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POTB 533: Ryan Corazza joins to talk Indiana’s open practice, program philosophy and recent roster additions · Podcast on the Brink

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to a new episode of Podcasts on the
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  Speaker 1: Brink Friday, August first. Ryan Cross of Inside the Hall
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  Speaker 1: this week's guest on Podcast on the Brink. Quickly, before
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  Speaker 1: we get to Ryan, I just wanted to ask, if
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  Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks as Indiana prepares for
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  Speaker 1: its trip down to Puerto Rico to play three exhibition games.
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  Speaker 1: Just had an open practice in Bloomington, and Ryan, welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the show. It's been a while since the spring. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the roster has come more into focus in terms of
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  Speaker 1: having now thirteen scholarship guys. With the two late editions,
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  Speaker 1: we've got some resolution on Anthony Leal and Luke Goody.
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  Speaker 1: But wanted to start off with just the idea that
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  Speaker 1: that Indiana Basketball opened its doors to the media earlier
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  Speaker 1: this week for a practice in Bloomington. I believe it's
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  Speaker 1: the first time that we've had an open practice at
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  Speaker 1: IU since the Tom creen, Era didn't have one in
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  Speaker 1: Archie Miller, Era didn't have one under Mike Woodson. Good
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for the media that was there to get a
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  Speaker 1: chance to just kind of get a sense for what
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  Speaker 1: they're working on, what a practice looks like, the organization,
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  Speaker 1: which I wrote about on Inside the Hall. But Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: you've had a chance to read what I wrote, read
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  Speaker 1: some of the other coverage from around the Beat, and
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  Speaker 1: just your big picture of thoughts on the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we're getting for the first time in a long time,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of a glimpse behind the scenes of IU basketball,
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  Speaker 1: and I think with all of the turnover, the new
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff, completely new roster, the opportunity to followly see
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  Speaker 1: practice but talk to all these players, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: been a really positive thing just in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: fan base getting a little bit more familiar with this team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think big picture wise with it all to me,
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  Speaker 2: it goes back to when Dolson was looking for the
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  Speaker 2: next coach and what he said in that initial press conference,
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  Speaker 2: and I think what he's gotten in some sense with
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  Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti is that CEO type And so when I
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  Speaker 2: look at what's going on this summer with the program,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not to say older regimes haven't put stuff
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  Speaker 2: out on social media, but I think between some of
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  Speaker 2: the social media clips in practice actually inviting team in
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  Speaker 2: our media and rather to view the team. I think
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  Speaker 2: when you think about that role, you know, whether I
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  Speaker 2: guess people like it or not. I mean the Indiana coach,
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  Speaker 2: and I think a CEO type is got to be
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  Speaker 2: communicator and it's got to be a marketer. And so
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  Speaker 2: I think that his ability to kind of bring everybody
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  Speaker 2: in and like show off the product. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: talked about it a little bit in his initial press
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  Speaker 2: conference when he was initially hired. And now the doors
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  Speaker 2: are actually open for people to see that high energy,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of chatter going on, and you know him
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  Speaker 2: talking about if there are days when some kids are
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  Speaker 2: a little bit lower because everybody else has such high intensity,
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  Speaker 2: has such high energy in the time that they have
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  Speaker 2: that can kind of pick everybody up. And yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: about you know, being a CEO is like giving confidence
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  Speaker 2: to Wall Street, giving confidence that the product that you're
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  Speaker 2: selling in the direction that you're heading is is good
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  Speaker 2: on its right and it's the it's the right decision,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak. And I think looking at it from
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  Speaker 2: that framework, I think is an interesting way to sort
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  Speaker 2: of look at the decisions that have been made thus
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  Speaker 2: far with how things are being communicated and marketed, and
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  Speaker 2: but I think beyond that, it's a good kind of
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  Speaker 2: glimpse into a brand new rock and frankly, unlike almost
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  Speaker 2: any other time, maybe I guess a little bit the
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  Speaker 2: very early time Green days, where things were quite different,
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  Speaker 2: this is the first time in sort of this new
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  Speaker 2: era as well. Something he's comfortable with doing because he
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  Speaker 2: did it last year at West Virginia to pretty great success.
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  Speaker 2: But this is such a new team that there's also
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  Speaker 2: I think more of a hunger maybe at this point
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  Speaker 2: in the season to know what's who the hell these
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  Speaker 2: guys are I guess, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's kind of the feedback I've gotten
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  Speaker 1: from some of the fan base that's responded to some
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  Speaker 1: of the videos and things on social media is just
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  Speaker 1: people trying to put a face with a name and
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  Speaker 1: get familiar. I think the interviews, having a chance to
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  Speaker 1: talk to these guys one on one was very helpful
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  Speaker 1: for us getting to know a little bit about each guy, because,
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  Speaker 1: as you meant, I mean, these are all these guys
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  Speaker 1: are all brand new to the program and from the
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  Speaker 1: practice specifically. You know, I can't claim to be someone
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  Speaker 1: that's watched ton of college basketball practices. I do remember
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  Speaker 1: going to a Tom Crean practice that was two and
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  Speaker 1: a half to three hours long and thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 1: I really wanted to come see practice, and about after
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  Speaker 1: about seventy five minutes, I was like, we still have
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  Speaker 1: another hour and a half to go. This is getting long.
