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Trade Day Frenzy: Ken Rosenthal & Geoff Pontes break down the deals, Michael King signs back w/Padres · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Hey friends, Hey step brothers. Good to see you both.
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Speaker 1: Guess what Todfather.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: Right off the jump here you get to have one
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Speaker 1: up your friend. We spoke yesterday about how Kratz doesn't
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Speaker 1: get invited to certain events. Are another event that Kratz
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Speaker 1: is not invited to. Yeah, called krats is Invited Fest.
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Speaker 1: It's called Kratz Is Not Invited Fest, and it's coming
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Speaker 1: to a farm in Pennsylvania near you. I kid about
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Speaker 1: the location, but the fest is real. It's actually Reds Fest,
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Speaker 1: which is still Kratz is not Invited Fest because he
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Speaker 1: didn't play for the Reds. So we're excited to announce
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Speaker 1: that we'll be making a little stop by you. Todd Father, Me,
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Speaker 1: Danny Graves and not Eric Kratz will be in Cincinnati
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Speaker 1: for a couple of days, January seventeenth and January eighth, eighteenth.
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Speaker 1: We'll play a poker tournament on the seventeenth that's part
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Speaker 1: of Reds Fest that Todd actually won years back, and
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Speaker 1: anyone can entry. You can find out more details. We'll
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Speaker 1: share that soon and then also we'll have a little
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Speaker 1: Q and a panel where I'll ask questions to Todd
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Speaker 1: Father and Danny about the current Reds team and stuff
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Speaker 1: from the past, as well as fan questions.
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Speaker 2: Nice, yeah, no, this Reds f Scott Scott. First off,
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Speaker 2: have you ever been to a fan fest before?
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Speaker 1: I definitely have. I'm just trying to remember which one
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Speaker 1: it was besides the A's fan Fest, which was put
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Speaker 1: on by the A's fans and not by the A's Insanely,
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Speaker 1: that one was incredible. I've been to one other. But
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Speaker 1: they're really good. I mean, they put together a nice show,
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Speaker 1: right they do.
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Speaker 2: Unbelieva' you're gonna be This place is one of the biggest.
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Speaker 2: They just rebuilt the center. I forget what it's called.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me, but they just rebuilt it. So it's been
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Speaker 2: two years in the making. They get over twenty thousand
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Speaker 2: people coming to this for these two days, and it's
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Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. You're gonna see past and present players. I
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Speaker 2: mean all the present players should be there, ninety you know,
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Speaker 2: I would say eighty to ninety percent of them. Then
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Speaker 2: you'll get about ten to fifteen older players you know
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Speaker 2: that played there, that people really enjoy. It's gonna be
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Speaker 2: absolutely mayhem. It's a really fun time. I want a
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Speaker 2: poker tournament there. Kratzy over eight eight. Well, Scott, Scott
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Speaker 2: didn't actually bost me up to what really happened. I
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Speaker 2: went in there just to have fun, and all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden winter winter I think it was over eight
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Speaker 2: hundred people there and next thing, so they have a
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Speaker 2: quick break and all the players can you know, if
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Speaker 2: you don't want to do it, you can just get
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Speaker 2: up and leave. I'm like, I'll play a little more.
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Speaker 2: Firsthand it was I had pocket aces, guy had pocket jacks,
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Speaker 2: pocket tens. I'll never forget it. We went all in
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Speaker 2: on the first hand and I had a good him out.
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Speaker 2: I forget what it was. Uh Jack came up eight
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Speaker 2: something else, so he's I'm like, oh whatever. On the
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Speaker 2: turn acerony game over. My stack was here, everybody's there.
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Speaker 2: They were willing me to win, and end up winning
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Speaker 2: on Queen ten. It was pretty magical. I didn't get
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Speaker 2: to keep the money, of course, but it was it
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Speaker 2: was a dream come true. Something I have over you
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Speaker 2: over eight hundred. You've never done that.
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Speaker 3: Confidence is confidence is quietness or quietness is confidence?
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Speaker 1: Online poker trophy every trophies, damn too.
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Speaker 4: Sorry.
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Speaker 2: One day I'm gonna play against you. I'm gonna read
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Speaker 2: you like a darned book. If I have nothing going on,
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be incredible. I'm gonna everyone always have something
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Speaker 2: going on.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you got pee wee football, you got
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Speaker 3: pee wee basketball. Facial here today I know I got.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad you gave us two hours of your life.
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Speaker 2: I'm ft I gotta leave it three fifteen. I got
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Speaker 2: a gymnastics and that is in New Jersey.
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Speaker 4: We're jumping, we're going.
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Speaker 1: You're doing gymnastics. Now, that's your next career.
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Speaker 2: No, my my daughter's doing gymnastics. She's a meat. I
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Speaker 2: give her a little I give her a little pep
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Speaker 2: talk before I said, listen, lock in lok in.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. She's like, she looks over
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Speaker 4: at your wife and she's like, she does do that.
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Speaker 4: I don't listen to it.
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Speaker 2: She does, but but I know inside I said, listen,
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Speaker 2: you got my blood.
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Speaker 4: Lock it in.
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Speaker 3: So I tell her this is Todd. This is Todd
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Speaker 3: at every gymnastics met Yo. You know I'm you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to get this. No, no, no, I'm trying
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Speaker 3: to get that deal done.
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Speaker 4: It's fine, it's fine, it's fine, You're good. Good job, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 4: what you say. What did you say?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 4: No, no, I'm talking on the phone. Yeah what Oh okay, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I'll get a picture. I'll goot pictures.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Scott, he's saying that because I just made a
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Speaker 2: deal down hereteen minutes ago. That's why you're saying every day. Listen,
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Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. You just should
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Speaker 2: have get off the pot. Whatever the world should have
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Speaker 2: get off the pot.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the mayor of Tom's River and maybe one day
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Speaker 1: the mayor or the governor of New Jersey. Who knows
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Speaker 1: this guy knows how a swinging deal. Yeah, Now, don't
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Speaker 1: don't want that, you don't.
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Speaker 2: Want somebody's gonna put a comment up there. I've seen
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Speaker 2: I've seen some athletes trying to be governors.
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Speaker 4: It's really hard to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. We're not invited,
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Speaker 1: but we love you. But Krats, I'll let you talk
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Speaker 1: first on our first topic.
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Speaker 5: Let's hit it charge.
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Speaker 1: Were you surprised to see this, Kratz? I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: a big fan of Michael King, and it's a good
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Speaker 1: sign when the team that experienced his injury issues over
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Speaker 1: the past year is signing him back, So that's good.
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Speaker 1: It just seemed like the Padres were going to have
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Speaker 1: to be a little more careful with how they spend
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Speaker 1: This is awesome if you're Padres fan, Michael king when
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Speaker 1: he's feeling right can pitch game one of a postseason
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Speaker 1: appearance for you. So I think three years, seventy five
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Speaker 1: million bucks and two player options sign me up, compared
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Speaker 1: to what it's going to cost for some other guys
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Speaker 1: who I think he has the same upside as I think.
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Speaker 3: He might have a larger upside, you know, based on
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Speaker 3: the fact it's not that long of a contract you're
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Speaker 3: looking to get. Maybe, you know, Kinger probably wants to
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Speaker 3: re establish his value and it's something that he can
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Speaker 3: he can do that opt out and go get paid again.
