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Mortenn Christiansen on Winning FISM Twice! and Crafting Magic #266 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. Magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, step right up to the plate today. We have episode 266 of the Magic Guys.
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We're bringing it live. We're bringing it fast. And to my left, we have Mr. Nick K.
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That's right, friends. I'm Nick K. And that guy talking to you earlier was my
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good friend, Josh Nubitu.
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Oh, I went to hit that.
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This sound effect, but I like it. We're coming to you strong live from Australia.
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Doug is busy making bank at Trick Supply today, but it's okay because we have
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replaced him with a two-time FISM award winner, which we'll get to shortly.
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We're glad to see you guys in the chat as well. Feel free to,
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as always, if you're here live, drop your questions and we can control the conversation
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depending on what you want to actually hear about.
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Nick, your head's looking extra smooth today. How are you feeling?
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Feeling good, buddy. Got up early, did a workout, got all pumped and ready to
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rock out with today's guest.
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How are you doing? That's what I like to hear. You got, that's,
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you know what, clean, precise, I like it.
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I think there's no more to say other than what the people are actually here to see.
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What do you reckon we kick on? More importantly, it's who they're here to see.
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Because friends, our guest is returning for their second visit.
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Why have we allowed him to return for a second time?
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Because this cat has won another, not one, not three, well, not yet,
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but definitely two FISM Awards.
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Friends, he's one of the favorites of the pod and one of our most favorite people
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ever. We've had the pleasure of interviewing him before.
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He's got an amazing new product coming out. It's an amazing new deck shell.
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And we're here to talk all about it.
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So please welcome back our friend and yours, Mr. Morton Christensen.
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Woo! Woo! Woo!
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Morten Gridenson, welcome back to the show. For folks meeting you for the first
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time, please tell them who are you and what do you do?
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I do magic and I'm pretty good.
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And now you can say it. Now it's verified. It wasn't a fluke.
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If people don't know me, which would be most of them.
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Yeah, I've done a few competitions and it went well.
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And so if people care at all about fism
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then i'm pretty good and if they don't give
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a shit that makes sense it's actually
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funny because even when when morton and i first met we actually
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met at a it was penn and teller's show
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in vegas and with there was a whole bunch of vip seats and
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whatever else and so i'm walking past like all these other folks and then on
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a separate little couch by his loans and was morton and we had the pleasure
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of sitting next to him and i'm looking at this cat being like you look familiar
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dude and so i'm trying to strike up conversation and be polite and morton's
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just being like yeah i i do some magic like it wasn't even like yeah you know,
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and i'm like didn't you win fizz and he's like yeah and
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then yeah then we set up a friendship and he came into the podcast for the first
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time and now he's here back here for a second i think it's just very danish
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of me to be like yeah yeah i did something and yeah like yeah so in danish In
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Danish terms, is that actually considered bragging?
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Like if you actually admit to being semi-decent?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Full on, you'll be like, okay, calm down, calm down.
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Yeah. Well, let's just take a quick second. Let's just take a quick second because
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we spoke about it before the pod.
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Let's just let people truly appreciate what the accolade means.
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So firstly, you are the first Dutchman to win a FISM award in how long?
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I'm the first magician to win FISM, first place at FISM twice in 40 years.
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So yeah, nobody has won FISM twice in 40 years. And then I am the first magician
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to win FISM back-to-back in two different categories, stage and close-up.
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And again, two first-place trophies. Everybody can get a trophy. You guys have a trophy.
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Everybody can get a trophy. But first place.
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Yeah, but we are exceptional. So, you know. Yeah, we're pretty good.
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So, yeah, that's the thing people might know me from Because the thing is,
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I feel like I was a pretty decent magician four years ago, before all of the
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success, air quotes, success.
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But FISM really helped me get people to notice me, so I got to do fun stuff.
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So since then, I've done a few products, done Fool Us twice.
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I'm always surprised when people say, I've been following you for five years. You shouldn't have.
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It makes sense if they've been following you now for a couple of years since FISM.
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But when people are like, I've been following you since before FISM.
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Okay that's creepy yeah that's fine
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so that's it so look so
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i i definitely want to talk about like the product eventually but
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there's just so much more to you than just releasing awesome products one
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of which i i purchased i have your uh the giant uh giant jumbo card routine
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which is just brilliant you know it's a pack small play enormous sort of effect
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yeah but more so if we're going to focus on what you've done with vism and competition
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acts competition acts is just one of those things We were having a conversation
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just before the show about competition acts in general.
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And I was sharing a story about hanging out with one of our FISM winners in
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Australia, which is Simon Coronel.
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The goat. And I'm the goat. And he had politely said to me that like,
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you're not made for competition, Nick.
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Like competition acts are a totally different beast.
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You belong doing stuff like this, this, this, but not competitions.
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And it was honestly some of the best advice I ever had. And so there's,
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that's worth leaning into.
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And now that you're a two-time champion what's your advice on this on putting
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together a competition hat if you can if you don't have to do compositions then
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don't like the same thing as simon told you like like if you don't need it then don't do it like.
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But for me, it helps because it put my name out there and I fit in that venue.
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I like making an act.
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I like going above and beyond to full magicians.
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But again, if you're just a standard, not to sound like, oh,
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it's shitty and normal and whatever, but if you're just a standard magician,
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you don't need a competition.
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You can make money and have a career without needing that.
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And if if i had gotten a little
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more traction without competitions i probably wouldn't have done
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it because but if for me it was a good way to like
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get my name out there to do those things i wanted to do
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so i don't know if
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i have any advice like don't do it because
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it's a waste of time is that is that a
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good like i don't know well i i
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think if we were going to explore just a little bit genuinely isn't
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there are certain categories that you must keep in mind in order
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to knock out yeah and that's the thing like making
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a competition act is like almost
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useless unless you know like what what
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venues that's going to play in because as a normal like gigging magician having
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a fism act is going to be worthless because you make an act that fits in that
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fism or competition like arena where you make an act that earns points in these
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different categories that you might not care about.
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Like, because it's like your skill level, your originality, your magic atmosphere,
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like all these things that might not be worth it, like for the just standard working magician.
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And for me, the competition card was always just like a side hobby in magic,
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that that was a place to make stuff that might not be really practical,
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but was like improving on the art or whatever you want to call it to then impress magicians.
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And then luckily I make stuff that also works for lay people and works in the real world.
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Because all my stuff goes through my normal show in a comedy club where it's
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funny enough and it's good enough magic.
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And then I sprinkle on it a little bit of the magicians, almost making it more
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impractical to be better for magicians.
