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It is ok to grieve for our pets and furry family members · Inspiring Stories

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the picture of the radiant.
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Speaker 2: Rat.
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Speaker 3: You readything to me?
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Speaker 4: Oh well, well.
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Speaker 3: Say, oh well.
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Speaker 4: Not bad.
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Speaker 3: I just see.
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Speaker 2: So canashion he is dead?
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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back everybody. Our next guest he Andrew Beckson
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is a grief counselor a and we work together, kind
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of work together at Sarria Hospice. And here's a little
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bit about Andrew. Andrew is a registered professional counselor, a
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Master Practitioner in Clinical Counseling, family mediator, instructor facilitator with
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over ten years experience in supporting children, youth, adults, and
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seniors in their grief and lost journeys through his work
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with Place, Friends for Life, Moving Forward Family Services and
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his private counseling practice. Andrew is a highly skilled and
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knowledgeable in grief and bereavement. He has gathered positive feedback
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that his empathetic, caring, compassionate and sensitive approach has installed,
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installed hope and a new sense of purpose to those
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who have worked with him. So we're actually going to
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talk to him about his new and latest project, PET Bereavement.
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So it's it is something that a lot of people
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don't really think about, but it is a real thing.
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And Andrew is going to tell us how his latest
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project and how you can can join the very first
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first group that he is starting around this particular project.
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So why don't we welcome Andrew Beckson to the show.
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Welcome to the show, Andrew. How did you come up
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with the idea for a pet bereavement group.
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Speaker 5: Well, I've always had a love of animals ever since
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I've been a child, and that's continued throughout my life, childhood, adolescence, adulthood.
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Whenever I see people where I go for walk who've
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got an animal, whether it be a dog, typically, I
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always always just feel this connection, you know, there's this
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longing that that I want to connect in somewhere, and
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it's hard to explain. It's it's just been around for many,
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many years. At the same time, I've and I pups
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used the word for fortunate to be around animals who've died,
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and I need to explain what I mean by that.
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It's a privilege to be there, you know, at that
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those final moments, and I always hope that maybe my
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presence might have some positive bearing on that transition, you know,
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when they were that animal is about to pass. And
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I've had all kinds of experiences. Many of them have
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not been planned, they've been spontaneous. For example, oh god,
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it must have been about five years ago. I remember
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going for a walk and I saw a little garden
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snake and I think it had been run over, and
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you could tell the nerves were still moving. The animal
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had basically come to the end of its life, but
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there's still that movement in the body, you know, And
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and I just leant down and just placed my palms
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like this, as if focusing some energy. And it just
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felt this intuitive need to do that, you know, just
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to be part of that, and just didn't feel comfortable
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seeing this animal that I guessed I don't know, but
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I guessed a tire had got over. It's very small snake,
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probably probably a couple of feet long, maybe less, so
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it had been squashed. And yeah, it's easy to look
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at that snake shriveled up carry on walking, but I didn't.
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I just did that, and although very very sad, it
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felt the right thing to do at the time. So
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the things like this, I've had these experiences, many of
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them spontaneous, but I think it leads to my interest
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in pets and animals and in grief, not just with
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people who've passed and bereavement, but also very much with
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animals too.
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Speaker 6: Well, I want to get back to the breathing in
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the second, but I wouldn't want to get a basic
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understanding and belief out of you. You believe that did
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animals have living spirits inside of them? Right?
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Speaker 5: Yes? Sure, that's a that's the belief I have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
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But people are going to have all different viewpoints. I mean,
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it's not just so with people. When when we pass
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with an animal pasties or human being pasties, what happens next?
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It's the big question, and there's many many viewpoints on that.
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But using the term as spirit, it often is connected
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with with with animals or people who pass, you know.
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And but again there's very different viewpoints on on on
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what happens next.
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Speaker 6: Well, as far as the spirit is concerned, we can
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go into like lots of different researches and things things
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like that. It would include anything that it did is
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actually alive. But we're just going to stick with with
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with with animals and human beings for for now. So,
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but when when any be loved creature passes, we have bereavement.
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Speaker 5: Right, yes, yes, uh. And and that can be all
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kinds of different experiences. And when we I hear the
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way to breathe often think about emotional attachment too, because
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that can have a huge influence on what that bereavement
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looks like.