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Speaker 3: But this is you know, who's pissed about this signing
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Speaker 3: every small market that's like, we just have a tough time.
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Speaker 3: We're trying to stay under budget. We've heard that from
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Speaker 3: the Padres they have a significant ownership change, a significant
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Speaker 3: ownership issue since the late Peter Seidler died and the
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Speaker 3: family trust and everything that's going on. All we've heard
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Speaker 3: is not sure what's going to happen. They couldn't re
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Speaker 3: sign Suarez, that's why they move, or we're movers and
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Speaker 3: shakers and got Mason Miller had a huge trade deadline
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Speaker 3: acquisitions last year. And then they signed a pitcher to
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Speaker 3: twenty five million dollar contract. Like you if if all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, everyone's crying poor and the Padres do this,
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Speaker 3: people aren't just like, oh yeah.
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Speaker 4: I wonder what's gonna happen to them later, really feel
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Speaker 4: bad for him. This is bad.
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Speaker 3: This is great for baseball, This is bad for everybody
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Speaker 3: who else. It says, we're just really strapped for cash
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Speaker 3: because the Padres, we've heard they've had to do. They
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Speaker 3: have to get rid of Tatist. No, it's not happening, Machado. No,
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Speaker 3: it's not happening. You know, they're looking to quote dump
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Speaker 3: contracts and they signed a dude for I'm just gonna
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Speaker 3: say twenty five million a year because that's what this
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Speaker 3: contract is. Assuming what I assume is gonna happen. Michael King,
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Speaker 3: he's gonna go out and he's gonna deal, and he's
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Speaker 3: gonna opt out of his contract.
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Speaker 2: Then I I was so sad when he left the
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Speaker 2: New York Yankees. I absolutely loved him I love the
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Speaker 2: way pitch.
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Speaker 4: I love his aura. I love the way he threw
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Speaker 4: the ball.
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Speaker 2: His ball moves left and right. He's got a nasty pitch.
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Speaker 4: He holds it.
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Speaker 2: He's got that kind of you know. He reminds me
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Speaker 2: of Man, the late great Roy Holliday Man a little
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Speaker 2: bit with his motions and the way he pitches. I
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Speaker 2: think he's an absolutely fantastic pitcher. I hope he stays healthy.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about his injuries. This is a really good
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Speaker 2: signing for him, and I give san Diego kudos. Man,
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Speaker 2: what the injuries you have still to come back and
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Speaker 2: get this type of deal for you know, Michael king
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Speaker 2: I think this is fantastic. Again, like this, When he
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Speaker 2: is on, he is absolutely incredible and I would say
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Speaker 2: he was a top ten pitcher. When he is going,
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Speaker 2: he's cooking. I absolutely love this guy and I think
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Speaker 2: he's a really really good pitcher. Just stay healthy for me,
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Speaker 2: That's all I ask hard to.
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Speaker 4: Do for me.
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Speaker 3: When you talk about him being like the late Roy Holliday, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I caught both of them. Yeah, I caught Kinger when
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Speaker 3: he first came up to Triple A or when he
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Speaker 3: was up in Triple A when you're considered a veteran
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Speaker 3: catcher in Triple A, guys are like.
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Speaker 4: Oh, what do you got? What do you got?
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Speaker 3: He is so locked into what he needed to do,
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Speaker 3: but then he also was like, Hey, what do you
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Speaker 3: see here? And that's what That's what I kept going
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Speaker 3: back to him about how he kind of has that
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Speaker 3: turn like Doc had.
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Speaker 4: He's more of a.
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Speaker 3: What I would call a horizontal pitcher. That slider goes left,
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Speaker 3: the sinker goes right, and he throws them off and
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Speaker 3: then he was able to start elevating and commanding that
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Speaker 3: fastball up.
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Speaker 4: And he has stayed true to who he is.
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Speaker 3: He's so meticulous about his scattering reports and all the
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Speaker 3: stuff that he does. That's where I equate him closest
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Speaker 3: to Roy Holliday, to the fact that he knows what
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Speaker 3: he needs to do. He knows what he needs to
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Speaker 3: do in certain areas to certain hitters and in the
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Speaker 3: minor leagues. That was that was awesome, and I saw
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Speaker 3: it then translate to the big LEAs. One of the
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Speaker 3: things I remember about Kinger I was in Triple A
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Speaker 3: with him and I would get on the mic and
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Speaker 3: I would, you know, I would talk smack to dudes,
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Speaker 3: and and it was time to call Michael King up,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, Kinger, I got more. I got
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Speaker 3: more big league strikeouts than you because I had I
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Speaker 3: had a big league strikeout and he hadn't been in
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Speaker 3: the big leagues yet.
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Speaker 4: But it was more of one of those things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't know he's gonna make twenty five million dollars,
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Speaker 3: But this dude, he's got it.
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Speaker 4: He's got that. I think it's the difference.
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Speaker 3: He's got one of the largest differences in his sinker
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Speaker 3: and his slider or sweeper whatever they call it now
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Speaker 3: it's horizontal whatever differentiation.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what the word is. But you're right,
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Speaker 4: and he's legit.
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Speaker 2: You know when I said Rohaldy, his mannerisms, the way
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Speaker 2: he pitches, you know, Row, there's exceptional picture, right right,
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Speaker 2: I mean I would be yeah, it would be an
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Speaker 2: idiot to say that him and Row hoald are in
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Speaker 2: the same boat. Yeah, he's a good picture, but his
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Speaker 2: manurisms and everything else looks just like him.
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Speaker 1: On the mount And credit to the athletic Tim Britton
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Speaker 1: who does the contract predictions. He said, three year, seventy
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Speaker 1: five million. Wow, they nailed it. They did that you
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Speaker 1: know before the offseason started. Now, there are two player
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Speaker 1: options I mentioned, and that means opt outs. So if
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Speaker 1: he has a good year, so yeah, it's a twelve
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Speaker 1: million dollars signing bonus, a five million dollar salary for
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and a player option at twenty eight
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Speaker 1: mil for twenty twenty seven, so you figure he looks
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Speaker 1: more like Michael King from two years ago. And then
11:23
Speaker 1: it's a five million dollar buyout and he ends up
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Speaker 1: making I think twenty two million in one season, So
11:28
Speaker 1: you're incentivized to stay with higher salaries. But if he
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Speaker 1: has a banger year, he is definitely hitting the market again.
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Speaker 1: And he has the potential to be a guy that
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Speaker 1: gets one hundred something million in a future contract.
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Speaker 3: And no qualifying offer attached to him if he has
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Speaker 3: a great year this year, Oh, which is massive because
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Speaker 3: he could be you know, he could be another I
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Speaker 3: guess if we put it on there. Basically is in
11:53
Speaker 3: that fifty eight million dollar range for twenty seven to
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Speaker 3: twenty eight, and that's that range, that fifty to sixty million.
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Speaker 3: Those guys anything over. Teams are like, okay, that's fine,
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Speaker 3: Like we're fine with the qualifying offer of the draft pick,
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Speaker 3: anything in that range just slightly under. They're like, it's
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Speaker 3: not quite worth it. You know, there's there's a twenty
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Speaker 3: one year old in college. It's probably more worth us,
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Speaker 3: more worth it to us than you know, possibly winning
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Speaker 3: a World Series.
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Speaker 4: So that's how teams think. True, very true.