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So because in a competition of course everybody's in the front
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so in comedy clubs the angles are bad
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but in a competition i can control everything so i
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can make some stuff that i would not do in a regular gig because
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i know literally where everybody's sitting because it's
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part of the competition so yeah what
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i find interesting about your magic for someone who's had the
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pleasure of seeing you perform live is that everything you do looks so
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effortless and i've always been curious how much
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of the engineering made it
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simple or is it actually hidden complexity
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like how does it like what is it i'm assuming it's one
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of the two yeah what i i just it's playing to my strength that i'm that they
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the the fisimax from 2022 is all misdirection based which was fertile because
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I'm pretty decent at choreographing that,
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but also it was a way of not necessarily having the best pass or whatever.
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Not that I do that in the act, but if I cover everything in misdirection,
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I don't need to be that skilled technically.
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But if I choreograph it well, that is even a better technical skill.
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And then, of course, method-wise, I want to go above and beyond to make the
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best methods because I want to fool everybody.
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I want the methods to either be so fooling that people, like magicians and elite
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people, so fooling that they don't know or if they have a guess,
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it should be impressive or interesting enough for them to be like,
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oh, he could do this, but that's not possible.
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Or would you do that? Oh, that seems impractical. Or nobody would do that.
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I want them to like, be curious like and
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think about no really almost to
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where like it sounds like almost to where like you yourself
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are content with the method yeah that
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even if someone figured it out it's still
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impressive like if the most advanced you know knowledgeable magician figured
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out they're like oh wow that is new and that's impressive so it's almost like
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either scale is gonna enjoy it but the funny thing with layman is you know I
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think we talked about this with someone the other week like there's kind of a scale where like.
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A layman just has to either be fooled or not fooled like there's
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no like real ratio yeah and so usually what my experience is that lay people
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judge the magician on like oh the trick worked oh he must be good right that's
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all they see oh the trick the trick worked he found the card or I'm fooled he
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must be good and they don't see the
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the skill behind it or the interesting methods
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or the thought that's put into it or even the performance like
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yeah they don't they don't see that we're just we're
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the trick and not the perform performer and i
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want all of that to be interesting like if you took the magic away
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from me i think i'm still funny and entertaining and and even the if you could
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do my act and tell people right afterwards and i think they will still they'll
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still be like oh he was really good where if they see Invisible Deck and afterwards
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you tell them like, oh, they're stuck together and back to back.
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Oh okay then there's nothing left where i think you can still tell them all
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my secrets and they will be like
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wait did did he get away with that and we didn't see it and the like yeah.
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So i think it comes across in sorry
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last thing i think it what it does though is it does come across
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in your energy like somebody could
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do invisible deck or vanishing bandana
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right to a late audience and they technically would
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laugh and say it's funny and be fooled and then also
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think your act is funny and be fooled and and be
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amazed but the difference probably is like i think
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they can tell your energy and how enthusiastic you are
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yeah and i truly believe the fact yeah because
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of the fact that you're so into it i think that shows
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and that's probably a reason why you would do that and not
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the standard 10 commercial tricks you
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know yeah i truly believe if if uh like
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i never force playing cards because it's
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not a method i'm interested in i think that that is
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yeah i'm just not interested so having like a
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named card just name a card or think of a card and i think they can feel that
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that is fair because of my attitude the way i the way i presented i feel like
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they can feel that that is more fair than pick one so stop yeah so.
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So I think, yeah, they can feel when it is genuine or when it's more fair or whatever.
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And yeah, and I like that.
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You know, you said that you want to fool everyone, and that's magicians and audiences alike.
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But I'm curious, because you've had so many opportunities to perform for magicians,
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have you ever created something,
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perhaps a phase in a routine in which it fooled the magicians,
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but for whatever reason, like it didn't land with the reactions you wanted from a lay audience?
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Yeah, I'm sure I've done that.
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Do I have an example? I remember with the misdirection FISM Act.
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If it's not for the right audience, like if they're not into magic or for whatever
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reason, some of that misdirection stuff literally goes over their head because they don't see it.
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And then if they're not invested enough, they miss it because they don't realize an effect happened.
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So that's sometimes... Misdirection stuff is great for magicians because they
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all know that, oh my God, got us.
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Yeah. Are you talking about almost like a red herring? Like you'll do things
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that magicians think you're about to do a move, but then you shouldn't.
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No, no, I would never, I would never like play into that.
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But like just the idea of misdirection, magicians will, will know that they were fooled.
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Because like they, they, yeah, they, they were following along and they know,
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oh, okay, that shouldn't have happened.
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I must have looked the way where sometimes lay people, again,
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if there's not the right audience, they could sometimes just like sewn
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out and be like oh i must have missed it and they
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see it not as a as a magic misdirection trick
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they see it more like oh i must have missed it off like it's
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nothing special for them but i have i'm sure i've made some like methods where
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it is way more complicated technically just to fool magicians and i could do
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i have so many tricks where like again it's not a force it's a named card but
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it could be it could be a force and it would be the same thing.
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Like my, the Fism Act I won with last year in Power of Magic, the whole act.
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Could be done with a force or with an instant stooge
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and it would look the same but it's an act where
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any card is freely named freely
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named and i i have predicted that card like 10 times like wait like a big amount
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of places that card is just oh this is in my pocket here it's in my pocket here
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and like that it's confusing for magicians that it's a free choice but for many
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people, it could just be like, ah,
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he must have planned it. Like, ah, he forked it, or whatever.
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And I remember at FISM, people came up to me, like, and were like,
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oh my god, it's so good, I'm so fooled, unless it's an instant stooge.
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Because, again, if I had just instant stooge my spectator, this would look the same.
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And I think it was easier to think that this big dumb guy probably just instant
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stooge somebody instead of having what I think is pretty clever methods to get
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away with this being a freely named card.
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So I was actually very worried after this. I'm like, do the judges know that I'm better than...
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It's an interesting question we just have had in the chat here from Scott,
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which is, do you think if it's too impossible, people lose interest?
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I don't know if they lose interest, but the too impossible thing is always worth thinking about.
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And like either if it's too impossible because oh
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it must be a stooge or too impossible like oh
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that's too magical so we know it must be gimmicked right
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right like uh for me the which is always the thing i think about in my head
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the the healed and sealed soda can which is a great trick but i i think that
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is too impossible too magical so because it is so good and magical it gives
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it away that that can is gimmicked.
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And that's so, so that way that's too impossible in my head.
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And the same thing with clean mentalism, like, oh, that must have been a stooge.
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That must have been planned.
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So yes, I think about that, but I don't know if they would lose interest because
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you, both of the things I just mentioned, you can still do, but you would switch the soda can.
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You could, you could make convincers that proves that this is not set up or
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an instant stooge or a stooge or whatever.
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I don't know if they would lose interest, but I did this thing when I was working
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on the new FISMAC with the Freelanian card.
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I did it in Austria for a few weeks. And then the host, it was in a magic venue.
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And then the host, I didn't ask him to do this, but I think he was fooled himself
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that he wanted to check with the audience.
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So he went out after my act and he would be like, oh, what you saw Morten do,
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raise your hand if you think that it was a free choice.
