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- 0:17The Unexplained to the Mundane, join us on our
- 0:21journey to the Fringe. We are your podcast hosts
- 0:48Taylor and Chelsea here today I decided to take
- 0:51the approach of there's a bunch of small things
- 0:54here and there where you're just like, where
- 0:55does that come from? I just wanted to look into
- 0:58these and none of them could fill an episode
- 0:59on their own But all these things combined lead
- 1:02to I think a pretty I'm so curious episode because
- 1:04I don't know the last time I was like, where's
- 1:06that small thing come from? But maybe I was maybe
- 1:09you'll see it and I'll be like, yeah I was just
- 1:11thinking about where that comes from and I guess
- 1:13I do throw that whole concept right out the window
- 1:15right up off the bat when I say Chelsea, where
- 1:17do you think Halloween itself comes from? comes
- 1:20from. It's not a Christian holiday, but it is
- 1:22celebrated in North America with all the standard
- 1:26Christian holidays and it's as big as a bunch
- 1:28of them. Yeah. Well, at this point, it's just
- 1:30capitalism. I feel like it's a celebration of
- 1:34us spending our money. But originally, doesn't
- 1:37it come from Sam Hain or something like that,
- 1:39which I don't know the details and it's like
- 1:41the changing of the seasons. Maybe I just totally
- 1:45made that up. I don't know. That's my best guess.
- 1:47I've always called it Sam Hain or Sam Hain. It
- 1:49is pronounced Samhain. No! S -A -H -W -I -N.
- 1:54We're gonna be talking about Samhain to begin
- 1:56with here, which I don't know if I can keep that
- 1:58name up the whole way through, but I'm gonna
- 2:00try. Can you please pretend like we didn't just
- 2:02have a conversation about how you pronounce it?
- 2:04What word are you trying to say? I can't picture
- 2:07it. Samhain. Samhain. Samhain. As I know it has.
- 2:13Modern Halloween traces its roots back to the
- 2:15ancient Gaelic festival of Samhain. traditionally
- 2:17celebrated by the Celts in Ireland, Scotland,
- 2:20and the Isle of Man. So it corresponds with November
- 2:231. Samhain marked the end of the harvest season
- 2:26and the beginning of the darker half of the year.
- 2:29Ah, okay. So like I was saying, like the end
- 2:31of the season... Because the Celtic calendar...
- 2:34or Celtic calendar, recorded days from sunset
- 2:37to sunset, celebrations began on the evening
- 2:40of October 31st, which was the beginning of November
- 2:431 for them, halfway between the autumnal equinox
- 2:47and the winter solstice. And if you think about
- 2:50it, September 21st is the fall equinox. So October
- 2:5431st is basically right in between September
- 2:5721st and December 21st. I never thought of it
- 3:00that way, actually. Now, Samhain was viewed as
- 3:03a liminal threshold when the veil between this
- 3:06world and the other world blurred. Supernatural
- 3:08spirits, also known as the Ausi, which I probably
- 3:11should have looked that word up too to see how
- 3:13it's said now, and the souls of deceased kin.
- 3:16were believed to cross over into the realm of
- 3:18the living. To appease these spirits and protect
- 3:20households during the coming winter, people left
- 3:22offerings of food and drink, lit protective hilltop
- 3:25bonfires, and wore costumes or disguises to avoid
- 3:28recognition by wandering ghosts. Where does this
- 3:31come from? Well, Irish mythology was originally
- 3:33a spoken tradition. Much of it was eventually
- 3:35written down in the Middle Ages by Christian
- 3:37monks. The 10th century tale, Talkmarc Emhyr,
- 3:40the wooing of Emhyr, lists Samhain as the first
- 3:43of the four seasonal festivals of the year. Literature
- 3:46says a piece would be declared and there were
- 3:49great gatherings where they held meetings, feasted,
- 3:52drank alcohol and held contests. These gatherings
- 3:55are a popular setting for early Irish tales.
- 3:57The tale Ectra Cormac or Cormac's Adventure says
- 4:01that the feast of Tara was held every seventh
- 4:03Samhain hosted by the High King of Ireland. during
- 4:07which new laws and duties were ordained. Anyone
- 4:09who broke the laws established during this time
- 4:11would be banished, and according to Irish mythology,
- 4:14Samhain was a time when the doorways to the other
- 4:16worlds opened, allowing supernatural beings and
- 4:19the souls of the dead to come into our world.
- 4:21While Bil -Tin was a summer festival, I have
- 4:25no idea how to actually say that one. Samhain
- 4:27was essentially a festival for the dead. A story
- 4:29called The Boyhood Deeds of Finn says that the
- 4:33fairy mounds, or portals of the Otherworld, were
- 4:35always open at Samhain. Each year, the fire -breather
- 4:39Aelyn emerges from the Otherworld and burns down
- 4:41the Palace of Tara during the Samhain festival
- 4:44after lulling everyone to sleep with his music.
