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Female Firsts: Mary Eliza Mahoney · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan.
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  Speaker 1: Never told you protection of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And today it is time for another edition of Female First,
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  Speaker 2: which means we are once again so happy to be
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  Speaker 2: joined by the amazing.
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  Speaker 1: The wonderful, and tired today. I'm so welcome Eve.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate the transparency. I'm sure a lot of other
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  Speaker 3: people can relate.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, yes, And I know we've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a napper? Do you have?
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  Speaker 3: What do you do when you're tired? Am I a napper?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm a napper. I'm going to I'm literally
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  Speaker 3: going to take a nap after this, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: take a nap. I'm probably going to clean and then
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  Speaker 3: go to the gym. But like today is the most
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  Speaker 3: definite I need.
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  Speaker 4: A nap day.
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  Speaker 3: I try to be dis plan with my naps, Like
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  Speaker 3: you know, they say twenty to thirty minutes, but I
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  Speaker 3: sleep how.
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  Speaker 4: My body tells me to sleep.
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  Speaker 3: So if I have the capacity for it, if I
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  Speaker 3: have the time for it, and I know I do,
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  Speaker 3: like there's nothing I need to rush and get out
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  Speaker 3: the door for afterwards, I'll take it.
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  Speaker 4: I'll take it easy.
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  Speaker 1: I look it as it comes. That's good.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great way to be like in
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  Speaker 2: touch with your body that I think a lot of us.
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  Speaker 2: I know I am not, so I think that's a
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  Speaker 2: very healthy outlooky thank you, Yes, yes, How have you been?
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, I've been.
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  Speaker 4: Good, honestly.
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are melting in this
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  Speaker 3: heat that we're having here, but I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I've been. I've been outside quite a bit. I've been.
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  Speaker 3: Burning, actually physically getting a tan because I'm burning in
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  Speaker 3: the sun, but not that burning. Notwithstanding, I'm still having
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  Speaker 3: a good time in the sunlight.
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  Speaker 4: So I think i've been.
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  Speaker 3: I've been pretty good for the most part. Been to
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  Speaker 3: the beach recently. Been nice, nice, and a lot of water,
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  Speaker 3: a lot more than I normally am. I'm really connecting
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  Speaker 3: with water in this moment and that feels good.
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  Speaker 4: So cooling off a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's funny because I have avoided the heat
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  Speaker 1: so hard. It is very, very very hot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm also I too, went to the beach recently,
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  Speaker 2: but I hardly ever get in the water.
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of look at it. But I do
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  Speaker 1: love looking at it and hearing the sound of it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, did you guys not do like giant float times?
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  Speaker 4: What's the fun time?
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a friend, she's been on the show
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  Speaker 2: and she's actually she's a nurse. So oh, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: she'll listen to this episode. She's she's one of my
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  Speaker 2: good friends that listens. I don't shame anyone who doesn't,
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  Speaker 2: but she does. You should, no, no, no, But she
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  Speaker 2: she just somebody who likes to like do things up,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, And part of that is she also likes.
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  Speaker 1: To find good deals.
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  Speaker 2: And that means over the years we've accumulated a lot
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  Speaker 2: of really are egregious that floats, big floats, and we
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  Speaker 2: tie them together and we make a float island and
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  Speaker 2: we make all the kids jealous.
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  Speaker 1: Cool floats.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but over the years we've kind of got more
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  Speaker 2: and more tired, I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Not as much gumption.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a float and a it's under some
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  Speaker 2: boxes and that was enough to stop me.
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  Speaker 1: You've smell was enough. I was like, no floats this year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We did a bit of effort. Yeah yeah, but we
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  Speaker 1: had a great time anyway. I never do well with floats.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. We've got a cat a cat cameo, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the first time, I didn't know you had a cat.
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  Speaker 4: I just got shocked by that. I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 4: what is that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to distract she just she loves sitting
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  Speaker 3: on me while I'm here. Yeah, I'm just taking care
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  Speaker 3: of her for a little over a month now.
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  Speaker 4: Her name is really maybe she owns me.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that, listeners, she's just staring up at Eves like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I should live here forever.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, welcome to.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But who did you bring for us today, Eaves?