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And they would raise their hand. And then raise your hand if you think that some of it was planned.
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And people, none of them raised their hands when they were asking if it was planned.
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They were all like, no, no, we know this is fair because I threw out a paper
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ball and they were part of the process.
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So again, I feel like they can feel that this is fair.
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But it was a concern. One of my magician friends did say in that process,
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like, but it's too fair. Nobody can predict a card that many times if it's not a force.
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And I'm like, yeah, yeah, but that's the trick. That's why this is worth the
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FISM award, because I have those methods to make it like a free choice.
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Yeah, I don't think it'll lose interest. I think that's just about the performer.
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Like, you could read my mind right now and be like, are you thinking of this
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and this and this? But if you're a bad performer, I won't care.
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So that's probably what it's more likely yeah if you're
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a boring performer they're not gonna you got
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to make them care and then the effect is the extra thing
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yeah right the tool yeah i
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remember someone saying to me some while ago that if you're
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going to be a roving magician you're guaranteed to ruin
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at least one person's night and i just went and
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i went if you're performing for him yes yeah
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that was my answer to that interesting yeah yeah
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yeah that's
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maybe whoever told you that maybe yeah they should
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look look within themselves and find
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the problem yeah most definitely now what
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i'm curious about is comedy magic you are so good
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at it is the first thing we have to acknowledge pretty sure you ignore
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for that so we wear that one and you
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know the old saying goes i think it might have been rich marauder or something
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that said something to the effect of like typically magician
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is good does comedy magic is good at neither there is
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things there's things in that that i have been
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theorizing for a very long time and i'm just curious what your thoughts with
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regards to applying comedy and magic and i i started asking myself questions
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like has the joke ever killed the magic or do you ever find that like trying
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to balance the funny with the magic is a bit of a challenge in itself. Oh, uh...
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No, all of this is just, yeah, if somebody wants to do comedy magic or comedy
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and be funny and whatever, I would just say, yeah, think about it.
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Like, because I've made specific choices that is, that I want good magic and I want it to be funny.
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Like, I don't want to sacrifice either of them. And yes, there's that thing
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of either it's not funny or it's not magical or neither.
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And and i remember at fism three years ago
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where it was my first international competition i had
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no idea like if what i've been working on here was
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at the level and then all of a sudden i i get
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this feedback from all of these people that i really admire and
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they're like they're telling me how funny i was
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and that that they were actually fooled and that rarely
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happens with a comedy magician and and that
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it was funny comedy and funny magic good magic
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and and that's just what i go for i would i will never
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sacrifice a trick for the joke i will
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i don't do like prop comedy magic bullshit
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like because it's not my style i'm not good at it it doesn't speak to me but
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that doesn't mean i don't think the amazing jonathan was really funny even though
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i would never like treat magic the same way for me it's strong magic and funny
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comedy and then it's yeah I won't, of course,
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I won't like step on the magic with a joke that I will need.
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So, of course, I have played it out like I'm funny at this moment.
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But if there's some process that's important, I will shut up or whatever it
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is. But I am, if you ask me.
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When i perform i would i would say i'm a comedian when i perform which i know is weird because,
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like i am a magician like deep down i'm a magician because that is what i'm showing people,
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but when i'm on stage my most the most important thing for me is that i am funny
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or entertaining like and because
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to be honest i don't think magic is that interesting i think magic is.
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I fully understand when people are like i don't like magic
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yeah i get it because it's it's like i know
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something you don't oh you're so stupid like i
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get that part of it yeah yeah that's how i open my show
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actually yeah it's a great line to get them you're so
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stupid so for me when i perform i'm a comedian it's way more important that
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it's funny but but i don't want to like step on the magic and i have done this
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i'm sure everybody's done this i i i'm self-deprecating and i put I put down
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the magic a little bit, like,
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oh, yeah, I'm a magician. I know.
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My parents are so proud. But, of course, I do that with love,
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and I like what I do, because why else would I show them?
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And they came to my show, and, yeah.
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But also, comedy magic-wise, don't do it if you're not funny.
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But, of course, that's really hard advice to hear if all you want to do is be the funny comedy guy.
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But it's like, I'm a strong believer in you cannot, like, teach funny.
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You're funny or you're not. And you'll develop it early in your childhood,
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like, for whatever reason.
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But it's like the same thing. I wish that I could, like, be a good mentalist.
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Because I like the methods. I think it's interesting. But also because that,
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like, most of the most successful, like, magicians I know are mentalists.
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Because they're working with a whole other status in the lay people's minds
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and the way it's portrayed more as real or whatever you do.
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But I can't pull it off because I'm this big, goofy, dumb guy.
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You don't believe I can read somebody's mind.
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So, play to your strength. Don't be, don't try to be a comedian if you're not.
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Yeah. So. Good advice. We have Alex Boyer chiming in in the chat here.
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First of all, he said you were instantly likable when he first saw you,
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but then he's now asking, like,
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do you think magic is a tool to fuel the comedy or is it the opposite?
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Oh, that's. Like, do you do magic to enhance how funny your act is or are you
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funny to enhance how magical overall the act is?
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But for me, the comedy could stand alone and the magic could stand alone.
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And I think that is the goal, at least for me, that if you take the magic away
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from me, I'm still comfortable being in front of people and being funny.
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And if you take the comedy away and I'm just left with the trick,
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the tricks are still good.
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What would you prefer, though? Would you prefer going up, doing no magic, but absolutely...
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Laughing the pants off everyone or would you rather go up not
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be funny but do like the most serious bit like just brain
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exploding act i would i would always choose the comedy because
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that's the entertaining part again magic by
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itself is not entertaining magic is a puzzle and i that's why i got interested
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in magic i like the puzzle of making of making a trick work like how do you
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how do you solve this thing that should not be possible that's what i like but
26:29
that's not really entertaining.
26:32
You need somebody else. So to be honest, the magic and the comedy,
26:37
in my mind, does not complement each other because one of them is serious and
26:43
dumb, like I know something you don't, and the other one is,
26:46
funny and light and whatever so they
26:49
don't really match and that's why i
26:52
think a lot of like comedy magic what we think
26:55
about like silly tricks that is meant to
26:57
be funny like maybe the the banana bandana or something just feels cheesy and
27:04
not funny because it is you've tried to blend them in a weird way where i i
27:10
do strong magic and then i as a person i am funny around that,
27:16
so the tricks are still good tricks like so
27:19
strong and then it's just the way i
27:22
act around that that is the comedy um so
27:27
but of course a good trick or a
27:30
good premise fuels the comedy if you
27:33
have a good premise in play like or having
27:36
people on stage that of course if they if they're
27:40
there to help with the trick that is what fuels the conversation or whatever
27:43
is gonna yeah help so yes it fuels the comedy but you have to know what you're
27:49
doing and play to that instead of just making a a funny trick where oh look
27:55
it's a banana instead i'm so stupid.
