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31 - Will you be mine? | Let's talk about Valentine's Day! · Arguing Ever After

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Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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I am Luke and this is Amber. Hello.
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All. Right here we are, episode 31.
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31 That's how many days are in a lot of the months.
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OK, OK, OK, well, there you go. There you.
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Go hey, I'm jumping in with just random.
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There, why not? Why not?
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And right now we are recording a few kind of right back-to-back
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because Luke is. Yet again.
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Yeah, yeah, another surgery. Getting cut up, getting cut,
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y'all? Mm hmm.
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So there's going to be more recovery, but again, as before,
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we wanted to ensure we have something for you regardless of
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Luke's status and ability to record.
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That's fair. So I don't know.
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It's for the people. It is for the people and you
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might be fine by now by the time this airs.
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I. Really doubt it.
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Well, don't be. Hey now, maybe I'll have super
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fast recovery. Yeah, I want that for you.
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I want that for me. Well, I really want that for me.
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Well, you said you took a whole whopping day off of work, so I
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don't know how that's going to work.
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I know well you'll. Literally at all.
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You'll be fine. I will not.
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Yeah, you will. You will.
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I think you can. Do should we tell the audience
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what kind of surgery? Sure, you can tell people what
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kind of surgery you're having. I'm getting back surgery, Yeah.
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I don't know that I need to get more specific because they're
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going into my spine. Sure, sure.
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Well, and I can't like there's certain times, we all have jobs
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where there's certain times where we can't really take off
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time. That's true.
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And some of your recovery covers that period for me so well, I'm
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sure you would love it if the world would stop.
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Unfortunately there's some people who really do require my
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work right now, so you'll be fine.
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I'm at I work from home, so I mean any major emergencies I
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guess I probably. Call 911.
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Yeah. Good.
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That's probably the right move. Around, I mean, in all fairness,
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it's not, I mean, it is what it is and, and I have a plan.
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I've talked to my people, my mom and my dad are willing to help.
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I've got at least one friend that's willing to help out.
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I specifically with this puppy who we've been talking about for
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a couple episodes now 'cause she is definitely still a UY.
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She hasn't grown out of it in two weeks.
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No, I mean I I don't know that you'll need the help that you
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think because I am home with her and we have a pretty good
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daytime schedule, the UY and I. That's true.
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She really loves being in my office.
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Well, the friend I was talking about really likes puppies.
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Well, OK, that's fair. Yeah, I feel like a lot of
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people do. She'll be in good hands either
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way. Yeah.
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Whether yours or another. 'S yeah, she just, but she
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really does like hanging out in my office, so I don't really
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foresee a need there for that. But there might be a need for
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your companionship because I don't know.
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It's been a rough year for you. OK.
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Because of my needs, it's true. Thank you.
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And you know what, I had a little complication from my
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previous surgery. Not complication, that's a
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that's an inflammatory word. I had a uncomfortable part of my
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healing process that is new flare up yesterday enough so
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that I went into the doctor to make sure everything was OK and
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he said it's OK, but it's also still healing and said what you
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probably need since it looks like you have some inflammation
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is some steroids. So now I'm on a little bit
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today, but I'm supposed to take a whole bunch of it tomorrow.
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And they do like a, it's like a five day kind of like remember
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them Z packs where you'd get like a so you take a bunch and
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then you taper down as you go. That's what I got.
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And last time I had this particular steroid, it fixed my
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whole, my whole leg hip situation.
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It was great. So I'm hoping it fixes that And
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my throat situation. I'm a double fix for for a week
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or. So I was going to say it's a
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really short time period before your surgery.
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It is, so I don't. Because they say that if you
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take it long term, you're almost guaranteed to get cancer, so
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that's why they don't. Oh, and try to keep it to a
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week. Yikes.
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Well, they found out the hard way, you know.
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No, I don't know. I guess I don't know anyone who
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had these steroid cancer. Well, it's probably one of them,
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like, you know, long before, like back in the day when they
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discovered the steroid and they were like, oh, this someone like
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me was like, that fixed it all. Let's just keep on it.
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And then enough people did that and got cancer.
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And then the doctors were like, hey, maybe there's something to
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that. I'm like, I feel like I've only
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been on steroids twice and I don't even remember it.
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Me. Too, I think it's the last time
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was for my hip leg situation AKA going into back surgery and then
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now I think that's the only time all right.
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Well, during that period though of your recovery, we're going to
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be in February and in February, 1 of the things that a lot of
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people look and celebrate is Valentine's Day.
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So I'm going to guess that our plans are on hold.
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But I was thinking when we were talking about Valentine's Day, I
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was thinking about being a little kid and going and buying
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Valentine's for your class. Do you remember doing that?
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Oh yeah. I remember getting em and like
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you had to pick out the cool ones.
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Remember specifics. I'm going to tell.
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You OK? I'm excited to listen.
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Specifically about it, There we go.
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I remember one year specifically, I got the Snoopy
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Valentine's, which I wasn't really that big into Snoopy, but
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you know, I mean. Hey Minnesota, though,
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represent. Yes, yes.
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Creator of Snoopy and Peanuts, Charles Schulz.
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And I like dogs, so it was easy enough.
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I remember another time having just like basic dogs but.
