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Drunk Son Realizes He Just Killed His Own Mother · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: What's that you go? Why do I have?
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  Speaker 2: I'm god, you're gonna hear a.
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  Speaker 3: Police are at the home of Norma Charricer after receiving
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  Speaker 3: a frantic call from her son. He was heavily drunk
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  Speaker 3: but managed to say enough. Someone ran out of the
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  Speaker 3: house and he heard his mother's scream.
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  Speaker 4: Police department, ma'am.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Norma was already dead, strangled with a bungee cord.
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  Speaker 4: Weren't some mother you just declared the house.
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  Speaker 5: This looks like a homside You might want to get
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  Speaker 5: a canine track started. Somebody ran out the back door.
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  Speaker 3: In the days that followed, detectives would uncover an extensive
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  Speaker 3: list of suspects, each with their own dark motives, jealous exes,
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  Speaker 3: hidden family secrets, a lucrative life insurance pay out, and
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  Speaker 3: even a decade's old family murder, turning this seemingly simple
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  Speaker 3: welfare check into one of the most twisted homicide cases
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  Speaker 3: the town had ever seen.
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  Speaker 6: You're our only linked inermation field look out.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Harry did choose to my mom.
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  Speaker 4: He over her money and I need the sunder her
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  Speaker 4: one time end up.
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  Speaker 8: Dead kids because they know I did like him.
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  Speaker 9: It was so good.
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  Speaker 1: Make you want to slap your mom. I'm gonna kill
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  Speaker 1: him all.
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  Speaker 3: In the early hours of a Wednesday morning, at one
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  Speaker 3: thirty am, police and Troy, Illinois, received a confusing call
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  Speaker 3: from an intoxicated man.
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  Speaker 4: Address your emergency.
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  Speaker 10: I mean my mom worked on the day last all right?
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  Speaker 10: I heard the guy we brought the back door. I heard,
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  Speaker 10: and I went up there on his doggo. I went
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  Speaker 10: up there, mom my mom. I didn't heard my mom
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  Speaker 10: walk through out from responded, your mom's not responding to you,
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  Speaker 10: going that they were.
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  Speaker 11: She need an ambulance?
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  Speaker 4: I know, no, Are you wanting a welfare checkdown on her?
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  Speaker 12: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Is okay?
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  Speaker 10: What is your name?
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  Speaker 8: Sir?
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  Speaker 3: In the are the color struggled to provide clear details,
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  Speaker 3: but it was apparent that someone inside the home was unresponsive.
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  Speaker 3: With limited information, two officers were quickly dispatched to investigate
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  Speaker 3: the strange situation, not knowing exactly what they'd find upon
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  Speaker 3: their arrival.
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  Speaker 12: I heard the dog wine from the base and mom
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  Speaker 12: tells me shrew's of the ication. She's a got the
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  Speaker 12: data on the way, okay, and I guess it's said
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  Speaker 12: date on the Earth converter, the tenders or oh no,
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  Speaker 12: I'm afraid of going in that room.
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  Speaker 2: I hear a dog wine in that room.
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  Speaker 4: So you live here, sir?
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  Speaker 2: I live in the basement over her hearts. A year
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  Speaker 2: and a half ago.
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  Speaker 12: She she turned the country music on real loud, so
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  Speaker 12: I didn't here.
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  Speaker 4: So she did that.
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  Speaker 2: Mom does it every day. Boy asked it some old
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  Speaker 2: sorrow country because.
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  Speaker 13: She misses her husband or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But she's bringing guys into.
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  Speaker 5: So unfortunately she can't do that. We can certainly check
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  Speaker 5: on her, though, to make sure she's okay. If you
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  Speaker 5: live there, please certainly. Ma'm the dog is the wine?
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  Speaker 4: So you live in this house in the base Okay? Here,
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  Speaker 4: that's all I need to.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not the dog is trying to get out?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: How about this?
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  Speaker 14: How about you go see you can get her?
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  Speaker 1: Come out here before we goes.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly intoxicated, Neil struggled to explain himself. It sounded like
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  Speaker 3: his mother had a date over, but he failed to
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  Speaker 3: clarify what was wrong. Despite their uncertainty, officers followed Neil inside,
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  Speaker 3: completely unaware of the gruesome murder scene they were walking into.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, what's up, dude?
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  Speaker 15: You go?
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  Speaker 4: Why do I have you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you she ain't gonna get.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but you can hear her.
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  Speaker 2: She's not a word.
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  Speaker 1: I put your covered time.
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  Speaker 2: If you're we not the mob?
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  Speaker 1: What we not the mob?
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  Speaker 2: She's bleeding on Tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Police Department.
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  Speaker 2: So she got blood from an over mouth.
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  Speaker 16: You're not because they didn't call them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Ship officers stepped inside to find Neil's mother, Norma Cherricker,
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  Speaker 3: lying unconscious on her bed with a cord wrapped around
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  Speaker 3: her neck. It was clear she'd been strangled, but Officer
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  Speaker 3: Alex quickly realized something else. She might still be alive.
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  Speaker 4: Where did I go.
