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GIA: Soundprint, Style & Self Belief · TRi THIS Music: The Podcast

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Speaker 2: Perfect perfect um so you have such an amazing creative
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Speaker 2: vision um and i think anyone can kind of see
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Speaker 2: that from um your social medias and how you carry
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Speaker 2: yourself on these various platforms and on spotify um the
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Speaker 2: the photography and like the world of gia so far
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Speaker 2: um is something that seems already so complex and quite
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Speaker 2: diverse and flexible. So I was really interested in how
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Speaker 2: you first decided to get into music and start creating
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Speaker 2: in that department because there's so many departments that you
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Speaker 2: seem to seem to excel in already so far.
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Speaker 3: So what drew you into music?
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Speaker 4: So basically it's not a hard question. I was growing
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Speaker 4: up with a lot of music and I'm like a
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Speaker 4: kid from 2000. I was born in 2001. So my
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Speaker 4: parents were always like putting the radio on the first
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Speaker 4: thing in the morning. My father is always doing, I
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Speaker 4: don't live with my parents anymore, but like the first
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Speaker 4: thing they're always doing, the radio is on. We're leaving
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Speaker 4: the house. The last thing that the radio is off
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Speaker 4: or sometimes my father is, is leaving the radio on.
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Speaker 4: So when we entered the house, the music, is in
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Speaker 4: the house. So I was always growing up with that.
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Speaker 4: And my parents were always showing me music, buying me CDs.
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Speaker 4: My father showed me like the Thriller music video by
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Speaker 4: Michael Jackson. They were like constantly showing me music. And
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Speaker 4: they're like, you have to listen to this record. You
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Speaker 4: have to listen to this CD. And I was just
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Speaker 4: a kid like, oh my God, this is cool. This
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Speaker 4: is like a zombie music video. Like what's going on?
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Speaker 4: And my family was, and my parents, they were always
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Speaker 4: like dancing to music and singing some crazy stuff. I
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Speaker 4: was like, what is this? Why are they singing Celine
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Speaker 4: Dion or like Beyonce and my father is just like
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Speaker 4: in the zone and it gave me so much confidence
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Speaker 4: and it felt like a blanket to me of like
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Speaker 4: home and it always gave me this like hope and
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Speaker 4: every time I feel bad or good or happy I'm
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Speaker 4: like okay what will make me feel like I'm at
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Speaker 4: home and that's music and it's always been like a
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Speaker 4: medicine a way for me to like feel confident and
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Speaker 4: feel a bit like at home and it has always
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Speaker 4: been like this power. And it came to me a
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Speaker 4: little bit because my parents were giving me so much
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Speaker 4: of that. And the same with my grandparents, the radio
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Speaker 4: was always on the first thing in the morning, the
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Speaker 4: radio was on and everyone is dancing. Everyone is singing.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, what the hell is going on? Like, why
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Speaker 4: can't we just talk? It was like, no, let's listen
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Speaker 4: to this song. Let's listen to this. And I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 4: let's go. And my mother introduced me to Amy Winehouse,
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Speaker 4: her like, ringtone was back to black and she was
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Speaker 4: always like you need to listen to emil house you
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Speaker 4: need i was like what she's like you need and
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Speaker 4: i was seven so they really put me on a
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Speaker 4: lot of things yeah yeah and um.
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Speaker 2: Did you grow up in poland um yeah yeah it's
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Speaker 2: i absolutely love that my best friend is polish um
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Speaker 2: and she came um to england in um it'd be
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Speaker 2: about probably about 10 years ago now um and so
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Speaker 2: um I really love when she speaks about music as well,
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Speaker 2: because she introduced me to so much. um underground stuff
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Speaker 2: and um kind of your niche kind of pop music
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Speaker 2: um that um we we heard here but wasn't really
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Speaker 2: big but was more so big over there um really
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Speaker 2: kind of under appreciated in the uk um so there's
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Speaker 2: so much i imagine that you grew up with so
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Speaker 2: much um amazing music um to obviously be inspired by
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Speaker 2: and um a lot of pop and you know kind
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Speaker 2: of euro pop and stuff like that um yeah.
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Speaker 4: Also incredible Polish music. I recommend everybody to check out
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Speaker 4: like 2000 Polish playlist, like a lot of incredible Polish
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Speaker 4: singers and musicians. And the sound was just different. It
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Speaker 4: was just like people were craving honesty and truth. And
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Speaker 4: it gave me like so much like juice out of it.
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Speaker 4: Like it felt so powerful and it still feels powerful,
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Speaker 4: but I feel like people try to recreate this feeling
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Speaker 4: and it's hard to recreate this nostalgia. But like back
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Speaker 4: in the day, I was like, I need to I
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Speaker 4: need to just listen to as much music as possible,
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Speaker 4: the same as Polish music. So anybody out there listen
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Speaker 4: to Polish music. It's it's really dope.
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Speaker 3: Yes. And bands. Oh, I agree. I agree. And tell
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Speaker 3: us about the House of Hempel. I hope I'm pronouncing
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Speaker 3: it right.
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Speaker 2: It's a wonderful back story and like a wonderful thing
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Speaker 2: that you've begun to kind of and continue forth this
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Speaker 2: craftsmanship and this background of, I'm assuming, really talented individuals.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell us about that and why you set it up.
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Speaker 4: So basically, when I was a kid, I was always
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Speaker 4: obsessed with fashion and with jewelry, of course. And then
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Speaker 4: my parents and my grandparents told me about that my
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Speaker 4: family used to do a lot of cutlery. And I
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Speaker 4: was like, oh, that's crazy. But because of the World
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Speaker 4: War II, the Second World War or the World War II,
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know how you say it correctly.
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Speaker 4: The Second is the first or the Second World War. Yes,
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Speaker 4: we had an issue because, of course, we couldn't keep
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Speaker 4: up with the with the cutlery making and a lot
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Speaker 4: of cutlery got stolen and then some of the pieces
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Speaker 4: survived and then my parents sat me down. They're like, okay,
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Speaker 4: we have some pieces we want to show you. And
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Speaker 4: I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. Like,
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Speaker 4: I cannot believe that my grandparents were doing jewelry and
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Speaker 4: cutlery and it was also artistic. And then I felt like,
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Speaker 4: oh my God, they're like, we're some artists in my
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Speaker 4: family and now it all makes sense. Like it all
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Speaker 4: makes sense why I love so many details and I
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Speaker 4: love looking around just the world and architecture and art. So,
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Speaker 4: And I felt like if I would continue doing music,
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Speaker 4: then I would love to just represent my family. And
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Speaker 4: it made me sad that it just stopped. And I
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Speaker 4: was like, okay, if I have the power and I
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Speaker 4: can make something out there for my future legacy, I
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Speaker 4: don't want to have kids, but if I have cousins
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Speaker 4: and my brother wants to have kids, and okay, maybe
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Speaker 4: one day I will have kids, but I don't think so.
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Speaker 4: I've never wanted to have kids. But if I could
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Speaker 4: leave something at least, and that would be like a
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Speaker 4: family business or a family brand that I really wanted
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Speaker 4: to to continue on making. And that would be House
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Speaker 4: of Hempel, basically, because the brand was called Brata Hempels.
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Speaker 4: That was Brothers Hempel. And I thought that's cool, but
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Speaker 4: let's do a House of Hempel because if my family
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Speaker 4: would be involved, that would be my cousins, my brother,
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Speaker 4: maybe his kids. And I really, really wanted to continue
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Speaker 4: with that, but because I'm making music at the moment.
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Speaker 4: And if you really want to do something special and
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Speaker 4: with silver or do a cutlery, you have to have
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Speaker 4: like a proper budget equipment. And I don't want to
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Speaker 4: just do it just so I can say that I
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Speaker 4: did it. And actually, I have two pieces here that
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Speaker 4: I wanted to show you. Like, sorry. The first thing
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Speaker 4: is the bracelet. It's super cute. Oh, wow. A friend
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Speaker 4: that did it for my grandma, I think. So it's beautiful.
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Speaker 4: And the second thing, I got it just for my birthday.
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Speaker 4: So this is this, like, beautiful spoon that I.