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  Speaker 1: So I was appreciative of the fact that we got
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  Speaker 1: a look inside the other day, but it was just
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  Speaker 1: an hour long. But to me, the thing that was
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  Speaker 1: most impressive was just the organization and how things moved
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  Speaker 1: within the practice. They came just to kind of give
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  Speaker 1: everyone a brief overview of what it was like. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they come in and the strengthen conditioning coaches out there
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  Speaker 1: with his bow and as a whistle, which I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing. Now we've had that with Lionel Anderson,
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  Speaker 1: going back to the Green era, Cliff Marshall, Ryan Horne
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  Speaker 1: the strengthen conditioning coach now kind of the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting the energy in the building, but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of communication between the players as they're going through stretching.
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  Speaker 1: There was a loud music playing, but you can kind
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  Speaker 1: of tell like it's a very scripted type of practice,
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  Speaker 1: like they're gonna do the same thing to get loose
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  Speaker 1: and get ready to go. But then once practice started,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of emphasis on doing things at
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  Speaker 1: game speed and repetition, doing things that were actually like
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  Speaker 1: translate to a game, not just basic drills. So there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of pace, a lot of energy, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of communication, a lot of guys talking. The coaches
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  Speaker 1: were constantly pointing things out, not in a negative way,
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  Speaker 1: but just kind of giving feedback on letting guys know,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, maybe a little go a little bit
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  Speaker 1: harder this way, or you missed this small detail. But
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  Speaker 1: it was there was no time when anyone was not
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  Speaker 1: in movement. That really impressed me, and by the end
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  Speaker 1: you could tell guys were fatigued. I mean there was
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  Speaker 1: short breaks in between drills for like like water, but
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  Speaker 1: it was really short, like like a minute long, and
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  Speaker 1: the guys were talking and constantly, and to me, that
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  Speaker 1: was the most impressive thing was just the pace and
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  Speaker 1: the energy that was in there. And if they're doing
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  Speaker 1: that every day, that's a lot of work that they're
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  Speaker 1: putting in and I was. I talked to somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: been around the program for quite a while and ask
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  Speaker 1: them how it compares to Mike Woodson practice. And again
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  Speaker 1: this is not to disparage that regime or in any way,
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  Speaker 1: but just a completely different way of doing things in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the organization and the pace of everything. So
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  Speaker 1: to me, you know, what's the old saying is like
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  Speaker 1: you play how you practice. If that's if there's any
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  Speaker 1: translation to that, you can definitely tell that this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a team that's going to be very prepared.
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  Speaker 1: And I just like the organization in the structure. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like there's somebody in charge that really knows what
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  Speaker 1: they're doing in terms of what they're working on on
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  Speaker 1: a day to day basis. That really stood out for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look.
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  Speaker 2: Mentioned the Woodson regime there, but I think we're still
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  Speaker 2: in that period where it's kind of impossible not to
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  Speaker 2: compare it back, right, So I think to that end,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things that stood out there.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's kind of a that that theory of opposites.
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  Speaker 2: I think last time I came on maybe I briefly
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  Speaker 2: touched on and it's from Exus and Joe's Mike Weemouth
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  Speaker 2: weymouth weymouth, you know, not the only pronunciation I'll probably
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  Speaker 2: mess up today. But but he he talked about this
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  Speaker 2: right that in looking for the next coach, sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: look very differently than what you had in the past,
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  Speaker 2: from the past coach to kind of just set a
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  Speaker 2: new path there, so to speak.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that a couple things with him.
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  Speaker 2: One is you you mentioned him at the top here,
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  Speaker 2: that's Nick Ryan Horn rather strength and conditioning coach.
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  Speaker 3: He was with him at Drake.
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  Speaker 2: He came with in the West Virginia and he is
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  Speaker 2: now in Indiana. And he talked about in the press
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  Speaker 2: conference this idea that he knows what I do. I
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  Speaker 2: know what he does. If I put one day, he'll
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  Speaker 2: tailor it back and vice versa. If he pushes, I
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  Speaker 2: know that I can kind of tailor it back one day.
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  Speaker 2: And there's kind of a symbiosis and a longer held
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  Speaker 2: relationship there where you look back to woods End, he
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  Speaker 2: inherited Cliff Marshall.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing against him. I know the kids really liked him.