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  Speaker 1: Right now?
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  Speaker 2: It's your innofaction.
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  Speaker 4: I put him in my car and welcome me.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome me.
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  Speaker 3: As Neil was detained and removed from the scene, Officer
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  Speaker 3: Alex immediately began performing CPR on Norma. She wasn't breathing,
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  Speaker 3: but her body was still warm, indicating she had only
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  Speaker 3: recently stopped breathing and there was still hope she could
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  Speaker 3: be saved.
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  Speaker 4: What hey, lt Yeah, this loo came here real quick.
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  Speaker 4: She's still warm to the touch.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody somebody strangled homicide man. So we did not cleared
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  Speaker 5: the rest of the house yet. Okay, I want to
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  Speaker 5: keep working on her he's the son's intoxicated. He said,
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  Speaker 5: somebody ran out of the back no description. We had
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  Speaker 5: him detained in the car.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the car.
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  Speaker 4: We had him detained. Okay, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: He said she had she had somebody over here, but
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  Speaker 5: he said that she was just talking to him a
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  Speaker 5: couple of minutes ago.
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  Speaker 4: She's warm. Oh, no, pulse now, Cosh's not breathing.
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  Speaker 3: Officer Alex continued performing CPR for over seven minutes, desperately
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  Speaker 3: trying to save Norma's life. Paramedics soon arrived and immediately
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  Speaker 3: took over, continuing life saving efforts. At the same time,
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  Speaker 3: officers scrambled to search the property for the man Neil
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  Speaker 3: claimed had fled the scene. A canine unit was dispatched
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  Speaker 3: to track any trace of the mysterious suspect.
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  Speaker 4: You might want to get a canine track started.
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  Speaker 5: He said, Uh, somebody ran out of the back door.
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  Speaker 5: She's intoxicated. It looks like somebody wrapped a bungee cord
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  Speaker 5: around her neck. Okay, where we was Jude at when
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  Speaker 5: you got here, she was outside.
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  Speaker 4: We contacted him.
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  Speaker 1: It's how.
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  Speaker 13: The basement stairs leaning into the basement.
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  Speaker 2: The south h.
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  Speaker 16: M hm H.
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  Speaker 13: North back doors.
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  Speaker 3: Despite their efforts, the mysteriou this date seemed to have
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  Speaker 3: vanished without a trace, and the search revealed no tracks
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  Speaker 3: or evidence indicating where he'd gone back inside the house.
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  Speaker 3: There was nothing the paramedics could do to save Norma.
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  Speaker 3: Too much time had passed with her airway blocked, and
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  Speaker 3: she was declared deceased at the scene. What officers didn't
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  Speaker 3: yet realize is that Norma was the wife of the
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  Speaker 3: late Charles Carricer, the former mayor of Troy, Illinois. Since then,
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  Speaker 3: she's been trying to rebuild her life with her son,
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  Speaker 3: Neil Howard, whose own father had also died tragically years before.
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  Speaker 3: These details would become much more important later on in
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  Speaker 3: the investigation, but for now, officers had no immediate clues
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  Speaker 3: to track down Norma's date, so they brought Neil to
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  Speaker 3: the police station, hoping his sober recollection might help clarify
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  Speaker 3: exactly what happened. Initially, investigators believed they had a clear
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  Speaker 3: cut case either Neil Howard was responsible for his mother's
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  Speaker 3: murder or or the unidentified date she spent the evening
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  Speaker 3: with Wads, but they had no idea. Neil's interview was
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  Speaker 3: only the tip of the iceberg, and soon they'd uncover
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  Speaker 14: Hey you, what am I doing?
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  Speaker 11: You?
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  Speaker 6: I need you to hear this all right?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: The leaders are born.
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  Speaker 3: At the station. Neil's severe intoxication prevented detectives from reading
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  Speaker 3: him his Miranda rights or questioning him. They had no
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  Speaker 3: choice but to let him sleep it off overnight, hoping
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  Speaker 3: he'd be sober enough later in the day. By morning,
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  Speaker 3: police were back at normous home preparing to speak with
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  Speaker 3: family members arriving at the scene until now, investigators only
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  Speaker 3: had Neil's unreliable story to guide them. However, this would
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  Speaker 3: soon change as officers would unexpectedly cross paths with their
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  Speaker 3: next prime suspect.
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  Speaker 17: So we're going to have We're going to let the
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  Speaker 17: corner come out and talk to you too, Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 13: I kind of explained a little bit about.
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  Speaker 4: My mom deceased.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, ma'am, okay, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 4: Is my brother in jail.
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  Speaker 17: Uh he's being talked to right now about because he
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  Speaker 17: was He lives here too.
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  Speaker 18: So we all just woke up and we all just
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  Speaker 18: kind of I blew my phone up last night and
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  Speaker 18: so I just kind of had a feeling.
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  Speaker 13: What do you mean he blew your phone up?
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  Speaker 14: On Facebook?
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  Speaker 18: He told me that my mom had some guy over
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  Speaker 18: here and that they were I guess havings or something
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  Speaker 18: like that, and it was gross, and you.