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Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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Speaker 4: It's beautiful. And, like, it has, like, of course, this is, like,
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Speaker 4: they did a lot of crazier things. Sorry. I don't
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Speaker 4: know how to even do that. But, like. It's so
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Speaker 4: many beautiful details and it's so beautiful. So I was like,
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Speaker 4: I would love to continue on making stuff like that. But,
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Speaker 4: you know, I need to have the budget and the
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Speaker 4: fonts and the vision and the designers, probably Polish people,
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Speaker 4: or maybe not, let's see. But that's why I was like,
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Speaker 4: I'm going to start releasing stuff and I'm going to
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Speaker 4: make it with my label. But then the moment I'm
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Speaker 4: going to make my future... bigger or brighter, then I
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Speaker 4: will continue with this cutlery and jewelry dream. So that's
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Speaker 4: the big goal. But for sure, it will take me
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Speaker 4: some years, but I'm excited and I would love to
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Speaker 4: do that. Sorry for speaking so long and fast, but
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Speaker 4: I'm just like, I can't tell you the vision and
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Speaker 4: the story.
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Speaker 3: No, Gia, I love it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for showing us that because it
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Speaker 2: really is beautiful.
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Speaker 3: I know it's not particularly music.
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Speaker 2: Related, but it is music related because it really highlights
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Speaker 2: the journey, I think. And it really highlights your ambition
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Speaker 2: as well and your goals and where you want to
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Speaker 2: be and what you want to be doing.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's stunning.
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Speaker 2: It's really interesting because here in the UK, there's so many...
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Speaker 2: antique stores and shops and these beautiful places. And a
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Speaker 2: lot of it feature Polish cutlery and design and pottery
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Speaker 2: as well. There's so many wonderful prints. So I can
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Speaker 2: totally see why you'd be inspired and want to continue
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Speaker 2: that because it really is the most stunning craftsmanship. And
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Speaker 2: I think it really emphasizes the talent. It's just really
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Speaker 2: it's just really wonderful to see you kind of continue
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Speaker 2: that and cherish it. And as you say, like be
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Speaker 2: able to create something for the family to kind of
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Speaker 2: pass down.
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Speaker 3: I just think I think it's really wonderful.
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Speaker 2: And I think it goes hand in hand with the
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Speaker 2: music and really informs us as to the reasoning behind
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Speaker 2: the fashion and the style. Where does your awareness for
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Speaker 2: fashion and style and clothing come from?
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Speaker 3: Because in the photo shoots that we've seen so far,
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Speaker 3: it's so.
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Speaker 2: heightened and it's a it's at a quality of somebody
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Speaker 2: who's been doing it for quite a while um and
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Speaker 2: nobody just kind of just starts with that kind of
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Speaker 2: um template it's obviously there's been so much for you
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Speaker 2: that's gone in behind this stuff um what what has
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Speaker 2: informed you so far on that journey who's inspired you.
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Speaker 4: So many people inspired me for sure family members my
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Speaker 4: grandmas they look crazy like the fits the outfits they
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Speaker 4: always would dress me in like the craziest like fur
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Speaker 4: pieces of course the fake fur pieces and and a
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Speaker 4: lot of hats and since I was a kid I
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Speaker 4: was like very experimental with that but then when I
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Speaker 4: was growing up I love magazines and I love Isabella
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Speaker 4: Blow I love Alexander McQueen I love John Galliano I'm
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Speaker 4: like I'm very visual, I think. And it really is
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Speaker 4: important to me to like connect all the dots together.
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Speaker 4: So if I have a sound or I want to
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Speaker 4: sound a certain way, it has to also look a
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Speaker 4: certain way. So it all is just like one thing together.
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Speaker 4: And then I started experimenting a little bit, but then
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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm always very focused. And what drives me,
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Speaker 4: I think it's also colors. Like I see a color
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, Oh my God, this is how I
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Speaker 4: want this song to sound like. So then I have to,
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Speaker 4: have a piece that will make me feel a certain way,
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Speaker 4: the same way that this song makes me feel like.
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Speaker 4: So colors and fabrics really make me feel like it
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Speaker 4: can work with sound as well. So when I started
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Speaker 4: making music, I was like, how would this song look like?
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Speaker 4: Or what kind of color would this song So I
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Speaker 4: was experimenting with that. And also I live in Berlin,
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Speaker 4: so I've met a lot of incredible artists. So it's
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Speaker 4: kind of hard not to get inspired or be creative.
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Speaker 4: And there's so many incredible people and brands. And then
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Speaker 4: you just see the fabrics and the colors. And I'm
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Speaker 4: obsessed with hats at the moment. And I've met so
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Speaker 4: many amazing people who did some hats for me. And
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Speaker 4: I also have examples. I'm sorry that I'm going to
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Speaker 4: give you examples, but I'm very visual. So, for example,
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Speaker 4: one of my favorite designers right now and one of
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Speaker 4: my closest friends, is Igor Pister and he did this
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Speaker 4: incredible hat for me for my first music video Own
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Speaker 4: It and it's so fab you can play around with
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Speaker 4: it and it's just so beautiful and we did it
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Speaker 4: we went to this like a building shop and I
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Speaker 4: didn't have like a lot of budget so I was
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Speaker 4: like we gotta do it under 100 euros I don't
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Speaker 4: care what we gotta do this was just like some
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Speaker 4: you know very cheap materials like girl we gotta wrap
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Speaker 4: it up we gotta do it so this is what
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Speaker 4: happened and I really cherish this piece because it's so
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Speaker 4: incredible and you can just play around with it a
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Speaker 4: lot You can just wear it on your head. You
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Speaker 4: can wear it on the shirt. You can wear it
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Speaker 4: as a, as a, as a, as an accessory. The
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Speaker 4: next thing is like this metamorpho piece. This is Berlin based. Oh, sorry.
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Speaker 4: Berlin based, um, uh, brand also incredible hats already. I
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Speaker 4: felt like this could be like a piece for, for
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Speaker 4: a new song. I felt like inspired. The color gave
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Speaker 4: me like an idea for, for another song. So that's
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Speaker 4: another connection. I see a piece and I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 4: I know how it's going to sound like. So everything
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Speaker 4: is connecting. And this is one of my favorite pieces
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Speaker 4: so far. This is by UK based artist, Meg Dennis.
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Speaker 4: And she did this incredible hat piece for me recently.
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Speaker 4: And it's so cool. And it's just incredible. So also
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Speaker 4: this inspired me by like a song that I did recently.
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Speaker 4: And I had like some weird ideas and I felt
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Speaker 4: like I'm a bit wrapped. So we also did like
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Speaker 4: this wrapped hat. So yeah, so this is exactly that.
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Speaker 4: Like you have an idea and you think of the sound,
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Speaker 4: of the smell, of the color. And then you see
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Speaker 4: the fashion in Berlin or you see the fashion in the,
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Speaker 4: in the, in the magazines or everywhere. And it's, everything
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Speaker 4: is like connected and you just feel very spiritual as
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Speaker 4: well with that. Like you just follow that. So family, friends, artists,
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Speaker 4: and incredible designers. I think that's the main inspiration.
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Speaker 3: Again, the most beautiful pieces. And so you as well.
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Speaker 2: It feels like they're so you and just so, honestly,
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Speaker 2: it's very hard to describe, but with an artist, very
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Speaker 2: often people miss, especially when they're just starting out, they
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Speaker 2: miss the stylistic style and they miss the visual style
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Speaker 2: and they don't realize that it does go so hand
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Speaker 2: in hand with each other. So it's so nice to
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Speaker 2: see you thinking about those areas and developing those areas.
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Speaker 3: And growing in that way.
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Speaker 2: And I wanted to ask you about sound print as well,
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Speaker 2: in terms of the visual side to begin with, like
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Speaker 2: the visual side, because the front cover is very striking
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Speaker 2: and very defined. It's so beautiful, honestly. And I absolutely love,
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Speaker 2: I think it's the remix. um for espresso martini the
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Speaker 2: the cover for that and how it's kind of now
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Speaker 2: um it's like been edited so it's like got the
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Speaker 2: the dots i think it's absolutely beautiful absolutely i was.
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Speaker 4: Talking to this one uh graphic designer and he told
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Speaker 4: me this is disgusting and i was like bitch i'm
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Speaker 4: gonna do it anyway.
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Speaker 2: I love the dots the cover oh they're the ep
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Speaker 2: like the releases.
