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DIDDY THE DANGLER: DANGLES MODEL OFF 17TH FLOOR BALCONY, JURY REACTS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Didty the Danglar sworn testimony that Sean comes dangles a
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Speaker 2: model with his bare hands off a seventeenth floor balcony,
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Speaker 2: her life precariously in the balance, and the jury reacts
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Speaker 2: not in a good way.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories, and I want to thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us.
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Speaker 3: But he's a screamer, he's a shouter, he's a violent man.
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Speaker 3: He could throw things.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, Kitty's really angry this time.
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Speaker 4: Oh, he gets so angry he forgets to breathe. He
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Speaker 4: was a bully.
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Speaker 5: Did He was menacing, threatening, intimidating.
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Speaker 6: She talked about how he was violent, he was threatening.
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Speaker 2: Suddenly, all those oaks taste like dirt in my mouth.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, just think about it being held off
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Speaker 2: a balcony seventeen floors up.
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Speaker 1: And dangled, dangled.
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Speaker 2: This is different from the beatings that we've heard about,
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Speaker 2: the kickings, the beatings, the draggings by somebody's hair, the threats,
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Speaker 2: the broken arms slammed in the door, actually dangling someone
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Speaker 2: holding them by their armpits off a seventeenth floor balcony,
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Speaker 2: joining us an all star panel. But first, I want
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Speaker 2: to go straight out to the Monahan Federal Court House.
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Speaker 2: Standing by is investigative reporter Laurene Kanlan, star of Pop
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Speaker 2: Crime TV. Lauren, the jury finally hears what we heard
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Speaker 2: about rumors of months ago, the balcony dangling incident. What
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Speaker 2: happened on a.
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Speaker 7: Bongolan finished her testimony today and the cross examination was
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Speaker 7: a bit brutal. Now I believe the defense was going
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Speaker 7: for impeachment. But Brianna Bongoland showed us a photograph yesterday
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Speaker 7: of the bruise that Diddy allegedly gave her during this
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Speaker 7: balcony incident, and it did elicit.
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Speaker 6: Quite a reaction from the jury.
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Speaker 7: The bruise looked bad, there was a puncture hoole that
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Speaker 7: appeared to be in the middle of it, and we
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Speaker 7: also saw a photo of her or the back of
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Speaker 7: Brianna in a neck brace as well.
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Speaker 6: She said her ex girlfriend took this photo.
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Speaker 7: At one point during the cross Nicole Westmoreland got her
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Speaker 7: to say that yes, she had the neck brace on.
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Speaker 6: She took it for the photo and then she took
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Speaker 6: it off.
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Speaker 7: During redirect they did sort of reiterate, well, she wore
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Speaker 7: the net brace more than just the one photo. But
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Speaker 7: back to the impeachment, the photo of the bruise. We
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Speaker 7: saw the metadata behind that photo and it was taken
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Speaker 7: on September twenty six, twenty sixteen, and this was either
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Speaker 7: the morning after or kind of the morning of the incident. Now,
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Speaker 7: the defense said, are you aware, miss Bonglan, that Sean
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Speaker 7: Colmes and Cassie Ventura were in New York and New
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Speaker 7: Jersey during this time for the Bad Boy Reunion tour
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Speaker 7: and then they had a charity dinner in.
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Speaker 6: New York City, and you know, she didn't know or
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Speaker 6: she didn't recall.
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Speaker 7: And then we were shown an invoice from the Trump
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Speaker 7: Hotel and it was the guest was Frank Black, which
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Speaker 7: we know now is one of Ditty's aliases that he
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Speaker 7: used to check into hotels, and he was there. Hear
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Speaker 7: the date from September twenty fourth to September twenty ninth,
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Speaker 7: So that was quite a moment.
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Speaker 6: I know, I did see some faces in the gallery.
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Speaker 7: One of the jurors looked a bit surprised, So that
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Speaker 7: was that was a bit shocking.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's never a good thing, Lauren Colin when the.
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Speaker 2: Grs physical react like you see them rear back or
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Speaker 2: make a face or hold their head, and we've been
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Speaker 2: seeing a lot of that.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's almost as if to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,
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Speaker 2: Psychoalys out of the la jurisdiction. She is now seen
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Speaker 2: on Peacock. She is the author of deal Breakers and
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Speaker 2: you can find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: it's you know, I heard Rob Shooter say this a
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Speaker 2: while back, who's also with us today. He's known Sean
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Speaker 2: Combs for years and Shooter you stated at one point
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Speaker 2: he lives his life like it's a movie. And I'm
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Speaker 2: going to follow up after you answer. It seems like
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Speaker 2: he thinks he's in a movie, you know, where you
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Speaker 2: dangle somebody off a balcony, like in a James Bond movie,
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Speaker 2: and those you know, they typically drop them.
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Speaker 1: But this is it's real. He took a grown woman
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Speaker 1: and I'm.
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Speaker 2: Sure he's his highest kite on whatever drugs he was
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Speaker 2: on and whole for off a balcony like he's the
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Speaker 2: villain in a movie.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cinematic, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: But I think you're being kind by saying, James Vond,
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Speaker 3: this is the Sopranos This is really really outrageous behavior.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's hard for people to even understand this.
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Speaker 3: If you were not there, if you did not experience this,
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Speaker 3: this doesn't sound real. And so that's why this testimony
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Speaker 3: is so important, Nancy, because it's going to paint this picture.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna make it really, really vivid, and most importantly,
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Speaker 3: it's gonna make it really really real it happened.
