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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Underwater Menace (animated 3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None hamster with a blump pen knife
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  for. Doing quicker, quicker, quicker.
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  Welcome back to our Hamster with a Blump Pen Knife, the Doctor
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  Who Commentary Podcast. Now last week we yesterday we
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  didn't have much commentary but we had a lot of fun.
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  Today I'm going to open up instantly with a question which
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  will stimulate your brain cells. How exciting.
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  And deliver conversation. I'm here still with the
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  magnificent Dylan Reece. Hello.
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  I want to talk to you about over the top Doctor Who villains.
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  OK, please. Because I feel that Professor
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  Zarov ranks. Yeah.
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  And I'd like you now, please, to name your top five like madly
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  melodramatic villains or whether you like that sort.
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  Of thing. I do like that sort of thing.
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  Soul deed. Oh, of.
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  Course. This isn't This is a top five,
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  but I don't know whether I've got the Order Alan Cumming in
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  the new series in The Witch Finders.
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  My Nubian Prince. Oh, who else?
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  The Ronnie the. Ronnie is sort of there.
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  Go to 17, Season 17. You'll be all right.
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  Yeah, I know. But the Ronnie's there.
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  But I'm also thinking both John SIM and Sasha Dewan.
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  If we're talking about Doctor Who actors, John Levine, but.
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  He's not villain, unless you can't in a Yeti.
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  Scene. Are you sure?
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  He's a villain in real life. If you're a paedophile, he's a
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  villain. Who else I'm?
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  I mean the the the list is endless, but I can only think of
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  four for some reason. The trouble is in a new series.
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  Oh, so, Sarah Diplos. Oh, agree.
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  Yeah, but there's many more. The the new series has got a few
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  I think. But it's less so, I think.
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  I think the acting has become a bit more, a bit more.
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  A bit more nuanced, but I feel like they go the other way.
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  Go on. Like, too boring.
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  Like, you know, what's his face in the power of 3?
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  He's given it such. He's given it such an earnest
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  performance that it's almost laughable.
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  And I didn't. Want to be there, Of course.
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  Of. Course well.
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  Look at Keely Hawes in Time Heist.
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  That should have been madly over the top.
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  Yeah, but she's playing it a little I.
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  Don't remember a thing about. It I know it's a cliche, but
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  Keely Hawes as the Ronnie should have happened by now.
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  I know what Jesus every single middle-aged woman.
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  That's cast. Everybody goes at the Ronnie,
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  yeah. So let's just make it the Ronnie
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  and get it over and done with. We're never.
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  Going to see the Ronnie. There's a reason big finished
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  own user. It's because the estate of Pip
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  and Jane Baker, and indeed Pip and Jane Baker didn't really
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  like the Ronnie being used. Then there was a brief moment
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  when it just Pip was live, that they used the rally twice, and
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  then when Pip died and the estate reverted to their kids or
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  whoever it was. Oh, I didn't know that because.
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  Jane didn't want them being. Oh, that's my understanding,
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  anyway. She.
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  Definitely ruled the roost. She did, but they they
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  definitely. But they let bill Bags use her.
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  What for? Rani Reaps?
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  The world, the whirlwind. Have you heard that?
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  I've heard it several times. I need to do it.
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  Have you? Covered it.
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  No I need to do it at some point.
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  That fellow player in the tetrap is incredible.
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  I need I I I do need to do that at some point, so maybe you'll
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  get the invite. I'll play.
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  Yeah. I'm always there for you.
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  All right. Anything you invite me to do,
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  I'm there. Maybe we could do a Rani special
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  with a two big Finnish outings and that.
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  OK, we're there. I don't.
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  Know whether the universe can handle that.
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  And how does Zaraf rank? He's fairly high up there, but I
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  don't think he's quite as over top as people think he is.
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  I think this is quite an over the top story and I think the
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  priest, the camp priest is more over the top.
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  Zaraf is he's just the famous cliffhanger that I think,
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  really. I think this episode is to blame
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  for people thinking he's madly over the top, but one because of
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  the Cliffhanger 2. This is where he's sort of
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  running around going, ha ha ha, you know.