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What I want to know just real side question, how does Snoopy
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get on top of that doghouse? I I don't even really question
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that. I've seen dogs do all sorts of
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weird things. But he didn't look like a dog
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that was made to climb up on top of the doghouse, though.
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He was a little Beagle. Beagles can be trouble.
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Maybe Charlie Brown put him up there.
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Well, I don't know, but he had to.
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That's OK. He had to sit up there to, like,
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ponder all the problems of the world.
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You know, it brought him closer to the moon.
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It did. And little Woodstock, his bird
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friend. Cute cute little.
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Bird Yeah. So anyhow, I was thinking about
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when you would get those Valentine's and you had to pick
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out certain ones. I remember having that time of
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like picking out which one for which person, right?
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Oh, sure. So like, you know, I'd be like,
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OK, my friends are going to get the coolest ones or 'cause you
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wouldn't get like so many that you had a just, you could just
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throw some away. It would always be like a
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probably a pretty close amount to the classroom.
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At least my mom didn't buy, you know, two extra packs for
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everybody or anything like that. But there'd always be some that
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were like super mushy or be like, be my Valentine or I love
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you. And I'd have to be so careful
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'cause I'm like, oh, that can't go to the person I like.
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Absolutely not. They need like the Happy
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Valentine's Day. But then I also remember getting
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them back and then like for my friends like this is great, but
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like. Yeah, that's how you knew who
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really was had a crush on you back in the day.
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But. Nobody actually did because we
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were three years old and no third grade I.
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For certain, did crushes back. At what?
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At what? I'm trying to think of what
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grade do you start thinking that you have romantic and interest.
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For me it was second grade. Oh, no, it was actually it was
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before then, but yeah. Oh, you know what?
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That's probably right because I had my first kiss in 3rd.
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This is third grade. I think it was third grade.
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All right, there you go. Do you remember your first kid?
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I do, but I don't need to brag to everybody about it.
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I was just curious what great it was to.
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Find out. Oh yeah, yeah.
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Similar to mine or not? No, it was before yours anyhow
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do. You put a number on it.
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Yeah, so. Like in preschool.
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So OK, though, but like when you would read them and yeah, you
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would take that, that interpretation of what someone
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had, right? Like, you know, like, oh, does
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that mean this person likes me or you?
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Yeah, you know, someone likes me.
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And sometimes I, my brain just wanders off into something and,
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and something that exists frequently in the back of my
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mind is from The Simpsons. The.
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Simpsons. Yes, OK.
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And it was Valentine's Day and Lisa's class.
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They're officially the second best cartoon of all time.
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The second best? Yes, but Lisa's class was
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opening their Valentine's and Nelson had given Lisa a train
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Valentine's and it said I Choo Choo choose you to be my Val,
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Yes. I remember that.
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Just lives in my brain like I Choo Choo Choo Choo Choo Choo
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choose you and how embarrassed she was by that.
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Like they literally felt that way.
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Wouldn't it be like the the worst kid in class for whatever
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reason would? Give you that.
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Yeah, yeah. He just wanted to have a
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Valentine. He.
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Did he did well. And then they'd give you like
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those heart candies, which are called conversation hearts.
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I don't think they had that name.
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Where did you come up with that? It's facts.
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It's facts. OK.
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What would you call them? I Valentine hearts.
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Nope, they're called conversation hearts by Brocks.
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You could say Brocks or Brach. Bratches, Brock Brotches.
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Yeah, I don't know, Brocks. They tasted terrible.
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I feel like it's bratches. I think it's Brocks.
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OK, OK, well, they tasted terrible.
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Maybe the audience will tell us, but.
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How? Oh, they'd have to like.
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Comment. Comment but not.
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They could just text us, they could send a chat on the on the
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on the gram. Yeah, they could, like, record
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themselves saying it because I'm not good.
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When you have that fun. When you have that reading
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thing. Like symbols?
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I never I'm like that means nothing to me.
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It's hard to remember them all because.
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So I remember that if it has the line above it, it's like a hard,
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like you say it when you're saying the alphabet.
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So if A has a line above it, it makes an A sound, not an ah
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sound. Yeah, I know.
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But there's all kinds of like there's like dots on the top and
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there's like dots on the side, I think.
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And anyway, yeah, I'm with you. That's very confusing.
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I wonder. How many people actually read
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that in an I? Remember learning it, I tell in
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some grade. And then of course, summarily
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for getting it years later. Is what who needs?
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I don't remember at all. I'm not trying to read the
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dictionary to anybody. But those were disgusting, those
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little conversation hearts. They're not good.
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But I would eat them anyhow. They're still not good.
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Like they've never like branches.
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Whoever, whoever you are, if you're listening, just like
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here, they're great. I get it, you're making a bunch
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of money. Just put a bunch more sugar in
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there and it'd be fine. Then it's eating a crunchy,
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gross, but also very sweet little little chalk heart.
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That's like a chalk heart with a little flavor.
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Sometimes there'll be a little minted.
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Like a mild, like the mild, like a hint of a flavor.
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Yeah, Like, oh, that's a hint of.
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And you couldn't even place it. You couldn't even say like,
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yeah, strawberry. You'd be like fruit maybe?
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Maybe fruit? Or you'd go potentially citrus.
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Oh, I don't remember any citrus flavour, I feel like it either.
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I'm just saying it's like that's how faint it.