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Speaker 2: He's right, doc, your Bethany Marshall, and he knows. He
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Speaker 2: has described how the combs gets angry and the veinstick
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Speaker 2: out of his hair in his face at he throws
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Speaker 2: a major tantrum because he can, because he can get
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Speaker 2: away with it. But they you know, I'm not afraid
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Speaker 2: of heights at all, But when I go up really
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Speaker 2: high and look down, I can feel a tingle go
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Speaker 2: over my whole body. I guess it's something instinctive that
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Speaker 2: your body knows you're in danger. The seventeenth floor, Bethany,
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Speaker 2: and this woman was hanging. She was dangling her Her
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Speaker 2: body was not attached to the balcony at all. Her
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Speaker 2: whole self was hanging over seventeen floors down.
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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, acting like you're.
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Speaker 5: A hero in a Marvel movie would fit criteria for
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Speaker 5: something called histrionic personality disorder. Histrionics are when somebody acts
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Speaker 5: very dramatic. They have rapidly fluctuating emotions that appear deep
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Speaker 5: in nature, but they're not deep at all. They're merely
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Speaker 5: designed to get attention. So he has grabbed everybody's attention
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Speaker 5: in his life, so it reinforces all this dramatic behavior.
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Speaker 5: You would I would also guess low levels of conscientiousness,
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Speaker 5: impulse control disorder, explosive intermitted explosive disorder, and also I
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Speaker 5: would suspect drug abuse because the impulsivity is so bad
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Speaker 5: and combined with aggression and low levels of remorse regarding
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Speaker 5: actually risking another person's life.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking about everything you said.
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Speaker 2: You know back to you. Rob Shooter is a PR
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Speaker 2: guru who worked for homes for a really long time,
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Speaker 2: not anymore. A host of Naughty but Nice podcast that's
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Speaker 2: at Rob.
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Speaker 1: Shooter and s h U t e R.
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Speaker 2: Not Shooter Bang Bang Shooter Robshooter dot substack dot com.
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Speaker 4: Rob.
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Speaker 2: When you say, now, she said a hero, I would
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Speaker 2: say a super villain where you know, like in a cartoon,
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Speaker 2: even where you see someone a character hanging somebody off
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Speaker 2: a balcony, and that's funny in a cartoon, but the
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Speaker 2: fact that he held her without dropping her is a miracle.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the woman still has night terrors about it,
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Speaker 2: and those are real. By the way, I still, to
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Speaker 2: this day sometimes have night terrors about cases that I
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Speaker 2: investigated and prosecuted because they were so heinous. But it's
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Speaker 2: like he's living in a movie and you said that
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Speaker 2: weeks ago, and I really didn't get it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: He plots his life out, not only that it's one
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Speaker 3: big movie, but almost like it's different episodes throughout the day.
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Speaker 3: His schedule, it's every hour, and I remember he once
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Speaker 3: said to me, you can start over every hour. A
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Speaker 3: lot of people, if you haven't a bad day, you
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Speaker 3: wait until tomorrow to start over. Not puff every time
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Speaker 3: there's a new hour, it's a new chapter in the
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Speaker 3: life of Diddy, and what happened before doesn't matter. It's
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Speaker 3: what happens right now. It's a really odd skilled that
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Speaker 3: he has, but it's a skill that has served him
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Speaker 3: very well until now.
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Speaker 2: But you know what, Rob Shooter, I think that in
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Speaker 2: court right now, it's just another episode for him. It's
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Speaker 2: just another vignette in his movie that's playing in his mind.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you're Ryan, and he would think
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Speaker 3: this actually, perversely, might be a great episode. If this
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Speaker 3: is a movie for somebody to be in this much
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Speaker 3: trouble and to bounce back, that is the type of
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Speaker 3: story that he's telling himself.
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Speaker 4: My inside has told me.
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Speaker 3: Nancy, I'm a reporter now, and all my sources did
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Speaker 3: his sources tell me he's convinced that this is going
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Speaker 3: to come to an end and he's going to be okay.
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Speaker 3: And already people in his inner circle, Nancy are plotting
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Speaker 3: the comeback tour, new music.
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Speaker 4: What's he going to do next?
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Speaker 6: And that's good?
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Speaker 2: Stop sorry, hold on, what did you say about a
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Speaker 2: comeback tour.
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Speaker 3: There's going to be a tour, there's going to be
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Speaker 3: an album. We've seen his family with a documentary crew
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Speaker 3: every day. These are not people that think this is
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Speaker 3: the last chapter, the.
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Speaker 4: End of the movie.
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Speaker 3: This is the middle of the movie, and they plan
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Speaker 3: to have a big comeback story.
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Speaker 2: Well, Sean comes, his family prepares their documentary to air
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Speaker 2: after the verdict, and his enablers prepare his comeback tour.
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Speaker 2: When he is found not guilty, according to them, not
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Speaker 2: according to me. A lot of people have been ditified.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is a special guests. Armand Wiggins entertainment legal
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Speaker 2: affairs commentator hosts a podcast, The armand Wiggins Show, And
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Speaker 2: I want you to see what happened to him outside
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Speaker 2: the courthouse. Oh this is crazy, Okay, That from our
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Speaker 2: friends at TMZ, Harvey Levin, you know, armand Wiggins.
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Speaker 1: Please don't laugh.
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Speaker 2: Because you never know when somebody comes up to you
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Speaker 2: on the streets start screaming at you, whether they are
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Speaker 2: high on math, whether they have a gun. So you
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Speaker 2: know what next time, Please just don't engage, don't be
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Speaker 2: the hero, just say thank you and walk away. But
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Speaker 2: yet you engaged, Arman Wiggins. What was she screaming?
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Speaker 8: Honestly, she just was trying to go viral. She was screaming,
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Speaker 8: let's go viral.
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Speaker 9: Mother.