- 4:47So why is it more focused around death? Is it
- 4:51just because of the time of year? It's just because
- 4:53you're entering the dark half of the year. Yeah,
- 4:55when the leaves are changing, like the trees
- 4:58are... And it's actually, a big part of it I
- 5:01haven't got to yet is that you're bringing your
- 5:03cattle from like the highlands where they were
- 5:05able to graze all summer down into the lower
- 5:08lands where they can still eat in the winter.
- 5:10And it's just like, it's bringing everything
- 5:12to its dormancy phase. Yeah. Yeah. So it just
- 5:16naturally kind of comes to a place with death
- 5:20and in that it kind of crosses with like the
- 5:24actual like monsters and like folklore and stuff
- 5:28like that. Yeah. It almost feels more like a
- 5:31Thanksgiving festival because like everything
- 5:32is being harvested and moved off. Yeah. Mixed
- 5:35with a bit of the dead. Yeah. And I say that
- 5:37too because we see it way far back with most
- 5:40celebrations that we have come from very different
- 5:44societies that celebrated the time of harvest
- 5:48and the changing of the seasons and then new
- 5:51life in the spring and then the death of in the
- 5:54fall and Christmas and stuff like that. Now with
- 5:57Samhain itself, it goes back a long time, but
- 6:01because the Gaelics or the Celtics never wrote
- 6:04down a lot, much of it doesn't come up until
- 6:07much later. So Samhain customs are mentioned
- 6:09in several medieval texts. In one called Kukhulan's
- 6:13Sickbed, it's said that the festival of Ulaid
- 6:15and Sawan lasted a week, Sawan itself in the
- 6:19three days before and after. It involved great
- 6:21gatherings where they held meetings, feasts to
- 6:23drink, alcohol, and held contests. The Togail
- 6:26-Bredwin -Da -Durga notes that bonfires were
- 6:29lit at Samhain and stones cast into the fires.
- 6:32It's also mentioned in Geoffrey Keating's Forest
- 6:35Fisa et Elviren, which was written in the early
- 6:371600s but drew on earlier medieval sources, some
- 6:40of which are unknown. It claims that the druids
- 6:42lit a sacred bonfire at Talactaga and made sacrifices
- 6:46to the gods, sometimes by burning their sacrifices.
- 6:49He adds that All other fires were doused and
- 6:51re -lit from this one bonfire. And this is one
- 6:54thing that, although you don't see it a lot anymore,
- 6:57I do know that bonfires are something that's
- 6:59somewhat related to Halloween. I could see it
- 7:01because it's starting to get dark earlier. Bonfires
- 7:04were lit and there were rituals involving them.
- 7:07By the early modern era, they were most common
- 7:09in parts of the Scottish Highlands, on the Isle
- 7:11of Man, in the North and Mid Wales. Only certain
- 7:14kinds of wood were traditionally used, but later
- 7:16records show that many kinds of flammable materials
- 7:18were burnt. It is suggested that the fires were
- 7:20a kind of imitative or sympathetic magic, mimicking
- 7:24the sun, helping the powers of growth and holding
- 7:26back the decay and darkness of winter. They may
- 7:28also have served to symbolically burn up and
- 7:30destroy all harmful influences. Accounts from
- 7:33the 18th and 19th centuries suggest that the
- 7:35fires, smoke and ashes were deemed to have protective
- 7:37and cleansing powers. People also took flames
- 7:40from the bonfire back to their homes, and during
- 7:42the 19th century in parts of Scotland, torches
- 7:44of burning fur or turf were carried sun -wise
- 7:48around homes and fields to protect them. In some
- 7:51places, people doused their hearth fires on Samhain
- 7:54night. Each family then solemnly relit its hearth
- 7:57from the communal bonfires, thus bonding the
- 7:59community. The 17th century writer Geoffrey Keating
- 8:02claimed that this was an ancient tradition instituted
- 8:04by the druids. Dosing the old fire and bringing
- 8:06in the new may have been a way of banishing evil,
- 8:09which was part of the New Year's festival in
- 8:10many countries. Also attached to the bonfires
- 8:13was divination. In the 18th century, Akhtatar,
- 8:17Ring of Stones, one for each person was laid
- 8:19around the fire, perhaps on a layer of ash, and
- 8:22everyone then ran around it with a torch exulting.