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  Speaker 3: Today we're talking about Mary Eliza Mahoney. So speaking of nurses,
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  Speaker 3: she was the first black American professional nurse. Definitely not
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  Speaker 3: the first black nurse in the US, though, So I
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  Speaker 3: just want to point that out that there are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people who were doing that kind of work
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  Speaker 3: before or this whole institutionalize what we would consider professional
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  Speaker 3: or trained thing happened. That knowledge was being passed down
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  Speaker 3: in other ways, and black people were barred for some
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  Speaker 3: of those institutions. And also these were early days of
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  Speaker 3: nursing in general. So doesn't it change the fact that
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  Speaker 3: Mary Eliza Mahoney was a pioneer in the field and
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  Speaker 3: she was really instrumental in the beginnings of black people
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  Speaker 3: being involved in nursing in institutional ways and in ways
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  Speaker 3: where they were receiving formal training. So yeah, and we've
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  Speaker 3: also I would just like to call out to that
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  Speaker 3: previous episode of Female First. We talked about Rebecca Lee Crumpler,
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  Speaker 3: who was also she was the first black female physician
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  Speaker 3: in the US. So if you're interested in medical history
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  Speaker 3: of first in the United States, then you can go
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  Speaker 3: back and listen to that episode.
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  Speaker 4: Two.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but okay, should we get into some history.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Mary Eliza Mahoney was born in eighteen forty
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  Speaker 3: five in Massachusett. Her exact birthday is unknown. We often
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  Speaker 3: see this happen in these female First stories. Some sources
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  Speaker 3: say that it's May seventh, eighteen forty five, but generally,
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  Speaker 3: personal details about her life and her family history aren't
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  Speaker 3: super well recorded, although she did have descendants that came
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  Speaker 3: from some of her siblings who were able to pass
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  Speaker 3: down some knowledge as well, and there are also people
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  Speaker 3: who have written about her knowledge through what we do
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  Speaker 3: know that was recorded and orally passed down. But either way,
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  Speaker 3: her parents were thought to have been enslaved before they
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  Speaker 3: were emancipated and they may have previously lived in North
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  Speaker 3: Carolina but then moved to Boston, and she had three
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  Speaker 3: younger siblings that one of them died as a child.
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  Speaker 3: So she went to Phillips School in Boston and she
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  Speaker 3: started first grade when she was ten years old. This
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  Speaker 3: was one of the first integrated public schools in Boston,
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  Speaker 3: and she went there up until the fourth grade. It
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  Speaker 3: is not completely clear how she got interested in nursing,
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, a part of the where there are
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  Speaker 3: a lot of gaps in the history that we know
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  Speaker 3: about her do come in her earlier life, in her childhood,
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  Speaker 3: and also in her family history. But when she was
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  Speaker 3: a teenager, she began working at the New England Hospital
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  Speaker 3: for Women and Children, and this is where her nursing
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  Speaker 3: story starts really, so regardless of how she received her
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  Speaker 3: psychological or personal interest in nursing itself, she was already
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  Speaker 3: around nursing a lot. The hospital was founded in eighteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty two and it was the first one in Boston
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  Speaker 3: that was run by women's physicians and surgeons. So it
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  Speaker 3: is what it sounds like by women for women's situation
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  Speaker 3: and pretty self explanatory.
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  Speaker 4: And all the physicians who were full time staff here
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  Speaker 4: were women, and there were women.
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  Speaker 3: And children patients, and at the time women were barred
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  Speaker 3: from being on hospital staff and going to medical schools
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  Speaker 3: and participating in professional societies. But this establishment allowed women
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  Speaker 3: to get training in line with the kind that was
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  Speaker 3: available to men. So in eighteen sixty three, it follows
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  Speaker 3: that it became the first institution in the United States
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  Speaker 3: to offer formal and professional nursing training the first. This
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  Speaker 3: is another first, not Mary Eliza Mahony's first, but another
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  Speaker 3: first that happened at the New England Hospital. The first
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  Speaker 3: institutionally trained nurse in the US graduated from there in
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  Speaker 3: eighteen seventy three, and that was Linda Richards. That is
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  Speaker 3: also part of the story leading up to Mary Eliza
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  Speaker 3: Mahoney's first. Now the hospital is called the Demo Community
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  Speaker 3: Health Center, but anyway, there is a long history of
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  Speaker 3: Black women acting as medical caregivers for their family members,
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  Speaker 3: for community members, for their enslavers, and for their employers
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  Speaker 3: in so many different ways. And oftentimes that medical caregiving
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  Speaker 3: role was woven into other roles of domestic work in
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  Speaker 3: domestic servitude, so those roles kind of combined in ways.