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Speaker 8: She was saying a bunch of flagrant obscenities to me,
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Speaker 8: and I think it was just because she saw me
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Speaker 8: going live. This court, this case has become a zoo
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Speaker 8: and a breeding ground for all walks of life, and
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Speaker 8: people are just coming. They're trying to get their piece
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Speaker 8: of the moment, their piece of the viral moment. And
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Speaker 8: just shouting out and making stuff up. So there was
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Speaker 8: a woman that got put out of the courtroom. This
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Speaker 8: woman was heckling. So it was actually I didn't even
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Speaker 8: know who this woman was. She just saw me on
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Speaker 8: live camera. She figured, Okay, this is a content creator.
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Speaker 8: He goes viral first Diddy News and let me go
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Speaker 8: and trash him in his live feed and hopefully I'll
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Speaker 8: make the news.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people are well, they've been didified, and
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Speaker 2: without knowing any of the evidence, or ignoring the little
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Speaker 2: bit of evidence they do know, they're convinced the Shawn.
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Speaker 1: Combs is innocent.
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Speaker 2: You know, I got into it with ray Ja again,
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Speaker 2: but I'm wanting to hear you mentioned a woman that
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Speaker 2: got dragged out of court by armed guards.
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Speaker 1: Well listen to.
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Speaker 10: Her, did he Everyone thinks this as a joke, laughing
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Speaker 10: at black man legacy being destroyed. Everyone has been laughing.
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Speaker 10: I don't care if it sounded funny. It's not funny.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not funny for women to get beaten, raped, drugged,
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Speaker 2: dragged over and over and over. And it's not just
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Speaker 2: one woman. It's not just Cassivent Tira. It's one after
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Speaker 2: the next, after the next, that was from our friends
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Speaker 2: at BBC on TikTok. Back to you, Arman Wiggins, who
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Speaker 2: was a salted outside of the courthouse. I just heard
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Speaker 2: her talking about the legacy of Sean Comes and wrapping
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Speaker 2: it into the legacy of black men, that they should
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Speaker 2: not be wrongfully attacked. What about black women? What about them?
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Speaker 2: Do they not matter in the black legacy? What about them?
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Speaker 2: What about all the women that we're hearing from, What
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Speaker 2: about Capricorn Clark?
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Speaker 1: What about one after the next, after the next.
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Speaker 2: Woman of color that has gotten a beating from Sean Combs?
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Speaker 2: And do you know how close it was for this
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Speaker 2: woman hanging off a balcony by high on something Seawan Combs,
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Speaker 2: But yet.
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Speaker 1: No one seems to hear that.
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Speaker 2: What about these women at the legacy of Sean Combs?
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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? It sounds like exactly what ray
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Speaker 2: J and I were arguing about on TMZ. You're saying
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Speaker 2: the same thing. He's not crazy, He's a celebrity. Everybody
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Speaker 2: loves him.
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Speaker 8: In regards to the women, I think that the prosecution
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Speaker 8: is doing a great job because one thing that we
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Speaker 8: cannot get around is whenever they played that video and
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Speaker 8: when they got into that forensic audio and video, and
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Speaker 8: you saw Cassie being yoked up and dragged.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what you're.
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Speaker 8: Talking about as far as Diddy's legacy. You have a heart,
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Speaker 8: you have an emotion, and you feel every blow, every kick,
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Speaker 8: And so I think that everybody in that room, man, woman, child,
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Speaker 8: they felt that. And there's no way that he's getting
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Speaker 8: around that. And the prosecution make sure every day they
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Speaker 8: played that video just in case you may have forgotten
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Speaker 8: what we're really here for.
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Speaker 4: He had a lot of money. He liked to flash
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Speaker 4: it around.
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Speaker 3: He wanted to get free clothes, free dinners, free tickets
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Speaker 3: if he went at a club's restaurants.
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Speaker 2: A designer scarf, think air mais if I even saying
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Speaker 2: that correctly was used as a wicked But he.
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Speaker 5: Is benefiting quite a bit from this. He is taking
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Speaker 5: business deals, the sale of his clothing, his perfume, everything.
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Speaker 3: There were bags and bags and bags of designer clothing
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Speaker 3: that he'd never worn that was just sitting there.
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Speaker 4: It's a life of success, Sitter.
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Speaker 1: What is it with rich people?
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Speaker 2: I've never seen such cheap individuals as rich people. The
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Speaker 2: more money they have, the more they pinched.
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Speaker 1: The pennies.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's the reason they are rich. Puff is
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Speaker 3: a little secret on Puff. Puffy is one of the
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Speaker 3: cheapest person I've ever met. He didn't really want to
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Speaker 3: pay for anything. So when he had to sign over
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Speaker 3: that hundred thousand dollars to blackmail to take that tape
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Speaker 3: from the hotel to him, that would be really, really painful.
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Speaker 3: He does not want to part with his own money.
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Speaker 3: When he did those big white parties, Nancy, let me
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Speaker 3: tell you a secret, didn't pay a penny. All of
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Speaker 3: those were sponsored by people. He was very good at
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Speaker 3: getting other people.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we wait, the white parties that resulted, and that's
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Speaker 2: everybody at the get go. We talked about them a lot,
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Speaker 2: the white parties or where everybody is supposed to dress
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Speaker 2: in white. Whatever you're saying they were sponsored, What do.
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Speaker 1: You mean by that? Like by who? I bet they're
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Speaker 1: being out.
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Speaker 2: Now, I sponsor in a white party that turned into
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Speaker 2: a free car, that turned into a felony indictment.
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Speaker 3: Individuals companies would sponsor those parties.
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Speaker 1: Company like a beer company, a champagne company.