- 8:25In the morning, the stones were examined and
- 8:26if there were any mislaid, it was said that that
- 8:28person represented by it would not live out the
- 8:31year. A similar custom was observed in North
- 8:33Wales and in Brittany. James Frazier suggests
- 8:35that this may come from an older custom of actually
- 8:38burning people, or it may have always just been
- 8:40symbolic. They're not sure. Divination has likely
- 8:43been a part of the festivals since ancient times
- 8:45and has survived into some rural areas. At some
- 8:48household festivities throughout Gaelic regions
- 8:50and Wales, many rituals were intended to define
- 8:53the future of those gathered, especially concerning
- 8:55death and marriage. In some of them, two hazelnuts
- 8:58were roasted near a fire, one named for the person
- 9:01roasting them and the other for the person they
- 9:02desired. If the nuts jumped away from the heat,
- 9:05it was a bad sign, but if the nuts roasted quietly,
- 9:08foretold an excellent match. Items were hidden
- 9:11in food, usually a cake and portions of it served
- 9:13out at random. Person's future was foretold by
- 9:16the item they happened to find. For example,
- 9:17a ring meant marriage and a coin meant wealth.
- 9:20Salty oatmeal bannock was baked and the person
- 9:22ate it with three bites and then went to bed
- 9:24in silence without anything to drink. This was
- 9:26said to result in dreams in which their future
- 9:28spouse offers them a drink to quench their thirst.
- 9:31Egg whites were dropped in water and the shapes
- 9:33foretold the number of future children. I like
- 9:35all the divination around this. Yeah, it's super
- 9:38cool. Because Samhain was seen as a liminal time
- 9:41when the boundary between this world and the
- 9:43other world could more easily be crossed, this
- 9:46meant that the Aosi or the spirits or fairies
- 9:49could more easily come into our world. Many scholars
- 9:52see the Aosi, I'm just gonna call them fairies
- 9:54because I know how to say that word. Fairies
- 9:56are remnants of pagan gods and nature spirits.
- 9:59At Samhain, it was believed that the fairies
- 10:01needed to be propitiated to ensure that the people
- 10:04in their livestock survived the winter. Offerings
- 10:06of food and drink would be left outside for the
- 10:09fairies, and portions of the crop might be left
- 10:12in the ground for them. One custom, described
- 10:14as a blatant example of a pagan rite surviving
- 10:17into the Christian epoch, was recorded in the
- 10:18Outer Hebrids and Iona in the 17th century. On
- 10:22the night of October 31, fishermen and their
- 10:24families would go down to the shore. One man
- 10:27would wade into the water up to his waist, where
- 10:29he'd pour out a cup of ale and ask, whom he called
- 10:33God of the Sea to bestow on them a good cash.
- 10:36The custom was ended in the 1670s after a campaign
- 10:38by ministers but the ceremony shifted to the
- 10:41springtime and survived. People also took special
- 10:43care not to offend the fairy and sought to ward
- 10:46off anyone out to cause mischief. They stayed
- 10:48near to home or if forced to walk in the darkness
- 10:51turned their clothing inside out or carried iron
- 10:53or salt to keep them at bay. In southern Ireland
- 10:56it was customary on Samhain to weave a small
- 10:58cross of sticks and straw called a perishal.
- 11:01which was similar to a Brigid's Cross and God's
- 11:04Eye. It was fixed over the doorway to ward off
- 11:07bad luck, sickness, and witchcraft, and would
- 11:09be replaced each Samhain. The dead were also
- 11:11honored at Samhain. The beginning of winter may
- 11:14have been seen as the most fitting time to do
- 11:16so, as it was the time of dying in nature. The
- 11:19souls of the dead were thought to revisit their
- 11:20homes, seeking hospitality. Places were set at
- 11:23the dinner table by the fire to welcome them.
- 11:25The belief that the souls of the dead return
- 11:26home on one night of the year must be appeased
- 11:29seems to have an ancient origin and is found
- 11:31in many cultures throughout the world. It was
- 11:33perhaps a natural thought that the approach of
- 11:35winter would drive the poor shivering hungry
- 11:37ghost from the bare fields and leafless woodlands
- 11:40to the shelter of the cottage. However, the souls
- 11:43of thankful kin would return to bestow blessings
- 11:45just as easily as that of a wrong person who
- 11:47would return to wreak revenge. And now Chelsea,
- 11:50this is the important part that we still definitely
- 11:52practice from Samhain. In some areas, mumming
- 11:55and guising were part of Samhain. It was first
- 11:58recorded in the 16th century in Scotland and
- 12:00later in parts of Ireland, Man and Wales. People
- 12:04went from house to house in costume or disguise,
- 12:07usually reciting songs or verses in exchange
- 12:09for food. It may have evolved from a tradition
- 12:13whereby people impersonated the fairies or the
- 12:15souls of the dead and received offerings on their
- 12:18behalf. Impersonating these spirits or souls
- 12:20was also believed to protect oneself from them.