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  And the clips that when you got clips from classic Doctor Who in
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  the 90s and they wanted to show how shit it was like be it
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  resistance is useless or 30 years in the tardo so like it
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  would always be from this episode.
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  The cliffhanger. The cliffhanger and also Bah
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  Doctor does that seem? He blows.
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  He blows the pepper in his face. Yeah, exactly.
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  Order and all of that. So that that's headed to show up
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  a lot, and while it is indicative of the story, I think
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  it's probably the most over the top it gets.
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  And then you throw in the dance of the fish people.
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  I mean, I've never made any secret of the fact that I have a
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  bit of a ponge on for camp over the top Doctor Who now you've
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  recently twice I believe podcasted about dragon fire.
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  Which is? Quite camp and over the top.
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  I I do like camp over the top Doctor Who, but I like it in
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  classic Doctor Who. I think it the the new series
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  very rarely pulls it off. That doesn't mean that it can't.
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  I just think a lot of the time it comes across as silly do.
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  You know, the one that I always go to is Voyage of the Damned
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  and that guy at the end. Voyage of the Damned is what
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  happens if you give gay men too much power.
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  Why are you looking? At me when you say that.
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  Not not. Have no power at all.
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  It's it's the most. I mean, it's great fun, but it's
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  the most self indulgent camp bit of madness that's ever been
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  aired in the name of Doctor Who. It will be being released in six
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  months time. I can actually, in fact, reveal
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  The Voyage of the Damned 1, my Christmas specials, straight,
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  but I think it's just because of its mass appeal.
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  Yeah, rather than. It's got a little known star of
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  neighbours in called Kylie Minogue.
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  Who Kylie Minogue, but the lesser famous sister of Dani
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  Minogue? How of X Factor?
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  And QVCS, Dani Minogue. What on that note shall we skip
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  into Part 3? Let's do it.
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  OK, so this is. This is the most seen bit of
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  Underwater Venice episode 3, because it has it's the one
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  that's existed for the longest amount of time.
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  I. Thought you meant the title
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  seat? No.
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  You mean the episode? Yes.
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  Yeah, this was on the Lost in Time box set.
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  It was on that, but it was first released on VHS in the The
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  Missing Years, so I I feel like the set contained The Reign of
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  Terror on one VHS and then this The Missing Years.
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  No, The Missing Years documentaries on the Ice
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  Warriors. The other VHS contained episode
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  3 of this episode, one of The Web Affair and the two episodes
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  of The Faceless Ones and Came. In a little box I remember.
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  You got a little 40th anniversary badge?
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  Do. You remember when the only way
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  you could I never got a badge. Oh.
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  Well, you fucked it, mate. You owed 1 Cent.
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  Take it back to Wally's. How far do you think I'll get?
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  Oh, no, they're still going in Belgium.
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  I'll go all the way over. There you go.
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  Perfect. Do you remember when the single
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  episodes that survived were on the early years, and the trout
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  and years are those types. I love pertwis.
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  You know many British films, including Of The Wicked Lady,
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  You know, that sort of stuff. Oh dear.
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  I love those tapes. The Daleks, the early years, and
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  the Simon and the early years were the best ones.
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  The Daleks was the Daleks master plan, wasn't it?
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  Two episodes of Daleks Master Plan, an episode of Evil and the
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  Daleks. I think that's it.
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  I loved the Shroud one. Do you know why?
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  Because to this day, I love Space Parks Episode 2.
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  Me too. We are going to be too late
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  again. I can't wait for them to animate
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  the space pirates and everyone to fucking love.
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  It I I. Would nominate space pirates to
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  do for this, but the Recon. Not that it's bad, but there's
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  just so little. To it's repeated footage over
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  the episode one, you know where they they go in the space suit
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  and they've got those film trims of them in the space suits in
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  space. You just watch that again and
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  again in episode one. I remember having, when I first
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  met you and your other half in real life, having a long
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  conversation with Mark about the Space Pirates, and it's like,
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  it's great. There's a man that hides under a
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  table in it. I mean, that's that's not true.