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  Speaker 13: Know, so what time was that?
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  Speaker 18: But I just wanted you guys know that there's probably
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  Speaker 18: a bunch of people on their way right now to
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  Speaker 18: you know, my sister's coming, Neil's girlfriend's coming.
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  Speaker 4: So how'd you get alerted to this today?
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  Speaker 13: What exactly happened?
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  Speaker 14: I had a call from my friend that lives in
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  Speaker 14: the neighborhood back here at five fifty am.
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  Speaker 7: I guess she was maybe on her way to work
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  Speaker 7: and she called to see if everything is okay.
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  Speaker 14: So there was a bunch of publics in my arms
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  Speaker 14: with caution.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, who was that called?
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  Speaker 14: Her name is Laurie.
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  Speaker 13: When was When was the last time he talked at normal?
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  Speaker 14: Honestly, I haven't talked to her.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been.
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  Speaker 18: Probably I don't know it's been It's been several hats.
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  Speaker 13: When was the last time you talked to Neil?
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  Speaker 18: It was theirst night for I went to bed?
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  Speaker 13: What time was that?
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  Speaker 6: How were you?
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  Speaker 1: Around?
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  Speaker 4: Eleven?
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  Speaker 14: One and two?
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  Speaker 4: In this Pazilia calls and I woke up.
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  Speaker 15: Just anybody got out and I didn't get any girl
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  Speaker 15: and answered, I got and I.
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  Speaker 19: Just said, we're just gonna here.
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  Speaker 4: What was going on?
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  Speaker 13: She said?
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  Speaker 2: He text you?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and he spreaking out like I can't get her
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  Speaker 7: just one way?
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  Speaker 20: I do you know?
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  Speaker 13: Do you mind showing me those texts?
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  Speaker 2: Please?
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  Speaker 17: He said that he considered hers, which is different than
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  Speaker 17: what he told Our officers said he had to make
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  Speaker 17: contact with her him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, as officers continued speaking with Norma's daughters, Andrea and
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  Speaker 3: Jenny and Neil's girlfriend, Dawn. Something odd quickly stood out.
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  Speaker 3: Despite being informed that her mother had just died. Andrea's
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  Speaker 3: demeanor was unusually upbeat. She seemed strangely calm for someone
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  Speaker 3: who had just lost a parent in such a violent way.
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  Speaker 3: But while officers were still gathering statements, their attention was
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  Speaker 3: suddenly drawn away when a white pickup truck slowly drove by.
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  Speaker 15: Hi, is Norma?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 11: Well?
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  Speaker 14: Well friend of mine?
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  Speaker 2: Is Norma? All right? Well we'll discuss that in a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Okay, it's Terry Deans.
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  Speaker 13: That's Terry Deeps.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, really, this was the first time officers made direct
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  Speaker 3: contact with Terry Deats. Dawn confirmed he was Norma's boyfriend,
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  Speaker 3: quickly adding that their relationship was known to be turbulent.
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  Speaker 3: Yet when Terry drove by the scene, he referred to
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  Speaker 3: Norma simply as a close friend, clearly downplaying their connection.
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  Speaker 3: These details quickly placed Terry Deets as a key person
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  Speaker 3: of interest in Norma's murder, and detectives would soon uncover
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  Speaker 3: that Terry not only had a complicated relationship with Norma,
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  Speaker 3: but also a tempting financial motive. So to move forward,
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  Speaker 3: detectives brought Terry in for questioning later that day. They
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  Speaker 3: needed to understand the nature of this relationship with Norma,
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  Speaker 3: confirm his whereabouts on the night she was killed, and
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  Speaker 3: most importantly, find out if he had any hidden motives
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  Speaker 3: to want her dead.
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  Speaker 9: Tell me, written, you gotta help me with some informations.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of what we need you for too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we know you know normal very well. Yes, I know
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  Speaker 1: you guys have been dating or love or something like that.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I I never got really close close to
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  Speaker 11: So when is the last time to talk to her?
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  Speaker 9: Seven forty five pm last night?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 9: Okay, She asked her if come out to the Lucky
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  Speaker 9: Rooster of Saint Jacob.
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  Speaker 1: So seven forty pm at Lucky Rooster.
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  Speaker 14: Yes, you're actor and Sorr.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 14: Was anybody else there?
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  Speaker 6: Just me?
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  Speaker 14: Nobody else there anything of that sort.
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  Speaker 1: No, no doubt at the same table, okay, perfect, No, no,
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  Speaker 1: not even at the table.
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  Speaker 14: I didn't look like there was a guy hanging out
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  Speaker 14: at the bar like it was trying to hit on her.
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  Speaker 16: Talk to her.
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  Speaker 1: An, that's all I could. I didn't nothing. Notice. That's okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's you did.
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  Speaker 14: What I mean by that though, yeah, there's nobody else
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  Speaker 14: their type of things.