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Speaker 4: The remixes because i was yeah who's like no i
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Speaker 4: don't like it we're not gonna do this cover and
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Speaker 4: i was like i'm gonna design it myself done end
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Speaker 4: of conversation so i did this cover and i love
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Speaker 4: maybe it's not the right thing to do if you're
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Speaker 4: a graphic designer i'm not but i love the dots
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Speaker 4: and i love this kind of feeling and like a
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Speaker 4: little bit of retro feeling or like i don't know
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Speaker 4: back in the day they did a lot of dots
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Speaker 4: on covers and i felt like this is just it
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Speaker 4: feels like something uh it's for sure it's different than
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Speaker 4: the sound print and the original um cover and and
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Speaker 4: i just wanted to make it a bit fun.
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Speaker 2: So it's the hair for me it's the hair on
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Speaker 2: that it's just like and the exposure um i think
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Speaker 2: it's absolutely crazy that he said that i can't believe
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Speaker 2: that it's just honestly it's.
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Speaker 4: Talking about the remixes a cover because the the main
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Speaker 4: cover i did with incredible photographer carlos castrosi and we
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Speaker 4: we did incredible photo shoot and and it's And also
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Speaker 4: it's so fun because when you create a vision and
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Speaker 4: you have it in your head, you feel like, I
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Speaker 4: don't know if it's going to work, the hair, the dress,
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Speaker 4: the everything. And you just try to have a piece
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Speaker 4: by piece and just collect it all together and connect it.
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Speaker 4: And then when you take a pic or when you
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Speaker 4: work with people, it all works. So it's incredible. And I,
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Speaker 4: and I, and I love it. So.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think the album is very much a journey. I
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Speaker 2: think it has so many different styles across it. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: how does it feel to have it on this physical edition?
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Speaker 2: We've got the vinyls, the different colours of the vinyl,
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Speaker 2: we've got it on CD. How does it feel to
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Speaker 2: have it in your hands and be able to hold
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Speaker 2: this wonderful piece of art that you've created?
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Speaker 3: I mean, look at the back cover, the back cover.
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Speaker 3: Oh my God.
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Speaker 2: And the hat on that back cover, how symmetrical you've
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Speaker 2: managed to get it.
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Speaker 3: It's just, honestly....
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Speaker 4: I mean this is like the proudest moment I think
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Speaker 4: for me so far in this musical journey because I've
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Speaker 4: always I that was like the biggest dream of mine
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Speaker 4: to have like a physical copy of the CD or
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Speaker 4: the vinyl and I was just praying every day like
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Speaker 4: I need to make it work I need to make
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Speaker 4: it work and a lot of people told me that
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Speaker 4: this is a dumb decision and financially wise just make
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Speaker 4: songs keep on making singles and I'm like I don't
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Speaker 4: want to make single just make singles I just want
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Speaker 4: to make physical copies for people that collect them I
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Speaker 4: collect physical media so I feel like this is very
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Speaker 4: important to have that in your house and yeah it
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Speaker 4: just felt surreal like I felt like this is not
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Speaker 4: real I received the first vinyl and I was like
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Speaker 4: this is not happening this is insane like I'm losing
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Speaker 4: my mind and I'm still like very excited like a
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Speaker 4: child and I'm always like and even my friends tell
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Speaker 4: me like you always post about it and you're like
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Speaker 4: can you just I'm like no I cannot stop like
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Speaker 4: you don't understand because it's It's just so crazy that
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Speaker 4: you can, like, it was a vision in my head, like,
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Speaker 4: the past few months. And then the next thing you know,
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Speaker 4: you hold it. And it's just so incredible that you
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Speaker 4: can actually believe that you can do it, that it's possible.
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Speaker 4: And it really, like, puts you in this, like, position
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Speaker 4: where you realize that your mind is, like, it can
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Speaker 4: do anything you want. So, yeah, the cover is crazy.
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Speaker 4: It's beautiful. This is the back. Also, I have, like,
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Speaker 4: the colors here. I will show you one or two
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Speaker 4: because I love showing people. This is like this yellow one.
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Speaker 4: It's so pretty. It's so good. It's so colorful. And
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Speaker 4: it's just so me. That's why I really wanted to
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Speaker 4: do it because I collect a lot of, a lot
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Speaker 4: of vinyls and they're like black or white. And I'm like,
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Speaker 4: it's cool. But like, I really want to do something
17:58
Speaker 4: special for people. And for myself as well, this is like,
18:01
Speaker 4: it's so vibrant and it's so cool. I think. And
18:04
Speaker 4: I did like one copy that was just like, I
18:08
Speaker 4: don't even know the color of it. It's like burgundy,
18:10
Speaker 4: like it's like reddish and brown. Yeah. yeah it's pretty
18:14
Speaker 4: so yeah this is and the last thing the last
18:17
Speaker 4: one is this magenta thing i love it.
18:22
Speaker 3: I love it and.
18:25
Speaker 4: The cd has like the uh the the red the
18:28
Speaker 4: red um uh oh my god I need to send
18:32
Speaker 4: you one. So send me your address.
18:34
Speaker 3: Honestly, I have.
18:35
Speaker 2: I have about, probably about just over a thousand vinyls
18:39
Speaker 2: in this house and CDs and cassettes, probably the same number.
18:44
Speaker 3: And so it's like, I'm a bit of a vinyl snob.
18:48
Speaker 2: Because it's like, I love the colours and I love the,
18:51
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you mean about the colour and how,
18:53
Speaker 2: you know, most pressings are just like black or just
18:55
Speaker 2: white or something like, or clear or something like that.
18:58
Speaker 3: So it's really amazing.
19:00
Speaker 2: I have the, I actually have down here, Finally Enough Love,
19:05
Speaker 2: the Madonna one. And this is, this is printed on
19:10
Speaker 2: like similar colours. It's like got yellow, it's all the
19:13
Speaker 2: rainbow stuff. I think this is the rainbow edition. So
19:16
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you mean. I know exactly what
19:18
Speaker 2: you mean.
19:19
Speaker 4: The colors are so vibrant. You feel so alive and
19:23
Speaker 4: so fresh. And it just gives you this like love
19:25
Speaker 4: and hope and this experience. Like if you play it
19:27
Speaker 4: on your phone and on your speaker, it doesn't give
19:29
Speaker 4: you this experience.
19:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is it. Exactly. So this is totally it.
19:35
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like with an album, especially like Soundprint,
19:38
Speaker 2: you want to hear the whole story.
19:40
Speaker 3: Obviously, it's got an intro. It's got an outro. It's
19:43
Speaker 3: a journey.
19:44
Speaker 2: With streaming, what we find ourselves doing is skipping through.
19:48
Speaker 2: And you lose the quality as well, I think. I
19:50
Speaker 2: think you lose certain sounds. And, you know, it's just
19:54
Speaker 2: a different listening experience.
19:55
Speaker 3: I love putting a.
19:56
Speaker 2: Vinyl on and then having it go all the way through,
19:58
Speaker 2: especially a few times as well. Whenever I hear an
20:01
Speaker 2: album for the first time, I go through, you know,
20:03
Speaker 2: a couple of times to really kind of let it
20:05
Speaker 2: sit with me.
20:06
Speaker 3: I made so many notes on the same print. I
20:10
Speaker 3: had to write it all down because.
20:11
Speaker 2: I was like, I know in the moment I'm going
20:13
Speaker 2: to forget what I'm talking about and it's just going
20:15
Speaker 2: to go wrong.
20:16
Speaker 3: But it's such a wonderful piece of art. And that's
20:18
Speaker 3: what it is.
20:19
Speaker 2: It's art because it covers, I feel like, so many
20:22
Speaker 2: different styles. And it has a real progression to it,
20:29
Speaker 2: which I really love.
20:31
Speaker 3: I put... Oh, I can't.
20:34
Speaker 2: I can't even read my I can't even read my
20:36
Speaker 2: head right I put this see you again it's very
20:38
Speaker 2: like 2010s um kind of early 2010s summery and bright
20:45
Speaker 2: um this.