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Was like. You didn't even really know what
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was going on. I think I remember either
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thinking it tasted minty or fruitish.
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OK or cotton candy. Maybe the flavour was like
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cotton candy. A light cotton candy.
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I really don't know. Yeah, it was awful.
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I hope to not have to eat them. But they are like the number one
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selling candy. I remember eating them again
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when our kid was of that age. When do they still do that now
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with kids, The young, young kids?
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Yeah. I don't kind of, I don't know.
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I think I think that's maybe not cool.
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Why? Why they got people, people
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handing out Valentine's is about I'm in love with you and stuff,
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Cupid's Arrow and whatnot. They got these little 6 year
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olds running around professing their love through candy and
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grams. Oh God, why don't we stop trying
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to put them on to that at six and seven years old and just
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have them? I don't know.
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I don't know when you're a kid, like the celebrating of all
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holidays is like, oh, throw on the right colors.
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Like it, let's do this thing, this activity, you know, like
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for Thanksgiving, who didn't draw a hand Turkey, right So.
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Yeah, and try to have the dopest hand Turkey there was.
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Right, right. I'm putting all kind of stuff on
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there, different colored construction paper and.
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Yeah, yeah. Materials.
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But I just think it was another thing to do, another way to
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teach kids, maybe some. I'm sure there's something in
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there. I remember doing like a making a
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little mailbox that we had to make for people to put the,
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yeah, a little Valentine's. And you made it out of wasn't it
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out of, I was about to say toothpicks, but that's not a
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popsicle sticks. Maybe yours was at your school
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We had. You didn't have popsicle sticks.
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No. You acted like that was fancy.
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That is fancy popsicle sticks, popsicle OK popsicles.
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Are cheap. OK, well, I I mean.
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We really are. I mean, it's flavored water.
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I'm. Just I understand, but man, when
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you have teachers who are paying for all of the supplies like.
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Oh no, I think we had the popsicle sticks.
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Oh, you had it at home? I think so we made your.
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Oh, we made our. I remember doing this in class
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like it was a craft. Could be wrong project, it was a
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long time ago. Well, and we all had the same
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one, right? Like we like, I actually
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remember that we did something with a paper bag that.
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Seems much easier. Yeah, there was no, I mean just.
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A paper bag and some different color paper on the outside seems
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much easier. Yeah, it was fun though.
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It's. Also possible I did that in one
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grade and then the popsicle sticks in another grade.
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It is did. You have come on, hold on.
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You didn't have like, maybe not for Valentine's Day, but in
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general, you didn't have like popsicle stick projects.
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No, I saw them on like the fancy like TV shows but no I don't
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remember any popsicle. Apparently I had a fancy school.
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Did I have a fancy school? I know.
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I don't think I did. I don't know.
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I mean, I don't know. We just.
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I went to school in the inner city.
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Air quotes as one would have it. JJ Hill represent.
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Wow there's like 3 people who are listening.
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And you know what? You know where I'm gonna get
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some love on that? You're right.
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WFNU 94.1 FM, Frogtown Radio. I mean, but I can.
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I hear you. Yeah, yeah.
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For JJ Hill. Wow OK so but I mean I also went
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to a Saint Paul public school. JJ Hill was in the I understand
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in the zone, you know what I'm saying?
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Right, mine was also real close, but anyhow.
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You shout it out if you want, let the people, let the people
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know. That's fine.
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No, OK, No, Just no. It's a really great school that
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is now different than what It's greater now than it was when I
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was a kid, but it. Was cool.
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I bet you now they got popsicle. Sticks I guarantee you now they
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have popsicle sticks for sure. They've really well at some.
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Point it sounds like. I think JJ Hill turned into a
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Montessori. This is so niche and not
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probably it's true. Very interesting.
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Is it still? I don't know.
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I think it's still there. I don't know if it's a
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Montessori anymore. Right now there's something to
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do with Obama school, which is real cool, but I think that's
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maybe not where JJ Hill actually is and they built a new one.
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Maybe we can get off I'm sorry that are only.
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Relevant. Here's what happened, listener.
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I just talked about stuff. I know.
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So back to what we were talking about, which was Valentine's Day
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as a kid, even when we had talked about the conversation
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hearts. My favorite 2 candies though
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that you'd get on Valentine's Day is they had the heart
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sucker. Oh no, say the next one because
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if it's the same because I got it in my head.
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And it's one I still eat today, which are sour cherries.
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Oh, no. So OK.
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Do you remember? Do you remember they had like
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the Jelly hearts? Yeah.
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I loved those. Wait, are they cinnamon flavor?
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Yeah. I don't think so.
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No. They weren't that big.
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They fit in the palm of your hand and they were smaller than
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they might have been cherry flavored.
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Okay, okay. Cherry or not strawberry, but
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like Berry because it wouldn't have been that specific.
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It would have been like this is BlackBerry flavored.
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No, no. Or potentially could have just
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been fruit flavored. You know, because that was a
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thing. Fruit was a flavor.
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Fruit is a flavor. Yeah, it's not, but it is in
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certain scenarios. Right.
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I'm sure probably also made by Brock's like they seem to have
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the corner on the market. It's bratches.
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I don't know. We're going to have to look this
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up after the podcast. Like, I mean, I feel like that
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could almost be like, hey, just record how you say it, put it on
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a thing. I'd be really interested in
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knowing what it means to you. Is that a Minnesota company?