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Speaker 5: True.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I mean twenty twenty four was just incredible. I
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Speaker 1: mean twenty twenty three was great, and then twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: four he's with the Padres, right, and the Yankees traded
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Speaker 1: him over. He was the prize really in the Jan
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Speaker 1: Soto deal. His last twenty starts. I'm looking at that
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Speaker 1: season two to two four era, brilliant in the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: and what he did was they moved some money around.
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Speaker 1: Was that for twenty four to twenty five, so that
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Speaker 1: they could open up some more payroll flexibility. You know,
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Speaker 1: they kind of pushed the buy out back. The Padres
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Speaker 1: were doing some maneuvering, which is great. So he was
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Speaker 1: helpful with that. Clearly he likes to be part of
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Speaker 1: this team and wants them to keep him because remember
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Speaker 1: he was lightly rumored to be in trade discussions, and
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Speaker 1: I think them reorganizing the contract about a year ago
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Speaker 1: helped to close that up. Then during the season, unfortunately
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Speaker 1: deals with a pinch nerve in his shoulder and then
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Speaker 1: left knee inflammation later on in the year. It was
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Speaker 1: close to a lost season for him, so we'll see
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Speaker 1: if he can bounce back.
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Speaker 5: He's young.
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Speaker 1: Last thing here, Todd father, you said you loved watching
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Speaker 1: him on the Yanks. Apparently they didn't love him enough.
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Speaker 1: They didn't make an offer, So maybe they were too
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Speaker 1: scared of the medicals and that could be right Shoulders
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Speaker 1: no joke, nervo issue in the shoulder. Why else wouldn't
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Speaker 1: they make an offer for someone like that. They've got
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Speaker 1: their sight set on Mye or somebody else.
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Speaker 2: I guess.
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Speaker 4: I think. I think they're shooting bigger.
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Speaker 3: I really do. I said it the other day, the Yankees.
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Speaker 3: The Yankees, Brian Cashman's always going, always going in for
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Speaker 3: that top pitcher on the market, and I don't think
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Speaker 3: he's that top pitcher. Good for the Padres forgetting Kinger,
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Speaker 3: because if the Yankees miss out on the My, if
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Speaker 3: they're in on you know, one of the other I don't,
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Speaker 3: I don't. I think it's a my and like a
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Speaker 3: step down to Framber Frambert, no shade to Framber but
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Speaker 3: I don't think that I don't think that fits there.
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Speaker 3: They could have pivoted and gone to Michael King. So
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Speaker 3: this is a case where some smaller markets, I guess
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Speaker 3: we're calling San Diego smaller market, but some of the
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Speaker 3: teams with the lower budgets are like, well, we'll wait around,
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Speaker 3: will you know what, You're gonna wait around for that
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Speaker 3: standard left handed pitcher that gets a one year deal
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Speaker 3: at the end of the offseason and you're looking to
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Speaker 3: trade him part way through the season if he does well.
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Speaker 3: If he doesn't do well, then you're calling a dude
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Speaker 3: off from Triple A, Like move in on to Michael King,
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Speaker 3: and you put yourself right back into playoff winning hunt,
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Speaker 3: not just making the playoffs, playoff winning hunt.
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Speaker 4: If he can if he can start two.
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Speaker 3: Games for you, because right now Paveta's starting Game one,
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Speaker 3: but if he can start a game, you know, one
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Speaker 3: game in the DS and then game one of the
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Speaker 3: CS for you, like you're huge, it's.
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Speaker 2: Huge, and and just to finish that off, like if
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Speaker 2: they don't get a eye, like I think the Yankees
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Speaker 2: got to go for school man. I know they have
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Speaker 2: a lot of prospects, they have a lot of guys
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Speaker 2: they can let go of. I feel like there's a
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Speaker 2: possibility of them getting another big lefty, and if not,
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Speaker 2: my next pick is Zach Allen. I mean that that's besides,
15:32
Speaker 2: like you said, Framburgh, you know, Ranger Schwarz is pretty good,
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Speaker 2: but they have a couple of lefties. I feel like
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Speaker 2: they need a guy like Zach Allen to come in
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Speaker 2: and be that four or five starter. And all of
15:41
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's like he loves throwing in New York.
15:43
Speaker 2: I know that he's from Jersey, so I mean, call
15:45
Speaker 2: me crazy, but I think schoolbs that next one that
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Speaker 2: that Cashman should be looking into.
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Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And for the Padres, they now have three playoff starters
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Speaker 1: Michael King, Nick Pivetta, Joe Muskrove's back Randy Vasquez and
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Speaker 1: JP Sears, among others can fill out the rest of
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Speaker 1: the rotation and if they don't do anything, they might
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Speaker 1: look for one other depth signing. But they've got the
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Speaker 1: top end of their starting rotation in place for twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six two trades since the show started. So let's
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Speaker 1: talk to Ken Rosenthal about it right now, our FT
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Speaker 1: senior insider, Ken, can you tell us what you know.
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Speaker 5: The Tampa Bay Rays have been very busy today, but
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Speaker 5: so have a number of other teams.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 5: The Rays are in the middle of two of these deals,
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Speaker 5: the Shane Baws deal with the Orioles Shane bas going
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Speaker 5: to the Ools for four prospects and a competitive balance pick.
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Speaker 5: And the bigger trade, the more interesting one in some
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Speaker 5: ways is the three team trade with the Pirates and
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Speaker 5: the Astros. That's one in which the Pirates are getting
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Speaker 5: Mike Burrows, starting pitcher with six years of control. I'm
16:48
Speaker 5: sorry the Astros are getting Burrows. The Pirates are getting
16:51
Speaker 5: three major leaguers, Brandon Lyle the most prominent among them,
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Speaker 5: the left handed reliever Mason Montgomery, and outfielder Jake Mangum,
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Speaker 5: who had some pretty good ball for the Rays last year.
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Speaker 5: And then you see the Rays getting two young players there,
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Speaker 5: outfielder Jacob Melton, the more close to the majors version
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Speaker 5: of that one. So a lot going on. I expect
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Speaker 5: the next few days to be really busy, simply because
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Speaker 5: we've got Christmas coming up and teams want to get
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Speaker 5: things done, both with free agents and trades before the
17:22
Speaker 5: holiday season starts. And what's interesting, also, guys, is this
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Speaker 5: is what the Winter meetings probably should have been last week,
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Speaker 5: but the sports seems to work better when there are
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Speaker 5: some quasi deadlines in place, and Christmas qualifies as a
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Speaker 5: quasi deadline.
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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, so the three team trade.
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Speaker 3: Obviously the Pirates get a major upgrade here, they lose
17:44
Speaker 3: some of their prospects. But how does a three team trade?
17:48
Speaker 3: When was the first time you started hearing about this?
17:50
Speaker 3: Because you know, everybody's watched the movie Moneyball and they're like, oh,
17:53
Speaker 3: it's this call, this call, that call. That three team
17:55
Speaker 3: trades seem like they're more complicated, So in sense, that
17:59
Speaker 3: would mean it's tougher to keep it from insiders like you.
18:05
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not going to exactly explain how we found
18:07
Speaker 5: out about this. It's kind of revealing state secrets. I guess,
18:11
Speaker 5: not that this is that's serious. It's baseball. It's not
18:15
Speaker 5: world peace. Sometimes some executives an agency need a reminder
18:18
Speaker 5: of that.
