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Speaker 5: This is the moment, then, that we've all been waiting
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Speaker 5: for for in a romax.
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Speaker 3: Here comes Oscar Pstree, Lando Norrith.
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Speaker 1: They aren't playing hardball out there at the moment, Steve
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Speaker 1: Pipchaol Moment of twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Four, Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you
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Speaker 2: by Shannon's. On today's episode, Oscar Piastree wins his fourth
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Speaker 2: Grand Prix in five races to extend he's advantage atop
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Speaker 2: the driver's championship standings and with McLaren scoring its biggest
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Speaker 2: victory of the season yet, is there any hope for
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Speaker 2: any of its would be rivals. My name is Michael Lomonado.
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Speaker 2: of May in twenty forty one, it's Matt Clayton.
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Speaker 1: Oh boy, the Miami Grand Prix extension as I approach
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Speaker 1: pension age was a little confronting over the course of
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Speaker 1: the weekend. But six am Monday morning Australian time Formula one.
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Speaker 2: There should be more of this. I think I don't
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Speaker 2: mind it. Breakfast Grand Prix. I'm gonna say twenty forty
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Speaker 2: one Miami extension. I was alarmed to find Kimi Antonelli
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Speaker 2: will still be younger than I am now. Oh no,
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Speaker 2: when that contract is up for a new all again dress.
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Speaker 2: Not to dwell on these things, I suppose as to
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Speaker 2: Unstown on the Miami Grand Prix, which Oscar piastre Wine's
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Speaker 2: third race in a row, as I think we foreshadowed
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Speaker 2: last week, first Australian to do that since Alan Jones
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine, long time ago. And that's of
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Speaker 2: course a reflection not only on his form, but of
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Speaker 2: course McLaren sawman. We'll get to the Constructor's Championship picture
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Speaker 2: a little bit later. I want to throw a few
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Speaker 2: one I like a good stat You can read these
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Speaker 2: on Fox sports dot com dot Au as well.
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Speaker 3: First McLaren driver twin three in a row since.
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Speaker 5: Mika Hacken correct in ninety eight, I believe, yes, seven
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Speaker 5: to eight. Yes, last McLaren driver to do so in
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Speaker 5: one season since go on i Aton Center nineteen ninety one.
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Speaker 3: Wow, really remarkable things.
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Speaker 2: The lead of sixteen points now over Orlando Norris, and
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Speaker 2: I actually found myself struggling to describe this win a
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Speaker 2: little bit in terms different to his past few wins,
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Speaker 2: because it was pretty cool and controlled. But I guess
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Speaker 2: the difference being that rather than starting on the front row,
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Speaker 2: it was starting from fourth, survived the carnage and still got.
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Speaker 3: It done well.
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Speaker 1: It's that weird stat about this Grand Prix where it
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Speaker 1: hasn't been one from the front pier, which is a
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Speaker 1: strange thing at a circuit where you would expect the
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Speaker 1: races to be pretty perfunctory. But look, it did owe
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Speaker 1: itself to a confluence of circumstances, which I'm sure we'll
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Speaker 1: get into in those opening laps. But one thing I
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Speaker 1: think we can see with Oscar is when there is
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Speaker 1: a chance to win a race, he doesn't apologize it's
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Speaker 1: for taking it and takes it and doesn't let it go.
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Speaker 1: And this is one of the traits that we've now seen.
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Speaker 1: But six Grand Prix wins now, and you put this
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Speaker 1: in the context of recent Australian Formula One history. Daniel
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Speaker 1: Riccardo won eight Grand Prix, Webber won nine Grand Prix.
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Speaker 1: Oscar in a very very short space of time has
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Speaker 1: got himself to where he is and with so many
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Speaker 1: rounds to go this season and with McLaren clearly based
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Speaker 1: on Miami being the dominant car, this is not going
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Speaker 1: to be the last time we have this conversation.
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Speaker 4: I don't think.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a question is how many more in a row
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Speaker 3: he can win? Because I've got the stats locked away
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Speaker 3: for four and five in a rows. Don't worry.
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Speaker 2: We were emphasise them just yet, but it really was.
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Speaker 2: It didn't need a second asking really to take this victory.
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Speaker 2: And I guess we can go to some of the
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Speaker 2: battles here because there were the only two main battles here.
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Speaker 2: It was Oscar versus with stapp and then later Norris
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Speaker 2: versus was Stappen. And it's sort of interesting because while
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Speaker 2: we've become very used to seeing Oscar battling at the front,
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Speaker 2: it's very easy to forget the only third season in
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Speaker 2: the sport, and not just that, but for probably half
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Speaker 2: of that time, more than half that time, even really
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Speaker 2: the McLaren car hasn't been a car that's regularly fighting
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Speaker 2: for wins. Became a podium continder a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 2: and then late last year was the car that ultimately
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Speaker 2: won the constructors championship. But we therefore don't have the
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Speaker 2: history of piastre versus Verstappen that we do Norris as
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Speaker 2: with Stapen as just one example, and we saw a
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Speaker 2: little bit in Saudi Arabia.
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Speaker 3: Obviously that was really only one corner.
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Speaker 2: The corner a part of the story, and now he
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Speaker 2: saw a little bit more, much longer battle, much more
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Speaker 2: to and fro. But I was really impressed with the
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Speaker 2: way that he really tested Verstappan's defenses. I guess you
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Speaker 2: could argue with Staffan knew he probably wasn't going to
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Speaker 2: win strace anyway, but he still tried.
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Speaker 3: It's easy to pass with Stappen.
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Speaker 2: I really thought the way he thought his way through
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Speaker 2: it was really quite interesting in a good first or
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Speaker 2: early chapter in that battle.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting for me is he doesn't go for half
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Speaker 1: hearted moves or try to scare someone off the road
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Speaker 1: as you would within perhaps a less experienced driver. Verstapan
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Speaker 1: has a reputation of being possibly the most difficult past
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Speaker 1: in the person to pass in Formula one Esteban Okna,
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Speaker 1: which is another story altogether, but what was interesting for
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Speaker 1: me was that he didn't waste time and energy and
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Speaker 1: tire life and momentum going for things that.
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Speaker 4: Weren't quite there.
