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Gordie Chiesa Hour on Utah Jazz and NBA Free Agency, Walker Kessler to the Lakers, Where is LeBron going (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 2: the day, My list today. Here's oc with basketball Savann
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  Speaker 2: Gordon Chiaysa on the Sean O'Connell Show. Not Sean O'Connell today,
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  Speaker 2: he's overseas. I'm in for Sean. Bill Riley here with
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  Speaker 2: my longtime friend, confidante and basketball Savon Gordon Siasa wearing
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  Speaker 2: his throwback Orlando Magic basketball T shirt from his days
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  Speaker 2: of being Jacques Vaughan's consultant. Lord, how are you, Bill.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thank you. Also, I'm wearing your shirt
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  Speaker 1: out of Nick Mussevich be signing with the Magic. So
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  Speaker 1: that's all part of that were today.
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  Speaker 2: That's great, that's great. We have so much much to
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  Speaker 2: talk about. I just want to say, I said Gordia
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  Speaker 2: text when I was in Boston, because I know he's
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  Speaker 2: despite the fact that it always blew my mind when
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  Speaker 2: I first got to know he grew up just across
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  Speaker 2: the river from the biggest city in the world, New
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  Speaker 2: York City. He's a Northern Jersey guy. He is a
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  Speaker 2: Union City, Hoboken kind of a guy. And then I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: are you a Yankees or a Mets fan? Gordy, He said, Bill,
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  Speaker 2: I am neither. You can't make this stuff up. I
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  Speaker 2: am a Red Sox fan. And it blew my mind.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea that somebody from Northern Jersey would
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  Speaker 2: root for the Red Sox growing up in an era
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  Speaker 2: where you had the Yankees the Mets. You also had
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of the Giants before they headed west
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  Speaker 2: when you were a very young lad. But you're a
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  Speaker 2: Red Sox fan. So I was at Fenway Park, and
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  Speaker 2: then I went and saw a World Cup match and
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed the great city of Boston in your honor.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it and the recent I was a Red
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  Speaker 1: Sox fan because in my school yard, all these people
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  Speaker 1: who have knoxious Yankee fans knocked you because they always won,
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  Speaker 1: and I was counterculture. I went with the Red Sox
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  Speaker 1: because I used to love call you Screemsky, Yes like him.
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  Speaker 2: His numbers retired in the outfield and right field. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, those Yankee fans that you despise. They were
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  Speaker 2: not very happy. They got swept by the Red Sox
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend very much.
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  Speaker 1: Ye. Let's add to that also, it's a great rivalry,
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  Speaker 1: you know when New York and Boston any sports in
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  Speaker 1: particular we'll say the Knickson Bocker's and also with the Celtics,
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  Speaker 1: and just shows you the power of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. And by the way, the Yankees of
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  Speaker 2: World Soccer, the Germans, they were not very happy on
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  Speaker 2: Monday either. They were less So the Yankees and the
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  Speaker 2: Germans did not have good weekends in Boston.
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  Speaker 1: No, they did not. And add to that is that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Bill, also in the World Cup, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: fan of England, you are, yeah, and since nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 1: six when they won.
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  Speaker 2: It was that because Italy is not playing in it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not at all. No, I was always playing
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  Speaker 1: of England. Why because because of the Beatle, because of
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  Speaker 1: the Beatles Youtles. Yeah, and so nineteen sixty six. It's
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  Speaker 1: hard to imagine, but the Englishmen were more popular for
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  Speaker 1: about two week period during World Cup when they won
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  Speaker 1: in sixty six, and the Beatles used to talk about
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to believe that your country of native origin has
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  Speaker 2: not been in the last three World Cups. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: know the Italians are. They've been become a disgrace at today.
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  Speaker 2: And so in basketball it would be the Canadians. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: why they're never in the final three or so in
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics. Yeah, yeah, it's absolutely crazy about that. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: that aside, Gordon Chiaes is in also not a great
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  Speaker 2: weekend in Boston or extended weekend for Jalen Brown, but
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to that coming up in a minute. Let's
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  Speaker 2: start with the Utah Jazz. Since you and I last spoke,
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  Speaker 2: and that was the last time I filled in for Sean,
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  Speaker 2: the Jazz drafted Darren Peterson, so they've got a franchise
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  Speaker 2: backcourt player now. But since they drafted Darren Peterson, they
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  Speaker 2: have since traded Walker Kessler. So House surprized. Where you
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  Speaker 2: buy that? And what did you make of the hall
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  Speaker 2: they got back for Walker Kessler, who has been a
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  Speaker 2: guy that they kind of saw as a cornerstone piece
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  Speaker 2: since they drafted him a few years ago.
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  Speaker 1: From Walker Kesler's point of view is that he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be here, but however, he felt that the Jazz
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  Speaker 1: didn't give him a proper offer, which I disagreed strongly.
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  Speaker 1: And so what happened was that when the Lakers came
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  Speaker 1: across and they gave him this unbelievable, way too much
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  Speaker 1: money deal, that it really affected the landscape of the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: And from the Jazz point of view, they got a
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  Speaker 1: great haul. They got two protected, two unprotected picks, and
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  Speaker 1: they got also two swaps, and so from their point
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  Speaker 1: of view, it was for the Jazz. If you're Jazz
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  Speaker 1: happy right now, you're disappointed they don't have Walker Kesseler,
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  Speaker 1: who you like as a player. But they did the
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  Speaker 1: right thing. They didn't overpay on him.
