07
got into video games because they're so time intensive. They
2:37:10
rob you of your life. You think golf robs you
2:37:13
of your life? You don't have to leave the house
2:37:15
to play video games. Look at Jamie over there. How
2:37:17
often do you play video games, Jamie?
2:37:19
Speaker 3: Not that often.
2:37:20
Speaker 2: No?
2:37:20
Speaker 1: No.
2:37:21
Speaker 2: I thought you were a junkie. I actually haven't played
2:37:23
in weeks.
2:37:24
Speaker 3: Ooh.
2:37:25
Speaker 2: Maybe. But you were hooked for a while, right?
2:37:29
Speaker 1: As I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, I grew
2:37:31
up playing video games, but I also wish I was
2:37:33
fucking sick of guitar. So there's a fucking trade-off there.
2:37:38
Speaker 2: And most people I.
2:37:38
Speaker 1: Know who are sick of guitar aren't good at video
2:37:41
games or play them.
2:37:42
Speaker 2: That's a very good point.
2:37:44
Speaker 3: I made an effort like a year or two ago.
2:37:48
I got a PS5 and I got Red Dead Redemption.
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I was like, I'm going to fucking do it. I'm
2:37:52
going to play this game. And I just got... I
2:37:55
was like, I feel like I'm just doing chores. And
2:37:58
I asked my drummer. He was like, yeah, that's pretty
2:38:00
much what it is.
2:38:00
Speaker 2: Oh, Red Dead Redemption? Yeah. You got to play something
2:38:04
like a first-person shooter. You know, play like Quake or
2:38:07
something like that. What's the big first-person shooter that the
2:38:11
kids play today, Jamie? I mean, Fortnite, really. Fortnite? Fortnite's
2:38:15
been around forever. When my kids were in... Like, grade
2:38:19
school Fortnite was big.
2:38:21
Speaker 1: Yep, and they just made some weird... I stopped paying attention, but, like,
2:38:25
Star Wars is now in Fortnite, and the games that
2:38:27
they made for Star Wars are just like, nope, it's
2:38:30
just in this thing now. You can just play it
2:38:32
in here.
2:38:32
Speaker 2: Wow, really?
2:38:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like they downloaded Stormtroopers and Lifesavers.
2:38:38
Speaker 2: Whoa!
2:38:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, my nephews are always hitting me for... What do
2:38:41
they call that? Like Fortnite Bucks? V-Bucks.
2:38:45
Speaker 2: V-Bucks. They want V-Bucks so they can play more. Yeah,
2:38:48
there's Robux. My kids were always into Robux for Roblox
2:38:52
so you could buy things in Roblox. But apparently now
2:38:55
there's like pedophiles have gotten into Roblox. They try to
2:38:59
message people.
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Speaker 3: They ruin everything.
2:39:01
Speaker 2: They do. They do. Creeps ruin everything. But there's some
2:39:06
very fun video games that you shouldn't ever do because
2:39:09
it will fuck with all the other things you do. Like,
2:39:12
not getting into golf, not getting into video games. Again,
2:39:15
Jamie's dead right. That's probably why you're so sick of guitar.
2:39:21
Speaker 1: You can make a guitar gently weep.
2:39:24
Speaker 2: Well, there's other things, like, there's certain games where you
2:39:27
can play guitar, like Guitar Hero.
2:39:29
Speaker 1: That's not the fucking same.
2:39:31
Speaker 2: No, no, no, but. haven't people learned how to play guitar,
2:39:34
an actual guitar, because of Guitar Hero?
2:39:36
Speaker 1: There's a game, there's technically a game, it's like a
2:39:38
training game called Rocksmith, which is a way, it's a,
2:39:41
you actually have a guitar and it's plugged into it,
2:39:43
not on a, Guitar Hero, you're just hitting five buttons.
2:39:47
Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
2:39:48
Speaker 1: You're just matching red to red, blue to blue, and
2:39:49
it's a timing thing, but as you, no transfer.