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  Speaker 2: And for a staff that maybe especially at the head
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  Speaker 2: of the staff, didn't bring a lot of energy, he
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  Speaker 2: certainly was the one doing it, but it was just
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  Speaker 2: somebody that was there, and you know, maybe they had
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  Speaker 2: a conversation. Not that I know the intimate details of
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  Speaker 2: by Cliffe Marshall stuck around for the Woodson era, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that kind of shows the difference. That there's
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  Speaker 2: something too with Devriesa and Horn where they have this
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  Speaker 2: relationship and he has, you know, a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: long relationship there.
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  Speaker 3: I would also say too, another thing that stuck stuck
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  Speaker 3: out to me in this regard was he is meant
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  Speaker 3: he mentioned that the defense is behind the offense now,
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  Speaker 3: but that as they keep going along here for their
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  Speaker 3: ball stream coverages, using the term we as like as
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  Speaker 3: a staff but also as the players, we're gonna keep going.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to find out what works best for our
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  Speaker 3: personnel and what we feel most comfortable with, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that may need to change here and there. But I
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  Speaker 3: think that's such a different philosophy than Woodson, who you know,
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  Speaker 3: at times said Nail slot Rim, this is what we do.
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  Speaker 3: We're never getting away from it.
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  Speaker 2: Even if the personnel that they had, they didn't really
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  Speaker 2: have these long rangy athletes to be able to help
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  Speaker 2: one pass away and get back to the ball and
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  Speaker 2: so sometimes when I say this is like feels a
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  Speaker 2: little like common sense. You take what you have and
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  Speaker 2: you make the best of it. But it's another one
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  Speaker 2: of these where the bar is sort of at for
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  Speaker 2: overall philosophy and the program and really two he just
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  Speaker 2: hearing him speak, he has such like a familiarity with
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  Speaker 2: like the seasons of college basketball, like what the summer
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  Speaker 2: is in college basketball, and what you have to throw,
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  Speaker 2: especially at a new group. All this stuff kind of
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  Speaker 2: rapid fire, and they got to kind of pick it
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  Speaker 2: up as they go.
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  Speaker 3: And he just.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's been a college coach for so long, I
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  Speaker 2: think one of this stuff is such an ingrained second
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  Speaker 2: nature how he goes about everything, and he knows the
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  Speaker 2: calendar very well. Well, again, if you have somebody kind
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  Speaker 2: of coming in from the NBA ranks that at this
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  Speaker 2: time of the year is maybe not used to having
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  Speaker 2: to do anything right because it's this is kind of
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  Speaker 2: the very very dead period of an NBA calendar with
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess some leagues wrapped at this point,
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  Speaker 2: and not that head coaches are super involved there, but you.
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  Speaker 3: Get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that those things have really stuck out
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  Speaker 2: to me just in terms of again really really knowing
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  Speaker 2: what your philosophy is, how you want to play, how
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  Speaker 2: you run a program. That's coming across very very clear
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  Speaker 2: to me and very naturally out of him in a
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  Speaker 2: way that I think does contrast with Woodson.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's grinded his way through the ranks
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  Speaker 1: of college basketball. He was a long time assistant coach
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  Speaker 1: at Creyton and really had to wait for his time
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  Speaker 1: to become a head coach. So it's not surprising that
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  Speaker 1: he kind of understands the role of what everyone in
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  Speaker 1: the gym should be doing because he was in some
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  Speaker 1: of those roles that other guys on his staff are in,
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  Speaker 1: and something that really resonated with what you just said,
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  Speaker 1: like talking about we have to do everything. Just again,
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  Speaker 1: not to harp on the woods in Earo, but it
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  Speaker 1: was always in the press conferences, I got to get
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  Speaker 1: these guys to do this. I got to get these
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  Speaker 1: guys to figure this out. It never felt like it
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  Speaker 1: was a whole staff approach, and I got the sense
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  Speaker 1: that just the community of how this program is being run,
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  Speaker 1: just watching that practice for an hour, everyone has a role.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone in the gym is doing something there's not someone
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  Speaker 1: just standing there. From student managers to the person running
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  Speaker 1: the clock getting it to the next drill, to the
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  Speaker 1: guys who are in there as practice players that are
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  Speaker 1: doing different things. Everyone is in alignment with what's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be going on. And that's one thing that really
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  Speaker 1: stood out in terms of the organization. Now, from what
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  Speaker 1: I actually saw from a basketball perspective, you mentioned the
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  Speaker 1: offense being far ahead of the defense. Are ahead of
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  Speaker 1: the defense? I would say the offense is very ahead
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  Speaker 1: of the defense right now. The last fifteen minutes or
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  Speaker 1: so of practice, there was a long sequence where there
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  Speaker 1: was Josh Harris, Ian Stevens, who's a walk on, and
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  Speaker 1: three other guys who aren't even on the team that
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  Speaker 1: were going on offense against the first team defense, and
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  Speaker 1: there was several possessions in a row where they got
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  Speaker 1: favorable looks and scored and you know, they had the
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  Speaker 1: first team had to run back and forth. You could
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  Speaker 1: tell Devies was a little bit annoyed by that, but
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  Speaker 1: again it's the end of a practice, so that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of when you want to work on these things from
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  Speaker 1: a defensive perspective. So the other thing is they brought
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  Speaker 1: in a ton of guys who have a really strong
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  Speaker 1: offensive reputation read Bailey, Lamar Wilkerson, tayt and Connorway obviously
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  Speaker 1: known a little bit more for his defense, but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys with different skills offensively, So it shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be particulous surprising that that would translate quicker than learning
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  Speaker 1: for a brand new defensive system for a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these guys, some pack line principles. There was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of emphasis on positioning and rotating and getting out the
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  Speaker 1: shooters and things like that when the ball moves around
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  Speaker 1: the perimeter. So a lot of detail there, But I
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  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be one of those things where it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna take some time for this group to get it defensively,
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  Speaker 1: and that's okay because it's a brand new group. It's
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  Speaker 1: a brand new system for a lot of these guys.