20:46
Speaker 4: Is the first song I've ever wrote in my life
20:48
Speaker 4: I did it in 2021 I moved to Berlin I
20:51
Speaker 4: don't know what I want to write I don't know
20:53
Speaker 4: what I want to say but there's this one person
20:54
Speaker 4: that I I don't ever want to see again and
20:57
Speaker 4: I used to see their face all the time when
20:59
Speaker 4: I was in Berlin, but that was about a person
21:00
Speaker 4: from Warsaw. And I was like, I'm in a different city. Like,
21:03
Speaker 4: why do I keep seeing this face? Is my brain
21:05
Speaker 4: tricking me? And I was like, I need to let
21:07
Speaker 4: it out. So that was like the first song that
21:08
Speaker 4: I started and finished. And I was like, we have
21:11
Speaker 4: to release it. And then I was waiting a few
21:13
Speaker 4: years because I was starting to release it. But I
21:15
Speaker 4: was like, if I'm going to release it, it has
21:16
Speaker 4: to be like a proper release. And I'm happy that
21:18
Speaker 4: I waited. But it's, yeah, it's a cool song. And
21:21
Speaker 4: I'm happy that you say that it gives you this
21:23
Speaker 4: 2010 vibes because I really wanted to give it like,
21:25
Speaker 4: early 2000s, a little bit of vibe to it. Yeah.
21:28
Speaker 2: Well, it's not a sound that you really hear anymore
21:32
Speaker 2: these days. It's kind of like a lost sound. So
21:35
Speaker 2: when I heard it, I was like, wow, this is
21:37
Speaker 2: what it really reminds me of. Just following on what
21:40
Speaker 2: you just said there, did you always envision an album?
21:44
Speaker 2: Did you always envision launching with this album and having
21:48
Speaker 2: these songs, if they were written at different times, did
21:50
Speaker 2: you always envision that this would be the format that
21:53
Speaker 2: you would put this collection of music in?
21:56
Speaker 4: No. I mean, this is just an EP and all
21:59
Speaker 4: those songs are just demos. Like, to be honest, I
22:02
Speaker 4: was just like, I really want to have an opportunity
22:04
Speaker 4: to make something. And in Warsaw, I wasn't really able
22:07
Speaker 4: to make a proper song or songs. And it was always,
22:12
Speaker 4: there was always a sign that was like, no, it's
22:15
Speaker 4: not possible. This producer was Not really willing to work.
22:18
Speaker 4: Another person didn't have time. And it was always like
22:20
Speaker 4: a big no. Everywhere was like the sign was a no, no, no, no, no.
22:23
Speaker 4: And then they moved to Berlin and I was like,
22:25
Speaker 4: I really need to do it. When I was 18,
22:26
Speaker 4: I was like, I really want to make music. And
22:28
Speaker 4: I always had this feeling that I really want to
22:30
Speaker 4: do it. But then I was waiting for maybe to
22:32
Speaker 4: change because everyone would tell me like, oh, it's, you know,
22:35
Speaker 4: it's not the real thing. You should just be, I
22:37
Speaker 4: don't know, have a normal job. But I've always felt
22:40
Speaker 4: like this is not for me. And then I was like, no,
22:43
Speaker 4: I have to just keep on moving. So then I
22:46
Speaker 4: turned 18. I was like, no, I need to make music.
22:47
Speaker 4: I need to make music. And it was just like
22:49
Speaker 4: banging in my head every day. Like, you need to
22:50
Speaker 4: make music. And then I went to Berlin in 2021.
22:53
Speaker 4: I've met a few producers. And then I was like, okay,
22:56
Speaker 4: let's go. And everything was like a yes. Everyone was
22:59
Speaker 4: like a green light. Everyone wanted to work. People wanted
23:01
Speaker 4: to experiment. And I didn't have to have like a...
23:03
Speaker 4: crazy background or like already like songs to be able
23:07
Speaker 4: to work with those people. And that gave me a
23:08
Speaker 4: lot of confidence and like feeling like, OK, I'm in
23:10
Speaker 4: the right place. I know what I'm doing. I know
23:12
Speaker 4: who I am. I know what I want to say.
23:14
Speaker 4: But still, those demos were just like for me to
23:17
Speaker 4: be like, I feel like I dipped like my toe.
23:20
Speaker 4: It was like I won't see if the water is cold.
23:23
Speaker 4: Like it was just like this. I allowed myself to
23:25
Speaker 4: just dip a toe. But I want to just jump
23:29
Speaker 4: into the water. That's why now I'm working on a
23:31
Speaker 4: proper album. But the EP was just like, I'll just
23:34
Speaker 4: try to make as many demos that I can and
23:36
Speaker 4: just see if they're cohesive in any way, lyrically or sound-like,
23:40
Speaker 4: and let's just go. And this is what I did.
23:42
Speaker 4: I still feel like this EP is just like a
23:44
Speaker 4: little start and it's not... I mean, I'm proud of it,
23:47
Speaker 4: but of course I feel like I can do... I
23:51
Speaker 4: don't want to judge it, but of course I can
23:52
Speaker 4: do so much better things, but it's still a great
23:54
Speaker 4: EP and it's a great start. But I know that
23:57
Speaker 4: this is just the beginning and I'm very excited and
24:00
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm ready to just jump into the water,
24:03
Speaker 4: you know, like just go for it. So, yeah. So
24:06
Speaker 4: of course, like this, you know, as I said, the,
24:08
Speaker 4: the songs, um, I just allowed that to happen. And
24:12
Speaker 4: now it's just blessed that I did some demos that
24:14
Speaker 4: I can release that that's how it felt. Yeah. Like
24:16
Speaker 4: an opportunity. So I just squeezed it.
24:19
Speaker 2: But they all blend together so well, I think. It's
24:22
Speaker 2: really strange how well the vibe carries through each song.
24:26
Speaker 2: And I think that's probably because it's you and you
24:29
Speaker 2: can feel your presence, especially, and your character and your
24:33
Speaker 2: artistry all the way through each track. And I think
24:36
Speaker 2: that's probably why these demos blend so well with each other.
24:40
Speaker 2: They don't really sound like demos as well, which is
24:42
Speaker 2: another nice thing. They sound really well put together and
24:45
Speaker 2: really well produced. And it does still feel very manageable.
24:51
Speaker 4: And the people were working on it very hard, but
24:54
Speaker 4: for me, it was just like, let's just get this
24:56
Speaker 4: idea straight away. I didn't have like, I had like
24:58
Speaker 4: a few other things that I wanted to work on,
25:00
Speaker 4: but of course, you know, it was just like the
25:02
Speaker 4: first thing that I ever put together. So yeah, the
25:05
Speaker 4: production and just everybody who worked in it, they're incredible.
25:08
Speaker 4: And they really put so much time and effort into it.
25:11
Speaker 4: But I was just speaking, you know, about the, like,
25:14
Speaker 4: I wasn't really thinking like, should I make a better
25:16
Speaker 4: song or better? Should I write something better? I was like,
25:19
Speaker 4: let's just, go for it.
25:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you did. I'm really glad you did.
25:25
Speaker 2: Because it's, you know, I'm really glad that you have
25:27
Speaker 2: the attitude of, if I don't do it now, I'm
25:30
Speaker 2: not going to do it.
25:31
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
25:32
Speaker 2: I really like that attitude, because you with art, especially,
25:36
Speaker 2: you have to kind of like, you just have to
25:39
Speaker 2: put it out there, you have to get it seen,
25:40
Speaker 2: and you have to kind of spread it. And, you know,
25:44
Speaker 2: I feel like that's where the growth comes from, as
25:45
Speaker 2: well reinvention, and it just kind of presents more opportunities
25:51
Speaker 2: to reinvent and to grow and this, that and the other.
25:54
Speaker 2: Another one that stood out for me was What You
25:56
Speaker 2: Love Does. It feels very everything but the girl coded.
26:03
Speaker 2: It's kind of got like a late 90s, early 2000s.
26:07
Speaker 2: It's got, it's like the beat of, they did a
26:10
Speaker 2: song called Five Fathoms and it feels very much like that.
26:14
Speaker 2: And I was just like, oh, this is so nice.
26:17
Speaker 2: This is just like, It's so good because you can feel...
26:20
Speaker 2: I'm really glad the first conversation we had in this
26:22
Speaker 2: interview was about your background and about the music that
26:25
Speaker 2: you grew up listening to because you can see now
26:28
Speaker 2: how this has influenced this EP and the production values
26:35
Speaker 2: on it.
26:37
Speaker 3: And was it like... Do you think it was... Is
26:40
Speaker 3: writing music and producing music... Did you.