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  Fans for you in it. It's the first time we meet in
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  person and we end up talking about the Space Pirates, yeah.
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  Exactly, yeah. Everyone said everything they
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  need to say about pyramids and Mars.
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  Well, clearly about the underwater menace as well.
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  Oh, here's Lolum. Yeah.
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  Oh, Amdo, Amdo. Oh, so the Doctor's going to be
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  executed now, isn't he? Yeah.
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  And and how they get him out of this?
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  By going inside the great statue of Amdo.
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  Going inside statues. Math.
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  Always been in there as well. It's it's a big, I mean, he's a
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  big camp priest, isn't he, This guy, What did you say his name
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  is? Lolum.
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  Lolum. I'm going to now make a
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  suggestion that they are possibly making a critique on
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  organised religion. Possibly, I don't think,
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  Jeffrey. I'm trying, all right.
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  What you mean with the closeted gay man as the priest as well?
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  I love that even the way he raises arms in this is his camp
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  as his character on TV. And they haven't sort of slimmed
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  him up a bit. Yahoo I wonder.
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  I'm I'm not going to Google it, but I wonder what other sort of
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  characters that guy played. Oh, please Google it.
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  All right, go on. What's his name?
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  Someone. Jevons.
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  Oh, I. Don't know hang.
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  On you have a look and I'll talk about religion in Doctor.
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  Yeah, Yeah, you. You lay a subtext that
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  definitely isn't there. Oh, I don't think the statue had
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  rubies for eyes either. You know the original, No?
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  It just had a big black hole I. I'm supposed to be the person
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  that fulfils that role in this podcast.
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  No, no, no. No, no.
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  No. You seen any many big black
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  holes in your life? Oh, I wanted to.
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  It was played by Peter Stevens. I'm just going.
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  On he did play Billy Bunter. I know that.
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  Did he really? Yeah, that's that's because
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  that's effect. It's his character that they
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  based the character on in the Celestial Toy Maker, Peter.
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  Stevens, IMDb We are learning all about a lot of dead people
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  here, aren't we? He was born in 1920 and died in
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  1972, aged 52. That is no time to die.
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  That's ten years for me. Oh.
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  God, I mean, yes, 12 for me. I hope I don't die the same age
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  as Billy Bunter. His last appearance was in
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  something called Arthur of the Britons and his.
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  Wow, that is a long profile. I think most actors will be
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  quite happy with a profile that long.
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  And his first appearance was 1948 in something called The
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  Immortal Lady, where he played the Venetian ambassador.
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  Now, is there anything that I might have on DVD that I can see
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  him in? Wacko?
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  I don't know what that is. Armchair Theatre.
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  It's all all the same shit that everybody around this.
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  This time, there's Dicks in a dark green.
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  It was a sort of incestuous Paul, wasn't it?
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  That they they all popped up on every single show.
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  The Avengers. I haven't seen the danger man.
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  Danger. Man, there you go.
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  I've got. That on DVD so.
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  I'll just see the tomorrow, people.
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  No, the treasure shakers. But that's not to say the
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  Tomorrow People won't be on here.
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  What do you what do you think about this intriguing power
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  struggle between the political leader of Atlantis and Professor
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  Zarov? Well, it's it's a weird one
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  because they're they're both like, Zarov isn't technically in
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  charge, is he? He is the other guy.
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  Yeah. So.
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  I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't
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  know whether it quite works. Oh, he's an Adam.
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  Adamant lives. Sorry, I'm still on.
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  I'm still on our mate. He isn't an episode of the
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  Advent Adventures The Avengers anyway.
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  Peter Stevens, we salute you and your career.
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  We're sorry you died so young. Yeah, but you did a lot in that
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  time. But you know, he's from a time
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  where they mainly ate liver, isn't he?
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  I used to eat liver when I was young and different onions.
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  Yeah, that's what you did. Because me and he harm.
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  Yeah. Are you sure?
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  Yeah. My mind is bent because of the
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  liver and onions. Professor Zaroff.
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  Yeah. His plan is to destroy the whole
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  of Atlantis. Yeah.
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  To to be like the one scientist that managed to raise it out of
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  the. Water.
