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Ep 147 - Katy Leeson - The Success Paradox: Thrive despite imposter syndrome · The Billionaire Brain® Podcast

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  Hey,
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  it's
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  Dawn
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  McGrewer,
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  the
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  business
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  growth
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  coach.
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  And
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  welcome
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  to
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  dawn
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  of
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  a
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  New
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  Era,
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  the
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  podcast
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  where
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  we
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  talk
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  all
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  things
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  health,
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  wealth,
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  and
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  happiness
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  and
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  where
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  founders
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  share
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  the
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  good
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  and
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  bad
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  and
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  ugly
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  of
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  being
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  an
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  entrepreneur.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  the
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  dawn
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  of
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  the
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  New
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  Era
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  podcast
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  on
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  the
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  private
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  island.
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  And
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  it
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  has
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  been
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  a
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  magical
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  past
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  few
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  days
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  and
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  also
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  the
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  first
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  time
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  that
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  we've
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  met
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  in
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  real
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  life.
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  So
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  we
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  have
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  got
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  the
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  amazing
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  Katie
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  Leeson
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  on
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  today's
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  podcast.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  things
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  that
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  is
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  so
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  important
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  to
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  share,
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  and
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  I
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  love
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  to
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  share
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  how
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  we
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  met,
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  so
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  it
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  turns
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  out
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  that
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  we
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  have
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  common
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  connections
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  and
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  I've
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  been
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  following
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  you
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  on
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  LinkedIn
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  for
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  a
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  while.
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  And
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  for
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  those
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  that
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  don't
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  know,
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  Katie's
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  history
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  is
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  very
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  diverse
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  what
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  she's
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  done.
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  But
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  she's
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  got
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  an
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  amazing
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  story
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  and
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  the
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  great
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  news
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  is
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  she's
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  going
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  to
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  share
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  it
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  with
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  us.
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  So
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  we
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  met
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  on
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  a
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  zoom
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  call,
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  and
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  I'm
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  trying
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  to
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  think
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  exactly
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  how
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  that
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  came
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  about.
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  I
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  think
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  I'd
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  message
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  you
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  on
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  Instagram.
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  And
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  then
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  we
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  decided
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  to
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  have
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  a
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  chat.
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  We
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  felt
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  that
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  there
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  was
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  a
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  common
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  bond
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  and
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  obviously
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  we're
• 1:09
  both
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  passionate
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  about
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  dogs.
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  And
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  you
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  have
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  Fozzy
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  and
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  I
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  have
• 1:13
  Paddy
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  Murphy.
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  So
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  I
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  invited
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  you,
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  obviously,
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  to
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  come
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  on
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  my
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  podcast
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  and
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  you
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  agreed
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  to
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  not
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  only
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  come
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  on
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  the
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  podcast,
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  but
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  to
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  come
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  to
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  a
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  private
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  island
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  in
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  the
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  middle
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  of
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  Oxford
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  and
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  also
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  speak
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  at
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  my
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  event.
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  So
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  introduce
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  yourself,
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  tell
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  us
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  you.
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  I'm
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  sure
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  lots
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  of
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  people
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  have
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  been
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  following
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  you
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  and
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  know
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  your
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  history,
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  but
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  tell
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  us
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  Katie.
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  I
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  will.
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  So
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  thank
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  you
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  so
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  much.
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  Honestly,
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  this
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  last
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  couple
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  of
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  days
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  as
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  well
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  has
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  been
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  amazing.
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  I've
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  loved
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  it
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  with
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  the
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  women
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  and
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  the
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  group,
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  and
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  I'm
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  so
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  excited
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  to
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  do
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  this
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  podcast
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  with
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  you.
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  Yeah.
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  My
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  name's
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  Katie
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  Leeson
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  and
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  I
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  am.
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  how
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  to
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  announce
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  myself
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  now
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  because
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  I'm
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  in
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  a
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  bit
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  of.
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  A
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  transition
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  in
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  the
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  growth
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  stage.
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  The
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  new
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  business.
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  Exciting
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  consultancy,
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  Mentoring.
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  Yeah,
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  consultant
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  and
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  mentor
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  all
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  around.
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  Similar
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  to
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  you
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  around
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  growth.
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  And
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  the
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  reason
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  for
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  that
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  is
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  because
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  my
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  career
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  has
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  all
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  been
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  around
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  growth,
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  whether
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  that's
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  been
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  fast
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  business
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  growth
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  or
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  whether
• 2:08
  that's
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  been
• 2:09
  creating
• 2:10
  fan
• 2:10
  base
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  growth
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  or
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  community
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  growth.
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  So,
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  yeah,
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  I've
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  kind
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  of
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  moved
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  into
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  that
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  world
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  where
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  now
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  share
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  all
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  of
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  my
• 2:16
  experience
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  to
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  help
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  other
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  people
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  who
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  are
• 2:18
  going
• 2:18
  through
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  a
• 2:18
  similar
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  sort
• 2:19
  of
• 2:19
  thing.
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  And
• 2:19
  I
• 2:20
  love
• 2:20
  talking
• 2:20
  to
• 2:20
  you
• 2:20
  about
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  it
• 2:21
  because
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  I
• 2:22
  started
• 2:22
  my
• 2:22
  first
• 2:22
  business
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  at
• 2:23
  21.
• 2:24
  It's
• 2:24
  not
• 2:24
  all
• 2:24
  been
• 2:24
  sunshines
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  and
• 2:25
  Rainbows.
• 2:25
  It's
• 2:26
  been
• 2:26
  a
• 2:26
  turbulent
• 2:26
  time
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  and
• 2:27
  I
• 2:27
  think
• 2:27
  what's
• 2:28
  nice
• 2:28
  is
• 2:28
  that
• 2:29
  you've
• 2:29
  worked
• 2:30
  in
• 2:30
  some
• 2:30
  of
• 2:30
  the
• 2:30
  most
• 2:30
  amazing
• 2:31
  businesses.
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  And
• 2:32
  some
• 2:32
  of
• 2:33
  you
• 2:33
  who
• 2:33
  know
• 2:34
  Katie
• 2:34
  Leeson
• 2:34
  will
• 2:35
  know
• 2:35
  that
• 2:35
  Katie
• 2:36
  worked
• 2:37
  in
• 2:37
  Social
• 2:37
  Train,
• 2:38
  which
• 2:38
  is
• 2:38
  kind
• 2:38
  of
• 2:38
  like
• 2:39
  the
• 2:39
  one
• 2:40
  business
• 2:40
  that
• 2:40
  we,
• 2:41
  we
• 2:41
  kind
• 2:41
  of
• 2:41
  know
• 2:42
  because
• 2:42
  it
• 2:42
  was
• 2:42
  so
• 2:42
  fast
• 2:43
  paced,
• 2:43
  it
• 2:43
  sounded
• 2:43
  so
• 2:43
  much
• 2:44
  fun,
• 2:44
  it
• 2:44
  was
• 2:44
  exciting.
• 2:45
  Stephen
• 2:46
  Bartlett
• 2:46
  was
• 2:46
  heading
• 2:46
  it
• 2:47
  up.
• 2:47
  We're
• 2:48
  gonna
• 2:48
  have
• 2:48
  to
• 2:48
  open
• 2:49
  up
• 2:49
  and
• 2:49
  share
• 2:49
  a
• 2:49
  little
• 2:50
  bit
• 2:50
  about
• 2:50
  this.
• 2:50
  So
• 2:51
  how
• 2:51
  old
• 2:52
  were
• 2:52
  you
• 2:52
  when
• 2:52
  you
• 2:52
  started
• 2:53
  Social
• 2:53
  Chain?
• 2:53
  And
• 2:54
  kind
• 2:54
  of
• 2:54
  share
• 2:54
  with
• 2:55
  us
• 2:55
  how
• 2:55
  it
• 2:55
  even
• 2:55
  occurred.
• 2:56
  How
• 2:56
  did
• 2:56
  you
• 2:56
  get
• 2:57
  into
• 2:57
  that
• 2:57
  amazing
• 2:58
  business?
• 2:58
  I
• 2:59
  started
• 2:59
  in
• 2:59
  marketing
• 3:00
  straight
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  out
• 3:00
  of
• 3:01
  uni
• 3:01
  and
• 3:03
  I
• 3:03
  was
• 3:04
  in
• 3:04
  very
• 3:04
  traditional
• 3:05
  media,
• 3:05
  so
• 3:06
  I
• 3:06
  was
• 3:06
  buying
• 3:06
  press,
• 3:07
  radio
• 3:07
  and
• 3:07
  outdoor
• 3:07
  space
• 3:08
  and
• 3:08
  I
• 3:09
  loved
• 3:09
  it,
• 3:10
  honestly.
• 3:10
  You
• 3:10
  know,
• 3:10
  when
• 3:10
  you
• 3:11
  think
• 3:11
  about
• 3:11
  not
• 3:11
  having
• 3:11
  to
• 3:11
  work
• 3:12
  a
• 3:12
  day
• 3:12
  in
• 3:12
  your
• 3:12
  life
• 3:12
  because
• 3:12
  you
• 3:12
  love
• 3:13
  it,
• 3:13
  that's
• 3:13
  what
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  was
• 3:13
  like.
• 3:14
  Never
• 3:14
  got
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  Sunday
• 3:14
  scaries,
• 3:16
  but
• 3:16
  I've
• 3:16
  always
• 3:17
  been
• 3:17
  that
• 3:18
  person
• 3:18
  to
• 3:18
  kind
• 3:18
  of
• 3:19
  push
• 3:19
  myself.
• 3:19
  If
• 3:20
  I've
• 3:20
  stopped
• 3:20
  learning,
• 3:21
  I
• 3:21
  get
• 3:21
  an
• 3:21
  itch
• 3:22
  and
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  always.
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  call
• 3:22
  it
• 3:22
  my
• 3:23
  comfy
• 3:23
  slippers.
• 3:24
  I
• 3:24
  had
• 3:24
  my
• 3:24
  comfy
• 3:24
  slippers
• 3:25
  on,
• 3:25
  so
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  knew
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  needed
• 3:26
  something
• 3:26
  else.
• 3:27
  And
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  moved
• 3:27
  from
• 3:28
  doing
• 3:28
  that
• 3:29
  buying
• 3:29
  into
• 3:29
  moving
• 3:30
  into
• 3:30
  a
• 3:30
  new
• 3:30
  business
• 3:30
  and
• 3:31
  marketing
• 3:31
  role
• 3:31
  within
• 3:32
  Mediacom.
• 3:33
  And
• 3:33
  I
• 3:33
  did
• 3:33
  that
• 3:33
  for
• 3:33
  a
• 3:33
  while
• 3:34
  and
• 3:34
  there
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  learned
• 3:35
  all
• 3:35
  about
• 3:36
  how
• 3:37
  businesses
• 3:37
  were
• 3:37
  formed,
• 3:38
  how
• 3:38
  they
• 3:38
  created
• 3:39
  money,
• 3:40
  all
• 3:40
  the
• 3:40
  contracts,
• 3:41
  all
• 3:41
  that
• 3:41
  sort
• 3:41
  of
• 3:41
  stuff,
• 3:42
  the
• 3:42
  commercial
• 3:42
  side
• 3:42
  of
• 3:43
  it.
• 3:43
  And
• 3:44
  I
• 3:45
  always
• 3:45
  knew
• 3:45
  though,
• 3:46
  that
• 3:46
  I
• 3:46
  didn't
• 3:46
  have
• 3:47
  digital
• 3:47
  in
• 3:47
  my
• 3:47
  skill
• 3:48
  set
• 3:48
  and
• 3:48
  I
• 3:49
  knew
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  way
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  world
• 3:49
  was
• 3:50
  moving
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  thought,
• 3:51
  if
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  don't
• 3:51
  do
• 3:51
  this,
• 3:52
  I'm
• 3:52
  not
• 3:52
  going
• 3:52
  to
• 3:52
  future
• 3:52
  proof
• 3:53
  myself.
• 3:53
  I'm
• 3:53
  going
• 3:53
  to
• 3:53
  get
• 3:53
  left
• 3:54
  behind.
• 3:55
  And
• 3:56
  Social
• 3:56
  Chain
• 3:57
  wasn't
• 3:58
  really
• 3:58
  well
• 3:58
  known
• 3:59
  at
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  time
• 3:59
  Steve
• 4:00
  started
• 4:00
  following
• 4:00
  me
• 4:01
  on
• 4:01
  Twitter.
• 4:01
  I
• 4:02
  love
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  fact
• 4:02
  you
• 4:02
  call
• 4:02
  him
• 4:02
  Steve,
• 4:03
  like
• 4:03
  we
• 4:03
  all
• 4:03
  know
• 4:03
  him
• 4:04
  as
• 4:04
  Stephen.
• 4:04
  But
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  course,
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:05
  I
• 4:05
  know.
• 4:05
  It
• 4:06
  comes
• 4:06
  out
• 4:06
  and
• 4:06
  I
• 4:07
  probably
• 4:07
  should
• 4:07
  be.
• 4:08
  I
• 4:08
  probably
• 4:08
  should
• 4:08
  full
• 4:09
  title
• 4:09
  him,
• 4:09
  shouldn't
• 4:09
  I,
• 4:10
  Stephen?
• 4:10
  But
• 4:10
  yeah,
• 4:10
  he
• 4:11
  started
• 4:11
  following
• 4:11
  me
• 4:11
  on
• 4:12
  Twitter
• 4:12
  and
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  looked
• 4:13
  at
• 4:13
  what
• 4:13
  they
• 4:13
  were
• 4:14
  doing
• 4:14
  and
• 4:14
  they
• 4:15
  just
• 4:15
  done
• 4:15
  some
• 4:16
  really
• 4:16
  exciting
• 4:17
  guerrilla
• 4:18
  activations
• 4:19
  in
• 4:19
  Manchester
• 4:20
  and
• 4:21
  they're
• 4:21
  social
• 4:21
  and
• 4:22
  everything
• 4:22
  they
• 4:22
  were
• 4:22
  doing
• 4:22
  just
• 4:23
  seemed
• 4:23
  like
• 4:24
  it
• 4:24
  was
• 4:24
  fun
• 4:25
  and
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  was
• 4:25
  kind
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  craving
• 4:26
  that
• 4:26
  in
• 4:26
  Manchester.
• 4:27
  I
• 4:27
  think
• 4:27
  there
• 4:28
  was
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  lot
• 4:28
  in
• 4:28
  London
• 4:28
  and
• 4:29
  I,
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  was
• 4:29
  at
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  sort
• 4:30
  of
• 4:30
  pivotal
• 4:30
  point
• 4:31
  in
• 4:31
  my
• 4:31
  career
• 4:31
  where
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  could
• 4:32
  have
• 4:32
  gone
• 4:32
  to
• 4:32
  London
• 4:33
  to
• 4:33
  ex,
• 4:33
  like
• 4:34
  to
• 4:34
  move
• 4:34
  forward,
• 4:35
  but
• 4:35
  I
• 4:35
  was
• 4:35
  craving
• 4:36
  staying.
• 4:36
  I'm
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  bit
• 4:36
  of
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  home
• 4:37
  bird.
• 4:37
  I
• 4:37
  like
• 4:37
  being
• 4:38
  near
• 4:38
  my
• 4:38
  parents,
• 4:39
  far
• 4:39
  enough
• 4:39
  away
• 4:39
  station
• 4:40
  My
• 4:40
  mom
• 4:40
  can't
• 4:40
  just
• 4:41
  walk
• 4:41
  in
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  house,
• 4:41
  but
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  like
• 4:42
  being
• 4:42
  close.
• 4:43
  And
• 4:43
  I
• 4:43
  was
• 4:43
  looking
• 4:43
  for
• 4:43
  something
• 4:44
  and
• 4:44
  I
• 4:45
  thought,
• 4:45
  this
• 4:45
  is
• 4:45
  quite
• 4:46
  exciting.
• 4:47
  It
• 4:47
  was
• 4:47
  purely
• 4:47
  because
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  wanted
• 4:48
  to
• 4:48
  learn
• 4:49
  about
• 4:49
  digital.
• 4:50
  So
• 4:50
  I
• 4:50
  reached
• 4:51
  out
• 4:51
  and
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  said,
• 4:51
  you've
• 4:52
  got
• 4:52
  a
• 4:52
  couple
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  roles.
• 4:53
  Can
• 4:53
  we
• 4:53
  have
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  chat?
• 4:54
  We
• 4:55
  talked
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  I
• 4:56
  talked
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  the
• 4:56
  leadership
• 4:56
  team
• 4:57
  for
• 4:57
  a
• 4:58
  good
• 4:58
  few
• 4:58
  months,
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  then
• 5:00
  they
• 5:00
  offered
• 5:00
  me
• 5:00
  ops
• 5:01
  director.
• 5:01
  And
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  was.
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  think
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  was
• 5:03
  31,
• 5:04
  32,
• 5:05
  but
• 5:05
  the
• 5:06
  average
• 5:06
  age
• 5:06
  was
• 5:06
  22.
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  was
• 5:07
  gonna
• 5:07
  say,
• 5:08
  you're,
• 5:08
  like,
• 5:08
  ancient.
• 5:08
  You're
• 5:08
  like.
• 5:09
  They
• 5:10
  all
• 5:10
  said,
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  old
• 5:11
  lady
• 5:11
  is
• 5:12
  coming
• 5:12
  in
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  ruin
• 5:12
  the
• 5:12
  fun.
• 5:15
  Old.
• 5:16
  I'm
• 5:16
  not
• 5:16
  old,
• 5:18
  Casey.
• 5:18
  I'm
• 5:18
  like,
• 5:18
  45.
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  don't
• 5:20
  feel
• 5:20
  old
• 5:21
  now.
• 5:21
  I
• 5:21
  still
• 5:21
  feel
• 5:21
  like
• 5:21
  I'm
• 5:22
  like
• 5:22
  a
• 5:22
  young
• 5:23
  girl
• 5:23
  running
• 5:24
  around
• 5:24
  doing
• 5:24
  what
• 5:24
  I
• 5:24
  want.
• 5:25
  Yeah.
• 5:25
  So
• 5:25
  I
• 5:25
  went
• 5:25
  in
• 5:25
  as
• 5:26
  ops
• 5:26
  director
• 5:27
  and
• 5:28
  I
• 5:28
  did
• 5:28
  that
• 5:28
  and
• 5:28
  I
• 5:28
  helped
• 5:29
  them
• 5:29
  with
• 5:29
  their
• 5:29
  structure
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  lot
• 5:30
  from
• 5:30
  what
• 5:30
  I'd
• 5:30
  learned
• 5:31
  in
• 5:31
  that
• 5:31
  new
• 5:31
  business
• 5:32
  and
• 5:32
  marketing
• 5:32
  role.
• 5:33
  How
• 5:33
  to
• 5:33
  commercialize
• 5:34
  it
• 5:34
  better,
• 5:35
  how
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  structure
• 5:35
  the
• 5:36
  agency,
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  types
• 5:37
  of
• 5:37
  clients
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  we
• 5:38
  wanted
• 5:38
  and
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  way
• 5:39
  we
• 5:39
  wanted
• 5:39
  to
• 5:39
  work.
• 5:40
  And
• 5:40
  then
• 5:41
  six
• 5:42
  months
• 5:42
  in,
• 5:43
  Stephen
• 5:44
  decided
• 5:44
  he
• 5:44
  was
• 5:45
  going
• 5:45
  to
• 5:45
  go
• 5:45
  and
• 5:45
  set
• 5:45
  up
• 5:45
  in
• 5:46
  New
• 5:46
  York
• 5:46
  and
• 5:46
  needed
• 5:47
  someone
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  run
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  UK
• 5:48
  operation.
• 5:49
  So
• 5:49
  I
• 5:50
  interviewed
• 5:50
  and
• 5:51
  was
• 5:51
  made
• 5:51
  managing
• 5:52
  director
• 5:52
  of.
• 5:53
  I
• 5:53
  mean,
• 5:53
  what
• 5:53
  does
• 5:53
  that
• 5:53
  even
• 5:54
  feel
• 5:54
  like?
• 5:55
  I
• 5:55
  mean,
• 5:55
  like,
• 5:56
  wow,
• 5:56
  like,
• 5:57
  that's
• 5:57
  huge.
• 5:57
  It
• 5:58
  was
• 5:58
  huge.
• 5:58
  I
• 5:59
  did
• 5:59
  the
• 5:59
  interview
• 6:00
  and
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  thought
• 6:01
  I'd
• 6:01
  done
• 6:01
  it
• 6:01
  terribly.
• 6:02
  And
• 6:02
  I
• 6:02
  cried
• 6:02
  after
• 6:02
  it.
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  sat
• 6:03
  in
• 6:03
  cafe
• 6:04
  near
• 6:04
  and
• 6:04
  I
• 6:04
  cried.
• 6:04
  I
• 6:05
  love
• 6:05
  it.
• 6:05
  We
• 6:05
  all
• 6:05
  have
• 6:06
  perceptions,
• 6:06
  don't
• 6:06
  we,
• 6:06
  how
• 6:06
  things
• 6:07
  went.