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  Speaker 3: Terry told detectives he'd seen Norma earlier that even at
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  Speaker 3: her workplace, the Lucky Rooster. It wasn't much, but it
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  Speaker 3: was the first solid lead detectives had about Norma's final hours. However,
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  Speaker 3: something about Terry's demeanor caught detective's attention. Terry seemed strangely calm,
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  Speaker 3: almost detached, despite learning that Norma had just died under
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  Speaker 3: suspicious circumstances hours ago. This lack of emotion would soon
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  Speaker 3: make more sense when detectives asked Terry about Norma's will.
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  Speaker 21: Do you know if she had a will or life
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  Speaker 21: inturned policory into that sort, that you would have been
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  Speaker 21: a beneficiary?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I am the beneficiary on New York Life.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what is it?
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  Speaker 2: How much?
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  Speaker 16: What is it?
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  Speaker 14: He says, New or five is of her life insurance.
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  Speaker 9: It's a life insurance policy on Norma.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 3: This question wasn't asked at random. Detectives had already zeroed
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  Speaker 3: in on a critical piece of information Terry wasn't aware of.
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  Speaker 3: After his suspicious interaction with officers earlier in the morning,
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  Speaker 3: Detectives took a closer look into his relationship with Norma.
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  Speaker 3: They quickly discovered Terry was the sole beneficiary of one
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  Speaker 3: of Norma's life insurance policies, and that just hours after
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  Speaker 3: learning of her death, he had already contacted the insurance
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  Speaker 3: company urgently inquiring about collecting the fourteen thousand dollars payout.
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  Speaker 3: And the timing couldn't have been more suspicious, as Terry's
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  Speaker 3: call came shortly after he drove past the crime scene
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  Speaker 3: and asked officers about Norma's condition. With this revelation, Terry
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  Speaker 3: Deets quickly became one of the prime suspects in Norma's murder,
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  Speaker 3: alongside Neil Howard, Norma's volatile son, and her still unidentified date. Conveniently,
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  Speaker 3: once Terry started feeling the pressure, he began pointing fingers elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: How many times?
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  Speaker 9: He's final question, though I told her those he's gonna
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  Speaker 9: kill me?
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  Speaker 1: Why you say that he would get a rate? I
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  Speaker 1: saw a get irate.
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  Speaker 8: This was several months ago at normal because she wouldn't
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: give him a model to go get voters.
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  Speaker 9: She signed down to.
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  Speaker 1: Her head, I'm not going to give you any bah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah him, who was tied.
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  Speaker 3: Terry wasted no time deflecting suspicion onto Neil Howard, characterizing
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  Speaker 3: him as an aggressive, violent alcoholic. Detectives saw through Terry's
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  Speaker 3: tactic right away, but this next statement would actually force
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  Speaker 3: detectives to reconsider Neil as a serious threat.
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  Speaker 14: Is there anything else you think of that we should
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  Speaker 14: talk to you? Hey, you probably want to talk to
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  Speaker 14: this person? Or hey, this person so maybe would now
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  Speaker 14: or would miss or hey that would kill Moran? Well
• 19:59
  Speaker 14: that would didn't know anything about mon more they could
• 20:01
  Speaker 14: relate anything to do with As I.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: Sat there this morning, I was thinking about, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: going through records and stuff and what then kids would
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: blame me or accuse me of because.
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: They know I didn't like them, because the way they
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: cheated their mother, they were very need of their mother.
• 20:24
  Speaker 22: Well what, well, I know she had a lot of problems. Really,
• 20:35
  Speaker 22: if I will let me start with what I know?
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: He killed his dad.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Supposedly, who have.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Self defends Terry's claim here wasn't just a defensive reaction.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: It was a troubling fact that would compel detectives to
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: end his interview and shift their attention. On November twenty first,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: two thousand and five, in Mesquite, Texas, Neil Howard shot
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: and killed his father, George Howard. According to Neil, the
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: two had been drinking heavily and arguing throughout the day.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: The fight escalated when George fired around inside the home.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Neil claimed that during the struggle to take the gun away,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: it went off, striking his father through the eye and
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: killing him instantly. Neil was twenty six at the time.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: He called his sister Andrea, who urged him to contact
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the police. When officers arrived, they found him inside the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: house severely intoxicated. Neil insisted it was self defense. He
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: was arrested and charged, but the trial ended in a
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: hung jury. Eventually, Neil was acquitted and the case was closed. Now,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: suspicion hung heavily over both men. Neil's violent past was
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: undeniably troubling, and without corroborating his account and locating Norma's date,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: detectives couldn't clear him. Similarly, Terry's quick presence at the
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: crime scene and his suspiciously swift attempt to claim Norma's
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: life insurance meant detectives needed to thoroughly verify his alibi
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: as well. Detectives needed to keep a close eye on
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: both men for the moment and focus their investigation on
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: identifying the mysterious man Norma spent the evening with. Fortunately,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Terry had given detectives a crucial lead when he mentioned
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: that Norma was working at the Lucky Rooster on the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: evening before her death. So to verify this statement, officers
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: visited Norma's workplace to speak with her coworkers and collect
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: any helpful information. When officers arrived at the Lucky Rooster,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: they discovered something crucial surveillance cameras that had captured footage
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: from that very night. What detectives saw on those recordings
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: would open an entirely new set of questions. On the
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: evening of September twelfth, twenty twenty three, surveillance footage captured
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Norma Carricer leaving the Lucky Rooster with an unidentified man.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: This footage marked the beginning of Norma's last known NAEs movements.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Approximately thirty minutes later, Norma and the same men were
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: captured by cameras arriving at the Timeout Bar and Grill.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Footage showed them spending roughly an hour inside, talking, drinking,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and appearing comfortable in each other's company before leaving together.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It was the last time Norma was seen alive, with
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: a bungee cord used to strangle Norma. Detectives quickly concluded
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: this murder was personal, possibly a crime of anger or jealousy.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: They speculated that this mysterious date could have turned violent
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: for some reason, strangling Norma and fleeing before police arrived.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: The absence of forced entry further supported Neil's story. Detectives
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: now urgently needed Neil's sober recollection to identify and locate
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Norma's date. After several hours in custody, Neil Howard was
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: finally sober enough to speak with detectives. They needed his
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: recollection to gain some clarity. Without it, they had no
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: way to identify Norma's date or to herman Neil's own
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: fate in the investigation.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: She called me.
