Latest / Karl and Crew / Unwavering Faith Through Trauma and Adversity with Susie Larson
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- 0:55S1: coming out hot this hour.
- 0:57S4: This has been such a full week. I don't know
- 1:00S4: that we've ever talked to this many guests.
- 1:02S3: No.
- 1:03S4: In one week?
- 1:04S2: No, I don't think so.
- 1:05S6: Producer. No. Ask our producer. Yeah.
- 1:07S4: Like we've had so many conversations this week.
- 1:10S2: A lot. A lot of good stuff.
- 1:12S6: A lot of booking. Oh, yeah. Great.
- 1:14S2: A lot of booking.
- 1:14S6: A lot of booking that too. But good stuff.
- 1:18S7: Yeah. Phenomenal. So speaking of phenomenal look up phenomenal in
- 1:23S7: the dictionary. And Susie Larson's picture is right there somewhere.
- 1:28S7: Right there.
- 1:29S2: Right there right up next to the word phenomenal.
- 1:31S4: Susie Larson. That feels appropriate.
- 1:33S7: Yeah. You know, when we think about Susie and some
- 1:36S7: of the expertise that she has, what would you say
- 1:39S7: about her ministry?
- 1:41S4: You know, she has always been open about, um, overcoming
- 1:45S4: trauma in her life, but also living with chronic illness
- 1:50S4: and the hardship that come with, you know, kind of living.
- 1:54S4: You know, people want to think that it's like, sort
- 1:55S4: of this happily ever after where you have the before.
- 1:57S4: And then. Then everything gets easy and you live happily
- 2:01S4: ever after. But she's very honest about the ongoing battle
- 2:05S4: of feeling like you get a victory for her and
- 2:08S4: her health. And then there's a setback and and fighting
- 2:11S4: for faith through that.
- 2:13S7: Yeah, it's it's so good, I think for Susie, for
- 2:18S7: me as a woman that has such a good handle
- 2:20S7: on the word as it relates to those things that
- 2:23S7: you put that combo together and you got something lethal.
- 2:27S7: Buckle up and do grab that swig of water. We're
- 2:31S7: coming in hot here with a phenomenal woman of God,
- 2:34S7: Susie Larson, coming up.
- 2:37S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
- 2:41S1: to Carl and Cru.
- 2:42S7: Consider it pure joy, my brothers. Whenever you face trials
- 2:48S7: of many kinds, because you know that the testing of
- 2:51S7: your faith develops perseverance and perseverance must finish its work
- 2:55S7: so that you may be mature and complete, lacking nothing.
- 2:59S7: And then, if you lack wisdom for that trial, by
- 3:02S7: the way, let him ask of God. But don't be
- 3:04S7: double sold or double minded. Why in the world do
- 3:07S7: I have that passage of Scripture so locked into my heart?
- 3:10S7: I don't even have a Bible open. Susie. Why is
- 3:13S7: it that we can memorize passages like that? Why is it.
- 3:17S8: Because our souls need it and we're wired for truth.
- 3:20S8: We're wired to walk in intimacy with God and His
- 3:23S8: laws written on our hearts. And I feel like when
- 3:25S8: you walk through a storm, God increases your capacity to
- 3:28S8: receive and believe His word.
- 3:30S7: Wow.
- 3:31S4: Susie Larson, our guest this morning, well known radio talk
- 3:33S4: show host Susie Larson, live podcaster with over 16 million downloads,
- 3:38S4: national speaker, and a bestselling author. You know when you
- 3:41S4: hear that verse that count it all joy. Some people,
- 3:44S4: if they've heard it before and they've gone through real hardship,
- 3:47S4: it can feel not like a comfort. It can feel
- 3:50S4: like a cliché a little bit. Have you ever felt that?
- 3:54S8: Very much when? I don't really know what the joy
- 3:57S8: actually means. But I've been in enough fires and enough
- 4:00S8: battles now to know that joy of the Lord is
- 4:02S8: our strength. It literally is a supernatural sense of God's presence,
- 4:06S8: the infusion of his strength. And then when you realize
- 4:10S8: God can accomplish and enter you what he wants to
- 4:13S8: in no other way. In fact, Chip Ingram was on
- 4:15S8: my show. I don't know about like 6 or 7
- 4:18S8: months ago. And he said the best thing. He said, Susie,
- 4:19S8: whatever you're walking through, you've got to know God is
- 4:22S8: so kind and so good. If he could accomplish his
- 4:24S8: purposes through you in any other way, he would. This
- 4:28S8: is his kindest, gentlest path forward for you. And it
- 4:31S8: doesn't always feel like that. It feels brutal. But when
- 4:34S8: you start to get to know what God is like
- 4:36S8: and who he is, you're not just taking your cues
- 4:38S8: and your theology from your experience, then you can know
- 4:42S8: without a doubt, I know him. If I'm walking through it,
- 4:45S8: he's going to see me through it. If he allows it,
- 4:47S8: he's going to redeem it. And so I can get
- 4:50S8: to that place of joy going, you know what? Have
- 4:52S8: your way. Because I do know for every time I
- 4:55S8: trust you in these battles, the enemy loses real estate,
- 4:58S8: I gain real estate, and many lives are impacted. It
- 5:01S8: just helps you to get a bigger picture. And there
- 5:04S8: is supernatural strength in that joy. When you say, Lord,
- 5:08S8: you know what? I know you're going to see me
- 5:10S8: through this. I know you're going to work it for
- 5:12S8: the good. And when you start to kind of zoom
- 5:14S8: out and get that bigger picture, you will be able
- 5:16S8: to have peace and joy. That's not circumstantial.