- 12:23Some experts suggest that geysers personify the
- 12:26old spirits of the winter who demanded reward
- 12:29in exchange for good fortune. Some suggest that
- 12:31the ancient festival included people in masks
- 12:34or costumes representing these spirits and that
- 12:36the modern custom came from this. In Ireland,
- 12:38costumes were sometimes worn by those who went
- 12:41about before nightfall collecting for a Samhain
- 12:44feast. And Chelsea, I just got to show you. They
- 12:46show an costume example of somebody mumming or
- 12:48geising. If people did these as their Halloween
- 12:51costumes, I would be all for this. Hey, I'm looking
- 12:54for some ideas for my Halloween costume currently.
- 12:58Well, I'm not going to lie. You're going to need
- 13:00a horse skull. No, I don't think that I would
- 13:03like that. That's apparently a very traditional
- 13:06Welsh costume. But is it which is just like a
- 13:09ghost sheep. I don't know what I'm looking at.
- 13:12Is it the horse skull dressing up or is would
- 13:15they wear the horse skull as they would wear
- 13:17this and hold the horse head? Okay, I don't know
- 13:20if I'm quite feeling that. I don't know where
- 13:23you get a horse skull, that's the whole thing.
- 13:25I used to know. Well, I could have at least got
- 13:27my hands on like a... We were at one point closer
- 13:30to being able to get a horse skull, you're right.
- 13:33Yeah, some type of animal skull. I could have
- 13:35definitely at one point in my life procured one
- 13:37fairly quickly. Don't ask questions, I won't
- 13:41answer those questions. Now in Scotland, young
- 13:44men went house to house with... Masked, veiled,
- 13:47painted, or blackened faces, often threatening
- 13:49to do mischief if they were not welcomed. This
- 13:51was common in the 16th century in Scottish countryside
- 13:54and persisted into the 20th century. It suggested
- 13:56that the blackened faces come from using the
- 13:58bonfire ash for protection. In Ireland in the
- 14:01late 18th century, peasants carried sticks, went
- 14:04house to house on sow and collecting food for
- 14:06the feast. Charles Valancy wrote that they demanded
- 14:09this in the name of Saint Combe Kill. Asking
- 14:12people to, quote, lay aside the fatted calf and
- 14:15bring forth the black sheep, end quote. In parts
- 14:18of southern Ireland, during the 19th century,
- 14:20the geysers included a hobby horse known as the
- 14:23Larabane, the white mare, which is what you saw
- 14:25above. If you were Chelsea, that is. A man covered
- 14:27in a white sheet carrying a decorated horse skull
- 14:29would lead a group of youths, blowing on cowhorns
- 14:32from farm to farm. At each they recited verses,
- 14:35some of which savored strongly of paganism. and
- 14:38the farmer was expected to donate food. By doing
- 14:41so, he could expect good fortune from Muk Ola.
- 14:44Not doing so would bring misfortune. This is
- 14:47akin to the Grey Mare procession in Wales, which
- 14:50takes place at midwinter. In Wales, the white
- 14:52horse is often seen as an omen of death. Elsewhere
- 14:54in Europe, costumes, mumming, and hobby horses
- 14:57were part of Other yearly festivals, however,
- 14:59in the Celtic speaking regions, they were particularly
- 15:02appropriate to a night upon which supernatural
- 15:04beings were said to be abroad and could be imitated
- 15:08or warded off by human wanderers. Do you think
- 15:11it's because of the culture around fairies and
- 15:14stuff like that, that they're kind of woven in
- 15:17here? Yeah, they're tricksters. Yeah. With the
- 15:20supernatural portion of it? I'm just trying to
- 15:24fit it otherwise. Like I know souls come back,
- 15:28right, to visit. It's the one time a year. Yeah,
- 15:30but I think the important thing with like the
- 15:32trickster, the souls do come back and you need
- 15:34to reward them and make sure to get your goods.