28:00
Yeah so you're the you're starting with the
28:03
effect how devious can i make the effect
28:06
and now how can i make that super funny as
28:10
opposed to like what's a funny premise okay and
28:12
now what magic can i build around it like you're going magic
28:16
first yeah i i am very much interested in the mat the trick and the method but
28:22
i will start anywhere whatever interests me but i have made a lot of tricks
28:26
where they could be played way more seriously or or the method is actually too
28:32
interesting to put in a comedy context,
28:35
but then that's just the challenge of how do I make this play?
28:40
When it doesn't really say comedy when you see it.
28:45
And then I'll try and write my way out of it. But again, I will accept that
28:49
there's some stuff that I just can't pull off, that my character or the way
28:53
I look does not fit with whatever I'm trying to do.
28:58
And that's fine with me. Like, I don't, it doesn't matter. I make so much stuff
29:03
that, yeah, not all of it is going to work.
29:06
And of course, that's also a good way of creating. like
29:09
just keep creating even stuff i don't need like the
29:12
other day i looked into dove magic i don't i will
29:15
never produce a dove and i'm not interested in that but i looked into it because
29:18
some of the methods are interesting or the the actually one specific piece of
29:22
choreography i'm like oh wait that would help me in some other way so just not
29:26
even uh looking at stuff like that not even two ducks i don't i don't want to produce a duck.
29:36
So you know you said that you create so much stuff and you
29:39
know it doesn't always work and i'm curious what what's harder to recover
29:42
from is it harder to recover from magic going
29:45
wrong or comedy going wrong oh what's harder
29:48
to recover but what
29:51
is comedy going wrong isn't that just people don't like
29:54
oh i didn't like that joke oh well i guess
29:57
i guess the worst on a scale it'd be like a
30:00
joke didn't land that's like not so bad but
30:03
if your catastrophe is like a joke offended that
30:07
would be a yeah oh but if they're offended they're idiots
30:10
and no i don't i don't know like comedy wise i'm like anything goes really unless
30:18
you're like unless it's deliberate hate speech hate speech or you're like being
30:23
like deliberately offensive to one person but comedy wise anything goes really.
30:30
Having a trick go wrong would i think would be more awkward but also because
30:36
of that i know like the way i decide a lot of my stuff is that they can they
30:42
can survive it going wrong because.
30:45
I i a trick if you build up
30:48
a trick for like five minutes and all this process of
30:50
this the fair selection of this and this happened and
30:53
this happened and then then five or six minutes later it
30:56
didn't work that's a lot of time it's just wasted
30:59
and that's hard to recover from where if it's
31:02
a shorter piece or there's jokes along
31:05
the way and then oh it didn't work but we had fun like
31:08
and that's how i how i would make my stuff that
31:11
i would make sure that like the trick is not
31:14
the trick is not the important thing i am on stage to
31:17
entertain you so it is it is hopefully entertaining
31:20
the whole way through and then oh something magical
31:23
happened but even if it doesn't who cares we
31:27
had fun can we try a little
31:30
a little experiment here like let's say you were
31:33
doing healed and sealed like you mentioned how would
31:38
how would how would the character morton get out of this or be funny and move
31:43
on if you've just built up healed and sealed for two minutes but the moment
31:46
you show the crush can and you start to shake it you just see so to start spraying
31:50
out either side like like as a comedy brain what what comes to mind for you,
31:56
i think in that case and i think in most situations like that i would just admit
32:00
what happened and i and i'd heard advice that's completely the complete opposite
32:05
when i first started magic like don't let them see your sweat don't don't ever
32:10
admit to anything but but i'm like oh but they saw it like oh.
32:15
That shouldn't look like that or it it's clearly a mistake or whatever so in
32:19
most situations i would probably just tell them like oh this was supposed to
32:23
do this and you would have loved it,
32:25
but look how clever it is but it didn't work but i wish it
32:28
did or like just being honest with them like that's probably
32:31
what i would do in most situations yeah because trying
32:34
to like oh oh nothing nothing
32:37
okay like a carton step like that feels
32:40
like a way bigger mistake yeah so
32:44
what i like is that you're leading with honesty as well there's something
32:46
you know when p when the world lacks you know
32:50
everything being genuine nowadays it's actually quite nice
32:53
that you were just so genuine and honest and that just went i like this guy
32:57
he's genuine he's honest but that's like how real life and what i know like
33:02
uh how i like being attracted with that there's no bullshit like it's a trick
33:07
or this or that because yeah there's no reason not to just be honest,
33:12
and especially because magic is so dishonest to begin with,
33:16
like I like being as honest as I can, I literally like I hate lying and I'm
33:20
so I don't do it, like even in like simple tricks where like,
33:26
oh I do a double lift and then so now I say okay hold the two of spades.
33:31
That is a lie to me because I'm not handing them the two, but so just changing
33:37
that line of saying, look at this card,
33:40
could you hold this suddenly i'm
33:42
not lying i'm telling you could you hold this and
33:45
then it's it's changed so stuff like
33:48
that it's i get to be honest the whole way through which means
33:52
that if stuff goes wrong it's the same way i would act was it because jerry
33:58
andrews was that was like i never told a lie on stage was that what it was who
34:03
was it there was a particular magician was i don't know if it was jerry andrews
34:06
or he was like he never told a lie and even if he did like he was just like he like purposely,
34:11
like when he performed his magic.
34:13
But I'm curious, like- I don't think it's necessary telling a lie.
34:17
Because even like i know this saying of
34:20
oh magicians are the most honest people in the world we tell you
34:23
we'll trick you and then we do or something yeah kind of
34:26
true like but i don't see magic as like like
34:29
negative in that way that i'm lying to get away with
34:32
this no no i just i i know a little extra piece
34:35
of information you don't and i'm honest to
34:38
you about like i don't want to tell you but watch
34:42
watch what i can do you know there's a
34:45
question here about influences obviously we all have so many magical influences
34:49
you know there would be through tommy wonder or whoever we tend to study but
34:53
with you being so well versed in comedy we have a question here from the great
34:59
grandini which is who are your comedy inspirations it's super much like pinpoint
35:04
one or like something like that.
35:08
I look at everything and.
35:11
Like a sponge, I just collect all the things I like and, yeah,
35:19
what's that saying of, like, you don't steal from one, you steal from everybody,
35:26
and then you mix it together, and that way it looks original,
35:29
whatever. That's good advice.
35:32
So, but, yeah, comedy-wise, it's just, yeah, everything.