- 5:19S7: See, we get into this thing just a couple of minutes,
- 5:21S7: and I know people are saying, how do I get
- 5:24S7: more of that? Where's her content at? Text the word
- 5:27S7: goodness right now. We're going to get it going early
- 5:30S7: this morning. Text goodness to 800 555 7898. Text goodness
- 5:37S7: to 800 555 7898. You know, we don't often talk
- 5:42S7: about this, but I want to go to that passage
- 5:45S7: in James and go to the later portion where he says,
- 5:47S7: if you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who
- 5:50S7: gives generously, by the way, without any kind of judgment
- 5:53S7: or fault finding. But let him ask in faith. Not
- 5:57S7: a double souled is what the original text says there.
- 6:00S7: It means that you got one soul in this camp
- 6:03S7: and one soul in that camp. That's a huge caveat.
- 6:07S7: What does that mean to the average person listening today?
- 6:11S7: It's not God's not baiting and switching us here. He's
- 6:14S7: just saying wisdom for trials comes to a person that
- 6:17S7: is singularly in him. What does that look like, Suzy?
- 6:21S8: Well, the opposite of that is plan A, B, and C. God,
- 6:23S8: you're one of the options. And if you don't come
- 6:25S8: through for me, I've got my other idols in my tent.
- 6:27S8: And it's very similar to when Elijah called God's people
- 6:31S8: together at Mount Carmel and said, okay, is God the
- 6:35S8: Lord or not? If he is, follow him and bow
- 6:37S8: down to him, because they were creating and bowing down
- 6:40S8: to idols. And you know, I had a one of
- 6:42S8: my guests on my show every day. I ask, you know,
- 6:44S8: what's the Lord been speaking to you about? And one
- 6:46S8: of my guests during Covid, he said, Susie, I was
- 6:49S8: thinking of that story when Paul was unjustly accused and
- 6:52S8: went before Agrippa and he said, here he has this
- 6:55S8: unjust experience, but he's one of the greatest evangelists of
- 6:58S8: all time. So he uses the unjust opportunity to preach
- 7:01S8: the good news to further the gospel. And in so
- 7:04S8: many words Agrippa said, you almost persuaded me to become
- 7:07S8: a Christian. And he said, you know what I've been
- 7:09S8: thinking about is because during that time when he and
- 7:12S8: I were talking, it was Covid. Everything was shaking. And
- 7:14S8: he said, I'm wondering, are there things I once was
- 7:17S8: sure about that I'm only almost persuaded about? Like because
- 7:21S8: of the shaking we're going through? Am I wavering back
- 7:24S8: and forth in unbelief? So circling back to James, when
- 7:27S8: you're wavering back and forth, you don't see goodness when
- 7:30S8: it comes because often his answer is the still small voice.
- 7:33S8: It's the little sprout in the ground. It's that little
- 7:36S8: crook that's coming through the desert that's so contrary to nature.
- 7:40S8: And if we're living by sensation, making a theology on
- 7:44S8: our battles without the Word of God, we will miss him.
- 7:47S4: Susie Larson, our guest this morning. Coming up, we're going
- 7:50S4: to get a little bit of Susie's own story. As
- 7:52S4: you might imagine, this hard fought wisdom, hard earned wisdom
- 7:56S4: does not come from a place of not having been
- 7:59S4: through some difficulty. Let's ask her how God has sustained her.
- 8:03S4: Coming up.
- 8:04S1: Get your info from a source you can trust. It's
- 8:07S1: Ask the Experts week with Carl and crew.
- 8:10S4: Or Ask the Expert. Series continues today. Susie Larson so
- 8:14S4: gracious to join us. Susie, give us a little bit
- 8:16S4: of your own story. And I know we've asked it
- 8:18S4: of you before, but I think it so helps for
- 8:21S4: our listeners to hear that you come from a place
- 8:23S4: of knowing, when you talk about considering it joy through
- 8:27S4: trials of many kinds.
- 8:29S8: Yeah, again, so honored to be with you. And I
- 8:31S8: appreciate what you guys do so much, because you're real
- 8:34S8: and you're raw and you're not pretending. You're not playing
- 8:36S8: around and you're not presenting a facade of perfect Christianity
- 8:39S8: because there's no such thing. So I love being in
- 8:42S8: the trenches with you guys because that's how I have
- 8:44S8: to walk it out, you know? And I don't want
- 8:47S8: to give anybody whiplash, but I'm going to give you
- 8:49S8: a little synopsis, so maybe you can buckle up and
- 8:51S8: put a little pillow behind your neck.
- 8:54S6: Just prepare.
- 8:55S7: For landing.
- 8:55S8: Come on. Yeah. Just soften the blow a little bit
- 8:58S8: because I'm going to whip through it. But you need
- 9:00S8: to know that I'm still standing, and God is faithful. Uh,
- 9:03S8: just quickly. I grew up in a large family where
- 9:05S8: I knew God was real. I felt his presence as
- 9:08S8: a child, but it wasn't a mainstream evangelical denomination, so
- 9:12S8: the gospel was not preached. But I'm telling you, as
- 9:14S8: a child, I sensed God's presence. And then I suffered
- 9:17S8: two traumas at the hands of teenage boys. One at
- 9:20S8: age nine. It was a sexual trauma. I was pinned down.