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  Speaker 2: To be very fair, I thought the Jazz offer might
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  Speaker 2: have been a little bit high on their end anyway,
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  Speaker 2: but they made it. It was their guy five years
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  Speaker 2: roughly what about one hundred and forty million is what
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  Speaker 2: they offered him. Correct, So for the Lakers to go
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  Speaker 2: above and beyond that, now they've got cap space with
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  Speaker 2: Lebron opting to go someplace else. But what's Walker Kessler
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  Speaker 2: got to become or how much better does he have
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  Speaker 2: to be to justify those kind of numbers in LA.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to be a almost a relatively soon and
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  Speaker 1: all star type center at those numbers and get back
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  Speaker 1: to the Jets point of view. They offered Walker Kessler
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  Speaker 1: the largest contract in history of basketball for a senate
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  Speaker 1: position who never made the All Star team, right, never
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  Speaker 1: made the All Star team. And also just think about
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  Speaker 1: it that the Lakers gave the contract to Austin Reeves.
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  Speaker 1: It's the largest contract in the history of basketball for
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  Speaker 1: an undrafted player, Austin Reeves, right. And so the Lakers
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  Speaker 1: and the Jazz are involved in these two different historical
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  Speaker 1: contracts and we'll see if it works out. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad the Jazz held a balance. You never I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to overpay dramatically on players dramatically now is what
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  Speaker 1: they would have done.
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  Speaker 2: So Walker Kessler is now a Laker. The Jazz have
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  Speaker 2: pickswaps in first round pick swaps in twenty eight and thirty,
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  Speaker 2: first round picks unprotected in thirty one and thirty three.
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  Speaker 2: So the question is what are you doing at center? Well,
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  Speaker 2: they re upp with use of Nurkic two years I
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  Speaker 2: think twenty two million, and then they signed Jackson Hayes
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  Speaker 2: is I'm guessing kind of a backup the use of
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  Speaker 2: Durkic two years and twelve million. So do they feel like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we've got the other pieces we like, we're just going
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  Speaker 2: to kind of piecemeal the center position. Is that what
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  Speaker 2: they're doing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much. And also dig a swing over Jaron
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  Speaker 1: Jackson to play at five right now. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: with Jackson Hayes, his contract is relatively a team friendly bill.
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  Speaker 1: The second year it's a team option, so if the
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  Speaker 1: Jazz don't doesn't work out, they can move on from him.
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  Speaker 1: And also it's very possible he might get traded next week.
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  Speaker 1: And it's so it's not over. The jazz ross is
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  Speaker 1: still in flux. But philosophically, now that's resigning Walker Kessler.
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  Speaker 1: That now allows them for cont de jure to give
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  Speaker 1: the extension. So that's all part of, you know, again
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  Speaker 1: the domino theory of not getting Walker Kesler. Again, everybody
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  Speaker 1: likes Walker Kesler. The numbers really just didn't make sense
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  Speaker 1: for the jazz point of view.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like the Jazz are done, Gordy? Are
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  Speaker 2: there still moves to be made here for the Utah Jazz?
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  Speaker 2: Notable moves to be made here this summer for the
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  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 1: No, they're not done yet.
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  Speaker 2: No, Well, so what's what's the next. Again, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have Danny Ainge's in Austin Age's you know, maybe you do,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe you've talked to them. But just where do
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  Speaker 2: you think you go next? If you're enhancing this roster,
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  Speaker 2: are you adding to the roster? Are you subtracting? And
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  Speaker 2: in trading? What is a free agency? Is it trade?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think this next? For the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the Jazz are going to try to
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  Speaker 1: make one more mid mid mid level type player to
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  Speaker 1: add to them, another wing defensive player. Okay, so example
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  Speaker 1: in d Oh. Absolutely, those guys are hard to get.
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  Speaker 1: I know, if I'm the Jazz, I'm staring at someone
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  Speaker 1: like Lou Dort type people. Okay, say someone like that,
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  Speaker 1: you know so, and that's what the Jazz need. The
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  Speaker 1: Jazz are less in the NBA the last two years
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  Speaker 1: to tie with the Wizards for the two worst teams
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA defensively both overall three point shooting defense,
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  Speaker 1: field go percente's defense, most points allowed, et cetera. If
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  Speaker 1: you fill a blanks in at least turnovers as far
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  Speaker 1: as generated. So the Jazz, if they go forward, if
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  Speaker 1: they should because the Jefs have good players, offensively, they've
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  Speaker 1: got to develop those guys into two way performance, but
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  Speaker 1: also if they're going to add add some defensive ability.
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  Speaker 2: So if the season were to begin this weekend, which
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  Speaker 2: we know it doesn't, You've got Nurkics as your starting center,
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  Speaker 2: Jaron Jackson is your power forward, Lowry Markinen is playing
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  Speaker 2: your three, You've got Darren Peterson as your two guard,
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  Speaker 2: and then Keante George playing the point. Where does that?
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  Speaker 2: Where does that leave aast Bailey is a Bailey? You're
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  Speaker 2: super sub off the bench? What where? What are you
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  Speaker 2: looking at?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a spot starter? If you played Jaron Jackson at
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  Speaker 2: the center and Lowry Markinon at the at the at
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  Speaker 2: the four, do you play Bailey at the three? Where's
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  Speaker 2: Ace Bailey fit into this? Because this was a guy
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  Speaker 2: that you took five overall.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, and he's very good player. He had a
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  Speaker 1: good rookie season and each each month he got better.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna lean a different alternative. Okay, I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: Count de George had one Darren Peterson at two, a
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  Speaker 1: sad three, Larry markin a stretch for and I would
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  Speaker 1: start Jaron Jackson at five.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, But Jackson Okay with that though, because his best
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  Speaker 2: years in Memphis were at the four.