• 6:07
  I
• 6:07
  remember
• 6:07
  doing
• 6:07
  a
• 6:08
  stage
• 6:08
  speaking
• 6:08
  presentation
• 6:09
  and
• 6:09
  thinking,
• 6:10
  oh,
• 6:10
  my
• 6:10
  God,
• 6:10
  it
• 6:10
  was
• 6:10
  disastrous.
• 6:11
  It
• 6:11
  was
• 6:11
  one
• 6:11
  of
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  best
• 6:11
  things
• 6:12
  I've
• 6:12
  ever
• 6:12
  done.
• 6:13
  And
• 6:13
  ended
• 6:13
  in,
• 6:13
  like,
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  a
• 6:15
  round
• 6:15
  of
• 6:15
  applause,
• 6:15
  standing
• 6:15
  ovation.
• 6:16
  So
• 6:17
  you
• 6:18
  cried.
• 6:19
  How
• 6:19
  did.
• 6:19
  How
• 6:19
  did
• 6:20
  you
• 6:20
  get
• 6:20
  the
• 6:20
  announcement?
• 6:21
  Did
• 6:21
  he.
• 6:21
  Did
• 6:21
  he
• 6:22
  tell
• 6:22
  you?
• 6:22
  Like,
• 6:22
  he.
• 6:23
  It
• 6:23
  was
• 6:23
  actually
• 6:24
  really
• 6:24
  lovely.
• 6:25
  I've
• 6:25
  not
• 6:25
  actually
• 6:25
  talked
• 6:26
  about
• 6:26
  this,
• 6:26
  so
• 6:26
  I
• 6:26
  was
• 6:27
  like,
• 6:27
  so,
• 6:27
  yeah,
• 6:27
  I
• 6:28
  cried
• 6:28
  in
• 6:28
  Cafe
• 6:28
  Nero.
• 6:29
  And
• 6:29
  then
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  couple
• 6:30
  of
• 6:30
  days
• 6:30
  after
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  was
• 6:31
  going,
• 6:31
  it
• 6:31
  was
• 6:32
  pulled
• 6:32
  up
• 6:32
  outside.
• 6:32
  I
• 6:32
  remember
• 6:33
  exactly
• 6:33
  where
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  was.
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  was
• 6:34
  outside
• 6:34
  my
• 6:34
  great
• 6:34
  auntie's
• 6:35
  house
• 6:35
  waiting
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  go
• 6:35
  in,
• 6:36
  and
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  got
• 6:36
  an
• 6:36
  email,
• 6:37
  and
• 6:37
  it
• 6:37
  was
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  nicest
• 6:39
  email
• 6:40
  about
• 6:40
  myself
• 6:41
  that
• 6:41
  I've
• 6:41
  ever
• 6:42
  read
• 6:42
  from
• 6:43
  Steve.
• 6:44
  That
• 6:44
  was
• 6:45
  like,
• 6:45
  there's
• 6:45
  no
• 6:45
  one
• 6:45
  else
• 6:46
  that
• 6:46
  could
• 6:46
  take
• 6:46
  this
• 6:46
  job.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:47
  it
• 6:47
  was
• 6:48
  all
• 6:48
  about
• 6:49
  my
• 6:49
  care.
• 6:50
  The
• 6:51
  way
• 6:51
  that
• 6:51
  he
• 6:52
  knew
• 6:52
  that
• 6:53
  I
• 6:53
  would
• 6:53
  look
• 6:53
  after
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  team.
• 6:55
  Yeah,
• 6:55
  it
• 6:55
  was
• 6:56
  the
• 6:56
  nicest
• 6:56
  thing.
• 6:57
  I
• 6:57
  should
• 6:57
  have
• 6:57
  kept
• 6:57
  it.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  didn't
• 6:58
  see
• 6:58
  one
• 6:58
  of
• 6:58
  the.
• 6:59
  Things
• 6:59
  I
• 6:59
  Know
• 6:59
  that
• 6:59
  he
• 6:59
  shared
• 7:00
  a
• 7:00
  lot
• 7:00
  on
• 7:00
  events
• 7:00
  and
• 7:01
  things
• 7:01
  like
• 7:01
  that
• 7:01
  and
• 7:01
  on
• 7:01
  podcasts,
• 7:02
  is
• 7:02
  he
• 7:02
  has
• 7:03
  really
• 7:04
  gone
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  to
• 7:04
  share
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  value
• 7:06
  of.
• 7:06
  Of
• 7:06
  how
• 7:07
  Social
• 7:07
  Chain
• 7:07
  grew
• 7:08
  and
• 7:09
  that
• 7:09
  really,
• 7:09
  that
• 7:09
  that
• 7:10
  was
• 7:10
  all
• 7:10
  to
• 7:10
  do
• 7:10
  with
• 7:10
  the
• 7:11
  team
• 7:11
  that
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  formed.
• 7:12
  What
• 7:13
  was
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  difference
• 7:13
  in
• 7:14
  terms
• 7:14
  of,
• 7:14
  like,
• 7:14
  what.
• 7:14
  What
• 7:15
  made
• 7:15
  it
• 7:15
  special
• 7:15
  in
• 7:16
  terms
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  people
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  brought
• 7:17
  together?
• 7:17
  And
• 7:17
  why
• 7:17
  was
• 7:18
  Social
• 7:18
  Chain
• 7:19
  so
• 7:19
  special?
• 7:19
  Because
• 7:19
  there'll
• 7:20
  be
• 7:20
  people,
• 7:20
  you
• 7:21
  know,
• 7:21
  listening
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  this
• 7:21
  who
• 7:21
  maybe
• 7:22
  don't
• 7:22
  know
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  ins
• 7:23
  and
• 7:23
  outs
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  what
• 7:24
  Social
• 7:24
  Chain
• 7:25
  was
• 7:25
  and
• 7:25
  why
• 7:25
  it
• 7:25
  was
• 7:25
  so
• 7:26
  unique.
• 7:26
  It
• 7:26
  was
• 7:26
  just
• 7:27
  such
• 7:27
  an
• 7:27
  exciting
• 7:28
  place
• 7:28
  to
• 7:28
  be.
• 7:29
  And
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  think
• 7:29
  that
• 7:30
  was
• 7:30
  because
• 7:30
  it
• 7:30
  was
• 7:32
  a
• 7:32
  group
• 7:32
  of
• 7:33
  young,
• 7:33
  passionate
• 7:34
  people
• 7:34
  who
• 7:34
  wanted
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  do
• 7:35
  really
• 7:35
  good
• 7:35
  work
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  we
• 7:36
  were
• 7:37
  all
• 7:37
  on
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  same
• 7:37
  mission.
• 7:38
  And
• 7:38
  that's
• 7:39
  what
• 7:39
  made
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  work.
• 7:40
  It
• 7:40
  was,
• 7:40
  like,
• 7:42
  so
• 7:42
  fun.
• 7:43
  Every
• 7:43
  day
• 7:43
  something
• 7:44
  was
• 7:44
  going
• 7:44
  to
• 7:44
  happen.
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  remember
• 7:45
  in
• 7:45
  my
• 7:45
  first
• 7:46
  week,
• 7:46
  having
• 7:46
  done
• 7:47
  new
• 7:47
  business
• 7:48
  for
• 7:48
  an
• 7:48
  agency
• 7:49
  and
• 7:49
  having
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  bang
• 7:50
  on
• 7:50
  doors
• 7:51
  trying
• 7:51
  to
• 7:51
  get
• 7:51
  into
• 7:52
  anyone.
• 7:52
  And
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  my
• 7:53
  first
• 7:53
  week,
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  went
• 7:54
  down
• 7:54
  to
• 7:54
  London
• 7:55
  with
• 7:55
  Steve
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  we
• 7:55
  were
• 7:56
  at
• 7:56
  Coca
• 7:56
  Cola,
• 7:57
  Apple,
• 7:58
  New
• 7:58
  Look,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  can't
• 7:59
  remember
• 8:00
  where
• 8:00
  there
• 8:00
  was
• 8:00
  a
• 8:00
  few
• 8:00
  others.
• 8:01
  And
• 8:01
  I
• 8:01
  was
• 8:01
  like,
• 8:01
  these
• 8:01
  are
• 8:01
  the
• 8:02
  biggest
• 8:02
  brands
• 8:02
  in
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  world.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:03
  I've
• 8:04
  just
• 8:04
  walked
• 8:04
  in
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  door
• 8:05
  in
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  first
• 8:05
  week.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  knew
• 8:07
  then
• 8:07
  that
• 8:07
  there
• 8:07
  was
• 8:08
  something
• 8:08
  special
• 8:09
  about
• 8:09
  that
• 8:09
  place.
• 8:10
  There's
• 8:10
  just
• 8:11
  something
• 8:11
  like,
• 8:12
  you
• 8:12
  can't.
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  don't
• 8:13
  know
• 8:14
  if
• 8:14
  you
• 8:14
  could
• 8:14
  recreate
• 8:15
  that,
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  be
• 8:15
  honest.
• 8:16
  There
• 8:16
  was
• 8:16
  just
• 8:16
  a
• 8:16
  buzz
• 8:16
  and
• 8:16
  we
• 8:17
  just
• 8:17
  went
• 8:17
  with
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  motivation
• 8:19
  and
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  motion
• 8:19
  that
• 8:19
  happened.
• 8:20
  But
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  team,
• 8:21
  really
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  common
• 8:22
  denominator,
• 8:23
  we
• 8:23
  were
• 8:23
  all
• 8:23
  very
• 8:24
  different.
• 8:24
  A
• 8:24
  lot
• 8:24
  of
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  original
• 8:25
  team
• 8:26
  were
• 8:26
  all
• 8:26
  created
• 8:27
  as
• 8:27
  social
• 8:28
  natives.
• 8:28
  They
• 8:29
  were
• 8:29
  kids
• 8:30
  in
• 8:30
  their
• 8:30
  bedroom
• 8:30
  that
• 8:31
  started
• 8:31
  pages
• 8:31
  of
• 8:32
  influence
• 8:32
  on
• 8:32
  Twitter.
• 8:34
  They
• 8:34
  just
• 8:34
  knew
• 8:34
  social.
• 8:35
  They
• 8:35
  knew
• 8:36
  exactly
• 8:36
  what
• 8:36
  to
• 8:36
  do.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  I
• 8:37
  think
• 8:38
  where
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  managed
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  get
• 8:40
  it
• 8:40
  right
• 8:40
  is
• 8:41
  that
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  didn't
• 8:41
  try
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  come
• 8:42
  in
• 8:42
  and
• 8:42
  change
• 8:42
  that.
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  let
• 8:43
  them
• 8:44
  teach
• 8:44
  me
• 8:44
  how
• 8:45
  to
• 8:45
  do
• 8:45
  it
• 8:45
  because
• 8:45
  part
• 8:46
  of
• 8:46
  me
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  part
• 8:46
  of
• 8:47
  my
• 8:47
  values
• 8:47
  is
• 8:47
  learning.
• 8:48
  So
• 8:48
  I
• 8:48
  was
• 8:48
  just
• 8:48
  obsessed
• 8:49
  with
• 8:49
  understanding
• 8:50
  how
• 8:50
  they'd
• 8:50
  done
• 8:50
  it
• 8:51
  and
• 8:51
  then
• 8:52
  matching
• 8:52
  that
• 8:52
  up
• 8:53
  with
• 8:53
  people
• 8:53
  that
• 8:54
  I've
• 8:54
  worked
• 8:54
  with
• 8:55
  in
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  past
• 8:55
  that
• 8:55
  I
• 8:55
  loved
• 8:56
  working
• 8:56
  with.
• 8:57
  And
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  knew
• 8:57
  that
• 8:57
  I'd
• 8:57
  enjoy
• 8:58
  having
• 8:58
  working
• 8:59
  time
• 8:59
  with.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  my
• 9:00
  director's
• 9:01
  team
• 9:01
  was
• 9:01
  very
• 9:01
  much
• 9:01
  that.
• 9:02
  It
• 9:02
  was
• 9:02
  people
• 9:02
  that
• 9:02
  I'd
• 9:02
  worked
• 9:02
  with
• 9:03
  at
• 9:03
  Mediacom,
• 9:04
  and
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  loved
• 9:04
  it.
• 9:05
  And
• 9:05
  it
• 9:05
  was
• 9:05
  just
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  group
• 9:05
  of
• 9:06
  people
• 9:06
  who
• 9:06
  were
• 9:06
  really
• 9:07
  passionate
• 9:07
  about
• 9:07
  the
• 9:08
  company,
• 9:08
  the
• 9:09
  work.
• 9:09
  They
• 9:10
  just
• 9:10
  cared.
• 9:10
  We
• 9:11
  all
• 9:11
  cared.
• 9:11
  So
• 9:12
  seeing
• 9:13
  how
• 9:13
  fast
• 9:14
  Social
• 9:14
  Chain
• 9:14
  actually
• 9:15
  grew,
• 9:15
  we
• 9:16
  all
• 9:16
  assumed
• 9:16
  from
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  outside
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  all
• 9:17
  had
• 9:17
  your
• 9:17
  shit
• 9:18
  together
• 9:18
  and
• 9:19
  that
• 9:19
  all
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  processes
• 9:20
  are
• 9:20
  running
• 9:21
  smoothly.
• 9:22
  But
• 9:22
  you
• 9:22
  told
• 9:22
  me
• 9:22
  something
• 9:22
  yesterday
• 9:23
  about
• 9:23
  a
• 9:24
  telephone.
• 9:24
  Please
• 9:25
  share
• 9:25
  that
• 9:25
  story.
• 9:26
  It
• 9:26
  made
• 9:26
  me
• 9:26
  like
• 9:27
  we
• 9:28
  so
• 9:28
  did.
• 9:28
  Not
• 9:28
  have
• 9:29
  our
• 9:29
  shit
• 9:29
  together.
• 9:30
  It
• 9:30
  was
• 9:30
  honestly
• 9:31
  like
• 9:31
  every
• 9:31
  day
• 9:31
  was
• 9:32
  a
• 9:32
  learning.
• 9:32
  It
• 9:32
  was
• 9:33
  like
• 9:34
  every
• 9:34
  day
• 9:34
  was
• 9:34
  a
• 9:35
  new
• 9:35
  day.
• 9:37
  We
• 9:37
  were
• 9:37
  so
• 9:38
  fortunate.
• 9:38
  We
• 9:38
  never
• 9:39
  had
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  do
• 9:39
  any
• 9:39
  outbound
• 9:40
  new
• 9:41
  business
• 9:41
  because
• 9:42
  we,
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  notoriety
• 9:44
  and
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  work
• 9:44
  we
• 9:44
  were
• 9:44
  doing
• 9:45
  spoke
• 9:45
  for
• 9:45
  itself.
• 9:46
  So
• 9:47
  one
• 9:47
  day
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  sat
• 9:48
  in
• 9:48
  the
• 9:48
  office
• 9:48
  and
• 9:48
  I
• 9:49
  turned
• 9:49
  around
• 9:49
  and
• 9:49
  behind
• 9:49
  me
• 9:50
  was
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  phone.
• 9:50
  And
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  looked
• 9:51
  and
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  phone
• 9:51
  wasn't
• 9:52
  plugged
• 9:52
  in.
• 9:53
  I
• 9:54
  was
• 9:54
  like,
• 9:54
  excuse
• 9:55
  me,
• 9:55
  team,
• 9:55
  the
• 9:56
  phone's
• 9:56
  not
• 9:56
  plugged
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  here.
• 9:57
  We.
• 9:57
  And
• 9:57
  then
• 9:57
  we
• 9:57
  plugged
• 9:58
  it
• 9:58
  in.
• 9:58
  And
• 9:58
  literally
• 9:59
  not
• 10:00
  long
• 10:00
  after
• 10:00
  plugging
• 10:00
  that
• 10:00
  phone
• 10:01
  in,
• 10:01
  the
• 10:01
  phone
• 10:02
  rang.
• 10:02
  We
• 10:03
  answered
• 10:03
  it.
• 10:03
  It
• 10:03
  was
• 10:03
  Mercedes
• 10:04
  Benz.
• 10:05
  And
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  was
• 10:06
  just
• 10:06
  sat
• 10:07
  there
• 10:07
  thinking,
• 10:08
  dear
• 10:08
  God,
• 10:09
  I
• 10:09
  wonder
• 10:09
  what
• 10:09
  else
• 10:09
  we've
• 10:09
  missed
• 10:10
  by
• 10:10
  not
• 10:10
  having
• 10:11
  this
• 10:11
  phone
• 10:12
  plugged
• 10:12
  in.
• 10:13
  There
• 10:13
  was
• 10:13
  little
• 10:14
  things
• 10:14
  like
• 10:14
  that
• 10:14
  that
• 10:14
  we
• 10:14
  were
• 10:15
  just
• 10:15
  running
• 10:15
  at
• 10:16
  such
• 10:16
  speed.
• 10:16
  It's
• 10:17
  crazy.
• 10:17
  It's
• 10:17
  craziness,
• 10:18
  isn't
• 10:18
  it?
• 10:18
  And
• 10:18
  I
• 10:19
  think
• 10:19
  that
• 10:19
  is,
• 10:19
  like,
• 10:20
  that's
• 10:20
  part
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  the
• 10:21
  fun.
• 10:21
  And
• 10:21
  when
• 10:21
  I
• 10:22
  remember,
• 10:22
  like,
• 10:23
  looking
• 10:23
  at
• 10:23
  Social
• 10:23
  Chain,
• 10:24
  it
• 10:24
  was
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  agency.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:26
  what
• 10:26
  was
• 10:26
  unique
• 10:26
  is
• 10:27
  the
• 10:27
  agency
• 10:27
  wasn't
• 10:27
  in
• 10:28
  London
• 10:29
  and
• 10:29
  that
• 10:29
  was
• 10:29
  like.
• 10:30
  It
• 10:30
  was
• 10:30
  like
• 10:30
  the
• 10:30
  Northwest.
• 10:31
  And
• 10:31
  it
• 10:31
  was
• 10:31
  the
• 10:32
  positioner
• 10:32
  that
• 10:33
  digital
• 10:33
  and
• 10:34
  agencies
• 10:34
  had.
• 10:34
  So
• 10:35
  I'll
• 10:35
  remember
• 10:35
  that
• 10:35
  forever.
• 10:36
  One
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  reasons,
• 10:37
  obviously,
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  reached
• 10:38
  out
• 10:38
  to
• 10:38
  you
• 10:39
  was
• 10:39
  I'd
• 10:39
  listen
• 10:39
  to
• 10:39
  your
• 10:40
  podcast,
• 10:40
  which
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  love,
• 10:41
  and
• 10:42
  one
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  the
• 10:43
  things
• 10:43
  that
• 10:43
  really
• 10:44
  resonated
• 10:44
  with
• 10:44
  me
• 10:44
  and
• 10:45
  that
• 10:45
  I've
• 10:45
  experienced
• 10:46
  was
• 10:46
  imposter
• 10:46
  syndrome.
• 10:47
  And
• 10:47
  I
• 10:47
  truly
• 10:48
  believe
• 10:48
  that,
• 10:48
  you
• 10:48
  know,
• 10:49
  70%,
• 10:49
  if
• 10:49
  not
• 10:49
  more
• 10:50
  people
• 10:50
  have
• 10:50
  experienced,
• 10:50
  experienced
• 10:51
  it.
• 10:51
  I'm
• 10:52
  not
• 10:52
  sure
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  ever
• 10:52
  get
• 10:53
  over
• 10:53
  it,
• 10:54
  but
• 10:54
  I've
• 10:54
  learned
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  deal
• 10:55
  with
• 10:55
  it.
• 10:55
  And
• 10:55
  when
• 10:55
  I.
• 10:56
  I
• 10:56
  got
• 10:56
  my
• 10:56
  publishing
• 10:57
  contract,
• 10:57
  I
• 10:58
  really
• 10:58
  struggled
• 10:59
  with
• 10:59
  the
• 11:00
  fact
• 11:00
  that
• 11:00
  everyone
• 11:00
  was,
• 11:00
  like,
• 11:01
  celebrating
• 11:02
  this.
• 11:02
  And
• 11:03
  when
• 11:03
  I
• 11:03
  handed
• 11:03
  in
• 11:04
  my
• 11:04
  manuscript,
• 11:05
  I
• 11:05
  was
• 11:05
  like,
• 11:05
  what
• 11:06
  happens
• 11:06
  if
• 11:06
  no
• 11:06
  one
• 11:06
  buys
• 11:06
  it?
• 11:07
  You
• 11:07
  know,
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  mean,
• 11:08
  all
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  these
• 11:09
  things
• 11:09
  go
• 11:09
  through
• 11:09
  your
• 11:09
  mind
• 11:10
  and
• 11:10
  then,
• 11:10
  you
• 11:10
  know,
• 11:10
  then
• 11:10
  it
• 11:10
  hits
• 11:11
  bestseller
• 11:11
  and
• 11:11
  all
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  things
• 11:12
  happen.
• 11:13
  But
• 11:13
  when
• 11:14
  you
• 11:14
  got
• 11:14
  that
• 11:14
  MD
• 11:14
  job,
• 11:15
  what
• 11:15
  was
• 11:16
  that
• 11:16
  like
• 11:16
  in
• 11:16
  terms
• 11:16
  of,
• 11:17
  like,
• 11:17
  the
• 11:18
  mental
• 11:18
  struggle?