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I don't think so because I feel like the company.
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You know what we need when we're recording an additional device
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for us to randomly just look things up because we feel like
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it. We do have an additional device,
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we just don't ever think about bringing it down.
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Well, one of these days. Maybe.
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Maybe. There's a chance.
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But anyhow, so those are the things I remember as a kid.
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The other thing I remember as a kid for Valentine's Day was my
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dad always got us something. Just kidding.
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Red and white little stuffed giraffe it was.
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Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, my dad gave that to me for
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Valentine's Day when I was a kid.
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That's adorable. Yeah, so I think it's fun to
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give your kids little gifts for Valentine's Day.
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Yeah. We used to.
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I mean, we don't because she's she's a teen.
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We do, we do, we do. I was going to say we used to
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give her little gift. We don't give her like little
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gift. Like we definitely do the candy
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because that's you always got to do chocolates and stuff.
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Did we do gifts last year? I guarantee you.
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What do you give a teenager? Candy.
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But I meant outside of candy cuz I remember doing like little
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plushy stuffed animals when she was little but I feel like now
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maybe that's not. I promise.
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You. Well, whatever.
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The good news is, you're gonna do it.
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Cuz I sure as heck ain't. We're covering from surgery.
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I'm going to just be sitting around the house doing nothing.
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I mean, you could go before you had your surgery like you do
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have some days to do it beforehand, but.
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One day. Wow.
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No, there's more days, more hours in the day than just the
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hours you work. There's not.
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There is. I promise, I promise.
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We can run errands before and after work.
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That happens. Sometimes.
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Before work? Well, if you work late in the
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morning compared to me, you could do that.
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I guess today I did go to the orthodontist at 7:45.
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Yeah, Yeah, it was kind of gross.
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I mean, there are plenty of stores that open well you.
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Talk about how early you work. Listen, you don't even got it.
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You just working from inside your own house?
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Yeah, all you gotta do and you're not in front of other
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people. You just gotta go to the office.
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Yeah. From the other part of the
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house. Doesn't matter, I still do it.
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Before you even think of leaving, yeah.
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That don't count. If you had to leave, you would
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leave at the same time as me because you got no wardrobe
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change, you got no no makeup situation.
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I. Don't know what you're talking
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about. I totally when I was in the
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office just left a lot earlier because I still worked starting
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at the same time. Oh, you're right.
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Thank you. Forfeit.
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You're right. I just remembered you would
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leave at like 5:30 or. 6:00 in the morning.
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That's real early. I get up that early, but I'm not
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trying to depart the home. I guess if I had to I would.
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I could also get off work earlier for the most part.
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I mean, not or no, but it doesn't.
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It doesn't. It's not a competition.
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I feel like I said that so many times in the last few days.
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Yeah, because I work more than you do.
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It's not a. Competition, OH.
21:05
Gosh, you understand I did that just for.
21:07
You. I know, I know, I know.
21:09
And you? Take the bait every time.
21:11
Nope, I just try to ignore it because it's if you really feel
21:15
that way, I there is no fighting you, it doesn't matter.
21:19
I can't even disprove you. The other day we were fighting
21:22
about something and you were like, I have no, no idea.
21:24
And I was like, I totally know the answer.
21:26
And you're like, yeah. It's tough.
21:28
Yes, I remember what it was. Julius Caesar and Cleopatra, you
21:33
were asking do did they live at the same time?
21:36
And I was like 100% sure they lived at the same time.
21:40
Was it Julius Caesar? Yes.
21:43
Wasn't it the name of that general?
21:45
Oh no, that was because we were talking about the.
21:47
This is because we were naming the dog and the movie about with
21:52
Elizabeth Taylor Cleopatra, and it was.
21:55
Is it Anthony? Yeah.
21:57
Or Anthony? It's Anthony or Antonius or
22:01
something. Anthony.
22:02
But I think his real name was Anthony Antonius.
22:04
Does it really matter, Antonius? It doesn't matter anyway.
22:08
And then you said something about Julius Caesar.
22:10
And I was like, were they at the same time?
22:12
And you were like, heck yeah. And I was like, do you know that
22:14
because you know that? Or do you know that because it
22:16
was in the movie and you were like.
22:18
It. Doesn't.
22:18
Matter because I know that it's facts and you're like, no, I
22:23
don't You're like, I don't know if that's true I.
22:25
Think you got your facts out of the movie was my.
22:27
Problem my point was I knew something to be true that's and
22:32
it didn't even matter. You were like, I don't trust
22:35
what you know it's. Because you got it from the
22:37
movie, but you knew, but you knew it was true.
22:40
Doesn't matter. And then you were like, I need
22:42
it googled for it to be fact. I said I refuse to.
22:44
I refuse to play this game where you question my knowledge.
22:49
That being said, sometimes we prove each other wrong.
22:52
Right, but I refuse. You were, so you were that.
22:54
One wasn't happening. You were so mad about that that
22:57
I would not look like. Why?
22:58
We have a podcast called Arguing Ever After.
23:00
Well it's true, we do it in real life all the time and I don't
23:04
know if you ever googled it and I still know it's facts.
23:06
So anyhow, but that was where was I going with.
23:12
I don't know. We were talking about all kinds.