- 15:37But it's also like you need to either take steps
- 15:39to ward off the fairies or you need to give them
- 15:42something so that they don't cause mischief for
- 15:44you. Okay. Here's a quote from an expert on this
- 15:48matter, I just need to find this guy's first
- 15:49name, Ronald Hutton. He wrote that when imitating
- 15:53malignant spirits it was a very short step from
- 15:55guising to playing pranks, end quote. Playing
- 15:58pranks at Samhain is recorded in the Scottish
- 16:00Highlands as far back as 1736 and was also common
- 16:03in Ireland which led to Samhain being nicknamed
- 16:06mischief night in some parts. Wearing costumes
- 16:08at Halloween from here spread to England in the
- 16:1120th century and as did the customs of playing
- 16:13pranks. though there had been mumming at other
- 16:16festivals. At the time of mass transatlantic
- 16:18Irish and Scottish immigration, which popularized
- 16:21Halloween in North America, Halloween in Ireland,
- 16:23and Scotland had a strong tradition of guising
- 16:25and pranks. Trick or treating may have come from
- 16:28the custom of going door -to -door collecting
- 16:29food for Samhain festivals, fuel for Samhain
- 16:32bonfires, or offerings for the fairies. Is it
- 16:37not like one -for -one? It started out as like
- 16:39gathering food for feasts. Yeah. And then people
- 16:42started dressing up because it was the fae and
- 16:44the ghosts coming. People started either imitating
- 16:46the ghosts or being people behind masks, knew
- 16:48they could be assholes, and that's kind of trick
- 16:50-or -treating. It came right from there. and
- 16:52it kind of evolves as well it is a long evolution
- 16:56obviously but even within what you're talking
- 16:58about there's an evolution of things that happen
- 17:01and now you look at what it is today but i didn't
- 17:04know the specifics of this i guess it makes sense
- 17:07quick question spoiler alert the turnips You
- 17:12don't worry about the turnips until I talk about
- 17:14them right now. That's why I put it that way.
- 17:16I wanted it because then I was like, oh, maybe
- 17:18that's the next thing you're talking about. Okay.
- 17:20The next thing that I want to talk about is the
- 17:23jack -o -lantern, which is I think the tantamount
- 17:27symbol of Halloween is the jack -o -lantern,
- 17:30which if somehow you don't know what I'm talking
- 17:32about, it is the face carved into the pumpkin
- 17:34with a candle inside. Oh, okay. Thank you. There
- 17:38you go. Chelsea's been waiting so long for that
- 17:40one. I wasn't sure what to call those. Now, the
- 17:44custom of carving lanterns at Halloween originates
- 17:47in Ireland and Britain, where people hollowed
- 17:49out turnips, or manglewurzles. A manglewurzle?
- 17:53They're beets. Manglewurzles are beets. Oh, cool.
- 17:57That, you know what? I'd like to see that. I'm
- 17:59Googling it right now. They would hollow out
- 18:02turnips or beets to create grinning lanterns
- 18:05carved with grotesque faces. These lanterns were
- 18:07placed on window sills to ward off evil spirits
- 18:10or carried during nighttime guising. In Irish
- 18:13folklore, the practice was tied to the tale of
- 18:16Stingy Jack, a cunning figure condemned to wander
- 18:19the earth with only a carved turnip containing
- 18:21a burning ember from hell. Oh my gosh, that's
- 18:25what I'm looking for. I love that. When Irish
- 18:28and Scottish immigrants brought these Halloween
- 18:30customs to North America in the 19th century,
- 18:32they found pumpkins, which were native to the
- 18:34Americas, far easier to carve than turnips. And
- 18:37over time, the carved pumpkin jack -o -lantern...
- 18:39I can see that. ...became the definitive symbol
- 18:42of Halloween across the globe. Okay, but these
- 18:45beets and turnips? Far spookier. Oh, they are
- 18:49terrifying. I might bring it back. If you Google
- 18:52it, people are still holding it up and there's
- 18:55how -to's. to do it. Good, because they are so
- 18:57much more terrifying than their counterpart.
- 19:00They are. No, this is great. I think I might
- 19:02have to do it. I like this little dying guy that
- 19:05you see all over the place. It looks like a tiny
- 19:07baby. Yeah, I'm probably looking at the same
- 19:10picture as you. It almost looks like a mummy.
- 19:11Yeah, it really does. It's eerie. I like it.
- 19:15I really like this idea. I'll bring it back.
- 19:18I'll go trick or treating with it. The next one
- 19:21is something that is absolutely associated with
- 19:23Halloween. I've never done it and I don't know
- 19:25anybody who has. I guess I haven't asked anybody,
- 19:28but bobbing for apples. I've never done it, if
- 19:31you were asking. But it is straight up. If you're
- 19:33going to say things that happen at Halloween,
- 19:35you're going to say like, oh yeah, trick or treating.
- 19:37Okay, it's funny that you say that. Jack -o -lanterns,
- 19:40bob for apples. Because you were kind of talking
- 19:43about games and stuff that they were playing
- 19:46around this time and you don't really see that
- 19:49with other holidays nothing's still coming to
- 19:53mind like that are associated and i immediately
- 19:55thought of bobbing for apples at thanksgiving
- 19:58you have the turkey bone or the wishbone okay
- 20:01yeah you're right but that's like the only one
- 20:03i can think of off the top of my head not that
- 20:06i'm good being put on the spot so there may be
- 20:08hundreds and then there's that one at christmas
- 20:10where everybody gets so drunk that they wrap
- 20:11their presents and don't know which one's which
- 20:13yeah which I assume is just everybody's family
- 20:16tradition. I didn't think that was a game, I
- 20:17just thought that was an ethical part of life.