2:39:53
Speaker 2: It doesn't, oh, but it would, I would imagine that
2:39:56
a game that would teach you how to play guitar
2:39:59
with an actual guitar would be dope. Like, if you got, like,
2:40:02
You know, like these games, like the sandbox game Deadwood Mansion,
2:40:07
you get a gun. And if you get really good,
2:40:11
like Staccato has a VR gun game. Staccato, they make pistols.
2:40:16
And there's a VR gun game, and you get a
2:40:20
plastic staccato. And when you're playing this game, like you're
2:40:24
actually pointing the trigger and– When you pull the trigger,
2:40:27
there's actually like a muzzle jump. Oh, wow. So your
2:40:29
reticle actually jumps up and down a little. Your red
2:40:32
dot jumps up and down a little bit. That would
2:40:35
be exactly like it would do if you actually shot
2:40:37
a gun. So they have to like recenter it. Bang, bang, bang.
2:40:41
And so you could run around doing things and shoot
2:40:44
stuff and shoot targets and– That's here too? Yeah. But
2:40:48
that's a game that you can get for like meta
2:40:51
VR goggles, like consumer VR goggles. And so you– Doing
2:40:56
that could get better at shooting guns because you're shooting
2:41:00
a plastic. It doesn't weigh the same, but it's the
2:41:02
same shape, the same form. It's a plastic gun. I
2:41:05
mean what they really should do is make one of
2:41:07
those things with the weight of an actual steel gun
2:41:11
so that you're accustomed to the actual feel of the thing.
2:41:14
And then, God, why can't they do that? They should
2:41:17
be able to do that. Maybe we'll talk to them.
2:41:21
But if you did that, like that would be a
2:41:23
skill that would actually transfer over. So if they could
2:41:26
do that with a guitar, if they could figure out
2:41:28
a way to attach computer sensors to an actual real guitar.
2:41:32
Speaker 1: This is Rocksmith. There's levels of it.
2:41:37
Speaker 2: You can slow it down. And what are you playing?
2:41:40
Real songs. You pick the song. They're all real songs. Right.
2:41:43
But what is the interface?
2:41:45
Speaker 3: A guitar.
2:41:46
Speaker 2: Oh, an actual guitar. Yeah, it's plugged in with a
2:41:48
USB cable to the computer. Oh, it's their virtual guitar? No, no.
2:41:54
Speaker 1: I showed you what it looks like on the game.
2:41:58
Speaker 2: Right. But it looks like an actual guitar.
2:42:01
Speaker 1: Whatever guitar you want to play.
2:42:02
Speaker 2: It's your guitar.
2:42:05
Speaker 1: It's not a fake guitar. Guitars are just things that
2:42:09
vibrate strings and expel.
2:42:12
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, that's dope.
2:42:14
Speaker 1: Digital sound thing.
2:42:16
Speaker 2: That is dope. That's actually pretty sick. After a while,
2:42:19
you'd have to abandon that, right?
2:42:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good at guitar.
2:42:24
Speaker 2: I mean, did you learn by lessons or did you
2:42:26
just learn by playing?
2:42:28
Speaker 3: So initially, I just learned by just sitting around the house,
2:42:32
watching cartoons, playing guitar. My grandfather would teach me something.
2:42:37
He'd give me like a project, basically, or my dad
2:42:41
would leave me a record to listen to. And it
2:42:43
was just his old record collection. So a lot of
2:42:46
Allman Brothers band, a lot of Skinnerd. Marshall Tucker band,
2:42:49
that kind of thing. And then I would just sit
2:42:52
at home all day and just go over it. And
2:42:55
then later when I was in high school, I studied
2:42:58
jazz theory with Steve Watson. It was like a vocational
2:43:05
school for the arts. It was called the Fine Arts
2:43:07
Center in Greenville, South Carolina. And I'd go there in
2:43:12
the afternoons and study jazz theory, which was... which was
2:43:16
really beneficial because it's, it's good to put a, put
2:43:20
a vocabulary to the things that you, you kind of knew,
2:43:24
you know, but you didn't know how to quite name it.
2:43:26
Speaker 2: Right.
2:43:27
Speaker 3: Just kind of learning the, you know, the vocabulary, learning,
2:43:31
you know, what the things are called and then expanding
2:43:34
upon that, you know, yeah. Music theory is a, is
2:43:39
a valuable tool.