23:14
Of arguing, talking about arguing.
23:16
Yeah, yeah. Do you ever wonder when we lose
23:19
track of something and then never get back to it?
23:22
Do our listeners just go OMG these people are out of control?
23:26
I don't know. I'd love to.
23:27
Feel like they probably do. I'd love to know that.
23:29
Weirdly enough, when I listen back and make sure that the
23:32
audio worked and stuff, I don't notice when we lose track.
23:36
So either we don't or I don't think we do because we're
23:41
conversating. Yes, I can't track it.
23:45
It's not even. That's probably what it is.
23:47
Well, but then I also wonder, what did we lose?
23:49
There was a thought that was there before.
23:51
Was it a real gem? And then we just lost that.
23:53
And then we talked about some dumb.
23:55
Stuff like that could have been a real gem.
23:57
Yeah, I don't know what we're talking.
23:58
About either, that's OK. Well, anyhow, what else?
24:04
What else is going on? So we have that we're going to
24:06
do. I don't know.
24:07
Are we doing anything for Valentine's Day?
24:09
No, we're not. We're not.
24:11
We sort of are. Are we?
24:13
Sort of we're going well, I don't know if it's could you say
24:16
it's for, it might be for Valentine's Day.
24:19
We're going to see the musical Chicago in the month of
24:23
February. I feel like that sort of counts.
24:26
Yes, it's a semi counter. I mean, that's totally a
24:30
romantic musical about. Not, I mean, romantic is a
24:37
stretch. That's a stretch.
24:40
There's no romance. Yeah.
24:42
I love it, though. Because he had it coming.
24:45
He did. Oh gosh, I am actually excited
24:48
about that one. This weekend.
24:49
I know, I know. But I don't think maybe we did
24:52
say that was for Valentine's Day.
24:53
I don't know. I feel like we push a lot.
24:55
Of you probably said nothing's going to happen because I'm
24:58
getting surgery. Right, but I feel like we do a
25:02
lot where we're like, Oh, well, we'll just say that that's our
25:04
whatever gift, you know, or whatever and it and I feel like
25:08
we wouldn't have said that because we're bringing our kid
25:11
to the show. That's that's fair.
25:13
But maybe we did. I don't know.
25:15
I don't either. But I'll have that memory.
25:20
I just don't know though, that's kind of feels like anti
25:25
Valentine's Day. Could be.
25:27
Yeah, I listened to this whole podcast.
25:30
I listened to lots of podcasts. I know I say that, but about the
25:35
two women that inspired that musical and the woman reporter
25:42
who reported on the the convicts, well, I guess they
25:52
weren't technically convicts yet she reported on them and then
25:55
that inspired her to write the story which inspired the
25:59
musical. OK, so.
26:01
Isn't it like the oldest musical or the longest running or some
26:07
It's got some sad about it. I have no idea.
26:10
I don't know if either of those things are true.
26:12
I feel like it can't be the oldest.
26:14
I also feel like it can't be the longest running WE.
26:17
Need that. We need that extra device.
26:19
Yeah, that extra device would be helpful.
26:21
Look stuff up that would be. That would be good.
26:24
Yeah, I'm excited for it. So we'll be doing that.
26:28
The other thing we have planned in February is the end of
26:31
February turns into March, which is a pretty exciting month.
26:36
OK. Yeah, I'm excited about that
26:39
part of February, the 29th day of February, which is actually
26:43
the first day of March because it's not a leap year.
26:45
Uh huh. You're excited about the first
26:47
day of March. Yep, I don't know if you've
26:49
noticed I've been talking about Spring for a number of episodes.
26:54
There, but there's nothing happening.
26:56
Well, it does technically happen in March spring.
26:59
OK, All right. So it has nothing to do with
27:02
February None 0, nothing to do with Valentine's Day.
27:05
Well, you got to get through February.
27:07
Yeah, well, and usually we have. It's like driving through one
27:10
state to get to your destination state.
27:13
Yeah, yeah. Usually February's been very
27:16
busy for us. I don't think it's going to be
27:18
this busy this year. It'll be busy for me.
27:21
I'm good. I'm good with that.
27:22
You're like, I'm, yeah, not busy for you.
27:25
Busy waiting. I feel like you'd be busy
27:28
waiting and waiting and waiting. And then you get to go somewhere
27:31
really hot. Oh yeah, and I get to stay home
27:37
in the cold. That puppy better be potty
27:40
trained by then. Well, she might be.
27:46
She's doing pretty good. I don't know.
27:48
I don't know. So there is what else?
27:51
What else we got to talk about, Luke, is that it?
27:54
I mean that I guess that could be it.
27:57
OK, so given that you are going to be all laid up for
28:04
Valentine's Day, so it's gonna kind of be a wash anyhow.
28:11
Chill day. So what you're saying is, Amber,
28:13
let me ask you a question. Yeah, I was wondering if you
28:17
were ever going to. I just did.
28:19
Wait, wait, wait. OK, I'm.
28:21
Or I asked if I could. Yeah, let me hear it.
28:24
Wait. OK, I'm ready.
28:25
I'm ready. Both to say some stuff.
28:28
Oh, I thought you were going to say will you be my Valentine?
28:31
I haven't been asked to be a Valentine in like ever.