- 9:22S8: Number two trauma. I was age ten, and I literally
- 9:25S8: was like four feet tall. It was this small little
- 9:27S8: thing walking home from school, and a handful of large
- 9:31S8: teenage boys jumped me and knocked me to the ground
- 9:34S8: and pummeled me and beat me. And I still remember
- 9:37S8: the crazed look in their eyes, so I'm quite sure
- 9:39S8: they were high on something, but they were kicking me,
- 9:41S8: pulling fistfuls of hair, punching my face. I was curled
- 9:44S8: in a ball and and I've said this to you
- 9:46S8: guys before, and I've done a lot of work around healing.
- 9:48S8: But to this day, if I see a real of
- 9:51S8: someone getting pummeled or even getting beat up, it sends
- 9:54S8: a neurological surge through my body that I feel for
- 9:56S8: about 2 or 3 days because it's so demonic. It's
- 9:59S8: just so demonic to do that to a person, especially
- 10:01S8: a little girl. And I get up and they are
- 10:04S8: laughing as they're walking away going, can you believe we
- 10:06S8: did that to her? And laughing. And I heard in
- 10:09S8: my ear, I can get you any time, anywhere and
- 10:12S8: God will never stop me. And that is the moment
- 10:15S8: I knew the devil was real too. And a spirit
- 10:18S8: of fear got in me so big that I had
- 10:20S8: a core belief as a child, I'm going to have
- 10:22S8: to endure everything I fear. I came to Christ as
- 10:25S8: a young teenager and then in my young 20s, got married,
- 10:29S8: and we had some high risk pregnancies. During one of
- 10:32S8: those pregnancies, I was on bed rest for six months
- 10:35S8: with a one and a three year old, and that
- 10:36S8: had its own crisis because I, you know, when I
- 10:39S8: came into Christianity and then as a young adult, I'm
- 10:41S8: serving in five capacities in church, partly because I was
- 10:44S8: passionate about Jesus, but partly I was still earning my way.
- 10:47S8: You know, I knew I was saved, I did not
- 10:49S8: know I was loved. And when you put to bed
- 10:51S8: rest and you can't, you know, you've got people bringing in,
- 10:54S8: you know, meals and watching your kids and you're watching
- 10:56S8: them get exhausted on your behalf. It confronted all of
- 11:00S8: the trauma, all the insecurity, all the core identity issues
- 11:03S8: I had. And again, long story short, one day of
- 11:06S8: the six months of bed rest, the docs let me
- 11:08S8: get up to just see if I could handle being
- 11:11S8: up without going into labor. I met my old college
- 11:13S8: roommates for lunch and for a short walk on a
- 11:16S8: fall day in the Midwest. And unknowingly was bit by
- 11:19S8: the deer tick. Within two weeks of that outing, my
- 11:22S8: face went numb. My arms went numb, the vision blurred.
- 11:25S8: My memory started to go. And, um, late 20s at
- 11:28S8: this point. Anyway, uh, a year later found out I
- 11:32S8: had was contracted Lyme disease. The deer tick latched on,
- 11:35S8: deposited its bacteria and dropped off. And I heard the
- 11:39S8: lie again. I can get you any time, anywhere. God
- 11:41S8: will never stop me. And that began about a seven
- 11:44S8: year hellish battle with Lyme. And. And then for 20 years,
- 11:48S8: it was cyclical. But I'm a fighter, I came back.
- 11:51S8: I taught aerobics, I did everything I could. I was
- 11:53S8: probably on a scale of 1 to 10, living at
- 11:55S8: a five, sometimes a six. But four times a year
- 11:58S8: for sure, I would have massive relapse. Go to bed,
- 12:00S8: face numb, arms numb, couldn't get out of bed and
- 12:03S8: would feel crummy for a few weeks. And so for
- 12:05S8: 20 years I had a cyclical battle and never felt great.
- 12:08S8: But at least I could do life. And then ten
- 12:10S8: years ago, I had a massive, horrifying relapse. And apparently
- 12:14S8: people with chronic Lyme can't process mold, and I've been
- 12:17S8: unknowingly exposed to black mold and it caused brain damage.
- 12:21S8: So I'd be on the air interviewing guests and I.
- 12:24S8: You guys know what that's like. You have a lot
- 12:25S8: of moving pieces. A lot. You're watching behind the scenes,
- 12:28S8: watching my clock, listening to my producer looking at my notes,
- 12:30S8: and my tongue went numb. My chin went numb. I
- 12:33S8: suddenly couldn't remember what I was saying. I was writing
- 12:36S8: a book. My umpteenth book couldn't remember how to spell
- 12:39S8: basic words, and my brain and cognitive function spiralled and
- 12:44S8: I had brain damage from mold toxicity. And so seven
- 12:47S8: years and you guys were with me through that. I
- 12:49S8: came on the show many times, bleeding under my armor,
- 12:52S8: literally army crawling through that time. And I'm still battling,
- 12:56S8: but nothing like I was. I'm functioning and I've come
- 13:00S8: a long way, but there's not probably been a day
- 13:02S8: in 36 years that I haven't battled symptoms, and I
- 13:05S8: have to fight really hard to feel well. And so
- 13:09S8: that's when you read my books or hear me talk.
- 13:11S8: You may hear this language of contending for the promise.
- 13:14S8: It's the only way I'm standing. You know, none of
- 13:17S8: the abundant life came wrapped up in a nice bow
- 13:19S8: on my doorstep. Because we have a thief. And his
- 13:22S8: aim is to steal, kill and destroy. But when you
- 13:24S8: get to know what God has promised and what Jesus won,
- 13:27S8: you got to rise up and say, well, that's mine
- 13:29S8: and you don't get to have that. And that's the
- 13:30S8: only way I've known to navigate this faith journey is
- 13:33S8: to stand in faith and to believe those promises have
- 13:36S8: my name on them.