• 11:19
  Horrendous.
• 11:20
  Because
• 11:20
  if
• 11:20
  you
• 11:21
  think
• 11:21
  I
• 11:21
  went
• 11:21
  into
• 11:21
  that
• 11:22
  job
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  learn,
• 11:22
  I
• 11:22
  went
• 11:23
  into
• 11:23
  that
• 11:23
  company
• 11:23
  to
• 11:23
  learn
• 11:23
  about
• 11:24
  digital.
• 11:25
  And
• 11:25
  six
• 11:25
  months
• 11:25
  into
• 11:26
  learning
• 11:27
  about
• 11:27
  digital,
• 11:28
  which
• 11:28
  is
• 11:28
  quite
• 11:28
  a
• 11:28
  big,
• 11:29
  like,
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  lot
• 11:29
  to
• 11:30
  learn,
• 11:30
  I
• 11:31
  was
• 11:31
  running
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  company
• 11:33
  and
• 11:34
  I
• 11:35
  didn't
• 11:35
  know
• 11:36
  how
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  cope
• 11:37
  with
• 11:37
  it.
• 11:38
  I
• 11:38
  just
• 11:38
  was
• 11:38
  putting
• 11:39
  so
• 11:39
  much
• 11:39
  pressure
• 11:39
  on
• 11:40
  myself
• 11:40
  as
• 11:41
  I
• 11:41
  am
• 11:42
  leading
• 11:42
  these
• 11:43
  people.
• 11:43
  But
• 11:44
  I
• 11:44
  don't
• 11:44
  have
• 11:44
  a
• 11:44
  clue
• 11:45
  what.
• 11:45
  We
• 11:45
  do
• 11:46
  I
• 11:47
  love
• 11:47
  it.
• 11:47
  I
• 11:47
  love
• 11:47
  it.
• 11:48
  And
• 11:48
  I'm
• 11:48
  brutally
• 11:49
  honest
• 11:49
  about
• 11:50
  that
• 11:50
  as
• 11:50
  well.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:51
  it
• 11:51
  took
• 11:52
  me
• 11:52
  a
• 11:52
  while.
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  used
• 11:53
  to,
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  remember
• 11:54
  just
• 11:54
  sitting
• 11:54
  in
• 11:54
  meetings,
• 11:55
  hiding,
• 11:55
  like
• 11:56
  we'd
• 11:56
  be
• 11:56
  in
• 11:56
  client
• 11:57
  meetings.
• 11:57
  And
• 11:57
  I
• 11:57
  thought,
• 11:57
  I'm
• 11:57
  not
• 11:58
  going
• 11:58
  to
• 11:58
  say
• 11:58
  anything
• 11:58
  because
• 11:58
  I'm
• 11:58
  going
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  say
• 11:59
  something
• 11:59
  that's
• 11:59
  going
• 11:59
  to
• 12:00
  embarrass
• 12:00
  the
• 12:01
  name
• 12:01
  Social
• 12:02
  Chain.
• 12:02
  And
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  felt
• 12:03
  like
• 12:03
  I
• 12:04
  was
• 12:04
  a
• 12:05
  the
• 12:06
  name
• 12:06
  Social.
• 12:06
  I
• 12:07
  was
• 12:07
  representing
• 12:07
  the
• 12:08
  name
• 12:08
  Social
• 12:08
  Chain
• 12:08
  and
• 12:09
  I
• 12:09
  was
• 12:09
  representing
• 12:10
  Steve.
• 12:10
  And
• 12:11
  I
• 12:11
  thought,
• 12:11
  if
• 12:11
  I
• 12:11
  say
• 12:12
  something
• 12:12
  wrong,
• 12:12
  that's
• 12:12
  it,
• 12:13
  I've
• 12:13
  ruined
• 12:13
  it.
• 12:14
  I've
• 12:14
  wrecked
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  80s.
• 12:15
  The
• 12:16
  whole
• 12:16
  thing's
• 12:16
  gonna
• 12:16
  fall
• 12:16
  down.
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  love
• 12:17
  how
• 12:17
  dramatic
• 12:18
  we
• 12:18
  can
• 12:18
  be.
• 12:18
  Oh,
• 12:19
  no,
• 12:19
  this
• 12:19
  is
• 12:19
  it.
• 12:20
  I'm
• 12:20
  gonna
• 12:20
  break
• 12:20
  it.
• 12:21
  And
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  was
• 12:22
  very
• 12:23
  fortunate
• 12:23
  because
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  culture
• 12:25
  that
• 12:25
  we
• 12:25
  built
• 12:27
  had
• 12:27
  lots
• 12:27
  of
• 12:28
  elements
• 12:28
  to
• 12:29
  it
• 12:29
  that
• 12:30
  helped
• 12:30
  people.
• 12:31
  And
• 12:31
  one
• 12:31
  of
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  things,
• 12:32
  one
• 12:32
  of
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  benefits
• 12:33
  we
• 12:33
  had
• 12:33
  was
• 12:33
  a
• 12:33
  therapist.
• 12:35
  And
• 12:35
  I,
• 12:36
  I
• 12:36
  think
• 12:37
  I
• 12:37
  was
• 12:37
  talking
• 12:37
  to
• 12:37
  Steve
• 12:38
  about
• 12:38
  it
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  he
• 12:38
  said,
• 12:38
  go
• 12:39
  and
• 12:39
  see
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  therapist.
• 12:40
  Go
• 12:40
  and
• 12:40
  see
• 12:40
  what
• 12:40
  she
• 12:40
  says.
• 12:41
  So
• 12:41
  I
• 12:42
  went.
• 12:42
  I
• 12:42
  was
• 12:42
  also
• 12:42
  going
• 12:43
  through
• 12:43
  a
• 12:43
  breakup
• 12:43
  at
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  time,
• 12:44
  so
• 12:44
  my
• 12:44
  head
• 12:44
  was
• 12:44
  all
• 12:44
  over.
• 12:45
  You
• 12:45
  imagine
• 12:45
  getting
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  biggest
• 12:46
  job
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  your
• 12:46
  life,
• 12:47
  but
• 12:47
  also
• 12:47
  like
• 12:48
  losing
• 12:48
  a
• 12:48
  six
• 12:48
  year
• 12:49
  relationship
• 12:50
  at
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  same
• 12:50
  time.
• 12:51
  So
• 12:51
  my
• 12:52
  head
• 12:52
  was
• 12:52
  scrambled
• 12:53
  and
• 12:53
  it
• 12:53
  was
• 12:53
  like
• 12:54
  completely
• 12:54
  out
• 12:54
  the
• 12:55
  blue
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  me.
• 12:55
  That
• 12:55
  as
• 12:55
  well.
• 12:56
  So
• 12:56
  went
• 12:57
  to
• 12:57
  see
• 12:57
  the
• 12:57
  therapist,
• 12:58
  Karen.
• 12:59
  Forever
• 12:59
  grateful
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  Karen.
• 13:01
  She
• 13:01
  asked
• 13:01
  me,
• 13:02
  she
• 13:02
  was
• 13:02
  asking
• 13:02
  me
• 13:02
  questions
• 13:03
  about
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  role
• 13:03
  and
• 13:03
  she
• 13:03
  said,
• 13:04
  what
• 13:04
  do
• 13:04
  you
• 13:04
  think
• 13:04
  of
• 13:05
  when
• 13:05
  you
• 13:05
  think
• 13:05
  of
• 13:05
  a
• 13:05
  managing
• 13:06
  director?
• 13:07
  And
• 13:07
  I
• 13:08
  just
• 13:08
  sat
• 13:08
  there
• 13:08
  and
• 13:08
  I
• 13:08
  was
• 13:08
  like
• 13:10
  an
• 13:10
  old
• 13:11
  man
• 13:11
  in
• 13:11
  a
• 13:11
  grey
• 13:11
  suit
• 13:12
  sat
• 13:12
  in
• 13:12
  a
• 13:13
  corner.
• 13:14
  She
• 13:14
  just
• 13:14
  looked
• 13:14
  at
• 13:14
  me,
• 13:15
  she
• 13:15
  went,
• 13:15
  yeah,
• 13:15
  but
• 13:15
  you're
• 13:15
  not
• 13:16
  that,
• 13:16
  are
• 13:16
  you?
• 13:16
  And
• 13:16
  I
• 13:16
  was
• 13:17
  like,
• 13:17
  no.
• 13:18
  And
• 13:18
  that's
• 13:18
  where
• 13:18
  the
• 13:18
  disconnect
• 13:19
  is.
• 13:19
  Yeah.
• 13:20
  And
• 13:20
  that's
• 13:20
  where
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  imposter
• 13:21
  syndrome
• 13:21
  was,
• 13:22
  is
• 13:22
  my
• 13:22
  expectations
• 13:23
  of
• 13:23
  what
• 13:24
  I
• 13:24
  thought
• 13:24
  a
• 13:24
  managing
• 13:25
  director
• 13:25
  was
• 13:25
  and
• 13:25
  what
• 13:25
  the
• 13:26
  reality
• 13:26
  was
• 13:26
  of
• 13:27
  who
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  am.
• 13:28
  But
• 13:28
  she
• 13:29
  helped
• 13:29
  me
• 13:29
  break
• 13:29
  down
• 13:30
  what
• 13:30
  my
• 13:31
  skills
• 13:31
  were
• 13:31
  and
• 13:32
  why
• 13:32
  they
• 13:32
  gave
• 13:33
  me
• 13:33
  that
• 13:33
  role.
• 13:34
  Because
• 13:34
  even
• 13:34
  when
• 13:35
  Steve
• 13:35
  sent
• 13:35
  me
• 13:35
  that
• 13:36
  lovely
• 13:36
  email,
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  didn't
• 13:37
  believe
• 13:37
  it.
• 13:37
  I
• 13:38
  just
• 13:38
  thought,
• 13:38
  this
• 13:39
  is
• 13:39
  just
• 13:39
  madness.
• 13:40
  And
• 13:41
  then
• 13:41
  I
• 13:41
  really
• 13:42
  lent
• 13:42
  into
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  things
• 13:43
  that
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  knew
• 13:43
  that
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  could
• 13:44
  do
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  make
• 13:44
  change.
• 13:45
  And
• 13:45
  when
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  shared
• 13:45
  the
• 13:46
  numbers
• 13:46
  with
• 13:46
  me,
• 13:46
  like
• 13:47
  yesterday,
• 13:47
  you
• 13:47
  were
• 13:48
  talking
• 13:48
  at
• 13:48
  the
• 13:48
  event
• 13:49
  and
• 13:49
  you
• 13:49
  were
• 13:49
  our
• 13:50
  guest
• 13:50
  speaker,
• 13:50
  which
• 13:50
  was
• 13:50
  fabulous.
• 13:51
  But
• 13:51
  what
• 13:52
  were
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  numbers?
• 13:52
  Like,
• 13:52
  where
• 13:53
  did
• 13:53
  you
• 13:53
  take
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  agency
• 13:54
  to?
• 13:55
  Because
• 13:55
  this
• 13:55
  is
• 13:55
  mind
• 13:55
  blowing.
• 13:56
  Yeah.
• 13:56
  So
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  agency
• 13:58
  part,
• 13:58
  my
• 13:58
  part
• 13:59
  was
• 14:00
  when
• 14:00
  I
• 14:00
  started
• 14:00
  there,
• 14:01
  it
• 14:01
  was
• 14:01
  2
• 14:01
  million
• 14:01
  in
• 14:02
  revenue.
• 14:02
  And
• 14:03
  obviously
• 14:03
  being
• 14:03
  a
• 14:03
  startup,
• 14:04
  it
• 14:04
  wasn't
• 14:04
  making
• 14:05
  profit.
• 14:05
  And
• 14:06
  Then
• 14:06
  when
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  left,
• 14:07
  well,
• 14:07
  there
• 14:07
  was
• 14:07
  30
• 14:08
  people
• 14:08
  as
• 14:08
  well
• 14:08
  at
• 14:08
  that
• 14:09
  point,
• 14:09
  about
• 14:10
  30.
• 14:10
  When
• 14:10
  I
• 14:11
  left,
• 14:11
  it
• 14:11
  was
• 14:11
  130
• 14:12
  people,
• 14:13
  about
• 14:13
  15
• 14:14
  million
• 14:14
  in
• 14:14
  revenue.
• 14:15
  It
• 14:15
  doesn't
• 14:16
  seem
• 14:16
  real.
• 14:16
  And
• 14:17
  we
• 14:17
  were
• 14:17
  very
• 14:17
  healthy
• 14:18
  profit
• 14:18
  making.
• 14:18
  It's
• 14:19
  amazing,
• 14:19
  isn't
• 14:19
  it?
• 14:20
  And
• 14:20
  it's
• 14:20
  so
• 14:20
  inspiring
• 14:21
  because
• 14:21
  even
• 14:21
  in
• 14:22
  that
• 14:22
  time,
• 14:22
  women
• 14:23
  still
• 14:23
  were
• 14:23
  not
• 14:24
  leading
• 14:24
  in
• 14:24
  the
• 14:24
  digital
• 14:24
  space.
• 14:25
  I've
• 14:25
  worked
• 14:25
  in
• 14:25
  digital
• 14:25
  a
• 14:25
  long
• 14:26
  time
• 14:26
  and
• 14:27
  being
• 14:27
  passionate
• 14:27
  about
• 14:27
  bridging
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  skills
• 14:28
  gap,
• 14:29
  passionate
• 14:29
  about
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  gender
• 14:30
  pay
• 14:31
  gap.
• 14:31
  If
• 14:32
  this
• 14:32
  business
• 14:32
  was
• 14:33
  like,
• 14:33
  so
• 14:33
  amazing,
• 14:34
  people
• 14:34
  are
• 14:34
  going
• 14:34
  to
• 14:34
  ask
• 14:34
  the
• 14:35
  question,
• 14:35
  like,
• 14:35
  why
• 14:35
  did
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  leave?
• 14:36
  Honest
• 14:36
  answer.
• 14:38
  We
• 14:38
  constantly
• 14:39
  went
• 14:39
  for
• 14:39
  growth.
• 14:40
  Every
• 14:41
  year
• 14:41
  we
• 14:41
  went
• 14:41
  for
• 14:42
  growth.
• 14:42
  And
• 14:43
  it
• 14:43
  got
• 14:43
  to
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  point
• 14:44
  where
• 14:44
  I
• 14:44
  felt
• 14:45
  like
• 14:45
  I
• 14:45
  couldn't
• 14:46
  take
• 14:46
  it
• 14:46
  to
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  next
• 14:47
  level.
• 14:47
  I'd
• 14:48
  done
• 14:48
  six
• 14:48
  years,
• 14:49
  worked
• 14:50
  really
• 14:50
  hard
• 14:50
  in
• 14:51
  that
• 14:51
  time,
• 14:52
  helped
• 14:52
  to
• 14:52
  push
• 14:52
  what's
• 14:53
  next.
• 14:53
  What's
• 14:53
  next?
• 14:53
  And
• 14:54
  it
• 14:54
  was
• 14:54
  always,
• 14:54
  what's
• 14:54
  next?
• 14:55
  And
• 14:55
  I
• 14:56
  had
• 14:56
  to
• 14:56
  just
• 14:56
  be
• 14:56
  really
• 14:57
  brutally
• 14:57
  honest.
• 14:58
  And
• 14:58
  it
• 14:58
  was
• 14:59
  me
• 14:59
  and
• 14:59
  the
• 14:59
  two
• 14:59
  directors,
• 15:00
  or
• 15:00
  the
• 15:00
  two
• 15:00
  directors.
• 15:01
  We
• 15:01
  all
• 15:01
  handed
• 15:01
  our
• 15:01
  notice
• 15:02
  in
• 15:02
  on
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  same
• 15:02
  zoom
• 15:03
  call.
• 15:05
  Yeah,
• 15:05
  I
• 15:05
  know.
• 15:06
  I
• 15:06
  so
• 15:06
  wish
• 15:07
  I'd
• 15:07
  been
• 15:07
  on
• 15:07
  that.
• 15:07
  Call
• 15:07
  to
• 15:08
  see
• 15:08
  that
• 15:08
  we'd
• 15:08
  actually
• 15:09
  been
• 15:09
  axed,
• 15:09
  throwing
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  three
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  us
• 15:11
  and
• 15:11
  decided
• 15:11
  that
• 15:12
  we
• 15:12
  were
• 15:12
  gonna
• 15:12
  do
• 15:12
  it.
• 15:14
  Was
• 15:14
  there
• 15:15
  any
• 15:15
  alcohol
• 15:15
  in.
• 15:16
  Actually,
• 15:17
  that
• 15:17
  was
• 15:18
  before
• 15:18
  we'd
• 15:18
  even
• 15:18
  had
• 15:18
  a
• 15:18
  drink.
• 15:19
  And
• 15:19
  we
• 15:19
  were
• 15:19
  like,
• 15:19
  no,
• 15:19
  we're
• 15:19
  all
• 15:19
  really
• 15:20
  tired.
• 15:20
  But
• 15:21
  we
• 15:21
  all
• 15:21
  kind
• 15:22
  of
• 15:22
  said,
• 15:22
  like,
• 15:23
  we
• 15:23
  could
• 15:23
  have
• 15:24
  sat
• 15:24
  there
• 15:24
  and
• 15:24
  taken
• 15:24
  a
• 15:25
  really
• 15:25
  good
• 15:25
  wage
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  we
• 15:26
  could
• 15:26
  have
• 15:27
  carried
• 15:27
  on,
• 15:27
  but
• 15:28
  it
• 15:28
  wouldn't
• 15:28
  have
• 15:28
  been
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  right
• 15:29
  thing
• 15:29
  for
• 15:29
  the
• 15:29
  agency.
• 15:30
  It
• 15:30
  wouldn't
• 15:30
  have
• 15:30
  been
• 15:30
  the
• 15:31
  right
• 15:31
  thing
• 15:31
  for
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  team.
• 15:32
  They
• 15:32
  needed
• 15:33
  people
• 15:33
  to
• 15:33
  lead
• 15:33
  and
• 15:34
  push
• 15:34
  them.
• 15:34
  That's
• 15:34
  a
• 15:35
  brave
• 15:35
  move.
• 15:35
  Oh,
• 15:36
  but
• 15:37
  it
• 15:37
  felt
• 15:37
  right.
• 15:37
  Yeah.
• 15:38
  It
• 15:38
  didn't.
• 15:38
  It
• 15:38
  never
• 15:39
  felt
• 15:39
  like
• 15:39
  it
• 15:39
  was
• 15:39
  a
• 15:40
  silly
• 15:40
  move.
• 15:40
  It
• 15:41
  felt
• 15:41
  right.
• 15:41
  And
• 15:41
  there
• 15:41
  was
• 15:41
  something
• 15:42
  in
• 15:42
  me
• 15:42
  as
• 15:42
  well.
• 15:43
  That
• 15:43
  leading
• 15:44
  people
• 15:44
  and
• 15:44
  that
• 15:44
  many
• 15:45
  people
• 15:45
  for
• 15:45
  so
• 15:45
  long.
• 15:46
  I
• 15:46
  needed
• 15:47
  to
• 15:47
  get
• 15:47
  back
• 15:47
  into
• 15:47
  doing
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  work
• 15:48
  because
• 15:48
  I
• 15:49
  was
• 15:49
  so
• 15:49
  far
• 15:49
  removed
• 15:50
  from
• 15:50
  doing
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  do.
• 15:51
  I
• 15:52
  was
• 15:52
  doing
• 15:53
  all
• 15:53
  the
• 15:53
  people
• 15:53
  stuff.
• 15:53
  I
• 15:53
  was
• 15:54
  dealing
• 15:54
  with
• 15:54
  HR
• 15:55
  issues.
• 15:55
  There
• 15:55
  was.
• 15:56
  It
• 15:56
  was
• 15:56
  the
• 15:57
  middle
• 15:57
  of
• 15:57
  COVID
• 15:57
  as
• 15:58
  well.
• 15:58
  So
• 15:58
  it
• 15:58
  was
• 15:58
  like
• 15:58
  130
• 15:59
  people
• 15:59
  working
• 16:00
  in
• 16:00
  different
• 16:00
  environments,
• 16:01
  managing
• 16:02
  that,
• 16:03
  changing
• 16:03
  in
• 16:03
  how
• 16:03
  they
• 16:04
  saw
• 16:04
  our
• 16:04
  culture.
• 16:05
  And
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  just
• 16:06
  thought,
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  want
• 16:06
  to
• 16:07
  do
• 16:07
  work
• 16:07
  again.
• 16:08
  I
• 16:08
  want
• 16:08
  to
• 16:08
  do
• 16:08
  the
• 16:09
  nice
• 16:09
  stuff
• 16:09
  again.
• 16:10
  So,
• 16:10
  yeah,
• 16:10
  it
• 16:11
  didn't
• 16:11
  feel
• 16:11
  scary,
• 16:12
  it
• 16:12
  just
• 16:12
  felt
• 16:12
  right.
• 16:13
  So
• 16:13
  what
• 16:13
  did
• 16:13
  life
• 16:14
  look
• 16:14
  like
• 16:14
  then
• 16:15
  after
• 16:15
  Social
• 16:15
  Chain?