28:36
It's literally been Happy Valentine's Day, you heartless
28:39
heartless. OK, stats and introductions,
28:43
here we go. In this corner, sporting the
28:46
very seasonally appropriate Red Hat, was that on purpose?
28:50
Not intentional, but I'll take the win.
28:53
And we're still living on the same stats where Lucas lost 13
28:57
and won eight. We have 7 ties.
29:00
I need some help people. We've got him here and he's
29:03
hoping to fight today about whatever he's going to talk to
29:08
us about, so there you go. And in this corner we have
29:12
Amber, who also happens to be dressed in a shade of red.
29:15
Yes, that was purposeful. Which is pretty great.
29:18
And she's got a Jeep shirt on. And then Jeeps are the symbol of
29:21
love, obviously. Jeep shirt.
29:23
Hey, we're jeeping today. Not a surprise.
29:25
That's pretty great. We've we've done a lot of that's
29:29
going to sound wrong. I'm going to just skip to the
29:31
next part. And you also have red hair.
29:34
I do. You're basically a walking
29:36
cupid's arrow. Oh, I forgot about Cupid.
29:40
Oh, did you I did, huh. I literally did.
29:43
Well, the the question I have for you, Amber, is in a marriage
29:55
or very long term relationship because some people aren't down
30:01
with the marriage thing, but they're like super life
30:04
committed, right. So one of those versions Do you
30:11
still need to celebrate Valentine's Day?
30:15
OK. So that's a good question.
30:18
And before I talk about that question, I remembered those
30:22
little Cupid candies. They weren't very good, but I.
30:28
Wouldn't eat them. No, it was in all sorts of other
30:32
little shape like I'm trying. I couldn't even tell you what
30:35
they're what they're all about. But it was another little shaped
30:38
candy that existed anyhow, I remember those.
30:44
But your question was, do we still need to celebrate?
30:49
And my answer to this is going to be a little bit longer than
30:53
just a yes or no, because I have to build up to the reasoning.
31:01
The thing is, I think Valentine's Day is this is gonna
31:10
sound awful. I think it's such a Hallmark
31:15
holiday and it doesn't really have like once maybe in the
31:21
beginning when you're a kid, it's kind of fun, but I think
31:24
it's just a holiday built around so much expectation for folks
31:28
that it really I I don't, I just don't even like it as a holiday,
31:32
right. Like, unless you're very new in
31:35
a relationship and you're like, cool, I'm going to use this
31:38
holiday to judge how the rest of our life is going to go together
31:41
or whatever. Like, what kind of effort are
31:44
they going to put forth in this day to then decide is it really
31:47
worth all the other days? Like this is the in the
31:49
beginning of a relationship. This is the pinnacle of our like
31:52
showing me that you love me type of a thing, right.
31:55
True. After that, like if you don't
31:59
show up for that day, chances are you're not going to show up
32:01
for the 15th or the 16th or, you know, seven years down the road.
32:07
Yeah, like any of that. So if that matters, if you are a
32:11
person who like acts of service or gifts or like your love
32:18
language type of thing, like sure, that might be really
32:21
important. I also would say if I was newly
32:24
in a relationship and you did nothing, I'd be like, is it just
32:29
that you're not that committed and you're like, if I spend 100
32:32
bucks could be lost, not worth spending the money on, You know,
32:37
like that's where I would judge it at that point.
32:40
But in theory, by the time you're married, but some people,
32:44
you know, it's like 2 days, but they're like, great, let's tie
32:46
the knot or long term committed. Like, that's not really
32:51
necessarily the way I personally feel is needed to show up.
32:56
I do think that there should be some recognition that the day
33:00
exists, but I don't think like the big wowzy stuff needs to
33:05
happen anymore. Like I don't think you need to
33:08
spend several $100 on gifts for somebody after you've been
33:12
together for a long time. Like the big stuffed bear and
33:15
the huge bouquet and balloons and all the roses and the huge
33:21
chocolate heart. I feel like if you get that
33:23
every year, it's going to lose all meaning, right?
33:27
Because then it's like, that's just what I do.
33:29
It's, you know, like, so I just, I don't think that that's
33:33
necessary. So if that's what you consider
33:36
celebrating Valentine's Day, then I'm going to say no.
33:40
Why? It's just a bunch of garbage.
33:43
The flowers you can at least enjoy for a little bit.
33:46
The candy. You know what I don't?
33:48
Again, I'm going to sound kind of grouchy.
33:50
Those chocolate hearts and all of those freaking chocolate
33:53
truffles. I like chocolate.
33:56
I like chocolate truffles. But somehow that assortment,
33:59
like 90% of it's garbage. You taste, you're like, oh, it's
34:02
awful. You know, there's a few that are
34:05
good, but the rest of them just end up getting tossed.
34:08
So like, what a waste that is. I don't need another big stuffed
34:13
teddy bear. I didn't need the 717 I already
34:17
had. You know you don't.
34:18
You don't have any. Well, that's right.
34:21
I don't, I don't, I don't have any and that's fine because I
34:26
truly don't need all of the stuff which has so much been a
34:32
part of the commercialization of the holidays.
34:35
It's the stuff and I don't and like the stuff is about then
34:41
showing off the stuff to others, right?
34:45
Because like I, what am I going to do with all this stuff?