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Speaker 1: And the way he raced it was like he was
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Speaker 1: the more experienced party in the McLaren duo here, because
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Speaker 1: you can trust the way both of them ultimately made
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Speaker 1: their way past for Stappen Piastres was minimal attempts, maximum efficiency,
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Speaker 1: very very clean and calculating in turn one, and the
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Speaker 1: amount of time it took Norris to do the same
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Speaker 1: thing against an opponent in a weaker car. That really
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Speaker 1: was the race, because there wasn't a great deal between
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Speaker 1: the two of them when they were second and third
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Speaker 1: on the road. By the time Norris had made his
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Speaker 1: way past for Stappen and the McLaren's were in the
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Speaker 1: natural order they should have been in. That was the
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Speaker 1: race right there in that the margin was over eight seconds,
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Speaker 1: it had been I think about one point seven or
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Speaker 1: two point one, somewhere around that range. That was the race,
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Speaker 1: and it was Oscar's decisiveness in getting to where that
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Speaker 1: car should be relative to look. Norris has got more
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Speaker 1: history with Verstappen, and history in the first corner of
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Speaker 1: the first lap. But maybe it's because this is a
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Speaker 1: new fight that Oscar's having with Verstappen, and the rules
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Speaker 1: of engagement are a little bit more differently. Twice in
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Speaker 1: two weeks now we've seen Piastre come out ahead technically
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Speaker 1: head in air quotes after Saudi Arabia. Perhaps there's a
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Speaker 1: newness to this rivalry where Oscar's approaching it from a
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Speaker 1: more robust position.
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Speaker 4: Where it always feels to.
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Speaker 1: Me that Norris is kind of on the defensive or
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Speaker 1: apologizing almost for putting his car in an attacking position.
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Speaker 1: And I always like to say this, Formula One cars
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Speaker 1: have body language. I know many people won't believe me
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Speaker 1: with this, but they do when they're being driven by
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Speaker 1: these two people against arrival like Vestappen, and that lap
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Speaker 1: what eleven to eighteen range of the race that wasn't
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Speaker 1: the race.
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Speaker 4: It's also a.
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Speaker 1: Sign of I think things to come in the championship,
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Speaker 1: because one thing we've seen with Oscar is decisive, gets
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Speaker 1: on with it, and Norris is sort of fluffing around
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and whether he was the fast McLaren
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Speaker 1: or not over the remaining two thirds of the race
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Speaker 1: is a moot point because Pastre won the race on
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Speaker 1: at fourteen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's also worth remy.
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Speaker 2: It's three easy to retrofit different scenarios of this race
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Speaker 2: outcome without acknowledging simply that Oscar did better job. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's it's very Reare you get a race where the
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Speaker 2: driver did the better job overall?
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Speaker 3: Doesn't because it's kind of the point of multiple lap events.
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Speaker 2: Yes, not qualifying where someone does't gonta yellow flag INSI
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Speaker 2: I understand that perspective, But that difference between Piastrian and Norris,
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Speaker 2: I think is worth delving into a little bit. I
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Speaker 2: thought a couple of things were interesting that stood out.
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Speaker 2: One was after the fact, actually an interview. I think
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Speaker 2: it was with Sky Sports, but I think there are
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Speaker 2: other interviews as well where he was asked this question
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Speaker 2: about the difference in approach between him and Piastre. Battling
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Speaker 2: was stappened. I took him a certain number of laps
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Speaker 2: and it was really quite testy about it. Didn't really
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Speaker 2: want to answer one word answers really, and there is
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Speaker 2: that element of people don't always see this, but there's
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Speaker 2: often ten or twenty TV crews all asking the same
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Speaker 2: question if that was the last one. It's probably answered
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Speaker 2: this many times, as has had enough of ask people
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Speaker 2: asking on why didn't you do it faster? So I
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Speaker 2: kind of get that, but I think there's still an
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Speaker 2: insight there because we've already talked to the season up
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Speaker 2: to this point. That's psychological difference between these two drivers,
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Speaker 2: and that's where this championship, assuming is it probably will
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Speaker 2: be just between them, is going to be one and
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Speaker 2: loss because the machinery is equal, they're both very talented.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be in their approaches. This for staff
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Speaker 3: and difference.
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Speaker 2: Is really interesting as well because of all of the drivers,
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Speaker 2: he's going to be the one that pops up most
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Speaker 2: often as a blocking factor, I guess as a bit
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Speaker 2: of a wild card, and that history between Norris and
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Speaker 2: verstapp and I think makes it very interesting because you're right,
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Speaker 2: it seemed like the way he was battling him underlined
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Speaker 2: the baggage he carries into this championshi because it was
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Speaker 2: going to be a Norris Verstappen championship, right that was
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Speaker 2: the preview, and then actually the guy who's leading the
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Speaker 2: championship already up the road. That for me is going
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Speaker 2: to be quite interesting. I guess third element is going
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Speaker 2: to play into this title.
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Speaker 1: Fight baggage and history and precedent. I guess you want
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Speaker 1: to have it out to that because obviously last year
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Speaker 1: we had the Orlando Norris championship charge quotes for seconds
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Speaker 1: on this episode there wasn't really one. It was more
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Speaker 1: theoretical than practical really, But whenever the Stapen felt like
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Speaker 1: he was in a position of vulnerability, his elbows were very,
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Speaker 1: very wide because I think he deep down thinks that
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Speaker 1: he can intimidate or bully Norris, because Norris has come
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Speaker 1: off second best in so many of these things and
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Speaker 1: has spoken very openly about the psychological part of it game.
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Speaker 4: Piastre is and this is meant as a compliment.
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Speaker 1: Piastre is so robotic when it comes to these sorts
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Speaker 1: of things, like robots generally don't have feelings, as I'm
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Speaker 1: sure there were, but that really plays in his favor
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Speaker 1: here because I'm not sure for stapfan quite knows how
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Speaker 1: Piastre is going to react in one of these situations
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Speaker 1: because Oscar is so level, and so you don't know
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Speaker 1: whether he's going to be pumped up about it or
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Speaker 1: depressed if it goes wrong. He is so flatlined most
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Speaker 1: of the time, and he's probably a more difficult opponent
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Speaker 1: to read. And we know what Max's default setting is
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Speaker 1: with this. He's going to be very, very aggressive. He's
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Speaker 1: going to take things to the absolute edge of acceptability
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Speaker 1: and occasionally over as we've seen in the past, you know,
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Speaker 1: we've had to rewrite rules because of the way he
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Speaker 1: defends and the way he attacks. But it's new with Oscar.