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  Speaker 1: Right, correct. However, the new team, new season, Okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is what we think that it's best for our team.
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  Speaker 1: And again he's the highest paid player in the Jazz,
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  Speaker 1: so he can't say that you're disrespecting me. And then
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  Speaker 1: you use use of Nurkice as the only star six
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  Speaker 1: man as far as coming the game, then you can
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  Speaker 1: slide over again. Jaron Jackson at four, marketing at three. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well ant to that. Remember Isaiah so Darren Pearson, he
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  Speaker 1: was talking about him being a point guard. He's not.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guard and he's verly ultra talented. He's a
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  Speaker 1: knockdown shooter. That guy can get to the basket, and
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  Speaker 1: he's a good defensive player with a strong body. But
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  Speaker 1: he's not a point guard. And that's okay. And so
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  Speaker 1: what you want to do is play him at two
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  Speaker 1: and use as Belly as the two guard, small forward
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  Speaker 1: slash wing and then the backup point guard Besia Kalia,
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  Speaker 1: who's improved also each past few month is.
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  Speaker 2: Canty George though technically a point guard either, I mean
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  Speaker 2: he's I mean, if if we're just saying if Darren
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  Speaker 2: Peterson's a guard. I would kind of say, can't a
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  Speaker 2: George in his heart of hearts is a guard too.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guard to it's said to this heage last year,
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  Speaker 1: six point four sister per game.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, he's grown into that role. I still think his
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  Speaker 2: DNA is guard or combo guard.
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  Speaker 1: Another viewpoint with Darren Pearson, because it's a part of
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  Speaker 1: the discussion, is that you never want a young player
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  Speaker 1: that's a knockdown shooter when his feet are set you
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  Speaker 1: feel good about it to be have to be worrying
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  Speaker 1: about concerned about entering the ball in the offense all
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  Speaker 1: the time, the starter rhythm as far as the half
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  Speaker 1: court set. And that's why I'd lean towards keeping Peterson
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  Speaker 1: at two. And Kante is this fourth year right now
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA, so he's ready, he should be ready
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  Speaker 1: to roll. And uh Cante has developed into point guard
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  Speaker 1: skills maybe point guards and mentality Bill not a position
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  Speaker 1: and you were winning point guards in the NBA. They're
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  Speaker 1: able to score the ball on the second side of
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  Speaker 1: the floor, but initially they they get they start the
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  Speaker 1: offense where they ignited that first entry pass on perimeter
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  Speaker 1: or in the in the mid post that that that
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  Speaker 1: creates a chain reaction of this, how we're going to
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  Speaker 1: score on this possession, then off that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: play organized av lib And that's what Count de George
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  Speaker 1: has improved on. And Darren Peterson Bill, you're nineteen years
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  Speaker 1: old entering the NBA. You can't believe some of the
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  Speaker 1: backup people how good they are. What's this guy on
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  Speaker 1: a on the on the trot raptor is like what what?
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  Speaker 1: What's his name? Who's this guy? It's it's really humbling,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: So it feels like the jazz based on what you're
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  Speaker 2: saying right there, have a have a top eight. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like a top eight. So you got you got Jackson,
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  Speaker 2: Markin and Peterson, George Bailey, Nurkice call your hayes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in a sense of ball.
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  Speaker 2: Is he in your top eight? Yeah he is? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: yeah he can? You think he's played his way there?
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel good about Bryce sensible? If he's in
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  Speaker 2: your top eight?
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  Speaker 1: Off off the bench. Now as far as him becoming
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  Speaker 1: the game and making shots, he can he can shoot.
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  Speaker 2: So so if they're adding a three and D guy
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  Speaker 2: like a loot door, tight right, he would be in
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  Speaker 2: that top eight absolutely, and that brought that backs Bryce.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like, if you're going to be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better in the in the Western Conference, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that bright sense of balls in my top eight,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes.
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  Speaker 1: Sense, fair analogy. It's all based on who's on the
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  Speaker 1: floor at that time, what you need.
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  Speaker 2: Correct correct, So like them, how much better have the
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  Speaker 2: Jazz gotten this We'll even say end of the year
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  Speaker 2: till now? Does that make sense? Kind of from the
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  Speaker 2: Jaron Jackson edition till now? Are they a playoff team
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  Speaker 2: right now? In your mind? Top top eight, not play
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  Speaker 2: in team, playoff team?
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  Speaker 1: They are seven and eight non in ten.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so they're in that seven to ten ring.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Remember now, also, team's gonna drop right now. I
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  Speaker 1: mean the Jazz. It's so interesting with the Jazz. Even
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  Speaker 1: last year when they weren't totally playing to win, be competitive,
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  Speaker 1: they still in some games when everyone was there, they
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  Speaker 1: were highly competitive. And so during that game and so
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz starting lineup is it's it's good. Have they
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  Speaker 1: have good players? Offensive players? Now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's my next question for you, is they've
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  Speaker 2: they've got They were among the worst teams maybe the
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  Speaker 2: worst at times last year defensively in the league. How
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  Speaker 2: much better defensively do you think they are now? Slightly better?
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  Speaker 2: Incrementally better, quite a bit better. I mean Jared Jackson
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  Speaker 2: can be a good defender, yes he can. Maybe Darren
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  Speaker 2: Peterson could be a good defender. I think he's got
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  Speaker 2: the DNA for it. We'll see. It's always tough as
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  Speaker 2: as a rookie to come in and be a great defender.
