Latest / INSIGHT TODAY / Thousands are missing after Nepal-Tibet flash flood
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Two days after a wall of mud, ice and water
- 0:02Speaker 1: swept through parts of the Himalayas, rescue teams in Nepal
- 0:05Speaker 1: and China are still searching for thousands of people. The
- 0:09Speaker 1: police in Nepal say the death toll from Wednesday's flash
- 0:12Speaker 1: flood has climbed to almost 600, with more than 2,500
- 0:16Speaker 1: still unaccounted for. Across the border in China's autonomous Tibet region,
- 0:21Speaker 1: rescue teams are also searching for survivors. Crews briefly halted
- 0:25Speaker 1: operations today when an upstream lake began to overflow, proving
- 0:29Speaker 1: that the danger from Wednesday's catastrophe has still not completely passed.
- 0:35Speaker 1: A short while ago, our correspondent Adil Bhatt gave us
- 0:38Speaker 1: the latest from one of the hardest hit villages that
- 0:41Speaker 1: are still standing.
- 0:43Speaker 2: I'm in a remote village in Dungu Bazar, Nepal, and
- 0:45Speaker 2: we're seeing some extensive damage all around. So over there
- 0:48Speaker 2: in the distance is Trishula River, the river that flooded,
- 0:51Speaker 2: killed nearly 400 people and leaving hundreds still missing. Just
- 0:55Speaker 2: behind me, a team of police officers has arrived. They're
- 0:58Speaker 2: assessing the extent of the damage and speaking to local
- 1:01Speaker 2: villagers about who may need rescuing or assistance. We're also
- 1:05Speaker 2: told the Home Minister of Nepal was here some time ago.
- 1:08Speaker 2: He was providing police with more information about the situation.
- 1:11Speaker 2: And I want to show you just how extensive damage is.
- 1:14Speaker 2: Even here on this road, you can see that the
- 1:16Speaker 2: mud has come up and the blocked parts of the road.
- 1:19Speaker 2: We can't go further than this. We're told that given
- 1:22Speaker 2: the extent of damage, it could be dangerous or risky
- 1:25Speaker 2: for us to continue. So for now, we're staying here.
- 1:28Speaker 2: But the scale of economic damage and number of lives
- 1:30Speaker 2: lost is still impossible to measure. The Nepalese government is
- 1:34Speaker 2: continuing to establish how many people have died, while rescue
- 1:37Speaker 2: teams are still searching for those who may be in
- 1:40Speaker 2: desperate need of assistance.
- 1:43Speaker 3: Shankar Dahal is a journalist based in Kathmandu who has
- 1:46Speaker 3: been covering the flash flood on the ground. He told
- 1:49Speaker 3: me more about the challenges the rescue teams are currently
- 1:52Speaker 3: facing there.
- 1:54Speaker 4: This turned a massive humanitarian and together with humanitarian, it's
- 1:58Speaker 4: a logistical challenge for the country like Nepal because we
- 2:03Speaker 4: lack many such logistics. So we cannot respond to such
- 2:10Speaker 4: kind of disaster as we take reference of the past
- 2:13Speaker 4: as well now today too. And the government, the security
- 2:17Speaker 4: forces and even the local communities, extremely they work into
- 2:20Speaker 4: the rescue operations today. And but the problem is we
- 2:25Speaker 4: have access, the road access is up to the Trishuli only.
- 2:28Speaker 4: And beyond that, around 70 kilometers far to the Chinese border,
- 2:33Speaker 4: still we do not have road access. Therefore, we rely
- 2:36Speaker 4: only in the chopper. And due to not having the
- 2:39Speaker 4: proper electricity and not having the telephone access to the people,
- 2:44Speaker 4: still we cannot identify if we have the living one
- 2:49Speaker 4: there in that area. Whatever has been damaged, that is
- 2:54Speaker 4: the real challenge for the Nepal government and even to
- 2:57Speaker 4: the people also. They can't be back into the same,
- 3:02Speaker 4: their houses area. for not having the proper land and
- 3:08Speaker 4: not having the previous estate. So therefore, it is really
- 3:12Speaker 4: a big deal now to the country like Nepal.
- 3:16Speaker 3: The journalist Shankar Dahal there reporting from Nepal. And we
- 3:21Speaker 3: can now bring in David Fisher. He's the head of
- 3:23Speaker 3: the International Federation of Red Cross's delegation in Nepal and
- 3:27Speaker 3: joins us from Kathmandu. David, what can you tell us
- 3:31Speaker 3: about the rescue operation?
- 3:36Speaker 5: Well, as your journalist has just mentioned, there's still areas
- 3:42Speaker 5: that are accessible only by helicopter. But Nepal's armed forces
- 3:48Speaker 5: have been doing work day and night to try to
- 3:51Speaker 5: rescue people and also to bring in some small amounts
- 3:55Speaker 5: of relief. But we're very worried about their well-being. We
- 3:59Speaker 5: haven't been able to do a real assessment in the
- 4:02Speaker 5: Rasuwa area. And we know that the needs are very high.
- 4:07Speaker 5: We've just been able to reestablish reliable communication with the
- 4:11Speaker 5: Nepal Red Cross's local chapter there. They, thank goodness, are okay.