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Speaker 6: For instance, like our next fur neighbors the their their
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dog Walter. Walter was a wonderful dog, big, fair of
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a looking dog with a gentle kind uh kind of being,
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and and he passed. He passed on because of some
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sort of tumor or something like that. Uh, But the
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the memorialized him in their own way, had a celebration
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of his life between with the family and everything. You know,
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it's the same as you would any other loved one
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in your family.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And and the pain of missing that animal
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and all that person it can be the same. I
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mean I never really make a distinction between animal and
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people when it comes to that. Some people are incredibly
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attached to their pets, and the thoughts of them leaving
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is one that many don't really want to consider, but
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that time will come and and the impact can be
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very similar. So we get what did that attachment look like?
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How much did you love being around that personal that animal,
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and how you feel afterwards. You know, I knew some people.
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It just shows how different it is for different people
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lost a cat. We loved cat, very very sad, but
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they came to the end. And I remember someone saying
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to me, oh, so you're going to get another cat.
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Then it's as if it's an item at a store
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that I can just pick up and replace. You know,
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this one didn't work like another. I thought, oh no,
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you know, it was so painful the process, just what
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happened next. Just missed this tiny little animal that would
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run around the house and now it's no longer there.
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You missed the little sounds, you know, around the home.
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And it was two years before I got another one. Now,
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compare that to some friends of mine who lost lost
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a cat and the following week they got another. I
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don't think that means that that person's insensitive, nothing like that.
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They missed the company of an animal in the home
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and wanted an animal to replace it. It made their grief
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easier to bear by having a new little four legged
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animal running around the home. But it just shows how
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we can respond very differently. Some of us need that
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period of time, others bring a new animal into their lives.
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And again hopefully they find joy with that new animal
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as well.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well it's like like, yeah, the cat may may
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have played a different role in one house versus the other,
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or held a different different value. None, it's not a
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right or wrong situations. It's a different situation.
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Speaker 5: Right, mm hmm exactly.
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Speaker 6: Oh. So with that being said, because we because we
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we we don't have a lot of time today. You
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you you have started forming a bereavement group around this idea, right.
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Speaker 5: That's right. We have a forthcoming pet loss group that
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runs for six weeks. It's every Thursday night between six
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and seven pm, and it allows, really what we've been
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talking about, people who've lost an animal, are lost a
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pet to join this group and what I'm hoping will
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be a very safe platform for them to share as
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much as they feel they want to share about what's
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that been like for them and how they've coped, and
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to talk about that animal if that will bring them
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some peace, And that's what the group is really about.
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There's no fixed a gender. I think I often go
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by the energy of the group and that was to
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some extent influence what we talk about. But safety is huge,
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you know, when we're feeling very vulnerable, we were experiencing
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all that grief. We want to be sure we can
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be safe to share. And that's what I'm doing my
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very best to create to create this group where people
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can do that and have others who will be empathic
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to what they've been through. So I'm really hoped and
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this is going to be a really good experience for
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everyone who joins.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they use the word impact, and I'm going to
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back it up to empathy. Empathy for the empathetic energy
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with everybody in the group important.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is. People can be very preoccupied,
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maybe even with the loss of a pet. That doesn't
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mean they don't have empathy for others who've experienced a
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loss as well. Everybody can be at different stages. Some
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people it might be a recent loss, but even if
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it's from one of my experience, sometimes it may be
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years ago. Yet there's still that memory and there's still
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maybe some pain attached to that memory. But it's important
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that everybody has a chance to share. So if one
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person was talking all of the time, I think that
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could I imagine that would be difficult. So of course,
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like any group setting, there's and boundaries. They're done respectfully,
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just to make sure everybody has an equal opportunity to share.
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And some may feel they have a lot of empathies.
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Others may find it so difficult because of their own
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challenges they're having with their lost pets. So it's an
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open group. But again the emphasis is on sharing and
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also hopefully all feel they can do so in a
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safe environment.
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Speaker 6: And of course the is a human right.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, or at least an aid of that healing.
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Some of it can be talking about suggestions that may help.
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People may want to share things that have worked for
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them which could be beneficial to other people who are
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in the group, and I'll facilitate that, you know, and
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may look at that, may put out what's helping you
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or maybe what how do you feel about the loss?