- 13:37S7: Contending for the promise. Love that term. Some people could
- 13:41S7: take that as I need to suck it up. You
- 13:44S7: have a different angle on that. Why don't you share that?
- 13:47S8: Well, definitely. There's no sucking it up because you have.
- 13:50S8: You're no match for the enemy of your soul. But
- 13:52S8: Jesus said in Luke 1019, I have given you authority
- 13:55S8: over all the power of the enemy. You can walk
- 13:57S8: among snakes and scorpions and crush them, and nothing will
- 14:00S8: by any means injure you. And remember, as a young mom,
- 14:03S8: the Lord is like, did you become a believer just
- 14:05S8: to secure your eternity? Or because you actually believe this stuff? Like,
- 14:09S8: when are you going to shift your weight onto the
- 14:10S8: promises to see if they hold? Because every time you're
- 14:12S8: beholding all this fear, because the symptoms are terrifying. Every
- 14:15S8: time you're beholding all this fear, you're turning your back
- 14:18S8: on faith. But when you behold faith, you can put
- 14:21S8: that fear under your feet. And I got to just
- 14:23S8: tell you one more verse. James four seven says, Submit
- 14:26S8: to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
- 14:29S8: Submit to God is actually a military term. And what
- 14:32S8: it means is get back in rank And you are
- 14:35S8: out of rank in any way. You've got no authority.
- 14:37S8: Watchman nee said you can't have authority unless you're under authority.
- 14:40S8: How do you get out of rank? Well, let's see
- 14:42S8: you harbor a grudge. Unforgiveness. You accuse God of things
- 14:45S8: the devil's guilty of. You live a duplicitous life. You're
- 14:48S8: dabbling in sin and pretending that you're not. The enemy's
- 14:51S8: a legalist. So if you're out of rank, he has
- 14:53S8: legal right to attack you. And what he loves is
- 14:56S8: then we blame God for all of our hardship. So
- 14:59S8: I'm not saying all your troubles are always your fault,
- 15:01S8: but my first course of action when I'm under fire
- 15:03S8: is search me, O God. You know, test me, know me,
- 15:06S8: show me anything in me. And if I don't find anything,
- 15:09S8: I just know I'm in a battle and I armor
- 15:11S8: up and I fight back. But if the Lord shows
- 15:13S8: me first, I go to repentance, I submit to God.
- 15:16S8: So that's your first step in that, in that process
- 15:18S8: of James four seven and then it says, resist the
- 15:21S8: devil and he will flee. He has to flee. So
- 15:24S8: I often say, if you were to peel back the
- 15:25S8: sky and see the cosmic battle, you would see some
- 15:28S8: Christians running for their lives, because the enemy prowls like
- 15:32S8: a lion, like a lion, and they don't know their authority.
- 15:34S8: So he's roaring, they're running. And then the other camps,
- 15:37S8: you see Christians putting a flag in the ground, stomping
- 15:40S8: their feet, going, get out and stay out in the
- 15:43S8: name of Jesus. You can't have my family, so you're
- 15:46S8: not standing in your strength. You're standing in the authority
- 15:48S8: of Almighty God. There's a big difference. And on your
- 15:51S8: weakest day, I've done that on my sick bed. I
- 15:54S8: have sent missiles into enemy camp. And last thing I
- 15:56S8: want to say about this is you don't have to
- 15:58S8: feel well to be powerful in prayer.
- 16:01S7: Amen. Susie Larson, our guest. And Susie, this leads to
- 16:06S7: something that is becoming just this grow. I've had it
- 16:09S7: growing here for 11 years, and it keeps building and
- 16:14S7: building and building. And the only analogy I can have
- 16:17S7: is the classic iceberg. We often focus on the spiritual disciplines,
- 16:23S7: not all bad, but the spiritual disciplines of getting to church, worship,
- 16:28S7: corporate worship, giving to each other as they have need.
- 16:31S7: I need. I mean, that's beautiful discipline, getting to small group,
- 16:34S7: getting into study. I have a growing conviction and I
- 16:38S7: know you live this, so I want you to respond
- 16:40S7: to this question. Is it time for the church in
- 16:44S7: the West to come back to the unseen disciplines? I
- 16:47S7: think Foster and Willard called them the private disciplines or
- 16:50S7: something like that. But it's confession, it's introspection. It's saying,
- 16:57S7: as David did, oh, God, I don't know myself. Search me,
- 17:01S7: know me, try me, lead me in the way everlasting.
- 17:05S8: I can't agree with you any more than I do.
- 17:08S8: I feel an urgency for the church to wake up
- 17:11S8: and to tuck themselves under the wing of the Most
- 17:13S8: High God, to find intimacy. You know, the Lord has
- 17:17S8: had me pray Psalm 27 so much. This isn't full memory,
- 17:19S8: because when I memorize, I try to do word for word.
- 17:22S8: But just let me say this because it's been my
- 17:24S8: prayer for the last year and you just gotta. There's
- 17:27S8: so much power in it. But the Lord is my
- 17:29S8: light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear? The Lord
- 17:32S8: is the stronghold of my life. Of whom shall I
- 17:34S8: be afraid? When evil men attack me, they will stumble
- 17:37S8: and fall. If an army breaks out against me, my
- 17:40S8: heart will not fear. Even if war surrounds me, I
- 17:43S8: will remain confident. Why? One thing I ask, and that
- 17:46S8: I may seek. That I may dwell in the house
- 17:48S8: of the Lord all the days of my life, that
- 17:50S8: I would behold his beauty, that I would meditate on
- 17:53S8: his perfections, that he would conceal me in his sanctuary,
- 17:57S8: lifting me high above my enemy, placing me on a
- 18:00S8: rock where my head is above my enemy. And from
- 18:02S8: there I will offer shouts of joy and sacrifices of praise.