• 24:06
  Speaker 21: Usually expect her buy ergy, and she says she gonna
• 24:10
  Speaker 21: remember me. And I heard my mom's.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Joy and I sit there in the bud and think
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and listen. I heard them up. I heard him banging off,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: but either the headboarder or or a little dresser.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Is that what?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I said? Yes, okay? And then I heard her saying,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you ain't got to be leave, you ain't gotta go,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't because of me making noise. I didn't
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: hear that. And I get up and check to make
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: sure that you took back doors closed, And that's what
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you did. You want to situation? Went stairs and I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: heard the dog whining in her room.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Did you go with them?
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: No?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't open to her door, went down. The id
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: was like, when you're come here? Why are come here?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And he said the door to her was closed, the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: dog was outside, the dog was inside, but the door
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: was cracked. Am one Hower and her mom one answered
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: mobs verry voice person all right? And the way when
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: silent was Hearie? What made you decide? Because my grandma
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and this momble bit so they tried to say, he.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Said with his egg type of thing.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Right from the start, detectives noticed Neil's story wasn't adding up.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: On the nine one one call, Neil implied he had
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: already found his mother unresponsive, but now in the interview room,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: he insisted he didn't enter her room until officers arrived.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Neil would continue giving fragmented accounts throughout the interview, struggling
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: to clearly recall important details, but in between his confused
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: recollections he suddenly brought up another man, someone he claimed
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: was actively manipulating his mother Norma.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: She got a guy. I'm telling this guy during This guy,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Kerry is his name, and she pays and work three
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: jobs to character took care of a She had an
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: old bills.
• 26:06
  Speaker 21: This guy every day is she just was on his
• 26:09
  Speaker 21: side to sue my other sister for thirty gee's.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: This guy runs around the town.
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: She's poor in this guy.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: R Terry's, so.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: The details were disjointed. Neil seemed upset with Terry Deets,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the same man already under suspicion of Norma's murder, accusing
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: him of taking advantage of his mother, draining her money
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: and turning her against the rest of the family. Neil's
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: anger towards Terry further confirmed detective's existing suspicions, giving them
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: even more reason to closely scrutinize his involvement. But by
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: now Neil had been at the station for several hours
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: and was becoming anxious, demanding to leave. Detectives still didn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: inform him of his mother's death, and holding him any
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: longer without explaining why was becoming difficult to just fine.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: It was time to deliver the tragic news and brace
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: for Neil's reaction.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I gotta give him stary long.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: This is gonna ruin everything everybody think.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I want to let her down slow, and I don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: want to tell you guys fault for none of.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: The laws the east right, No, I said she was hurt.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Bels deceased.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: So that's why we're making this into what we need
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: to have you around available for us.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm working to see my sister.
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: You okay, right, yeah, you can not leave that right.
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: Your mother's deceased. You know what the meerson we know
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: that saw her last that we.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Can talk to you.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't see her last night. You did too, I've
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: seen her last night.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: You walked into when the all suggests you said you
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: were the last one that was her, So you're the
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: only wage we had heard.