• 16:16
  What
• 16:16
  was
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  next
• 16:16
  move?
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  had
• 16:18
  met
• 16:18
  Gary
• 16:18
  Neville
• 16:19
  while
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  was
• 16:20
  at
• 16:20
  Social
• 16:20
  Chain
• 16:21
  because
• 16:21
  of
• 16:21
  my
• 16:22
  LinkedIn.
• 16:22
  It's
• 16:23
  so
• 16:23
  weird
• 16:23
  how
• 16:24
  things
• 16:24
  happen
• 16:24
  Isn't
• 16:25
  it?
• 16:25
  So
• 16:26
  built
• 16:26
  my
• 16:26
  LinkedIn,
• 16:26
  I'm
• 16:27
  nearly
• 16:27
  on
• 16:27
  70,000
• 16:28
  followers
• 16:28
  now,
• 16:28
  which
• 16:29
  is
• 16:29
  amazing.
• 16:30
  Just
• 16:30
  picked
• 16:30
  it
• 16:30
  back
• 16:31
  up
• 16:31
  again,
• 16:31
  so
• 16:31
  hopefully
• 16:31
  that'll
• 16:32
  continue
• 16:32
  to
• 16:32
  grow.
• 16:33
  And
• 16:34
  Gary
• 16:34
  had
• 16:34
  got
• 16:34
  in
• 16:34
  touch
• 16:35
  through
• 16:35
  a
• 16:36
  Sky
• 16:36
  bet,
• 16:36
  which
• 16:36
  was
• 16:36
  a
• 16:36
  client
• 16:37
  of
• 16:37
  Social
• 16:37
  Chain,
• 16:38
  and
• 16:39
  obviously
• 16:39
  they
• 16:39
  work
• 16:40
  closely.
• 16:40
  Gary
• 16:41
  wanted
• 16:41
  to
• 16:41
  start
• 16:41
  his
• 16:41
  LinkedIn.
• 16:42
  So
• 16:43
  we
• 16:43
  had
• 16:44
  sat
• 16:44
  in
• 16:44
  my
• 16:45
  house
• 16:45
  on
• 16:45
  a
• 16:46
  Zoom
• 16:46
  call
• 16:46
  with
• 16:46
  Gary
• 16:47
  Neville
• 16:47
  and
• 16:47
  all
• 16:47
  of
• 16:47
  his
• 16:48
  team.
• 16:48
  I'm
• 16:48
  thinking,
• 16:48
  what
• 16:49
  is
• 16:49
  this?
• 16:49
  Was
• 16:50
  Fozzie
• 16:50
  there
• 16:50
  as
• 16:50
  well?
• 16:51
  No,
• 16:51
  this
• 16:51
  was
• 16:51
  Pre.
• 16:52
  Oh,
• 16:52
  pre
• 16:52
  Fozzie,
• 16:52
  was
• 16:53
  it?
• 16:53
  Pre
• 16:53
  Foz.
• 16:54
  Yeah,
• 16:54
  Pre
• 16:54
  Foz.
• 16:55
  Got
• 16:56
  this
• 16:56
  call,
• 16:56
  had
• 16:57
  a
• 16:57
  call,
• 16:57
  and
• 16:57
  then
• 16:57
  Gary
• 16:58
  said,
• 16:58
  would
• 16:59
  Social
• 16:59
  chain
• 16:59
  manage
• 17:00
  my
• 17:00
  LinkedIn,
• 17:00
  help
• 17:01
  me
• 17:01
  with
• 17:01
  my
• 17:01
  personal
• 17:01
  brand?
• 17:02
  And
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  said,
• 17:03
  no.
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  said
• 17:04
  no,
• 17:04
  because
• 17:05
  it
• 17:05
  wasn't
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  right
• 17:05
  business
• 17:06
  model
• 17:06
  for
• 17:06
  Social
• 17:06
  Chain.
• 17:07
  It
• 17:07
  wasn't
• 17:07
  a
• 17:07
  way
• 17:07
  that
• 17:07
  we
• 17:07
  could
• 17:08
  make
• 17:08
  money
• 17:08
  out
• 17:08
  of,
• 17:09
  and
• 17:09
  also
• 17:10
  we
• 17:10
  wouldn't
• 17:10
  have
• 17:11
  done
• 17:11
  a
• 17:11
  good
• 17:11
  job.
• 17:12
  And
• 17:13
  in
• 17:13
  doing
• 17:13
  that,
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  introduced
• 17:14
  him
• 17:14
  to
• 17:15
  someone
• 17:15
  else
• 17:15
  who's
• 17:15
  now
• 17:16
  still
• 17:16
  doing
• 17:16
  his
• 17:16
  personal
• 17:17
  brand
• 17:17
  with
• 17:17
  him.
• 17:18
  But
• 17:18
  I
• 17:18
  think
• 17:19
  me
• 17:19
  saying
• 17:20
  no
• 17:20
  and
• 17:20
  being
• 17:20
  honest
• 17:21
  with
• 17:21
  him,
• 17:21
  we
• 17:22
  kind
• 17:22
  of
• 17:22
  bonded
• 17:22
  a
• 17:22
  little
• 17:23
  bit
• 17:23
  over
• 17:23
  that.
• 17:23
  It's
• 17:24
  integrity,
• 17:24
  it's
• 17:24
  honesty
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  people
• 17:25
  respect
• 17:25
  that.
• 17:26
  Right?
• 17:26
  Yeah,
• 17:26
  yeah.
• 17:27
  And
• 17:27
  I
• 17:27
  would
• 17:27
  never
• 17:28
  try
• 17:28
  and
• 17:28
  do
• 17:29
  something
• 17:29
  that
• 17:29
  we
• 17:29
  couldn't
• 17:30
  just
• 17:30
  because
• 17:30
  it's
• 17:30
  Gary
• 17:31
  Neville.
• 17:32
  Also,
• 17:32
  I'm
• 17:32
  an
• 17:32
  Oldham
• 17:33
  fan,
• 17:33
  so
• 17:33
  it
• 17:33
  didn't
• 17:33
  bother
• 17:34
  me
• 17:34
  at
• 17:34
  all.
• 17:36
  But
• 17:37
  he.
• 17:37
  We
• 17:38
  had
• 17:38
  a
• 17:38
  conversation
• 17:38
  and
• 17:39
  he
• 17:39
  was
• 17:39
  saying
• 17:40
  they
• 17:40
  were
• 17:40
  struggling
• 17:40
  with
• 17:40
  growing
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  fan
• 17:41
  base
• 17:41
  at
• 17:41
  Salford
• 17:42
  City.
• 17:43
  And
• 17:44
  I've
• 17:44
  been
• 17:44
  going
• 17:44
  to
• 17:45
  watch
• 17:45
  Oldham
• 17:45
  since
• 17:45
  I
• 17:45
  was
• 17:46
  6
• 17:46
  years
• 17:46
  old
• 17:46
  with
• 17:46
  my
• 17:46
  dad,
• 17:47
  and
• 17:48
  he
• 17:48
  said,
• 17:48
  do
• 17:48
  you
• 17:48
  want
• 17:48
  to
• 17:48
  do
• 17:48
  a
• 17:48
  bit
• 17:49
  of
• 17:49
  a
• 17:49
  project,
• 17:49
  a
• 17:49
  consultancy
• 17:50
  project?
• 17:51
  And
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  just
• 17:52
  thought,
• 17:52
  yeah,
• 17:53
  this
• 17:53
  is
• 17:53
  going
• 17:53
  to
• 17:53
  give
• 17:53
  me
• 17:54
  that
• 17:54
  fire
• 17:54
  of
• 17:54
  doing
• 17:55
  the
• 17:55
  do
• 17:55
  again
• 17:56
  in
• 17:56
  an
• 17:56
  area
• 17:57
  that
• 17:57
  I'm
• 17:57
  actually
• 17:57
  really
• 17:58
  passionate
• 17:58
  about.
• 17:59
  So
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  did
• 18:00
  a
• 18:00
  project
• 18:00
  for
• 18:00
  him
• 18:01
  how
• 18:01
  to
• 18:01
  grow
• 18:01
  their
• 18:01
  social,
• 18:02
  how
• 18:02
  to
• 18:02
  grow
• 18:02
  their
• 18:03
  marketing
• 18:03
  and
• 18:03
  ways
• 18:04
  to
• 18:04
  live
• 18:05
  as
• 18:05
  a
• 18:05
  football
• 18:05
  club
• 18:05
  in
• 18:05
  a
• 18:06
  digital
• 18:06
  age.
• 18:07
  And
• 18:07
  I
• 18:07
  just
• 18:08
  loved
• 18:08
  the
• 18:08
  process.
• 18:10
  I
• 18:10
  was
• 18:10
  presenting
• 18:11
  it.
• 18:11
  This
• 18:11
  was
• 18:11
  after
• 18:11
  I'd
• 18:12
  already
• 18:12
  handed
• 18:12
  my
• 18:13
  notice
• 18:13
  in.
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  was
• 18:14
  presenting
• 18:14
  it
• 18:14
  back
• 18:14
  to
• 18:15
  him
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  he
• 18:15
  just
• 18:15
  said,
• 18:15
  why
• 18:15
  don't
• 18:15
  you
• 18:15
  just
• 18:16
  come
• 18:16
  and
• 18:16
  do
• 18:16
  this
• 18:16
  for
• 18:17
  a
• 18:17
  job?
• 18:18
  And
• 18:18
  it
• 18:18
  was
• 18:18
  actually
• 18:19
  my
• 18:19
  dad
• 18:19
  that
• 18:19
  sold
• 18:20
  it
• 18:20
  to
• 18:20
  me
• 18:20
  because
• 18:21
  I
• 18:21
  was
• 18:21
  talking
• 18:21
  to
• 18:21
  dad
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  he
• 18:22
  just
• 18:22
  said,
• 18:23
  you're
• 18:23
  going
• 18:23
  to
• 18:23
  help
• 18:23
  kids
• 18:24
  have
• 18:24
  dreams
• 18:24
  like
• 18:24
  you
• 18:24
  did
• 18:25
  going
• 18:25
  to
• 18:25
  Boundary
• 18:25
  park
• 18:26
  when
• 18:26
  you
• 18:26
  were
• 18:26
  little.
• 18:26
  Oh,
• 18:26
  that's
• 18:27
  just
• 18:27
  giving
• 18:27
  me
• 18:27
  chills.
• 18:27
  Yeah,
• 18:28
  I
• 18:28
  know.
• 18:28
  That
• 18:28
  is
• 18:28
  powerful.
• 18:29
  Yeah,
• 18:29
  I
• 18:29
  know.
• 18:30
  Yeah.
• 18:30
  And
• 18:31
  Gary
• 18:31
  could
• 18:31
  have
• 18:31
  said
• 18:32
  anything
• 18:32
  to
• 18:32
  me,
• 18:32
  but
• 18:32
  my
• 18:33
  dad
• 18:33
  so
• 18:33
  sold
• 18:33
  that
• 18:33
  job
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  me.
• 18:34
  So,
• 18:35
  yeah,
• 18:35
  I
• 18:35
  did
• 18:36
  that.
• 18:36
  I
• 18:36
  did
• 18:37
  head
• 18:37
  up
• 18:37
  Salford
• 18:38
  City
• 18:38
  team,
• 18:39
  media
• 18:39
  team
• 18:39
  and
• 18:40
  also
• 18:40
  was
• 18:41
  on
• 18:41
  the
• 18:41
  overlap,
• 18:42
  which
• 18:42
  was
• 18:43
  just
• 18:43
  the
• 18:43
  best
• 18:44
  experience.
• 18:45
  Gary's
• 18:46
  YouTube.
• 18:46
  That's
• 18:46
  his
• 18:46
  YouTube
• 18:47
  channel.
• 18:47
  Yeah,
• 18:48
  yeah.
• 18:48
  So
• 18:48
  Gary's
• 18:49
  obviously
• 18:49
  really
• 18:49
  well
• 18:50
  known
• 18:50
  as
• 18:50
  being
• 18:50
  on
• 18:50
  Sky
• 18:50
  Sports
• 18:51
  and
• 18:51
  things
• 18:51
  like
• 18:51
  that,
• 18:51
  but
• 18:52
  wanted
• 18:52
  his
• 18:52
  own
• 18:52
  media
• 18:53
  platform
• 18:53
  that
• 18:53
  he
• 18:54
  could
• 18:54
  own
• 18:54
  and
• 18:54
  have
• 18:55
  conversations.
• 18:55
  So,
• 18:56
  yeah,
• 18:56
  the
• 18:56
  overlap
• 18:56
  was
• 18:57
  born
• 18:57
  and
• 18:58
  managed
• 18:58
  to
• 18:58
  help
• 18:59
  launch
• 18:59
  Stick
• 18:59
  to
• 18:59
  Football,
• 19:00
  which
• 19:00
  is
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  one
• 19:00
  where
• 19:01
  he's
• 19:01
  sat
• 19:01
  around
• 19:01
  the
• 19:02
  table
• 19:02
  with
• 19:02
  Roy
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  Gary.
• 19:04
  Jamie,
• 19:05
  Ian
• 19:06
  and
• 19:06
  Jill
• 19:07
  met
• 19:07
  David
• 19:07
  Beckham
• 19:08
  got
• 19:08
  a
• 19:08
  hug.
• 19:09
  Was
• 19:09
  that
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  highlight?
• 19:10
  It
• 19:10
  really
• 19:10
  was,
• 19:10
  yeah.
• 19:11
  Don't
• 19:12
  tell
• 19:12
  Gary
• 19:12
  that.
• 19:13
  I'm
• 19:13
  sure
• 19:14
  he's
• 19:14
  not
• 19:14
  going
• 19:14
  to
• 19:14
  be
• 19:14
  listening.
• 19:15
  Hi,
• 19:15
  Gary.
• 19:16
  So
• 19:17
  in,
• 19:17
  in
• 19:17
  terms
• 19:18
  of
• 19:18
  obviously
• 19:18
  social
• 19:19
  chain,
• 19:19
  I
• 19:19
  think
• 19:19
  another
• 19:20
  burning
• 19:20
  question
• 19:20
  people
• 19:21
  will
• 19:21
  have
• 19:21
  is
• 19:21
  like,
• 19:22
  what
• 19:22
  is
• 19:22
  Stephen
• 19:23
  like
• 19:23
  as
• 19:23
  a
• 19:23
  person
• 19:24
  and
• 19:24
  what
• 19:24
  is
• 19:24
  he
• 19:24
  like
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  work
• 19:25
  with?
• 19:25
  I
• 19:26
  mean,
• 19:26
  you
• 19:26
  shared
• 19:26
  some
• 19:26
  things
• 19:26
  yesterday
• 19:27
  which
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  just
• 19:27
  found
• 19:27
  fascinating.
• 19:28
  Fascinating
• 19:28
  about
• 19:29
  his
• 19:29
  like
• 19:29
  inner
• 19:29
  psyche
• 19:30
  and
• 19:30
  personality
• 19:31
  and,
• 19:31
  and
• 19:32
  why
• 19:32
  he
• 19:32
  was
• 19:33
  so
• 19:34
  prevalent
• 19:34
  in
• 19:35
  being
• 19:35
  able
• 19:35
  to
• 19:35
  scale
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  business.
• 19:36
  I
• 19:37
  think
• 19:37
  there's
• 19:37
  something
• 19:37
  about
• 19:39
  vision
• 19:39
  driven
• 19:40
  entrepreneurs.
• 19:41
  They've
• 19:41
  all
• 19:41
  got
• 19:41
  a
• 19:41
  similar
• 19:42
  trait.
• 19:42
  Gary's
• 19:42
  very
• 19:43
  similar.
• 19:44
  They
• 19:44
  know
• 19:44
  the
• 19:45
  next
• 19:45
  thing
• 19:45
  before
• 19:45
  anyone
• 19:46
  else.
• 19:46
  It's
• 19:47
  like
• 19:47
  a
• 19:47
  weird.
• 19:49
  They
• 19:49
  just
• 19:49
  are
• 19:50
  knowing.
• 19:51
  And
• 19:51
  Steve
• 19:52
  just
• 19:52
  pushed
• 19:53
  us
• 19:53
  constantly
• 19:54
  to
• 19:55
  move
• 19:55
  fast
• 19:56
  and
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  get
• 19:56
  stuff
• 19:57
  done,
• 19:57
  but
• 19:58
  in
• 19:58
  a
• 19:58
  direction
• 19:59
  that
• 19:59
  he
• 19:59
  knew
• 19:59
  was
• 19:59
  going
• 20:00
  to
• 20:00
  be
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  next
• 20:00
  big
• 20:00
  thing.
• 20:01
  And
• 20:01
  I
• 20:01
  don't
• 20:02
  think
• 20:02
  I've
• 20:02
  experienced
• 20:03
  many
• 20:03
  people
• 20:03
  that
• 20:03
  have
• 20:03
  got
• 20:04
  that
• 20:04
  gift.
• 20:04
  You
• 20:04
  said
• 20:04
  he
• 20:05
  was
• 20:05
  quite
• 20:05
  science
• 20:05
  driven,
• 20:06
  like
• 20:06
  he
• 20:06
  was
• 20:06
  really
• 20:06
  into
• 20:06
  the
• 20:06
  numbers
• 20:07
  and
• 20:07
  the
• 20:07
  data,
• 20:08
  loves
• 20:08
  data.
• 20:09
  So
• 20:09
  if
• 20:09
  you
• 20:10
  watch
• 20:11
  Steve
• 20:12
  and
• 20:12
  watch
• 20:12
  what
• 20:12
  they're
• 20:13
  doing,
• 20:13
  they'll
• 20:14
  do
• 20:14
  stuff,
• 20:15
  they'll
• 20:15
  test
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  lot
• 20:17
  until
• 20:17
  they
• 20:17
  get
• 20:17
  it
• 20:18
  right
• 20:18
  and
• 20:18
  then
• 20:18
  they'll
• 20:18
  repeat
• 20:19
  that
• 20:19
  for
• 20:19
  a
• 20:19
  while
• 20:19
  and
• 20:20
  then
• 20:20
  they'll
• 20:20
  test
• 20:20
  something
• 20:21
  else.
• 20:21
  He
• 20:21
  never
• 20:22
  settles.
• 20:22
  He'll
• 20:23
  constantly
• 20:23
  be
• 20:23
  testing.
• 20:24
  And
• 20:24
  that's
• 20:25
  what
• 20:25
  I
• 20:25
  loved
• 20:25
  about
• 20:25
  it,
• 20:26
  because
• 20:26
  you
• 20:26
  knew
• 20:27
  that
• 20:27
  it
• 20:27
  was
• 20:28
  fun
• 20:28
  stuff
• 20:29
  but
• 20:30
  really
• 20:30
  backed
• 20:30
  by
• 20:31
  an
• 20:31
  understanding
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  what
• 20:32
  was
• 20:32
  going
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  work.
• 20:33
  And
• 20:33
  for
• 20:34
  me,
• 20:34
  having
• 20:35
  gone
• 20:35
  from
• 20:35
  big
• 20:36
  agency
• 20:36
  networks
• 20:37
  where
• 20:37
  it
• 20:37
  was
• 20:37
  like
• 20:38
  trying
• 20:38
  to
• 20:38
  move
• 20:38
  an
• 20:38
  oil
• 20:39
  tanker
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  get
• 20:39
  anything
• 20:40
  done,
• 20:41
  make
• 20:41
  any
• 20:41
  change,
• 20:42
  going
• 20:42
  into
• 20:42
  a
• 20:43
  place
• 20:43
  there
• 20:44
  where
• 20:44
  you
• 20:45
  could
• 20:45
  make
• 20:46
  a
• 20:46
  change
• 20:46
  and
• 20:46
  it
• 20:46
  was
• 20:46
  happening
• 20:47
  the
• 20:47
  next
• 20:47
  day
• 20:48
  was
• 20:48
  just
• 20:48
  so
• 20:49
  fun
• 20:49
  and
• 20:49
  it
• 20:50
  was
• 20:50
  great.
• 20:50
  And
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  think
• 20:50
  I've
• 20:51
  taken
• 20:51
  that
• 20:51
  into
• 20:52
  every
• 20:52
  business
• 20:52
  I've
• 20:52
  been
• 20:53
  into.
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  hate
• 20:54
  sitting
• 20:54
  and
• 20:54
  slowness
• 20:55
  now,
• 20:56
  can't
• 20:56
  cope
• 20:56
  with
• 20:57
  things
• 20:57
  being
• 20:57
  slow.
• 20:58
  I
• 20:58
  have
• 20:58
  to
• 20:58
  like
• 20:58
  get
• 20:59
  stuff
• 20:59
  done.
• 21:00
  And
• 21:00
  I
• 21:01
  think
• 21:01
  that's
• 21:01
  definitely
• 21:01
  from
• 21:01
  him.
• 21:02
  So
• 21:02
  obviously
• 21:02
  being
• 21:03
  very
• 21:03
  career
• 21:03
  driven,
• 21:04
  being
• 21:04
  super
• 21:04
  successful,
• 21:05
  which
• 21:05
  obviously
• 21:06
  you
• 21:06
  struggled
• 21:06
  to
• 21:06
  connect
• 21:07
  with,
• 21:08
  haven't
• 21:08
  we
• 21:08
  all
• 21:08
  been
• 21:09
  there.
