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The DSA Takeover and The State of the Strait · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 2: The old world is dying and the new world struggles
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  Speaker 2: to be born.
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  Speaker 3: Now is the time of monsters.
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  Speaker 2: These monsters take many forms today, and those who fund
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  Speaker 2: television ads that blanket the airways with misleading and bat
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  Speaker 2: faith attacks about Claire Brad and Darry those who would
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  Speaker 2: rather spend far more on political contributions than they would
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  Speaker 2: ever be made to paying taxes.
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  Speaker 4: In Apac.
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  Speaker 1: Airpak dat under Monster as Comrade Mondannie leads a big
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  Speaker 1: sweep in New York City. We begin today's you hew
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  Speaker 1: At Show with Mary Katherine Ham who's been studying since
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  Speaker 1: earlier this morning and I listened to her brand getting
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  Speaker 1: Hammered with Vic Mannis in which you said, quote, these
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  Speaker 1: people are weirdos. You're absolutely right, Mary Catherine. But they're
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  Speaker 1: also dangerous to the Democratic Party, aren't they?
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  Speaker 4: They are?
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  Speaker 5: And I would say they're Also, they're dangerous to all
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  Speaker 5: of us because once this sort of gets momentum and
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  Speaker 5: we have, like you know, generations of economic and civic
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  Speaker 5: illiteracy behind us, I worry that, you know, the Socialists
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  Speaker 5: are not known for their short dabbles in the institutions.
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  Speaker 5: They're known for their long marches through the institutions. And
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to give them these footholds where they
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  Speaker 5: can begin. But I do think this kind of force
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  Speaker 5: and this kind of candidate works in these blue enclaves
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  Speaker 5: for now and largely in purple areas. And I think
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  Speaker 5: the test of this will be in Michigan with LSI ED.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're going to be they're going to have
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  Speaker 5: much harder times appealing to voters because they are not
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  Speaker 5: one state, one party rule areas. They are places that
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  Speaker 5: have competition and that have voters who will not accept
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  Speaker 5: the weirdo beliefs and just say, oh, that seems fine
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  Speaker 5: to me.
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  Speaker 6: We're not going to Republican.
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  Speaker 1: Can the Republicans brand every Democrat with the DSA Because
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  Speaker 1: the DSA is nested within the Democratic Party, they're parasitical,
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  Speaker 1: they're absolutely parasites on the Democratic Party. But they're going
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  Speaker 1: to kill the Democratic Party or turn it into something.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Republican candidates ought to be running against
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  Speaker 1: the DSA in every race unless the candidate they're opposing
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  Speaker 1: will denounce them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they should.
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  Speaker 5: It should be put to all of these candidates who
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  Speaker 5: are going to attempt to look normal, who are going
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  Speaker 5: to attempt Abigail spanberger ism, right, what do you actually
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  Speaker 5: stand for? What will you actually denounce? And the idea
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  Speaker 5: that you know, the anti Israel position and the anti
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  Speaker 5: Semitism that comes with it and is very obvious in
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  Speaker 5: so many of these candidates, is an animating force, not
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  Speaker 5: just the socialism, but these two things together create these
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  Speaker 5: kind of candidates.
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  Speaker 4: Should be something they'd have to answer for.
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  Speaker 1: So President Trump posted on True social Today mayor mom
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  Speaker 1: Donnie pulled along three communists. I think the President is right.
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  Speaker 1: They don't call themselves communists. Graham Platner has up in Maine,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't call themselves communists. But it is the
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  Speaker 1: Green Red Revolution, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: I mean I think this is one of those things
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  Speaker 5: where once you've admitted that you want to take over
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  Speaker 5: with some form of socialism, I'm pretty much there on
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  Speaker 5: the communism thing, and Hassan Piker is worth listening to
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  Speaker 5: as the sort of pied Piker of all of these candidates.
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  Speaker 4: The streamer and he calls it the Commie Corridor.
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  Speaker 5: Through the Northeast and that they need to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that everyone knows it's as red as possible.
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  Speaker 6: The old world is dying. The old world is dying.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of messaging is that to America
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  Speaker 1: on it's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. You're about to
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  Speaker 1: go down I heard this morning and do the Great
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  Speaker 1: American State Fair, the Great American Fair on the mall
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of nights with Fox. People are a
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  Speaker 1: bulliant about the country, especially the Tartan Army which is
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  Speaker 1: taking over Miami. And Freddie La nine or six whatever
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  Speaker 1: he is driving through Ohio right now.