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  Speaker 1: You could definitely tell that Tucker Devrees and Connor in
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  Speaker 1: Wright were kind of at the forefront in terms of
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  Speaker 1: knowing what to do defensively, so that those were from
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  Speaker 1: a basketball perspective, My big takeaways from a team perspective.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm excited to see the potential of what this
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  Speaker 1: can be offensively because I think I made a note
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  Speaker 1: with what I wrote. There's nine scholarship players that were
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  Speaker 1: on the court. I think only one didn't take a
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  Speaker 1: three during the practice that I saw that was Sam Beallexis.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone else took a three pointer at some time. There
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of I mean, Lamar Wilkerson is a
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  Speaker 1: guy that we've talked about this whole debate of do
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  Speaker 1: you take mid range shots and do you kind of
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  Speaker 1: get rid of that completely. I think he's a guy
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  Speaker 1: that you're gonna just let shoot the ball from anywhere
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  Speaker 1: on the court because he's a guy that can just
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  Speaker 1: go get you a bucket. But a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: shots from the other guys, it was like you're either
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  Speaker 1: taking a three or getting something in the pain at
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  Speaker 1: the rim, which is also a departure from what we've
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  Speaker 1: seen in the past. So, you know, just kind of
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  Speaker 1: rambling there a bit, but just kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 1: expand a little bit in terms of what I saw
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  Speaker 1: from an offensive defensive perspective. If you have anything to add, Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear kind of what your reaction to
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  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, in terms of what was set in the
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  Speaker 2: media availability after that practice, I think that.
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  Speaker 3: He was pretty.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he said, these guys almost looked like they've
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  Speaker 2: been playing together for a couple of years on offense,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously to maybe be that connected at this point,
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  Speaker 2: and again it's just the coach talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: So although you know you were there and you did
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  Speaker 3: see some of it, but.
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  Speaker 2: When you think beyond the shooting with this group, there
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  Speaker 2: were some guys that came in that have really high
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  Speaker 2: assist rates, and I think they're very good at knowing
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  Speaker 2: how to find guys throw good passes in the right
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  Speaker 2: spots and excel in that. And so that to me
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  Speaker 2: can translate pretty immediately right on the court. Where on defense,
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  Speaker 2: as he pointed out in the press conference as well,
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  Speaker 2: so many different philosophies and so many different ways to
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  Speaker 2: teach things, and all these guys are coming from different programs,
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  Speaker 2: so that's just kind of a stickier wicket to try
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  Speaker 2: to get everybody on the same page on. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in that sense, I think I think it makes sense
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  Speaker 2: in terms of where things are at. And I'm also
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  Speaker 2: not surprised maybe that there's potentially a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: emphasis on the offensive end, just because of his sort
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  Speaker 2: of pedigree and sort of what we know of Creighton's
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  Speaker 2: offense and kind of carrying that that through and I
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  Speaker 2: think that was more when you started reading and watching
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  Speaker 2: some film and all those not the same. West Virginia
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: last year was actually are elite defensive team, but I
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: think this was sort of an offense forward sort of
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: narrative coming in with them in terms of how they play,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: how they share the ball, how they space the floor,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: how they shoot more threes, et cetera. So it kind
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of correlates, I think so far in terms of maybe
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: expectations in terms of where the team is at.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think also this time of year,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: it's crazy to make any like big picture projections based
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: on what we see for in an hour practice. Again,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: there was some struggles defensively, but they've been working together
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: for seven or eight weeks. They still haven't even started
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: official practice. We don't know what they've been emphasizing on
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a day to day basis. So we'll see when the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: actual games start. But we are going to get a
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: sneak peak of the season here with the games in
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Puerto Rico starting out next week. Not going to be
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: any live video my understanding of these games, no broadcasts,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: so for us that are staying at home. We're sending
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Josh post from inside the hall down there, So he's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: gonna be our eyes and ears down in Puerto Rico,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna do his best to kind of relay
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: what he sees. But Ryan, what do you think we
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: can we make out of the games that are played
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: down in Puerto Rico? If anything? Is this just more
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: of a thing where I feel like we have the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: tendency to you know, And I remember going up to
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Montreal watching the Foreign Tour back in twenty fourteen, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: then Tyler Toshman went in twenty twenty one to the Bahamas,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and I feel like sometimes we can see stats from
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: these games or see something that happens and try to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: project it into a regular season game. But we even
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: do this. I feel like with the regular season too,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Like they'll play some of these cupcake games early and
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: a guy will come in and have like a really
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: good game, and we're like, well, this guy might be
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a part of the rotation. Then by the time big
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: tim play hits, he's the eighth man and barely playing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: So I feel like sometimes we can over emphasize what
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: happens on these trips but I think from just a
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: perspective of lineups and kind of seeing who starts and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: maybe who's doing what, I think that's maybe the biggest
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: things we're gonna be able to take away from this.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But also at the same time, you have to remember
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that I think he's gonna want to get guys as
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: many minutes as possible, maybe get some of the younger guys,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: which is just Trent Sisley. But we'll see what happens
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: with the newcomers in terms of the international players if
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: they get a chance to play down there. But you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's a valuable experience from the standpoint of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it's a brand new team and get a chance to
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: play some games. But I also don't want to go
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: too far in terms of just making any grand conclusions