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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of history between the two of them.
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Speaker 1: But I think Oscar is just so flatlined and composed
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Speaker 1: in these sorts of situations, and there's a decisiveness that
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Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying about the way he's driving at the moment,
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Speaker 1: because yes, he is relatively in Formula one terms inexperience.
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Speaker 4: It was only a year ago that.
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Speaker 1: McLaren winning Racist for the first time at this very
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Speaker 1: grand Prix in Miami. You look at how much the
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Speaker 1: game has moved on since then. But as the stakes
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Speaker 1: have been raised, I think Piastre is rising with those
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Speaker 1: and that's why he has this championship advantage right.
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Speaker 2: Now, it's a power dynamic there as well, right like
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Speaker 2: if you think about the personal relations personal professional relationships
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Speaker 2: might be a better way to describe it, is Niris,
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Speaker 2: I think you sort of alluded to it there. In
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Speaker 2: his battles with Max's usually ended up apologizing for something.
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Speaker 2: I was saying that Max was not in the wrong
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Speaker 2: for anything. You know, maybe it tipped over a little
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Speaker 2: bit in Mexico last year, but Max was so obviously
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Speaker 2: in the wrong there that saying anything else would have
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Speaker 2: been ridiculous. And then the opposite, you have Piastre, and
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the interactions they have. The
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Speaker 2: only one I could think of was last weekend in
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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, after Max had been defeated, saying, Oscar's doing
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Speaker 2: a great job, he's professional, he's got the stuff of
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Speaker 2: a world champion.
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Speaker 3: Words to that effect. There's an obvious.
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Speaker 2: Dynamic there that's very different for those two different sides
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Speaker 2: of this happen.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Piastre in Verstappen. You wouldn't necessarily
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Speaker 1: put them in the same basket of driver, but they
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Speaker 1: actually are. When you think about the uncomplicated nature with
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Speaker 1: which they go racing. It's quite black and white. There's
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Speaker 1: not a massive amount of nuance. You're right, you're wrong,
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Speaker 1: you move on. There's none of this emotional bagage and
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Speaker 1: oh what about this and thinking about things that have
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Speaker 1: happened through races in the past. They're actually pretty similar
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways in that they're just very
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Speaker 1: uncomplicated and matter complicated. A matter of fact, this is
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Speaker 1: the way I'm going racing at this corner, at this
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Speaker 1: moment in time, and then we move on. And as
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Speaker 1: much as the Stappan would have been filthy with the
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Speaker 1: way that Piastre made that pass to take the lead
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Speaker 1: of the race in Miami, there would have been almost
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Speaker 1: a begrudging appreciation. I think of the fact that while
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Speaker 1: I could have seen me doing that to somebody as well,
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Speaker 1: he for stapp and verstappend in that respect, but it
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Speaker 1: was clean and it was clinical and there was no
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Speaker 1: room for ambiguity, and we just moved on. And I
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Speaker 1: think they're actually very similar in terms of racing personality
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Speaker 1: in there outside of the car.
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Speaker 4: Who would know.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be having barbecues at
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Speaker 1: each other's places anytime soon, But in terms of a
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Speaker 1: pational respect between two people that go about it very
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Speaker 1: very similarly. I think you can see that building and
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Speaker 1: those the staff and comments in Saudi were notable because
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Speaker 1: that's not the sort of thing Max tends to say
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Speaker 1: about arrival.
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Speaker 3: Is it? No? Very fatherly?
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Speaker 2: You might say, well, perhaps he's did a practice.
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Speaker 3: I suppose, yes, ahead of time.
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Speaker 2: I guess one other talking what I want to take
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Speaker 2: us to hear was the only controversy of the race,
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Speaker 2: I suppose, which was that Norris and Verstappen run in
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Speaker 2: on the first lap, not the first time we had
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Speaker 2: a first corner, not Steward's investigation.
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Speaker 3: Of course, we go back to the sprint.
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Speaker 2: It was Antonelli versus Piastre, Piastri coming off ahead there
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Speaker 2: and the Steward's deciding there was no case to answer,
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Speaker 2: which I think was correct. But the newest thing was
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Speaker 2: a little bit more contentious, perhaps not from the stewarding angle.
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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of debates since then about whether
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Speaker 2: the rights and wrongs of Norris having an.
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Speaker 3: Attempt around turn two sparked off a little bit.
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Speaker 2: It's got to be said by team principle Andrea Stello,
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Speaker 2: who said afterwards that in hindsight, he probably shouldn't have
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Speaker 2: tried to pass for Stapfen there, yes, which I thought
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Speaker 2: was a little bit interesting. I think we've probably got
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Speaker 2: to remember that Andrea Steller is an engineer, and there's
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any naivity with him in the media.
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Speaker 2: But I think what he said, should he just be
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Speaker 2: taken literally, which is yes in hindsight, shouldn't have done
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Speaker 2: it numerically yes, exactly right, But there has been debate
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Speaker 2: about it. Norah said afterwards he was damned if he
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Speaker 2: did or didn't in terms of the response, and I
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Speaker 2: think that's probably right.
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Speaker 3: He would have had critics either way. What was your
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Speaker 3: take on it.
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Speaker 4: Should he care about the response?
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think response. He knew there, But that's
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Speaker 1: my question. Should he be factoring in that they should know?
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Speaker 1: Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Should he
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Speaker 1: care about the response? He should be caring about that
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Speaker 1: Quarner at that moment in time. Interestingly, the similar pass
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Speaker 1: that you mentioned in the sprint probably a little less
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Speaker 1: hysteria from the commentary than we saw in the Grand Prix.
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Speaker 1: But that's another podcast, isn't it. But I thought it
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Speaker 1: was interesting the stellar. Comments for me were interesting too
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Speaker 1: because right now that McLaren is the fastest car in
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Speaker 1: Formula one and by long way, and it took eighteen
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Speaker 1: laps for them to get one two what they did
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Speaker 1: in the next thirty nimes until we got through the
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Speaker 1: checkered flag, it's the most dominant one to McLaren's had
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Speaker 1: since two thousand and seven, and that was with and
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Speaker 1: that was with spending the first eighteen laps of the
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Speaker 1: race not in their natural position. So what Andrea Stella
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Speaker 1: says makes complete sense. It is that you've got such
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Speaker 1: a car advantage here. You know, you're up against an
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Speaker 1: opponent that is on the first lap of the race
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Speaker 1: where things that it's not anything goes, but it's not
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Speaker 1: far off a lot of time. Maybe you should have
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Speaker 1: bided your time. At the end of the first lap
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Speaker 1: of that race. Leto Norris was sixth because he'd also
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Speaker 1: been overtaken by Alex Albon later on that first lap,
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Speaker 1: which was unseen by the TV cameras, So.