34:47
So I'm going to say no to that. However, I do think that it is
34:55
nice to ensure that neither person has to do any work on
34:59
that day. Like like like let's say it's
35:03
food or something. I don't think it's nice on
35:07
Valentine's Day to have to cook, you know, or anything like that.
35:12
So if you're the one who always cooks, maybe be the person who
35:18
and you're the one who the other one doesn't like, maybe make
35:20
sure that that person doesn't have to work that hard on that
35:22
day. Just in like a, hey, heads up, I
35:26
love you. Cool.
35:27
I'll handle this daily task of basic living.
35:32
You got to stop trying to make eye contact with me.
35:34
I'm talking. To you.
35:36
Oh, I hear you. I'll.
35:38
Loud and clear. You're going to be laid up
35:41
unless. I'll buy AI can't get a food
35:43
delivery. No, don't do that.
35:45
Oh, it doesn't work very well where we live because.
35:49
Nothing's close. Enough things are close enough,
35:51
but it's just not worthwhile. By the time it gets here, it's
35:54
cold. Don't.
35:56
I'm not you. Know it does show up hot almost
35:58
every time. Five guys.
36:01
Well, it's not delivered. You're going to pick it up.
36:04
Oh, you're saying? It on Valentine's Day you are
36:06
probably still not driving That's true but I'm saying in
36:10
general like don't make the other person do the work like
36:13
like give them a little bit of a nicety we that so I'm going to
36:19
say no in the stereotypical way of celebrating Valentine's Day.
36:26
I don't think that's necessary. I think it's.
36:28
You can't have two answers. I just want to be.
36:29
Super. I'm just saying that the answer
36:32
to what I'm saying is no, Yeah, You don't like, once you've been
36:36
together for a long time, like it could just be cool.
36:41
I'm thinking about you. But like, don't like, no, like
36:43
don't make it a big showy thing. It's a wasteful in my mind.
36:49
And there's that. That's what I'm going to say.
36:51
OK, just need to make this clear for our listener.
36:54
You have not actually answered the question.
36:56
I did say no. I did say no.
36:59
But what you said was playing both sides of the.
37:02
Fence. No, I'm not.
37:03
That's. Very clearly what you're doing.
37:06
So no, I call dirty pool and I will answer yes.
37:12
I think the answer is yes. And it counts to say yes in that
37:17
you should do something for your significant other of long tenure
37:21
or spouse that's like a show of love.
37:26
And whether that means take them out for dinner or get them a
37:30
card or buy them a nice gift, the answer is yes.
37:34
You can't say yes and no. And I'm going to talk because
37:37
you're done. Because you played so dirty.
37:39
It's my turn. Oh no, it's not your turn.
37:41
It's not your turn. We're done.
37:43
It's not your turn, not your turn.
37:45
OK. You have been and continue to be
37:51
the not the non showy affectionate one of us.
38:00
I have always been the sappier, showier of the two of us when it
38:07
comes to things like Valentine's Day or the celebration of
38:09
anniversaries, which I like. I like having that reputation
38:15
you have for the longest time up until maybe recently, not even
38:19
known what our wedding anniversary was.
38:21
The date. I mean, did I show up?
38:24
I want to be clear with everyone, you did not know and I
38:30
am much more emotional and sappy than you.
38:33
And this is known. It is known in our family and
38:37
our friends and by our child. It is all true now.
38:41
Outwardly. OK, well, that matters, darling.
38:45
I don't think it does. Well, that's ridiculous because
38:50
nobody in the house is a mind reader, including my thick
38:54
skull. I can't read minds.
38:56
Never had God. Yeah, you could tell the
38:58
listener how much I don't know your innermost thoughts and
39:01
feelings, because that's the truth.
39:03
I do. Actually, never.
39:04
Have. Don't look at me when I'm
39:06
talking. You're like, and I said don't
39:08
look at listen to my, listen to words what I'm saying.
39:11
Don't you listen to what I'm saying with all my body
39:15
language. Just listen to my words.
39:17
That's not fair at all. Body language is a language for
39:20
a reason. Well, you know what?
39:22
You're still got it. Hey.
39:24
That's what I just said. I just said keep going anyway.
39:28
So an an outward, a presentation, a show if you
39:35
will, is something that I enjoy. It's why I have always wanted to
39:41
buy you nice things. I have done some very showy
39:46
things, especially in the early part of our relationship.
39:48
I specifically remember not just jewelry purchases, but one time
39:53
when we were very young. Why are you rolling your eyes
39:56
about something this freaking romantic?
39:58
Because you never mind. Because I love it and I love
40:03
you. I know, but like.
40:06
I got, I got some roses and we worked in the same shopping mall
40:11
'cause that was the thing in the 90s and we worked right across
40:14
from each other and I got the strangers to go give you roses
40:20
from, from me. So like anonymous sneak up on
40:25
you and give you rose, don't tell you who it's from.
40:27
And until the last one was supposed to tell you, it was for
40:30
me and it was super cute and it was dope.
40:33
And like that's, that's an example of thoughtful things
40:37
that, that I have done and I have done many things.
40:43
And, you know, I, I agree that that it matters to honor the
40:47
day, but I think it should be honored in a louder way.
40:51
And whether or not it's made-up and Hallmark was its creator, I
40:56
don't care. It's societally accepted as the
41:01
day of love and to, you know, profess your love.