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  Speaker 6: How can they get away with this? It's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Well, this is a thing that I actually think Mom
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  Speaker 5: Donnie in the past, not in that clip, has been
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  Speaker 5: better at than a lot of lefty progressive socialist candidates,
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  Speaker 5: Which is he kind of seems to enjoy life like
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  Speaker 5: He seems like a person who enjoys the prosperity of America,
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  Speaker 5: even if he's talking bad about it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of these people can't pull off looking happy ever,
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  Speaker 5: because they're so angry about America, and that does not
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  Speaker 5: go well with Americans.
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  Speaker 4: You have to be looking forward.
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  Speaker 5: I saw a Crooked Media podcast with John Favau the
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  Speaker 5: other day with the host asking or someone asking, what
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  Speaker 5: becomes of a left leaning party that can't be excited
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  Speaker 5: about America at all?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 5: I understand we have critiques, but if we hand over
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  Speaker 5: everything of patriotism to the right, that's on us, and
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  Speaker 5: it has.
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  Speaker 4: Been on them for a long time that they've been
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  Speaker 4: doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the GOP on February twenty eighth had seventy percent
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  Speaker 1: plus support for the presidents going to war with Iran.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the GOP is the facto now the
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  Speaker 1: party of American Jews and American supporters of Israel. There
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  Speaker 1: might be a few who want to deny that, but
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to remain a Democrat if you're a
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  Speaker 1: strong supporter of Israel. Should the GOP make that clear
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  Speaker 1: at the ballot box?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think this is clearly an animating force for them,
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  Speaker 5: as I've said, and it should be made clear, and
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  Speaker 5: you should appeal particularly, I think not just to Jewish.
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  Speaker 4: Voters in urban areas but all over.
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  Speaker 5: The country, but also to black and Hispanic working class
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  Speaker 5: voters who are being pushed out of these areas by
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  Speaker 5: highly educated, downwardly mobile, overly graduate, degreed white voters right
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  Speaker 5: whose animating force happens to be that they dislike Israel.
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  Speaker 4: It's a crazy combo, and I think the thing that is.
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  Speaker 5: Most clear to me is that you can continue to
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  Speaker 5: run on, Hey, do you really want these weirdos over here.
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  Speaker 4: In charge for a while?
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  Speaker 5: I'm afraid they'll get enough momentum that eventually this will
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  Speaker 5: become much more mainstream. Also, I would note that I
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  Speaker 5: don't think of Josh Sapiro or a John Ossoff, although.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the sensible people in that party are like,
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  Speaker 4: these guys are great. Look, they're good, they're talented.
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  Speaker 5: Do I think they're going to succeed in a party
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  Speaker 5: animated by this belief?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, I want to switch to something you've said again
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  Speaker 1: on the new edition of Getting Hammered with Vic Madtis.
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  Speaker 1: You said America is war weary and more wary, but
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  Speaker 1: not isolationists. Now, my overarching belief is that we're in
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  Speaker 1: the five month phony war, that the sixty days will
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  Speaker 1: become one hundred and fifty days, and then President Trump,
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  Speaker 1: after the election returns are counted, will do what W
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  Speaker 1: did in two thousand and six and double down as
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  Speaker 1: W did with the surge in the famous library speech
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  Speaker 1: after he got quote thumped, am I just ridiculously up
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  Speaker 1: domestic Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you are not yours?
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  Speaker 5: Is my favorite argument for why this could go a
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  Speaker 5: different way than I am pessimistically thinking it will.
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  Speaker 4: Look.
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  Speaker 5: I think impact has already been made right that many
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  Speaker 5: of the nuclear capabilities are underground in ways they're not
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  Speaker 5: particularly accessible. Much of the military capability has been degraded, along.
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  Speaker 4: With it the ability to reach out and hurt other
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  Speaker 4: people through proxies.
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  Speaker 5: However, it does seem like we're giving a lot of
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  Speaker 5: that back in this transaction.
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  Speaker 4: And so if this is a mere pause and we're
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  Speaker 4: going to.