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Speaker 3: Who sponsor if you look on the step and repeats
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Speaker 3: these photographs, they have logos behind the celebrities where I
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Speaker 3: have a poster behind me. These celebrities have those step
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Speaker 3: of repeats for one reason, not to send you in
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Speaker 3: nice pictures, but to promote these brands. They pay to
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Speaker 3: be on that wall behind all the celebrities. So look
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Speaker 3: closely and look at some of those brands, and maybe
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Speaker 3: some of those brands today have something to say about
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Speaker 3: this because they put up the money that let these
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Speaker 3: parties happen. Without their money, there would have been no party,
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Speaker 3: as puff was not a well.
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Speaker 2: So the richer they are, the cheaper they are. I
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Speaker 2: want to get back to the facts, and I want
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Speaker 2: you to percolate Shooter on other peen pinching maneuvers of
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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs, because I want to hear every single one
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Speaker 2: because now I'm seeing his family and all these designer clothes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, for Pete's sake, the wick to the Molotov. Hey, Bethany, you.
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Speaker 2: Out of the whole panel, knows how to say air
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Speaker 2: may is that how you say the scarf? You've told
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Speaker 2: me any times, butz okay, amz okay. Who else besides
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Speaker 2: Seawn Combs we'd use an ermez scarf?
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Speaker 1: Shooter.
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Speaker 2: I mean it just like I say, take out an
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Speaker 2: ad on Third Avenue, and I always use Third Avenue
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Speaker 2: because that's where Court TV was. Third Avenue be a
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Speaker 2: big billboard right outside Court TV at thirty ninth con
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Speaker 2: third take.
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Speaker 1: Out and add at that was my scarf sign diary.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who else.
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Speaker 2: Is going to use a designer scarf for a wik
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Speaker 2: for Amolotov?
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Speaker 1: Really, I couldn't name.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't name another person who would do that, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: I do have a fun story, though, or a disturbing
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Speaker 3: story about did he being cheap? I remember he was
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Speaker 3: doing a photoshoot and he insisted we pay his friend,
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Speaker 3: or the magazine pay his friend ten thousand dollars to
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Speaker 3: groom him to do his hair ten thousand dollars. This
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Speaker 3: haircut was the magazine paid. They paid the ten thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: And when I saw the pictures, Nancy, he was wearing
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Speaker 3: a hat. He didn't even show his hair. He did
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Speaker 3: not pay for that. It was a scam, and he
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Speaker 3: made his friend a lot of money.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if the king friend gave him the kickback. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I could talk about that all day, but I got
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Speaker 2: to get back to the testimony, back to the courthouse.
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Speaker 2: Standing by very patiently is investigative Lauren Conlin. She's a
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Speaker 2: star of Pop Crime TV on YouTube. Lauren, after all
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Speaker 2: of that getting dangled off a balcony, balcony seventeen floors up,
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Speaker 2: she was in, I think it was a FaceTime and
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Speaker 2: she actually apologized to him.
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Speaker 7: When she was asked if Sean Colmes had had reached
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Speaker 7: out or if anybody reached out, she said yes, he
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Speaker 7: did try to reach out to her through FaceTime a
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Speaker 7: day or two later, and she kind of said that,
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Speaker 7: you know, she said she didn't want any problems.
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Speaker 6: He didn't say much.
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Speaker 7: He just kind of had his hands on his head
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Speaker 7: like this. She also testified that Cassie came out of
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Speaker 7: the room out of her bedroom at a certain point
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Speaker 7: and said, did he dangle you over a balcony?
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Speaker 6: Almost in disbelief.
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Speaker 2: To Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, we
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Speaker 2: also learned, and you're writing down every significant thing that
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Speaker 2: happens in the court room. She go on to talk
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Speaker 2: about nightmares and night terrors that she had as a
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Speaker 2: result of that incident.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely Nancy. She said that she would wake up screaming
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Speaker 11: or her partner would overhear her screaming in her sleep.
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Speaker 9: And this is something that has severely affected her going forward.
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Speaker 9: She says over time that that PTSD has seemed to
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Speaker 9: lessen a little bit, but it took a very long
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Speaker 9: time to get back to a place of feeling secure.
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Speaker 9: And she said she was terrified to go to police
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Speaker 9: like he did. She was so afraid of.
20:38
Speaker 11: The violence escalating that she didn't want to report this
20:41
Speaker 11: or talk about it with anyone.
20:49
Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, Philip Debay is
20:58
Speaker 2: joining me veteran trial law. You're out of the La jurisdiction, Debay,
21:04
Speaker 2: We're seeing a whole another animal right now. We've heard
21:08
Speaker 2: about beatings and draggings and yanking people by their hair
21:13
Speaker 2: and kicking them, and that's something that a lot of
21:16
Speaker 2: people see, whether it's in the movies, whether they've seen
21:21
Speaker 2: it in real life. But dangling someone off a seventeenth
21:26
Speaker 2: floor balcony, that's a whole other thing that really can't
21:33
Speaker 2: be made up.
21:34
Speaker 12: No, of course not.
21:35
Speaker 1: But how I would play it if.
21:37
Speaker 12: I were his counsel, is, like you said earlier, is
21:41
Speaker 12: it real or is it just real testimony? Because if
21:44
Speaker 12: you remember, it came out that she was hooked on
21:47
Speaker 12: ketamine and all kinds of other drugs that are various
21:51
Speaker 12: types of anesthetics that put you in a trans like state,
21:54
Speaker 12: almost in a twilight state. So who really knows what,
21:57
Speaker 12: if anything? She accurately members and it is nice.
22:01
Speaker 2: See Cassie, we're doing drugs. Where do you think they
22:04
Speaker 2: got those drugs?
22:04
Speaker 12: Debate, Let's give him that, Let's pretend, let's really pretend
22:09
Speaker 12: he was applying them with dope. It is not his
22:12
Speaker 12: MO to be defenestrating people. It's just simply not the case.