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: Correct.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't see her last night, Tilly told me go
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we know that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: But then you spoke with her. You spoke with her
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: money talk through.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: After learning of his mother's death, Neil grew increasingly agitated
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: throughout the remainder of the interview, eventually requesting a lawyer
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: and forcing detectives to end their questioning with Neil, shutting
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: down the interview and refusing to cooperate further. Detectives had
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: no choice but to find another way to identify Norma's
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: mysterious date. Hoping for a breakthrough, investigators sent officers to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: search for additional surveillance footage from locations Norma entered date
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: passed by that night, and they quickly hit the jackpot.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: One security camera clearly captured the vehicle Norma's date was driving.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: By running the license plate, detectives identified him as James Carter.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Detectives urgently needed to speak with James, the only other
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: known person at Norma's house that night besides Neil. When
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: they first approached him, he was uncooperative and outright denied
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: seeing Norma. It wasn't until officers obtained a warrant for
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: his cell phone data that he and his lawyer agreed
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: to speak on the condition that James received immunity and
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: would not be subpoenuted for the trial. Once immunity was secured,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: he cooperated, provided a DNA sample, and shared his account
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: of the evening. James explained that he met Norma on
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: the dating site Plenty of Fish, and arranged to meet
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: at her workplace before heading to the bar for a
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: few drinks. After leaving the bar, Norma invited him back
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: to her house and they spent an intimate hour together
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: At Norma's However, James insisted Norma was alive and unharmed
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: when he left around eleven pm. Cell Phone data corroborated
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: his story, placing him back in Saint Louis, where he
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: lived well before the estimated time of Norma's death. With
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: James Carter officially cleared, the investigation was narrowed to two suspects,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Neil Howard and Terry Dates. Both men had means and opportunity.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Both shared complicated, deeply rooted relationships with Norma, but without
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: any physical evidence, detectives couldn't solve this with timelines alone.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: They needed a clearer understanding of normous personal life to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: pinpoint which of the two suspects was more capable of
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: killing her. To do this, investigators brought Norma's daughters in
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Andrea and Jenny, as well as Neil's girlfriend Dawn, hoping
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: their insights would single out the likely killer. However, these
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: interviews would instead reveal a hidden detail from normous personal life,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: one that would turn the very people brought into help
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: into potential suspects themselves.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Sorry, so I greatly.
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: Appreciate time.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: In the patience.
• 30:44
  Speaker 15: And just like I said, my biggest issue is, you know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 15: I love my mom, and my mom always been super close,
• 30:54
  Speaker 15: but this Harry guy came in and he is just really.
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: Broken her down.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Show.
• 31:02
  Speaker 14: Do you think you could end up on an issue
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: hurt your mind?
• 31:08
  Speaker 15: I don't put it tasting, especially when he's drunk and drugging.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, tell me a little bit about
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: she was so in love with that man.
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: It's sickening, you know.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: And and just my mom's relationship with Terry meant more
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: to her, you know than the relationship with her daughter.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Well, and I guess what.
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: I'm saying is that Terry Terry just us with my mom,
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: you know, for her money.
• 31:39
  Speaker 15: And alter fat and you know, she lost just lost
• 31:43
  Speaker 15: a bunch of weight.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: That being said, she would look for love on a
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: lot of these dating sites, and so when we were
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: living with her, she would under you come here, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, she was talking to multiple different people, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: I'd even said to her one time, I'm like, You're
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: end up dead, like you even know who you're talking to.
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, I've been over there several times since then,
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: and this is what I can tell you.
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: My mom and thee are both alcoholics. My mom doesn't
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: handle hers very well.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: She becomes very belligerent, and every time she's been belligerent
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: with Neil, he always tuss his head and goes downstairs.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: I know my brother better than anybody in this World's like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: I am my brother's keeper for real, and he wouldn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: have he wouldn't have hurt her.
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: He wouldn't have. I've been to this before, you I know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Andrea and Jenny's interviews further confirmed that Norma's relationship with
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Terry and Neil was strained, troubled, and complicated. And Andrea's
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: subtle mentioned that she'd been through this before reinforced the
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: detective's concerns about the family's violent past. However, when Neill's
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: girlfriend Dawn entered the interview room, she would reveal something
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: detectives never saw coming, a financial motive powerful enough to
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: make everyone close to Norma a potential suspects come up.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 33:22
  Speaker 19: Had six o'clock this morning. No one knew what happened,
• 33:29
  Speaker 19: and we all just pulled up. Terry shows up, Well,
• 33:33
  Speaker 19: what happened to Norma six o'clock the morning. We all
• 33:36
  Speaker 19: have to show it up on site. Terry should not
• 33:39
  Speaker 19: have known anything that what happened, but yet.
• 33:41
  Speaker 18: He shows up.
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: So Norman had a date last night.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: She don't know these weird being prices, which I have
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: warned about.
• 33:52
  Speaker 15: You don't know who you're talking to, right, Nor we
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: had to happen to telling people where she's got all
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: this money, So.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: That's another thing to look into.
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: Everything in my mind tells me Harry had something.
• 34:03
  Speaker 16: To do with it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Nor surely depressed all the time. Terry is a big problem.
• 34:08
  Speaker 14: And Perry thought that his income was coming to a close.
• 34:12
  Speaker 14: If she was dating, they were probably making very angry.
• 34:15
  Speaker 15: She had an escrow that millions hours if Terry beneficiary,
• 34:23
  Speaker 15: and one was going on, Terry gets five million hours
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: saying this year.