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  Speaker 5: Let them talkie talkie talk like they love to talk
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  Speaker 5: for a couple for sixty days and then another sixty days,
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  Speaker 5: I would love for us to have a kinetic answer
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  Speaker 5: after the election, because I think, in particular, just like
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  Speaker 5: shooting down Apache helicopter should have large prices that should
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  Speaker 5: not be something we put.
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  Speaker 1: Up with well, talkie talkie talk which is what they've
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  Speaker 1: been doing NonStop since Lucern is driving me a little
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  Speaker 1: bit crazy. But if you're going to play phony war,
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  Speaker 1: you have to play any war. When the Brits and
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  Speaker 1: the French wouldn't attack the Germans in nineteen thirty nine
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  Speaker 1: and nineteen forty, they didn't know what to do. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't know whether or not there was going to be
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  Speaker 1: a war. There was going to be a war, and
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  Speaker 1: they were not paying attention. But they didn't have satellites.
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  Speaker 1: We got satellites. We know what they're doing. We have
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  Speaker 1: the NSA, we know what they're doing. I can't believe,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote maybe I don't want to believe, but I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe Donald Trump will be indifferent to being smoked
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  Speaker 1: in a negotiation.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I hope not.
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  Speaker 5: His threat credibility seems like something he has valued over
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  Speaker 5: both of the courses of his two administrations, and I
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  Speaker 5: hope he continues to value it. And I'm afraid of
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  Speaker 5: it being given away Allah Obama and Biden as a
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  Speaker 5: deterrence measure for the world.
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  Speaker 4: But I hope, I hope you're right, Like he can
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  Speaker 4: quickly change.
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  Speaker 5: And decide that he wants to walk away from the table,
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  Speaker 5: and obviously things will change post election in his calculations.
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  Speaker 5: But there is a part of me that worries very
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  Speaker 5: much that this is what he desires and that getting
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  Speaker 5: out is what he does. And it just like was
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  Speaker 5: more than he wanted to have a pain.
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  Speaker 1: Threshold for second Tuesday after the first Monday in November.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Let me ask you about McDonald's
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  Speaker 1: deep fry apple Pie and water Wings, because you had
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  Speaker 1: controversial takes on both. Although your take on water wings
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  Speaker 1: isn't a new mom thing, that's an old I've been
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  Speaker 1: a lifeguard since nineteen seventy three. We never let water
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  Speaker 1: wings in my pool, so I'm really down on water wing.
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  Speaker 1: But I would never eat a McDonald deep fry apple pie,
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  Speaker 1: and not just because it would scorch my mouth.
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  Speaker 6: I just would never eat one.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I would definitely.
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  Speaker 5: Really, it's an injury concern for me, and I just
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  Speaker 5: need to chill out and let that thing, as Vic said,
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  Speaker 5: sit for about an hour before I try to eat it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look, I'm a McDonald's fan. I'm not going
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  Speaker 5: to be mad about anything they offer me usually, so
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to try this. I did not know this
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  Speaker 5: was discontinued because I'm not a sweets person.
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  Speaker 4: But I will try it on this.
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  Speaker 1: What about the water wings, I couldn't quite we were
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  Speaker 1: using them or not using them.
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  Speaker 4: On the What the floaties?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we do it sometimes it's just a matter
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  Speaker 5: of you know, when you have four children, or when
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  Speaker 5: you're with a gathering, how.
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  Speaker 1: Old yes oooh yes, Mary Catherine, put holes in them,
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  Speaker 1: throw them away. They are never to be trusted. We
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  Speaker 1: used to see kids sink on the first day of
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  Speaker 1: swimming season every year because they thought they were floating
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  Speaker 1: by the end.
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  Speaker 6: Of last year.
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  Speaker 1: I know mk Hammer on X Getting Hammered as her podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Go look for her on Saturday and Sunday night at
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  Speaker 1: the Great American Fair. She's down there with Fox News.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mary Catherine. Stay tuned, America. I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 2: The old world is dying and the new world struggles
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  Speaker 2: to be born. Now is the time of monsters. These
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  Speaker 2: monsters take many forms today.
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  Speaker 6: APEX welcome back to America.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only slightly edited version of Mayor Mom Donnie
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  Speaker 1: last night, because he had a couple of words before
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  Speaker 1: he said apac after monsters. But we got the point,
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  Speaker 1: and I want you to get the point. I'm joined
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  Speaker 1: now by Noah g Rothman and senior writer at National Review,
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood and Progress, which becomes more timely with
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  Speaker 1: every headline. I think Blood in Progress could have been
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  Speaker 1: a book display behind comrade mom Donnie last night.