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  He raises it out of the water, but in doing so will destroy the
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  planet. Yeah, why?
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  Because, and this is down to that thing of the pulpy nature
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  of the plot not being thought through.
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  Because it's only a kid show. Because why not?
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  It's a bonkers scheme and it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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  So the only thing you can say is is because he's fucking mad.
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  But like, nobody will be left alive to see his great work.
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  The consequence of it I mean. No, I mean that is a flaw in his
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  plan. But, and I think it is
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  disgusting, this, it's sort of lightly touched over but.
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  You'd have to send a boy out into space.
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  That said, I did it, Professor Zarroff.
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  Lots of love. With all the rubble going
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  around. Yeah.
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  It's a bit crazy. Oh no.
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  The bits seem worried. The Doctor says to him.
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  Why do you want to blow out the world?
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  And he goes, You a scientist? Ask me why?
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  And that's about as much depth as we get.
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  What's the achievement? Trouton's arms really do?
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  Change length between to see than these animations, don't
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  they? They look a bit short there.
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  Oh, it's worse than the fear from the day.
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  It's terrible. Like somebody must have looked
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  at that animation and gone you know what they are out
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  proportion with his body. Well, it's because it's not
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  because it's a different aspect ratio.
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  They're like we need to fill the screen with something, so we'll
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  just make their arms longer. That's actually, that's not a
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  question I haven't asked you about actually.
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  And I think it's because we're watching an animation and Oh my
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  God, look at this market in the animation.
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  It's massive. So much better.
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  It's just a little pole in it in the original.
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  I wish Polly was wearing that get up in the original as well.
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  Dirty kid like, how do you write trout like?
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  Is he one of your favourites? Is he one of my favourites?
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  I I have real trouble writing the classic Doctors, if I'm
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  perfectly honest. You love them all.
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  I love them all. Even Peter Davidson.
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  I don't mind, David. Your brother likes him, yeah?
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  I know he does. He's my Davos, probably my least
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  favorite of the classic Doctors. But then whenever I sit down to
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  watch season 21 on my car, I once he's got rid of the the
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  crowded kid TARDIS. I'm like, I I can get with him
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  once Taylor arrives, basically. And this is fucked off I'm more
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  into. Oh, it's.
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  Not because of this. I just think the whole the time
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  and space and you want to get back to fucking Heathrow.
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  Nothing against Janet Fielding, who I think plays the role she's
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  given. Great.
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  I could have done with a year with Davison and Nicola Bryant.
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  Yeah, me too. I think that might be.
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  Quite interesting. Me too.
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  Now, but yeah, I do try trouting as one of my as a kid.
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  Probably not as, but in my sort of mid to late teens I would say
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  trouting was my favorite at one point.
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  I like the fact that he allows the Doctor to be scared.
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  Yeah, with Pertwee and with Baker.
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  They're always so fucking stall, aren't they?
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  As I'm standing there posing on or taking the piss, whereas
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  trout and dust are sort of Oh my word.
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  You know what? I really like that.
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  Because I think as a young man, that made me scared.
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  If the doctor was scared, I was scared.
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  The eras I'm most likely to revisit and classic Doctor Who
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  are the 7th Doctor and the First Doctor, and then after that it's
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  probably Trout and then Colin Baker.
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  Why the First Doctor? I just think it's magical.
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  I think it's like it's so far removed from the show we know,
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  and they're sort of making it up as they go along and I just
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  think it's brilliant. Oh, you know, I did a commentary
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  for the Myth Makers last week and we did one to three and I
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  had never really given it much consideration.
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  It was a revelation how good it was.
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  Bloody great, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, it's hard to
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  believe it's only a season before this Sophisticated, not
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  this. In the same season, you've got
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  the Celestial Toy Maker, don't you?
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  Which is a bag of old Dicks. Yeah, well, no, I can see what
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  they're going for in Toy Maker. I just one, I can't, don't think
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  they can execute you well. And two, the script went for all
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  those revisions. I don't think this script went
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  for any revisions at all. No, it feels like they just,
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  they just did draft one who you are, make that and they
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  struggle. This feels like probably don't
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  do now. They're just running around.