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  don't
• 21:09
  know
• 21:09
  what
• 21:10
  you're
• 21:10
  talking
• 21:10
  about.
• 21:10
  Dawn,
• 21:11
  but
• 21:11
  we've
• 21:11
  all
• 21:11
  been
• 21:12
  there.
• 21:12
  You
• 21:12
  know,
• 21:12
  I
• 21:12
  think
• 21:12
  it
• 21:12
  was
• 21:12
  a
• 21:13
  really
• 21:13
  fascinating
• 21:13
  conversation.
• 21:14
  We
• 21:14
  had
• 21:14
  this
• 21:14
  yesterday,
• 21:14
  today
• 21:15
  about
• 21:15
  having
• 21:15
  the
• 21:16
  disconnect
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  not
• 21:17
  embracing
• 21:18
  when
• 21:18
  people
• 21:19
  from
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  outside
• 21:19
  are
• 21:19
  seeing
• 21:20
  this
• 21:20
  super
• 21:20
  successful
• 21:21
  woman
• 21:21
  who
• 21:21
  is
• 21:22
  showing
• 21:22
  up,
• 21:22
  making
• 21:23
  changes,
• 21:24
  leading,
• 21:24
  you
• 21:24
  know,
• 21:24
  a
• 21:25
  groundbreaking
• 21:25
  agency,
• 21:26
  you.
• 21:26
  You
• 21:27
  didn't
• 21:27
  feel
• 21:27
  that.
• 21:27
  And
• 21:28
  obviously
• 21:29
  I've
• 21:29
  been
• 21:29
  through
• 21:30
  experiences
• 21:30
  where
• 21:31
  I
• 21:31
  did
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  lot
• 21:31
  from
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  age
• 21:32
  of
• 21:32
  21.
• 21:33
  People
• 21:33
  would
• 21:33
  say
• 21:33
  it,
• 21:34
  I
• 21:34
  just.
• 21:34
  And
• 21:34
  I
• 21:35
  never
• 21:35
  landed.
• 21:35
  I
• 21:35
  never
• 21:36
  felt
• 21:36
  it
• 21:36
  until
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  did
• 21:37
  some
• 21:38
  work
• 21:38
  on
• 21:38
  my
• 21:38
  values.
• 21:39
  I
• 21:39
  understood
• 21:39
  what
• 21:39
  motivated
• 21:40
  me
• 21:40
  because
• 21:40
  it
• 21:40
  wasn't
• 21:41
  money,
• 21:41
  it
• 21:41
  wasn't
• 21:41
  all
• 21:41
  of
• 21:41
  those
• 21:42
  things.
• 21:42
  It
• 21:42
  was
• 21:43
  more
• 21:43
  about
• 21:43
  enrichment
• 21:43
  and
• 21:44
  experiences.
• 21:45
  What
• 21:45
  has
• 21:46
  changed
• 21:46
  in
• 21:47
  terms
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  person
• 21:47
  you
• 21:48
  were
• 21:48
  then
• 21:49
  to
• 21:49
  understanding
• 21:50
  who
• 21:50
  you
• 21:50
  are
• 21:50
  now?
• 21:51
  Oh,
• 21:52
  everything.
• 21:53
  Everything.
• 21:54
  I
• 21:54
  have
• 21:54
  been
• 21:55
  through
• 21:55
  quite
• 21:56
  a
• 21:56
  journey
• 21:56
  with
• 21:57
  therapy
• 21:58
  and
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  think
• 21:58
  I.
• 22:00
  Before
• 22:00
  I
• 22:00
  went
• 22:01
  through
• 22:01
  that
• 22:01
  journey,
• 22:01
  I
• 22:01
  was
• 22:02
  making
• 22:02
  every
• 22:02
  decision
• 22:02
  based
• 22:03
  on
• 22:03
  what
• 22:03
  other
• 22:03
  people
• 22:03
  wanted,
• 22:05
  like
• 22:05
  my
• 22:05
  family
• 22:05
  background.
• 22:06
  My
• 22:06
  dad
• 22:06
  broke
• 22:06
  his
• 22:07
  back
• 22:07
  just
• 22:07
  before
• 22:07
  I
• 22:08
  was
• 22:08
  born
• 22:09
  and
• 22:09
  was
• 22:09
  in
• 22:10
  a
• 22:10
  plaster
• 22:10
  cast
• 22:10
  from
• 22:10
  under
• 22:11
  his
• 22:11
  armpit
• 22:11
  to
• 22:11
  the
• 22:12
  bottom
• 22:12
  of
• 22:12
  his
• 22:12
  back.
• 22:13
  And
• 22:13
  forever,
• 22:14
  like
• 22:14
  since
• 22:15
  when
• 22:16
  I
• 22:16
  was
• 22:16
  born
• 22:16
  till
• 22:16
  now,
• 22:17
  has
• 22:17
  really
• 22:17
  struggled
• 22:18
  with
• 22:18
  that.
• 22:18
  We've
• 22:19
  been
• 22:19
  through
• 22:19
  numerous
• 22:19
  operations
• 22:20
  and
• 22:21
  my
• 22:21
  mum
• 22:21
  had
• 22:22
  quite
• 22:22
  a
• 22:22
  difficult
• 22:22
  time
• 22:22
  with
• 22:23
  her
• 22:23
  career.
• 22:24
  So
• 22:24
  I
• 22:24
  never
• 22:25
  really
• 22:26
  put
• 22:26
  myself.
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  was
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  fixer.
• 22:28
  That's
• 22:28
  what
• 22:28
  I
• 22:28
  figured
• 22:28
  out
• 22:29
  through
• 22:29
  therapy.
• 22:30
  I
• 22:30
  was
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  one
• 22:30
  that
• 22:30
  wasn't
• 22:31
  going
• 22:31
  to
• 22:31
  cause
• 22:31
  trouble.
• 22:31
  I
• 22:32
  wasn't
• 22:32
  going
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  like
• 22:34
  be
• 22:34
  the
• 22:34
  center
• 22:35
  of
• 22:35
  attention.
• 22:35
  All
• 22:36
  my
• 22:36
  concerns
• 22:37
  were
• 22:37
  always
• 22:37
  around
• 22:38
  making
• 22:38
  sure
• 22:38
  everything
• 22:39
  was
• 22:39
  all
• 22:39
  right.
• 22:40
  So
• 22:40
  much
• 22:40
  so
• 22:41
  that
• 22:41
  every
• 22:41
  birthday
• 22:42
  when
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  blew
• 22:43
  out
• 22:43
  the
• 22:43
  candles,
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  always
• 22:44
  wished
• 22:44
  that
• 22:44
  my
• 22:44
  dad's
• 22:44
  back
• 22:45
  would
• 22:45
  get
• 22:45
  better.
• 22:45
  It
• 22:46
  was
• 22:46
  never
• 22:46
  about
• 22:46
  me,
• 22:46
  it
• 22:47
  was
• 22:47
  always
• 22:47
  about
• 22:47
  that.
• 22:48
  So.
• 22:49
  And
• 22:49
  that
• 22:49
  isn't
• 22:49
  even
• 22:50
  an
• 22:50
  exaggeration,
• 22:50
  that's
• 22:50
  the
• 22:51
  truth
• 22:51
  from
• 22:51
  a
• 22:51
  very.
• 22:52
  Since
• 22:52
  I
• 22:52
  can
• 22:52
  remember
• 22:53
  doing
• 22:53
  birthday
• 22:54
  cakes,
• 22:54
  that's
• 22:54
  what
• 22:54
  I'd
• 22:54
  wish
• 22:55
  for.
• 22:55
  And
• 22:56
  I
• 22:57
  think
• 22:57
  that's
• 22:57
  just
• 22:57
  what
• 22:58
  I've
• 22:58
  been
• 22:59
  conditioned
• 22:59
  and
• 23:00
  the
• 23:00
  way
• 23:00
  that
• 23:00
  I've
• 23:00
  just
• 23:01
  live
• 23:01
  my
• 23:01
  life
• 23:02
  is
• 23:02
  based
• 23:02
  on
• 23:02
  what
• 23:03
  everyone
• 23:03
  else
• 23:03
  needs
• 23:03
  from
• 23:04
  me,
• 23:04
  not
• 23:04
  what
• 23:05
  I
• 23:05
  actually
• 23:05
  need.
• 23:06
  And
• 23:07
  I
• 23:08
  don't
• 23:08
  know
• 23:08
  what
• 23:08
  changed.
• 23:09
  I
• 23:09
  think
• 23:10
  my
• 23:11
  personal
• 23:11
  life
• 23:11
  and
• 23:12
  my
• 23:12
  relationships
• 23:13
  have
• 23:13
  just
• 23:13
  been
• 23:14
  so
• 23:14
  bad.
• 23:14
  I'm
• 23:14
  terrible.
• 23:15
  It's
• 23:15
  been
• 23:15
  awful
• 23:16
  that
• 23:17
  I
• 23:17
  decided
• 23:17
  that
• 23:18
  I
• 23:18
  needed
• 23:18
  to
• 23:18
  do
• 23:18
  something
• 23:19
  because
• 23:20
  I
• 23:20
  couldn't
• 23:20
  keep
• 23:20
  doing
• 23:21
  the
• 23:21
  same.
• 23:22
  I
• 23:22
  couldn't
• 23:22
  keep
• 23:22
  feeling
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  heartbreak
• 23:23
  every
• 23:24
  time.
• 23:25
  So
• 23:25
  I,
• 23:25
  I
• 23:26
  think
• 23:26
  I
• 23:26
  stopped,
• 23:27
  took
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  step
• 23:27
  back,
• 23:28
  started
• 23:29
  thinking
• 23:29
  about
• 23:29
  what
• 23:30
  I
• 23:30
  wanted
• 23:30
  and
• 23:31
  what
• 23:31
  I
• 23:31
  needed
• 23:32
  and
• 23:32
  that
• 23:33
  people
• 23:33
  pleaser
• 23:33
  now
• 23:34
  is
• 23:34
  still
• 23:35
  there.
• 23:35
  But
• 23:35
  it's
• 23:35
  fading
• 23:36
  away.
• 23:37
  And
• 23:37
  that's
• 23:37
  when
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  did
• 23:38
  my
• 23:38
  work
• 23:38
  on
• 23:38
  my
• 23:38
  own
• 23:38
  values.
• 23:39
  And
• 23:40
  it
• 23:40
  was
• 23:40
  that
• 23:40
  that
• 23:41
  made
• 23:41
  me
• 23:41
  realize
• 23:42
  that
• 23:42
  a
• 23:42
  lot
• 23:42
  of
• 23:42
  my
• 23:43
  decisions
• 23:43
  have
• 23:43
  been
• 23:43
  based
• 23:44
  on
• 23:44
  my
• 23:44
  values.
• 23:44
  I
• 23:44
  just
• 23:44
  didn't
• 23:45
  realize
• 23:45
  it.
• 23:46
  And
• 23:46
  now
• 23:46
  I
• 23:46
  can
• 23:47
  actually
• 23:47
  move
• 23:47
  in
• 23:48
  a
• 23:48
  way
• 23:48
  and
• 23:49
  I
• 23:49
  can
• 23:49
  turn
• 23:49
  up
• 23:49
  in
• 23:50
  relationships
• 23:50
  and
• 23:50
  I
• 23:50
  can
• 23:51
  put
• 23:51
  boundaries
• 23:51
  in
• 23:52
  based
• 23:52
  on
• 23:53
  me
• 23:53
  and
• 23:53
  my
• 23:54
  values.
• 23:54
  And
• 23:55
  that
• 23:55
  is
• 23:55
  something
• 23:55
  I'm
• 23:56
  really
• 23:56
  passionate
• 23:56
  about
• 23:57
  sharing
• 23:57
  with
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  world
• 23:58
  as
• 23:58
  well
• 23:58
  now
• 23:58
  because
• 23:58
  I
• 23:58
  just
• 23:59
  don't
• 23:59
  think
• 23:59
  it's
• 23:59
  really
• 24:00
  talked
• 24:00
  about
• 24:00
  that
• 24:01
  much
• 24:01
  or
• 24:01
  how
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  find
• 24:02
  them.
• 24:02
  I
• 24:02
  think
• 24:02
  this
• 24:02
  is
• 24:02
  it.
• 24:03
  And
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  think
• 24:03
  there's
• 24:03
  also
• 24:04
  pressure
• 24:04
  like
• 24:04
  being
• 24:04
  in
• 24:05
  the
• 24:05
  corporate
• 24:06
  and
• 24:06
  the
• 24:07
  online
• 24:07
  space,
• 24:08
  you
• 24:08
  know,
• 24:08
  this
• 24:08
  whole
• 24:09
  kind
• 24:09
  of,
• 24:10
  I
• 24:11
  suppose,
• 24:11
  outside
• 24:12
  looking
• 24:12
  in
• 24:12
  what
• 24:13
  they
• 24:13
  see
• 24:14
  versus
• 24:14
  reality.
• 24:15
  And
• 24:15
  I
• 24:15
  think,
• 24:15
  you
• 24:15
  know
• 24:16
  what,
• 24:16
  what
• 24:16
  is
• 24:16
  improving
• 24:17
  is
• 24:17
  we're
• 24:17
  talking
• 24:17
  about
• 24:18
  things
• 24:18
  more
• 24:18
  as
• 24:18
  female
• 24:19
  entrepreneurs.
• 24:20
  Do
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  think
• 24:21
  that
• 24:21
  being
• 24:21
  so
• 24:21
  focused
• 24:22
  on
• 24:22
  your
• 24:22
  career
• 24:23
  took
• 24:23
  a
• 24:23
  toll
• 24:24
  on
• 24:24
  your
• 24:24
  personal
• 24:24
  life?
• 24:25
  Do
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  think
• 24:25
  that
• 24:26
  you
• 24:26
  were
• 24:26
  more
• 24:26
  focused
• 24:26
  on
• 24:27
  career
• 24:27
  than
• 24:28
  looking
• 24:28
  at
• 24:28
  what
• 24:28
  you
• 24:29
  actually
• 24:29
  really
• 24:29
  wanted?
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  think
• 24:31
  my
• 24:31
  career
• 24:32
  has
• 24:32
  always
• 24:32
  been
• 24:32
  a
• 24:32
  flow,
• 24:33
  so
• 24:34
  I've
• 24:34
  never
• 24:34
  really
• 24:35
  had
• 24:35
  to
• 24:35
  try.
• 24:36
  Not
• 24:37
  I
• 24:37
  work
• 24:37
  hard,
• 24:38
  don't
• 24:38
  get
• 24:38
  me
• 24:38
  wrong.
• 24:38
  But
• 24:38
  it's
• 24:39
  not
• 24:39
  been
• 24:39
  a
• 24:39
  conscious
• 24:40
  effort
• 24:40
  to
• 24:40
  be
• 24:40
  like,
• 24:40
  right,
• 24:41
  I'm
• 24:41
  going
• 24:41
  to
• 24:41
  be
• 24:41
  md.
• 24:42
  It's
• 24:42
  evolved.
• 24:42
  It's
• 24:43
  evolved.
• 24:44
  Whereas
• 24:44
  I
• 24:44
  feel
• 24:45
  like
• 24:45
  my
• 24:45
  personal
• 24:45
  life.
• 24:46
  Has
• 24:46
  been
• 24:46
  a
• 24:47
  slog,
• 24:48
  an
• 24:49
  uphill
• 24:49
  bloody
• 24:49
  battle.
• 24:50
  Yeah,
• 24:50
  I
• 24:50
  mean,
• 24:50
  we've
• 24:51
  all
• 24:51
  been
• 24:51
  there,
• 24:51
  right?
• 24:51
  And
• 24:52
  I
• 24:52
  think
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  thing
• 24:52
  is,
• 24:54
  try.
• 24:54
  Dating
• 24:55
  in
• 24:55
  your
• 24:55
  40s.
• 24:55
  Honestly,
• 24:56
  it's
• 24:56
  horrible.
• 24:57
  Have
• 24:57
  you
• 24:57
  done
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  online?
• 24:58
  Yeah,
• 24:58
  I'm
• 24:59
  on
• 24:59
  Raya.
• 25:00
  I
• 25:01
  don't
• 25:01
  like.
• 25:01
  I
• 25:02
  just
• 25:02
  don't
• 25:02
  like
• 25:02
  it.
• 25:02
  It's
• 25:03
  weird.
• 25:03
  Like
• 25:03
  I
• 25:03
  think
• 25:03
  back,
• 25:04
  I
• 25:04
  mean,
• 25:04
  I've
• 25:04
  been
• 25:04
  in
• 25:04
  a
• 25:04
  relationship
• 25:05
  for
• 25:05
  like
• 25:05
  12
• 25:05
  years,
• 25:06
  but
• 25:07
  even
• 25:07
  back
• 25:07
  then,
• 25:07
  because
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  was
• 25:08
  like,
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  know,
• 25:09
  30s,
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  ended
• 25:10
  up
• 25:10
  meeting
• 25:11
  my
• 25:11
  partner
• 25:11
  on
• 25:11
  a
• 25:11
  trampoline
• 25:12
  through
• 25:12
  friends
• 25:13
  barbecue
• 25:14
  and
• 25:14
  then
• 25:14
  proceeded
• 25:14
  to
• 25:15
  maybe
• 25:15
  have
• 25:15
  a
• 25:15
  few
• 25:16
  drinks.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:16
  it
• 25:16
  evolved
• 25:17
  from
• 25:17
  there.
• 25:17
  But
• 25:18
  I
• 25:18
  can't
• 25:18
  imagine
• 25:19
  like
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  online
• 25:19
  dating
• 25:20
  thing.
• 25:20
  And
• 25:21
  you
• 25:21
  know,
• 25:21
  for
• 25:21
  me
• 25:21
  it
• 25:21
  was
• 25:22
  like
• 25:22
  you'd
• 25:22
  go
• 25:22
  to
• 25:22
  bars,
• 25:23
  you
• 25:23
  would
• 25:23
  meet
• 25:23
  people
• 25:23
  in
• 25:24
  real
• 25:24
  life,
• 25:25
  it's
• 25:25
  a
• 25:25
  whole
• 25:26
  different
• 25:26
  spectrum.
• 25:26
  And
• 25:27
  I
• 25:27
  sound
• 25:27
  ancient
• 25:27
  now
• 25:28
  to
• 25:28
  anyone
• 25:28
  who's
• 25:28
  listening
• 25:28
  in
• 25:28
  the
• 25:29
  20s,
• 25:29
  but
• 25:30
  it's
• 25:31
  daunting.
• 25:32
  So
• 25:32
  how
• 25:32
  do
• 25:32
  you
• 25:32
  even
• 25:33
  navigate
• 25:33
  that?
• 25:36
  I
• 25:36
  mean,
• 25:36
  I'd
• 25:36
  like
• 25:36
  some
• 25:37
  help.
• 25:37
  You
• 25:37
  don't
• 25:38
  really.
• 25:38
  No
• 25:38
  one
• 25:38
  talks
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  each
• 25:39
  other
• 25:39
  anymore
• 25:39
  when
• 25:39
  you're
• 25:40
  out,
• 25:40
  you
• 25:40
  don't.
• 25:40
  It's
• 25:40
  not
• 25:41
  the
• 25:41
  same.
• 25:41
  The
• 25:41
  connections
• 25:42
  aren't
• 25:42
  the
• 25:42
  same.
• 25:43
  And
• 25:43
  then
• 25:43
  even
• 25:43
  online,
• 25:44
  it's
• 25:44
  a
• 25:44
  real
• 25:44
  struggle
• 25:44
  to
• 25:45
  try
• 25:45
  and
• 25:45
  build
• 25:45
  meaningful
• 25:46
  Connections.
• 25:46
  Because
• 25:48
  it's
• 25:48
  so
• 25:48
  easy
• 25:48
  just
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  go
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  next
• 25:49
  person
• 25:50
  if
• 25:50
  someone
• 25:50
  doesn't
• 25:51
  give
• 25:51
  you
• 25:51
  what
• 25:51
  you
• 25:51
  want
• 25:51
  in
• 25:52
  that
• 25:52
  instant.
• 25:53
  So
• 25:54
  I.
• 25:55
  That's
• 25:55
  why
• 25:55
  I'm
• 25:55
  not
• 25:55
  really
• 25:56
  on
• 25:56
  online
• 25:56
  dating,
• 25:57
  because
• 25:57
  I
• 25:57
  felt
• 25:57
  like
• 25:58
  it
• 25:58
  was
• 25:58
  ruining
• 25:59
  my
• 25:59
  own
• 25:59
  self
• 25:59
  esteem.
• 25:59
  It's
• 25:59
  very
• 26:00
  transient,
• 26:00
  isn't
• 26:00
  it?
• 26:00
  It's
• 26:01
  very
• 26:01
  thick.
• 26:02
  Yeah,
• 26:02
  it
• 26:02
  is.