- 20:20Personally, and I also haven't asked, have you
- 20:23bought for Apples? No, I have not. And it seems
- 20:26like a very gross game to do, especially in this
- 20:29post -COVID world. It does. I saw Lucy do it
- 20:34on The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown. That's the
- 20:37only person I know that's done it. I also feel
- 20:40like Apples these - You gotta pick very specific
- 20:43apples for it, because the ones you buy at the
- 20:44store in my mind are too big to be able to bite
- 20:46into while they're floating in water. It's true.
- 20:50Like, some of those suckers are big. You can
- 20:52barely do it on land, let alone in the water.
- 20:54For those of you who don't know what we're talking
- 20:56about, bobbing for apples is a game that can
- 20:58be played year round but is primarily apparently
- 21:00played in autumn and Halloween, where you fill
- 21:02a bucket or a basin with water, you put apples
- 21:05in the water, and you have people try to get
- 21:07as many apples out of the water that are floating
- 21:09in them with only their teeth as possible in
- 21:12some type of time period. I guess before, like,
- 21:15germs were a thing, it probably made the most
- 21:18Plus it was harvest, like this is the time all
- 21:21the apples are ready. The apples are there, yeah.
- 21:23Yeah, so they're like might as well try and get
- 21:26rid of some of these things. And we have no concept
- 21:29of what a germ is, so. Why is everybody who played
- 21:33bopping for apples dying? Must be an ill omen.
- 21:37The only thing they have in common is that they
- 21:39all bop for apples. Bobbing for apples started
- 21:44in Europe hundreds of years ago as a common way
- 21:47for young lovers to court one another. While
- 21:50there were many versions of the game, each apple
- 21:52represented a special someone. If the bobber,
- 21:55typically female, successfully bit into the apple
- 21:58with the name of a love interest and won't go,
- 22:00then fortune favored the lucky couple and fate
- 22:02gave them the go -ahead. If it took the bobber
- 22:05two attempts, then they could still try it out,
- 22:08but their love wouldn't last as long. Sadly,
- 22:11if the bobber needed three attempts to bite into
- 22:13the apple, then the stars weren't aligned for
- 22:15this couple and it would probably be best not
- 22:17to pursue it at all. Of course, as history progresses,
- 22:20so too does this tradition. Another variation
- 22:22of bobbing for apples is the first person to
- 22:24bite an apple would be the next one in the group
- 22:26to have a marriage. If a girl bit into an apple
- 22:28and placed the fruit beneath her pillow, another
- 22:30superstition claims that she would see her true
- 22:33love in a dream. Now to understand the modern
- 22:36Halloween tradition of bobbing for apples, you
- 22:37have to understand that it is directly tied to
- 22:41Samhain's divination. I was thinking that as
- 22:43well. Makes sense. All the way around. Like you
- 22:46said, it's the crop that's around at the time,
- 22:48so it's super easy to do. Yeah, I think all the
- 22:51way around, it totally makes sense just with
- 22:53the divination thing. Apples are plenty. They're
- 22:56like, what can we do with these apples to get
- 22:59rid of them? And that is my Samhain portion of
- 23:02this episode, Chelsea. And weirdly enough, like
- 23:06I almost could have done this all as a Samhain
- 23:08episode, but man, this last one, I just found
- 23:11so interesting that we couldn't not include it.
- 23:14I love that it's all Samhain. It feels wrong
- 23:19to say it that way when it's been a different
- 23:21way in my head the whole time. I know. And there's
- 23:23only one last one. It's probably only like three
- 23:27words. But it's like, you can't just call it
- 23:31a Samhain episode now. No, I can't. Because there's
- 23:35one more thing. This is Halloween origins. What
- 23:39is it? The suspense is killing me. When you think
- 23:42of traditional Halloween costumes, what are the
- 23:46top costumes you think of? The devil. Yeah. Ghost.
- 23:50Yeah, but when you think of ghost, is there a
- 23:52particular ghost you think of? Sheet. Sheet with
- 23:56holes in it. Where do you think the bed sheet
- 23:58ghost comes from? Beetlejuice. Good guess. Laundry
- 24:04day. Does it have to do with Halloween? That's
- 24:07when they did the bed sheets? This is a much
- 24:10different history than I was fully expecting
- 24:13from this idea. Because we all pictured the same
- 24:15thing and I was just like, yeah, but like when
- 24:17we picture ghosts, we don't picture bed sheet
- 24:20ghosts or spirits. Around Halloween, you just
- 24:24picture the bedsheet ghost. Up until fairly recently,
- 24:41in most of Western European culture, bodies of
- 24:44deceased individuals were commonly wrapped in
- 24:47a piece of white cloth as a burial shroud. or
- 24:51winding cloth when they were buried. The wealthy
- 24:54were usually wrapped in a shroud and placed in
- 24:56a coffin. Poor people on the other hand were
- 24:58often buried without a coffin wearing only the
- 25:00shroud. On account of the fact that so many people
- 25:02were buried wrapped in shrouds, it became common
- 25:05for people in England during the early modern
- 25:08period, 1450 to 1750, to report having seen apparitions
- 25:13wrapped in shrouds. In England during this period,
- 25:17Thieves also would often dress up in a white
- 25:20sheet to impersonate spirits so they could frighten
- 25:23people and steal their money and be anonymous.