22:16
Speaker 12: But I think for him better yet, is that just
22:21
Speaker 12: because he is in a respond superior mob boss, he
22:26
Speaker 12: can be acting in his individual maniacal capacity unmedicated that
22:32
Speaker 12: does not fall under RICO. It falls under state crimes
22:35
Speaker 12: and the statutes of limitation have run. So what the
22:39
Speaker 12: Feds are doing is they're using RICO as an end
22:42
Speaker 12: run around the state statutal limitations that local DA's blue.
22:46
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what's interesting. I'm going to try to
22:49
Speaker 1: pretend I didn't hear anything. Did they just say? Because
22:51
Speaker 1: it was like.
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Speaker 2: Linn Shaw is joining me, founder and a writer of
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Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex abuse and sex trafficking.
23:01
Speaker 1: On women and girls.
23:04
Speaker 2: You know what, every time we hear about a pimp branding,
23:10
Speaker 2: let's go with branding a victim or threatening her in
23:17
Speaker 2: some bizarre way, or torturing her in some unorthodox manner.
23:24
Speaker 2: And I came up with branding because of a famous
23:27
Speaker 2: case we were just investigating where all of the victims
23:30
Speaker 2: were branded. And it really sticks out in your mind
23:37
Speaker 2: because it's unusual, you don't hear of it very often.
23:41
Speaker 2: But actually, what Shaw Colms is accused of doing here
23:46
Speaker 2: is no better than what.
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Speaker 1: Pimps do to women under their control.
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Speaker 13: What we're forgetting here in all of this discussion is
23:56
Speaker 13: we saw that woman on the video, you know, calling
23:59
Speaker 13: out how great is and I'm paraphrasing a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And alleged crimes.
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Speaker 6: We know all this, but how.
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Speaker 13: About you know what's being lost here? All of the
24:06
Speaker 13: women and victims and not only of ditties, because every
24:11
Speaker 13: single day at my organization and other coalition organizations across
24:14
Speaker 13: the United States, guess what, Nancy, we have to put
24:17
Speaker 13: out statements to all of our survivors around the country's
24:20
Speaker 13: country because they're so triggered from hearing all of this.
24:24
Speaker 13: And on top of it. I want to point out, Anthony,
24:27
Speaker 13: I hope you're booked to testify or something. I hope
24:30
Speaker 13: they have some trauma bonding specialists going in there, psychoanalysts,
24:33
Speaker 13: psychologists to explain about this trauma bonding, trauma vulnerable witnesses.
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Speaker 1: And let me also.
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Speaker 13: Point out, I don't want to hear about drugs. You
24:43
Speaker 13: know why because anybody who is addicted and these Cassie
24:47
Speaker 13: herself admitted drugs, drugs, drugs, and you know what, they
24:50
Speaker 13: will do anything to stay by that person who will
24:52
Speaker 13: supply the drugs, including taking beatings, doing crimes for them.
24:56
Speaker 13: So we've got to turn this around, and we've got
24:59
Speaker 13: to support victims across the country in this story because
25:03
Speaker 13: I'm getting tired of every single day I don't know
25:05
Speaker 13: how to explain it to them. And we're a week four.
25:07
Speaker 13: They're asking what's going on. They are so triggered, and
25:09
Speaker 13: we have lawyers all over televisions and online talking about things,
25:13
Speaker 13: putting ideas out there. This case cannot be sex trafficking.
25:16
Speaker 13: It's not going to be you know, manact this, that
25:18
Speaker 13: and the other thing. It better darn well be reco
25:22
Speaker 13: case criminal enterprise, because you know what, the only thing
25:25
Speaker 13: in my mind that makes all this stick is no
25:27
Speaker 13: matter what happens at the end of the day, is
25:29
Speaker 13: that Cassie video and that hotel hallway, and that's all
25:33
Speaker 13: I hope they convict him.
25:35
Speaker 6: That's my on that.
25:36
Speaker 2: You know, the more the defense objects to any particular
25:41
Speaker 2: line of questioning, the more sensitive it is. Right, the
25:45
Speaker 2: more you scream at the dentist office is because that's
25:48
Speaker 2: the more it hurts right there on that particular tooth.
25:51
Speaker 2: And they went after this witness tooth and nail. To
25:56
Speaker 2: Lauren Colin, there was quite across examination of her on
26:01
Speaker 2: the stand.
26:02
Speaker 7: What happened during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination of Rihanna Bongolan,
26:06
Speaker 7: she also got her to say that after a week
26:10
Speaker 7: after the alleged balcony incident, Rihanna was going to private
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Speaker 7: parties with Sean Colmes and she was actually texting back
26:18
Speaker 7: and forth with Cassy a few days later about having
26:21
Speaker 7: a sleepover. So Wes Morland said to her, you know,
26:24
Speaker 7: this horrible thing happened to you, and a week later
26:27
Speaker 7: you're willing to go back and have a sleepover. And
26:30
Speaker 7: Bongolan just said, I guess so. And there was some
26:34
Speaker 7: tense moments going back and forth. Because of her original
26:40
Speaker 7: civil suit, she did fire her attorney, Tyrone Blackburn. He
26:44
Speaker 7: came up a number of times today because she said
26:47
Speaker 7: that he kind of misinterpreted what she said and alleged
26:50
Speaker 7: some kind of sexual assault happened or did he groped
26:54
Speaker 7: her when lifting her up as he allegedly dangled her.
26:58
Speaker 6: And Wes Moreland said, well.
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Speaker 7: You know you fired Blackburn, but you still perpetuated this
27:05
Speaker 7: this lie. So to speak with with your other attorneys
27:08
Speaker 7: in that lawsuit and your new updated lawsuit as well,
27:11
Speaker 7: did you not? And you know she kind of said, well,
27:13
Speaker 7: I didn't write all of that in the new lawsuit.