• 26:03
  And
• 26:03
  it
• 26:03
  makes
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  think
• 26:04
  you're
• 26:04
  not
• 26:04
  good
• 26:04
  enough
• 26:04
  because
• 26:05
  someone
• 26:05
  can
• 26:05
  quickly
• 26:06
  just
• 26:06
  ghost
• 26:06
  you
• 26:06
  because
• 26:07
  they're
• 26:07
  talking
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  someone.
• 26:08
  Else
• 26:08
  and
• 26:08
  there's
• 26:09
  how
• 26:09
  many
• 26:09
  conversations
• 26:10
  they're
• 26:10
  having.
• 26:10
  Oh,
• 26:11
  I
• 26:11
  know.
• 26:11
  I
• 26:11
  mean,
• 26:12
  there
• 26:12
  could
• 26:12
  be
• 26:12
  like
• 26:12
  900.
• 26:13
  And
• 26:14
  then
• 26:14
  I
• 26:14
  always
• 26:14
  think
• 26:14
  about,
• 26:15
  what's
• 26:15
  that
• 26:15
  program?
• 26:16
  The
• 26:16
  MTV
• 26:17
  Catfish.
• 26:17
  Oh,
• 26:18
  God.
• 26:18
  I
• 26:19
  always
• 26:19
  think
• 26:19
  about
• 26:19
  that
• 26:20
  and
• 26:20
  think,
• 26:20
  is
• 26:20
  that
• 26:20
  who
• 26:21
  you're
• 26:21
  really
• 26:21
  speaking
• 26:21
  to?
• 26:22
  And
• 26:22
  the
• 26:22
  thing
• 26:22
  is,
• 26:23
  is
• 26:23
  we've
• 26:23
  been
• 26:24
  bred
• 26:24
  now
• 26:24
  to
• 26:24
  have
• 26:24
  this
• 26:25
  distrust.
• 26:26
  And
• 26:26
  whereas
• 26:27
  it
• 26:27
  did
• 26:27
  seem
• 26:27
  a
• 26:27
  lot
• 26:28
  simpler,
• 26:28
  like
• 26:28
  you
• 26:28
  would
• 26:28
  swap
• 26:29
  a
• 26:29
  number
• 26:29
  and
• 26:30
  like
• 26:30
  you'd
• 26:30
  meet
• 26:31
  up,
• 26:31
  now
• 26:32
  there's
• 26:32
  a
• 26:32
  lot
• 26:32
  more
• 26:33
  kind
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  moving
• 26:33
  parts
• 26:33
  that
• 26:34
  go
• 26:34
  with
• 26:34
  it.
• 26:35
  So
• 26:36
  what
• 26:36
  do
• 26:36
  you
• 26:36
  see
• 26:37
  for
• 26:37
  you
• 26:38
  then,
• 26:38
  like
• 26:38
  in
• 26:39
  the
• 26:39
  next
• 26:39
  sort
• 26:39
  of,
• 26:39
  you
• 26:40
  know,
• 26:40
  between
• 26:41
  now,
• 26:41
  in
• 26:41
  next
• 26:41
  year?
• 26:42
  What.
• 26:42
  What's
• 26:42
  going
• 26:42
  to
• 26:42
  be
• 26:42
  the
• 26:43
  big
• 26:43
  pivotal
• 26:43
  changes
• 26:44
  in
• 26:44
  life
• 26:44
  and
• 26:44
  business?
• 26:45
  In
• 26:45
  life.
• 26:45
  I
• 26:46
  want
• 26:46
  to.
• 26:46
  I
• 26:46
  think
• 26:46
  I've
• 26:47
  been
• 26:47
  so
• 26:47
  focused
• 26:48
  on
• 26:48
  hitting
• 26:48
  targets
• 26:49
  and
• 26:50
  doing
• 26:50
  things
• 26:50
  to
• 26:51
  get
• 26:51
  a
• 26:51
  company
• 26:51
  to
• 26:52
  where
• 26:52
  it
• 26:52
  needs
• 26:52
  to
• 26:52
  be
• 26:53
  that
• 26:53
  I
• 26:53
  want
• 26:53
  to
• 26:54
  now
• 26:54
  spend
• 26:54
  the
• 26:54
  time
• 26:54
  on
• 26:55
  hitting
• 26:55
  my
• 26:55
  own
• 26:56
  targets,
• 26:56
  personal
• 26:57
  targets,
• 26:58
  honestly.
• 26:58
  Brutal
• 26:59
  honesty,
• 26:59
  finding
• 27:00
  someone
• 27:00
  to
• 27:00
  share
• 27:00
  that
• 27:00
  with
• 27:01
  is
• 27:01
  part
• 27:01
  of
• 27:01
  my
• 27:01
  plan.
• 27:02
  Like
• 27:02
  I
• 27:02
  want
• 27:03
  a
• 27:03
  partner.
• 27:03
  I
• 27:03
  want
• 27:03
  to
• 27:03
  be
• 27:04
  with
• 27:04
  someone
• 27:04
  that
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  can
• 27:05
  celebrate
• 27:05
  my
• 27:06
  successes
• 27:06
  with
• 27:06
  and
• 27:07
  enjoy
• 27:08
  life.
• 27:08
  I've
• 27:08
  got
• 27:09
  Fozzie,
• 27:09
  but
• 27:09
  Fuzzy,
• 27:10
  well,
• 27:10
  he'll.
• 27:10
  Have
• 27:10
  to
• 27:10
  approve
• 27:11
  of.
• 27:11
  Make
• 27:12
  sure
• 27:12
  Fuzzy
• 27:12
  needs
• 27:13
  a
• 27:13
  dad.
• 27:13
  Yeah,
• 27:13
  but
• 27:14
  he'll
• 27:14
  need
• 27:14
  to
• 27:14
  make
• 27:14
  sure
• 27:14
  he's
• 27:15
  fully
• 27:15
  vetted.
• 27:16
  Yeah.
• 27:16
  100.
• 27:17
  But
• 27:18
  not
• 27:18
  putting
• 27:18
  so
• 27:18
  much
• 27:19
  pressure
• 27:19
  on
• 27:19
  myself
• 27:19
  that
• 27:20
  I
• 27:20
  settle
• 27:20
  either.
• 27:20
  I
• 27:20
  think
• 27:21
  it's
• 27:21
  very
• 27:21
  important
• 27:21
  for
• 27:22
  me
• 27:22
  now
• 27:22
  that
• 27:23
  I'm
• 27:23
  of
• 27:23
  an
• 27:23
  age
• 27:23
  where
• 27:24
  I
• 27:24
  don't
• 27:24
  have
• 27:24
  to
• 27:25
  settle
• 27:25
  and
• 27:25
  I
• 27:25
  can
• 27:26
  make
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  right
• 27:26
  choices
• 27:27
  for
• 27:27
  me
• 27:27
  so
• 27:27
  that
• 27:28
  I
• 27:28
  want
• 27:28
  to
• 27:28
  put
• 27:28
  some
• 27:28
  time,
• 27:29
  like
• 27:29
  conscious
• 27:31
  time
• 27:31
  into
• 27:31
  that
• 27:32
  and
• 27:32
  then
• 27:33
  also
• 27:34
  really
• 27:34
  just
• 27:35
  do
• 27:35
  work
• 27:35
  that
• 27:35
  brings
• 27:36
  me
• 27:36
  joy
• 27:37
  with
• 27:37
  my
• 27:38
  own
• 27:38
  coach.
• 27:39
  Just
• 27:39
  when
• 27:40
  things
• 27:40
  were
• 27:40
  changing
• 27:41
  and
• 27:41
  I
• 27:41
  was
• 27:41
  deciding
• 27:42
  to
• 27:42
  go
• 27:42
  into
• 27:42
  being
• 27:43
  on
• 27:43
  my
• 27:43
  own
• 27:43
  and
• 27:43
  being
• 27:43
  a
• 27:44
  consultant,
• 27:45
  he
• 27:45
  said
• 27:45
  to
• 27:45
  me,
• 27:46
  you're
• 27:46
  now
• 27:46
  at
• 27:46
  a
• 27:47
  point
• 27:47
  where
• 27:47
  you
• 27:47
  can
• 27:47
  just
• 27:48
  choose
• 27:48
  businesses
• 27:48
  to
• 27:49
  work
• 27:49
  with,
• 27:49
  where
• 27:49
  you're
• 27:49
  going
• 27:49
  to
• 27:50
  have
• 27:50
  fun.
• 27:50
  That's
• 27:50
  a
• 27:50
  whole
• 27:51
  revelation,
• 27:51
  isn't
• 27:51
  it,
• 27:51
  Whether
• 27:52
  you've
• 27:52
  just.
• 27:52
  Just
• 27:52
  thinking
• 27:53
  about
• 27:53
  that
• 27:53
  and
• 27:53
  it
• 27:53
  landing.
• 27:54
  It's
• 27:54
  like,
• 27:54
  yeah,
• 27:55
  now
• 27:55
  is
• 27:55
  my
• 27:55
  time
• 27:56
  now
• 27:56
  Is
• 27:56
  the.
• 27:56
  The
• 27:56
  shift.
• 27:57
  Have
• 27:57
  you
• 27:58
  experienced
• 27:58
  much
• 27:59
  in
• 27:59
  terms
• 27:59
  of
• 28:00
  judgment,
• 28:01
  in
• 28:01
  terms
• 28:01
  of
• 28:02
  societal
• 28:03
  guidelines,
• 28:04
  in
• 28:05
  terms
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  ages,
• 28:06
  what
• 28:07
  we
• 28:07
  should
• 28:07
  be
• 28:07
  doing,
• 28:08
  marriages,
• 28:09
  babies,
• 28:10
  all
• 28:10
  of
• 28:10
  that
• 28:10
  jazz?
• 28:11
  I
• 28:11
  don't
• 28:12
  know
• 28:12
  if
• 28:12
  I've
• 28:12
  had
• 28:12
  it
• 28:13
  on
• 28:14
  me,
• 28:14
  but
• 28:14
  I've
• 28:15
  given
• 28:15
  it
• 28:15
  to
• 28:15
  myself.
• 28:17
  So
• 28:17
  I'm
• 28:17
  still.
• 28:18
  I'm
• 28:18
  really
• 28:19
  fortunate
• 28:19
  that
• 28:19
  I'm
• 28:19
  really
• 28:20
  close
• 28:20
  with
• 28:20
  my
• 28:20
  friends
• 28:20
  that
• 28:21
  I
• 28:21
  went
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  school
• 28:21
  with.
• 28:22
  And
• 28:22
  there's
• 28:22
  a
• 28:22
  group
• 28:22
  of
• 28:22
  four
• 28:23
  of
• 28:23
  us.
• 28:24
  They're
• 28:25
  all
• 28:25
  married
• 28:25
  with
• 28:26
  kids,
• 28:26
  and
• 28:26
  they
• 28:26
  all
• 28:26
  did
• 28:26
  it
• 28:27
  around
• 28:27
  the
• 28:27
  same
• 28:27
  time.
• 28:28
  And
• 28:29
  I
• 28:29
  still
• 28:29
  was,
• 28:30
  like,
• 28:30
  flapping
• 28:31
  around,
• 28:32
  messing
• 28:32
  about,
• 28:33
  trying
• 28:33
  to
• 28:33
  figure
• 28:33
  out
• 28:33
  what
• 28:34
  I
• 28:34
  wanted
• 28:34
  and
• 28:35
  who
• 28:35
  I
• 28:35
  was.
• 28:36
  And
• 28:36
  at
• 28:37
  that
• 28:37
  time,
• 28:37
  I
• 28:38
  remember
• 28:38
  feeling
• 28:39
  so
• 28:39
  lonely
• 28:40
  because
• 28:41
  they
• 28:41
  were
• 28:41
  all
• 28:41
  off
• 28:42
  having
• 28:42
  babies
• 28:43
  and
• 28:43
  they
• 28:43
  were
• 28:43
  all
• 28:43
  off
• 28:44
  on
• 28:44
  a
• 28:44
  Monday
• 28:45
  so
• 28:45
  they
• 28:45
  could
• 28:45
  all
• 28:45
  do
• 28:46
  something
• 28:46
  together.
• 28:46
  And
• 28:46
  I
• 28:47
  wasn't
• 28:47
  there
• 28:47
  because
• 28:47
  I
• 28:48
  was
• 28:48
  in
• 28:48
  work.
• 28:49
  And
• 28:49
  I
• 28:49
  think
• 28:50
  in
• 28:50
  my
• 28:51
  20s
• 28:51
  and
• 28:52
  30s,
• 28:53
  middle
• 28:53
  30s
• 28:54
  probably,
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  really
• 28:55
  struggled
• 28:55
  with
• 28:55
  that,
• 28:56
  and
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  struggled
• 28:56
  with
• 28:56
  not
• 28:57
  having
• 28:57
  what
• 28:57
  everyone
• 28:58
  else,
• 28:58
  what
• 28:58
  you
• 28:59
  should
• 28:59
  have,
• 29:00
  and
• 29:00
  turning
• 29:00
  40
• 29:01
  now
• 29:01
  and
• 29:01
  not
• 29:02
  having
• 29:02
  kids.
• 29:02
  It
• 29:03
  does
• 29:03
  play
• 29:03
  on
• 29:03
  your
• 29:03
  mind.
• 29:04
  It
• 29:04
  does.
• 29:04
  That
• 29:04
  clock
• 29:05
  is
• 29:05
  very
• 29:05
  real.
• 29:06
  But
• 29:06
  I
• 29:06
  also
• 29:07
  don't
• 29:07
  know
• 29:07
  if
• 29:07
  I'm
• 29:08
  right
• 29:09
  to
• 29:09
  be
• 29:09
  a
• 29:09
  mom
• 29:10
  or
• 29:10
  if
• 29:10
  I
• 29:10
  want
• 29:11
  to
• 29:11
  be
• 29:11
  a
• 29:11
  mom.
• 29:11
  It's
• 29:12
  really
• 29:12
  honest
• 29:12
  to.
• 29:12
  To
• 29:13
  open
• 29:13
  up
• 29:13
  to
• 29:13
  that,
• 29:13
  because
• 29:14
  I
• 29:14
  think
• 29:14
  a
• 29:14
  lot
• 29:14
  of
• 29:14
  people
• 29:14
  just
• 29:15
  assume
• 29:15
  that
• 29:15
  it
• 29:15
  is,
• 29:15
  like,
• 29:16
  that's
• 29:16
  the
• 29:16
  natural
• 29:16
  cycle
• 29:17
  for
• 29:17
  me.
• 29:18
  I
• 29:18
  chose
• 29:18
  not
• 29:18
  to
• 29:18
  have
• 29:18
  children,
• 29:19
  and
• 29:20
  I
• 29:20
  get
• 29:20
  asked
• 29:20
  a
• 29:20
  lot.
• 29:21
  You
• 29:21
  know,
• 29:21
  I.
• 29:21
  I've
• 29:21
  been
• 29:21
  with
• 29:22
  partner
• 29:22
  a
• 29:22
  long
• 29:22
  time,
• 29:22
  not
• 29:23
  married,
• 29:24
  just
• 29:24
  never
• 29:24
  had
• 29:24
  the
• 29:24
  desire.
• 29:25
  And
• 29:25
  again,
• 29:25
  with
• 29:26
  children,
• 29:26
  I
• 29:26
  just,
• 29:27
  again,
• 29:27
  it
• 29:27
  wasn't
• 29:28
  something
• 29:28
  that
• 29:28
  I
• 29:28
  was
• 29:29
  passionate
• 29:29
  about.
• 29:29
  And
• 29:30
  I
• 29:30
  think
• 29:31
  people
• 29:31
  struggle
• 29:31
  to
• 29:31
  understand
• 29:32
  that
• 29:32
  in
• 29:32
  reverse
• 29:33
  because
• 29:33
  society's
• 29:34
  conditioned
• 29:34
  us,
• 29:35
  and
• 29:35
  I
• 29:35
  think
• 29:35
  it
• 29:35
  is
• 29:35
  tough.
• 29:36
  We
• 29:36
  put
• 29:36
  these
• 29:37
  timelines
• 29:37
  on
• 29:37
  ourselves,
• 29:38
  we
• 29:38
  put
• 29:39
  these
• 29:39
  societal
• 29:40
  pressures
• 29:40
  on
• 29:40
  ourselves,
• 29:41
  even
• 29:41
  if
• 29:41
  no
• 29:41
  one
• 29:41
  else
• 29:42
  is.
• 29:43
  So
• 29:44
  we
• 29:44
  have
• 29:44
  the
• 29:44
  right
• 29:44
  to
• 29:45
  choose.
• 29:45
  And
• 29:45
  I
• 29:45
  think
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  thing
• 29:46
  is,
• 29:46
  it's
• 29:46
  a
• 29:46
  bit
• 29:46
  like
• 29:46
  your
• 29:46
  career.
• 29:47
  You
• 29:47
  talk
• 29:47
  about
• 29:47
  it
• 29:47
  evolves.
• 29:48
  I
• 29:48
  feel
• 29:48
  like
• 29:48
  that's
• 29:49
  what
• 29:49
  life
• 29:49
  is.
• 29:50
  We
• 29:50
  don't
• 29:50
  know
• 29:51
  what's
• 29:51
  going
• 29:51
  to
• 29:51
  happen.
• 29:52
  You
• 29:52
  really
• 29:53
  don't.
• 29:53
  And
• 29:53
  I
• 29:53
  also.
• 29:54
  The
• 29:54
  thing,
• 29:54
  the
• 29:54
  realization
• 29:55
  I've
• 29:55
  come
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  is
• 29:56
  everybody
• 29:56
  wants
• 29:57
  what
• 29:57
  everyone
• 29:57
  else
• 29:57
  has
• 29:58
  got.
• 29:58
  So
• 29:59
  no
• 29:59
  matter
• 29:59
  what,
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  could
• 30:00
  look
• 30:00
  at
• 30:01
  my
• 30:01
  friends
• 30:01
  with
• 30:01
  kids
• 30:01
  and
• 30:02
  their
• 30:02
  husbands
• 30:02
  and
• 30:03
  think,
• 30:03
  I
• 30:03
  want
• 30:03
  that.
• 30:04
  They're
• 30:04
  looking
• 30:04
  at
• 30:04
  me
• 30:05
  living
• 30:05
  my
• 30:06
  life.
• 30:06
  Doing
• 30:06
  all
• 30:06
  this
• 30:07
  exciting
• 30:07
  thing,
• 30:07
  sitting
• 30:08
  on
• 30:08
  a
• 30:08
  private
• 30:08
  island.
• 30:09
  Sitting
• 30:09
  on
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  private
• 30:09
  island,
• 30:09
  doing
• 30:10
  a.
• 30:10
  Podcast
• 30:10
  with
• 30:10
  you
• 30:10
  on
• 30:10
  a
• 30:11
  Wednesday.
• 30:11
  Exactly.
• 30:12
  And
• 30:12
  that's
• 30:13
  something
• 30:13
  that
• 30:13
  they
• 30:13
  will
• 30:14
  want.
• 30:14
  So
• 30:14
  I've
• 30:15
  just
• 30:15
  learned
• 30:15
  to
• 30:16
  be
• 30:16
  very
• 30:17
  great.
• 30:17
  Gratitude
• 30:18
  is
• 30:18
  a
• 30:18
  Massive
• 30:19
  thing.
• 30:19
  And
• 30:19
  I'm
• 30:20
  so
• 30:20
  grateful
• 30:20
  for
• 30:20
  what
• 30:21
  I've
• 30:21
  created
• 30:22
  and
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  life
• 30:22
  that
• 30:23
  I've
• 30:23
  made.
• 30:24
  And
• 30:24
  Fozzie
• 30:24
  is
• 30:24
  a
• 30:24
  big
• 30:25
  part
• 30:25
  of
• 30:25
  that,
• 30:25
  to
• 30:25
  be
• 30:25
  fair,
• 30:26
  he
• 30:26
  helps
• 30:26
  fill
• 30:26
  that
• 30:27
  sort
• 30:27
  of
• 30:27
  nurturing
• 30:28
  void
• 30:28
  that
• 30:29
  I
• 30:29
  might
• 30:29
  have
• 30:30
  because
• 30:30
  he's
• 30:30
  just
• 30:31
  a
• 30:31
  little
• 30:31
  angel
• 30:31
  baby.
• 30:31
  Well,
• 30:32
  I
• 30:32
  can
• 30:32
  relate
• 30:32
  to
• 30:32
  that.
• 30:32
  Paddy
• 30:33
  and
• 30:33
  Murphy
• 30:33
  are
• 30:33
  my
• 30:33
  little
• 30:33
  babies.
• 30:34
  I
• 30:35
  clearly
• 30:35
  birthed
• 30:35
  those.
• 30:36
  And
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  know,
• 30:38
  in
• 30:38
  all
• 30:38
  seriousness,
• 30:39
  I
• 30:39
  think
• 30:39
  one
• 30:40
  of
• 30:40
  the
• 30:40
  funniest
• 30:41
  messages
• 30:41
  that
• 30:41
  you
• 30:42
  sent
• 30:42
  when
• 30:42
  we
• 30:42
  were
• 30:43
  preparing
• 30:43
  to
• 30:43
  come
• 30:43
  to
• 30:43
  the
• 30:43
  island,
• 30:44
  it
• 30:44
  was
• 30:45
  like
• 30:45
  when
• 30:45
  you're
• 30:45
  playing
• 30:45
  it
• 30:46
  out
• 30:46
  and
• 30:46
  you
• 30:46
  read
• 30:46
  it
• 30:46
  back,
• 30:47
  as
• 30:48
  a
• 30:48
  business
• 30:48
  owner,
• 30:49
  you
• 30:49
  think
• 30:49
  about
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  life
• 30:50
  and
• 30:50
  you
• 30:50
  talk
• 30:50
  about
• 30:50
  having
• 30:51
  fun.