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  Chases are off, aren't. They and they they run around in
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  the real version, but it just feels it feels better here
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  because there's more than two sets.
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  It is such a fucking This is the definition of an Episode 3.
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  Runner or Business? Although it does end with Zaraf
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  taking complete control and getting his guards to shoot the
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  guy and shot. Oh, there it is.
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  There's that scene with the Pepper.
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  And he throws it through his does it through his recorder as
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  well. The worst scene in this right,
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  is I can't believe it made the car.
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  And because we have episode 3, you can watch it as the bit
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  where he goes to the the priest. Oh, I'm dying.
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  Let me feel the aura of your goodness, the way of drinking
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  him. Right, we're about to.
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  So they're turning the fish people against everyone else to
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  stop them picking the plankton. So we're about.
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  To average everyday events. Yeah, absolutely.
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  But it means we're about to get to everyone's one of the most
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  iconic scenes and. Nothing.
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  Kind of remember how it looks animated.
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  Is it as good? Is it better?
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  It's. Different.
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  I mean, you're about to say my friend, you're about to.
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  Say the original look pretty good.
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  I seem to record they're just going around on Kirby Wise.
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  Yeah, I like the original, but there was actual like bubbles
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  you can see. Because I think what they do is
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  they they're on Kirby wires in a studio, but then they put like a
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  glass tank in front of it with bubbles and stuff if I remember
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  correctly. These animated faces for the
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  fish people look very like the prisoners that come out of the
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  cells in the sharder animation. I wonder if the same people are
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  doing it. You know they've.
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  Just once you've drawn it, you've drawn it, haven't they?
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  Yes, but shouldn't this be the companions convincing them to
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  rebel? Like do we need jackals?
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  No, these characters are not needed.
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  Not needed at all. But it's nice to have them.
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  We're already in a situation where lines are having to be
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  shared between Ben and. Jamie And then you write a few
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  more people. Then you add extra characters.
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  I mean, that is something I've heard thrown at Chipnall before
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  and I don't entirely disagree. Especially in series 12 where he
• 19:45
  has his huge guest casts and there ain't enough for the
• 19:48
  regulars to do right here. We go the banging tube, I mean.
• 20:05
  I'm not sure it's better than the original.
• 20:07
  Well, I think what is what they're doing here is like
• 20:10
  obviously you can't talk underwater, so it's almost like
• 20:13
  a sign language. In the original, the fellow
• 20:16
  comes down on the Kirby wire and just waves his arms to say no,
• 20:20
  no, stop working. What's he doing there?
• 20:23
  He saw a. Little dance.
• 20:25
  He. Gets his Dick out of the minute.
• 20:28
  As well. He's taking his clothes off as a
• 20:30
  striptease. I think it's quite elegantly
• 20:36
  done. I think the original might be
• 20:38
  better. Though it is, but you know I'm
• 20:40
  into this. Oh, this looks like the sort of
• 20:46
  thing that J&T would put on The end of The Pier at Christmas
• 20:49
  time, starring Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant.
• 20:55
  Yeah, And anybody from EastEnders, I.
• 20:57
  Do like the more experimental school, though, you know, I
• 21:00
  think Dudley can get a bit. I'm not.
• 21:04
  I'm not a big. Dudley Guy, I do like bits of
• 21:06
  it, but I just like you say it's too repetitive.
• 21:08
  By the time we get to the Tom Baker era, I'm really, like, I'm
• 21:11
  really bored of Dudley Simpson. You listen to his scores in
• 21:13
  Trouton's time, though. Yeah.
• 21:15
  So like the ice wars, is that. Sort of.
• 21:17
  Yeah, he's really trying. It feels like in the Tom Baker
• 21:20
  era, he's he's phoning it in. And then you listen to Blake
• 21:22
  Seven, It's like, oh, it's basically the same.
• 21:24
  Same music, yeah. Yeah, with this four piece of a
• 21:27
  band. And anything that's sort of
• 21:30
  done, it's it's like Douglas Adams is writing, doing
• 21:33
  hitchhikers and doing the Pirate Planet.