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  Speaker 4: And when Mahoney was coming up.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I think a lot of people will associate Boston
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  Speaker 3: with being an abolitionist hot spot, but of course there
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  Speaker 3: was still segregation and racism, and according to the biography
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  Speaker 3: Mary Eliza Mahoney and the Legacy of African American nurses,
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  Speaker 3: only around two thousand of the nearly one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifteen thousand people in Boston when Mahoney was born were black.
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  Speaker 3: So black women did work as nurses and private homes,
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  Speaker 3: but that role was integrated into their other duties as
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  Speaker 3: domestic workers. Mahoney herself was involved in that history, so
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  Speaker 3: she started working as a nurse in people's home homes
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  Speaker 3: around eighteen sixty five. But before the Civil War there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't institutional medical training for black women. Of course, we
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  Speaker 3: know what we are. Probably a lot of your listeners
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  Speaker 3: are probably familiar with the history of nursing and how
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  Speaker 3: that was wrapped up in the Civil War in Florence Nightingale,
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  Speaker 3: and how clear the Civil War made it that there
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  Speaker 3: was a need for nurses in having a higher standard
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  Speaker 3: of medical training. So during Mahoney's time working at the
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  Speaker 3: New England Hospital for Women and Children, she cleaned, she cooked,
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  Speaker 3: she did laundry and she sometimes helped the nurses do
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  Speaker 3: their work, but she wasn't really involved in the nursing
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  Speaker 3: side yet. Over years past, Mary Eliza Mahoney continued to
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  Speaker 3: do those other kinds of work at the hospital, and
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  Speaker 3: during that time, the hospital's school program advanced a lot
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  Speaker 3: from the point when it first opened. So at first,
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  Speaker 3: students only got like six months of training. Not many
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  Speaker 3: women apply and not many people graduated from the program
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  Speaker 3: in its first couple of years. But by the time
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  Speaker 3: Mahony enrolled, the program was about a year long, and
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  Speaker 3: students were studying nursing in the medical, surgical and maternity wards,
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  Speaker 3: and they were studying night nursing, and the students who
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  Speaker 3: graduated got certificates. So the hospital's charter only allowed one
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  Speaker 3: black student and one Jewish student to be accepted each year. Also,
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  Speaker 3: people training as nurses there were reportedly treated kind of
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  Speaker 3: as lesser than the people who were training to become
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  Speaker 3: doctors there, and the doctors in training got more attention
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  Speaker 3: and higher priority. There is mention of the people who
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  Speaker 3: were coming in to train as nurses being called pupils
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  Speaker 3: versus the people who were coming in to be trained
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  Speaker 3: as doctors being called students. Since the so there is
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  Speaker 3: some sense of superiority or hierarchy in the way that
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  Speaker 3: nurses were treated and how they were viewed at the
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  Speaker 3: hospital versus the people who were training to become doctors.
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  Speaker 3: But Mahoney applied to the hospital's nursing program and at
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  Speaker 3: this time she was around thirty three years old, and
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  Speaker 3: that made her older than the average applicant because that
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  Speaker 3: the school did give a cap of I think it
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  Speaker 3: was thirty one years old. But it's thought that because
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  Speaker 3: she was already familiar with the people who were working
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  Speaker 3: at the hospital, that she was still and she was qualified.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, she had the experience to be able to
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  Speaker 3: get into the school that she was eligible and she
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  Speaker 3: got in. So this was eighteen seventy eight. At this point,
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  Speaker 3: Mahony was admitted to a sixteen month nurse training program
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  Speaker 3: at the hospital and that made one of her first
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  Speaker 3: That made her the program's first black nursing student, so
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  Speaker 3: as no other black woman had been admitted to the
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  Speaker 3: program before. It was also speculated that a woman who
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  Speaker 3: was high up at the hospital named Edna Dowch was
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  Speaker 3: the one who was able to help influence the people
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  Speaker 3: who were admitting the students to accept her. So once
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  Speaker 3: she got into the program, it was pretty rigorous. They
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  Speaker 3: worked from five thirty am to nine thirty pm daily.
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  Speaker 3: They were paid one to four dollars per week quote
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  Speaker 3: after the first fortnight, according to the actual value of
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  Speaker 3: their service to the hospital, which sounds very vague and
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  Speaker 3: like there's a lot of potential for problems there not
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  Speaker 3: used to mention all the other issues of racism and
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  Speaker 3: discrimination that can create these kind of arbitrary standards of
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  Speaker 3: things being applied from one person to the next.