26:43
Speaker 2: Come to the realisation that it's something that comes easily
26:46
Speaker 2: and naturally... Or is it something that you kind of,
26:50
Speaker 2: that takes a lot of time to think through and
26:53
Speaker 2: to write each track? Because obviously you're quite new still
26:58
Speaker 2: and you've kind of, you're dipping your toe into music, right?
27:02
Speaker 2: Is it something that you've thought to yourself, oh, this
27:04
Speaker 2: is something that I find so natural, so easy, it
27:07
Speaker 2: just comes flooding out? Or is it something that takes
27:11
Speaker 2: a little bit more time, a little bit more finesse
27:12
Speaker 2: for you?
27:13
Speaker 3: What do you think your experience is like?
27:16
Speaker 4: So far, I think that when it comes to like
27:19
Speaker 4: lyrically and when it comes to writing a song, it's
27:23
Speaker 4: quite natural because I've been going through some stuff where
27:26
Speaker 4: I feel a certain way and I just have to
27:27
Speaker 4: let it go or let it out. So I create
27:30
Speaker 4: melodies and it just comes to me. It's like fishing.
27:32
Speaker 4: You know, you fish and then you have a and
27:34
Speaker 4: then it's like that. You just have to have this
27:36
Speaker 4: first step. I cannot believe I just say that this
27:39
Speaker 4: is like fishing. That's crazy. But yeah, I mean, you know,
27:44
Speaker 4: it's just like you have to fish for those ideas, basically.
27:46
Speaker 4: And if you really just put yourself out there, it
27:48
Speaker 4: will all come to you. The production, I try to
27:52
Speaker 4: produce a lot of stuff by myself, but I'm the
27:54
Speaker 4: worst at it. I'm the worst. So usually I work
27:59
Speaker 4: with a lot of different producers. And at the beginning
28:00
Speaker 4: of my journey, I was working with Rene Corbett, who
28:02
Speaker 4: is produced what your love does to me see you
28:04
Speaker 4: again um you cannot break me and he is incredible
28:09
Speaker 4: producer and he just gave me that um a lot
28:13
Speaker 4: of ideas and a lot of sounds that he loved
28:16
Speaker 4: and and then it was quite easy for me to
28:18
Speaker 4: just adjust and start writing how I felt because then
28:20
Speaker 4: I when you have like a a nice idea or
28:23
Speaker 4: like a melody then you can just kind of start
28:25
Speaker 4: saying okay I'm I don't want to feel this way
28:28
Speaker 4: or this kind of person made me feel this way.
28:30
Speaker 4: And then you just, it all starts pouring out of you,
28:33
Speaker 4: I think. So, so when, and I feel like we
28:36
Speaker 4: go through so much every day that every person should
28:39
Speaker 4: write something every day. Like I feel this way or
28:41
Speaker 4: I'm going through this way and therapy or just for
28:45
Speaker 4: just so you're aware of how you really feel or
28:47
Speaker 4: what's going on in your life. So you can understand
28:49
Speaker 4: yourself a little bit more, but yeah, For sure, writing
28:52
Speaker 4: and creating melodies is quite easy for me, but the
28:56
Speaker 4: production part, I need to have help, and I've worked
28:58
Speaker 4: with a lot of different producers, and they usually give me, like,
29:01
Speaker 4: this good... I tell them, like, I want to create
29:03
Speaker 4: this kind of sound or this, and they just give
29:05
Speaker 4: me ideas, or they show me something that they really love,
29:08
Speaker 4: and then I'm like, okay, let's go. And they're all
29:10
Speaker 4: also inspired by, like, 2000, and they were living in
29:13
Speaker 4: that era or the 90s, and they really know what's
29:16
Speaker 4: going on, so... So it's nice. And of course, working
29:19
Speaker 4: with people, it's always a journey and you have to
29:22
Speaker 4: just see what the person or the person you're working
29:26
Speaker 4: with would like to do or what they are into.
29:28
Speaker 4: But usually it's kind of, you just click, it just clicks.
29:33
Speaker 4: So writing, melody, singing, slay, the production, I'm not quite sure.
29:40
Speaker 4: about that but of course I'd love to learn more
29:42
Speaker 4: and I try to play some stuff by myself and
29:44
Speaker 4: now when I'm working on this album I do a
29:46
Speaker 4: lot of production myself but then I also show some
29:49
Speaker 4: stuff to people and then I redo stuff with them
29:52
Speaker 4: so when I have like demos basically then I go
29:55
Speaker 4: to that I'm working with right now, I work with
29:58
Speaker 4: Adam right now, this Polish producer, he lives in Madeira
30:00
Speaker 4: in Portugal, and I showed him some stuff and he
30:04
Speaker 4: just sends me something and he's like, this, and I'm like,
30:06
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is, yeah, it sounds so good,
30:08
Speaker 4: it sounds so fresh, and the keys, the drums, everything, so, so, um,
30:14
Speaker 4: It's just like a mutual thing, I think. It depends
30:17
Speaker 4: on the vibe of people you work with. But I
30:19
Speaker 4: feel like also it's quite easy when you know what
30:21
Speaker 4: you want or at least when you know what you
30:23
Speaker 4: want to write about or what you want to say
30:24
Speaker 4: or how you feel. Or even if you don't know
30:26
Speaker 4: how you feel, because you write something, then people can
30:30
Speaker 4: be like, okay, she feels this way or that way.
30:31
Speaker 4: They can kind of adjust a little bit.
30:33
Speaker 3: So.
30:35
Speaker 4: sorry for speaking so much.
30:37
Speaker 2: No no honestly yeah it's amazing honestly it's amazing keep
30:41
Speaker 2: going it's absolutely brilliant stuff and what's the reception been
30:46
Speaker 2: like to this release and just the beginning of your
30:51
Speaker 2: artistry as a whole what kind of reception have you
30:54
Speaker 2: had from people who you're close to and for people
30:58
Speaker 2: now discovering your music like through social media or whether
31:01
Speaker 2: it's like live performance or just basically just showing someone
31:05
Speaker 2: what you're doing um what's the reception been like for
31:08
Speaker 2: you because obviously it's very it's quite a brave thing
31:11
Speaker 2: to do to put yourself on this pedestal i mean
31:13
Speaker 2: we get judged for our art right so um how's
31:17
Speaker 2: it how's that experience been for you so far.
31:20
Speaker 4: So far, it's been great. Everyone is pretty nice and
31:24
Speaker 4: positive about it. And I'm very glad and I'm very
31:26
Speaker 4: blessed because it's just so nice to hear that somebody
31:29
Speaker 4: likes a song or they like an EP and they
31:31
Speaker 4: listen to it. Actually, a lot of friends of mine
31:33
Speaker 4: were like, yeah, good job. I'm not going to listen
31:35
Speaker 4: to it because that's not my genre, but keep going, girl.
31:39
Speaker 4: And some friends of mine that I've never even knew
31:41
Speaker 4: that like this kind of music, they listen to it constantly.
31:45
Speaker 4: And there's some people that I've met who are, for example,
31:46
Speaker 4: a bit older who are like, I really like it.
31:48
Speaker 4: Or some people are like, I don't really necessarily like
31:51
Speaker 4: it because of the genre, but still, I think the
31:53
Speaker 4: production-wise and what you did is good. So I haven't
31:56
Speaker 4: met anyone who would be like, this is a total crap.
31:58
Speaker 4: But also if somebody would say that, I would actually
32:01
Speaker 4: enjoy the feedback because I feel like it's also very
32:04
Speaker 4: very good to hear like what, for example, they didn't like.
32:07
Speaker 4: And if somebody is very nice and the criticism is
32:10
Speaker 4: like a productive thing, then I'm like, let's sit down,
32:14
Speaker 4: let's get some wine or cheese and let's go. Let
32:17
Speaker 4: me tell me something, you know, like, and I really
32:19
Speaker 4: also appreciate that. Like I was sitting with this one
32:21
Speaker 4: producer as well. And he also told me that he
32:24
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily like few things as well. And he was
32:26
Speaker 4: super honest and super sweet about it. And I was like, okay,
32:28
Speaker 4: it's like, then the next thing or the next, the
32:31
Speaker 4: next song could be done. this way or that way technically,
32:34
Speaker 4: for example, but also I wouldn't really change anything I
32:37
Speaker 4: do because this just comes from me and it's, you know,
32:40
Speaker 4: I just want to let it go and let it out.