• 30:51
  And
• 30:51
  I
• 30:51
  sent
• 30:51
  you
• 30:52
  a
• 30:52
  message,
• 30:52
  I
• 30:52
  was
• 30:52
  like,
• 30:52
  right,
• 30:53
  so
• 30:53
  just
• 30:53
  be
• 30:53
  on
• 30:53
  the
• 30:53
  jetty.
• 30:54
  I'll
• 30:54
  pick
• 30:55
  you
• 30:55
  up
• 30:55
  on
• 30:55
  the
• 30:55
  speedboat.
• 30:56
  And
• 30:56
  you
• 30:56
  were
• 30:56
  like,
• 30:56
  yeah,
• 30:57
  this
• 30:57
  is
• 30:57
  the
• 30:57
  life
• 30:57
  I
• 30:58
  should
• 30:58
  be
• 30:58
  having.
• 30:58
  And
• 30:59
  I
• 30:59
  think
• 30:59
  the
• 30:59
  thing
• 30:59
  is,
• 31:00
  is
• 31:00
  that
• 31:00
  when
• 31:01
  we
• 31:01
  think
• 31:01
  about
• 31:01
  the
• 31:01
  infinite
• 31:02
  possibilities
• 31:02
  and
• 31:03
  having
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  fun,
• 31:04
  like,
• 31:04
  what
• 31:04
  does
• 31:04
  that
• 31:04
  look
• 31:05
  like
• 31:05
  for
• 31:05
  Katie?
• 31:05
  I
• 31:06
  mean,
• 31:06
  clearly
• 31:07
  the
• 31:07
  private
• 31:07
  island
• 31:07
  has
• 31:07
  been
• 31:08
  an
• 31:08
  amazing,
• 31:09
  amazing
• 31:09
  time
• 31:10
  for
• 31:10
  me
• 31:10
  getting
• 31:11
  to
• 31:11
  know
• 31:11
  you
• 31:11
  and
• 31:11
  also
• 31:11
  for
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  meeting,
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  know,
• 31:13
  the
• 31:13
  rest
• 31:13
  of
• 31:13
  my
• 31:13
  network.
• 31:14
  But
• 31:14
  what
• 31:14
  do
• 31:14
  you
• 31:14
  want
• 31:15
  to
• 31:15
  be
• 31:15
  doing?
• 31:15
  Like,
• 31:15
  what
• 31:15
  is
• 31:16
  fun
• 31:16
  for
• 31:16
  Katie?
• 31:17
  Oh,
• 31:17
  I
• 31:17
  don't
• 31:17
  know.
• 31:18
  I
• 31:18
  just
• 31:18
  love
• 31:18
  life.
• 31:19
  I
• 31:19
  just
• 31:19
  love
• 31:20
  being
• 31:20
  silly
• 31:20
  and
• 31:21
  I
• 31:21
  love
• 31:22
  spending
• 31:22
  time
• 31:23
  with
• 31:23
  my
• 31:23
  friends
• 31:24
  and
• 31:24
  just
• 31:25
  going
• 31:25
  rogue
• 31:25
  every
• 31:26
  now
• 31:26
  and
• 31:26
  again.
• 31:27
  Like,
• 31:27
  I
• 31:28
  just
• 31:28
  want
• 31:28
  to
• 31:28
  do
• 31:28
  fun.
• 31:29
  It's.
• 31:29
  For
• 31:29
  me,
• 31:29
  it's
• 31:30
  memories.
• 31:30
  Memories
• 31:31
  over.
• 31:31
  I'm
• 31:32
  always
• 31:32
  memories
• 31:32
  over
• 31:33
  money.
• 31:33
  I'm
• 31:33
  not
• 31:33
  very.
• 31:34
  I
• 31:34
  love
• 31:35
  nice
• 31:35
  things,
• 31:35
  do
• 31:35
  not
• 31:36
  get
• 31:36
  me
• 31:36
  wrong.
• 31:36
  And
• 31:36
  I
• 31:37
  spend
• 31:37
  far
• 31:37
  too
• 31:37
  much
• 31:37
  money
• 31:38
  on
• 31:38
  clothes
• 31:38
  and
• 31:38
  bags
• 31:39
  and.
• 31:39
  But
• 31:40
  I'm
• 31:40
  all
• 31:40
  about
• 31:41
  memories
• 31:41
  and
• 31:42
  a
• 31:42
  lot
• 31:42
  of
• 31:42
  it
• 31:42
  now
• 31:42
  is
• 31:42
  about
• 31:43
  spending
• 31:43
  that
• 31:43
  with
• 31:44
  my
• 31:44
  parents
• 31:44
  as
• 31:44
  well.
• 31:45
  I
• 31:45
  try
• 31:45
  every
• 31:46
  year
• 31:46
  to
• 31:46
  go
• 31:46
  away
• 31:47
  with
• 31:47
  them
• 31:47
  and
• 31:47
  have
• 31:48
  time.
• 31:48
  So
• 31:49
  I've
• 31:49
  got
• 31:49
  those
• 31:49
  memories
• 31:50
  with
• 31:51
  them.
• 31:51
  I
• 31:51
  love
• 31:51
  that.
• 31:52
  I
• 31:52
  love
• 31:52
  that.
• 31:52
  Because
• 31:52
  the
• 31:53
  thing
• 31:53
  is,
• 31:53
  is
• 31:53
  yesterday
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  shared
• 31:55
  whether
• 31:55
  it's
• 31:55
  an
• 31:55
  uplifting
• 31:56
  fact
• 31:56
  or
• 31:56
  depressing,
• 31:57
  I
• 31:57
  don't
• 31:57
  know.
• 31:57
  But
• 31:58
  we
• 31:58
  have
• 31:58
  around
• 31:58
  4,
• 31:59
  000
• 32:00
  weeks
• 32:00
  in
• 32:00
  our
• 32:01
  existence
• 32:01
  and
• 32:02
  when
• 32:02
  we
• 32:02
  bring
• 32:03
  our
• 32:03
  conscious
• 32:03
  mind
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  this,
• 32:04
  because
• 32:04
  95
• 32:05
  of
• 32:05
  what
• 32:06
  we
• 32:06
  do
• 32:06
  is
• 32:07
  not
• 32:07
  in
• 32:07
  our
• 32:07
  control
• 32:07
  every
• 32:07
  day.
• 32:08
  Because
• 32:08
  we're
• 32:08
  living
• 32:08
  in
• 32:08
  our
• 32:08
  subconscious.
• 32:09
  When
• 32:10
  we
• 32:10
  bring
• 32:10
  conscious
• 32:10
  action
• 32:11
  to
• 32:11
  it
• 32:12
  and
• 32:12
  we
• 32:12
  have
• 32:13
  that
• 32:13
  thought
• 32:13
  about
• 32:14
  family,
• 32:14
  they're
• 32:14
  not
• 32:15
  going
• 32:15
  to
• 32:15
  be
• 32:15
  here
• 32:15
  forever.
• 32:16
  We
• 32:16
  have
• 32:16
  to
• 32:16
  make
• 32:17
  every
• 32:17
  moment
• 32:18
  matter.
• 32:18
  What
• 32:19
  is
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  impact
• 32:20
  or
• 32:20
  legacy
• 32:21
  that
• 32:21
  you
• 32:21
  feel
• 32:22
  passionate
• 32:22
  about
• 32:22
  that
• 32:23
  you
• 32:23
  want
• 32:23
  to
• 32:24
  carve
• 32:24
  out
• 32:25
  in
• 32:25
  your
• 32:25
  life?
• 32:26
  Feel
• 32:26
  like
• 32:26
  I
• 32:27
  have
• 32:27
  been
• 32:27
  on
• 32:27
  such
• 32:27
  a
• 32:28
  journey
• 32:28
  of
• 32:29
  leading
• 32:29
  a
• 32:30
  company
• 32:30
  that
• 32:30
  was
• 32:31
  such
• 32:31
  fast
• 32:31
  paced
• 32:32
  Growth
• 32:33
  and
• 32:33
  learning
• 32:34
  along
• 32:34
  the
• 32:34
  way
• 32:34
  of
• 32:35
  how
• 32:35
  to
• 32:35
  do
• 32:36
  things
• 32:36
  differently,
• 32:37
  how
• 32:37
  you
• 32:37
  can
• 32:37
  be
• 32:37
  a
• 32:38
  different
• 32:38
  manager,
• 32:39
  how
• 32:39
  can
• 32:39
  you
• 32:39
  can
• 32:39
  be
• 32:40
  a
• 32:40
  different
• 32:40
  leader?
• 32:41
  That
• 32:41
  I
• 32:41
  would
• 32:42
  love
• 32:42
  to
• 32:42
  share
• 32:43
  that
• 32:43
  and
• 32:43
  help
• 32:43
  other
• 32:44
  people
• 32:44
  feel
• 32:44
  that
• 32:44
  they
• 32:45
  can
• 32:45
  do
• 32:45
  that
• 32:45
  as
• 32:45
  well.
• 32:46
  And
• 32:46
  my
• 32:46
  big
• 32:47
  passion
• 32:47
  at
• 32:47
  the
• 32:47
  moment
• 32:48
  is
• 32:48
  the
• 32:48
  values
• 32:49
  piece,
• 32:50
  knowing
• 32:50
  what
• 32:51
  a
• 32:51
  difference
• 32:51
  it
• 32:51
  would
• 32:51
  have
• 32:52
  made
• 32:52
  to
• 32:52
  me
• 32:53
  as
• 32:53
  younger
• 32:53
  Katie
• 32:54
  if
• 32:54
  I'd
• 32:54
  have
• 32:54
  known
• 32:55
  those
• 32:55
  values.
• 32:56
  Would
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  be
• 32:57
  in
• 32:57
  a
• 32:57
  different
• 32:57
  position
• 32:58
  if
• 32:59
  would
• 32:59
  I
• 32:59
  made
• 32:59
  different
• 33:00
  choices?
• 33:00
  And
• 33:01
  I
• 33:01
  think
• 33:01
  we're
• 33:01
  living
• 33:01
  in
• 33:02
  a
• 33:02
  world
• 33:02
  now.
• 33:02
  We've
• 33:03
  talked
• 33:03
  about
• 33:03
  it.
• 33:03
  Comparison
• 33:04
  culture
• 33:04
  is
• 33:05
  massive.
• 33:05
  And
• 33:05
  I
• 33:05
  think
• 33:06
  what
• 33:06
  you
• 33:06
  see
• 33:06
  online
• 33:06
  is
• 33:07
  just,
• 33:07
  we
• 33:07
  know
• 33:07
  it's
• 33:07
  the
• 33:08
  highlights
• 33:08
  real,
• 33:09
  but
• 33:09
  you
• 33:09
  can't
• 33:09
  help
• 33:10
  sitting
• 33:10
  there
• 33:10
  thinking
• 33:10
  why,
• 33:11
  Like,
• 33:11
  I
• 33:11
  want
• 33:12
  what
• 33:12
  they've
• 33:12
  got
• 33:13
  or
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  should
• 33:14
  be
• 33:14
  there.
• 33:14
  And
• 33:15
  I
• 33:15
  think
• 33:15
  I'm
• 33:16
  really
• 33:16
  passionate
• 33:17
  about
• 33:17
  leaving
• 33:17
  a
• 33:17
  legacy
• 33:18
  that
• 33:18
  helps
• 33:19
  young
• 33:19
  people
• 33:20
  understand
• 33:20
  themselves
• 33:21
  better
• 33:22
  in
• 33:22
  order
• 33:22
  to
• 33:22
  make
• 33:22
  decisions
• 33:23
  that
• 33:23
  are
• 33:23
  right
• 33:23
  for
• 33:23
  them,
• 33:24
  not
• 33:24
  in
• 33:24
  order
• 33:24
  just
• 33:25
  compare
• 33:25
  with
• 33:26
  everyone
• 33:26
  else.
• 33:26
  Well,
• 33:27
  I
• 33:27
  always
• 33:28
  like
• 33:28
  to
• 33:28
  have
• 33:28
  a
• 33:28
  little
• 33:28
  bit
• 33:28
  of
• 33:28
  a
• 33:28
  giggle
• 33:29
  on
• 33:29
  the
• 33:29
  podcast
• 33:29
  and
• 33:30
  I
• 33:30
  love
• 33:31
  the
• 33:31
  fact
• 33:31
  that
• 33:32
  every
• 33:33
  guest
• 33:33
  I
• 33:33
  have
• 33:33
  always
• 33:34
  shares
• 33:34
  a
• 33:34
  little
• 33:34
  bit
• 33:34
  of
• 33:35
  vulnerability,
• 33:36
  a
• 33:36
  bit
• 33:36
  of
• 33:37
  their
• 33:37
  authentic
• 33:37
  self.
• 33:38
  And
• 33:38
  I'm
• 33:38
  always
• 33:38
  sharing
• 33:39
  stories
• 33:39
  because
• 33:40
  honestly,
• 33:40
  I
• 33:40
  have
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  most
• 33:41
  embarrassing
• 33:41
  stories
• 33:42
  in
• 33:42
  life
• 33:43
  ever.
• 33:44
  What
• 33:44
  is
• 33:44
  the
• 33:44
  most
• 33:45
  embarrassing
• 33:46
  story
• 33:46
  you've
• 33:46
  had
• 33:47
  in
• 33:47
  your
• 33:47
  entrepreneurial
• 33:48
  life
• 33:48
  or
• 33:49
  commercial
• 33:49
  life?
• 33:49
  I
• 33:50
  can't
• 33:50
  wait
• 33:50
  to
• 33:50
  hear
• 33:50
  this.
• 33:52
  There's
• 33:52
  loads.
• 33:53
  Because
• 33:53
  I'm
• 33:53
  such.
• 33:55
  The
• 33:55
  one
• 33:56
  that's
• 33:56
  just
• 33:56
  like.
• 33:57
  The
• 33:57
  one
• 33:57
  that's
• 33:57
  come
• 33:57
  to
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  front
• 33:58
  of
• 33:58
  my
• 33:58
  mind
• 33:59
  was
• 33:59
  it
• 33:59
  was
• 33:59
  when
• 33:59
  I
• 34:00
  was
• 34:00
  doing
• 34:00
  work
• 34:00
  experience
• 34:03
  at
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  BBC
• 34:05
  on
• 34:05
  Watchdog.
• 34:06
  Oh,
• 34:06
  my
• 34:06
  God.
• 34:07
  So
• 34:08
  I
• 34:08
  was
• 34:08
  doing.
• 34:09
  Because
• 34:09
  at
• 34:09
  this
• 34:09
  point
• 34:10
  I
• 34:10
  thought
• 34:10
  I
• 34:10
  wanted
• 34:10
  to
• 34:10
  be
• 34:10
  a
• 34:11
  journalist
• 34:11
  because
• 34:12
  I
• 34:12
  loved
• 34:12
  Heat
• 34:12
  magazine
• 34:13
  and
• 34:13
  I
• 34:13
  just
• 34:13
  wanted
• 34:13
  to.
• 34:13
  We
• 34:14
  all
• 34:14
  loved
• 34:14
  Heat
• 34:14
  magazine.
• 34:15
  I
• 34:15
  just
• 34:15
  wanted
• 34:16
  to
• 34:16
  write
• 34:16
  about
• 34:16
  celebrities.
• 34:17
  That's
• 34:17
  all
• 34:17
  I
• 34:17
  wanted
• 34:18
  to
• 34:18
  do.
• 34:18
  I
• 34:18
  just.
• 34:19
  I
• 34:19
  love
• 34:19
  the
• 34:19
  depth,
• 34:20
  but
• 34:20
  I
• 34:20
  can't.
• 34:21
  I
• 34:21
  can't
• 34:21
  spell
• 34:22
  and
• 34:22
  my
• 34:22
  grandma's
• 34:23
  terrible.
• 34:24
  But
• 34:24
  anyway,
• 34:24
  yeah,
• 34:24
  so
• 34:25
  for
• 34:25
  some
• 34:25
  reason
• 34:25
  I
• 34:25
  got
• 34:26
  work
• 34:26
  experience
• 34:26
  on
• 34:27
  Watchdog.
• 34:27
  I
• 34:27
  don't
• 34:27
  know
• 34:27
  why
• 34:28
  I
• 34:28
  thought
• 34:28
  that
• 34:28
  would
• 34:28
  translate
• 34:29
  into
• 34:29
  a
• 34:29
  role
• 34:29
  at
• 34:29
  Heat
• 34:30
  magazine.
• 34:30
  Anyway,
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  was
• 34:31
  like
• 34:31
  17
• 34:32
  and
• 34:33
  we
• 34:33
  were
• 34:33
  just
• 34:33
  sat
• 34:34
  in
• 34:34
  this
• 34:34
  tiny
• 34:34
  little
• 34:35
  box
• 34:35
  room,
• 34:35
  these.
• 34:35
  All
• 34:35
  these
• 34:36
  work
• 34:36
  experience
• 34:36
  people.
• 34:36
  And
• 34:36
  we
• 34:37
  were
• 34:37
  just
• 34:37
  opening
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  letters
• 34:38
  that
• 34:38
  people
• 34:38
  had
• 34:38
  sent
• 34:39
  in
• 34:39
  because
• 34:39
  it
• 34:39
  was
• 34:39
  all
• 34:39
  letter
• 34:39
  based
• 34:40
  at
• 34:40
  that
• 34:40
  time.
• 34:41
  We
• 34:41
  opened
• 34:41
  one
• 34:41
  of
• 34:42
  the
• 34:42
  letters
• 34:42
  and
• 34:42
  this
• 34:42
  white
• 34:43
  powder
• 34:43
  came
• 34:43
  out
• 34:44
  and
• 34:44
  we
• 34:44
  were
• 34:44
  like,
• 34:45
  oh,
• 34:45
  shoot.
• 34:47
  So
• 34:47
  it
• 34:47
  was
• 34:48
  around
• 34:48
  the
• 34:48
  time
• 34:48
  when
• 34:48
  there
• 34:48
  were
• 34:49
  anthrax
• 34:49
  scares.
• 34:50
  So
• 34:51
  we
• 34:51
  came
• 34:51
  out
• 34:51
  of
• 34:51
  this
• 34:51
  room
• 34:52
  and
• 34:52
  we're
• 34:52
  like,
• 34:52
  excuse
• 34:53
  me.
• 34:53
  We
• 34:53
  found
• 34:53
  some
• 34:54
  powder
• 34:54
  and
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  One.
• 34:55
  And
• 34:55
  we're
• 34:56
  like,
• 34:56
  right,
• 34:56
  okay,
• 34:57
  shut
• 34:58
  the
• 34:58
  whole
• 34:58
  of
• 34:58
  the
• 34:59
  BBC
• 34:59
  down.
• 35:00
  Everyone
• 35:01
  had
• 35:01
  to
• 35:01
  evacuate.
• 35:02
  We
• 35:02
  had
• 35:02
  to
• 35:03
  stay
• 35:03
  in
• 35:03
  the
• 35:03
  watchdog
• 35:04
  building
• 35:05
  in
• 35:05
  the
• 35:05
  studio.
• 35:06
  And
• 35:06
  the
• 35:06
  man
• 35:06
  in
• 35:07
  that.
• 35:07
  The
• 35:07
  suit.
• 35:08
  We
• 35:08
  had
• 35:08
  the
• 35:08
  men
• 35:08
  in
• 35:08
  the
• 35:09
  suit
• 35:09
  come
• 35:09
  in.
• 35:10
  Oh,
• 35:10
  the
• 35:10
  white.
• 35:10
  The
• 35:10
  hams.
• 35:11
  What
• 35:11
  are
• 35:11
  they
• 35:11
  called?
• 35:12
  The
• 35:12
  thingy
• 35:13
  suits,
• 35:14
  like
• 35:14
  the.
• 35:16
  Yeah,
• 35:20
  one
• 35:21
  of
• 35:21
  them
• 35:21
  white
• 35:21
  space
• 35:22
  suits.
• 35:22
  Oh,
• 35:23
  my
• 35:23
  God.
• 35:23
  The
• 35:23
  space
• 35:24
  suits
• 35:24
  came
• 35:25
  in,
• 35:25
  literally.
• 35:26
  And
• 35:26
  I
• 35:26
  mean,
• 35:26
  when
• 35:26
  we
• 35:26
  had
• 35:27
  to
• 35:27
  close
• 35:27
  the
• 35:27
  BBC,
• 35:27
  it
• 35:27
  was
• 35:28
  that
• 35:28
  whole
• 35:28
  building.
• 35:29
  They
• 35:29
  tested
• 35:30
  it.