18:18
Speaker 4: But regardless of.
18:19
Speaker 5: Derek, these things are difficult to complete, and teams will
18:24
Speaker 5: tell you all the time that a straight two team
18:26
Speaker 5: trade is really difficult to complete. But it seems to
18:29
Speaker 5: me the Pirates have for weeks now been telling teams
18:34
Speaker 5: we have starting pitching to trade. We have a ton
18:37
Speaker 5: of young starters. We want position players back, and we
18:41
Speaker 5: want established players back. They accomplish that in this deal.
18:45
Speaker 5: The Rays in some ways are the most interesting here
18:49
Speaker 5: because they're doing what they do often. They're retooling. They're
18:52
Speaker 5: getting seven players today. Ultimately now none of them are
18:56
Speaker 5: in the major leagues, none of them are proven. But
18:58
Speaker 5: in the Orioles trade, getting two guys who were first
19:02
Speaker 5: round picks in last year's draft, number thirty and thirty
19:05
Speaker 5: seven overall. And then with the Astros, we know as
19:08
Speaker 5: well that they've been looking for a controllable starter. At
19:11
Speaker 5: one point during the winter meetings, I believe I reported
19:14
Speaker 5: with Chandler Rome that they were talking to the Rays
19:17
Speaker 5: about Shane bos So, the Astros were talking about Boz. Ultimately,
19:22
Speaker 5: Boz goes to the Orioles. The Astros make a different
19:25
Speaker 5: deal involving the Rays. So they're talking all the time,
19:28
Speaker 5: exchanging names, talking about different players, and when you have
19:32
Speaker 5: the extent of conversations that we've witnessed here, ultimately, that
19:38
Speaker 5: is how an agreement comes to pass. Now, it's not easy,
19:42
Speaker 5: and as you've seen, it's taken weeks. In this case,
19:45
Speaker 5: but these things can come to fruition if teams are
19:49
Speaker 5: willing to act, and sometimes teams are and sometimes teams aren't.
19:54
Speaker 2: Shane Boss I love the guy to death, played with
19:57
Speaker 2: him in USA. Excuse me as my mind things falling down
20:01
Speaker 2: here talking about the Oils Man, I was big on
20:07
Speaker 2: I kind of crushed them a little bit these last
20:08
Speaker 2: couple of years about getting guys and training for prospects
20:11
Speaker 2: and everything else. It seems like all of a sudden
20:14
Speaker 2: now with this type of pickup, I feel like this
20:17
Speaker 2: is a really good pickup for the Orioles. I like
20:19
Speaker 2: Shane Boz, I know is era and that stuff. Yeah,
20:21
Speaker 2: I think it was four eight seven last year, But
20:24
Speaker 2: the guy can pitch and I think he'd be a
20:26
Speaker 2: nice three four to five starter for them.
20:29
Speaker 5: Todd, We've all crushed the Orioles over the last few years,
20:32
Speaker 5: but this offseason has been a dramatic departure for them.
20:36
Speaker 5: And it's not just Alonso, it's not just Taylor Ward,
20:39
Speaker 5: it's not just Ryan Helsley. Now it's Shane Boz and
20:42
Speaker 5: they've added Andrew Kittridge and others as well. This has
20:45
Speaker 5: been the most aggressive we have seen Michae Elias as
20:48
Speaker 5: the president of Baseball Operations previously their general manager, and
20:53
Speaker 5: they are probably not done yet. I would not be
20:55
Speaker 5: surprised if they went out and maybe signed or traded
20:58
Speaker 5: for another starting pitcher. Right now, they're looking much better.
21:03
Speaker 5: Trevor Rodgers, of course, emerged last season as a potential ace.
21:07
Speaker 5: Kyle Bradish now or you're removed from the surgery, he
21:10
Speaker 5: will be better positioned to make a significant contribution. And Baz,
21:14
Speaker 5: as you mentioned, at least the three, maybe even better.
21:18
Speaker 5: So that's a bigger rotation, a better rotation than they've
21:24
Speaker 5: had in the past. And I'm also, of course excluding
21:27
Speaker 5: Dean Kramer, who deserved to be mentioned in that mix.
21:30
Speaker 5: He's a more four or five, but yes, he's part
21:33
Speaker 5: of it. So I see them wanting to show that
21:37
Speaker 5: last year was a year that they learned from in
21:40
Speaker 5: terms of the front office, a year that they've decided, Okay,
21:45
Speaker 5: what we did in the off season of twenty four
21:47
Speaker 5: to twenty five wasn't nearly good enough, Charlie Morton and
21:51
Speaker 5: what else they did. This is a much more representative,
21:54
Speaker 5: aggressive team. We're seeing. They've really improved the offense with
21:58
Speaker 5: Ward and Alonso, and they've also improve the pitching really
22:02
Speaker 5: top to bottom with Baz and the Hellsley and Kittridge.
22:05
Speaker 5: So they're interesting right now, and I don't expect that
22:08
Speaker 5: they're done yet.
22:10
Speaker 3: Isn't this just Grayson Rodriguez from the race, Like, didn't
22:15
Speaker 3: they have Grace Ronriguez.
22:16
Speaker 4: I know they didn't.
22:17
Speaker 3: Now they have Taylor Ward and essentially getting Grayson Rodriguez
22:20
Speaker 3: back with Shane Boz. But is this also signifying the
22:26
Speaker 3: end for getting starting pitching for the Orioles.
22:29
Speaker 5: I don't know that. That's my question right now, Eric,
22:32
Speaker 5: and that's when I plan to ask today. I don't
22:34
Speaker 5: expect that it is, but certainly this gives them now
22:38
Speaker 5: what teams often call a floor to go forward. They
22:41
Speaker 5: have pieces in place. They're in a pretty good spot.
22:44
Speaker 5: If they got one more, all the better. Let's say
22:47
Speaker 5: they got fromer Valdez. I'm not saying they will, but
22:49
Speaker 5: my gosh, if they got him on top of Baz
22:51
Speaker 5: and all the other things that they've done, that would
22:54
Speaker 5: be a mammoth off season. Now you ask about Grayson Rodriguez.
22:58
Speaker 5: The difference between Shane Baz and Grayson Rodriguez is that
23:01
Speaker 5: Shane bas was healthy last year thirty one star TJ
23:05
Speaker 5: September twenty twenty two, missed all of twenty three, came
23:08
Speaker 5: back in twenty four, and then last year was his
23:10
Speaker 5: first full season back. So he is someone that they
23:14
Speaker 5: feel they can rely on from a health standpoint, and
23:16
Speaker 5: Grayson Rodriguez was not. Grayson Rodriguez, as we all know,
23:21
Speaker 5: has the potential to be a top of the rotation guy,
23:24
Speaker 5: but he has to be healthy with the Angels for
23:26
Speaker 5: that to happen, and we haven't seen that happen for
23:29
Speaker 5: him in a while.
23:31
Speaker 1: And ken last thing on boz here, I mean projected
23:34
Speaker 1: to make three million dollars this year, So if you're
23:35
Speaker 1: an Orioles fan, you should be excited by the fact
23:38
Speaker 1: that they didn't really spend much on a guy who
23:39
Speaker 1: should be in the rotation. I don't want to say
23:42
Speaker 1: they're buying low, but the RA number was high this
23:44
Speaker 1: past season. Your colleague, you know, Cyrus among others, have
23:47
Speaker 1: pointed out some elite stuff plus pitch numbers, etc. That
23:50
Speaker 1: there's high upside here, but they should have the room.