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: from three exhibition games in early August out in Puerto Rico.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of the day, it's almost more
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: for the team and the program and to try to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: just get some more wraps and get some more sort
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: of quote unquote like real world live wraps in a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: game that I think it is for the observers of
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the program. Remembering Bahamas, I feel like Tamar Bates really
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: stuck out and he.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Was gonna he was gonna be a first round pick
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: after a freshman or something freshman year, right, maybe something
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Now, he went on to have a pretty good college
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: career at.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: A at the Zoo.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But uh, in terms of an Indiana uniform, that didn't
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: quite work out, And yeah, you're right, it's it's a
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: small sample size. It's in a different environment than a
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: kind of different class of teams than they're gonna see
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: during the regular season. So it's more I think about
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: seeing this scalf the sort of the scaffolding in the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: architecture of the program and how things are run on
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the floor and maybe those sorts of things, than it
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: is the kind of drilling in on one player or
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: one guy that might pop off and say, okay, well
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: this is this is gonna be how it is, because yeah,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: it's just it's just a different environment.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be early August.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So there is Uh, I don't of caution is the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: right word, but there's certainly the idea of tempering expectations
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: or not taking everything as gospel with how things go
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and how guys certainly looked on there. And yeah, I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: mean there's a couple players right now that are injured
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: that aren't going to be in the mix, that might
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: be more strongly in the mix by the time the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: fall hits. And then both of the international players, it
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: looks like Restick Restitch.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I'm going with Retitch Restitch is maybe did he just
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: maybe I saw that yesterday. He maybe just arrived or
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: he's about to arrive. So the fact that they're going.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: To be down there in a couple of days and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: he's just arriving with the team, it sounds like maybe
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: he'll get in, maybe he won't. And obviously he's got
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to get up the speed. So and then this recent
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: pickup that they had earlier this week as well from Bosnia,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: it's like, these guys aren't even going to be in
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the mix at all in this and they could be
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: later in the season. So right now, it's sort of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the the guys that brought you here. I think in
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: terms of talker, I think in terms of en right
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: sort of not to say that he's going to be, uh,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: you know, a key, key, key, key, key contributor, but
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of because he knows the program, and it
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: sounds like at this point those guys are kind of
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: running things a bit, and as other players get more
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: up to speed with the program and everything, things may
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: kind of shape shift by the time, you know, we're
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: sitting here in March.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and our my fly is back here that we
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: man the uh you know, the first take of the podcast,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: we had a fly that was obviously that's on my
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: forehead now for those watching on video, but so we
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: had to We stopped after five minutes and I tried
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to actually locate the fly in the room, was trying
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to track it down for five minutes, couldn't find it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Thought it had left.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So now why we should have just kept it rolling
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: this You know, we could have first taked it because
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: this this flies back.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so those watching them video are getting some
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: entertainment from this fly clearly annoying me by continuously landing
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: on my head and flying in front of my face.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But moving on the other thing. Just talking to people
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: around the program, one thing that is being really emphasized
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: about this trip is it's not just about the basketball.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: It's about the team building off the court. They're gonna
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: be down there for a week, They're only playing three games.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be like a ton of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: prep work before each game in terms of like scouting reports.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're breaking down film of this Puerto
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Rico team that they're gonna pay. I don't even know
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: if they know who's gonna be on it on a game,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, for the first game, and I know the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: team that they're gonna play from Serbia. There's probably not
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of prep work going into that as well.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of what they're gonna be
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: doing is off the court things in terms of just
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: spending time together. And I think from a team building perspective,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that was something else that I just wanted to mention.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I think is a big part of this trip that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: they could I felt like with Cream when he did
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: this trip, it was definitely about the basketball, because I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: remember we went to Montreal, it was like six days,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: he played five games. I was like, this guy's like
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: clearly like trying to get like a ton out of
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: this from a basketball perspective. But Derees is almost like, Yeah,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: We're going down there to play some games, but I'm
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: not too worried about the results of the games or
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: what actually happens in the games. I'm going down there
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: more for the experience of getting these guys together, getting
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: them to the bomb, which I think is a good thing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: This is like a perfect time to take one of
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: these trips. It's you got a brand new roster, you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: got a brand new coach. You get down there, you
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to to spend some time and do
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: some bonding and all that I think is a great thing.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you Ryan. We haven't had you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: on the show since they've had these two international additions
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to the roster. The Serbian guard Alexa Resticho, we've had
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a chance to see some video of, at least recently
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: from his play in the Foba event, and then the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: more recent edition was the Bosnian big man Andre I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: don't even want to just call him Andre. You can uh,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: We'll wait for an official pronunciation from the IU folks