- 25:27Oh shit, that's amazing. I got my costume. It's
- 25:30going to be ghost sheet with like a bandit eye
- 25:35mask. So you're a highway man and a bat. Maybe.
- 25:38I don't think you can have a gun anymore. Ghost
- 25:41impersonations. were apparently quite common
- 25:44activity for criminals in England as early as
- 25:46the 16th century. The English witchcraft scholar
- 25:49Reginald Scott, who lived 1538 -1599, wrote in
- 25:55Book 7, Chapter 15 of his book, The Discovery
- 25:57of Witchcraft, which was published in 1584, quote,
- 26:11But you shall understand that these bugs specially
- 26:14are spied and feared by sick folk, children,
- 26:17women, and cowards, which through weakness of
- 26:19mind and body are shaken with vain dreams and
- 26:22continual fear. Scott, of course, was referring
- 26:26to ghost impersonation. It therefore seems evident
- 26:29that even in the time of Shakespeare some people
- 26:31were already using white sheets to disguise themselves
- 26:34as ghosts. Nonetheless, even though this was
- 26:37one image of a ghost that existed at the time,
- 26:39it was far from the most iconic one. In plays
- 26:42of the 15th and 16th centuries, Ghosts were most
- 26:44often betrayed dressed in armor, not covered
- 26:47in shrouds. In the original production of Shakespeare's
- 26:50Hamlet, it is highly probable that the ghost
- 26:52of Hamlet's father would have been portrayed
- 26:54dressed in armor. This means we still have to
- 26:56answer the question of how the image of the shrouded
- 26:59ghost became the most iconic one. And this comes
- 27:01to the Hammersmith's ghost and its white shroud.
- 27:04This is one of the most famous of all reported
- 27:06apparitions in England during the early 19th
- 27:09century, was the Hammersmith Ghost. Starting
- 27:12in November of 1803, various locals in the district
- 27:16of Hammersmith in the New West part of the city
- 27:18of London, England, began claiming that they
- 27:20had been attacked by a ghost of a man who had
- 27:23committed suicide and been buried in the Hammersmith's
- 27:25churchyard the previous year. Some of those who
- 27:28claimed to have seen the ghost described it as
- 27:30extraordinarily tall and wrapped in a white shroud.
- 27:34Other reports characterize the ghost as a fearsome
- 27:36figure resembling a man wearing a calf skin dress,
- 27:40with horns on its head and eyes made of glass.
- 27:43No matter how it was described, however, the
- 27:45ghost was always characterized as a fearsome
- 27:47presence. Fear of the supposed ghost gripped
- 27:50the whole city. London did not have any organized
- 27:53police force at the time, so ordinary people
- 27:55organized hunts to go look for the ghost. On
- 27:58January 4th, 1804, a bricklayer named Thomas
- 28:01Millwood, who was dressed in all white, was mistaken
- 28:04for the ghost by 29 -year -old excise officer
- 28:07named Francis Smith, who had gone out to look
- 28:10for the ghost. Making it become face -to -face
- 28:12with the most fear ghoul in all of London, Smith
- 28:14shot Millwood dead. right there. This accidental
- 28:17shooting led to a trial that garnered much publicity.
- 28:20Because the fact that Smith had mistaken Millwood
- 28:22for the ghost on account of his white clothing
- 28:24was central to the trial, a great deal of attention
- 28:28was brought to the particular description of
- 28:30the ghost as being dressed in a white shroud.
- 28:33Thus, although there were other descriptions
- 28:35of the ghost that conflicted with this description,
- 28:37the description of the Hammersmith ghost as a
- 28:39tall figure in a white shroud quickly became
- 28:42the canonical one. An iconic illustration published
- 28:44in the magazine Kirby's Wonderful and Scientific
- 28:47Museum in 1804 depicts the Hammersmith ghost
- 28:49as a man dressed in a billowy white shroud, with
- 28:52its arms raised in the air above its head. Floating
- 28:55just above the ground, the illustration portrays
- 28:57the ghost looking straight ahead with a vacant
- 28:59expression on its face, and its mouth gaping
- 29:02slightly. one can only imagine how disturbing
- 29:04it would be to encounter such an apparition in
- 29:07real life. Ultimately, a Hammersmith shoemaker
- 29:09named John Graham admitted that he'd started
- 29:11the whole story of the Hammersmith ghost as a
- 29:14hoax to scare people. Oh, I hate the ending.