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  Speaker 2: You're learning so much, But how much better are they defensively?
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  Speaker 1: Slightly?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: But Bill, the growth will be from internally within so
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  Speaker 1: that I'm sure there'll be a high level of accountability. Bill,
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  Speaker 1: in every I mean sense for decades, in every team practice,
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  Speaker 1: this should be an element of hurt feelings because Bill,
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  Speaker 1: without hurt feelings and team practice during the game, you
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  Speaker 1: get mixed results. So I can assure you and yesteryear
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  Speaker 1: they're in just practices, there's a lot of hurt feelings.
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  Speaker 1: If you get my drift built, yes I do, and
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  Speaker 1: it paid off during the game. And that's what you
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  Speaker 1: want to do. Accountability in other words, what is your
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  Speaker 1: assignment on this situation? And then you drill it and
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  Speaker 1: you talk about it, you do it at speed to
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  Speaker 1: show it and then live as far as any intensity
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  Speaker 1: of it, and then if they don't do it, then
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  Speaker 1: there's hurt feelings where that player usually should be taken
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  Speaker 1: out of the game, not forever. I'm just saying at
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  Speaker 1: that moment because you're not doing what we went over
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  Speaker 1: seventeen thousand times before this, and then it's a way,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a rude awakening, but that's what you
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  Speaker 1: need to do. Bill. During the playoffs, you saw the intensity.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like Darren Vasso, Stefan Castle, they are bouncing
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  Speaker 1: off off the Nikobocker, oppositive players. You see how they
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  Speaker 1: tried to slow those guys down and Jellen Brunson was
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  Speaker 1: the opposite who's bouncing off them and scoring. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what you need to do to get to a certain level.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to play physical defense with technique and tenacity,
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  Speaker 1: but without overly fouling.
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  Speaker 2: That is the pride of Union City, New Jersey. Gordon Chiaza,
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a little bit about other actions in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA coming up. There's been a lot of movement
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  Speaker 2: in free agency the last couple of days, some surprise
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  Speaker 2: moves as well. There's a big name free agent who's
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  Speaker 2: out there still gonna try to pick it. He says
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  Speaker 2: he just wants to win. Now, we'll find out soon
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  Speaker 2: about that. By the way, Gordy's segment brought to you
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  Speaker 1: Lebron James Bill.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: So Lebron James is one of the all time freaks
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of nature. We knew this from his playing style. Second
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: greatest player of all time from a longevity standpoint, the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: greatest player of all time probably only Kareem Abdul Jabbar
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: matches his productivity and his age. But he's still chugging
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: along heading into year number one twenty four. This year
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: he wants to get to twenty five. He's opted out
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: playing for the Lakers. He doesn't want to play there.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: He did take his time though, to make sure Broni
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: was taken care of contractually. So he's got his pick, Gordy,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: and it's not going to be about money. The guy's
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: worth probably a billion dollars when it comes to sowary
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and endorsements and everything else. So he's going to pick
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: a spot where one he enjoys to play, but two
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: he has a chance to still win a little bit.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: So we're for Golden State Warriors. Maybe it's yet another
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: return to Cleveland. Miami is a possibility for him. I've
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: even heard san Antonio maybe is a possibility. I don't know.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: You tell me, give me a couple of places that
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: might fit well for Lebron James that are.
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  Speaker 1: Legit Cleveland, Okay, the best one. So they go James Harden,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Donvin Mitchell, Lebron James, Evan Mobley and Jared Allen. That's
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a good lineup. Yeah, that is a good lineup, absolutely,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: And so that's that's a winning and off the bench,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Max Schruz. And so they have some good players there
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and that makes sense for Lebron.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So would he be okay playing with James Harden because
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: James Harden doesn't seem to be a guy that plays
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the type of basketball that Lebron James likes to play.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Correct. Absolutely, So, now these guys at James Harden being
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: thirty seven years old, Lebron will turn forty two on
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: December thirtieth, is that they'll have some moment of Jesus
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: coming together and this is our last hurrah as far
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: as trying to be trying to win the whole thing.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: It is hardened opting out of that deal with the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Cavaliers about freeing up some space for a guy like
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Lebron to come in.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So the way again the rhythm of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: as far as the procedure, which again the contracts are
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: all guaranteed, as far as trades, et cetera. On July sixth,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: so he opted out James Harden. He's gonna get a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: two year deal. We'll see how much he turned down.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Forty two point three million turned it down opt out,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So now he's a free agent. Technically, I'm sure there's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: some sort of deal before this is going to happen.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: If they signed Lebron, then it'll be Lebron first. Lebron
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I'm disassuming has to take a pay cut. It's all relative.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: The middle of exception right now is fifteen point one million. Again,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm disassuming that he's okay with that between fifteen to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: twenty million to get this last hurrah with with the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Cavaliers.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: So Cleveland's first, that's your that's your most likely destination.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Correct?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: What what is the second most likely destination for Lebron.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you would have Steph Curry, Yeah, his friend.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You would have Draymond Green who opped out again, who
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: opted out too?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, maybe Jimmy Butler depending on his health. Correct, So
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: what's the likelihood of that happening?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's possible. Absolutely. Again, Also is that it's a short
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: plane ride from the Bay Area down to LA on
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: off days to say at least, I mean, it's all
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: part of it. So the question is, how can how
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: can we do the best weekend as far as attempting
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  Speaker 1: to win, especially when older guys remember when older team
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you don't practice as much, which makes it very appealing
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: to the to the players.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So give me a crazy option. I just I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: san Antonio and you kind of rolled your eyes and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: made a made a little face there. But I'm just
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking kind of out of the box crazy. He
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: could go be the old head on a young team
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  Speaker 2: that's very close to winning a championship. I don't know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: just something out there, but you tell me, give me
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: a not one or two, but maybe an out there
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: but still a possible option for Lebron.