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: when that happens. Just just curious. Do you have any
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: thoughts on those guys? And I don't think we we'll
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: see a ton of them on this trip, if anything,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: but they seem like more long term development pieces other
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: than guys that can make a huge impact. I feel
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: like research has a chance to maybe play more, if
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: at all, of these two guys as a freshman.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think based on Research's skill set, he to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: me seems pretty intriguing.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Getting this late start here and coming in.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: When he's coming in, We'll see how long it might
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: take him to come along.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: But uh, in terms of.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Asimovic, I'm just gonna we'll just we'll just throw it
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: out there. I think the biggest critique, and honestly one
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: of the biggest narratives going around the last couple of
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: months in terms of the online chatter with this program,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: is where's the rim protector? Where's room protect Everyone says, oh, well,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: they got shooting, and they got passing, and they got this,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: they got that.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: But there is no quote unquote true big on this team.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people were sort of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: kept banging that drum, maybe to a degree that didn't
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: need to be banged, because you know, you can some
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: people point to, well, there's other ways you can kind
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of go about defending a team, if you put some
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: more ball pressure up front, et cetera. But this, at
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: least this pickup to me is we had a need
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: for a shot blocker, and we are bringing in a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: player that has a skill set of blocking shots. I think,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, what somebody of that stuff? Some many of
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: these guys like, Okay, here's a two minute highlight reel
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and what can you really gather from that?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: To me, offensively, he looks a little a little slow
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: getting into his moves.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's hyper athletic, but just like so
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: many other players on this team, to me, his passing
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: stood out. I was like, oh, this this is another
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: big that can pass the ball.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: He ran the floor pretty well too. I think the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: timing on his some of the couple of shot blocks
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: they had at the very end of that video look
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: pretty pretty strong as well. So I'm not sure how
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: much of a rotation player he might be at all
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: this year. But if they were really trying to just
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: find somebody to fill a need and I don't know
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: rolling the dice on it, this to me, these fills
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that need in a way that a lot of the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: other you know.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: No, Sam Alexis. That's another one where.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: We talk about the idea of well he's only six
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: to nine, but he plays a little bit taller right
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and against Some people are kind of graping on that that,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: oh he's really not that big, Although I would say
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: tray Jackson Davis was a pretty good shot blocker and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: not being a seven foot or too right, so I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: it can be done at various sizes. But so yeah,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that's kind of where I see why I guess he
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: was brought in. But whether that's gonna actually be a
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: key cog in the rotation to really shore that rimp
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: production up, I'm not sure I see that right now.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: At least, yeah, I agree with you. And the other
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: thing is we have to realize, like all of these
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: deals now on college basketball is a year to year basis.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: So if somebody comes in and whatever reason doesn't get
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the playing time that they want or the program feels
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: like it's not the right fit, then you know, we
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: kind of know how these situations and up there there's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: movement every year in college bast I'm not saying that's
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the case with either of these players, but there's no
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: reason not to fill your spots and take a chance
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: on somebody if you think there's potential, and who knows,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: this guy, he may come in for a year and
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: not play at all and develop a lot over the season.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Then next offseason he's someone that maybe next year you
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: can put him in and play him ten to twelve minutes.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: But I do think from watching practice again, it was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: just an hour. I want to caveat this, but I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: do think that was my biggest concern with this group defensively,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: was there was I mentioned that stretch at the end
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of practice where the kind of the walk Ons and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: a couple of managers and another support staff guy were
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: playing against the first team, and when they got past
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that first line of defense and got the ball on
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the paint, there wasn't There's not a rim protector. So
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: this is really gonna have to be a team effort
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: in terms of how they're gonna guard the post. There's
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be some Knights in the Big Ten where it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna be great in terms of stopping teams
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: at the rim. I mean, you look at Michigan what
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they have. Morris Johnson came over from Illinois and de
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: mar came over from UCLA. They've got the transfer from you.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I mean again, elite team, projected top five preseason. Same
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: thing with Purdue. They're gonna have a really good front court.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be some nights in the Big Ten where
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be difficult, But I do think that it's
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a it's a it's a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: clear need for the program to get to bring some
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: additional size in the front court and to find someone
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that can potentially develop into someone that can help protect
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the rim. And it's again, you're not bringing this guy
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: in to be the starter. You're bringing him in to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: be the twelve or thirteen man. Same thing with kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: of research, It's like, if you can develop these guys
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: over the course of the year and make them into
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: productive college players, I think that's also a good way
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to kind of tap into this international market. Maybe you
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: can find some other players that you can point to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: these guys and say, hey, we brought this guy in,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: he didn't have a ton of options, and we developed
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: him into, you know, a guy that can contribute in
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the Big ten level. I think it can only help.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And I do think it's also smart to just kind