• 35:32
  It
• 35:32
  was
• 35:32
  printing
• 35:32
  powder
• 35:33
  from
• 35:33
  the
• 35:33
  comp
• 35:33
  slips.
• 35:36
  Oh,
• 35:36
  my
• 35:36
  God.
• 35:37
  Oh,
• 35:38
  my
• 35:38
  God.
• 35:38
  See,
• 35:39
  I
• 35:39
  feel
• 35:39
  slightly
• 35:39
  better
• 35:40
  now
• 35:40
  because
• 35:40
  when
• 35:40
  I
• 35:40
  tell
• 35:41
  my
• 35:41
  stories,
• 35:41
  which
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  will
• 35:42
  share
• 35:42
  with
• 35:42
  you,
• 35:43
  there's.
• 35:43
  There's
• 35:43
  particularly
• 35:44
  worse
• 35:44
  one.
• 35:44
  Well,
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  worst
• 35:45
  one
• 35:45
  is
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  easy
• 35:46
  Jet
• 35:46
  story.
• 35:47
  But
• 35:47
  one
• 35:47
  of
• 35:47
  my
• 35:47
  stories
• 35:48
  was
• 35:48
  going
• 35:49
  into
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  really
• 35:49
  important
• 35:50
  meeting.
• 35:50
  And
• 35:51
  again,
• 35:51
  I
• 35:51
  was
• 35:51
  probably
• 35:52
  about
• 35:52
  similar
• 35:52
  ages
• 35:52
  as
• 35:53
  you've
• 35:53
  on
• 35:53
  your
• 35:53
  work
• 35:53
  experience.
• 35:54
  And
• 35:54
  you
• 35:55
  know
• 35:55
  when
• 35:55
  you're
• 35:55
  kind
• 35:55
  of
• 35:55
  making
• 35:56
  a
• 35:56
  great
• 35:56
  sort
• 35:57
  of
• 35:57
  like
• 35:57
  entrance
• 35:58
  first
• 35:58
  impression.
• 35:59
  I'm
• 35:59
  going
• 36:00
  into
• 36:00
  a
• 36:00
  board
• 36:00
  meeting,
• 36:01
  so
• 36:01
  all
• 36:02
  men.
• 36:02
  I'm
• 36:02
  the
• 36:02
  only
• 36:02
  female.
• 36:03
  I'd
• 36:03
  just
• 36:04
  been
• 36:04
  promoted.
• 36:05
  So
• 36:05
  I
• 36:05
  had
• 36:05
  this
• 36:05
  beautiful
• 36:06
  white
• 36:06
  shirt
• 36:06
  on,
• 36:07
  black
• 36:08
  trousers.
• 36:08
  And
• 36:08
  as
• 36:09
  I
• 36:09
  went
• 36:09
  into
• 36:09
  the
• 36:09
  door,
• 36:10
  the
• 36:10
  meeting
• 36:10
  room
• 36:10
  had
• 36:10
  like
• 36:11
  one
• 36:11
  of
• 36:11
  these
• 36:11
  big
• 36:12
  kind
• 36:12
  of
• 36:12
  like
• 36:12
  fire
• 36:13
  exit
• 36:13
  handles
• 36:13
  on
• 36:14
  it.
• 36:14
  So
• 36:14
  which
• 36:15
  just
• 36:15
  as
• 36:15
  I
• 36:15
  walked
• 36:16
  in,
• 36:17
  caught
• 36:17
  into
• 36:17
  the
• 36:17
  button
• 36:18
  of
• 36:18
  my
• 36:18
  shirt.
• 36:18
  So
• 36:18
  as
• 36:19
  I
• 36:19
  entered
• 36:20
  the
• 36:20
  office,
• 36:21
  I
• 36:21
  went
• 36:22
  in
• 36:22
  full
• 36:22
  bra,
• 36:23
  open
• 36:23
  shirt,
• 36:24
  no
• 36:24
  buttons.
• 36:25
  And
• 36:25
  I'm
• 36:26
  not
• 36:26
  sure
• 36:26
  I
• 36:26
  will
• 36:26
  ever
• 36:27
  get
• 36:27
  past
• 36:27
  that.
• 36:27
  And
• 36:27
  you
• 36:28
  know
• 36:28
  what?
• 36:28
  Even
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  this,
• 36:29
  even
• 36:29
  to
• 36:29
  this
• 36:30
  day,
• 36:30
  when
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  walk
• 36:30
  into
• 36:30
  a
• 36:31
  room,
• 36:31
  I
• 36:31
  always
• 36:32
  naturally
• 36:32
  just
• 36:33
  go
• 36:33
  to
• 36:33
  the
• 36:33
  front,
• 36:33
  even
• 36:33
  if
• 36:34
  I
• 36:34
  haven't
• 36:34
  got
• 36:34
  buttons.
• 36:35
  Because
• 36:35
  that
• 36:35
  embarrassment
• 36:36
  level,
• 36:36
  I
• 36:36
  mean,
• 36:37
  like,
• 36:37
  I
• 36:37
  feel
• 36:37
  like
• 36:37
  I'm
• 36:37
  blushing
• 36:38
  now
• 36:38
  even
• 36:38
  telling
• 36:38
  the
• 36:39
  story.
• 36:39
  It
• 36:40
  was
• 36:40
  bad.
• 36:41
  So
• 36:41
  I
• 36:41
  think
• 36:41
  the
• 36:42
  thing
• 36:42
  is,
• 36:42
  is
• 36:42
  that,
• 36:42
  you
• 36:43
  know,
• 36:43
  like,
• 36:43
  if
• 36:43
  we
• 36:43
  can
• 36:43
  still
• 36:43
  do
• 36:44
  all
• 36:44
  right
• 36:44
  in
• 36:44
  life,
• 36:44
  you
• 36:44
  know,
• 36:44
  there's
• 36:45
  hope
• 36:45
  for
• 36:45
  everybody.
• 36:46
  Like,
• 36:46
  you
• 36:46
  know,
• 36:47
  literally
• 36:47
  every
• 36:48
  day
• 36:48
  I've.
• 36:48
  Got
• 36:48
  friends
• 36:49
  that
• 36:49
  are
• 36:49
  like,
• 36:49
  how
• 36:50
  are
• 36:50
  you
• 36:50
  as
• 36:50
  successful
• 36:51
  as
• 36:51
  what
• 36:51
  as
• 36:51
  you
• 36:52
  are?
• 36:52
  Because
• 36:52
  you,
• 36:53
  like,
• 36:53
  how
• 36:54
  do
• 36:54
  you
• 36:54
  get
• 36:54
  by?
• 36:55
  I
• 36:55
  don't
• 36:55
  know.
• 36:56
  I
• 36:56
  went
• 36:56
  to
• 36:56
  do
• 36:56
  a
• 36:56
  cold
• 36:57
  water
• 36:57
  dip
• 36:57
  just
• 36:58
  the
• 36:58
  day
• 36:58
  before
• 36:58
  we
• 36:58
  came
• 36:59
  here,
• 36:59
  and
• 36:59
  it
• 37:00
  was
• 37:00
  three
• 37:00
  rounds
• 37:00
  of
• 37:00
  cold
• 37:01
  water
• 37:01
  dips.
• 37:01
  Second
• 37:02
  round.
• 37:02
  The
• 37:02
  guy
• 37:02
  was
• 37:02
  like,
• 37:03
  right,
• 37:03
  you
• 37:03
  can
• 37:03
  probably
• 37:03
  go
• 37:04
  in
• 37:04
  a
• 37:04
  little
• 37:04
  bit.
• 37:04
  Because
• 37:04
  I
• 37:04
  was
• 37:04
  like
• 37:05
  this.
• 37:05
  I'm.
• 37:05
  He
• 37:06
  said,
• 37:06
  you
• 37:06
  can
• 37:06
  probably
• 37:06
  go
• 37:06
  in
• 37:06
  a
• 37:06
  little
• 37:07
  bit
• 37:07
  further.
• 37:07
  So
• 37:07
  I
• 37:07
  tried
• 37:08
  it.
• 37:08
  There
• 37:08
  was
• 37:08
  two
• 37:09
  of
• 37:09
  us
• 37:09
  in
• 37:09
  this
• 37:10
  bath
• 37:10
  thing.
• 37:11
  Tried
• 37:11
  it,
• 37:12
  tried
• 37:12
  to
• 37:12
  go
• 37:12
  down
• 37:12
  for
• 37:13
  can't
• 37:13
  do
• 37:13
  it.
• 37:13
  Slipped,
• 37:14
  I
• 37:14
  fell
• 37:15
  in,
• 37:15
  splashed
• 37:16
  the
• 37:16
  guy
• 37:16
  next
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  me
• 37:17
  who
• 37:17
  was
• 37:17
  like,
• 37:18
  really
• 37:18
  Struggling
• 37:18
  with
• 37:18
  the
• 37:18
  cold.
• 37:19
  I
• 37:19
  splashed
• 37:20
  him
• 37:20
  with
• 37:20
  cold
• 37:20
  water
• 37:21
  because
• 37:21
  I
• 37:21
  was
• 37:21
  like,
• 37:23
  and
• 37:24
  this
• 37:24
  is,
• 37:24
  this
• 37:24
  is
• 37:24
  my
• 37:24
  life.
• 37:26
  Yeah,
• 37:26
  I
• 37:26
  know.
• 37:26
  Well,
• 37:26
  I
• 37:26
  know
• 37:27
  I
• 37:27
  went
• 37:27
  up
• 37:27
  to
• 37:27
  further
• 37:27
  than
• 37:28
  I
• 37:28
  definitely
• 37:28
  intended
• 37:29
  but
• 37:30
  this.
• 37:30
  Is
• 37:30
  me,
• 37:30
  but
• 37:31
  this
• 37:31
  is
• 37:31
  it
• 37:31
  and
• 37:31
  it's
• 37:32
  having
• 37:32
  the
• 37:32
  ability
• 37:32
  to
• 37:33
  laugh
• 37:33
  at
• 37:33
  yourself.
• 37:33
  And
• 37:33
  I
• 37:34
  think
• 37:34
  the
• 37:34
  thing
• 37:34
  in
• 37:34
  life,
• 37:34
  right,
• 37:35
  and
• 37:35
  especially
• 37:35
  in
• 37:35
  business,
• 37:36
  when,
• 37:36
  when
• 37:37
  it
• 37:37
  gets
• 37:37
  tough,
• 37:37
  if
• 37:38
  you
• 37:38
  can't
• 37:38
  laugh
• 37:38
  at
• 37:38
  yourself,
• 37:39
  who
• 37:39
  can?
• 37:40
  And
• 37:40
  I
• 37:40
  think
• 37:40
  this
• 37:40
  is
• 37:40
  what
• 37:40
  we
• 37:41
  need
• 37:41
  to
• 37:41
  understand
• 37:41
  on
• 37:41
  social
• 37:42
  media
• 37:42
  when
• 37:42
  people
• 37:43
  go
• 37:43
  on
• 37:43
  there,
• 37:43
  we've
• 37:44
  been
• 37:44
  around
• 37:44
  for
• 37:44
  20
• 37:45
  years
• 37:45
  doing
• 37:45
  what
• 37:46
  we've
• 37:46
  been
• 37:46
  doing.
• 37:46
  It
• 37:47
  was
• 37:47
  not
• 37:47
  an
• 37:47
  overnight
• 37:48
  success
• 37:48
  possess.
• 37:49
  And
• 37:49
  the
• 37:49
  thing
• 37:49
  is
• 37:50
  is
• 37:50
  we
• 37:50
  all
• 37:50
  still
• 37:50
  make
• 37:51
  mistakes
• 37:51
  every
• 37:51
  single
• 37:52
  day.
• 37:53
  Anyone
• 37:53
  who
• 37:53
  watches
• 37:53
  my
• 37:54
  behind
• 37:54
  the
• 37:54
  scenes,
• 37:54
  you
• 37:54
  will
• 37:54
  know
• 37:55
  some
• 37:55
  of
• 37:55
  my
• 37:56
  stories
• 37:56
  are
• 37:56
  cringe
• 37:57
  worthy
• 37:57
  but
• 37:58
  these
• 37:58
  are
• 37:58
  things
• 37:58
  that
• 37:59
  make
• 37:59
  me
• 37:59
  me
• 37:59
  and
• 37:59
  make
• 38:00
  you
• 38:00
  you.
• 38:01
  So
• 38:01
  if
• 38:02
  there
• 38:02
  was
• 38:02
  one
• 38:03
  parting
• 38:03
  gift
• 38:04
  that
• 38:04
  you
• 38:04
  can
• 38:04
  leave
• 38:04
  our
• 38:05
  amazing
• 38:06
  listeners,
• 38:06
  what
• 38:07
  would
• 38:07
  be
• 38:07
  the
• 38:07
  one
• 38:07
  piece
• 38:08
  of
• 38:08
  advice
• 38:08
  that
• 38:08
  you
• 38:09
  would
• 38:09
  like
• 38:09
  to
• 38:09
  share?
• 38:10
  I
• 38:10
  think
• 38:10
  just
• 38:11
  be
• 38:11
  relentless
• 38:12
  in
• 38:12
  the
• 38:12
  pursuit
• 38:13
  of
• 38:13
  your
• 38:13
  own
• 38:13
  goals.
• 38:14
  Don't
• 38:15
  let
• 38:15
  other
• 38:15
  people
• 38:16
  stop
• 38:16
  you
• 38:17
  or
• 38:17
  put
• 38:17
  you
• 38:18
  off.
• 38:18
  If
• 38:18
  you're
• 38:19
  passionate
• 38:19
  about
• 38:19
  something
• 38:20
  and
• 38:20
  you
• 38:20
  really
• 38:20
  want
• 38:20
  to
• 38:20
  do
• 38:20
  it
• 38:21
  and
• 38:21
  you
• 38:21
  know
• 38:21
  what
• 38:21
  your
• 38:21
  goals
• 38:21
  are
• 38:22
  and
• 38:22
  you've
• 38:22
  got
• 38:23
  that
• 38:23
  urgency
• 38:24
  inside
• 38:24
  you
• 38:25
  and
• 38:25
  there's
• 38:25
  a
• 38:25
  drive
• 38:25
  that
• 38:26
  coming
• 38:26
  from
• 38:26
  your
• 38:26
  values,
• 38:27
  then
• 38:28
  go
• 38:28
  for
• 38:28
  it.
• 38:28
  So
• 38:29
  what
• 38:29
  are
• 38:29
  your
• 38:29
  values?
• 38:30
  If
• 38:30
  you
• 38:30
  had
• 38:30
  to
• 38:31
  say
• 38:32
  three
• 38:32
  key
• 38:33
  values,
• 38:33
  what
• 38:33
  would
• 38:33
  they
• 38:33
  be?
• 38:34
  Mine,
• 38:34
  I've
• 38:35
  got
• 38:35
  four.
• 38:35
  I've
• 38:35
  got
• 38:36
  learning,
• 38:37
  which
• 38:37
  has
• 38:37
  been
• 38:37
  every
• 38:38
  decision
• 38:38
  I've
• 38:38
  made
• 38:39
  in
• 38:39
  career.
• 38:40
  So
• 38:40
  every
• 38:40
  time
• 38:40
  I've
• 38:41
  changed,
• 38:41
  it's
• 38:41
  because
• 38:41
  I
• 38:41
  wanted
• 38:42
  to
• 38:42
  learn
• 38:42
  something
• 38:42
  new
• 38:43
  which
• 38:43
  I
• 38:43
  didn't
• 38:43
  know
• 38:43
  until
• 38:44
  I
• 38:44
  did
• 38:44
  my
• 38:44
  values
• 38:44
  work
• 38:45
  care,
• 38:46
  which
• 38:46
  is
• 38:46
  actually
• 38:46
  what
• 38:47
  makes
• 38:47
  me
• 38:47
  a
• 38:47
  really
• 38:47
  good
• 38:48
  leader
• 38:48
  and
• 38:49
  the
• 38:49
  thing
• 38:49
  that
• 38:49
  makes
• 38:49
  me
• 38:50
  not
• 38:50
  the
• 38:50
  man
• 38:50
  in
• 38:50
  the
• 38:50
  grey
• 38:51
  suit.
• 38:51
  Achievement.
• 38:52
  As
• 38:52
  a
• 38:53
  daughter
• 38:53
  of
• 38:53
  two
• 38:54
  teachers,
• 38:54
  it's
• 38:54
  not
• 38:54
  a
• 38:55
  surprise
• 38:55
  really
• 38:55
  that
• 38:56
  I
• 38:56
  need
• 38:57
  to
• 38:57
  achieve
• 38:58
  and
• 38:58
  then
• 38:58
  fun.
• 38:59
  Definitely.
• 38:59
  I'm
• 39:00
  with
• 39:00
  you
• 39:00
  on
• 39:00
  that
• 39:00
  one.
• 39:01
  No,
• 39:01
  I
• 39:01
  think
• 39:01
  we're
• 39:02
  quite
• 39:02
  aligned
• 39:02
  in
• 39:02
  the
• 39:02
  values
• 39:03
  and
• 39:03
  I
• 39:03
  think
• 39:03
  the
• 39:03
  exercise
• 39:03
  you
• 39:04
  did
• 39:04
  with
• 39:04
  us
• 39:04
  on
• 39:04
  the
• 39:05
  event
• 39:05
  was
• 39:05
  really
• 39:06
  interesting
• 39:06
  because
• 39:07
  I
• 39:07
  love
• 39:08
  the
• 39:08
  fact
• 39:08
  that
• 39:09
  we
• 39:09
  start
• 39:09
  to
• 39:09
  attach
• 39:10
  actions
• 39:10
  to
• 39:11
  values
• 39:11
  and
• 39:11
  that's
• 39:11
  when
• 39:12
  it
• 39:12
  starts
• 39:12
  to
• 39:12
  get
• 39:12
  interesting.
• 39:14
  So
• 39:14
  if
• 39:14
  people
• 39:15
  want
• 39:15
  to
• 39:15
  know
• 39:15
  more
• 39:16
  about
• 39:16
  Katie
• 39:17
  and
• 39:17
  her
• 39:18
  amazing
• 39:18
  journey,
• 39:19
  where
• 39:19
  is
• 39:19
  the
• 39:20
  best
• 39:20
  place
• 39:20
  to
• 39:21
  come
• 39:21
  and
• 39:21
  connect?
• 39:21
  LinkedIn,
• 39:22
  LinkedIn,
• 39:23
  Instagram,
• 39:24
  the
• 39:24
  website.
• 39:24
  I've
• 39:25
  also
• 39:25
  got
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  mailing
• 39:26
  list
• 39:26
  so
• 39:26
  you
• 39:26
  can
• 39:26
  go
• 39:26
  and
• 39:26
  it's
• 39:27
  just
• 39:27
  katieleson.co.uk
• 39:29
  and
• 39:29
  then
• 39:29
  my
• 39:30
  socials
• 39:30
  are
• 39:30
  all
• 39:30
  just
• 39:30
  at
• 39:30
  KatieLeason,
• 39:31
  so
• 39:31
  it's
• 39:31
  fairly
• 39:32
  easy.
• 39:32
  Oh,
• 39:32
  well,
• 39:32
  thank
• 39:32
  you
• 39:32
  so
• 39:33
  much.
• 39:33
  It's
• 39:33
  been
• 39:33
  a
• 39:33
  blast.
• 39:34
  And
• 39:34
  thank
• 39:34
  you
• 39:35
  for
• 39:35
  spending
• 39:35
  time
• 39:35
  on
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  private
• 39:36
  island.
• 39:36
  It's
• 39:37
  been
• 39:37
  amazing
• 39:38
  and
• 39:39
  I'm
• 39:39
  sure
• 39:39
  we'll
• 39:39
  be
• 39:39
  back.
• 39:42
  Thanks
• 39:43
  for
• 39:43
  listening
• 39:43
  to
• 39:44
  dawn
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  a
• 39:45
  New
• 39:45
  Era,
• 39:45
  the
• 39:45
  podcast
• 39:46
  brought
• 39:46
  to
• 39:46
  you
• 39:46
  in
• 39:46
  association
• 39:47
  with
• 39:47
  the
• 39:48
  Her
• 39:48
  Power
• 39:49
  Community.
• 39:49
  This
• 39:50
  initiative
• 39:50
  was
• 39:51
  founded
• 39:51
  by
• 39:51
  myself
• 39:52
  and
• 39:52
  it's
• 39:52
  all
• 39:52
  about
• 39:52
  empowering
• 39:53
  female
• 39:53
  founders
• 39:54
  to
• 39:54
  recognize
• 39:55
  their
• 39:55
  limitless
• 39:56
  potential
• 39:57
  and
• 39:57
  pursue
• 39:57
  their
• 39:58
  ambitions
• 39:58
  with
• 39:59
  confidence.
• 39:59
  Now
• 40:00
  there
• 40:00
  is
• 40:00
  less
• 40:01
  than
• 40:01
  1.8%
• 40:02
  that
• 40:02
  goes
• 40:02
  into
• 40:03
  investing
• 40:04
  in
• 40:04
  female
• 40:04
  founded
• 40:04
  businesses
• 40:05
  and
• 40:06
  we
• 40:06
  are
• 40:06
  here
• 40:07
  to
• 40:07
  make
• 40:07
  positive
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