23:53
Speaker 1: You would figure if they planned on spending pretty big
23:56
Speaker 1: on pitching. They really didn't spend much on this guy
23:58
Speaker 1: besides prospects No.
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Speaker 5: The prospect return was big, and there's no question about that.
24:03
Speaker 5: And we've seen that too with the other trade today,
24:05
Speaker 5: the Mike Burrows trade. Ultimately there were a lot of
24:08
Speaker 5: prospects or a lot of players going back to Pittsburgh
24:12
Speaker 5: for him. So yes, for starting pitching, controllable starting pitching,
24:15
Speaker 5: you're going to pay a premium. One thing about Boz
24:17
Speaker 5: that Andy Costka of the Baltimore Banner pointed out on Twitter.
24:21
Speaker 5: His numbers away from Steinbrenner Field last year were much
24:26
Speaker 5: better than they were in that makeshift environment for the
24:29
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay Rays. So that's something for the Oils to
24:32
Speaker 5: look forward to. And I imagine because he was the
24:35
Speaker 5: twelfth pick in the draft and Mike Elias at that time,
24:38
Speaker 5: I believe, was still running the draft for the Astros.
24:41
Speaker 5: I'm guessing Mike Elias liked him out of the draft
24:44
Speaker 5: and always remembered that. And now if that's the case,
24:48
Speaker 5: he gets his man.
24:50
Speaker 3: How about the Matt Strom trade for Jonathan Boland to
24:55
Speaker 3: the Royals. Strom had been with the Royals and now
25:00
Speaker 3: he's going back. I have a hard time believing that
25:03
Speaker 3: the Phillies didn't think Matt Strom was a good piece
25:06
Speaker 3: to have in their bullpen. Was there more to this
25:09
Speaker 3: in the sense of, like, well, we have Tanner Banks
25:12
Speaker 3: and we have Jose Alvarado this year, so we have
25:14
Speaker 3: two lefties. But was there more to this than just, oh,
25:19
Speaker 3: we got to get some money off of the table
25:21
Speaker 3: for the Phillies or was it really a desire to
25:25
Speaker 3: have Jonathan Bolan.
25:28
Speaker 4: Join their team.
25:30
Speaker 5: Well, the Athletics back gel reported today that there was
25:32
Speaker 5: some friction between Strom and some of the Phillies people
25:35
Speaker 5: coaching staff, whoever might be. Matt Strom is a guy
25:39
Speaker 5: with strong opinions. He's really smart, he's really good too,
25:42
Speaker 5: so that perhaps contributed to it. But he was a
25:46
Speaker 5: name that we were hearing and reporting was going to
25:49
Speaker 5: be possibly moved from the start of the offseason. They
25:52
Speaker 5: feel pretty comfortable, as you mentioned, with their left handed
25:55
Speaker 5: depth in the bullpen. And yes, they cleared the money.
25:58
Speaker 5: It's about a seven million dollars savings that will help
26:01
Speaker 5: them in other pursuits should they care to pursue some
26:04
Speaker 5: other things. What was more interesting from this trades perspective
26:09
Speaker 5: was the Royals taking on that money because I've heard
26:13
Speaker 5: that they were kind of almost at their limit, and
26:16
Speaker 5: I would expect that there are going to be other
26:18
Speaker 5: moves that they make, perhaps shedding some payroll to get
26:21
Speaker 5: to where they want to be.
26:23
Speaker 1: From that perspective, Ken, good stuff and what a day
26:28
Speaker 1: so far. Three trades. We'll take it, Winter meetings whenever
26:30
Speaker 1: it wants to happen with the quasi what holiday deadline
26:33
Speaker 1: coming up? Here will be glued to what you're putting
26:36
Speaker 1: out there in the athletic and on Twitter.
26:38
Speaker 5: Thank you, Ken, Thanks guys.
26:40
Speaker 6: Here we go.
26:41
Speaker 1: Jeff Pond's from Baseball America joining us right now, and
26:44
Speaker 1: I mean we called the bat phone to bring them
26:46
Speaker 1: on because of all the trade action here and it's
26:49
Speaker 1: been happening during the show. So Jeff, let's get to it.
26:53
Speaker 1: And let's start with the Shane boge strade because apparently
26:55
Speaker 1: there were quite a few teams in on trying to
26:58
Speaker 1: trade for him, and the winning bid goes to the
27:00
Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles. So how did they do with what they
27:03
Speaker 1: gave up and with what the Tampa Bay Rays were
27:06
Speaker 1: able to haul in?
27:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's it's such a contrast to see
27:12
Speaker 6: that four years of Grayson Rodriguez moved for you know,
27:16
Speaker 6: a year of Taylor Ward and three years of sa
27:20
Speaker 6: Shane Boz, who you can argue has maybe had less
27:24
Speaker 6: major league success than than Rodriguez. Kind of depends on
27:26
Speaker 6: how you view that. Obviously the injury, but it's not
27:29
Speaker 6: like Boz has been, you know, the picture of health
27:32
Speaker 6: throughout his professional career either. But they this is a
27:35
Speaker 6: pretty sizable return back to the Raids Michael Farrett. You know,
27:39
Speaker 6: this is a system that has i'll say maybe less
27:43
Speaker 6: brand name pitching pictures that maybe have a little bit
27:45
Speaker 6: less pedigree than some of the guys are the top
27:47
Speaker 6: of the top one hundred list, But Michael Farrett, pound
27:50
Speaker 6: for pound, is one of the most underrated pitchers I
27:54
Speaker 6: think in the minors the guys like six or seven
27:56
Speaker 6: pitch shapes. Has got like two different change up grips,
27:59
Speaker 6: really mixes it up, throws a lot of strikes. I
28:03
Speaker 6: thought was a really nice scouting find by the Orioles.
28:05
Speaker 6: So he's a guy that you get him into into,
28:08
Speaker 6: you know, the raised pitching development. They developed strike throwers
28:12
Speaker 6: I think as well as anybody in the game, and
28:14
Speaker 6: just knowing how to zone different pitch shapes and kind
28:17
Speaker 6: of utilize deep arsenals. It'd be really interesting to come
28:20
Speaker 6: back to this in a year and see what Frett is.
28:23
Speaker 6: And then they add a high upside, you know, first
28:25
Speaker 6: round type of talent from this most recent draft in
28:29
Speaker 6: Slator to Brunn Kaden Bodine, who was probably one of
28:33
Speaker 6: the best defensive catchers in the draft. The guy I
28:36
Speaker 6: think is going to stick behind the plate offensively. You know,
28:40
Speaker 6: it's it's maybe more of like a contact overpower profile.
28:46
Speaker 6: He's not necessarily somebody's going to hit for big power,
28:48
Speaker 6: but a switch hitting catcher that makes a ton of contact,
28:51
Speaker 6: it's a pretty valuable piece. Then you add Austin Overn
28:55
Speaker 6: who you know, really good athlete, follow him during his
28:58
Speaker 6: time at USC and then when he was down here
29:00
Speaker 6: on the Cape. I think he actually played for your team,
29:02
Speaker 6: the Chatham as Scott But I mean a guy that
29:06
Speaker 6: can play all three outfield positions, pretty athletics, speedy, makes
29:11
Speaker 6: a fair amount of contact. The power is starting to
29:14
Speaker 6: climb a little bit over the last couple of years.