- 18:05S8: I want to just zoom out here, okay? We tend
- 18:08S8: to need all of our ducks in a row for
- 18:09S8: us to be joyful. To us to think God is good.
- 18:12S8: And he's like, you know what? If evil people attack me? Whatever.
- 18:16S8: You know, if a war surrounds me, whatever. What I
- 18:19S8: need is intimacy with God in the sanctuary to be
- 18:23S8: hidden with him and to behold. Because what you behold,
- 18:26S8: you become. So I'm beholding his perfections, because from that
- 18:30S8: place I see everything is going to work out. I
- 18:32S8: see that he works all things together for the good.
- 18:35S8: But if you neglect that place and you live in
- 18:38S8: the shallows. I'm telling you, friend, and I rarely talk
- 18:41S8: like this. But I do believe this is a word
- 18:43S8: of the Lord. We are coming into a day where
- 18:45S8: your old disciplines will not serve you. You can't just
- 18:48S8: phone it in, you can't dabble. You've got to immerse
- 18:51S8: yourself in the word, immerse yourself in his presence. Make
- 18:54S8: a case for the goodness of God. So when evil
- 18:57S8: men attack you, when it seems like you're surrounded by trouble,
- 19:00S8: you're like, whatever. That may be true, but truer still is.
- 19:03S8: The presence of God is my good. And it's where
- 19:06S8: I get perspective, even on my enemies that's thundering in
- 19:10S8: my spirit. It's always amazing how you and I track,
- 19:13S8: but I do believe this is an urgent word of
- 19:15S8: the Lord not to put us in fear, but to
- 19:17S8: put us in a place of faith that those. When
- 19:19S8: you think about when my enemy attacks me, he will
- 19:22S8: stumble and fall. What it reminds me of is when
- 19:23S8: our boys were little, they're grown now. My husband's six three.
- 19:26S8: He's an oak of righteousness. And those little guys would
- 19:29S8: run into him altogether at the same time to try
- 19:32S8: to take him out. And they would bounce off of
- 19:34S8: him and fall on their bum. And I feel like
- 19:36S8: when you're in the Lord and the enemy comes against you,
- 19:39S8: he will stumble and fall. So real quick, let me
- 19:42S8: take you back to that cosmic picture. When you're standing
- 19:44S8: in your authority. You don't have to physically feel strong,
- 19:47S8: but you got to know who God is. Know who
- 19:49S8: you are. Get in rank. So that means walk in
- 19:51S8: the fear of God and deal with your sin. Then
- 19:54S8: rise up and resist that devil. He's running for his life,
- 19:57S8: and if he's not running for his life in your life,
- 20:00S8: it's because he's camping on the hope that you don't
- 20:03S8: know who you are and what you have because of
- 20:05S8: what Jesus did.
- 20:06S7: Susie, I couldn't agree more. And we are on the
- 20:09S7: same page. I want to because one thing that has
- 20:12S7: been so lost in our knowledge brokering Western church is
- 20:17S7: that if I know more, I'm going to do better.
- 20:21S7: It's ironic that Jesus said it's not about knowledge, it's
- 20:23S7: about application of that knowledge, and even deeper still, it's
- 20:26S7: about intimacy with God. I want you in just a
- 20:30S7: moment to tackle this topic of approaching the Word of
- 20:34S7: God from a standpoint of communion with God, rather than
- 20:38S7: obeying God as a rule. More with Susie Larson coming up.
- 20:43S1: You've got questions. They've got answers. It's Ask the Experts
- 20:48S1: week with Carl and crew.
- 20:50S4: We've got Susie Larson with us and our Ask the
- 20:52S4: Expert series, well known radio talk show host. We've covered
- 20:55S4: a lot of ground already. Text goodness. If you want
- 20:58S4: more of her resources, she has daily devotionals, many books.
- 21:02S4: Just text goodness to 800 555 7898. Goodness 800 555
- 21:09S4: 7898 Susie.
- 21:11S7: Let's get let's get after this. Uh, the word of God.
- 21:14S7: We know that we've struggled in the West with knowledge brokering. Basically,
- 21:18S7: church became I know this. What do you know without
- 21:21S7: even saying that necessarily. And some people feel insecure because
- 21:25S7: they don't know a lot of the word. The challenge
- 21:28S7: there is that it's the application of the word that
- 21:30S7: makes us survive storms, not the not mere knowledge of it.
- 21:34S7: Jesus said that in the sermon on the Mount, but
- 21:36S7: even getting into the pages of Scripture were really. And
- 21:39S7: I know this sounds crazy for a big old Iditarod
- 21:41S7: runner Alaska dude here, but I'm going to do it.
- 21:43S7: I'm going to say it. We're getting into the into
- 21:46S7: the arms of God. And that's not nothing, is it, Susie?
- 21:50S8: Oh, that's everything Scripture says. Knowledge puffs up, but love
- 21:54S8: builds up. Scripture also says the kingdom of God is
- 21:57S8: not a matter of talk, but of power. And when
- 22:00S8: we get in our heads too much and it's just
- 22:02S8: theological banter and discussion and you think you're superior because
- 22:06S8: of your knowledge, well, you've already distanced yourself from God
- 22:10S8: because he distances himself from the proud. He draws near
- 22:12S8: and gives grace to the humble. It's interesting. I don't
- 22:14S8: know if you've read anything of Artie Kendall. Yes, I
- 22:17S8: love his work. I just he's got such depth and humility.