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Speaker 4: Should he have sat there, you know, sat it out
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Speaker 4: for that first.
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Speaker 1: Lap knowing that you're probably going to have a car
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Speaker 1: it's certainly a entire advantage in that weather in Miami
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Speaker 1: where the McClaren works better in hot conditions.
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Speaker 4: We've seen that.
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Speaker 1: Or you know, do you let the emotion of a
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Speaker 1: first corner, first lap overtake get in the way of
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Speaker 1: what you probably should be doing in that particular car.
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Speaker 1: That was interesting for me. And again we're not going
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Speaker 1: to know the answer to this, but how does Oscar
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Speaker 1: Piastri play that?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 1: We saw a very very different set of circumstances in
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Speaker 1: Saudi where Piastre got fantastic start and for stuff and
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Speaker 1: didn't give the first corner up and copt the penalty
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Speaker 1: for it. But given the car advantage, they had a
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Speaker 1: little short side of.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, it's actually put to me the sort of
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Speaker 2: anything today. The question of how the mentality will change
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Speaker 2: once you know the championship really starts to boil down.
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Speaker 3: It's a long way away obviously, and.
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Speaker 2: The risk taking approach, and it really depends on how
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Speaker 2: early a the McLaren drivers want to admit to themselves
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Speaker 2: that it's just between them, But by that same token,
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Speaker 2: they still has to be risk taking, right because it's
15:27
Speaker 2: going to be very close between them. We've got dichotomy here, right,
15:31
Speaker 2: Like Lando took risks that were probably a little bit
15:33
Speaker 2: against him in terms of odds. Piastre's risks all seemed
15:37
Speaker 2: to be or he makes them in his favor.
15:39
Speaker 3: I suppose, yes.
15:40
Speaker 2: I wonder how that'll play out over time, but eighteen
15:43
Speaker 2: more rounds to find out, plenty of time. Let's move
15:48
Speaker 2: on now, though, to move of the week, brought to
15:51
Speaker 2: you by Shannon's to my mind, Matt, with only one
15:53
Speaker 2: Grand Prix obviously of the course of the weekend, but
15:55
Speaker 2: it's you been Supercars coming up this weekend. There was
15:57
Speaker 2: really only one move for this category. That was the
16:00
Speaker 2: move for the lead from Oscar Piastri on Max for
16:03
Speaker 2: Staff and for all the reasons I've already talked about.
16:04
Speaker 2: Really it was decisive, it was analytical. I think the
16:08
Speaker 2: way he approached it we have a direct comparison with
16:11
Speaker 2: Teammatelando Norris. He was certainly much cleaner, it was faster.
16:15
Speaker 2: It was everything we know about Oscar Piastri in the
16:16
Speaker 2: way he wins races and it's extended his championship league.
16:19
Speaker 1: And it was a move down the inside of Max Fastadi,
16:22
Speaker 1: not on the outside, because if you try and pass
16:24
Speaker 1: Max to staffin on the outside of a corner, there's
16:26
Speaker 1: a fair chance you'll be getting acquainted with a runoff
16:29
Speaker 1: on the outside of said corner. But low hanging fruit
16:32
Speaker 1: by you, but a good choice. I'm going a little
16:34
Speaker 1: left field here because I like doing this to you. Yes,
16:37
Speaker 1: I'm saying move of the week is probably Olioaks, the
16:40
Speaker 1: Alpine team principalcanning his post race press availability at the
16:45
Speaker 1: last minute and high tailing it for the jet to
16:47
Speaker 1: go back to Europe.
16:49
Speaker 4: At the same time, that story.
16:50
Speaker 1: Started to emerge that perhaps Jack Dowin's tenure at Alpine
16:53
Speaker 1: was looking a little shaky. Now, I don't want to
16:56
Speaker 1: link one with the other here, but it's not too
17:00
Speaker 1: if that's the reason he's canceled the post race availability,
17:02
Speaker 1: no good. Yeah, but there's a wider story here, isn't
17:05
Speaker 1: here with Jack doing because then he's looking a little tenuous.
17:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, not for the first time this season. But the
17:11
Speaker 2: reports are recording this on Monday night from the website
17:13
Speaker 2: the Race, that Alpin's seriously considering removing Jack from the
17:17
Speaker 2: cockpit to replace him with reserve driver Franco Colopinto. Now,
17:19
Speaker 2: if you cast your minds back to the preseason, there
17:22
Speaker 2: was already a rumor to that effect that it would
17:24
Speaker 2: have been done before the Miami Grand Prix. Obviously that
17:26
Speaker 2: didn't happen. And Jack's been confident every time I've spoken
17:29
Speaker 2: to him, certainly and every time he spoken to the media,
17:31
Speaker 2: that these rumors are just noise, that they're without foundation.
17:34
Speaker 2: He's got the season because that's what's in his contract,
17:36
Speaker 2: and Franco's contract is that he's a reserve driver. So
17:39
Speaker 2: it's not the first time this story has come up,
17:41
Speaker 2: but certainly there are a series of factors here that
17:44
Speaker 2: have alluded to it. There was a rumor on Friday
17:45
Speaker 2: which the team attempted to quash because of a hot
17:48
Speaker 2: mic moment from one of Franco Colobindow's major sponsor, the
17:51
Speaker 2: Argentine Oil Company, saying that he would be in the
17:54
Speaker 2: car for Riumuler, which is the next race. The sponsor
17:56
Speaker 2: walked that back and said, that's just what they wanted
17:58
Speaker 2: to seek for me. And this is something Oliver Oaks,
18:01
Speaker 2: the team principle, has done all year, is that he
18:03
Speaker 2: only went.
18:05
Speaker 3: Five percent of the way of questioning the rumor.