35:36
The reason i ask is like i mean you're a very young guy you
35:39
know comparative to myself and so like i grew up on things like jerry
35:42
lewis and so forth and yeah a lot of people me like
35:45
especially very early in my career they're like you know you have like
35:48
you're funny like a jim carrey character and i was like right and
35:51
it wasn't my intention it was just yeah what came out actually and
35:54
it's because it's what i grew up with i grew up with jim carrey and
35:56
the guy in ace ventura and steve martin
35:59
and yeah you know jerry lewis was was
36:02
my biggest one growing up as a kid like if i was ever running around
36:05
in in the yard and so forth and i ran past the tv i'm
36:08
like whoa and it was on tv like it was just sit down
36:11
in front of the tv yeah you know watch yeah like comedy
36:16
wise of course there's people i look up to and people i like in certain
36:19
styles i like and even
36:22
things i wouldn't like i i would not do but i'm willing to look at everything
36:27
but i'm yeah again it's it's comedy is most important if you're not funny i
36:32
don't want to i don't want to see the show or something But like some of my
36:36
big inspirations are in comedy is Steve Boysen is one of the big ones for me.
36:41
And then Bo Burnham and then like Jimmy Carr, maybe like just a joke,
36:47
joke, joke comedian and...
36:50
And again, even Jimmy Carr, like he seems like it's kind of a character that
36:55
he is that rude or whatever. But he's really honest about it. It's jokes.
36:59
And he seems very smart in real life. I haven't met him, but like he knows what
37:04
he's doing. It's jokes. Like, come on.
37:07
But like literally the other day, I came home from Switzerland like seven hours
37:12
ago or something. I was at a convention.
37:15
Amazing lineup in the show. and after we did the
37:17
show and this is a show there's 10 10
37:21
fism winners in this show oh you won't believe this lineup this was incredible
37:25
like every grand prix fism winner ever was in this show so we did this show
37:30
great show and i went back to my hotel room and to fall asleep i have always
37:35
like permanently on my ipad i have on netflix downloaded bo burnham's make happy.
37:40
Something because i have no wi-fi so i just i watched i put that on and and i'm just like,
37:46
we just did the show where with all these world champions
37:49
of of magic and i watched the
37:52
show i'm like i have no talent and i do
37:57
that i do that all the time i love i love i love bobertum and
38:00
i love that show and every time i look at it i'm like why am
38:03
i even calling myself a performer like and
38:07
the same with with inside with his that show like
38:10
i'm like i have no talent like and especially make
38:13
happy because in that show he's like he was 25 i'm like
38:16
i have no talent like the way that's put together how.
38:20
Original how funny that is but of course
38:22
that also pushes me to be like i have to be better have to
38:25
be better so yeah comedy wise
38:28
that's that's why i think bo burnham and steve martin are big influences
38:31
because they're more than just comedians they
38:34
have something else bow does the music thing and steve
38:37
martian did whatever and i
38:41
really like that there's something extra to show that it
38:45
feels like there's something like look i'm going to show you this thing and
38:48
even if it's bad it's like oh okay there is
38:51
something where jimmy carr would just stand
38:54
in front of you for an hour and tell jokes and it's
38:57
great i like that but i i like when
39:00
there's something to show like oh here's something i've been playing
39:03
with or working on or whatever and i think that's why
39:05
beau and steve marston are like some of my big influences because they're they
39:10
have something and especially steve marston because i remember when i was younger
39:14
i i was always very much into comedy and of course like learning setup punchline
39:19
how do you write a joke and all that but it also felt like too like.
39:25
Like, uh, formulaic that all you have to follow this formula to then all set
39:31
up, set up, set up, then they laughed.
39:33
And Steve Marston have talked about this thing that I, that I thought,
39:37
thought of myself that, wait, what if, what if there's no punchline?
39:41
What if it's just like absurd or weird or anything until they laugh because
39:47
they can't like, I don't know, I can't handle it anymore. And they choose when it's funny.
39:51
And I remember him talking about that in, in his book, I think that just,
39:56
they will choose when it's funny because if it just keeps being absurd and weird,
40:01
eventually you're going to crack.
40:04
So, yeah, Steve Marston's big influence. That's like the, yeah,
40:08
his great, the great Flaidini act, right? There's no, like, dramatic ending.
40:13
It's just, like, it just keeps getting weird. Yeah, just the same all the way through.
40:16
Yeah, and, like, he's playing, is he, like, he plays the guitar for dogs or something?
40:22
Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. And they slowly leave one at a time.
40:26
And eventually, like, it's funny.
40:29
Also, one of my big, like, one of the things I think is the funniest in the
40:33
world is, Just keep going.
40:35
Like, the more of something, like, eventually it'll become funny.
40:39
If you keep repeating the same thing or, like, more stuff happens,
40:43
like, eventually, like, it'll be funny.
40:46
Or if smaller and smaller bags keep coming out of the house.
40:50
Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah. So, I have a bunch of stuff like that where if you don't
40:54
like it, like, you will like it in two minutes because I'll keep going.
40:59
So, is that good advice for magicians' ambitious card routine?
41:04
No, no, because that's the magic that's bad.
41:08
That ambitious card is stupid and wrong, and nobody should do it.
41:14
You shouldn't just keep doing it until they like it.
41:18
Well, speaking of card magic, there is an amazing new deck switching shell on
41:23
the market released by you, good sir.
41:26
Please, let's dive into this.
41:28
Tell us all about it. Oh, what a great segue.
41:31
Oh, okay. That almost sounded natural. oh thank you for asking Nick yes I do
41:37
have something put out on the magic market for anybody that is interesting in
41:42
having a deck shell to switch a deck in performance thank you,
41:48
yeah I've produced a,
41:53
deck switching shell and i've called it morden's deck
41:56
switching shell because i am morden and it's
41:59
a deck switching shell so that seemed like the best name and
42:03
also because i didn't want to like i didn't want to try and fool any magicians
42:07
to be to like oh what is it no this is what it is it's a tool you'll get my
42:12
hand links for it and a couple of routines i'll use it but but all it is it
42:16
is what looks like a a box of cards but in reality this is a shell made of plastic
42:22
that holds another deck that can be switched in.
42:25
So I can do a deck switch right in front of people. They can shuffle my cards, and I do a silly joke.
42:31
And then in that action, I have switched the deck they just shuffled for another
42:36
one, and then that could be set up and stacked or whatever for anything.
42:39
And I have a couple of routines for it. But the reason why I put it out was
42:44
because I've added a little extra thing to the design of a deck shell.
42:49
So if anybody's ever worked with that tool before, I've added something very
42:53
simple, no moving parts,
42:55
but something that allows the deck shell to be in my pocket with the deck held secure,
43:01
and then you can bring it out with one hand and be in procession,
43:04
and nothing needs to be squared up, nothing is going to fall out,
43:08
and it's ready for a deck switch anytime, anywhere.
43:11
And it is also, from my research, the only deck shell you can place on the table.
43:16
With one hand and pick it back up without the cards falling out.