29:16
Speaker 6: He's making a little bit more impact. That's a really
29:18
Speaker 6: interesting profile. And then a competitive balanced you know pick
29:22
Speaker 6: on top of it, like that's a lot of prospect
29:24
Speaker 6: capital because you also kind of have that mystery box
29:27
Speaker 6: at the end it's like, oh, yeah, by the way,
29:29
Speaker 6: this is going to tip it over the scales. Now,
29:31
Speaker 6: I understand why the Orioles did this. They have surplus,
29:34
Speaker 6: it's a deep system. Again, they've done a good job
29:37
Speaker 6: of targeting players in the draft using you know, the
29:41
Speaker 6: prospect or draft capital they've had from some of the
29:43
Speaker 6: guys that have walked over the last couple of years
29:45
Speaker 6: to kind of rebuild this farm system. But same time,
29:48
Speaker 6: this is this is a pretty sizable payment for a
29:51
Speaker 6: guy in Shane Boss, who I think still has some
29:54
Speaker 6: question marks as to how effective he's going to be
29:56
Speaker 6: as kind of that mid rotation kind of arm that
29:59
Speaker 6: the Oriole are looking for.
30:02
Speaker 4: But they didn't dig deep into the Orioles.
30:06
Speaker 3: The Orioles high picks or I mean the Orioles high prospects.
30:11
Speaker 4: So does this really make a dent or is it
30:14
Speaker 4: just maybe like.
30:15
Speaker 3: A flesh wound to the system Because it was so
30:19
Speaker 3: many it's like, well, I hope one of these guys
30:21
Speaker 3: pans out.
30:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if you're the Orioles, you're doing this
30:25
Speaker 6: ten times out of ten. If you're an Orioles fan,
30:27
Speaker 6: you're also happy about this trade, you know, I think,
30:30
Speaker 6: you know, just into the contrast with the Grayson thing
30:33
Speaker 6: is really what I was saying more but it's it's
30:36
Speaker 6: it's a fair amount of pieces. Is it gonna hurt
30:39
Speaker 6: the Orioles long term?
30:41
Speaker 2: Probably not.
30:41
Speaker 6: I don't think that in a year, even if a
30:43
Speaker 6: couple of these guys like Fret or Debrun end up
30:47
Speaker 6: popping and turning into above average big leaguers, that you're
30:50
Speaker 6: going to regret this trade, unless Shane Boss is really bad.
30:53
Speaker 6: I don't anticipate that being the case. And frankly, this
30:57
Speaker 6: is the kind of trade that I know, Scott, when
30:59
Speaker 6: we talk about Orioles rebuild, we've kind of been banging
31:03
Speaker 6: the drum of like, go out there and acquire some pitching.
31:06
Speaker 6: They acquire a young pitcher who's got al East experience.
31:09
Speaker 6: He's pitched in some of those big games. You know,
31:12
Speaker 6: was in the playoffs as a rookie. People kind of
31:14
Speaker 6: forget that prior to his injuries. So, you know, I
31:16
Speaker 6: think there's a lot of good here. Yeah, one hundred percent.
31:18
Speaker 6: I don't think you regret this trader for the Orioles,
31:20
Speaker 6: or that it's going to be more than, as you said,
31:22
Speaker 6: a flesh wound.
31:24
Speaker 2: There's another big trade that went on a three team,
31:26
Speaker 2: or we call it the Sizzler. Scooter just told me
31:30
Speaker 2: talk about the Rays and who they picked up. We
31:32
Speaker 2: talked about outfielder Jacob Melton, how he's probably a little
31:36
Speaker 2: bit closer of getting to the big leagues than Anderson Brito.
31:39
Speaker 2: But talk a little bit about both of those guys
31:41
Speaker 2: and where you see them stack up.
31:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm glad we just turned it into our
31:46
Speaker 6: prospect handbook and this trade happened after the transaction deadline.
31:51
Speaker 6: I read the Astros and it's not the most talented system,
31:54
Speaker 6: so I would have been really digging for twenty ninth
31:57
Speaker 6: and thirtieth prospects. So good job guys and getting this
31:59
Speaker 6: one in when you did. But one of the teams
32:03
Speaker 6: that I so I talk to teams outside the organization
32:05
Speaker 6: with any of the four hand book chapters that I write,
32:08
Speaker 6: because we're trying to get that sort of global perspective
32:11
Speaker 6: from scouts of like how do you view these players?
32:13
Speaker 6: I don't just want to hear what the team thinks
32:15
Speaker 6: of their own players, and we know that you know,
32:17
Speaker 6: teams don't always fully tell the truth. The Rays were
32:20
Speaker 6: one of the teams I talked to. I can tell
32:22
Speaker 6: you that they actually had Brito as the top prospect
32:26
Speaker 6: in the race system, so excuse me, in the astro system.
32:28
Speaker 6: So this isn't a shock that he was included. They'd
32:31
Speaker 6: like him quite a bit. He pops on all their
32:34
Speaker 6: stuff models. It was kind of a three player conversation
32:39
Speaker 6: at the top. Brito ends up being three. Melton was
32:42
Speaker 6: the one. But some of the feedback I got on Brito,
32:45
Speaker 6: I mean, outside of him being undersized, he's listed at
32:48
Speaker 6: five to eleven. Whether he's actually five eleven or not,
32:51
Speaker 6: we'll see once he gets up with the big leagues.
32:53
Speaker 6: But I mean it is plus fastball, low release height,
32:58
Speaker 6: big vert, really unique plane, and it's sitting ninety five
33:03
Speaker 6: to ninety seven miles an hour, maybe tops out ninety nine.
33:06
Speaker 6: I don't think he's hit triple digits yet, but it's it.
33:09
Speaker 6: I mean, it's filthy stuff, and he's thrown it for strikes,
33:13
Speaker 6: like really understands the pitchability element of it. It's a
33:17
Speaker 6: good change up, it's a good curveball. He's got a
33:20
Speaker 6: couple of different slider shapes. He's a really interesting one
33:24
Speaker 6: that we could look back and this could be the
33:26
Speaker 6: biggest acquisition that they made today. Now, Melton probably a
33:29
Speaker 6: guy that can plug and play right away. I think
33:32
Speaker 6: an upgrade from Jank Meghum. I mean, not any knock
33:36
Speaker 6: to Jank Meghum at all, you know, Mississippi State legend,
33:39
Speaker 6: but more power with Melton. Just as much speed, maybe
33:44
Speaker 6: more applicable speed as a base runner than we even
33:46
Speaker 6: got with Mengham. And he can play all three outfield
33:49
Speaker 6: positions at an above average level. Not a high walk guy,
33:53
Speaker 6: a little bit more of an aggressive approach, but it's
33:55
Speaker 6: good bats of ball skills. And I mean he's always
33:57
Speaker 6: hit dating back to when he was at Oregon State.
34:00
Speaker 6: Should be a plug and play every day guy for
34:02
Speaker 6: the Rays right away.
34:04
Speaker 3: Jeff, you don't plan you don't plan to travel to
34:06
Speaker 3: South Carolina, dude, because you cannot speak like that about
34:10
Speaker 3: Jake Magnum.