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  Speaker 6: Noah, what do you think? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I agree.
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  Speaker 8: Part of the reason why I don't think you're seeing
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  Speaker 8: it on display in bookstores because of how relevant it is.
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  Speaker 8: And just about every other day there's a new headline
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  Speaker 8: illustrating why this is a suppressed history and not an
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  Speaker 8: obscure history, the latest being the Washington Post, which reported
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  Speaker 8: on the conviction of a terrorist cell that mounted an
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  Speaker 8: attack on an ice facility in Texas last year, using
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  Speaker 8: sophisticated ambush tactics, using fireworks to lead their targets out,
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  Speaker 8: opening up on them in overlapping fields of fire. The
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  Speaker 8: Washington Post described that as a protest that turned violent.
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  Speaker 3: Very passive.
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  Speaker 8: But that's howthing is. That's a lot. That's yeah, it's
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  Speaker 8: not the news. They absolutely did. I have a tweet
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  Speaker 8: on it this morning. I captured the headline and a
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  Speaker 8: screen grab and the subsequent description of the event, which
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  Speaker 8: does not match our reality. They are attempting to obscure
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  Speaker 8: this reality because they don't want you to know it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that was a classic Box Canyon shootout where they
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  Speaker 1: got the drop on what they thought would be I
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  Speaker 1: and S guards. I think they ended up shooting Texas
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  Speaker 1: law people right, and they're.
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  Speaker 7: Targeting federal law enforcement.
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  Speaker 8: I think it was either a CBP facility or an
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  Speaker 8: ICE facility, but it was one of three shooting attacks, assaults,
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  Speaker 8: armed assaults on ICE facility officers, and one officer I
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  Speaker 8: believe it was shot in the neck who survived subsequently.
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  Speaker 7: But they left behind Marxist literature behind them.
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  Speaker 8: They left behind pamphlets and flags, all of them illustrating
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  Speaker 8: Marxian slogans being not an even remotely coy about their objectives, which,
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  Speaker 8: as most Marxist guerrilla movements do, set out to kill
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  Speaker 8: federal officers and police.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's go to New York City then. I believe
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  Speaker 1: the Republicans ought to play that clip everywhere in every
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  Speaker 1: race and simply say the DSA is nested inside the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic Party. It's like the alien in alien. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to grow there until it bursts out of their stomach
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  Speaker 1: and takes over the entire party, and if you vote
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  Speaker 1: for the Democrat, you're voting for the DSA ascendancy, fair
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  Speaker 1: or not fair.
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  Speaker 7: Very fair.
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  Speaker 8: We saw yesterday senators like Chris Murphy and Cory Booker
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  Speaker 8: making their peace with their new Marxist overlords. APAK being
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  Speaker 8: described as a bunch of monsters. APAC is Americans. They
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  Speaker 8: talk about it like it's a foreign entity. It's Americans
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  Speaker 8: using their money to support political speech and lobby their
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  Speaker 8: government rights protected by the Constitution.
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  Speaker 7: They just don't like what they're doing.
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  Speaker 8: But this is not just the Democrats making a domestic scapegoat,
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  Speaker 8: as they so often do of their fellow Americans. The
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  Speaker 8: Democratic Socialists of America is a hate group. It has
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  Speaker 8: been a hate group four years after the October seventh massacre.
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  Speaker 7: Within hours of the October seventh massacre, as.
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  Speaker 8: The October seventh massacre was ongoing, the Democratic Socialists of
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  Speaker 8: America hosted rallies in defense of the actions of Hamas
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  Speaker 8: they did so multiple times over the course of October,
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  Speaker 8: well before Israel ever mounted a ground operation in Saigaza.