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  Speaker 1: Knicks. Okay, Knicks, Yeah, New York showtime, the whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: going to New York. They can fit him in. They
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: can fit him in, well.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: They lost Mitchel Robinson.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they can fit him in as far as that,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and it could make sense as far as playing in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: New York again. The Knickerbockers, the way they're structured is
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that with help jaeling brunts. It sounds so crazy, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they wanted which is commendable, but it took every ounce
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: of jail and brunts and to win it for them.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Even though we all love an andob tremendous two way player,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the Knicks is so gritty. They actually they need scoring.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: They need people to can score the ball to help
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: them and Lebron again taking outside the box, could he
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: could help them as far as scoring the ball and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: give and also give a Jellen Brunson a mental health
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: break during the game.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not the half to carry so much of the
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  Speaker 2: load very much.
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  Speaker 1: And Brunson did it on that six foot two body.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: There's some heavy lifting and it's very similar to Lebron.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: James is this quickly about Lebron just to make a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: point about his brilliance right now. He played for the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Cavaliers eleven years, Lakers for eight years, and for the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Heat for four years. His Lebron's eight year tenure with
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the Lakers, he averaged twenty nine point nine points per game,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: fifty one point three field goal percentage, thirty five point
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: six from threes, seventy three percent from the foul line,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: seven point three rebounds, seven point three assist and one
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: point two steals I mean, and one championship in the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Bubble in twenty twenty. So he had really a brilliant
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: career for eight years. They wanted more championship because in
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: LA it's all based on titles, and he delivered one
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: for them and he was great there.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: He never felt like though he was accepted by the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Laker fans the same way others were. He never felt
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like to me that the Lakers fully embraced him for
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, maybe because he traveled all over the place.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, a guy like Kaam Abdul Jabbar didn't begin
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: his career there. But I'm just did it ever feel
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: like he was one of those beloved Lakers?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: No, no answers. No, it was not that the that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the coaches loved his game, yes, but the fans again,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the fans, they it's like almost like a home grown mentality,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: even though it's la. It's transient. I get it. But
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: as far as see, when Jabbar went there, it was
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: only four years in the NBA. With Lebron, he was
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: already eleven years and eleven years already and then he
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and then he went and then he went from Caves
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to the Heat then to the Lakers. So it's a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: whole different mentality. And but Lebron's going someplace and it
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: should be very interesting. It does affect the landscape in
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the NBA, of course it does. It does.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Another thing that impacts the landscape of the NBA is
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the Jaylen Brown deal. I want to take a time out, though,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: we'll come back on the other side. I've been trying
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to wrap my head around this Gordy and figure out
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: what it's okay that you don't like a player, don't
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: see him as a long term fit. But it didn't
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: feel like the Celtics got a lot back for what
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: they gave up. Anyway, we'll talk about that. Gordion's got
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• 25:57
  Speaker 2: We're nine weeks from today, Gordy. Sixty three days from
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• 26:13
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• 26:16
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• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Much like the Jazz, the Mammoth have been active in
• 26:22
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• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to Adrian coming up in just a bit as well.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: So it makes sense of this Jalen Brown trade for me, Gordy.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I just it's not that they dealt him, because it
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: just didn't feel for the last while like it was
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it was a good fit together, but they didn't. It
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: didn't feel like they got enough back for a guy
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that's an All Star and arguably a top what twelve player,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: fifteen player for sure in the league. Yes, to get
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: an aging Paul George, couple of first round picks, which
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I guess are great, but where are those gonna be
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and then some second round picks. It just it felt
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: like the Celtics got either desperate or they needed to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: get rid of him. I don't know makes sense of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: this Jalen Brown deal to Philadelphia.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: The first year is Jaalen Brown, Duelis Bill. He made
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: second tier NBA last year, right, second team All.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: The NBA, not to the All Star and this is
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: second team All, which tells you he's voted as one
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: of the top ten players in the league very much.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So here's a second tier of NBA Jelen Brown, Kawhi
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Leonard who also got traded, Donovan Mitchell, former jazz Man
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, and Jalen Brunson. That's the second team or NBA, right,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So two of those guys got traded, all right, with
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Jellen Brown they have for ten years the Celtics. The
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: last two years without jail and Brown playing with different injuries.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Is that the Celts are thirty wins and only six losses.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: So they were able to win without him, and so
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that was part of the equation. He said for ten years,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he's a major, high level talent. Again, I'm just assuming
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that both parties were there. Welcome out Brad Stevens, the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: tremendous former head coach and now really the very smart
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: general manager, decided to move them on. Now Bill's alluding
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to they got back in return for Paul George, who
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is aging. Paul George aged thirty five. He was once
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: really an elite two way player. Now he's a situational
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: type where he's inconsistent some of its age, some of
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: its focus, some of his teammates. So he goes to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the Celtics. The Celtics also acquired two first round picks
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and two future second round picks. So that was the deal.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Now for the seventy six is like anything else, like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: any walk of life, when you go to a situation
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that's new, whether it was right or wrong your previous team,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you get a new chance, a new chance to watch
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the showcase of what you do. So Philadelphia, I believe
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: won this deal. Where now Philadelphia terse Maxew's tremendous player.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: All right, they go with him. They go also now
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: with Jellen Brown. They go with vij Edgecomb at two,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: guard Brown at three, Dean Wade from ken Bill formerly