27:16
Speaker 6: My attorneys did.
27:17
Speaker 7: So it was just a lot of back and forth
27:20
Speaker 7: about that and very tense. I'm not going to say
27:22
Speaker 7: it was hostile, but it was. It was uncomfortable and
27:26
Speaker 7: it was aggressive, and it was a lot of can
27:29
Speaker 7: you rephrase this?
27:30
Speaker 6: Can you rephrase that? And I think that.
27:32
Speaker 7: Was just causing just some discomfort in the gallery. I
27:36
Speaker 7: guess it was tedious. It was long, but I would
27:38
Speaker 7: say the points were well taken and the cross was
27:42
Speaker 7: well taken.
27:43
Speaker 2: Row busted didty Bucks Diddy allegedly paid off an employee
27:51
Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars to keep these victims quiet.
27:56
Speaker 3: These used to throwing money at any situation to get
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Speaker 3: what See wants.
28:02
Speaker 2: One hundred thousand dollars diddy bucks. We don't live at
28:06
Speaker 2: the courthouse. Standing by is investigative reporter Lauren Conlin. Let's
28:11
Speaker 2: go straight to the Monahan courthouse. Lauren Conlin, we just
28:15
Speaker 2: brought up in conversation drug use where Doubet tries to
28:20
Speaker 2: victim blame the victims here and Cassie claiming that they
28:25
Speaker 2: were on drugs. Well maybe they were, but even a
28:29
Speaker 2: woman on drugs can be abused, or a woman that's
28:32
Speaker 2: had a drink can be abused, or a woman that
28:35
Speaker 2: wore a short skirt or went jogging by herself, or
28:38
Speaker 2: walked from the target to her car in the parking
28:41
Speaker 2: deck and got kidnapped. All of those people that did
28:44
Speaker 2: something wrong can become victims. What can you tell me
28:50
Speaker 2: about drugs being discussed in the courtroom.
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Speaker 7: Westmoreland also really focused on the heavy drug use that
28:58
Speaker 7: Cassie and Bonglin once partook in. We talked about drugs
29:03
Speaker 7: for a significant amount of time, and in my opinion,
29:06
Speaker 7: that was just to remind the jury that maybe her
29:08
Speaker 7: memory is not so great after doing so many drugs.
29:12
Speaker 6: But overall it was it was it was sad to
29:16
Speaker 6: watch her on the stand.
29:17
Speaker 7: She really seemed to have some PTSD over this incident,
29:21
Speaker 7: and who wouldn't And what is.
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Speaker 1: That, doctor Bethany Marshall.
29:24
Speaker 14: PTSD Post traumatic stress disorder is when somebody has had
29:29
Speaker 14: such a traumatic event that no prior learning can equip
29:33
Speaker 14: them or prepare them to handle the situation. Flashbacks, avoidance
29:37
Speaker 14: of anything that reminds them of the dreaded situation, tearfulness, isolation,
29:43
Speaker 14: numbing Nancy. I think the numbing is particularly important because
29:47
Speaker 14: women who are sex trafficked often become addicted to drugs
29:51
Speaker 14: by their johns, and they are primed for addiction because
29:55
Speaker 14: they're trying to numb out to tolerate the abuse. And
29:59
Speaker 14: these dreams, these night terrors are a flashback, and we
30:04
Speaker 14: think of the avoidance, which is the primary hallmark of PTSD.
30:08
Speaker 14: These women are primed.
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Speaker 5: To go through the rest of their life avoiding relationships, conflict,
30:14
Speaker 5: anything that could remind them of all the trauma and
30:16
Speaker 5: the abuse that they suffered.
30:18
Speaker 2: Speaking of drugs, whatever happened to the drug mule that
30:24
Speaker 2: allegedly worked for Sean comes.
30:27
Speaker 1: Where is he in this scenario? Listen, While Sean Combs's legal.
30:31
Speaker 15: Troubles are far from over, his so called drug mule
30:33
Speaker 15: has completed the requirements of his plea deal and all
30:36
Speaker 15: charges against him have been dropped. Brendan Paul faced charges
30:40
Speaker 15: for possession of both cocaine and marijuana when he was
30:43
Speaker 15: caught with the substances on Diddy's private jet back in March,
30:47
Speaker 15: but as a first time offender, Paul was allowed to
30:50
Speaker 15: enter a pre trial diversion program with the benefit of
30:53
Speaker 15: a clean record on successful completion.
30:55
Speaker 2: I wonder if Brendan Paul is going to be part
30:59
Speaker 2: of the States case regarding Sean Combs as drugs.
31:02
Speaker 1: And here it is, you're.
31:04
Speaker 2: Blaming the victims for allegedly using drugs, but yet nobody's
31:09
Speaker 2: saying who supplied them the drugs, where'd they come from?
31:12
Speaker 2: And in the last hours we have heard for the
31:15
Speaker 2: first time about GHB gamma hydroxy buterrate being given to
31:20
Speaker 2: a victim. We heard that at the get go, when
31:23
Speaker 2: this was all just swirling as gossip speaking of drugs.
31:29
Speaker 2: No one can get out of their mind. The Mansion
31:33
Speaker 2: raid video. This is one our friends at TMZ. Now,
31:37
Speaker 2: isn't it true, Sidney Sumner drugs were found during the raid?
31:43
Speaker 11: Yes, Nancy, there were a good number of drugs recovered
31:49
Speaker 11: from Sean Diddy Coombe's Miami mansions. Now, this property is
31:54
Speaker 11: actually two separate houses that Sean Combs has combined into
31:58
Speaker 11: one large estate. And there were pills, powders, and my
32:04
Speaker 11: personal favorite was a giant green trunk that had Diddy
32:09
Speaker 11: written on the side of it that was stock full
32:11
Speaker 11: of marijuana and marijuana associated products.
32:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was said, did he on it? Okay,
32:19
Speaker 2: who's going to claim, Oh, that's not mine?
32:21
Speaker 1: It has his name on it. For Pete's sake.
32:23
Speaker 2: I mean, how vain, Rob shooter, you got your drug
32:28
Speaker 2: bag with your name engraved on it?
32:30
Speaker 4: Really stupid, absolutely stupid.
32:32
Speaker 3: Now, I was looking at that footage though, did He
32:34
Speaker 3: was a real neat freak, So that is not how
32:37
Speaker 3: his office would be. If you looked at my office,
32:39
Speaker 3: it might look a little like that, even without a raid,
32:42
Speaker 3: but did he was very, very neat, and so this
32:44
Speaker 3: is not how his office would have been. So they
32:47
Speaker 3: really searched, they really looked deeply in there, and they
32:50
Speaker 3: found what I think are the goods and ultimately now
32:54
Speaker 3: his name's on it.
32:55
Speaker 4: It was in his house.
32:56
Speaker 2: He's going to own this, Okay, so hey, look at
32:59
Speaker 2: all the those tennis shoes, man, those are that's thousands
33:04
Speaker 2: and thousands of dollars.
33:05
Speaker 1: Again, this from my friends at TMZ, my friend Harvey Levin.
33:09
Speaker 2: Shooter, you very carefully sidestepped any drug use you observed
33:16
Speaker 2: while while working for Sean Combs.
33:19
Speaker 4: I would never don't lie to me, you, Nancy Grace.
33:23
Speaker 4: I would tell you everything.
33:26
Speaker 3: Anything you want ask away comes use drugs, I would guess, Yes,
33:29
Speaker 3: I didn't see him do drugs.
33:31
Speaker 4: There were times when I was with him when he
33:33
Speaker 4: was when he was I didn't.
33:35
Speaker 3: I really didn't. And there was times when you get
33:37
Speaker 3: really odd texts emails from him. And now looking back,
33:41
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that those times he was on drugs, I
33:44
Speaker 3: didn't see him do.
33:46
Speaker 2: And I guess part of it is Shooter, that when
33:48
Speaker 2: you saw him it was for like a photo shoot
33:50
Speaker 2: or completing his you know, videography, everything that he was doing.
33:57
Speaker 2: But it's very hard when you're hooked on drugs to separated.
34:01
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I wonder if you somehow
34:05
Speaker 2: missed this shooter. That Louis Vuton bag Shawn comes carried
34:10
Speaker 2: with him everywhere. It was stuffed with viagra and some
34:16
Speaker 2: rearly potent form of viagra adviilt water PILs appeals to
34:21
Speaker 2: increase his sperm count, cash, ecstasy, percocet. It goes on
34:30
Speaker 2: and on, stuffed with it his Louis Veton bag, and
34:36
Speaker 2: we went everywhere with drugs. Yet now we're hearing an
34:39
Speaker 2: attack on the victims because they may have used drugs.
34:42
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy is not lost on me. He did travel
34:46
Speaker 3: with a bag. His assistant always had a bag. I
34:49
Speaker 3: assumed it was grooming products. I really did.
34:52
Speaker 4: I sound stupid and naive about it, but I didn't
34:54
Speaker 4: know that this It.
34:55
Speaker 2: Was VIAGRAA and astroglide. Man viagra and astro glid crime
35:07
Speaker 2: stores with Nancy Grace to the courthouse standing by Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 1: Lauren. We also heard.
35:16
Speaker 2: In detail from a videographer, a video expert, Frank Piazza.
35:21
Speaker 1: What happened.
35:21
Speaker 7: We heard from the government expert Frank Piazza, who works
35:25
Speaker 7: for Legal and Audio Video. He's a forensic video expert
35:29
Speaker 7: and essentially his testimony for the government was that he
35:35
Speaker 7: put together the surveillance footage from the Intercontinental Hotel and
35:40
Speaker 7: the cell phone footage that we've seen previously.
35:44
Speaker 6: He put this together chronologically.
35:46
Speaker 7: He described why certain things happen, why sometimes the time
35:51
Speaker 7: stamps get ahead. He said that sometimes there are you know,
35:55
Speaker 7: thirty frames in a second, but we're seeing twenty two.
35:59
Speaker 7: He explained that, you know, when we are looking at this,
36:03
Speaker 7: he inserted black spots or a black screen when seconds
36:09
Speaker 7: were skipped, and these seconds were skipped due to motion
36:13
Speaker 7: sensors and all of that type of forensic video stuff
36:17
Speaker 7: that a lot of us don't understand, but we were
36:19
Speaker 7: really trying to. But essentially he wanted us to know
36:22
Speaker 7: that really nothing was altered and the video is a
36:26
Speaker 7: good depiction of what we saw in the hallway on
36:30
Speaker 7: March fifth, twenty sixteen, which of course is the infamous
36:33
Speaker 7: video of Cassie being tragically beaten.
36:38
Speaker 1: And Lauren Colin.
36:39
Speaker 2: Of course, that did not stop the defense from a
36:42
Speaker 2: vigorous cross examination.
36:44
Speaker 7: Right what happened when Tenny Gerret goes to the cross examination,
36:47
Speaker 7: she just wanted to point out certain things that maybe
36:52
Speaker 7: gipped ahead too much. You know, there were five second
36:55
Speaker 7: differences in certain frames because the motion sensor wasn't picking
37:00
Speaker 7: up on any motion. So for example, we saw Diddy,
37:04
Speaker 7: you know, a bag was in his hand and then
37:06
Speaker 7: the bag was dropped, and this happened because five seconds were.