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  Speaker 8: In November of that year, they laid siege to the
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  Speaker 8: Democratic National Committee and did battle with police. Democratic representative
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  Speaker 8: Sean cast and said it could have been worse, but
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  Speaker 8: we were rescued his words by police. The Democratic Socialists
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  Speaker 8: of America have held conferences in which speakers have talked
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  Speaker 8: about how Hamas's actions were justified, hosted people who are
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  Speaker 8: affiliated with indeed did time for terrorist actions associated with
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  Speaker 8: Palestinian Islamic Shihad and the Martyr's Brigade, you know, alex
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  Speaker 8: a Martyrs Brigade. And subsequently we now have democratic candidates
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  Speaker 8: who endorse in word, indeed the actions of Hamas, and
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  Speaker 8: all of this seems anti Semitic, and it is, but
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  Speaker 8: it's also an attack on the West in America. They
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  Speaker 8: hate America more than they hate anything else. They hate
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  Speaker 8: our justice system. They want to dismantle it. They think
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  Speaker 8: there shouldn't be prisons or police because there is no
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  Speaker 8: justice in America. Our justice system is hopelessly corrupt. They
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  Speaker 8: hate our capitalist enterprise. They believe that Israel is a
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  Speaker 8: product of that capitalist enterprise.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of the.
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  Speaker 8: Narratives that they articulate were crafted in the Soviet Union,
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  Speaker 8: literally in the early seventies, by the Kremlin when it
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  Speaker 8: needed to anathematize Zionism as it gravitated towards the American sphere,
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  Speaker 8: and we see people who are talking literally New York
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  Speaker 8: City representatives now who are saying that New York deserves
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  Speaker 8: nine to eleven all because Americans are tied up and
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  Speaker 8: bound to this evil foreign policy that they articulate. They
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  Speaker 8: hate America, they hate Americans, and they endorse violence in
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  Speaker 8: the pursuit of their reims.
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  Speaker 7: It's a hate group.
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  Speaker 8: I'd be recognized as a hate group if their politics
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  Speaker 8: were right of center.
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  Speaker 1: You're right my short description of them, anti West, anti American,
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  Speaker 1: anti anti Semitic. What are they for, Noah, I really
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard other than free grocery stores which have not
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  Speaker 1: opened and free bus rides which have been rolled back.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, if you were to boil those policies
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  Speaker 8: down to a political philosophy, it is reduced private ownership
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  Speaker 8: and increased public ownership, which is pretty much where the
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  Speaker 8: international left is going. It is driving towards a form
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  Speaker 8: of socialist economics. But I don't even think socialism captures
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  Speaker 8: it as you described with Mary Catherine. It's much more
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  Speaker 8: Marxis Leninist, an unreconstructed vision of Marxist Leninism. In a
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  Speaker 8: lot of it's various permutations. If you're a student of
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  Speaker 8: the Cold War, you see so many parallels that probably
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  Speaker 8: advocates of their policies don't even recognize because they're too
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  Speaker 8: ignorantive history to know it.
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  Speaker 7: You did a job, Marx Leninist movement.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: You did a fine job hosting the National Review Editors
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: podcast yesterday, during which Arlie Cook said Great Britain I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: didn't realize that Great Britain would be the fifty first
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: least wealthy state if they were a state in the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: United States based on per capita GDP. That's quite the
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: stunner to go from the British Empire to fifty first
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to as Charlie put it, behind Mississippi. And we like Mississippi,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: don't get us wrong, but they are the poor state
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and the UK being poorer than Mississippi. My goodness, Why
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: does anyone want to go down the Clement Attlee Lane.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: And that's exactly by the way, what kir Starmer did
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: by renationalizing the trains. I mean, it was Margaret Thatcher
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: who broke up the state monopolies and suddenly restored dynamism
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: to the British economy. They're undoing all her achievements. There
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: was this twenty twenty four report by Mario Draghe Dragi,
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: I believe is how you pronounced it. He's the European
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: Central Bank president, and it was really traumatic to the
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: European psyche. He said, you know, basically, we have fallen
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: so far behind the United States. They've eclipsed us of
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: the tune of double our GDP in the space of
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: twenty five years, whereas we have, you know, one within
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: so that companies that are founded within the last fifty
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: years that have a valuation of one hundred billion or more,
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: the Europe has like a handful.