- 22:21S8: And I think he has more than one doctorate. I'm
- 22:23S8: not sure about that, but one. He was interviewed recently
- 22:25S8: and they asked him for advice and he said, you know,
- 22:28S8: he said, if I could go back, if I could
- 22:30S8: give advice to my younger self or anybody else who's
- 22:32S8: younger than me, he said, I wouldn't necessarily tell them
- 22:36S8: to go to seminary, he said. And I'm not dissing seminary.
- 22:38S8: He wasn't either. But he's saying the most important two
- 22:41S8: things that you can do is read your Bible and pray.
- 22:44S8: Like immerse yourself in the Word of God. And when
- 22:46S8: you were talking about knowledge, I started to think, what
- 22:48S8: are the places where the word no shows up in Scripture?
- 22:52S8: It's often yadah. It's that word of intimate knowing and
- 22:56S8: in the physical realm, it's like a knowing between a
- 22:59S8: husband and a wife. And in the spiritual realm, it's
- 23:02S8: experientially encountering God in the very places where you're restless
- 23:07S8: or you're tempted to struggle. Like Psalm 4610, be still
- 23:11S8: and know that I am God. I will be exalted
- 23:13S8: in the nations. I will be exalted in the earth.
- 23:16S8: Be still or cease. Striving means these things. Let go,
- 23:19S8: sink down, relax, and in some cases be quiet. Now,
- 23:22S8: if you're hyper responsible, that feels irresponsible in the very
- 23:26S8: areas of your restlessness. Maybe it's finances or your prodigal.
- 23:29S8: It's your marriage, your body image. What if in those
- 23:32S8: places God says, stop striving, stop trying to do this
- 23:35S8: on your own. Stop scrolling and trying to get all
- 23:38S8: the knowledge you can on Instagram. Stop it. Let go.
- 23:42S8: Sink down. Which means put your roots down into the
- 23:44S8: father's love, even relax. Which means just rest in his presence.
- 23:48S8: And then in some cases, be quiet. It means if
- 23:50S8: your words are bearing witness against God's promises, just stop talking.
- 23:55S8: And then it says, and know that he is God.
- 23:57S8: That word, again, is an intimate, experiential encounter. And so
- 24:01S8: this is the invitation from the Lord that in the
- 24:04S8: places of striving, in the places of pride, in the
- 24:08S8: places where you're doing the bootstrap theology thing, he's like, stop,
- 24:11S8: don't do it. You're not doing me any favors or
- 24:13S8: you're doing yourself any favors. No, me here encounter me here.
- 24:18S8: I set a table for you in the presence of
- 24:20S8: your enemy. Experience me here. And then finally, in Ephesians,
- 24:23S8: it says to know this love is to be filled
- 24:27S8: with the fullness of God.
- 24:28S4: Susie Larson, our guest this morning. You know, Susie, when
- 24:31S4: when you talk about, like, putting those roots down deep
- 24:35S4: and preparing, you know, you can start to live waiting
- 24:38S4: for the other shoe to drop, particularly if you've been
- 24:41S4: through difficulty before. And you can be both preparing. But
- 24:44S4: I know you've talked about sort of having locked elbows,
- 24:47S4: kind of where you're bracing yourself. How do you do both,
- 24:50S4: where you know that there could be difficult days ahead?
- 24:53S4: There will be difficult days ahead, but I don't want
- 24:55S4: to live with my elbows locked.
- 24:58S8: Boy, thank you for asking that, Allie, because that's huge
- 25:00S8: on my heart. Because I lived bracing for impact, because
- 25:03S8: of the unpredictable nature of the disease that I've battled. And.
- 25:07S8: And if it's okay if I say this, my book
- 25:09S8: waking Up to the Goodness of God literally is a
- 25:11S8: 40 day heart brain reset to move out of bracing
- 25:15S8: for impact to retrain your heart and mind to anticipate
- 25:18S8: the goodness of God. And the only reason I say
- 25:20S8: that is because you can't do both at the same time.
- 25:22S8: You can't brace for impact, live with elbows locked, and
- 25:25S8: then turn your hands up and humbly live with expectancy
- 25:28S8: that God is up to something good. You cannot do
- 25:30S8: those both at the same time, because self-preservation is the
- 25:34S8: antithesis of the kingdom of God. So what the Lord
- 25:37S8: showed me is that when you're in that posture, you're
- 25:40S8: in a spirit of fear. And there's no fear in love.
- 25:44S8: Perfect love casts out fear, and perfect love doesn't mean
- 25:47S8: you have to love him perfectly. It means perfected love.
- 25:49S8: It means matured love. Like, the more that you grow
- 25:52S8: in the knowledge of God's love for you, that it
- 25:54S8: undergirds everything that you are, the less real estate fear
- 25:58S8: will have in your life and how you move from
- 26:01S8: bracing for impact. Because yes, the culture is swirling all
- 26:04S8: around us, but there's so much in Scripture to say,
- 26:07S8: you know what? Culture was swirling around them too. But
- 26:10S8: be still. Like, look at Psalm 46. People put that
- 26:13S8: Psalm 46 be still and know that I am God
- 26:15S8: in soft songs and on pretty pictures. But if you
- 26:18S8: look in context, the nation's thunder and rumble, there's storms
- 26:21S8: going on and God's voice thunders over the chaos. My
- 26:25S8: voice is superior still to everything you're hearing in culture.