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  Speaker 4: But hey, I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know much else about how that role was
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  Speaker 3: actually applied to people. But it wasn't a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: Four dollars then it's about one hundred and twenty two
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  Speaker 3: dollars today, and that was.
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  Speaker 4: The top value that they gave.
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  Speaker 3: I can't say how those numbers were distributed among people
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  Speaker 3: and how often they gave one amount over the other.
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  Speaker 3: But each nurse was in charge of award which had
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  Speaker 3: six beds in it. And apparently Mahoney never missed a
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  Speaker 3: day of her program, and even Mahoney's sister later applied
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  Speaker 3: and was accepted to the program. But there was a
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  Speaker 3: question that was raised here in looking back at the
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  Speaker 3: history of the students who attended during Mahoney herself and
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  Speaker 3: during the other students who were there during Mahony's time
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  Speaker 3: of were nursing students getting an education or were they
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  Speaker 3: just cheap labor and a lot of value judgments around that,
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  Speaker 3: But it is a sort of question that has come
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  Speaker 3: up in that history because they were being paid these
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  Speaker 3: low amounts and other people who had more training weren't
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  Speaker 3: the ones who were providing the nursing at the hospital.
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  Speaker 3: Because these students who were being paid very low amounts
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  Speaker 3: were the ones who were providing the nurses. So it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of stripping away their ability to be able to
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  Speaker 3: work with already professionally trained nurses.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So in August first, eighteen seventy nine, Mahony graduated and
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  Speaker 3: this made her the first black person in the United
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  Speaker 3: States to become a professional nurse. And the New England
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  Speaker 3: Hospital continued to accept qualify black students, but plenty of
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  Speaker 3: other nursing schools barred black students from enrolling. Most of
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  Speaker 3: the people who graduated worked for families. And in that
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  Speaker 3: book that I mentioned earlier, that biography Mary Eliza Mahoney
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  Speaker 3: and the legacy of African American nurses. The author says,
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  Speaker 3: quote the larger hospitals did not seem to have a
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  Speaker 3: need for nurses when they used student nurses to do
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  Speaker 3: most of the labor in return for minimum wages. So
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  Speaker 3: after graduating, Mahoney went back to working as a nurse
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  Speaker 3: in private homes. Now with this new training that she had.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the people, as was the case in so
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  Speaker 3: many for so many different people that she worked for,
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  Speaker 3: were wealthy white folks. She cared for pregnant women, mothers,
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  Speaker 3: and newborns, and a lot of her work was in
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  Speaker 3: New Jersey, but she did travel elsewhere on the East
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  Speaker 3: Coast part of her work when she had patients who
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  Speaker 3: she needed to travel for. At first, she charged about
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  Speaker 3: a dollar fifty a day as a private nurse, which
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  Speaker 3: is about forty five dollars today, but by eighteen ninety
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  Speaker 3: two she had raised her rate to two dollars and
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  Speaker 3: fifty cents per day. She registered with a nursing directory
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  Speaker 3: that the Massachusetts Medical Library kept, and she was the
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  Speaker 3: first black person to do so. So we don't have
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  Speaker 3: a huge history of how it worked in her day today.
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  Speaker 3: Over those decades that she was working as a private
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  Speaker 3: nurse of a lot, Like, we don't have a ton
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  Speaker 3: of knowledge about what the people who she was working
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  Speaker 3: for had to say about her, but there are a few.
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  Speaker 4: Comments that people said.
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  Speaker 3: We know that people did refer to her as an
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  Speaker 3: excellent nurse because this directory allowed nurses to offer their
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  Speaker 3: services to private employers, and it also kept her references
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  Speaker 3: for potential employers, and there were people who commented on
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  Speaker 3: her abilities and her skills and proficiency as a nurse
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  Speaker 3: in their homes. And also she was kind of like
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  Speaker 3: she was known around town, so there was a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of oh, yeah, we've heard she's a good nurse
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  Speaker 3: going on. So that is what we do know about
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  Speaker 3: her skill as a nurse in private settings. She lived
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  Speaker 3: along in Roxbury, and she was religious and she attended church.
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  Speaker 3: For a little bit of her personal life, it's also
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  Speaker 3: like in terms of her physicality, she's described as being
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  Speaker 3: very petite, around five feet and pretty small.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's what we know.