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: Of them, and the US has about seventy times that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: And it was roughly there was rough parody at the
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: turn of this century, no longer, and Europeans raged against this,
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: raged against this, didn't want to believe it. Everything they've
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: been told about America said that's wrong. And then all
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: these Europeans start showing up on our shores right for
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: World Cup and marveling at the wonders that we take
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: for granted. And the economists had this great piece on this.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: They all but settled the debate pretty much overnight. The
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: European Graybeards and Paul Krugman, who are conducting bespoke analyzes
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: of individual purchasing power in order to get to the
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: conclusion they want European soccer fans just to send on
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: our shores and say, oh, there's no debate here. We
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: are falling behind.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Obvious.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: It was obviously in a Tartan Army video in a
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: public's parking lot where he was eating a gigantic half
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: sandwich and loving it. Nos c Rothman, fall him on exit.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: No c Rothman, go and get blood in progress. If
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you want to know what's going on in New York
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: and across the land as the left marches itself over
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the left Cliff, I hope going full Thelma and Louise.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America station, walking back of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: America and Hue Hewett. It's been an interesting twenty four
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: hours in American politics. The communists romp in New York
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: City and the President stomps up on sen Hill. He
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: got into a yelling match with Senator Cassidy. Today, I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: have got the inimitable Sarah C. Bedford to the Washington
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Examiner with me, Sarah. The President went to Capitol Hill
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: at first he canceled the signing ceremony for the Housing bill,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: then he got into it with Bill Cassidy and other
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: what's going on, what's in the water today?
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: Well, tensions were already high heading into that Senate lunch
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: because of that cancelation of the signing of the Housing bill,
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: because Republicans were really banking on that as a huge
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: victory for them to run on in the midterms. There's
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: a huge concern among voters still about affordability. It's the
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: number one thing most folks are going to be voting on.
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: In the Housing Bill is really the only thing so
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: far this year that Republicans can point to and say, look,
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: we are focused on the concerns of working people and
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: of the base. And President Trump sort of stepped all
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: over what should have been a really happy victory lap
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: for Republicans. So those tensions were already high heading into
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: that lunch, and then you have yesterday the around War
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: Powers vote in.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: The Senate, which for the first time in the Senate
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: did not go Trump's way.
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: It's a symbolic vote more than anything, but certainly added
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: to the growing tensions between Senate Republican leadership and President Trump.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Now, Sarah, did the president at all speak to driving
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party over the left? Cliff, I would not
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: be surprised if you've decided on, let's just run against
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the Democrat nuttiness. We don't need a platform. They're crazy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, that could be effective because Democrats are
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: putting up a lot of candidates in deep blue districts,
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: so ones they're not likely to lose, but who wouldn't
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: be palatable to a general electorate, and so might prove
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: to be good foils for some of those other races
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: and districts that aren't so blue, because it's not like
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: centrist Democrats are disavowing the type of rhetoric you're hearing
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: from those Democrats.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Democrats who are.
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: Affiliated with groups that want to end Western civilization, or
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: one in New York's thirteenth congressional district that wants to
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: abolish prisons and doesn't even want to see murderers behind bars.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: That's something that most people would agree is kind of lone,
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: and so that could be an.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Effective strategy for Republicans.
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: But look, Democrats have tried running only against an opponent, right,
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: running only against a foil.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: They tried that with Trump and it's not.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: Really enough because voters they still want to hear an
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: affirmative vision of what a party would do if they
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: did get power, and so Republicans they are worried that
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: just running against the left successes isn't going to be
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: enough to win in November when the playing field's already
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: kind of tilted against them.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Sarah, A big question. I think Donald Donald Trump may
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: have hollered at the Democratic Party in that he so
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: focused their energy on hating him, both Nancy Pelosi and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer and their minions, that they were not paying
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: attention to business. They didn't have a you know, they
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: nominated Joe Biden, they nominated Kamala Harris. There's nothing left
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: of the traditional classic Democrat party of John F. Kennedy,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson, even up to Jimmy Carter. It's hollered out. Now,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it's being parasitically taken over by the DSA. Is there
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: no Democratic will stand up and say no, Moss, this
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: is a terrible stop.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: I think that's right, because the Democratic establishment, if you will,
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: has spent the last decade running only against Trump and Republicans.
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: They put nothing forward in terms of what they would
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: do for the country.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Say what you will about the Socialists and.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: The Democratic Party, their vision for America is pretty far
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: afield from what the founder's envisioned, but at least it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: an affirmative vision, right. They have a list of plans
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: that they would implement if they were to take power,
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: and it looks like that is definitely going to happen
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: in the Democratic Party. So there's no energy on the
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: left other than in the socialist.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Wing of it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: But what I think you might see happen in twenty
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: twenty eight in order to win in a presidential which
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: is a totally different electorate than what you see in
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: the mid terms. You could see a candidate, maybe someone
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: like Josh Sapiro, maybe someone like Andy Basheer, come out and.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Sort of push back on some of those successes.