18:07
Speaker 2: He said, yes, it's all noise, and then he used
18:10
Speaker 2: the political language that today Jack is our driver, which
18:13
Speaker 2: is something you never really want to hear and does
18:15
Speaker 2: seem a little bit concerning. I mean, there's two ways
18:16
Speaker 2: of looking at it.
18:17
Speaker 3: Right.
18:17
Speaker 2: There have been rumors all year and they haven't come true.
18:19
Speaker 2: But this seems like a fresh rumor and a couple
18:21
Speaker 2: of elements that seem to make it added.
18:22
Speaker 1: Up ninety to ninety five percent is kind by you. Yeah,
18:26
Speaker 1: but look, this whole season has been this non endorsement,
18:31
Speaker 1: endorsement of a driver that Alpine has poured a lot
18:34
Speaker 1: of money and time into testing a previous Cars program.
18:38
Speaker 1: He was basically set up to stumble from the moment
18:41
Speaker 1: that he got the gig the last race of last year,
18:44
Speaker 1: let alone the start of this year. It was being
18:46
Speaker 1: spun that, well, it'll be good to get him in
18:47
Speaker 1: the car and getting used to a race weekend and
18:49
Speaker 1: estabanock On's off to Haarsen, it's all fine. I'm not
18:52
Speaker 1: sure he was ever really put in a position to
18:54
Speaker 1: maximize what it is that he could or could not
18:56
Speaker 1: do in this car. But if you're saying that you
18:59
Speaker 1: know is our driver today, if this is a decision
19:02
Speaker 1: that perhaps has been arrived at because of lap one
19:06
Speaker 1: of one race, six races into the season, then it
19:09
Speaker 1: surely isn't that. It's surely something that's been decided well beforehand.
19:13
Speaker 1: I don't think you can have this as the straw
19:14
Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back. You know, Jack's had some
19:16
Speaker 1: good performances. You have qualified Pierre Ghastly for a Grand
19:19
Speaker 1: Prix for the first time. Alpine's not been particularly good
19:22
Speaker 1: anyway anywhere and doesn't matter who's driving it. But there
19:26
Speaker 1: are green shoots of progress there. But the whole time
19:29
Speaker 1: it's felt that he's sort of on death row with this,
19:32
Speaker 1: and if that's the decision that tips him out, I'm
19:36
Speaker 1: not really sure everyone's been completely honest here.
19:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean fundamentally whether or not this rumor is true.
19:42
Speaker 2: The fact that no one's been able to all season,
19:44
Speaker 2: including this weekend, categorically deny it, whether they leave early
19:48
Speaker 2: from the race weekend or not. I think he's just
19:50
Speaker 2: kind of ordinary from the team for a driver. Again,
19:52
Speaker 2: like you say that it's invested a lot of money
19:54
Speaker 2: and it's their junior driver. You know, there is president
19:57
Speaker 2: for rookies being dropped early, but Jack has not been
20:00
Speaker 2: anyway need boad enough to be dropped earlier. There have
20:01
Speaker 2: been signs that you say, green shoots that he's actually doing.
20:03
Speaker 2: Okay's one light pace is pretty good certainly from expectations.
20:07
Speaker 2: It will be a pity if that were to come true.
20:08
Speaker 2: But like we said, like Jack will tell you, there
20:11
Speaker 2: are in a lot of rumors this season that haven't
20:13
Speaker 2: come true. In fact, he kind of predicted this. He said, well,
20:15
Speaker 2: now that I'm here in Miami, there's gonna be another room.
20:16
Speaker 2: I'm going to be replaced by the next trace, and
20:17
Speaker 2: low and behold, there has been but not that right.
20:20
Speaker 3: There certainly have.
20:20
Speaker 2: Been reports from reputable sources, and we'll have to wait
20:23
Speaker 2: and see. In a fourth to night's fortnight's time for
20:25
Speaker 2: the Amdia Romagna Grand Prix. But Matt, let's move on.
20:29
Speaker 2: We'll move backwards to the Miami Grand Prix again because
20:31
Speaker 2: there's a broad a picture here beyond the drivers championship.
20:34
Speaker 3: But that is McLaren's domination of this Grand Prix.
20:37
Speaker 2: It was more than half a minute over the next
20:39
Speaker 2: quickest car, which was George Russell's Mercees and he was
20:42
Speaker 2: also no one usedly unfortunate, but look at the VSC
20:45
Speaker 2: at various points. In short, he got up to third.
20:47
Speaker 2: I think the gap probably could have been more than that.
20:49
Speaker 2: In other circumstances, and it begs a question where six
20:51
Speaker 2: rounds in at the quarter point of the season good
20:54
Speaker 2: a point is any to take a little bit of
20:55
Speaker 2: stock before we hit into that long European leg of
20:57
Speaker 2: the campaign which has Canada in it. For some reason
21:00
Speaker 2: about how the season is going. In terms of the teams,
21:03
Speaker 2: we expect that to be four front running teams. They
21:05
Speaker 2: kind of are McClaren's ahead of all of them, no,
21:08
Speaker 2: pretty confidently. This was its biggest winning margin of the season,
21:11
Speaker 2: more than twice as large as its previous one, which
21:13
Speaker 2: was the Barrangn pri which Oscar also won. Kind of
21:16
Speaker 2: makes you wonder what the point for the other teams are.
21:19
Speaker 2: I want to go through them really briefly, and then
21:21
Speaker 2: I also want to highlight Ferrari here because they'd a
21:23
Speaker 2: story on their own.
21:24
Speaker 3: Maxstappen took pole.
21:25
Speaker 2: It's only interesting statistic because he's the most successful pole
21:28
Speaker 2: getter of the season so far. He's got four from
21:30
Speaker 2: six really good over one lap or and McLaren drives
21:33
Speaker 2: a bit sketchy over one lap. But Red Bull modice
21:35
Speaker 2: board advisor Helmet Marco called it depressing and an example
21:38
Speaker 2: of the real speed of the McLaren car.
21:41
Speaker 3: Is that the case for Red Bull Racing?
21:43
Speaker 2: Well, obviously Max has been free to speak his mind
21:45
Speaker 2: so far this year and often has. But where is
21:47
Speaker 2: it the poll or is it the race performance? For
21:49
Speaker 2: you that's more representative.