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And I may even ask, depending on on the energy
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to see where people around you. Have you thought about
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getting another pet? But that's a question that i'd ask
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face sensitively because we don't want to negate the importance
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of that animal in their lives. But sometimes people feel ready,
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like I was ready, but for me personally it was
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a couple of years. For someone else it was a week.
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It doesn't mean, as I mentioned, earlier that changes anything.
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We're all different, but it's interesting to ask sometimes because
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that way we can we can get an idea of
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how that how much time one needs before they excuse me,
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before they possibly have another animal in their lives.
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Speaker 6: There's very individualized, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: Yes it is. Yes, it's individualized. But you're also come
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into a group to share, and there's no emphasis that
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you have to share. Maybe one week you feel you
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want to and you do, and another week maybe just
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the nature of the common tense because it can bring
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a lot of tears, which are a form of release,
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but can that sharing may look a little bit different
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in another week, So there's no expectation there, but there's
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that opportunity to share with like minded people who have
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a love of animals.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, let me ask you this too.
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Speaker 7: Is is it possible that the the grief of a
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pet could be an underlying thing or overshadowy thing of
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of something else that could be going on.
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Speaker 6: In their lives that they might need to talk about.
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Speaker 5: Could you give me an example?
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Speaker 6: I wish it could, but but I know that sometimes
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when you have some money in counseling, you you discover
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that oh well, yeah, I used to do couples counseling
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as an pastor, and you're talking to them as a
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couple when you discover it is like, oh, well, wait
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a second, you might want to go talk to somebody
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else who's more qualified towards something something else. It would
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happen a couple of times where I had to refer
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to refer someone to larger professional than I could actually handle.
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You know, yeah, wells, because you are that larger professional
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person that I would refer to somebody to It be
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something else there that they that they do need to
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deal with, and it's holding them back from releasing the
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grief of their of their pet.
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Speaker 5: Yes, and I think thank you Michael for elaboration. And
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I think it's also been very respectful where someone's at
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My job would never be to to to tell someone,
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but I might ask a question, have you considered, for example,
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might be a way of saying it, and ultimately it's
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that individual's choice with a so, oh no, I haven't
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thought of that. Maybe I'll look into that. That might
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be a response. So maybe it could be helpful. But
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I also would recognize, like all of us, the limits
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of what I can offer. I think I am qualified
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in certain areas, and there's other areas where I think, oh,
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you know, this could be where another professional may be
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a suitable individual for this person to work with. So
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it all depends on what comes up, but I would
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certainly probably say it like that. You know, have you
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considered this, because I wonder, I'm very careful, I want
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I don't know, so I wonder if this might be
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useful to you, and then you kind of leave it
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with that person, and maybe they do, maybe they don't
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pursue that, but at least it's been put out there
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as an option to maybe follow up.
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Speaker 6: The ultimate thing is to promote the healing.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, exactly, and and maybe some of that healing
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can come from being in that group. I'd like to
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think it could have a contribution. Not everybody likes to
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do things in a group they'd rather than one on one.
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So I imagine people will see how that goes, and
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that might give them an idea of what further support
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that's if they think that's necessary that they may want
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to pursue.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I did read to your list of blades
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and things like that, and you're certified a certified counselor
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and as a professional. You are too, I know you
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are also offer one on one counselor too, right.
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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right. Yeah, and that's through the Hospice Society, sorry,
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Hospice Society, so one on one there. I also have
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a private practice as well, so I keep myself busy
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with different aspects of in the in the counseling realm.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, for those of you, Lis, Andrew and I actually
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met through this very hospice society. We both do work
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for that for that society because they do wonderful work
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for our community. Without then there were big, big holes,
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like Andrew wouldn't be able maybe to reach some of
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the people who need a bereavement help in our community
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if it wasn't for Surry Hospice.
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Speaker 5: Right. So they're they're a great great go to They're
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they're they're there want to help and and it's it's
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if people feel the need and they think that could
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benefit them them, really encourage them to reach out to
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the to the hospice and they can receive one to
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one counseling.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And as you know, Michael, they offer lots and lots
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of groups, so they're very much into groups. A pet
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lost group of course, what we're talking about today. There's
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another of one I did one last summer. In fact,
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it was Nature's Amble and it was going to Bear
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Creek Park and sturry and walking with other people who've
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experiencing bereavement. But it's kind of like walk and talk
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in a beautiful setting and we'd meet for an hour
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and it was very informal that allow people to come together,
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but also as I say, physical exercise in a in
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a very pleasant setting. So that's another example of another
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group that the hospice have available.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, one of the things that I truly respect out
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of you as an individual counselor is your willingness to
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step outside of the box or the office and look
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at something creative that it helps.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's nice to me, you know, it's it's
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it's an enjoyable thing to do for me. And as
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you say, step outside the office, it's it's nice, it's fresh,
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it's it's a lovely feeling. And and why do we
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have to be inside this building the whole time? We
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don't have to. So it's just a willingness to do it.