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: And find a lot of ground with ordinary swing voters,
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: especially if Donald Trump emerges from these four years unpopular,
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: if he's not able to sort of pivot to affordability
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: and things and immigration and things that voters put him
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: in off this for there might be a real opening
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: for a twenty twenty eight contender to do that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, Andy Bsher, I just don't know, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: know he's dull as dull Canby, but Joshapiro very smart,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: but he's Joeish like John Ossa. They can't go anywhere
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party, can they. This is an antichemitic party. Now.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that's a huge problem, right, is that in order?
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: It's like there's such a gulf between what would succeed
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: in the general election and what is required of a
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: candidate to make it through democratic primary, which is to
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: sort of prostrate yourself to all of these woke ideologies, socialism,
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: all of these things that most normal swing voters would
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: find really unsavory and disqualifying. And so you have to
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: have a really strong nominee who is able to maintain
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: that of appeal with the left wing base while not
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: indulging them. And that I don't know if there's anybody
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: in the Democratic Party is who is capable of that,
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: But that'll be a requirement for someone who's gonna have
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: a real shot in the general election.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And these socialists, like the.
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: Ones you saw win last night, they're going to make
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: that really difficult.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Here's what the President said today cut number two about
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the Democrats.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Every election is important.
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: We're doing very well they want a lot of communists
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: to come in. I'm saying it a little bit differently,
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: but the people that they're pushing are communists, and this
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: country is not going to have communists segulary.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So Sarah is the over confident about that this country
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: is not going to have communists, because I think he
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: might be a little overconfident.
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this socialism movement could be short lived, but these
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: socialists who won their primaries last night are very likely
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: to ascend.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: To the House of Representatives.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: So you will have at least a couple of years
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: of some of those candidates.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: And you have others at the city level.
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: You have Nitschel Rahman, who's affiliated with the DSA in
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: Los Angeles, very likely to become the mayor of one
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: of America's most iconic cities. You have soil run Mom
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: Donnie already doing that in New York City. And maybe
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: when people see the results of what that governance actually
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: looks like, the devastated budgets, the reduced city services, like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: the actual real world effects of that ideology, it will
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: be short lived. But in the midterms and in the
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: short term, there's a very real chance that America will
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: in fact tolerate a little bit of communism.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Well, we've got Katie Wilson in Seattle as well, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know who's going to win in DC, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I think she's from the far left. I think the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: President is right intuitively that America is a free enterprise,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: freedom loving, liberty defending country. But I mean last night
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: in New York, it went left. And I don't mean
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit left. It went way over the cliff.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise left.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: Sarah C. Bedford always good to talk to you.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Follow on exit, Sarase Bedford, reader in the DC Examiner
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: dot com or with the Washington Examiner every day. Thank you, Sarah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Great America, I'm do it. Welcome to hour two, which
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I begin with Tim Rice, who is the DC bureau
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: chief for the Daily Wire. He's the author of a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: brand new article in the Daily Wire, how the kids
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: learned to Love Richard Nixon. It's an astonishing article. When
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I saw this, I immediately went rid it, and I
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: found out that the smartest thing I've done in my
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: life is hire Jim Byron, the new executive director who
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: replaced me at the Nixon Library.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Tim Rice, welcome.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Thank you for this fabulous piece.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I never got any coverage like this, but then again
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I had and hired Chris Barber.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: Tell people what you found out, what you wrote.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Hugh.
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: As you said, it's an astonishing story, and I was
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: really glad to tell it. Basically, I'm sure some of
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: your listeners and viewers have seen this. But about a
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: year ago, we saw that started noticing this trend of
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: really cool gen Z style tiktoks and memes on the
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: internet all about Richard Nixon, and they it wasn't just
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: the sort of flash in the pan phenomenon. It seemed
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: to have legs. People were reevaluating Nixon. Young people on
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: social media were sharing stories about how, you know, we
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: learned the wrong things about Watergate, about China, about Vietnam.
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: So obviously this set the left into a panic. Right,
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: how can we afford to have people rehabilitating Richard Nixon?