2:43:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. Does it, does it help you in writing songs?
2:43:44
Speaker 3: It can. Um, It helps in, like, in Nashville, they
2:43:49
use something called the Nashville number system. So, like, you
2:43:52
go into a session, and, like, it's all based off
2:43:55
of the major scale. So, like, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
2:44:00
and then the 8 is just the octave of the 1, right?
2:44:03
So they'll say, like, we got a 1, 4, 5,
2:44:07
you know? And it just represents what the chords are.
2:44:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:44:13
Speaker 2: Wow.
2:44:14
Speaker 1: This is where math and stuff gets really interesting. You
2:44:18
go down this rabbit hole forever. Yeah. You could bring
2:44:23
a Terrence Howard back in here.
2:44:25
Speaker 2: And do some weird stuff.
2:44:26
Speaker 1: Honestly, and then you could bring in ancient Egypt and
2:44:29
say this is all vibrations and you could probably translate
2:44:31
hieroglyphs into some of this music theory stuff. It's fucking weird.
2:44:35
Speaker 3: Terrence Howard trying to find the one.
2:44:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:44:37
Speaker 3: Like in a beat. That's hilarious. But the first time
2:44:40
I used a number system was with Auerbach.
2:44:43
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
2:44:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:44:45
Speaker 3: Because Dan, like his house band for a long time
2:44:48
was the remaining members of the Memphis Boys who played
2:44:51
on like Son of a Preacher Man by Dusty Springfield.
2:44:54
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
2:44:55
Speaker 3: And like Suspicious Minds, that kind of thing. Gene Chrisman
2:45:00
was 80 years old playing drums. Bobby Wood, keyboard player,
2:45:04
Billy Sanford. And his second session in Nashville was Pretty
2:45:07
Woman and he wrote the riff. Oh, wow.
2:45:09
Speaker 2: So....
2:45:12
Speaker 3: I walk in, I was early to the session and
2:45:14
they were still, they were finishing up their first session
2:45:16
of the day, which was John Prine. And I walked
2:45:19
in and it was just like, whoa.
2:45:22
Speaker 2: Wow.
2:45:23
Speaker 3: Dan was like, don't Marcus get his ass in here
2:45:25
and play some slide guitar. So they threw a chart
2:45:28
in front of me. I just had to pretend I
2:45:30
knew what was going on. You know, that's where you
2:45:33
got to rely on your ear, but it's conversational too.
2:45:38
Like if you don't really know what's going on, like
2:45:40
you don't want to say much.
2:45:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. That's fascinating, man. I'm scared of music. Not really,
2:45:49
but I'm scared of practicing it. I'm scared of learning
2:45:52
it because I just feel like it would be very rewarding.
2:45:56
Speaker 1: It is.
2:45:56
Speaker 2: And I'd get very obsessed.
2:45:59
Speaker 3: Yeah. Something to it.
2:46:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, listen, man, I'm glad there's people out there
2:46:04
like you doing it.
2:46:05
Speaker 3: Man, I'm just thankful.
2:46:08
Speaker 2: Well, that's the best attitude to have. That's what I think.
2:46:12
I think gratitude is the best attitude to have. Anyone
2:46:15
that's doing what they actually want to do, what's going
2:46:18
to propel you forward and keep it going is probably gratitude.
2:46:23
Just be happy that you're able to do one of
2:46:26
the coolest fucking things in the world for a living.
2:46:29
Kind of amazing.
2:46:32
Speaker 3: And don't be an asshole.
2:46:33
Speaker 2: Don't be an asshole. That's it.
2:46:34
Speaker 3: You'd be surprised how hard it is to follow that one.
2:46:37
Speaker 2: I know, right? A lot of people fail. Well, thank you, Marcus.
2:46:40
Thanks for being here, brother. It was fun. I enjoyed it.
2:46:42
Thanks for having me. What's that?
2:46:43
Speaker 3: Oh. Thanks for having me.
2:46:44
Speaker 2: Anytime. Let's do it again. All right. Bye, everybody.