- 29:16In other words, the ghost whose stories had so
- 29:18terrorized the public and even resulted in a
- 29:20man being killed turned out to be a hoax from
- 29:22the beginning. Nonetheless, the memory of the
- 29:24Hammersmith ghost lived on, and ironically, about
- 29:26two decades later, people began telling stories
- 29:28of how the vengeful spirit of Thomas Millwood
- 29:30supposedly haunted the area of Hammersmith, where
- 29:33he'd been shot and killed, the guy in all white.
- 29:35I love that story. The notorious case of the
- 29:38Hammersmith ghost probably played a significant
- 29:40role in popularizing the belief in ghosts that
- 29:42were often seen dressed in white funeral shrouds
- 29:45throughout the English -speaking world. The theater
- 29:47seems to have played a significant role in popularizing
- 29:49this image as well, in English and American plays
- 29:52produced during the 19th century, ghosts were
- 29:54often portrayed dressed in billowy white shrouds,
- 29:57just like Hammersmith's ghost. The final step
- 30:00in this transition from shrouds to bedsheets
- 30:02occurred in the advent of Halloween costumes
- 30:04and trick -or -treating in the U .S. In the early
- 30:0620th century, in those early days of Halloween,
- 30:09there were no fancy pre -made store -bought costumes,
- 30:12so children had to dress up and make their own
- 30:13costumes. Children who wanted to be ghosts found
- 30:15that they could use white bedsheets to imitate
- 30:17appearances of a shrouded ghostly figure. And
- 30:20That's the history of the bed sheet ghost, which
- 30:23is way different than you'd expect. Yeah, obviously.
- 30:26That's cool. That's like way cooler than I thought
- 30:29it would be. I know. It turns out, yeah, I mean
- 30:32it is kind of just like the easy costume. but
- 30:34at the same time, it has way more history than
- 30:37just some kid in the 50s singing in a costume
- 30:40pass. It actually makes it creepier that way.
- 30:42Death shroud that people are buried in so they
- 30:46could see it as a ghost. And logically, even
- 30:49if it wasn't a ghost, that was the belief at
- 30:52the time because that's what they were buried
- 30:54in, right? So usually something like that will
- 30:56make its way into the psyche that a ghost would
- 30:59logically be wearing that because that's what
- 31:01they're buried in. Exactly. It's kind of like
- 31:04you get up from there and especially but I guess
- 31:06then how come they never saw zombies? I guess
- 31:08zombies didn't exist at the time. So they never
- 31:10came that way. Yeah, exactly Otherwise, perhaps
- 31:14they could have been because obviously they wear
- 31:16different clothes because you no longer see ghosts
- 31:19wearing shrouds though I haven't looked into
- 31:23it I haven't either. I've always kind of assumed
- 31:25it's much like that ghosts don't really necessarily
- 31:28haunt graveyards. You don't have to wear the
- 31:30last thing you are wearing if you're a ghost,
- 31:31just like you don't have to haunt a graveyard
- 31:33where your body is if you're a ghost. Yeah. So
- 31:35you always hear that thing of being like, pick
- 31:38your outfit, change your underwear before you
- 31:41go out and get hit by a bus. Don't worry. Your
- 31:44ghost won't be like... It won't have pooped itself.
- 31:47Yeah. I hope. Yeah, exactly. So, like, don't
- 31:51make decisions based on the last outfit you're
- 31:53wearing because you're not tied to it for eternity,
- 31:56I guess is what I'm trying to get at, right?
- 31:59Hopefully. Okay. Because we don't know for sure.
- 32:02We're just guessing like everybody else here.
- 32:05I think we have better guesses than most. They
- 32:07seem somewhat informed, but guess is nonetheless.
- 32:09I would say, yeah. But I mean, that's a personal
- 32:11opinion, so. But those are all the couldn't quite
- 32:15make a whole episode out of one of these. I love
- 32:18those. I wanted to put it all together because,
- 32:20yeah, there's a lot of things you didn't even
- 32:22think to question. I always love having stuff
- 32:24like that in my back pocket. So when I go to
- 32:26family gatherings, I could be like, guess what
- 32:28I learned? And then Taylor will be like, we already
- 32:30talked about this. Yeah. I told it to you. This
- 32:34is awkward. I don't have anything to add. And
- 32:38you just got a sneak peek into our family get
- 32:41togethers. And with that, I have been Taylor,
- 32:44here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe.
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