43:21
But if you want them to fall out, they can fall out. so
43:24
they can either stay on the table or they can come back
43:27
with the shell so that yeah
43:30
there's nothing like if you only buy
43:33
this product if you need a deck shell for a deck switch and that is why i called
43:36
it morden's deck switching shell so there's nothing like oh my god what is it
43:40
it's a shell for switching so if you need a good deck switch this might be it
43:46
i don't know but i've worked with all the different deck shells that's on the
43:49
market currently like christian emblem's the cooler,
43:52
Greg Wilson's cold case, Dean Dill's blizzard,
43:55
all of these shells, and I think I have fixed some, let's say,
44:00
problems, even though that's...
44:01
I don't say there's problems with those shells, but some handling issues I had,
44:05
and after showing it to, like.
44:08
Magicians i looked up to they were like oh my god that solves some problems for for them as well like,
44:13
joshua j and he was he wanted one immediately i might i'll be great if he wants
44:17
one that that i might be onto something and then paul wilson and a handful of
44:23
other people were like this is something and then i got a spanish company to
44:26
produce it so this is available at any,
44:29
murphy's magic dealer so your local magic shop will have this probably but don't
44:35
buy it i don't here it's just it's a deck show come on let's be honest nick
44:39
nobody needs a deck show why would you nick it's it's a deck switch why would
44:44
you need a deck switch i'm sure you've lived.
44:48
Anybody listening to this you have you've gotten to this
44:51
point in your life without a deck show you probably don't
44:54
need one okay so but if
44:57
you want one yeah i made these and they're nice and they
45:00
work and i've got there's a couple
45:03
of fun routines and i give you my my handling and choreography
45:06
and i talk you through it and and it's
45:09
for that it's it's a good product if you need it actually but
45:12
let's be honest you don't need it actually so you can
45:16
buy it if you you you if you're interested and
45:19
you want to support me and you want to watch me
45:22
for 50 minutes trying to explain this to
45:25
a camera and i am awful no i'm not but
45:29
like like right now i'm like how do i
45:31
explain this to people it's uh it's
45:34
it's made of plastic and it's good so yeah but like a good example for for the
45:41
everyday magician might be you want to end your roving set with like something
45:45
one-off memorable and strong so you might have gathered everyone around and
45:50
done all of this crazy signed card stuff and Horned Deck and all this stuff,
45:54
but then you want to deck switch out and do like a story deck routine or something
45:58
that involves the whole deck.
45:59
Oh, like literally, I believe this, that this is the best deck switch.
46:05
On the market. At least something that is, put this in your pocket and you're ready.
46:10
Of course, you can make a deck switch where you have a secret pocket in your
46:13
jacket and you release something, but for something that is just can be put in your pocket,
46:19
I think this is the most practical deck switch that's out there because how
46:24
I've designed the shell, it holds everything securely, so,
46:28
even just holding the shell this casually is part of it that,
46:33
again, people feel the honesty.
46:35
Oh, he's not holding something awkward.
46:39
That's not how you hold a closed box of cards.
46:43
And because of those features, I can place it on the table.
46:46
So yes, I can, in that situation, just place it right in front of people and
46:50
not be afraid because it does hold everything secure.
46:53
So for that situation, I do think it's the best deck switch.
46:57
And I'm not just saying that because it's my product and I put it out,
47:00
but I'm also saying it because it's my product and I put it out. So, I don't know.
47:06
You can't trust me because I think I'm making money off this. I'm not sure.
47:12
It's a Spanish company that does this for me. And they told me they would give
47:16
me money, but I haven't seen them yet. So...
47:21
I'm sure that there'll be some money eventually no if you need a deck show,
47:26
this works I stand by this if you buy this and you don't like it I'll give you
47:32
your money back okay I can't say that because again I didn't receive any money so maybe not,
47:38
well that would be easy to give the money back that you received I really stand
47:41
by this I don't put stuff out that often,
47:45
because I don't I worked in a magic show I get a little tired of people that
47:50
put out stuff just to make money. And there's a lot of those people in Magic.
47:56
I put out stuff that I've worked with. And right now I put out the jumbo card trick with Van Schenk.
48:03
I stand by that. That's a good trick for what it is.
48:05
And I stand by this. This is a tool I use all the time.
48:10
And then I produce some extra notes myself and everything there.
48:13
I'm like, okay, this is not just bullshit I'm making up to get money.
48:17
Also, I'm a horrible businessman, so I sell everything way too cheap.
48:23
So when this company in Spain wanted to do it, I was like, you decide what you owe. I don't care.
48:29
And I think that's why I haven't received any money yet, actually.
48:34
I don't know. So yeah, I'm putting it out to share and then nothing else.
48:40
So if people are interested, it's fine. If not, okay.
48:45
Who needs a deck shell? Let's be honest. like who needs a deck show?
48:48
I think every stack worker, this is something that they should really consider to help strengthen.
48:54
That's true. But it's also most people that I've shown it to that are interested
48:58
is people working with a memorized deck.
49:01
It is to switch in a memorized deck or anything like that. And that's what I
49:04
use it for. I have it with me. I have two decks.
49:08
One is in here that is stacked and one I use that's stacked.
49:11
And then if my first deck is shuffled, either by mistake or anything,
49:16
thing, I can always switch in for another one. That's what I use it mainly for.
49:21
Yeah it's but also it's like it's it's interesting
49:24
that i have this idea and now it's put out again just it's
49:27
to share and i looked like i researched all
49:30
the different shells on the market because i didn't want to put anything out
49:33
that that was just an old idea and like because again i care about the magic
49:39
community if this existed already i would i would just tell people oh this this
49:44
thing exists and it's great but it didn't exist so i had to make it and i think it's great,
49:49
so uh yeah if people yeah yeah we've we've sold a little bit and i'm very happy with that.
49:57
When we put it out so vanishing had exclusively for the first week i think it's
50:02
been out for maybe three weeks two weeks three weeks vanishing had exclusively for the first week,
50:09
and they have like a comment section where people are commenting
50:12
about it and and a few people are just mentioning oh it's like
50:15
a cold case is better or whatever is uh something
50:18
like that or that commenting on the video like oh
50:21
the switch looks a little like janky or whatever and i'm like yeah but we're
50:27
filming the move the spectator shouldn't see the move that's done in misdirection
50:32
so when we're just looking at like i saw it yeah we filmed the video for you
50:38
guys so but again it's just to be honest with what it is,
50:41
you see in the trailer how this is handled,
50:44
and it switches it out, but what I've added is the security of how that deck
50:48
is held before and after the switch.
50:51
So, if you look at the trailer, Morden's deck switching shell, you'll see, oh.
50:57
It just works like that so and i
51:01
don't want to fool anybody too with all
51:04
of and look i i'm sold you know
51:07
i've never i've never worked with a deck
51:10
switching device before i own one but
51:13
have never felt like it's going to do the job i need but you know hearing you
51:18
talk about it for this this period of time convinces me that it might actually
51:23
be a workable you know solution for what i'm doing which is yeah oh it's definitely
51:27
workable if it's just if you yeah need it for.