32:42
Speaker 4: I don't really think in this technical stuff because I
32:44
Speaker 4: know a lot of people are very technical about melodies
32:47
Speaker 4: and syllables and the verse and the chorus and it's
32:49
Speaker 4: good to do that, but I just kind of am
32:52
Speaker 4: guided by like my own head and just how I feel.
32:55
Speaker 4: I don't want to think in like, oh, what would
32:59
Speaker 4: people want to hear or what would be the next trend?
33:01
Speaker 4: How the fuck no. I'm sorry for cursing. I'm a person.
33:06
Speaker 4: I just want to let it out. And just kind
33:08
Speaker 4: of like, for example, only at my first release, there's
33:11
Speaker 4: like a, like I wrote, trust yourself and never, ever
33:14
Speaker 4: let somebody else dictate the way you shine. Every room
33:17
Speaker 4: you step ahead, your golden boots and the redhead scream
33:20
Speaker 4: your name. And I just wrote that because I needed
33:22
Speaker 4: that advice. I needed somebody to tell me that. And
33:25
Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily thinking, okay, I want people to hear it. No,
33:27
Speaker 4: I was like, I need that advice. No one's going
33:30
Speaker 4: to give me that. anybody. So I need to just
33:33
Speaker 4: write it. So I wouldn't necessarily, um, ask anybody for
33:36
Speaker 4: any advice anymore and how they really feel. I'm just
33:38
Speaker 4: glad that people listen to it and they like it.
33:40
Speaker 4: And if they don't, I'm also very, uh, happy to
33:43
Speaker 4: hear what they didn't like or what they like, but yeah,
33:45
Speaker 4: I just need to let it out and not listen
33:47
Speaker 4: to anybody because you're.
33:56
Speaker 2: And just, like, in general, a creative person, because I
33:58
Speaker 2: imagine it's quite hard to shut your brain off because
34:02
Speaker 2: there's so much going on all the time. I think
34:05
Speaker 2: you strike me as somebody who's very aware of their
34:08
Speaker 2: surroundings at all times and is constantly looking and being
34:12
Speaker 2: inspired by everything around yourself and in your environment, wherever
34:17
Speaker 2: you go, whatever you see.
34:19
Speaker 3: You strike me as very much as such a creative.
34:24
Speaker 3: But also... it's.
34:25
Speaker 2: Very easy, I think, when you're like that, to get
34:29
Speaker 2: very hard to get it out and hard to, you know,
34:34
Speaker 2: think about the right ways in which to get this output,
34:38
Speaker 2: to output these feelings, right? How do you stay so
34:41
Speaker 2: motivated and avoid being burnt out by creativity and kind
34:45
Speaker 2: of getting bogged down and burdened by it?
34:48
Speaker 3: How do you expel these feelings?
34:50
Speaker 4: So I basically feel... incredibly blessed because I'm I don't
34:56
Speaker 4: want to call it motivated because I don't feel like
34:58
Speaker 4: I'm motivated I'm just very hungry I've always been very
35:01
Speaker 4: hungry and I've always I really really want to do
35:03
Speaker 4: that and because people in Poland and in Warsaw would
35:07
Speaker 4: always tell me like you know like this is not
35:09
Speaker 4: possible you shouldn't be craving something that it's impossible you
35:13
Speaker 4: cannot do it and I was like you know what
35:15
Speaker 4: this is crazy like it would always fuel me and
35:18
Speaker 4: but also since I was 16 I always had this
35:20
Speaker 4: like feeling like I'm here for a reason I have
35:23
Speaker 4: this energy and there's something inside of me that is
35:25
Speaker 4: pushing me every day that wakes me up every day
35:28
Speaker 4: and I always constantly think about music and making music
35:31
Speaker 4: and writing stuff and Being consistent is the most important
35:34
Speaker 4: thing on earth for me. And even if I don't
35:37
Speaker 4: feel I'm sick, I'm tired, I don't, I just tell myself,
35:40
Speaker 4: I'm not tired. I'm not sick. I'm just going to
35:42
Speaker 4: write a word. I'm going to write a title. I'm
35:44
Speaker 4: going to open the mood board. I'm going to put
35:46
Speaker 4: a picture. I'm always going to do something that will
35:49
Speaker 4: keeps me, you know, keeps me one step ahead that
35:54
Speaker 4: I know that I did something. And it's just very
35:57
Speaker 4: natural to me. And it feels like some sort of,
35:59
Speaker 4: Lifestyle at this point because I just wake up. I
36:02
Speaker 4: eat my breakfast. I take a shower I exercise and
36:04
Speaker 4: then boom i'm gonna write a little song i'm gonna
36:07
Speaker 4: write something and i'm always inspired by something and there's
36:10
Speaker 4: like so many Opportunities and so many pieces art pieces,
36:15
Speaker 4: um fashion shows There's so many fucked up things happening
36:18
Speaker 4: in your life. Then you're like, you know what? I
36:21
Speaker 4: need to write it down how I feel so i'm
36:23
Speaker 4: always in this zone of like, I need to go,
36:25
Speaker 4: I need to go, I need to go. The time
36:27
Speaker 4: is clicking as well. I'm not going to get any younger,
36:29
Speaker 4: even though I feel sexy, beautiful. I know who I am.
36:32
Speaker 4: I know what I'm doing, but still, I know that
36:36
Speaker 4: the time is clicking and I won't be here forever.
36:38
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm giving 50, 60 years and that's that. So
36:41
Speaker 4: when you think of it like this, then you don't
36:43
Speaker 4: have much time. It's 60 summers. It's 60 winters or
36:47
Speaker 4: 70 winters. I pray as much as possible, but you know,
36:51
Speaker 4: I don't have that much time. So I need to
36:53
Speaker 4: just let it all go and continue every day of
36:56
Speaker 4: pursuing it, doing it every day. Even if it's a
36:58
Speaker 4: small thing, even if somebody is starting out or they're
37:00
Speaker 4: like blocked, write something horrendous or write something beautiful and
37:04
Speaker 4: just say it. Like I write something stupid and then
37:07
Speaker 4: you can make something good out of it or make
37:09
Speaker 4: a song about eggs or about, about a tree. And
37:12
Speaker 4: then you will find something good in that as well.
37:14
Speaker 4: So you cannot stop. You have to just continue every day.
37:17
Speaker 4: It's like a prayer or it's like, It's like your
37:21
Speaker 4: everyday thing like exercising or stretching or eating. For me,
37:25
Speaker 4: it's like breathing and eating. It's like a part of
37:27
Speaker 4: my routine, part of my life. And if I stop,
37:29
Speaker 4: I will never do it ever again because you cannot stop.
37:32
Speaker 4: And when you get so, I don't want to say obsessed,
37:34
Speaker 4: but when you're so hungry and obsessed and you have
37:36
Speaker 4: this excitement for it, it's like some sort of addiction
37:39
Speaker 4: you want to get. And the more you release, the
37:41
Speaker 4: more you make it, the more CDs you make, the more...
37:45
Speaker 4: things you release you're like oh my god I'm capable
37:47
Speaker 4: you kind of start having the superpowers of like I
37:50
Speaker 4: can do it I'm this person and it's working so
37:53
Speaker 4: it only fuels me and I don't I don't have
37:55
Speaker 4: that motivation sometimes I'm like fuck it but then I'm
37:57
Speaker 4: gonna still continue writing or or sending like a demo
38:01
Speaker 4: to a producer or a friend or and I'll try
38:03
Speaker 4: to still keep on going because you cannot really stop
38:05
Speaker 4: and if you want to stop you can but you
38:08
Speaker 4: know for me it's just like a part of everyday
38:11
Speaker 4: thing right now. Maybe that's unhealthy because my personal life
38:14
Speaker 4: doesn't really exist, but still we are on the, this
38:17
Speaker 4: is like a rodeo we're on and this is what
38:19
Speaker 4: we're going to do. So yeah. Yeah.
38:23
Speaker 2: Um, I couldn't agree more. It's, it's, it's like a mantra.
38:27
Speaker 2: I think it's like some days I have days where,
38:30
Speaker 2: you know, I get up and I struggle to get
38:31
Speaker 2: stuff done. But then other days I wake.
38:33
Speaker 3: Up and I'm just absolutely fueled.
38:35
Speaker 2: And a lot of it is through stuff like this,
38:38
Speaker 2: you know, being inspired by other people. I mean, there's
38:40
Speaker 2: stuff from this interview that I'll take forward with me
38:43
Speaker 2: probably forever, because it's it's really it's just wonderful to
38:47
Speaker 2: sit with somebody who's so inspired and so switched on.