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Kansas State undrafted god they just signed played for the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Cavaliers and they go with a question walk with Joel Embiid,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: who's been hurt. So a lot of the Sixers playoff
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: not success because Embiid has been really very rarely been
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: there the last three years.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So Boston now has Derek White is their point guard.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I like Derek White, He's a really good player. Baylor
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Shireman is your shooting guard. Then you've got Paul George
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: on the wing, Jason Tatum. They added Mitchell Robinson in
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: free agency. I don't hate that. Robinson is a good,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: tough reboundary. He's not going to score a bunch for you.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Then you bring Prichard and Howlser and Cada, the former
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Utah State guy off the bench. They signed Mike Conley,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I think to a one year d Yes, not bad.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: He's your backup, backup point guard. He's got some experience.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: But I kind of feel like the Celtics were a
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: title contender two years ago and now I just kind
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of feel like they're middle of the pack in the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: East with this deal. Is there another deal out there
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: for Boston maybe we're not seeing yet. Is there another addition? Yes,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: there is there something there that we're not seeing that
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Brad Brad Stevens. He just seems like too smart a
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: basketball guy to make a deal getting rid of a
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: second team All NBA guy and not really bringing enough
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: back in return.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Very much. They have to improve their bench. So the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: answer is yes, they have another deal in them right now.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: So it Celts. Last year they won fifty six games,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: so they really they had a They had a tremendous season.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Now Tatum didn't play till the end. And so now
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Tatum's coming back, we know it's an All NBA performer. Also,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: so can question is always is can Tatum come back
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: to his elite level? That's the question. Nobody knows. TAM's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: going to say yes I can, and hopefully his career
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: arc that he will. And so this huge gamble. But
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: they felt that the locker room was part of the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: as they go forward, they wanted to make it more together.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: This again, I'm just assuming this because that's why they
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: made the trade. Derek White two way player should have
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: blossed even more without without Tatum being there. Now, again,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: for the Sixers point of view, they think that they
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: can catch the Detroit Pistons, they can catch the Nicobocker's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: World champions, and they can really also go after the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Raptors and the Hawks. So it's interesting the East is
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: not as strong as the West. The West is loaded, however,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the East has a lot more balance as far as
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: no one knows. Who could be the winner in the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: East right now.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Jason Tatum's twenty eight years old. He should be right
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: entering his prime right now. So if you get him back,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: he is a top five, top seven player in the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: NBA when he's healthy.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Agreed very much. And he's a two way player. They
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: can guardy and rebound, he can pass. They he creates
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: double teams where they have to play and when he
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: gets to the basket, and that creates passing angles for
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: lesser players to make open shots. And that would be
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: right now, Peyton Pritchard, who's really a good knockdown shooters.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Peyton Pritchell is really good on a low shot clock
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: where they double tim on perimeter. Used to be Jellen Brown,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: now now it's Jason Tatum again, and Pritchet can make
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that opened the rainbow shot from top of the circle
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: or in the corner right now. Again, it's a risk,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like always on paper, it seems really good for all
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: these different teams, but the question is how do they
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: fit into the group, what's the chemistry? And it's so
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: important professional sports about the team as a unit playing
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: in togetherness. And that was the Nickelbocker's and that was
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the Spurs until the final two or three games of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: their season.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: So has the hierarchy in the East or West based
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: on the first day or two if free agency changed
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: for you at all? Don't think the Spurs are the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: best team in the West. Are the Knicks the best
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: team in the East? Or did they just catch fire
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: at the right time? Courting and especially taking Mitchell Robinson away.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson was a big part of what they did
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: in that front court very much.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitchell Robinson, the offensive rebound in the West. Right now,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards the Thunder.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're gonna you're gonna kind of tilt back
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: towards the thunder over Yeah, they're experience. What's tilting you
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  Speaker 2: back that way? They're draft you know, do you tell
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: me what why the Thunder and not the Spurs?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the first thing I started speaking is that
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: is that that Game seven, I'm sure they regret the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: thunder at home, how they played it, and so I'm
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: sure they regret it, you know, I'm so. I'm sure
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that that would be on their mind. So every time
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: next year when they play against the Spurs, and especially
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, they're going to have that extra focus
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to try to to try to uh take a knock
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: them out right now, but again with Shows Alexander, they
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: have somebody, no matter what happens, can score the ball
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: for them, and that is a huge factor. Now the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: question is can theyve re signed Hartenstein? They did, can
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: he slow down somewhat when beyond the.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Well they also added in the draft the big guy
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Mara from Michigan.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Very much so they went with some length, Yes they did.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And as the spaniard for Michigan, for Michigan, former USULA player,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: he's got length also. It sounds so weird saying it,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but these if your big guys hustle and play hard,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: it's uplifting.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, these millionaires, these guys maybe ten to fifteen
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to twenty and thirty million a year if they if
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: they hustle and play.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It again, it sounds so trivial and so in Adey
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Meyer from from us Michigan, the NCAA champions, he plays hard,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: he's seven foot three, he's long, He's a tremendous rim
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: roller to the basket. And with Shaye being there also
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: remember with the under Jalen Williams was an All NBA player,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: really didn't play much less year injury.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: You're still like the thunder I do and keeping Hartenstein maybe,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I just I don't think Chet's that guy defensively, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: they wanted to match him up with when Binyama. That's