37:09
Speaker 6: Skipped because of again a motion sensor.
37:13
Speaker 7: So she just wanted to make it clear that certain
37:16
Speaker 7: angles we saw in this video, things weren't quite as
37:20
Speaker 7: fast moving as it would seem because of certain just
37:25
Speaker 7: issues because of the way that the surveillance footage was
37:28
Speaker 7: was shot. It was an older system at the time,
37:31
Speaker 7: and again that testimony, I think a lot of us
37:34
Speaker 7: were really focused on trying to understand it as well
37:38
Speaker 7: as the jury joining.
37:39
Speaker 2: Me now expert to break it all down for us.
37:42
Speaker 2: Todd Shipley, digital cybercrime expert, former detective sergeant with Reno PD,
37:48
Speaker 2: twenty five years in LA law enforcement and author of
37:52
Speaker 2: Surviving a Cyber Attack and Investigating Internet Crimes. Thank you
37:58
Speaker 2: for being with us. You can find at Dark Intel
38:01
Speaker 2: Info and Tash Shiplake. What is she saying? What were
38:06
Speaker 2: they trying to do on the stand, Well.
38:09
Speaker 16: The prosecution was try to introduce the film that was
38:12
Speaker 16: a video recording of a video recording of what occurred,
38:16
Speaker 16: and so they successfully got it in the testimony wasn't
38:20
Speaker 16: really rebutted, although the defense tried to set up that
38:23
Speaker 16: there were some issues with the film itself and the timestamps,
38:27
Speaker 16: but all that was clearly defined and identified by the
38:31
Speaker 16: witness to say that it's normal behavior because of how
38:35
Speaker 16: the film was made, which was a iPhone video of
38:38
Speaker 16: another video, and so they were able to get it
38:41
Speaker 16: clearly introduced. And it's going to be damning evidence along
38:44
Speaker 16: with all the other potential evidence that exists, because there's
38:48
Speaker 16: ninety pieces of digital evidence that are going to come
38:50
Speaker 16: in that the FBI's taken.
38:51
Speaker 1: Where do you get the number ninety pieces.
38:53
Speaker 16: Well, it's been reported in the news that there's that
38:57
Speaker 16: many pieces of evidence that were taken from the various
39:01
Speaker 16: search warrants of his properties. So we'll see how whether
39:05
Speaker 16: that all comes out, whether how much of it gets introduced,
39:07
Speaker 16: but there's a lot of digital evidence potentially in this
39:10
Speaker 16: case to reflect on what occurred.
39:13
Speaker 2: You know what, ton Shipley is a good thing the
39:15
Speaker 2: state had this witness, Frank Piazza, on the stand because
39:19
Speaker 2: they could have just entered well they did, they introduced
39:23
Speaker 2: the video already, but if they hadn't had that.
39:26
Speaker 1: Witness on the stand.
39:28
Speaker 2: They could have used those glitches in the video and
39:31
Speaker 2: claim that it had been tampered with and it wasn't real.
39:35
Speaker 2: They could argue that in their closing statements. So thank
39:38
Speaker 2: goodness they had Piazza right well exactly.
39:41
Speaker 16: I mean, he clearly identified why those things occurred and
39:45
Speaker 16: how they occurred. And without his testimony, you're correct, they
39:48
Speaker 16: would have said that there was a problem with the film,
39:50
Speaker 16: and he shut down that whole defense that there was
39:53
Speaker 16: a problem with the film. Unless they bring somebody else
39:56
Speaker 16: on to dispute it, you know, it's going to stand
39:59
Speaker 16: that the is as was shown and there's you know,
40:03
Speaker 16: not going to be defense against it.
40:05
Speaker 2: Lauren Colin at the courthouse, the Monahand Courthouse, Lauren, I'm
40:08
Speaker 2: very curious about how the jury is reacting to what's happening.
40:12
Speaker 7: I have to try so hard to not make any
40:16
Speaker 7: type of expression or faith when I am watching that video.
40:20
Speaker 7: I'm in a new spot today in the courtroom, so
40:23
Speaker 7: I was observing the jury and most of the jurors
40:26
Speaker 7: still don't have a reaction to watching that video over
40:29
Speaker 7: and over again, although there is one man that does
40:33
Speaker 7: seem very pained by it.
40:35
Speaker 6: He kind of has his head down.
40:37
Speaker 7: You know, you can kind of see him sort of
40:38
Speaker 7: shaking from time to time.
40:48
Speaker 1: You hear that debate, it's the death knew.
40:53
Speaker 2: You see a jar or hanging their head during the testimony,
40:59
Speaker 2: it's the nail response.
41:03
Speaker 4: That's only one out of twelve.
41:05
Speaker 12: Remember, you've got to get a dozen, or a baker's does.
41:08
Speaker 12: And assuming you get one kicked and have to put
41:09
Speaker 12: in an alternate one does not get you a verdict period.
41:14
Speaker 12: If anything, that would be a defense win. And by
41:17
Speaker 12: the way I have learned over the years, I do
41:19
Speaker 12: not ever judge my success during a trial based on
41:24
Speaker 12: the nodding, grimacing of a juror or notes that their taking,
41:28
Speaker 12: because all the magic changes.
41:30
Speaker 6: One six, I'm.
41:31
Speaker 1: Hearing something from the courthouse. Oh yeah, it's Diddy's death nail.
41:38
Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds, and now we remember an
41:43
Speaker 2: American hero, Sergeant Floyd Miles, Charles City County Sheriff's Office,
41:48
Speaker 2: passed away in a line of duty and leaves behind
41:52
Speaker 2: grieving wife Denise and children Steven Rashad and Taikwan. American
41:59
Speaker 2: hero Lloyd Miles, Nancy Grace signing off ood Bye friend,