38:50
Speaker 2: and just really understands themselves. And, you know, just, yeah,
38:55
Speaker 2: it's really incredible at such an early stage. And because
39:00
Speaker 2: we're still at such an early stage, what do you
39:03
Speaker 2: envision you'll do in the future? And I know you
39:07
Speaker 2: just said it's kind of just, it's a daily thing.
39:10
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of it can be quite unknown.
39:13
Speaker 2: But what are your goals and what are your ambitions,
39:16
Speaker 2: like musically?
39:18
Speaker 3: Do you hope to have?
39:19
Speaker 2: Albums that kind of stretch over a period of time
39:22
Speaker 2: that are different to each other, you know, cover different influences,
39:25
Speaker 2: different styles? Or um do you kind of want to
39:28
Speaker 2: find a set style or a set genre something that
39:31
Speaker 2: you become known for for doing and your audience gets
39:34
Speaker 2: comfortable with how do you envision this progression of your
39:38
Speaker 2: artistry will kind of pan out i know that's a
39:40
Speaker 2: very difficult question it's very difficult um how do you
39:44
Speaker 2: how do you think.
39:46
Speaker 4: I think that I just have to continue making music
39:49
Speaker 4: and then we will see because I don't think I
39:51
Speaker 4: have a I'm still looking for my sound but I
39:53
Speaker 4: also don't want to put myself in a box I
39:54
Speaker 4: love jazz I love hip-hop I love you know I
40:00
Speaker 4: don't know so many different genres as well and I
40:02
Speaker 4: love the 90s and I know that all of those
40:10
Speaker 4: time pieces have like different feeling and vibe and it's
40:14
Speaker 4: all so different but I I don't really want to
40:16
Speaker 4: put myself in any box. I just want to continue
40:19
Speaker 4: on making songs and let it out. And then we
40:22
Speaker 4: will see. But for sure, I would love to do
40:23
Speaker 4: like a Christmas album and I would love to do
40:25
Speaker 4: a jazz album and go crazy with it and just
40:28
Speaker 4: not shovel myself like, OK, because my music sounds like
40:31
Speaker 4: from 2000s or like this song. I don't want anything
40:34
Speaker 4: to ever define me, my hair color, the way I look,
40:37
Speaker 4: the way I sound. Maybe that's bad. Because, of course,
40:41
Speaker 4: if you want to be a bigger artist, you have
40:43
Speaker 4: to have some sort of style or genre that will
40:45
Speaker 4: define you so people can go crazy over you. But
40:48
Speaker 4: I would rather stick to being authentic and just try
40:50
Speaker 4: to always experiment a little bit and don't shovel myself
40:53
Speaker 4: into this. Like, I need to be this one thing.
40:55
Speaker 4: Hells to hell no. I don't ever want to be that.
40:58
Speaker 4: And I would love to just continue discovering that, experimenting
41:02
Speaker 4: as much as I can. And also, it depends on
41:04
Speaker 4: the budget, on the production. I would love to do, like,
41:06
Speaker 4: a live orchestra album one day, have, like, insane... orchestra
41:11
Speaker 4: with me that would be like the biggest dream of
41:12
Speaker 4: mine but of course I need the coin I need
41:15
Speaker 4: the money I need the money everybody so so I'm
41:20
Speaker 4: also just thinking from like a reality perspective like if
41:24
Speaker 4: you know you need to have the money for doing
41:26
Speaker 4: a proper album and proper genre so for now I'm
41:29
Speaker 4: just trying to do the pop thing and I'm enjoying
41:31
Speaker 4: it but if I would have all the money in
41:33
Speaker 4: the world we are doing the Christmas song we're doing
41:35
Speaker 4: the orchestra album and I have so many cool ideas
41:40
Speaker 4: but um i'm manifesting it i know what's gonna happen
41:43
Speaker 4: and everything is in my head and i want to
41:45
Speaker 4: play stadiums and i would love to play festivals but
41:48
Speaker 4: for now i'm just building it building slowly slowly building
41:51
Speaker 4: it and i feel like that's the proper way to
41:52
Speaker 4: do it to not go crazy and maybe it'll happen
41:55
Speaker 4: one day and if not then i'm sticking to my
41:58
Speaker 4: artistry and to my own schedule and of course i
42:01
Speaker 4: would want things to be faster and better but The
42:04
Speaker 4: most important thing is like you are doing what you
42:06
Speaker 4: want and you have your own vision and no one
42:09
Speaker 4: is standing behind me. Like you have to speak a
42:12
Speaker 4: certain way and you have to look a certain way
42:13
Speaker 4: because I would go crazy. So as long as I'm
42:18
Speaker 4: just producing and making stuff and I can release stuff
42:20
Speaker 4: so people can actually listen to it, then that's like
42:22
Speaker 4: the dream of mine. And the biggest dream is just
42:24
Speaker 4: to be able to make music for the rest of
42:25
Speaker 4: my life. That's the biggest dream. And of course I
42:28
Speaker 4: would love to have those big things, but I think
42:30
Speaker 4: the most important things are like those small things. So
42:32
Speaker 4: being able to, eat well, exercise and do music with
42:36
Speaker 4: people that actually see me for who I am and
42:38
Speaker 4: as an artist. It's great to have those big things,
42:41
Speaker 4: but they don't really matter that much to me. I
42:43
Speaker 4: want to have a healthy family, be healthy and just
42:46
Speaker 4: continue on making music. I had this talk with this
42:49
Speaker 4: one with this firm or the studio like two months ago.
42:52
Speaker 4: And they're like, what do you want to be? Who
42:55
Speaker 4: you want to become? Who you want to be in
42:56
Speaker 4: the music industry? And I was like, I just want
42:57
Speaker 4: to be in it. I just want to continue to
43:00
Speaker 4: exist in it. And that's like the biggest dream of mine.
43:02
Speaker 4: They're like, but you can always do it. I'm like, no,
43:04
Speaker 4: but I want to pursue it and I want to
43:06
Speaker 4: be in it and I want to be happy doing it.
43:07
Speaker 4: And I don't want to feel like I'm carrying a cross.
43:10
Speaker 4: that I'm like dying every day doing something that I hate.
43:12
Speaker 4: I just want to enjoy myself and I want to
43:15
Speaker 4: do music that I want to listen to and that
43:16
Speaker 4: I'm proud of. And they were very disappointed. They wanted
43:19
Speaker 4: me to say like, I want to sell out like
43:21
Speaker 4: copies of this and have followers. Like it's good to
43:24
Speaker 4: have some sort of people that support you and it's great.
43:27
Speaker 4: But as long as you're happy, healthy, and you can
43:29
Speaker 4: do what you really want and stick to your vision,
43:31
Speaker 4: that's it for me. That's the biggest blessing. And I'm
43:33
Speaker 4: praying that it's going to happen and I'm sure it
43:36
Speaker 4: will take some time, but that's the most important thing
43:38
Speaker 4: on earth. Yeah. Yeah.
43:40
Speaker 3: Um, brilliant answer. Um, absolutely wonderful answer. Um, so much detail. Um,
43:45
Speaker 3: and I love to hear it.
43:47
Speaker 2: Um, I, um, I think you answered that, um, the,
43:50
Speaker 2: that firm, the right answer, you know, I'd rather have someone,
43:54
Speaker 2: you know, in reality and kind of really comfortable being
43:58
Speaker 2: themselves and just understanding that a lot of this processes are,
44:02
Speaker 2: and it takes time. Um, I think what's important to remember,
44:05
Speaker 2: especially a lot with the industry, it's about money and
44:09
Speaker 2: it's about how they can, how they can kind of, um,
44:12
Speaker 2: turn the profit and, you know, and this and that,
44:15
Speaker 2: how they can maximize their, their, um, investment.
44:19
Speaker 3: Um, and I'm not about that. I don't like that.
44:22
Speaker 2: I'm much preferred the artistic side because a lot of
44:24
Speaker 2: it takes time. Um, and a lot of it takes years.