- 26:28S8: Be still. We've got to somehow learn to turn down
- 26:32S8: the noise and the way that I moved from bracing
- 26:35S8: for impact to really building a case for the goodness
- 26:38S8: of God and going, you know what? In this mess,
- 26:40S8: he's got something up his sovereign sleeve. The way I
- 26:42S8: did it was I started to realize that his goodness
- 26:46S8: was all around me. But you can't look at that
- 26:48S8: and look at your fears at the same time. You
- 26:50S8: can't even brain science says you can't at once be
- 26:53S8: grateful and anxious or be grateful and fearful. So to
- 26:57S8: move into that place where I looked at every good
- 27:01S8: thing in my life today that I would so miss
- 27:04S8: if it were gone tomorrow. And I saw it with
- 27:05S8: a gift tag to Susie, from God to Susie from God.
- 27:09S8: And everywhere I looked I saw the goodness of God.
- 27:12S8: And let me just say one last thing about this.
- 27:14S8: I submit to you that you can count your blessings
- 27:17S8: in a way that does not move the heart of
- 27:19S8: God and does not change you. But you have the
- 27:22S8: emotion of gratitude where you literally your senses feel it,
- 27:26S8: that creates neuropathways, that awakens faith. And that's the offering
- 27:31S8: that pleases God. Where you sit with your blessing for
- 27:33S8: a minute, like look at your spouse and go, man,
- 27:35S8: I love them. Listen to your children and go, wow,
- 27:38S8: God has given me something. Look at the food on
- 27:40S8: your table and go. Every good gift comes from his
- 27:43S8: hand and sit in it. Because we sit on social media,
- 27:46S8: we put our faces in front of that news and
- 27:48S8: we're beholding all that stuff. How about you start to
- 27:51S8: behold the goodness of God, and you're going to suddenly
- 27:54S8: realize I'm still standing? I have a history with God,
- 27:57S8: which means I have a future with him, too. Yeah,
- 28:00S8: but you're not going to default to those places. You
- 28:02S8: have to apply yourself to them.
- 28:04S7: Susie Larson, our guest right now, and some of you
- 28:06S7: are like, oh, excuse me, is there a key word
- 28:10S7: in this segment somewhere? Here we have it for you.
- 28:13S4: Text goodness to 800 555 7898. Goodness to 800 555 7898.
- 28:21S7: Coming up, I got in a car and drove about
- 28:23S7: 70 miles down the road to go to a farm
- 28:27S7: and grab from a guy that he had on marketplace,
- 28:30S7: a yoke, and it was because of a new discovery
- 28:34S7: I had found. And I want Susie to interact with
- 28:37S7: that straight ahead.
- 28:39S1: When you don't know who's better to ask than an expert,
- 28:43S1: you're listening to Carl and crew.
- 28:45S7: It's Ask the Experts week. Susie Larson with us. Susie,
- 28:50S7: I was on Facebook Marketplace. Kind of a scary thing,
- 28:54S7: I thought, but I needed to find something quick and
- 28:57S7: it flowed out of this great invitation. Come to me,
- 29:01S7: all who are weary and heavy laden. I'll give you rest.
- 29:04S7: Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for
- 29:06S7: I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will
- 29:08S7: find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy
- 29:10S7: and my burden is light. So I found a yoke
- 29:14S7: for oxen. That was an old one. It's over a
- 29:18S7: hundred years old, and I thought, I gotta go get it.
- 29:20S7: He wanted 200 bucks. I thought that was a steal.
- 29:22S7: It's probably worth two grand. In my mind's eye. So
- 29:25S7: I went and got it and did some more deep
- 29:27S7: diving before I took it as a illustration to our
- 29:30S7: church campuses here. Oh, Susie, we have misunderstood this. This
- 29:37S7: is when we talk about relationship with Jesus. It's not
- 29:40S7: like he's distant. He's right there with us. He says,
- 29:43S7: come get yoked with me. I'm going to teach you.
- 29:46S7: I'm going to guide you. That personal relationship with Jesus
- 29:51S7: is beautiful. How does that work in your life right now?
- 29:55S8: I love that you did that. I wonder if that's
- 29:58S8: your next book. I mean, that's not what you're asking
- 30:01S8: me about, but I just you got to let that
- 30:02S8: in because that is so powerful. I would say to
- 30:06S8: you that the recipe for flourishing to me is twofold,
- 30:11S8: and Jesus modeled it all over the place. It's deep
- 30:14S8: rest and purposeful faith. When you sign up for things
- 30:18S8: God never asked of you, you don't realize it. But
- 30:20S8: it not only wears you out, but it makes you
- 30:23S8: spiritually vulnerable. Because when you're committing to all good things,
- 30:26S8: that and they may be really good for the kingdom,
- 30:29S8: but they're not God things for you. We have a
- 30:32S8: propensity to do that. We get exhausted, and when you
- 30:35S8: get exhausted, you literally squander more time than you redeem.
- 30:38S8: And then you take shortcuts that you never intended. I
- 30:42S8: once did a show years ago when I was writing
- 30:44S8: another book on this topic, and I asked people to
- 30:46S8: call in anonymously. I said, if you are kind of
- 30:48S8: a high level leader at church, and you just kept
- 30:50S8: taking on more and more because there was nobody else,
- 30:53S8: there was a need, I can do it. You're one
- 30:55S8: of the 20% doing everything, and you got exhausted and
- 30:58S8: you kind of tried to, you know, grind it out.