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: not his game. But if you've got Mara, you've got
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Hart and Stein. So the Spurs number two then for
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you in the West.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a close number. Yeah, the answer is yes,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: but it's a close number one, and you can you
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: can fluctuate back and forth one and two. They're both
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: really to both really smart teams. As far as how
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: they drafted, again the Spurs, what they showed a top
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of the Apex versus the Knickerbockers, that Inex experience does matter,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: it absolutely does, and that when Beyond is only twenty
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: two years young, emphasize young. Stephen Cassel is only twenty
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: one years old. And Dylan Harper, are you Kidney Bill,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that guy's twenty years old. The second pick of the draft.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go jazz basketball. There's a question philosophically, situationally,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: can Darren Peterson and Ace Bailey, who are too young
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: talents for the Jazz for the next ten years, if
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: they're in Utah, can he outplay the young people of
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the Spurs on perimeter?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Well, those guys are only a couple of years bay
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Bailey is nineteen going on twenty, Peterson's nineteen, nineteen nineteen, Yeah,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and you're talking about Harper's twenty twenty and Castle's twenty one.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. So again, it's who you play against. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. It's so exciting when I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: say outplay, I mean besides scoring the ball, can you guard?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Can you defend? Can you make baskets on a low
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: shot clock on the road? And so again, the question
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: is always is, and it's the great unknown about young players.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: When do I get that mental toughness where I can
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: combine my individual talents and my ball skills as a
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: basketball player with acity of doing it consistently within what
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the team frame, within the teamwork.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And that's that equals what I just describe. Jaellen Brunson
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: got a text question here. Gordy First, it says, Bill,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: good to have you back on the show every now
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and again. Thank you. Texter thirty one to forty says,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like a big seven foot of taller is
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: very important to today's NBA. With wen Bin Yama, here
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: are the Jazz watching some up and coming bigs in
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: college with all their future draft capital.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, Nancer's absolutely.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: They just got rid of a young big who wanted
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of money. I mean, Walker Kessler. That's ideally
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: what they want or need? Correct?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Correct?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, is is Kessler a guy in your mind
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that matches up as well as anybody can with a
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: wen Bin Yama? Defensively, yeah, at the rim, but not
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: on prim either way.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Wenby plays outside a lot and that take away build
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: that bizarre spin dribble he always gets in trouble. It
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: makes that spin dribble by the nail defender middle of
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the floor gets in trouble when Wenby gets those long
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: strike he's impossibly reguard. But at the rim against when
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: it's big on big, and that's what happened, is that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: whenever you keep again situationally, most times you should keep
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: big on big. So when Byamba rolls to the basket,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: are you kid? You're exing somebody six foot seven to
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: take him on? Is no way. It's bizarre that people
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: try to switch switch against Wen Beyonmba. You gotta keep
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: big on big much as you can.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: So what's the ideal defense for a guy like Wen
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: bin Yama? Is it big on big and getting and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: just having your big come out to the elbow and
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: say we're gonna let you shoot the twenty two footer.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: But if you try to drive, I'm here to meet you.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Because he seems to feel very comfortable, not wanting. In fact,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I think he settles a lot more than he probably should,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: very much. Absolutely so the yump, I would keep big
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: on big. However, I would keep that we call it
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: keep the nail defended there as far as we call
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: it heavy nail, where he's gonna stay there. So Remban
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: tries to drive middle, he's there for support hell, But
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: when he grows to the basket, when he's involved in
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: a pick and roll, is that it's so important to
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: try to match up with his size and go out
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: his body as much as you can. So when we
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: stay big on big, we mean put your jersey numbers
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: on Wen beyond his numbers also versus what hey, I'm
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: seven foot one, he's seven foot three.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I can match up with him. It doesn't work that way.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: You've got to be on him and press up on
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: him and keep your numbers on him. Most players don't
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like they feel uncomfortable when selling Bill is breathing on
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: your neck and on your numbers.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Like it? All right? Real quick, coming up Monday, we
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: may have potentially the number two versus the number three
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: draft picks going head to head right outside of my
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: office at the John M. Huntsman Center. Jazz or Salt
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Lake Summer League. I guess we can't call it Jazz
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake Summer League. We might have a Darren Peterson
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and Cam Booser match up on Monday night, very.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Much, absolutely so that's they're builds alluding to that game
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: at a Monday night as a five o'clock start. The
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: first game is going to be on Saturday, July fourth,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: one o'clock and three o'clock, right, and then we can
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: celebrate build people like yourself, Bill can celebrate eating those
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: hot dogs and stuff you know, later on in the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: after later on at night. All right, So Monday Night's game,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Cam Booser, this guy the third pick of the draft,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: has a winning game. That's the way he plays. He's
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: almost like a point forward, all right. Even though he's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: big and tough inside, he's he's outside making passes and plays.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And Darren Peterson, if you like Ray Allen the way
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: he shoots, that's Darren peas as far as his footwork.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And so it's going to be an interesting classic add
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to that bill. So later on when it Jazz Some
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: League is over, meaning here in Huntsman Center, is that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the old go to Vegas. All the teams. The first
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: game on NBA TV bill is the Wizards versus the Jazz.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Aj debotsa versus Darren Peterson again, the very first game
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: to showcase the young talent. The NBA has so many young,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: tremendous talents. The question is always is can you win
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: at a high level.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see. So keep an eye
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: on that Monday night. Maybe a Cam Boozer versus Darren