51:33
It's tipped the scale to where now i would use it
51:35
as opposed to the other ones just didn't quite fit like yeah
51:38
which one didn't you like roving situation talk to them a little
51:41
bit which one didn't you like come on come on yeah oh yeah well look specifically
51:48
greg wilson no no they're all great they are great it's just for for standing
51:53
up in a roving situation where you have pockets and you don't have a table that's
51:57
not preset and none of that,
51:59
I've always just felt a little bit like, ah, well, I could just,
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you know, get better at my false shuffles and, and, you know,
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just make it look like a shuffle deck and instead of it doesn't matter and switch it later.
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But, you know, talking about making, you made this, but I also know like Nick
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and I have seen like you make a lot of your props, if not all of them, perhaps.
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Yeah, all of them. And I'm guessing that brings you some joy,
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knowing that you've made all the stuff you're using. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Like, I cannot perform anybody's else's material because I feel awkward taking
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the credit for using somebody else's material.
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And I feel the same way with just my props. Like, I want to use my own props,
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like whatever this is, if I can...
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If I can make it, I'll make it. And I did that since I started Magic.
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Whenever I bought a gimmick, I would always try and remake it.
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First of all, to learn about that gimmick. Okay, how does it work?
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Okay, and to know I could fix it. And of course, that helped that I then taught
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myself to actually make stuff.
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So right now, yeah, everything I do is pretty much like, I will just learn how to make it.
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And a few years ago, I needed a bag for my show.
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Like we all have a like a prop case or a
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bag for the show and for the longest time
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i couldn't find one that i that fit what i wanted and eventually
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i was like i could also just make it and i'm i'm pretty decent with the sewing
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machine so i'm like oh okay and i i made like a doctor style bag that opens
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in the top and my stuff is in that um and i use that all the time and i get
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so much joy out of knowing that I made that.
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So what they look at on stage is me and that bag. And even though they don't know.
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I love the fact that i i know i made that and it
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that's that then also fits my show because of course it's
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made in some fabric that fits the my my
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whole vibe so yeah i will i'll just make if
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i need something i'll learn how to make that that's amazing
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and i love i love learning like
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how to do stuff i don't but and
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i think that's also just in in life in general but also
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especially in magic that the idea of um of
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not letting anything stop you like oh i would love a
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thing that could do this and this and this and then
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people would just be like i can't make that learn how to make it
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like and i live in a fairly like
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small apartment and for for how much crap
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i own this is not enough space but
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then i will just like bring in a
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table in the middle of my living room and then I'd put a like a
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saw and like whatever and and I will build stuff and like sawdust over the place
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and or like whatever it is I'll just I'll make it and then of course clean up
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because then the day after maybe I need to like make it a sewing studio to make a bag or whatever.
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And of course I can see that the stuff I made years ago is not as good as the
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stuff I make now or whatever but just learning how to make stuff,
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Yeah, I love that. And I think just changing your mindset to be like,
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oh, I could just learn it.
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Because you can learn everything on YouTube or just buy a tool and hope for the best.
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Is there an example that magicians could start with? Like something they could
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start making their own thing of?
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Whatever they need. They could also sew their own bag for the show.
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I know a bunch of magicians that got into 3D
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printing because it's great you can make your own small little
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gimmicks and i think every magician should have a 3d printer i think
55:43
they should have a sewing machine i remember mac king saying
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something this is like years ago 10 15 years ago saying something
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like if you don't have a sewing machine you're not a real magician dude the
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amount of sewing up something this week i kid you not like just just with repairing
55:59
my suits and so forth all my suits as hell and yeah i like i was just i was
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walking about and i was trying to sneak by something and a button came off and
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i was just thing of crap, you know,
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and then literally my sewing, it was in my closeup bag and I ended up sewing it like before the gig.
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Like I always have needle needles and thread with me to like do stuff like that.
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And also just knowing that if that happens, you're not like,
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Oh my God, I'm screwed. I need to go to a seamstress. No, just do it yourself.
56:25
So, but I, I see like getting a new tool is amazing.
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Like, and like a 3D printer sewing machine, a, I have a standing drill press
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just on my, in the floor of my living room, like a big drill.
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And it was on my, and it's just been staying at the same place in the corner
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of my living room. And it's because it's really, it's massive.
56:45
And it was there for a year before I even used it.
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But I knew I wanted one because I'm like, I need a drill press because it's
56:53
smart that it's, it holds the
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thing. and I can just pull the handle and I just knew, okay, I need this.
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And it was there for a year before I was like, I need it for this.
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But as soon as you have the tool, it opens up the creativity and knowing that,
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wait, I have this. I can make this.
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So I had another thing like, what's the grinder thing that can cut in metal?
57:21
See, I can't remember the name of the fucking saw thing. but so
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now i know okay i can i can i can angle grinder
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what an angle grinder an angle
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grinder that's the name of it perfect yes i got an angle grinder a little while
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back and suddenly i'm like oh my god i can cut anything this is this is the
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best tool in the world and and yeah so whenever i have a new tool it opens up
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so much like oh my god i can cut metal i've never been able to cut metal before.
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So yeah, just getting a new tool is the best.
57:54
I'm gimmicking a lot of wine bottle stuff at the moment. I'm just tinkering
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with heaps of different ideas. And so every glass thing,
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like object that i run out of so like
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it could be a jar of pickles as soon as it's empty like i wash it and then
58:07
i put it outside and i've got like a whole box on my balcony of just
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glass items that i'm accumulating because i need to practice
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cutting glass and and and
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it's annoying because like you want to keep the glass cool otherwise it shatters
58:19
and i've got like and so i'm trying to find places to do it so like i'm doing
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it in my laundry so it's a very deep sink and then i'm I just close the box and go recycle.
58:33
Like, there's all these crazy ways I'm doing stuff in that nature.
58:37
And I've got, like, glasses and, you know, gloves and PPE, like,
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just to make sure I don't cut myself up.
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But, yeah, it is that type of thing when you want to be creative.
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I think these are the moments that really set you apart because you can go and
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purchase every other gimmick or routine and perform it.
58:55
And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's just, I've said it in the past,
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like, you can be a cover band or you can be original.
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Yeah but but again just like
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you don't have to be the most creative person or the funniest person
59:07
but but but changing your
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mindset of how you think of yourself or the process is
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really useful that that i know like even
59:16
before i i decided on sewing my own bag i was
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looking like i because it was easier just to buy
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if i found a bag oh dude this looks nice and it fits all my props
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and i knew if i decided to
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make one i could make one where i think most people would be like i could never
59:32
make one but as soon as you like as soon as you say that to yourself you have
59:37
already tricked your brain into thinking you're gonna fail so you won't even
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try um so just being like oh i can make that sure yeah yeah all the question on the back of that is we,
59:48
Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. So a few weeks ago,
59:52
or maybe a couple months ago, in February, I think, I had a friend come,
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Portuguese magician, Francisco Moussino.