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And I know a lot of other people do similar
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things and it can be very beneficial, but really beneficial
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to the people who have an interest in them as well.
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So the Bear Creek example, and there's there's other groups
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as well, but yeah, wonderful. You know, what is it
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about walking and talking, It's it's quite different to sitting
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and talking. Interesting distinction between the two. Both can be beneficial,
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but different experiences can come from each.
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Speaker 6: I like that because because it's a willingness to respect
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each individual's needs rather than there's sterile it's got to
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be one way sort of.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, it doesn't have to be that way, and
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so at least if anyone is open to just doing
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something a bit different, it can also be beneficial. But
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if someone has wants the one on one and they
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and the confidentiality, of course, we must never lose sight
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of confidentiality. That can be a great help. Being inside
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a room the door closed and it's it's it's safe,
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it's secure. That's where there can be a great benefit
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to one on one. So it also depends on what
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are you looking for, you know, is it very confidential
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this discussion, which it would be of course, there's always
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exceptions to confidentiality, or is it more I just want
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to be around others and talk and and and move
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my body. Well that that that looks a little bit different.
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That can take us outside into a setting that could
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be really conducive to the person who's attending.
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Speaker 6: Well, I know one for me personally, if there's something
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about my safety there seems to open up more when
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in an natural setting the city, inside of a building,
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or in an office or something. I am a very
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much advocate of counseling in general. The counselors that I
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have gone to, I actually asked them at some point,
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do you have a home office where we could like
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meet as your in like a living room kind of
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a setting, because I felt I feel more comfortable that way. So,
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and everybody has their own comforts, and how do you
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accommodate for for those comforts as a counselor.
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Speaker 5: It's it's not a question that I've been asked before. So,
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for example, the at the Sorry Hospice Society, we we
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do have a room and we try and make it
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as presentable and as comfortable and a kind of warm
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field to it, and we hope that people would feel
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at home there. But it's interesting because when you think
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about the colors of the walls and how tidy your
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room is. There's certain things that people may be uncomfortable with,
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so you know, we're very mindful of that. And in
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my private practice the same thing.
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Speaker 8: I have a room.
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Speaker 5: It's got some nice colors in there. It makes me
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think of aroma therapy. You know, we want to create
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this lovely space. We don't know if it's going to
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work for people, but I often ask for people's feedback.
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You know, I don't mind. I don't and when if
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if we ask for someone's feedback, we need to be
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prepared that we may hear some things that are contradictory
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what we're doing, so we must be prepared for that
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if we're going to ask. And I have done that
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much of the time. It's been great. It's been nice
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because well, I really don't like that light there, for example,
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or the way you've got this here, and if it's
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something I feel I can quite easily remove or change,
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and of course I'll do that because I want that
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client to be comfortable within reason. You know, they was
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saying I don't like the chair. That's certainly so far
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I can go, but I'd certainly do everything I could
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to accommodate that person and So yeah, when I asked
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that question, I am prepared to hear something that might
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mean I need to make a change, and it could
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be very helpful to me. It could be something that
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others may be feeling that I haven't felt confident enough
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or safe enough to share. So I have a lot
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of gratitude when I get that feedback. Whatever it is,
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it's it's it's helping me in some way. So I'm
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always very open to that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, your your gratitude shows in a lot of things
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that you actually do. H and and how and how
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you you appear at advice and everything when we meet up.
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You know, it shows that you would form of gratitude
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and you're full of this wonderful spirit.
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Speaker 5: So that's nice to you to say thank you.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I appreciate that out of you. So you
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you came in the counselor because because of a compassion
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for people mm hm. And how does that actually aid
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you in your process when you're facilitating like the tech.
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Speaker 5: Group or one on one counselor how does it aid me.