34:12
Speaker 6: Okay, I drove, I drove on the alls during the
34:16
Speaker 6: going down to the All Star Game. But I'm up
34:18
Speaker 6: here in the Northeast, so I think I think I'm guarded.
34:20
Speaker 3: But sure, put the tint. Put the tint through when
34:23
Speaker 3: you go through South Carolina. If you do that again,
34:25
Speaker 3: if you say stuff like that, I want to talk
34:27
Speaker 3: about the Brito when they trade for a guy like
34:30
Speaker 3: this and in the land of stuff plus in the
34:32
Speaker 3: land of all these things, and you have a five
34:36
Speaker 3: ten I think is generous, and you're talking he's below
34:39
Speaker 3: one sixty five, maybe even in the waight category. When
34:43
Speaker 3: you talk about that and you see a guy that
34:45
Speaker 3: the Rays pick up that had forty nine innings, is
34:49
Speaker 3: that a concern for the team picking them up? The
34:53
Speaker 3: fact that he has no workload even though he's twenty
34:56
Speaker 3: like the way you're talking about him, the way you're
34:58
Speaker 3: replacing Brandon Law, who has you know, up there in
35:03
Speaker 3: a franchise home run leader for the Rays. Ever you're
35:06
Speaker 3: replacing this guy, is it more of the hope we
35:10
Speaker 3: get two years out of him that are an elite
35:12
Speaker 3: level or is it the we can create something out
35:16
Speaker 3: of a very unique body type that we'd rarely see
35:20
Speaker 3: have success in the big leagues.
35:24
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know, there's an element of risk here,
35:27
Speaker 6: just simply because we've seen so many of these guys.
35:30
Speaker 6: And I mean, I don't care how good your stuff is.
35:34
Speaker 6: I mean even guys who are a little bit bigger,
35:37
Speaker 6: like a Jake excuse me, Jack Lighter right, who had
35:41
Speaker 6: big stuff like this, similar attributes on the fastball. He's
35:46
Speaker 6: probably six feet six 't one, so he's probably a
35:49
Speaker 6: few inches taller than Brito, and it's just it's hard
35:52
Speaker 6: to bank on those guys consistently staying healthy. It was
35:56
Speaker 6: a shoulder injury too that cost him some time this year,
35:59
Speaker 6: so that's you have a concern. And he's a guy
36:02
Speaker 6: that signed for ten thousand dollars in November of twenty
36:06
Speaker 6: twenty three. At the time of signing, he was like
36:09
Speaker 6: low nineties and by the next spring was popping ninety
36:13
Speaker 6: nine one hundred miles an hour on the backfield, so
36:16
Speaker 6: there was a huge jump in terms of stuff. He's strong,
36:20
Speaker 6: but it is a smaller body. You do worry how that,
36:23
Speaker 6: how that holds up. So you know, I kind of
36:25
Speaker 6: said it is it's like you got your your Pedro Martinez,
36:29
Speaker 6: like a wicket high upside, like small right hander, and
36:32
Speaker 6: then you also got your your Davy Garcia, who's like, yeah,
36:36
Speaker 6: the stuff was really really good. He was a highly
36:37
Speaker 6: ranked prospect, and then you know, the body started to
36:40
Speaker 6: back up and he was just never kind of able
36:43
Speaker 6: to regain that athleticism and movement that he had previously.
36:47
Speaker 6: That's a big part of it is you know, so
36:49
Speaker 6: much of these guys, you know, physical frames has to
36:53
Speaker 6: go into generating that velocity that it's tough to kind
36:57
Speaker 6: of be that you know, six foot four, easy cheese
37:00
Speaker 6: guy like a Mitch Keller or somebody who just looks
37:02
Speaker 6: he's he's playing catch out there and you know, slapping
37:06
Speaker 6: the mid at ninety five and ninety seven like that.
37:08
Speaker 6: You just you don't see an undersized guy like that,
37:10
Speaker 6: and Brito certainly doesn't fit to that. So yeah, there's
37:12
Speaker 6: a ton of risk in that sense. But I think that,
37:15
Speaker 6: you know, the Rays are probably willing to take on
37:18
Speaker 6: some pitching risk, and we've seen that with them kind
37:20
Speaker 6: of throughout their history.
37:22
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about this. Who was it in? Was
37:26
Speaker 1: it Luis Patino? I'm forgetting the name? Remember Padres?
37:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was one.
37:36
Speaker 1: I don't even know where he's at. Yeah, all right,
37:40
Speaker 1: he might be in Mexico now, Yeah, but I mean, man,
37:44
Speaker 1: we were talking him up big in the past. All right,
37:46
Speaker 1: last one for you, Jeff before we jump, because it
37:49
Speaker 1: sounds like Murkkammy is going to sign this weekend. I
37:52
Speaker 1: know that's not necessarily totally your game, but in terms
37:56
Speaker 1: of what you're studying on a day to day basis.
37:57
Speaker 1: But just while we have you and our fans have
37:59
Speaker 1: been asking about it all show, and it's just been
38:01
Speaker 1: so busy with trades and news and all of that.
38:04
Speaker 1: So they have any thoughts either from you know, what
38:07
Speaker 1: you've viewed yourself or from what you've read from your
38:10
Speaker 1: colleagues about what could shake down really this weekend with Murakami.
38:15
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the market's going to be very interesting.
38:18
Speaker 1: I could see him signing with a team that usually
38:20
Speaker 1: doesn't sign a Japanese talent. It just seems like there's
38:23
Speaker 1: so much dissension across the industry about him specifically. The
38:27
Speaker 1: other guys have a little more time to sign. Murakami
38:29
Speaker 1: has to sign by Monday night.
38:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, and actually I am the right guy because I
38:34
Speaker 6: do all of our NPB and kb O repoorts, so
38:38
Speaker 6: have done some work, have talked to some scouts over there,
38:41
Speaker 6: have talked to some front office people about Murakami, have
38:44
Speaker 6: talked to some agents out there over the last week
38:46
Speaker 6: about Murakami. It seems like the market is a lot
38:50
Speaker 6: softer than I think Mourakami or his representation had necessarily
38:54
Speaker 6: expected when he came over. Teams are really really suspect
38:57
Speaker 6: of the lack of plate skills there, how the bats
39:00
Speaker 6: of all ability is going to translate, and how frequently
39:03
Speaker 6: he's going to be able to get to that power.
39:04
Speaker 6: I think that, you know, we've heard that there's kind
39:07
Speaker 6: of this Kyle Schwarber esque sort of upside, and I
39:09
Speaker 6: think like from a raw power perspective, certainly there is
39:13
Speaker 6: from like a lack of a defensive position perspective, that's
39:17
Speaker 6: probably a pretty good comp But I don't know if
39:21
Speaker 6: he's ever going to hit like Kyle Schwarber. Frankly, you know,
39:24
Speaker 6: I don't know if the hit tool was there. It
39:26
Speaker 6: was a lot of swing and miss. It's bottom one
39:28
Speaker 6: percent in NPB. We'll see how that translates to the
39:31
Speaker 6: United States. It is good swing decisions. He's, you know,
39:34
Speaker 6: a three true outcome kind of a hitter. But you
39:37
Speaker 6: could be talking about a guy his first year here
39:39
Speaker 6: who hits you know, two twenty or lowered like a
39:44
Speaker 6: buck ninety with maybe a ten or eleven percent walk
39:47
Speaker 6: rate and some power that has stretches that are really
39:50
Speaker 6: really good and then other stretches that are a little
39:52
Speaker 6: bit worse, and then you have questions about you probably
39:55
Speaker 6: can't play him at third base. He's not a very
39:58
Speaker 6: good first basement, so you're kind of locking your self
40:00
Speaker 6: in the air with a low contact, low batting average
40:03
Speaker 6: DH and I think teams, though they value impact and
40:09
Speaker 6: they value power hitting, they do still value contact. They
40:13
Speaker 6: still value you not being an absolute hole in the
40:17
Speaker 6: lineup for long stretches, and I think that's what the
40:20
Speaker 6: concern is with Murakami. I believe that the Padres have
40:23
Speaker 6: had some meetings. I don't know, if you know, the
40:27
Speaker 6: song signing from Korea today maybe offsets that a little bit.