- 4:18Speaker 5: And they've been working very hard with the armed forces,
- 4:21Speaker 5: but much more is needed. Red Cross has been supporting
- 4:25Speaker 5: the emergency needs further south where there is access, and
- 4:28Speaker 5: those needs are still very extreme. So many people have
- 4:31Speaker 5: lost their homes. They need food and water. They've lost everything.
- 4:34Speaker 5: They need hygiene items. They're taking refuge in schools and
- 4:39Speaker 5: government buildings amid all of this mud and gunk, as
- 4:43Speaker 5: your pictures show. And so there's a very long road
- 4:49Speaker 5: still ahead of us to getting a normal life back again.
- 4:55Speaker 3: Speaking about the long road, the disaster zone is very,
- 4:58Speaker 3: very large. Are aid agencies able to reach everyone who
- 5:03Speaker 3: actually needs help?
- 5:07Speaker 5: So far, no. No, we're not. As it happens, in
- 5:12Speaker 5: the area that we can access, there are plenty of
- 5:14Speaker 5: people who do need the help. But there are still
- 5:18Speaker 5: people who are beyond our reach. And we're most concerned
- 5:22Speaker 5: about them. And it's not just food and different items,
- 5:29Speaker 5: but it's safe water. We're very concerned about the possibility
- 5:33Speaker 5: for waterborne diseases, which would add enormous misery to what's
- 5:37Speaker 5: already facing this population. And today, of course, there was
- 5:41Speaker 5: this terrifying incident with the secondary flood, which, thank goodness,
- 5:46Speaker 5: was nothing like the flood on Wednesday. But it sent
- 5:50Speaker 5: people scrambling up into higher reaches. And it has reinforced
- 5:53Speaker 5: the trauma that the families who are affected by this
- 5:57Speaker 5: disaster have felt.
- 5:59Speaker 3: Now, we've seen reports today that Nepal has turned down
- 6:03Speaker 3: search and rescue help from abroad. Given how dire the
- 6:06Speaker 3: situation is, it strikes me as a bit odd. Can
- 6:10Speaker 3: you help explain that?
- 6:14Speaker 5: Well, it's not unusual for governments to pick and choose
- 6:17Speaker 5: what they really feel they need. And search and rescue
- 6:20Speaker 5: is a very specialized type of support. And there were
- 6:25Speaker 5: thousands of armed troops who were involved in this, dozens
- 6:30Speaker 5: of helicopters that the government has been able to deploy.
- 6:33Speaker 5: It's never enough, but it can be very complicated to
- 6:37Speaker 5: have teams coming in from all over the world. And
- 6:40Speaker 5: they often arrive very late and are able to contribute
- 6:44Speaker 5: a limited amount. Not nothing, of course, but it's not necessarily...
- 6:55Speaker 5: what can I say, a sign of intolerance. And it
- 6:58Speaker 5: can be very difficult to coordinate so many teams. On
- 7:01Speaker 5: the other hand, the government has been very clear that
- 7:04Speaker 5: they are welcoming international relief support, international recovery support. They
- 7:09Speaker 5: are working to facilitate that from the Red Cross, from
- 7:13Speaker 5: the United Nations and other actors. And so we are
- 7:17Speaker 5: doing our best to to raise funds and to support
- 7:21Speaker 5: the humanitarian action, in our case, of community-level volunteers of
- 7:25Speaker 5: the Red Cross Society.
- 7:27Speaker 3: Now, if we look at the scale of this tragedy,
- 7:30Speaker 3: is it comparable to anything you've worked on in the past?
- 7:36Speaker 5: Well, Nepal has seen much more than its share of disasters.
- 7:41Speaker 5: Every year, we have floods and landslides. In 2024, we
- 7:45Speaker 5: had a massive flood very close to the capital city
- 7:49Speaker 5: of Kathmandu that affected thousands and thousands of families. And
- 7:55Speaker 5: of course, in 2015, there was the history-making earthquake, Gorkha
- 8:00Speaker 5: earthquake here, affected millions of people. Having said that, this
- 8:05Speaker 5: incident is unique. The force of the water, the number
- 8:08Speaker 5: of people and homes that have been affected, this is
- 8:11Speaker 5: going to be a major, major strain for Nepal in
- 8:15Speaker 5: its recoveries.
- 8:17Speaker 3: Now, what do you expect the international community to do?
- 8:21Speaker 3: Will there be any coordinated effort?
- 8:25Speaker 5: We have good coordination in-country, particularly with the various ministries
- 8:30Speaker 5: at the national level and, of course, with local authorities.
- 8:33Speaker 5: They are playing a leading role in this effort and
- 8:36Speaker 5: have taken their role very seriously. We coordinate, of course,
- 8:41Speaker 5: also with our friends in the humanitarian community We play
- 8:45Speaker 5: a leading role in the shelter sector, for instance, with
- 8:50Speaker 5: all of these colleagues. But coordination will be a challenge
- 8:55Speaker 5: going forward. And what's most important, though, is that we
- 9:01Speaker 5: gather the resources and put them in the hands of
- 9:03Speaker 5: the people that need them. And so we have launched
- 9:07Speaker 5: a global appeal and we're counting on solidarity.
- 9:11Speaker 3: David Fisher there. head of the International Federation of Red
- 9:14Speaker 3: Cross's delegation in Nepal. Thank you very much.
- 9:19Speaker 1: Thank you.