• 34:28
  Speaker 14: And Roma would have gotten Thomas Day, Yes, like five
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: million hours. Do you know that for certain Because I said,
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: I don't know that he was worth that much for certainly.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: According to Dawn, Norma was due to receive a multi
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: million dollar payout from the estate of her late husband,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Charles Charricer, a former mayor of Troy, Illinois and a
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: longtime local businessman. This revelation changed everything. Suddenly, anyone close
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to Norma who knew anything about the money had a
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: potential motive. Neil Howard, her financially dependent son struggling with alcoholism,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Terry Deets, her ex boyfriend known for financial manipulation, and
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: even her daughters Andrea and Jenny, who stood to inherit
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: a life changing sum With the suspect pool rapidly expanding,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: detectives began preparing to closely examine everyone who might benefit
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: from Norma's death. But before they get to that, they
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: caught a lucky break. Neil Howard suddenly requested to speak
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: to detectives without a lawyer. He was quickly brought back
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: for a second interview where he would finally provide detectives
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: with some clarity, or so they hoped.
• 35:41
  Speaker 21: My mom she comes home from one job, pretty job.
• 35:46
  Speaker 21: She's a sugar mom to more than one guy.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: She do you know these guys? I know one, but
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: somehow she go online.
• 36:01
  Speaker 21: Kind of meeting guys right end up marrying the guys
• 36:04
  Speaker 21: coming in and out of the house.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: That's gotta be tough for you. With her son, man
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I us. I usually gone, I used the lead, gone
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in bed. I'm a sleep. I didn't even see her yesterday.
• 36:14
  Speaker 21: She goes one job of the other, and my sister
• 36:18
  Speaker 21: was supposed to come by and take me to her
• 36:19
  Speaker 21: old house, which is enjoyed, to clean it and make
• 36:23
  Speaker 21: sure it was clean. As she was showing it, my
• 36:25
  Speaker 21: sister diden'd up chewing up like I I can hear
• 36:28
  Speaker 21: my mom upstairs. She comes in and changes your changes.
• 36:31
  Speaker 21: She usually gone. She usually calls me. When did she
• 36:36
  Speaker 21: leaving her other job? They ask me if you want
• 36:38
  Speaker 21: anything to eat? She called me later than usual. She
• 36:41
  Speaker 21: called me me look at the phone. She called me
• 36:44
  Speaker 21: in nine thirty. I leave my quarter after nine and says,
• 36:49
  Speaker 21: she said, quarter of doing about she's leave nine thirty,
• 36:54
  Speaker 21: and she says.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I got pat company, which that means doesn't make 'em. No,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm going like to peep, I don't go
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: upstairs and then.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: You're not there. Basically, I said, all right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 21: So when I got to hurry up, she said, just
• 37:09
  Speaker 21: take all the clothes off to kissing table and throw
• 37:12
  Speaker 21: them a under. So I took all the clothes and
• 37:16
  Speaker 21: throw 'em in there, and I pot the stores closes.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: As I could send the way to see what was
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So I didn't see her drop her car off.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: But when I went back downstairs, I heard the cargo.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I can hear it from the base and I can't
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: see nothing because the windows are real high.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I called my.
• 37:35
  Speaker 21: Girlfriend one more time and I said, so, no chance
• 37:38
  Speaker 21: to be coming. She broke her foot last week and
• 37:41
  Speaker 21: it's hard for her to drive. And I said, no
• 37:44
  Speaker 21: chance you coming to night And she said, hey, I can't,
• 37:47
  Speaker 21: but you got me all day to gong and I
• 37:50
  Speaker 21: started sending there like love songs.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And that, and then I called my sister again.
• 37:56
  Speaker 21: I wanted no white seams show. What what am I
• 37:58
  Speaker 21: supposed to do about dress? Giving her away on Saturday?
• 38:03
  Speaker 21: I TuS go on my dress. Quobe no answer, no answer,
• 38:09
  Speaker 21: So iboved her.
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: For a while.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: According to Neil, at around ten thirty pm, he heard
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: the sliding door slam shut, indicating Norma's date had left.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: While this matched James Carter's statement, it didn't explain why
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Neil waited almost three hours before calling nine one one,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: claiming he'd found his mother unresponsive immediately after someone had
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: just left the house. Those missing hours were critical to
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: solving Norma's murder, and the detective was about to put
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Neil's timeline under intense scrutiny to extract any major inconsistencies
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: in his alibi.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Were you drinking last night?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I was, what'd you ask?
• 38:49
  Speaker 21: Drink?
• 38:50
  Speaker 20: Like?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: You'll see I have a big, big jub.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Was probably sitting art to brom on phone.
• 38:58
  Speaker 21: I drink that on my.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Job two days.
• 39:00
  Speaker 23: So I'm want to go back to I'm want to
• 39:02
  Speaker 23: understand this a little bit more. Why this particular night
• 39:05
  Speaker 23: did you decide to go check on her? If that's
• 39:08
  Speaker 23: a normal I went because I heard the back door.
• 39:12
  Speaker 20: So you hear the You can hear the flighting back
• 39:15
  Speaker 20: door over the country today, so I could hear her
• 39:18
  Speaker 20: talking as a dog.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, And then she was like get in here. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I heard her say to whoever was there, when you
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: ain't what powering out her door, hollering you.
• 39:31
  Speaker 14: Ain't got a plea so bad?
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: So when you crack the door to let the dog
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: out of your mom's better ye?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Could you see your mom? I thought she was sleeping,
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  Speaker 2: So then why did you call the police?