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Peterson matchup at the Jazz Summer League up the John M.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Huntsman Center, by the way, since they're doing the renovations
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: down town of the Delta Center. For I think this
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: is the last summer of renovations for them. They'll have
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: it back down there. But you can go up to
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the Huntsman Center, watch the summer League and enjoy some
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: basketball up where the Utes play and where my day
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: to day office is. All right, it would not be
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: a Gordon Chiaza appearance with me or on ESPN seven
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: hundred if we did not have our list of the day. Gordy,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: please tell me and the listeners what our list of
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the day is today?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: All right, Bill? The list of today is in honor
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: of Lebron and the Lakers and the Jazz Lakers situation
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: as far as trading, etc. I thought about this. The
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Lakers the old time, the all time greatest Laker players
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: both Minneapolis and in LA.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: So this is a Baker's dozen, the top thirteen best
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Lakers players of all time.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Correct top thirteen. Laker franchise relocated from Minneapolis, the City
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of the Lakes, Bill to Los Angeles for the nineteen
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: sixty sixty one season. The Lakers have won the second
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: most NBA championships at seventeen. The Boston Celtics is number
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: one at eighteen. Crowns the Lakers. The Lakers won five
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in Minneapolis and twelve titles in the City of Angels.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: The list below is based on the player's body of
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: accomplishments while only wearing the purple and gold uniform, so
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: only as a Laker. Here we go. It's like who's who?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Number thirteen all time. I deplivered to coach him with
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the Memphis Grizzlies, pal Garsol was perfect sidekick to Kobe
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: where he had a dominant game without a dominant personality.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: He won two titles, number twelve all time. Michael Cooper,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: also the Hall of Fame, won five championships. He was
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: a generational on ball defender. And remember Bill, Remember that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that Cooper a loop passed from Magic Johnson on a
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: low pass and transition to Michael Cooper. Number eleven, yester
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: year Hall of Famer with the Minneapolis Lakers. The first
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: ever big man NBA basketball George Miken, number ten, Lefty Southpore.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: He's in a Hall of Fame. One championship, six foot one,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: knockdown shooter. Gail Gerrich.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: He was also a jazz Man, Yes he was. He
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: was a guy end of his career.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, he was the guy though that the Jazz traded
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: traded to get from the as far as expansion, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they traded away the rights eventually four years later to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: get Magic Johnson. That's how that's how crazy he was
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: back in nineteen seventy five at number nine. He only
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: played for the Lakers for four years. He was impactful,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: one of the world's greatest players of all time on
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: other teams. Wilt Chamberlain Hall of Famer, won championship.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I still maintained the biggest freak of nature of all time.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: There's Wilt Chamberlain records, and then there's the rest of
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the NBA records.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: A great, absolutely number eight all time. Whenever I talked
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: about trying to guard him, it was impossible. He had
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the all time greatest ever spend dribble going baseline James Worthy,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Number eight all time, Hall of Fame, as always, three
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: NBA titles, a number seven. He never won NBA title.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: He was Michael Jordan and Julius Irving. Before there were
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: those guys. His name was Elgin Baylor. He's in a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He averaged twenty seven points a game
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: for his career. Once he went airborne, he was absolutely
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: impossible to guard. Number six. He won three titles with
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the Lakers. We all see him on television all the time.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neill six, number six, Yeah, number five all time.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: One of the greatest ever players in basketball. He won
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: one title. He invented like the mid range jump shot.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Jerry West, Jerry West. The logo is number five on
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: your list. I know it's so many great players, you
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: can't make it at number four. He just left the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Lakers about two days ago. He played for the Lakers
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: for eight years. He won one championship. He carried the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: franchise for eight years. He's still going strong. I'm saying
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: this guy, Lebron James is the fourth greatest ever Laker
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: player at number three. Hall of Famer sky Hook won
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: five championships. He played at a high level till age
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: forty one. We're talking about Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who might
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: be the most forgotten ever great player, not ever talked
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to about anymore. All right, number two. He did it
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: with a smile. He made his teammates better. He played
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: in the NBA for thirteen seasons. There was nobody ever
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: like him. Magic Johnson and the number one greatest Laker
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: of all time. He played for twenty years for the Lakers.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Five NBA titles, including so many clutch performances in playoff games.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: We all loved him. He left his way too soon.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: On Earth. We're talking about Kobe Bryant. Thus Bill. That's
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: my list of the day. Now future Hall of famers
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: should be as far as if Hall of Famer, but
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: also on this list will be eventually very shortly will
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: be Luka Dantec.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have swapped Lebron and Jerry West only
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: because Jerry spent his entire career with the Lakers, and
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: while the only one one title same as Lebron, they
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: were runner up so many times to the Celtics and others,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and he was the logo and he also helped construct
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: some of those great Laker teams very much the scene.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: So I would probably have just swapped he and Lebron
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: only because Lebron didn't spend as much time in LA
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and they had about the same amount of success very much.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I took Kobe over Magic Johnson
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: was longevity. Ye Kobe played for the twenty years, Magic
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: played for thirteen years. It wasn't lack of both those
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: guys as far as performance level. It was one of
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the greatest of all time. But Lakers again, there are
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: proud franchise. Bill, there's so many Laker fans living here
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: from socol and Salt Lake City.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that part of it's a shame, but the rest
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: of that list was great. Sorry, Laker fans. There's a
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: lot of you here.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And that's that's good for that's good for ESPN Radio
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: seven hundred as.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Long as they're listening. Absolutely, Gordy, you have a great
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: July fourth, peace out, peace out. Gordy jays in here
• 48:02
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