21:51
Speaker 1: It's not been depressing for one weekend, it's been depressing
21:54
Speaker 1: six rounds. Really, what Max is doing is what the
21:57
Speaker 1: true greats do, and that you are transcending the natural
22:00
Speaker 1: performance of a car. And you can do that over
22:03
Speaker 1: one lap, but you can't do it over three hundred.
22:05
Speaker 4: And five kilometers. It's not possible.
22:07
Speaker 1: What he's doing on Saturdays at the moment is one
22:10
Speaker 1: of my favorite storylines of the season because it's ridiculous
22:13
Speaker 1: in a lot of respects is that car has no
22:15
Speaker 1: business in terms of quality being at the front of
22:17
Speaker 1: the grid. What Max is doing is outperforming the machinery
22:21
Speaker 1: by a massive, massive extent. So that's a great storyline,
22:25
Speaker 1: but it's also not particularly sustainable in terms of you're
22:29
Speaker 1: always sitting yourself up to be disappointed in the Grand
22:32
Speaker 1: Prix because you're doing amazing things. And yes, the McLaren
22:34
Speaker 1: guys have made a couple of mistakes here and there,
22:36
Speaker 1: and we saw that in Japan. That was race defining.
22:38
Speaker 1: It's the reason that the Stapen won that race because
22:41
Speaker 1: he took a brilliant poll on Saturday and at a
22:43
Speaker 1: circuit where you can't really pass, make no mistakes, and
22:46
Speaker 1: that's the difference, whereas other tracks where you can overtake.
22:49
Speaker 1: The McLaren advantage is so great at the moment. But
22:52
Speaker 1: you mentioned Miami, it was the perfect storm of track layout, temperature,
22:57
Speaker 1: no one else really being in the mix to fight
23:00
Speaker 1: for anything. And I think the wide part of this
23:02
Speaker 1: conversation now is and we've discussed this before on the pod,
23:05
Speaker 1: it's part of this maturity of rule set where there's
23:09
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that have one eye or perhaps
23:11
Speaker 1: if you're Aston Martin, both eyes and every other body
23:13
Speaker 1: part on twenty twenty six, and this massive rule change.
23:17
Speaker 1: The incentive for other teams that are trailing McLaren right
23:20
Speaker 1: now other than Redbaurn will get to that to really
23:24
Speaker 1: push on with twenty twenty five at the expense of
23:26
Speaker 1: twenty six is basically zero. Red Bull is different here
23:30
Speaker 1: because we suspect there are performance clauses in Max for
23:33
Speaker 1: Stapfen's contract that he may be able to wriggle himself
23:37
Speaker 1: out of so he should, you know, if he wants
23:39
Speaker 1: to do that. If Red bulline in a certain position
23:41
Speaker 1: in drivers and Constructors' championships, they have probably the best
23:45
Speaker 1: driver in Formula One right now. I think Max is
23:47
Speaker 1: driving perhaps better than he's ever driven right now, and
23:50
Speaker 1: he scored ninety nine of their one hundred and eight
23:52
Speaker 1: points by himself. It's crazy, but nobody else is hugely
23:57
Speaker 1: incentivized to push with the developing a car, and Williams
24:01
Speaker 1: are an interesting conundrum here and get to them. So
24:03
Speaker 1: you've got McClaren with two drivers in terrific form. They've
24:06
Speaker 1: clearly hit the sweet spot with that car, and you've
24:08
Speaker 1: got a maturity of rule set that the incentive for
24:11
Speaker 1: someone else to invest a lot of time, effort and
24:13
Speaker 1: money momentum to try and bridge that gap is dwindling
24:17
Speaker 1: by the week. And so I think we're going to
24:19
Speaker 1: have a really exciting drivers Championship, but the Constructors Championship,
24:22
Speaker 1: let's be honest, that thing's done.
24:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:24
Speaker 2: Well, I want to contrast perhaps even those two teams.
24:26
Speaker 2: Mercedes has always been thereabouts, had a little bit of a
24:29
Speaker 2: wobble last time out. George Russell got another podium though
24:31
Speaker 2: he's driving a really high level, fantastic level.
24:33
Speaker 3: We'll get to.
24:34
Speaker 2: Andrea cami out to know it a little bit later
24:35
Speaker 2: on as well, because he certainly deserves to mention.
24:37
Speaker 3: After this weekend.
24:38
Speaker 2: We contrasted with Ferrari because Ferrari is the team that
24:41
Speaker 2: probably ended last year as fastest challenge with the Constructors Championship,
24:44
Speaker 2: fell fourteen points short and really thought, and I certainly
24:47
Speaker 2: thought a lot of people did, that they would kick
24:49
Speaker 2: on in a way McLaren would have as well.
24:51
Speaker 3: This year.
24:52
Speaker 2: No one expected mcarn to dominate like this, and no
24:53
Speaker 2: one certainly expected Ferrari to be this bombastic. I know
24:57
Speaker 2: that sounds strange because it is Ferrari, but they seemed
24:59
Speaker 2: like they were getting they're act together and this year
25:01
Speaker 2: has felt like a little bit of a step backwards.
25:04
Speaker 2: They were the fifth fastest car this weekend, behind Williams,
25:07
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, behind Alex Albon in the race, and
25:10
Speaker 2: then also qualifying behind as well Lewis. Hamilton had a
25:13
Speaker 2: particularly poor qualifying in twelve by position, but actually this
25:17
Speaker 2: was one of his closest races to Charlotte Clair in
25:19
Speaker 2: terms of qualifying time after those depressing races in the
25:22
Speaker 2: Middle East and in Japan actually has closed the gap,
25:24
Speaker 2: and you could tell from his body language was much
25:26
Speaker 2: happy this weekend, but the result just wasn't. There was
25:30
Speaker 2: also marred by totally unnecessary team order debate over radio,
25:36
Speaker 2: where it made two team orders, one to swap Lewis
25:38
Speaker 2: Hamilton ahead of the Claire and then to swap them back,
25:40
Speaker 2: and the result was that neither of them caught Antonelli towards.
25:43
Speaker 3: The end of the race.
25:45
Speaker 2: To talk of that question about surely it's about twenty
25:48
Speaker 2: twenty six now Ferrari must have absolutely or does it
25:51
Speaker 2: have motivation to continue pressing because it's so upsetting the
25:55
Speaker 2: results for Ferrari fans at this point or is it
25:57
Speaker 2: really just twenty six has to.