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Speaker 6: That compassion?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I I that there's a lot I find there's
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a how can I put it? There's a an energy
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that comes from people who I'm around, and that that
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often has a very positive impact on me. Uh, talking
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about different topics that are of not necessarily to do
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with counseling, just what people were going through and listening
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and showing that support. And that's very much what attracts
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me to counseling. I wasn't always doing counseling. I used
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to be a clinical hypnotherapist. I still do clinical hypnotherapy
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every now and then, but it just reminds me of
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whatever kind of therapy you do. Often you've got this
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one on one relationship quite often. Sometimes it might be
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family counseling, it might be couples counseling. But you've always
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got the energy that you bring and the energy that
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you're receiving from those you work with. And so I
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feel very invigorated by that. I find it very very
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positive thing and I enjoy it, and I can use
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that energy in all kinds of areas. So, yes, as
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you mentioned the facilitation or most recently had the Surry
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Hospice conference, and I was one of the presenters there,
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and that's another another part of me that I enjoy doing,
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is to presenting and talking about a certain topic and
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interesting because I brought up the word energy and it
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came from somewhere I think it was meant to come through.
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And I think back to that most recent presentation, and
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I have my notes, and I'm talking about questions, the
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importance of asking questions, you know, of loved ones before
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they pass, for example, that was one part of the
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speech I was doing. And I had all my notes,
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and I thought, well, you're going to draw upon your notes.
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You've got the PowerPoint slide up here, and I got
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my notes that coincide with the headings on the PowerPoint.
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And what I found so interesting is I hardly looked
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at the notes, but what I did look at was
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the people in front of me, and there was something
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I was picking up, maybe on a subconscious level, that
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was telling me to say certain things. So I was
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reading the end reading the room, I guess you could say.
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And so maybe that's why I because I intended to
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look at the notes, but I hardly did it at all.
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But it floated as well as I would hope it would.
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But I was very much paying attention to whatever was
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going on in the room and the energy there. And
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that's what I why I use the word energy.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: It's it's we can get so much if we pay
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attention to something. Just pay attention to the room or
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whatever we're picking up, and let that guide us. Let
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that see, let's see where that takes us, because sometimes
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we can it can be very very positive. So I'm
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not sure answer your question, Michael, but it might be
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a roundabout way of answering.
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Speaker 6: I think you did agent your question. Do you minded
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we play play a clip from from your cop at
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the carperence at this point?
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, please go ahead.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do that. Here's a short clip from this
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Rough Hospice conference. It was in January the twenty twenty five,
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with Andrew giving him his talk on bereavement and and impassion.
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So we'll be back in a few minutes.
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Speaker 9: We should all still at a confidence to talk about death,
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to ask questions, to listen and be sure of what.
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Speaker 8: We had our lockcoms were like to happen when that
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time comes. Sounds really really good. And I think with this.
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Speaker 9: Then there's even an assumption about conversation or conversations became
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smooth that means to do and so on, And I
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think we all know that be so so difficult, So.
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Speaker 8: Often considered a type conversation.
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Speaker 9: I'd say the previous like, but this is about to
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conversations and it's about.
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Speaker 8: Death and life, so it could be upsetting any of us. Again,
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it doesn't have to be that way. It's all about fool.
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Speaker 9: So if it's my agenda, believe in the next forty
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five minutes gives you an idea.
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Speaker 8: Of what to expect, what I'm going to recover. Why
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do many of us find.
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Speaker 9: It difficult to talk about it? How do we have
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in that conversation and talking persis avoiding.
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Speaker 8: That's going to take.
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Speaker 9: But the time to look at that one, because which
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one do you think is the easier one?
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Speaker 8: I know for me definitely been to avoid. If I
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had a choice, if I didn't have to go there,
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absolutely just put it aside.
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Speaker 9: But again, that's what we're going to get into you today,
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So it's a smart with it. Let's talk about the
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tough conversation. Why many of us find, of course talk
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about death. Well, we don't be one of those most
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difficult conversations we could ever have, especially with our loved ones.
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We may feel fearful, we may feel scared about this subject.
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In fact, in society that's really fuls. Society has wine.
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Speaker 8: This is really difficult. We don't talk about this subject.
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Speaker 6: We do that.
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Speaker 9: So we've got society helping that along this disinterest of
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talking about death. And it's not until something really big happens,
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you know, something significant, something chucking hans that we may
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then internalize and reflect on death and dying. What does
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some examples eternal medical diagnosis, maybe a loved one, tragic
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news about what's happening to them.