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of go international looking for players and talent because basketball
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: is a global game at this point, and you look
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: at what Illinois is doing, you're looking at what all
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: these other programs are doing. Indiana has never really done that,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and with the resources that they have and the fact
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that they can pretty much go anywhere to scout guys
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and look at guys. I think it's smart to kind
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of open open this door and see what's out there,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and you know, who knows, maybe it leads to other
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: opportunities in the future. If you know that there could
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: be a coach or an Asian or somebody that that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: looks at this and says, Indiana did a really good
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: job at this player, we want to send our guy there.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Well, that's just how college sports and really, you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: drilling down the college basketball is now that because there
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: players are getting paid, there is a much bigger, more
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: robust international market for players to come in. And I
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: think some teams have been more advantageous with that and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: have gone after that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: In the last year or two.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And late in the game in terms of when these
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: pickups happened, the Indiana staff identified a couple of players
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: as well, and I yeah, I think as time goes
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: along here, there's going to be probably even more of it,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: because it's it's almost one of those I mean, there's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: two things with it. I think it just expands the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Allen pool and you can get a better team if
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you're really out there looking internationally instead of just in
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the high school ranks or you know, in the transfer
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: portal for players, but the way some international wow, I mean,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I should say all. But there's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: also the different philosophy of how these players are learning
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and being taught the game as opposed to American players.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And I think if you look at at least in
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the professional ranks in terms of the NBA, and you
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: see some of these players that are are really you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: playing well in the league, and some of the top
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: five players in the league, you say, you know, between
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yokichen and Luka doncis I mean, they're arguably two of
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the top three or two of the top five.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Best players in the league. And they're international players.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: So I think there's and I believe too now in
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the NBA, like percentage of international players is just about
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: as high as it's ever been. I think, I don't know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: maybe they need to look that up after the pods
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of we'll get our factor check here on that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, no, that's that's right. I mean. The
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: other the other thing, just not to interrupt you, is no,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: go with the the way now that players can make
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: money in college basketball like they're they might be a
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: lot of these guys might be able to make more
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: coming to the US playing for their team and whatever
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it is, uh, you know, Bosnia or Serbia. So that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that's another thing. And I think probably some of these
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: international teams don't don't like this, but it's just the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: reality of the new system. So I think that can actually,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I think I actually can make the game better in
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: college basketball if some of these guys, more of these
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: guys are coming over to play, because we've kind of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: seen that with the NBA, right, I mean thirty years ago,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: there wasn't there weren't these many, this many international guys
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: playing in the NBA. You mentioned Jokic, don Giannis. I mean,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it's just the list goes on of great players. And
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: again it's it's a global game. So I think I
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: think it's smart for ending Her to tap into this
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: market and try to, you know, bring over players that
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: fit kind of what they want to do. And you know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I think it can only be a good thing for
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the health of college basketball. Yeah.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: And it goes the other way too, right, because the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: US players that maybe are trying to leave after their
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: sophomore year or they're looking to get paid internationally, they
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: can stay longer in college and get paid, or they're
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: trying to test the draft. Maybe I can be a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: second round pick, maybe I can hook on somewhere, or
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: even I mean it's possible that even you know, first
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: rounders would be more apt to sticking around in college
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: potentially for another year.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: So I think.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Between basically the money is making the product better. I
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: think there's a pretty big narrative that obviously the transfer
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: portal and guys moving around so much that this is
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: bad for the game, and like you know, and sometimes
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I get that there's the lack of continuity and people
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: sort of bemoaning how it used to be and how
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: it is now.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like this is a coach just complaining
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: about that, like no one from like from from my perspective,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Like I get like having wanting some continuity, But at
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the same time, it's also like it's made the sport
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: more of a year round sport, right, I mean, we
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: have now we're talking about college basketball more days out
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of the year than we ever did before. Because think
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: about like before the portal, like your team was pretty
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: much set, maybe you got a couple of spring recruiter too,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and then it was basically like April and May, we're
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: pretty quiet, and then you look to July for recruiting information.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Who coaches are watching that now, it's like the opposite
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: in terms of high school kids are kind of taking
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a backseat, and the portal is
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: we can we can to see it from the interest
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in the website, right, I mean the portal the last
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: couple of years, there's more interest in that at times,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and there's actual game. So I think, you know, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree that it's I don't disagree that it's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: a bad thing in some situations, but also I don't
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: think we're going to get back to the way it was.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: So you just have to embrace the new era and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Agree that's that's that's life. That that's the way the
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: world moves.