1:00:00
He came to Denmark just to hang out, and we worked on some stuff.
1:00:05
And we had separately been trying to solve this problem with a little trick.
1:00:10
He had a routine for it. I just, I was more interested in the method.
1:00:14
So we planned he was going to come here and, and he really like wanted help.
1:00:19
Let's figure this trick out.
1:00:21
So I talked to him on the phone, like maybe two days before he's arriving in Denmark.
1:00:25
And I tell him like sort of arrogantly and I'm like, because he talks about
1:00:30
this, this thing. And I say to him, okay, we'll, we'll solve it.
1:00:33
He's here for like four days. I said, we'll, we'll solve it.
1:00:36
We'll, I, I, I will get a method. We'll solve it.
1:00:40
And if we don't, I'll give you a thousand euros.
1:00:43
And he's like, yeah, I'm like, no, no, no, we will have a method.
1:00:48
I'm sure of you. And if not, I'll give you a thousand euros.
1:00:52
And I think he thinks I'm joking a lot on that.
1:00:55
And literally, because I was so sure I'm going to find a method.
1:01:02
And by giving me that extra pressure, because I would have given him a thousand euros.
1:01:07
Like I found a method literally the day after I was sitting and tinkering with
1:01:12
this thing and just playing with it because the mindset, I'm sure there is a
1:01:17
method because it's not like rocket science. It's a little trick.
1:01:21
And I was sitting with it and I found a method and I then made a video and posted it.
1:01:26
And he comes back to me and I posted it on Instagram, like a close friend's story so he could see it.
1:01:31
And he comments, he's like, are you trying to provoke me?
1:01:36
Because like i just
1:01:39
told him like the day before i'll solve
1:01:42
it and then the day after i have a method and he'd been
1:01:45
working on this for i don't know a few
1:01:48
years and i just told him um we'll make it and yeah so i just the idea that
1:01:54
i know i can do it and it's not even like not in an arrogant way but just telling
1:01:59
yourself and again in life this is a pretty good pretty good piece of advice
1:02:03
So listen to me now. Now you should listen to me.
1:02:06
No, but in life, it's a good idea. So just be positive and be like, I can do that.
1:02:10
And just because I'm saying that doesn't mean I live my life that way.
1:02:14
I'm very pessimistic and think life is awful.
1:02:16
But but when it comes to magic, I will always say we can make that,
1:02:21
of course. But I think it helps in real life as well.
1:02:24
Buddy, I got a great business proposition where like people come to you and
1:02:29
I say, I have $10,000 that says that you can't create this. And then you go challenge accepted.
1:02:34
Then you create it and send them an invoice for 10 grand.
1:02:38
Yeah, I should do that. Yeah. I'm very bad with money, but yeah.
1:02:43
No, just the idea that, of course, of course we can make that.
1:02:45
And a lot of my stuff I've made that way, like,
1:02:49
as a like a challenge to myself or whatever you want
1:02:52
to call it like knowing that we can make this and because
1:02:56
it it's magic tricks it's not like and
1:02:59
i and i think the same like the way
1:03:02
my personality is just like i mean i think
1:03:05
that's quite humble and even when it comes to fism i'm like
1:03:08
yeah it doesn't matter i'm really proud of my
1:03:11
my achievements and but i'm also
1:03:14
like it doesn't matter like for anybody outside of my apartment right
1:03:17
now they don't care that the world's best magician
1:03:20
lives here like no no no i did
1:03:23
some card tricks and other people that also does card tricks like
1:03:26
them that's what happened so it's not rocket science it's just magic so when
1:03:32
i told my friend like yeah we can make that of course we can make that it's
1:03:36
it's a magic trick it's i'm not like trying to like cure cancer or build a car.
1:03:42
It's a magic trick. Yeah.
1:03:45
Even though I think I could, of course I could cure cancer. I think if I don't
1:03:49
do it, I'll give you a thousand euros. I'm sure I can do it. Give me a week.
1:03:54
Get out the angle grinder. Yeah. Get to work. Let's get this cancer out of you. I'm just like.
1:04:00
Your next fism performance. Yeah.
1:04:06
With an ice cream scoop. I'm like, we're getting it out. Yeah.
1:04:09
We'll solve this. No, but like just having a positive mindset I think is the
1:04:14
best. What's that style of mentalism called?
1:04:17
The um surgery surgery yeah yeah it sounds like getting out an angle grinder before we begin okay,
1:04:24
stay still where does it
1:04:27
hurt okay yeah yeah don't worry it's not real oh man but we could talk about
1:04:33
this forever and and i want to but um we're just gonna have to have you back
1:04:37
the next time you win another fism award is that the only way i get to do this
1:04:41
podcast okay it's It's going to be tough. Okay, see you in three years.
1:04:47
No pressure. Yeah, there's a little bit of pressure. Or you give us a thousand
1:04:51
euros. Yeah, either way is good.
1:04:54
But everyone listening to this probably follows Morton already,
1:04:59
but go ahead and all the links to Morton's work are in the description below.
1:05:03
Of course, somebody just commented saying that your deck shell is already sold
1:05:08
out on Vanishing Ink. So if that's not a benchmark to say how good it is, I don't know what is.
1:05:13
But it should be available at other shops. And also Magic will get more.
1:05:18
That's right. That's right. I'm just saying that's a good benchmark to say how
1:05:23
good it must be that it's already sold out in the first run.
1:05:27
Of course, go find it at your local Magic dealer. Check back in.
1:05:31
They'll have it restocked. Probably maybe by the time you're getting around
1:05:34
to listening to this. But we're going to end our episode in the way that we
1:05:37
always do, which is by giving our guest the final word.
1:05:42
Okay, so this is the time where I say something really clever and you all think
1:05:47
I'm so, like, smart and I don't know what to say.
1:05:51
Don't listen to any of what I've said. And don't buy the deck shell. You don't need it.
1:05:56
Yeah, make your own stuff. But again, who cares? Like, if it works for what
1:06:00
you do, don't let some artsy-fartsy magician guy from Denmark dictate what you
1:06:06
do because I'm not rich and successful.
1:06:10
I just, I need money. send money maybe you should buy the shell that's what
1:06:14
i'm saying no i don't i'm really bad at giving advice because like you don't
1:06:20
want to be me i barely want to be me so don't listen to me,
1:06:26
if you like magic great do read books learn
1:06:29
more or if you don't want to learn anything don't learn anything then you're
1:06:32
probably not listening to this at all because again who would listen to this
1:06:35
so the final word is yeah live your life do whatever if you're happy i'm happy
1:06:43
for you okay bye-bye thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now,
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but we'll see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.