40:30
Speaker 6: He's a first base, third base, second base guy, so
40:34
Speaker 6: kind of fits a similar role. It might have just
40:37
Speaker 6: been a matter of them kicking the tires because he
40:39
Speaker 6: was affordable. So it'll be really really interesting to see
40:42
Speaker 6: where Murakami ends up. I don't think he's gonna end
40:45
Speaker 6: up getting long term the year's long term or the
40:49
Speaker 6: big dollars that a lot of people were anticipating when
40:51
Speaker 6: you know it was announced that he would probably be
40:53
Speaker 6: posted back in twenty three twenty four.
40:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way you're describing it almost sounds like he
40:58
Speaker 1: comes over here and signs a deal that enables him
41:01
Speaker 1: to hit free agency again. Since he's still very young.
41:04
Speaker 1: Prove himself in the bigs, and then you can cash
41:05
Speaker 1: out and for a GM out there, they're either going
41:08
Speaker 1: to look really good or really really bat and on
41:10
Speaker 1: something like this because of how different it could look
41:13
Speaker 1: when it comes over to the major leagues. Yeah, maybe Crats,
41:16
Speaker 1: maybe maybe DH.
41:17
Speaker 2: For the Pirates.
41:18
Speaker 5: We got a job.
41:19
Speaker 1: But Jeff, here's the thing, we're gonna talk more. I
41:21
Speaker 1: think Jeff's gonna be on with us on Monday, So
41:23
Speaker 1: if you are, then we'll be all over this because
41:25
Speaker 1: we'll know where Murder Comedy signs. At that point we
41:27
Speaker 1: can talk more about song and everything else. So Jeff,
41:30
Speaker 1: thanks for popping on with us last minute. Have a
41:32
Speaker 1: great weekend, and maybe talk to you next week on
41:34
Speaker 1: Monday for Hot Sheet.
41:37
Speaker 6: Probably Yeah, well I'll be there.
41:40
Speaker 1: Text JJ tell him I want you on that we
41:41
Speaker 1: want to chat. So okay, it sounds good. Thank you, Jeff,
41:45
Speaker 1: appreciate you.
41:45
Speaker 5: Man.
41:47
Speaker 1: All right, so let's hit end a show, let's flappands.
42:02
Speaker 1: Let me rip through some news here. We'll start with
42:04
Speaker 1: Sam Blum breaking news that there is officially a settlement
42:08
Speaker 1: in the Skags Angels wrongful death trial. This case was
42:12
Speaker 1: filed four and a half years ago. Tyler Skaggs died
42:15
Speaker 1: six and a half years ago. This trial lasted three months.
42:18
Speaker 1: Sam said a motion in the courtroom as the plaintiffs
42:20
Speaker 1: signed the deal. Terms not disclosed, and maybe next week
42:24
Speaker 1: we can get more information on what it ended up
42:26
Speaker 1: happening there. I've been following this case as closely as
42:28
Speaker 1: possible from a public standpoint of seeing what Sam puts
42:30
Speaker 1: out there, and it sounded like the jury was asking
42:32
Speaker 1: for more info on how much money they could assign.
42:35
Speaker 1: It like it almost sounded like the jury was hinting
42:37
Speaker 1: that they were going to go the skag side. And
42:39
Speaker 1: so maybe that leads to this settlement that pops up here.
42:42
Speaker 1: But I'm speculating we'll get to more next week. Next up,
42:46
Speaker 1: John means from you guys, if you want to just
42:49
Speaker 1: give him a wish you well, since he's going to
42:52
Speaker 1: go through some tough rehab now with a ruptured achilles.
42:55
Speaker 1: He really has not been able to get back on
42:57
Speaker 1: the field consistently. So he had successful surgery and now
43:00
Speaker 1: he's going to make another run to try and get
43:02
Speaker 1: back and Todd father Zach Britain had that the rupture
43:05
Speaker 1: achilles member man, I think it was either the year
43:07
Speaker 1: or the year after the bangor season and then he
43:10
Speaker 1: goes down. So you can recover from that, but it
43:13
Speaker 1: just sucks. John Means dealt with a lot and.
43:16
Speaker 2: He was supposed to sign a deal too. I think
43:18
Speaker 2: that's the hardest part. He had everything set in stone,
43:20
Speaker 2: and I think that's the tough part that from training.
43:23
Speaker 2: Ah man. Yeah, that's gonna hurt every which way. Man.
43:28
Speaker 2: I feel bad for the guy, wish him well, and
43:30
Speaker 2: I hope the speedy recovery. You can get back on
43:34
Speaker 2: the hump there and find another team man for sure.
43:37
Speaker 4: Yeah.
43:38
Speaker 3: I mean this is why you understand that your career
43:42
Speaker 3: is short. It's fine, it's not. It's like you put
43:46
Speaker 3: everything you have into it because stuff like this happens.
43:49
Speaker 3: He was ready to go, healthiest offseason that he's had
43:53
Speaker 3: in a long time, and another setback. But he's resilient.
43:57
Speaker 3: He clearly has his priorities in order, and you hope
44:01
Speaker 3: that he gets back and he's better than he was before,
44:04
Speaker 3: because that's tough. That's tough, especially when this kind of
44:07
Speaker 3: stuff happens around Christmas Thanksgiving. You're sitting there like, ah man,
44:11
Speaker 3: I put all this into it, and your family's around,
44:15
Speaker 3: hopefully they're there to support him.
44:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Orioles fans love him. Just super likable guy.
44:20
Speaker 1: So we'll try and get him on at some point
44:22
Speaker 1: like we do. And then on the way out, just
44:23
Speaker 1: one more reminder with where we started off the two
44:26
Speaker 1: hour journey today, since I felt like we went in
44:28
Speaker 1: a million directions, Todd Father, if there's one thing you
44:30
Speaker 1: learned today, I just want you to know this. You're
44:33
Speaker 1: going to Cincinnati. Aircrafts is not Danny Graves is going.
44:38
Speaker 1: We're hitting up Reds Fest. We're partying, we're chatting with
44:42
Speaker 1: the fans, we're playing poker, and we're doing a little
44:45
Speaker 1: qat Q and a on Sunday in a litld meat
44:47
Speaker 1: and greet there in January. I'm bringing it up now,
44:50
Speaker 1: a few weeks in advance in case anybody's trying to
44:52
Speaker 1: make some plans and they want to hang out with us.
44:54
Speaker 1: So just remind him red Legs, Yes, mister red leg
45:02
Speaker 1: not Krats. But we'll see you both on Monday