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Speaker 8: I could do it.
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Speaker 9: And just that reminder that all of us are getting
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older and that's getting.
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Speaker 8: A little bit closer, and so she is gone by
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m So we.
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Speaker 9: Can feel pressure, even anxiety about talking about death and
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dying because.
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Speaker 8: We're putting this position of no choice. Heard all the
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time when I lived in the UK.
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Speaker 9: Face the music is anyone from a bit of fatter
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face the music. A lot of people don't want to
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face the.
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Speaker 8: Music and embrace or try the prospect of having that conversation.
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I always look back.
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Speaker 9: At the screen, not just to check and it coincides
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with my Google tablet in, but just to check it's
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not some crazy picture I got in there without my modergy.
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I reassurance. It's a lot of in there, but you
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never known me. That's not saying that. It's this crazy picture.
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Speaker 8: Jeez, that's not good.
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Speaker 9: So I'm going to get into talking about my mortality.
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And Rebecca mentioned a little bit as well earlier on.
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Speaker 8: They's advice will love here.
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Speaker 9: So the love talking about and dying off is exceptional
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mortality that we are loved ones will eventually face there.
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Speaker 6: H So, so yeah, that that was there was a
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brilliant talk that you actually gave that day. Thanks a
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lot of a lot of a lot of people, and
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and one personally, it was was really moved that that
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they did leave the room because they had the the
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ERNs the experience of it.
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Speaker 5: Yes, it I later learned that what I was talking about,
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it was talking about talking, as I mentioned earlier, trying
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to what if we are strange from someone and they're
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getting older, and then all of us can feel so
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pressure and I need to talk about what will happen
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if it gets getting closer and we could all feel
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that pressure of a conversation we may need to have
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with someone who's maybe close to the end of their life.
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And it's not often we don't often talk about that,
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and that's what I was addressing and got into some
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depth of that topic, and as you said, Michael, one
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person seemed very upset and left the room. And of
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course I'm continuing to talk, but I must admit, at
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the back of my mind I was thinking, oh, geez,
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did I go too far? You know, we can sometimes
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question ourselves. I don't think I did anything wrong, nothing
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like that. I'm talking about a very incredibly sensitive subject
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that I know for my own experience, I don't often
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I can't think but of really ever hearing people talk
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about this, not not not in a confidence like this.
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So yes, it was on my mind. And what was
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so beautiful was when that was over, the person came
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up to me and wanted to hug me for Oh
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you know, that was very That was very touching, and
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it really touched them and they just wanted to thank me.
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So that was beautiful and I'm so pleased it had
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such a positive impact on them. It was it was
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very meaningful to them. So that that was That was
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a really beautiful outcome.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So back to the the pet Bury But for
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somebody to sign up and try and try to get
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secure the respect in the group.
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Speaker 5: Yes, so wow, time's going quickly. Because the first the
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first one, we got six weeks. The first one is
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this Thursday, February twenty seven. If anybody is interested, can
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you please email me Andrew at Surreyhospits dot com. I
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would say, really, the cutoff is going to be say
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three This is what I've said before, so I want
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to be consistent three pm tomorrow, so it's very little time.
38:29
It is important if you're interested, that you can attend
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for six consecutive weeks, so every Thursday between six and
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seven pm. It's also very important that you stay for
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the four duration each time you come so short notice. However,
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if it doesn't work for you on this occasion, please
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get in touch anyway, because we'll run the group again
38:53
and depending upon how much interest there is, that will
38:56
probably determine how often and when we next won the group.
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So if you miss out on this this this one
39:03
coming up, hopefully there'll be enough one soon and you
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can join that one.
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Speaker 6: So I will put your email address in the in
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the show notes so that people can get in touch
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with you.
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Speaker 5: So that's wonderful.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Andrew, thank you for your time today. It's
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been wonderful. Again. I always always enjoy speaking with you.
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You're such a kind person.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, well, thank you and thank you Michael for
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this opportunity to share. It's been it's been great, so
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many thanks to you.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so everybody check out the show notes if you
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want to join the group, especially if you are in Surrey,
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BC or in the Greater Vancouver area of British Columbia.
39:51
So checking out and email Andrew as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 5: Thanks very much, Thank you.
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