41:06
And since I love you, I, I profess it and like to yes, this
41:13
year is going to be a little different.
41:15
I've never had back surgery in February before, but we and we
41:21
have toned down due to expense reason like we don't need to go
41:25
wild, but we typically around this time of year do go out to
41:32
some nice meal, which I'm sure we'll do later.
41:35
Sometimes we'll roll it into our anniversary kind of like as a
41:39
double 'cause our one anniversary, the one that that
41:43
see, and this is a whole nother potential, whole nother topic.
41:47
But the, the we started dating anniversary, which which is you
41:53
tell me is supposed to be taken over in celebration by the
41:57
wedding anniversary, which which is fair, given that we've been
42:01
married for 22 1/2 years, but we've been together for longer
42:06
than that. And I like to celebrate both of
42:09
them. This again points to the sappy
42:11
or showy or the two of us. It's not a roll your eyes
42:14
situation. I didn't.
42:16
I like to celebrate both of them for years and years and years up
42:19
until not that long ago, like maybe in the last five years.
42:23
So we've been married for teens of years and I'm still trying to
42:26
celebrate Valentine's Day and both anniversaries and like
42:35
loudly and on purpose because I think it's great.
42:37
I've gotten you the flowers you like in your office, orchids,
42:42
I've done different types of presents, meals, nights out, and
42:49
it's all been great and fun and. Yep, keep going.
42:53
Sorry. OK, so I think the answer is
42:59
yes. I don't care if you've been
43:01
married for five years or 15 or 25.
43:08
I think you celebrate Valentine's Day and you show
43:12
your love to your significant other.
43:15
OK. I'm gonna say for the past
43:17
couple years, I've been the one who has scheduled those
43:21
reservations. As a matter of fact, Sir.
43:24
Thanks for showing up. My my point is like, OK, Sir,
43:28
don't be like, I am the only one who does this stuff.
43:32
I definitely have been the one to do that the last couple years
43:35
because I, you know, I'm like, well, if it's going to happen, I
43:39
don't think that you can float it into another month.
43:42
I just don't think that that makes any sense.
43:44
Like if either you have the ability to or you don't.
43:47
Now, my other thing is to once you're like married for a long
43:50
time, like can you be like, this is my show of affection.
43:52
I'm taking us out. No, as both are money, we're
43:55
taking us out, you know, and that's kind of where I'm like, I
44:00
don't know. I don't know.
44:02
I just think that that's. Why wait?
44:04
So the the present that I would buy you for your birthday is you
44:07
just buying yourself a present. I mean, I tell you what I want,
44:11
you tell me what you want. Like that's what.
44:13
Happens. You sound like the most Grinch
44:17
hearts too small. I mean, if it's something that
44:21
you that you think like they're, I mean, the most recent
44:25
holidays, you had some very thoughtful gifts that you didn't
44:28
need information from me and they were fully from you and I
44:31
thought that was so, so great, right?
44:33
Like, but there have been several times where like I want
44:36
this item both of us right? And it's like very specific zero
44:40
other answers. This is what I.
44:42
Want, first of all, in your defense, that's sort of false.
44:48
You usually have like one thing and then I beg you for other
44:51
things and you come up with like two more.
44:53
That's. Because I.
44:53
Don't. And then I come up with a bunch
44:55
every year because I really like presents, so I just come up with
44:59
a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah, I don't know.
45:01
And I and I don't, I don't know. So there's that difference too.
45:05
I don't know. I just think that it, no, I
45:07
don't think it needs to be. I don't think it is what it is.
45:11
I don't think it ever was what it was.
45:14
But again, I have said I tried not to rain on your parade in
45:20
the moment of Valentine's Day. I try not to.
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So I will probably try not. Oh no, this is going to be a
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really bad one. Man, you're pre determining the
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outcome. No, 'cause you're going to be
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not doing well and you're going to be in pain and tired and
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having a hard time getting around.
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Maybe I'll be way better by then.
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I hope so. See, you just got to think
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positive, It's OK. I just, I mean like I feel like
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the day is going to come and go as just a regular day.
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It might. Which I think you're going to
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have to accept that you will not then be celebrating Valentine's
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Day. I'm just going to say that the
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the Chicago Musical is the way that we can celebrate.
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I don't really think Valentine's Day includes your child.
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I think that there's that. I think you celebrate with your
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child, but I don't think that as a couple you can say that's a
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Valentine's Day thing. Oh, OK, I don't know, I feel
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like you've said the opposite of that in years past, but.
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I don't know. I doubt that very much.
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Well, anyhow, that's our argument.
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We need to be done. OK, because I don't even know.
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Because you don't even know. I don't even.
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Because. Because you're just so done
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talking about Valentine's. Day.
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Yeah, we talked about it for this long as absurd.
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Wow, I really hope the listener heard all of that.
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Yeah, I'm. I might probably lose this one.
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I just listen. Profess your love, that's the
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point. Shout it from the mountain tops.
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Be loud. I don't say I definitely tell
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you I love you on Valentine's Day.
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That's wow. You actually tell me every day
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that's OK and we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up.
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And vote through Spotify and I don't know what episode number
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this is, but 31? Well.
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Maybe it is notice. This is officially gonna be 31.
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Yeah. OK.
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We'll see you on the next one. Bye,