44:27
Speaker 2: It takes years to develop, um, and master a lot
44:30
Speaker 2: of these areas. So, Yeah, I think I think that's
44:34
Speaker 2: the perfect answer. I'm going to hit you with my
44:36
Speaker 2: last question, Gia. And it's probably the most reflective. And
44:41
Speaker 2: it could be to do with life or it could
44:43
Speaker 2: be to do with music or just just anything in
44:46
Speaker 2: general that strikes out to you as that moment. But
44:50
Speaker 2: what would you say is your proudest moment so far?
44:55
Speaker 4: I think we spoke about it, but I think the
44:57
Speaker 4: proudest moment so far has been releasing the physical copies
45:02
Speaker 4: of the EP Soundprint on CD and on vinyl because
45:06
Speaker 4: it's just, it made me realize that how powerful my
45:09
Speaker 4: mind is and how just a small idea can turn
45:12
Speaker 4: into something so big and probably continuing because it's very hard.
45:18
Speaker 4: It's very easy to start and it's very easy to
45:20
Speaker 4: finish things. But also just every day when you wake
45:24
Speaker 4: up and you know that it's not going to be hard,
45:25
Speaker 4: you can give your 100, 200% of yourself and nothing
45:29
Speaker 4: is going to change or nothing is happening. But being
45:32
Speaker 4: able to continue, being able to not give up, not
45:35
Speaker 4: listening to anybody who is trying to tell you they
45:38
Speaker 4: should stop or you should do something different. So staying
45:40
Speaker 4: true to yourself, getting... getting like ready mentally for yourself
45:50
Speaker 4: only when it comes to art and life as well.
45:52
Speaker 4: Just like doing everything for your own pleasure and benefit,
45:55
Speaker 4: like exercising, working out, listening to music that you want
45:58
Speaker 4: to listen to, not really following the trends, trying to
46:01
Speaker 4: get inside of yourself to realize what you really want
46:04
Speaker 4: to do, who you want to be. So like the
46:07
Speaker 4: proudest moment so far for sure is the CDs, vinyl and,
46:10
Speaker 4: continuing releasing those pieces and just trying to dig deeper
46:14
Speaker 4: into myself rather than escaping myself I think that's the
46:16
Speaker 4: most important thing not being scared of like good and
46:19
Speaker 4: bad stuff just taking it all in and being like,
46:22
Speaker 4: you know, this is who I am. This is what
46:23
Speaker 4: I'm going to do. And I don't know what's going
46:24
Speaker 4: to happen. And I will, there's this saying, like, I will, um,
46:29
Speaker 4: I will try or, or die trying something like this.
46:33
Speaker 4: And I feel like exactly like, this is what you're
46:35
Speaker 4: going to do. You have to try. And if you're
46:37
Speaker 4: going to die trying, at least you tried because I
46:39
Speaker 4: don't want to be like 80 or 90 being like,
46:41
Speaker 4: I wasted my life. I wasted everything because I was
46:44
Speaker 4: so scared. And I'm scared as shit to everybody out there.
46:47
Speaker 4: I'm scared. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm panicking
46:50
Speaker 4: all the time. I need to tap myself. I go
46:52
Speaker 4: to physiotherapy. I work out. I need to meditate. I'm
46:55
Speaker 4: still scared, but you have to do it scared. You
46:56
Speaker 4: have to do it scared. You have to do it alone.
46:58
Speaker 4: You have to, it's good to have, like, I have
47:00
Speaker 4: a good, uh, supporting system. And I think that's also
47:03
Speaker 4: the most important thing in your life. And the proudest
47:05
Speaker 4: moment that I have a good supporting system. My family
47:07
Speaker 4: is supportive. My brother, my grandma, my friends, everyone is
47:10
Speaker 4: very supportive, but still you need to focus on yourself.
47:13
Speaker 4: and be really digging inside of yourself. And then that's
47:17
Speaker 4: the sauce. That's the secret sauce, really. Brilliant.
47:21
Speaker 3: You have so much to be proud of.
47:23
Speaker 2: I think it's, I think the physical side is just, it's,
47:27
Speaker 2: I think it's a massively defining moment for you because
47:29
Speaker 2: I think it really shows you as an artist, the
47:32
Speaker 2: potential and it kind of feeds that hunger. which I
47:37
Speaker 2: really like the sound of artistically. And I'm really happy
47:42
Speaker 2: that you have such an amazing team around you that
47:45
Speaker 2: can really understand you and understand your vision and where
47:48
Speaker 2: you want to go, because there's nothing worse than having
47:51
Speaker 2: somebody suppress you and not allowing you to express yourself.
47:56
Speaker 2: Labels are really notorious for doing that. Industry people, if
48:02
Speaker 2: you run into somebody who's going to suppress you, no good.
48:05
Speaker 2: so um it's really good that you have that um
48:08
Speaker 2: team around you um where you can express yourself in
48:12
Speaker 2: every single way that you want to whether it be
48:15
Speaker 2: stylistically um fashion or music um is there anything you.
48:20
Speaker 4: Advise for it as well it's not gonna be given
48:22
Speaker 4: to you just gotta stand on your ideas and even
48:24
Speaker 4: if you look dumb or you feel stupid you have
48:26
Speaker 4: to really stand on it and yeah it's gonna get.
48:31
Speaker 2: I could not agree more. I could not agree more.
48:34
Speaker 2: It's a daily thing, as you say. It's a daily thing.
48:37
Speaker 3: Is there anything.
48:40
Speaker 2: For the future that you want to throw in, maybe
48:42
Speaker 2: a date or anything like that, if you have anything
48:45
Speaker 2: in the works that you kind of just want to
48:47
Speaker 2: add in at the end, if there's anything your audience
48:49
Speaker 2: can be expecting?
48:51
Speaker 3: Or is this a comfortable period where you're.
48:54
Speaker 2: Working on the next thing and just waiting and really
48:57
Speaker 2: letting the EP sit with people for a bit?
49:01
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm working on a new album and I'm just,
49:03
Speaker 4: you know, it's all about the budget timing and my
49:06
Speaker 4: work and working with incredible producers. So it's all about
49:09
Speaker 4: how are we going to make it work? And we're
49:12
Speaker 4: working on it. I just finished this song, Live My Life,
49:15
Speaker 4: which you heard on TikTok. And I really love it.
49:18
Speaker 4: I don't know when I'm going to release it and
49:19
Speaker 4: if it's going to be released. going to be the
49:20
Speaker 4: first release of the new piece and I don't know
49:23
Speaker 4: what's going to be the timing for sure. I'm planning
49:25
Speaker 4: on releasing new music this year, maybe in two months,
49:28
Speaker 4: maybe in three months, maybe in four months. I really
49:30
Speaker 4: want to do it as fast as possible, but I
49:32
Speaker 4: also want to do it properly and I want to
49:34
Speaker 4: have like a proper release. I don't want to just
49:37
Speaker 4: throw things out there because it doesn't make sense. But, um,
49:41
Speaker 4: and I did this song called dance with me, which
49:43
Speaker 4: I really, really, really love. I don't know if that's
49:44
Speaker 4: going to be the final title, but two or three
49:47
Speaker 4: songs are already ready, but I need to come up
49:51
Speaker 4: with like artistic covers. I need to come up with, um,
49:55
Speaker 4: you know, with, uh, with, uh, I need to just
49:58
Speaker 4: make it work. It has to be, I don't want
50:00
Speaker 4: to say perfect, but it has to be, polished it
50:02
Speaker 4: has to be incredibly done and it's already i really
50:05
Speaker 4: enjoyed and i really like it so i cannot give
50:06
Speaker 4: you a proper date but expect expect something soon i
50:10
Speaker 4: pray and i will try to make it as fast
50:11
Speaker 4: as possible but it all depends on on the artwork
50:17
Speaker 4: and the mixing and mastering and and the quote in
50:20
Speaker 4: the morning so the most important thing i mean it's
50:25
Speaker 4: not but yeah in the music industry you need to
50:27
Speaker 4: have money to make it work a little bit so
50:29
Speaker 4: i'm working my ass off to make it happen And yeah,
50:32
Speaker 4: but soon, faster than later, for sure. Sooner than later.
50:36
Speaker 4: And this year, this year, new music and the album
50:39
Speaker 4: may be the end, the beginning of new year. So
50:41
Speaker 4: and I know I'm going to love it. I'm manifesting it.
50:43
Speaker 4: The new music is going to be great. And I
50:45
Speaker 4: hope we'll love it. And you're going to you're going
50:47
Speaker 4: to get a copy as well.