• 21:35
  There's overlap. It's like you listen to, oh God,
• 21:38
  I'm going way off now, but you listen to Dalek War and Jubilee,
• 21:43
  which is done exactly the same time.
• 21:45
  They sound very similar. They share actors, you know, I
• 21:48
  think, yeah, if you're doing a lot at the same time, then oh,
• 21:52
  here we go. Sarah off just fainted.
• 21:54
  Oh God, I'm having a heart attack.
• 21:58
  A lot of people don't have heart attacks in Doctor Who.
• 22:00
  It's not really the the way to dispatch people.
• 22:04
  I can't think of many, you know. People die of fright in the.
• 22:10
  She was found in the barn, paralysed with fear.
• 22:12
  She may have seen something. Oh, this shit you see is coming
• 22:19
  up in a minute. Shitty scene.
• 22:22
  This is Doctor Who. There are no shitty scenes.
• 22:24
  Dylan allowed me to feel the aura of your goodness.
• 22:28
  Look at the way the tentacles come down in this this animated
• 22:32
  version of Amdo. Yeah, Amdo before just looked a
• 22:35
  bit shit, but Amdo here feels like a God of the sea.
• 22:39
  So they're all sort of praising the set in the documentary
• 22:43
  really, but I think for the time for the money.
• 22:45
  I suppose it's a big man in the middle of a set.
• 22:48
  Yeah. All right, You can do a lot of
• 22:50
  things with a big mouth. You can.
• 22:53
  I wonder what did all those sets just got jumped right?
• 22:56
  Yeah. Even even the special wall.
• 22:59
  Well, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
• 23:01
  Things I kept you recently broken.
• 23:03
  News to me that fabulous props and things were destroyed in
• 23:07
  terrible fires. Yeah, those were the props
• 23:09
  though. That's different.
• 23:11
  But this I miss. But of course you wouldn't keep
• 23:12
  sets of what we're talking about.
• 23:13
  Whenever we make a set, we get rid of it and destroy it.
• 23:16
  Well, other productions are going to use the face of amdo.
• 23:19
  I don't. Know I might have.
• 23:20
  I might have used for it. Put it in my living room.
• 23:24
  Need a telly. We could just have the face of
• 23:25
  AMDO there. It's like that story that Barry,
• 23:27
  let's tell us about Agador from Monster Repelled on, isn't it?
• 23:30
  He kept the statue and put it outside his office.
• 23:34
  Yeah, it's like to ward people off and things like that.
• 23:37
  When they realised that they, he had a prop there, they were
• 23:40
  absolutely livid. Higher ups, yeah.
• 23:43
  Well, John Perk, we kept Bock, the model of Bock and Peter
• 23:46
  Purvis kept the trial logic going from.
• 23:50
  Oh my God. And did you hear about that?
• 23:51
  He he threw it away, didn't he? Yeah.
• 23:53
  Because he got no work and he thought it was cursed.
• 23:56
  Then he, years later, he's like, I'm going to wait a fucking
• 23:58
  fortune with that. Oh, that bit there, right where
• 24:02
  after the aura of your goodness where he stabbed him with the
• 24:05
  the spear on the screen, right. You don't see it going in, you
• 24:09
  just see the spear go down and then it sort of wobbles in in
• 24:13
  screen. It's terrible.
• 24:16
  It's all very theatre, isn't it? But as you say, like they
• 24:20
  they've got the same resources as Doug Dougie Canfield did.
• 24:24
  Can I ask you a question as a, as a person that works on
• 24:27
  television now, do you think that performance styles have
• 24:34
  improved? I know they've changed because
• 24:36
  think this basically was theatre on the television to your
• 24:40
  preference how things change for the better, because I feel like
• 24:44
  things are a lot more naturalistic now.
• 24:46
  I mean, yes, I think they have, but it depends what you want
• 24:48
  from your entertainment, doesn't it?
• 24:50
  Like, I love nothing more than sitting and watching an old bit
• 24:53
  of 60s TV with a massive performance, but I would never
• 24:56
  like. I think it would be a dangerous
• 24:58
  thing to work on something like that now, unless it was a spoof
• 25:01
  like Toast of London. Or what was that inside number
• 25:05
  91 where they were aping 60s and 70s television Devil Devil of
• 25:09
  Christmas. The Graham Harper directed one.