25:59
Speaker 3: Be hear well.
26:00
Speaker 1: I think the good news was that they were so
26:02
Speaker 1: irrelevant in this case that we didn't have to see
26:04
Speaker 1: that god awful livery that they brought out from Miami
26:06
Speaker 1: too often on their TV, So that was good. But look,
26:09
Speaker 1: the good news is their two drivers are only three
26:11
Speaker 1: seconds apart of the checkered flag. The bad news is
26:13
Speaker 1: that Leclaire was fifty seven seconds off and Lowis Hamilton
26:16
Speaker 1: was a full minute off.
26:16
Speaker 4: The wins.
26:17
Speaker 1: So they are just positioned absolutely nowhere at the moment,
26:20
Speaker 1: and so because it's Ferrari, we expect better. And then
26:23
Speaker 1: just the indecision and the mixed messaging and Lewis Hamilton
26:26
Speaker 1: had the sarcasm button going on full blast through the
26:29
Speaker 1: Miami Grand Periri's you know, would you like me to
26:31
Speaker 1: let Carlos science passed as well? Like it was really
26:34
Speaker 1: on good form in that respect. But it's a car
26:37
Speaker 1: that we discussed this on last week's podcast. I think
26:40
Speaker 1: Charlotte Claire is making that car do things that it
26:42
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't. Lewis Hamilton is getting adjusted to a new
26:46
Speaker 1: team and a new culture, and you knew everything for
26:49
Speaker 1: this season. If this is the pain you have to
26:51
Speaker 1: go through to make twenty six more palatable, that's the
26:55
Speaker 1: only thing that gives Ferrari a pass right now, because
26:57
Speaker 1: if you're judging this in isolation, with the driver lineup
27:00
Speaker 1: they've got and the resource that they have, this is
27:03
Speaker 1: dreadful right now. And you mentioned being outpaced by Williams
27:08
Speaker 1: and this is not nineteen ninety seven, Like this is
27:11
Speaker 1: a conversation that was legitimate back when Mika hacken And
27:14
Speaker 1: was doing his three straight three straight racers for McLaren.
27:17
Speaker 1: That's a legit conversation that hasn't been a legit conversation
27:19
Speaker 1: for years. But there was nothing in that race weekend
27:22
Speaker 1: in Miami where you looked at Williams and said, this
27:24
Speaker 1: is a product of good luck for Williams or circumstance.
27:27
Speaker 1: They were better than Ferrari on merit in every measure,
27:31
Speaker 1: and that's not a sentence that we should be saying
27:33
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five.
27:34
Speaker 2: Yes, Williams, interestingly enough, very much a side narrative to
27:38
Speaker 2: this race, had their own team orders to barcle about
27:40
Speaker 2: holding station and overtake. That happened when it shouldn't have.
27:42
Speaker 2: I liked car this should have been overtaken. Carlos Signs's
27:45
Speaker 2: attempt to pass out on the last my goodness, you've
27:47
Speaker 2: been plowing him into the war and shocked they both
27:50
Speaker 2: made it to the checker place.
27:51
Speaker 1: It was one of those race weekends where teammates were
27:53
Speaker 1: at each other the whole time.
27:54
Speaker 4: I'm just hoping that you and I can get.
27:56
Speaker 1: Through this podcast or given kneecappy on the way out
27:59
Speaker 1: of this, I think, okay.
28:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for just to sum up on the
28:04
Speaker 2: Ferrari thing. I think you're right. If this is all
28:06
Speaker 2: about twenty twenty six, then sometimes you've got a great
28:09
Speaker 2: teeth at twenty four grand PERI in the season and
28:11
Speaker 2: get it done. But I think for me, what's more
28:14
Speaker 2: concerning the car pace, because you're right, it's the end
28:16
Speaker 2: of the regulations. We're at this funny stage is regulations
28:19
Speaker 2: we're getting. Any performance is really difficult. They've got an
28:21
Speaker 2: upgrade coming for him Miller. Of course they do. It's
28:23
Speaker 2: one of their home races, and maybe that'll at least
28:25
Speaker 2: make the performance more respectable, because I think that's all
28:27
Speaker 2: they can really aim for at this point. I'm not
28:29
Speaker 2: expecting a massive revolution in terms of performance, but it's
28:32
Speaker 2: that operational sharpness we'd come to get used to last
28:36
Speaker 2: year where we thought, oh, this is the version of
28:39
Speaker 2: Fray that's going to do it because they've got their
28:41
Speaker 2: house in order in a way they hadn't for many years.
28:43
Speaker 2: That has felt like a step backwards this year. And
28:45
Speaker 2: I don't want to doubt Fred Vasser because he's got
28:48
Speaker 2: runs on the board.
28:49
Speaker 3: He did the job last year, like the job had
28:51
Speaker 3: been done. It it is possible to do that job.
28:55
Speaker 2: But the fact that it's happened this year when it
28:57
Speaker 2: should be preparation, when they should be proving they've got
28:59
Speaker 2: to riding together.
29:01
Speaker 3: You're still here in the year. But that for me
29:02
Speaker 3: is just a little bit concerning. I think a little.
29:05
Speaker 1: Bit, and look, I will I often wonder if Vasso
29:09
Speaker 1: says this all the time, You do wonder how much
29:11
Speaker 1: of the broadcast of the radio chat is done purely
29:14
Speaker 1: for you know, cue the Benny Hill music, he Goo
29:16
Speaker 1: Ferrari again, a bit of that sort of thing. But
29:21
Speaker 1: at the very least, this season needs to be getting
29:24
Speaker 1: LaClair and Hamilton to work well together, get Lewis accustomed
29:27
Speaker 1: to the team incomfortable, and be operationally sharp. For when
29:31
Speaker 1: you get this blank sheet of paper for twenty six,
29:33
Speaker 1: at least you're starting from a point where you might
29:36
Speaker 1: be able to do something.
29:37
Speaker 4: If we're still.
29:38
Speaker 1: Floundering around with operational things and confusing mixed messages across
29:42
Speaker 1: the radio and no one knows whether they're coming or going.