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  Speaker 2: You know, some things change, and uh, especially if you're
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: going to be a coach and you're going to try
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to be successful in this modern era, you got to adapt.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: So you have to.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: If you don't, if you're gonna complain about it, I mean,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: then you're you've got one one foot out the door.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I mean there's been there alre been some coaches that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: have said we don't want to do this, We're going
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to get out of there. But yeah, I think it's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a whole other conversation in terms of
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like where this ends up. And there's so many different
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: moving pieces with this that I think we'll eventually get
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to a place where there's a more set in stone system.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But anytime there's like this big of a disruption in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: any industry, like, there's a lot of steps you have
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to take along the way to get to the finished product,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and this is just kind of where we are, so
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: just embrace it, enjoy it. I think for Indiana it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: actually a really good thing because they're gonna be one
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of the programs that's gonna have among the top resources
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: in the sport. And for a long time we I
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: think Indiana fans would complain like, well, you know, these
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: programs buying these guys, this guy, we can't get some
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of these guys. I think Indiana now is more on
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: a level playing field, and I think long term and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: has a chance to really up the talent level in
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the program. I think in terms of what the revenue
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: share is going to be spent towards men's basketball and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Bloomington is going to be as high as any in
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, and I think the nil opportunities will
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: we get some more clarity on how that's all going
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to be all gonna work in terms of this new
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: commission that's going to prove the Again, I still don't
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: understand how this is gonna work, like when the portal
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: actually opens, Like, are they gonna are they gonna actually
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: like look at every nil deal that comes across their
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: desk and say, I don't know how many people are
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be working on this. But again, a whole other conversation.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Last thing, Ryan, before we get you out of here,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: just what from just a basketball perspective, if anything, are
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you gonna look for in these Puerto Rico games, Like
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: in terms of like the games, are you gonna be
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: looking for from a statistical perspective like how many threes
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: are taken or anything? Or is that any of that
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: stuff matter at all? I think.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I will be looking for I don't know if I'll
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: be looking for it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I think I'll just be basking in a in an
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: offense that spaces the floor, that passes, that passes well,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: that shoots threes, that plays a modern style and more
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of a style that puts you in the mix to
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: win more games, and however that sort of works itself
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: out with in these three games, I are a couple
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: of games here. I'm not looking for anything specific other
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: than maybe just feeling that and in knowing that that's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: coming down the pike for the season and that it's
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: going to be quite different as we wrap up with
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: our theory of opposites than than the last regime. And
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just kind of interested in actually seeing an Indiana
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: team play this because as we know, it's not just
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the Woods scenario. We gotta have about another four years
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: before that as well with Archie Miller and going on
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: almost a decade here of I think some style of
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: play that has not always been the most aesthetically pleasing,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and I'm just interested to see players in an Indiana
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: uniform playing playing a much different style on the offensive end.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for taking the Tom Ryan, always good
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to catch up with you for In terms of the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: podcast moving forward, Josh was obviously going to be in
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, so we're gonna try. I don't know if
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be after every game or at least a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: couple of times when he's down there, to have him
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: on the show and kind of talk through what he saw,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: what he observed. He's gonna be wearing a lot of
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: hats down there in terms of he's gonna be the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: only man on the ground, so he's gonna be trying
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: to pay attention to the game, maybe film some cliffs
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: from the game, maybe post some things on social media
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: during the game. So a lot of different things going on.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: But he you know, talked to him earlier in the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: week up and blowing him when he was at the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: open practice. He's really excited to get down there and
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: have a chance to watch this team. I think it's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: gonna be I'm interested to see just what the atmosphere
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: is like down there. I don't really have any sense
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of how many people actually gonna be going down there.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: It's from what I understand, I gonna be played in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a pretty large arena. So could there be a thousand
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: AU fans there, could there be three thousand. I have
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: no idea what to expect from that perspective. So I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: don't even have a firm schedule at this point in
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: terms of game times, and people keep asking me I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier as of right now no live broadcast plan
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: of the game. Who knows. Maybe someone when the stands
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: will live stream the games on YouTube. Who knows what's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: going to happen with this, So we'll be curious to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: see how that all plays out, but we'll have you
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: covered every step of the way. Again, Ryan, thanks for
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: taking the time to come on the show. Really really
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: enjoyed the conversation.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: As always, happy to be here.
• 41:19
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• 41:30
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• 41:32
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• 41:34
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