• 25:12
  You see now all of this is done as comedy now isn't it?
• 25:16
  As a piss take. But again, and I'm sure we've
• 25:19
  said this before on this podcast, you show this versus
• 25:23
  the Pyramids of Mars to somebody now and they will think it's
• 25:26
  both the same style of acting. What I think they prefer this
• 25:29
  though. Yeah, this is a lot of fun.
• 25:30
  They'd have a laugh. I thought Pyramids of Mars would
• 25:33
  probably come across as a bit boring, to be perfectly honest.
• 25:35
  He's. Not keen on pyramids.
• 25:36
  Of Mars. Sorry, Jeremy Bentham.
• 25:38
  No, it's great. I'm just using it as an example
• 25:40
  as a classic, you know, they're like a much lauded classic from
• 25:45
  times gone by. I know that Jeremy Bentham, when
• 25:51
  he could go on Toby Halo's oh God, what's it called?
• 25:55
  His His commentary podcast. He chose.
• 25:58
  I think it was the Dialect's master plan or something like
• 26:00
  that. You know, proper Doctor Who, you
• 26:03
  know, not this new stuff. Proper Doctor Who?
• 26:06
  New woke stuff, won't you? This is called Black Man in it.
• 26:13
  Yeah, but it didn't back in the day, did it?
• 26:15
  Yeah, Jacko. Oh yeah.
• 26:16
  No, Yeah. And.
• 26:18
  An Irishman. It's got a gay man in it.
• 26:22
  Yeah, Lola the priest. Oh God, who's got so woke?
• 26:26
  What? What Lola the priest did to
• 26:28
  Ando's mouth that when the camera was down, you don't want
• 26:31
  to know. Oh.
• 26:32
  No, I do don't see it please. There isn't a huge amount of
• 26:37
  women in this society though, is there?
• 26:38
  No, there's Ara and that's it. Yeah, so the priest.
• 26:42
  They saw Polly and all their eyes lit up.
• 26:47
  Yeah, that priest probably seen a fair bit of action then.
• 26:52
  I think is this in the episode? I think it is, yeah.
• 26:54
  Plus, yeah, we've shot through this one.
• 26:56
  Yeah, well, it's. Oh, here we go.
• 26:58
  Your people, your people. They are my people.
• 27:02
  The accent is all over the place, but ultimately Zara's won
• 27:06
  the power struggle here, hasn't he?
• 27:08
  Yeah. Oh, for sure.
• 27:09
  Well, what about trouting in Enemy of the World?
• 27:13
  That accent was all over the place.
• 27:14
  As well. I mean, people are quick to
• 27:16
  criticize this guy, but like, it wouldn't pass today's standards,
• 27:20
  would it? I'd love salamander.
• 27:22
  Me too. You try, you fail.
• 27:23
  So, uh, huh. The moon doesn't fall out of the
• 27:26
  sky. Sit down.
• 27:28
  Have a drink. I used to quote that from about
• 27:31
  the age of 10 to people. Have you have you read the comic
• 27:35
  with Salamander in? Is there?
• 27:37
  What? Oh yeah, we covered it on Too
• 27:38
  Hot for TV but about 18 months ago.
• 27:41
  Well, I've heard all your episodes.
• 27:42
  How about that's? A fair doctor story?
• 27:45
  Fucking brilliant. So Doctor and Salamander.
• 27:47
  Written by Paul Cornell and it's fucking brilliant.
• 27:52
  Oh, here we go. Yeah.
• 27:54
  What a guy. Nothing in the world will stop
• 27:56
  him now, except possibly death by drowning.
• 27:59
  Yes, Which he should have foreseen coming Living in
• 28:02
  Atlantis, really, shouldn't he? Can I ask, are you still as
• 28:06
  gripped by the underwater menace?
• 28:07
  Oh, I've been thoroughly gripped.
• 28:11
  I'll let go then. He wants to be there, yeah.