29:45
Speaker 1: This is what the next eighteen races are for Ferrari,
29:47
Speaker 1: because short of some remarkable circumstance, they're not going to
29:50
Speaker 1: win one, and you'll have the odd outlier. Charlt Clair
29:53
Speaker 1: will put it on Pole somewhere probably backoop. Yeah, yeah,
29:56
Speaker 1: all Monica, one of those two, and there'll be the
29:57
Speaker 1: odd outlier performance. But in terms of where they are
30:00
Speaker 1: right now, I just never thought that I would see
30:02
Speaker 1: the day where Williams would be out performing Ferrari on
30:06
Speaker 1: merit in twenty twenty five.
30:07
Speaker 3: But here we are, remarkable, said boy of the regulations.
30:10
Speaker 3: Went for one more year. That's not very interesting, Matt.
30:13
Speaker 2: Before we wrap up this, though, we must go to
30:16
Speaker 2: the crystal ball from a complete home filtration, Thank you
30:21
Speaker 2: very much. I'm hoping we'll get a crystal ball in
30:23
Speaker 2: the studio at some point. Technically don't exist, which is
30:26
Speaker 2: why we don't have one, but maybe we can get something.
30:29
Speaker 2: I'm going to make my prediction. Of course, we can
30:31
Speaker 2: choose any timeframe we like, so I'm just going to
30:33
Speaker 2: choose the next Formula One Grand Prix, which of course
30:35
Speaker 2: is at Imola, which is Andrea Kimi Antonelli's home race,
30:37
Speaker 2: born in Bologna, only down the road. I think this
30:40
Speaker 2: will finally be his first podium after the near miss
30:43
Speaker 2: of Miami twice in the sprint and in the Grand Prix.
30:46
Speaker 2: He was really impressive this weekend. He's been very good
30:50
Speaker 2: all season without having these wildly impressive results, been more
30:54
Speaker 2: than good enough for the gamble Mclintmrceades has taken to
30:56
Speaker 2: put him into the car.
30:57
Speaker 3: But this was the first.
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Speaker 2: Weekend where I think you really or why they did
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Speaker 2: it because from the very first day and this was
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Speaker 2: a sprint format, which means drivers is really at a
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Speaker 2: premium to be ho it immediately, and he was had
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Speaker 2: Russell's number pretty much the whole weekend, willing to say, Okay,
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Speaker 2: the race didn't go his way, but there was some
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Speaker 2: strategy elements to it.
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Speaker 3: Obviously got that sprint pole.
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Speaker 2: Extremely irritating because I don't know how to statistically treat that.
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Speaker 2: You want to if you want to call him the
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Speaker 2: youngest of a pole, get it, I'm not sure technically yes,
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Speaker 2: but anyway he got it. He got it done regardless,
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Speaker 2: but couldn't get the result in either day, partly because
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Speaker 2: that battle with Piastri then, as I said, with strategy,
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Speaker 2: but I think he'll get it done in Italy.
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Speaker 3: Imagine the result.
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Speaker 2: Imagine an Italian on a podium in Italy, and of
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Speaker 2: all tracks, look, I love Monza as well, but Imola
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Speaker 2: maybe the last year of himaler As well, that's news
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Speaker 2: I expect we'll get in the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: I think that would be enormous, a fantastic story and
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Speaker 1: something that would be as impressive as George Russell has
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Speaker 1: been this year. And you can see that reflected in
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Speaker 1: the points table. He's probably overachieved statistically compared to where
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Speaker 1: he's been on track a lot of the time. The
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Speaker 1: thing that's so impressive about Antonelli is that none of
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Speaker 1: it looks like it's any trouble, completely unfazed and unbothered,
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Speaker 1: and I'm eighteen and this is fine, And it's almost
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Speaker 1: like he expects to be there, but not in an
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Speaker 1: arrogant way. He's just confident that he's got the ability
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Speaker 1: and the machinery to do it. And as you said before,
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent justifies the decision to put him in there.
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Speaker 1: Super bright future, and I do like the crystal Wall prediction.
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Speaker 1: It would be a good story and I'm all for
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Speaker 1: cheering for the narrative because that's what we do. But
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Speaker 1: crystal Ball time I mentioned before, Oscopiastri six Grand Prix wins,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo eight, Mark Webber nine, the second most successful
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Speaker 1: Australian driver in history of Formula One is Alan Jones
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Speaker 1: twelve Grand Prix wins, although A. J. Tellio's thirteen nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty SPECIs Grand Prix. Look it up on Google Kids
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Speaker 1: if you don't know. My prediction is by the end
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Speaker 1: of this season, Oscar Piastri is going to be the
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Speaker 1: second most successful driver Australian driver in.
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Speaker 4: The history of Formula One.
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Speaker 1: It's a great core, which means that he needs to
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Speaker 1: win what's seven well, but he needs to win seven
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Speaker 1: more Grand Prix with eighteen to go in the strongest
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Speaker 1: car in the field in what's looking like a two
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Speaker 1: driver championship. So Jack Braben won fourteen rond Prix, is
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Speaker 1: that out of the question here? He would need to
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Speaker 1: win nine of the last eighteen races. He would be
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Speaker 1: totally half of correct, absolutely in play.
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Speaker 4: I reckon I think it is.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, which is wild, but I mean I
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Speaker 3: also speaks. This is a digression we've got right up.
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Speaker 2: But to the number of races we've got, Like we
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Speaker 2: talked about these records historically, you can talk about win percentage.
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Speaker 2: Although I would believe in win percentages, it must just
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Speaker 2: be up there being his third campaign, but the fact
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Speaker 2: you could completely overrun the win record of a historically
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Speaker 2: iconic driver.
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Speaker 1: In yes, okay, this season has more races than about
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Speaker 1: three of Jacks probably whole career.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, just about.
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Speaker 1: But that's absolutely it's wild to say, yes it is.
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Speaker 3: I look, i'd be it's your crystal, Paul.
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Speaker 2: I'm just surprised if he didn't surpass Allener or get
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Speaker 2: to Alan Jones' record seven wins. Seems absolutely it's less
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Speaker 2: than half. Like you say in a car that should
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Speaker 2: buy rides with every Grand Prix for the rest of
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Speaker 2: the year. You know, maybe you throw Monaicne as an
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Speaker 2: outlier and maybe back or whatever.
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Speaker 3: It seems like it should be possible.
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Speaker 4: We've had four and about eight weeks, so.
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Speaker 2: This lad he would comfortably become the most successful me.
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Speaker 2: He could win three championships this year.
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Speaker 3: Who knows.
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