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  Speaker 3: About her nursing career and a little bit about her
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  Speaker 3: personal life and getting into her later life. She also
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  Speaker 3: was a person who, of course she was a pioneer
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  Speaker 3: in her own way and recognized that and used her
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  Speaker 3: status and her knowledge to be able to give back
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  Speaker 3: to others, and she did that in one way through
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  Speaker 3: the National Association of Colored Graduate Nurses that formed in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen oh eight, and that organization was formed as a
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  Speaker 3: response to the employment discrimination that these nurses faced, the
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  Speaker 3: discrepancies that they faced, the lower quality of training, lower
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  Speaker 3: standards of training, and of course the racism that black
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  Speaker 3: nurses faced at the time. And Mahoney was part of
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  Speaker 3: the early years of this association. Not long after it formed,
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  Speaker 3: she got lifetime membership status with it and she was
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  Speaker 3: elected to be as chaplain. She also, in her later
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  Speaker 3: years ran the Howard Colored Orphan Asylum in Brooklyn, and
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  Speaker 3: she was one of the first women who was registered
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  Speaker 3: to vote in Boston. And she ended up retiring in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 3: So she found out that she had breast cancer in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen twenty three, and she continued to struggle with her
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  Speaker 3: health because of the cancer, and she ended up dying
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  Speaker 3: on January fourth in nineteen twenty six. Mary Eliza Mahoney
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  Speaker 3: is buried in Woodlin Cemetery in Everett, Massachusetts, and there
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  Speaker 3: is a monument that was dedicated to Mahoney at her
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  Speaker 3: grave site. So her grave site was kind of overgrown.
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  Speaker 3: At a point it was covered up, and then a
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  Speaker 3: fundraising effort was led by a nurse named Helen Sullivan
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  Speaker 3: Miller who had been researching Mahoney and wanted to honor
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  Speaker 3: her through uplifting her grave site, so she decided to
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  Speaker 3: have a headstone installed to recognize her as the first
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  Speaker 3: professional black nurse in the United States. So Mahoney continued
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  Speaker 3: to be honored in other ways as well. In nineteen
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  Speaker 3: thirty six, the National Association of Color Graduate Nurses instituted
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  Speaker 3: the Mary Eliza Mahony Award. The first recipient of that
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  Speaker 3: award was Ada Belle Samuels Thoms, who herself has her
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  Speaker 3: own history and pioneering in the nursing field, and later
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  Speaker 3: the American Nurses Association adopted that award when the organizations merged.
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  Speaker 3: So even though there isn't a lot of Mahony's recorded history,
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  Speaker 3: there are people who have written down her legacy, her biography,
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  Speaker 3: and honored her through awards and through making sure that
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  Speaker 3: her grave site was taken care of and marked with
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  Speaker 3: her name so that people who came by could know
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  Speaker 3: the legacy and that she was buried there and could
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  Speaker 3: visit and that is the story of Mary Eliza Mahoney,
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  Speaker 3: early pioneer in the nursing field in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that you brought this which was always,
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  Speaker 2: as always so fascinating and so nuanced, and there is
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  Speaker 2: just so much history and still ongoing battles for like
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  Speaker 2: in the medical industry and for nurses. I speak as
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  Speaker 2: my friend Marissa, you know, we've talked about it, but
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Samantha and I and a bunch of listeners have been
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: talking about medicine and health a lot lately, and there's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: been a lot of books published about it, and like
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  Speaker 2: the power having a good nurse versus having a bad.
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  Speaker 1: One is such a huge thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't even know what ever began with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so I love that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we don't have so much history, and as always,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for bringing this, and thanks to all the
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  Speaker 2: people who have put in the work. But from what
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  Speaker 2: we do know, she was a good nurse. People appreciated
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: what she did, and it seems like she did a
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: really good job, was very competent, and because of that
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: was very well respected in light as a nurse at least.
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  Speaker 2: And that's yeah, it's such a big thing to find someone,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: find a good nurse.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. And also, uh, I love the cat.
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  Speaker 2: The cat has been amazing on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm very gestural.
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  Speaker 3: When I'm speaking, so I moved my hands everywhere and
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  Speaker 3: she clearly was not happy about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me do, let me help you. I got this.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, So towards the end you heard some some giggles,
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  Speaker 2: some smothered giggles.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it was. It was very cute. It was
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: very cute.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, as always, Eves for for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: We love having you. The cat is welcome anytime.
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  Speaker 4: I'll let her know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, probably have a feed next. I have a talent.
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  Speaker 2: Where can the good listeners find you?
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  Speaker 3: You can find me at Eves Jeffcote dot com. That's
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  Speaker 4: So I'll leave it at that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair, fair point, yes, and I hope you have
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: a good nap.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Eves.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Of course you do well listeners.
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