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  Speaker 1: I called my sister and I called my girlfriend first.
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  Speaker 20: If your mom sleeps face down in between pillows with
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  Speaker 20: the blanket over her? Why what made you decide to
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  Speaker 20: call the police if that's a normal dog crying at
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  Speaker 20: the door.
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  Speaker 3: This was the first major inconsistency in Neil's story. He
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  Speaker 3: was now admitting he'd entered his mother's bedroom and seen
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  Speaker 3: her covered with a blanket, completely contradicting his earlier claim
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  Speaker 3: that he didn't go in until instructed by officers. But
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  Speaker 3: rather than immediately calling him out on the line, the
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  Speaker 3: detective decided to take a more subtle approach, carefully empathizing
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  Speaker 3: with him and probing the complicated dynamics between Neil and
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  Speaker 3: his mother. The goal was simple to encourage Neil to
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  Speaker 3: reveal why he hadn't been fully truthful about that night.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have a car, and to me, I guess
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  Speaker 2: where I struggled.
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  Speaker 11: And I feel bad for you.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 20: I think that you got to tell the Shitthand I
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  Speaker 20: mean the poor guy. You've been through hell and back
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  Speaker 20: with health issues, and then you have to live in
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  Speaker 20: his basement of the sewage Yeah, and then on top
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  Speaker 20: of that, you're expected to be quiet every time your
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  Speaker 20: mom brings a new man home and you have to there.
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  Speaker 24: And I tell you, right, now, I would be I
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  Speaker 24: would be upsets them. Even asked my sisters all by
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  Speaker 24: telling my mom is dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Your mom's dangerous. Oh these random guys.
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  Speaker 11: Well, yeah, yeah, but you know what, man sleeping in
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  Speaker 11: a basement putting on ear plugs and employed listening to
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  Speaker 11: your mom and have random guys coming over and listening
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  Speaker 11: to country music grow loud at all.
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  Speaker 3: Neil's acknowledgment of the tension between him and his mother
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  Speaker 3: was exactly what the detective wanted. A grown man, financially dependent,
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  Speaker 3: stuck at home while his mother dated other men. Neil
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  Speaker 3: openly acknowledged this uncomfortable dynamic, yet remained emotionally detached, showing
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  Speaker 3: none of the rage previously seen during his arrest. As
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  Speaker 3: the interview progressed, Neil's responses began to slip, revealing more
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  Speaker 3: contradictions and doubts about his story. But one specific detail
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  Speaker 3: stood out to detectives. Neil Well never once asked how
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  Speaker 3: his mother died. Most people facing such news would desperately
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  Speaker 3: seek answers. Neil's lack of curiosity felt suspiciously intentional, as
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  Speaker 3: if he already knew. With this, detectives wrapped up Neil's
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  Speaker 3: final interview with uncertainty still surrounding his alibi, and shifted
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  Speaker 3: their focus back to Terry Deets, their other primary suspect.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: After thoroughly examining phone records, DNA evidence, and multiple witness statements,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: detectives confirmed Terry was at home nursing a minor injury
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  Speaker 3: the entire night, never leaving his property after nine pm.
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  Speaker 3: Physical evidence from the crime scene further cleared Terry. Additionally,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: investigators carefully examined the possibility of Norma's daughters, Andrea and Jenny,
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  Speaker 3: having a financial motive due to their substantial inheritance. However,
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  Speaker 3: their phone records and alibis during the critical time frame
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  Speaker 3: were verified and detectives found no additional evidence suggesting their
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  Speaker 3: involvement in their mother's life death. So, with Terry cleared
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  Speaker 3: and Norma's daughters rolled out, detectives were left with just
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  Speaker 3: one suspect, Neil Howard. By now, it was clear Neil
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  Speaker 3: wasn't going to confess, but detectives were confident that the contradictions, inconsistencies,
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  Speaker 3: and his behavior following Norma's death provided enough proof to
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: secure a conviction. Ultimately, investigators felt certain Neil Howard was
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: responsible for his mother's murder, and they formally charged him
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: at the trial. Prosecutors argue that some time between ten
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: thirty PM and one thirty am, Neil, heavily intoxicated and
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: increasingly volatile, entered Norma's bedroom. An argument may have broken out,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: or perhaps the tension had been simmering all day. At
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: some point, Neil strangled Norma with a bungee cord, then
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: covered her up with a blanket. Instead of immediately calling
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: for help, Neil repeatedly tried contacting his sister Andrea, just
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: as he'd done years earlier after killing his father. Phone
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: records revealed that Neil started calling Andrea at twelve forty
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  Speaker 3: nine am, making seven attempts to reach her, the final
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  Speaker 3: call occurring at one thirty am, moments before dialing nine
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  Speaker 3: one one. The jury reviewed Neil's shifting accounts, the physical evidence,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: and his documented history of violence, Prosecutors painted a clear
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: picture Neil Howard was unstable, violent, and entirely capable of murder.
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  Speaker 3: On February ten, twenty twenty five, Neil Howard was found
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: guilty of first degree murder. His sentencing is still pending,
• 44:33
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