- 31:00S8: And in one moment you made a decision that collapsed
- 31:04S8: your reputation or your life. Call in. You would not
- 31:08S8: believe the whole show. I got calls and people saying,
- 31:11S8: you know, I was an elder, I was a leader,
- 31:12S8: I was a pastor. But I got so tired I
- 31:15S8: wasn't in my right mind. And what happens is you
- 31:17S8: want to you want to feel relief. You know, you
- 31:20S8: do the dopamine hit which, you know, you could teach
- 31:22S8: on that all day long, Karl. And but it is
- 31:25S8: so unbelievable that when we get exhausted, it's not only unsustainable,
- 31:30S8: it makes us spiritually vulnerable. So the recipe for vitality
- 31:34S8: is to, I would say, put all your stuff on
- 31:36S8: the table going, Lord, are you still blessing this? Is
- 31:38S8: there anything that needs to come off my table? Because
- 31:41S8: your yoke is easy, your burden is light, so purposeful.
- 31:44S8: Rest is not scrolling, it's not binge watching. And I'm
- 31:47S8: not being a legalist. Do that if you want to
- 31:48S8: have fun. But if you're exhausted, that will not fill you.
- 31:51S8: I'm saying put on a worship playlist. You know, songs
- 31:55S8: that just sing over you or the scriptures. Just listen.
- 31:58S8: Have communion. Do something that is purposeful rest that brings replenishment.
- 32:03S8: And the way that, you know, it's working is creativity
- 32:06S8: will start to rise up, life will spring up, inspiration
- 32:09S8: will come back. And the thing is, when you're exhausted,
- 32:12S8: it leads to passive faith. You loosen the grip on
- 32:15S8: the promises of God and you lose your way. So
- 32:17S8: once you get that deep rest, look at the promises
- 32:20S8: God has made. Look at the battles you're facing and say, Lord,
- 32:23S8: I want to reset. I want to take a firm
- 32:25S8: grip with my tired hands. I'm going to strengthen my
- 32:28S8: weak knees. I'm going to mark out a straight path
- 32:30S8: for my feet. Why? So that the lame who are
- 32:32S8: watching me will not fall out of the race and
- 32:35S8: give up, because a lot of people are watching you.
- 32:37S8: Deep rest, purposeful faith is being yoked with Jesus. He
- 32:41S8: never wasted a minute. And so when he was resting,
- 32:44S8: there was purpose in it. When he was working, there
- 32:46S8: was purpose in it.
- 32:47S4: Susie Larson, if you want more of this guests and
- 32:50S4: I know you do, this is really nourishing the soul
- 32:53S4: of many of you who have been through difficulty, who
- 32:56S4: are fighting for faith. Text goodness to 855 five 7898. Text.
- 33:03S4: Goodness to 800 555 7898.
- 33:07S1: Get in the know with life's biggest questions. It's Ask
- 33:10S1: the Experts week with Carl and crew.
- 33:12S6: Well, I hope.
- 33:13S4: You've been enjoying our Ask the Expert series. So many
- 33:17S4: great experts this week. If you missed anything. Text show
- 33:19S4: to (800) 555-7898. Just text the word show. Susie Larson has
- 33:25S4: been so gracious with her time this morning. You know
- 33:28S4: we are in share. We're moving into the bulk of it,
- 33:31S4: the meat of it next week. But, Susie, give us
- 33:34S4: your heart. I know you are our love. Radio. Because
- 33:37S4: you do radio as well. Why is investing in something
- 33:41S4: like Moody Radio a good investment?
- 33:44S8: Wow. Well, first of all, Moody Radio is my home
- 33:47S8: away from home. And just because someone calls himself a
- 33:51S8: Christian or an organization calls itself a Christian radio station
- 33:54S8: does not mean you're going to get the same thing
- 33:56S8: when you travel around and listen. There's different priorities. Moody
- 33:59S8: radio oozes biblical truth. Moody radio is like a plumb line.
- 34:04S8: I mean, any way you slice it, anytime you listen,
- 34:07S8: you're getting biblical truth. So let me just make that
- 34:09S8: case to begin with. We are called to disciple the nations.
- 34:12S8: We are called to change the world. And most of
- 34:14S8: us can't do that and reach hundreds of thousands, if
- 34:17S8: not millions on our own. But when you give through
- 34:21S8: Moody Radio, you're literally changing the world. And if I
- 34:24S8: could reduce it to a statement, give a gift, change
- 34:26S8: a life. And if you have an eternal perspective and
- 34:29S8: you give through Moody Radio going, Lord, I want to
- 34:31S8: change the world. And here's one way I can do it.
- 34:33S8: Because this this medium of communication of live radio and
- 34:38S8: audio and podcasts after the fact, is landing on hearts
- 34:41S8: that I can't even imagine. But in heaven, someday I
- 34:44S8: will see the fruit. I will have a line of
- 34:46S8: people saying, you know what? I was about to leave
- 34:48S8: my marriage. I heard the right word at the right time.
- 34:50S8: And I turned around and I repented and I reconnected
- 34:53S8: in my family. I was about to take my life,
- 34:55S8: but I heard the right song at the right time
- 34:57S8: and God showed me he had a plan for me.
- 34:59S8: Those are the testimonies. You may not see this side
- 35:02S8: of eternity, but friends, we are called to live with
- 35:05S8: eternity in mind, and we have to step out of
- 35:07S8: our small story into a story that's bigger than we are.
- 35:11S8: If we want to make the kind of kingdom difference
- 35:13S8: God has called us to again, you might not have
- 35:15S8: the the capacity to reach millions, but if you give
- 35:18S8: through Moody Radio, you totally are doing that and you're
- 35:21S8: being faithful to the great call on your life.
- 35:23S6: Beautiful.
- 35:24S7: It doesn't get any better than that.
- 35:26S4: Wow. Susie Larson has been our guest this morning. Text
- 35:29S4: goodness to 800 555 7898. Get connected to all of
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- 35:41S4: And again, if you've missed this conversation, part of it
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