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: You know, that would demolish the narrative that all Republican
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: presidents are evil criminals. So they started running these hit pieces,
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: you know, wondering where are these memes coming from? Is
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: it this vast right wing conspiracy? And I just figured, well,
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: it's probably coming from the Nixon Library. Why don't we
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: talk to those folks? And you know, it turns out,
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: as is so often the case, it's not some vast
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: right wing conspiracy, it's not some evil plot. It turns
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: out that the folks, Chris and Jim, the people that
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: you just mentioned, the young guys who are now running
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: the Nixon Library and Foundation, are just really committed to
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: their mission of stewarting President Nixon's legacy, and they just
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: happen to be really good at their job. They're really
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: good at making memes and finding new audiences and new viewers,
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: making connections on social media. I forget the exact statistic,
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: it's in the piece, something like fifty percent of the
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: visitors to the library have been under the age of
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: thirty in the past year since they launched this new
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: social media strategy.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: So it's really working for them, and it's really cool
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: to see.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: A mat and lots of merch. I want to get
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: my hat off.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: It's it's like.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Nixon maxing is the is the hat you use? And
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know Chris Barber, but I know Jim Byron,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Joe Lopez, Chris Nordyke and the rest of the gang there,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and they are all under thirty five. Do you think
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: this is a wild question? Do you think other institutions
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: that are in the marketing business might be well served
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: by a generational overdue so that maybe say goodbye to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: people over at fifty and bring in the people under
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: thirty five.
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: I mean, look, with all due respect to it to
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: people of all age groups, right, I think that sometimes
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: that that is important, and I think that in this
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: instance you really see the benefit of youth, not just
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: youth as youth, right, or young people because they're young
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: and because they're hip. But in this instance, right, the
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: fact that these guys are young, they're all under thirty five,
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: and they have this knowledge of social media and this
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: familiarity with gen Z, Now that was not that really
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: actually allowed them to make connections that people might otherwise
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: not have thought.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: And again it's not to blame.
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: Them, right, I mean who before this would have thought
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: that presidential libraries could become online phenomena. Right, They pretty
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: much exist for you know, history, history nerds and dads,
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: you know, both of both of which things.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: So I don't say that with judgment, but it's really important, right,
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: This isn't just important for the Nixon Foundation, though of
• 30:26
  Speaker 11: course it is, but it's important for America. It's important
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: for America's young people. You know, again, I mentioned in
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: the piece that I've been joking with my friends who
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: I keep talking to about Nixon these days. Everyone learned
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: the exact same thing. Richard Nixon is probably the only
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: historical figure in American the only figure in American history
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: who every student at every school for the past fifty
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: years has gotten the same narrative. He did Watergate, he
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: had stagflation. He said, I'm not a crook. But he
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: opened China at the end of the Vietnam War, So
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: he was good on foreign policy. That's the line on Nixon.
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: That's all people know, that's all they're allowed to teach.
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: That's all that you know, students know. But of course
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: he was this fascinating, you know, kind of incredible man,
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: a self made man, a lifelong public servant, a man who,
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: despite the fact that he was repeatedly rejected by his party,
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: by the media, by the Washington elites, he never left.
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: He never just hung it all up and went back
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: to public private practice.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: He ran for Congress, he ran for the president presidency,
• 31:20
  Speaker 11: he became vice president, he became president. Even after Watergate,
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: he laid low for a couple of years, but then
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: he was around. He was giving interviews, he was advising
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: presidents through Bill Clinton, who's during whose administration he died.
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: I mean, this man was an American public servant through
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: and through, and it's a shame that more Americans don't
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: know the full story about him.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Now, as you tell in your story in the Daily Wire,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and I just posted at the top of my action,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Tim's excount is Tim Rice DC. You point out it's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: triggered a reaction from the old anti Nixon gang led
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: by the self described desk officer of the Watergate cover up,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: John Deane. Now he's a creep. I mean, not work
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: for creep. He's just a creep. And a bunch of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the people that were in on getting Nixon are out there.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: They're very panic by this because they realized they kind
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of lost the long game, haven't they. Tim?
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, And I mean, look the John dene and all
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: the sort of turncotes or the you know, the whistleblowers.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I guess we should call them.
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: They're obviously, and that's something that I'm even still digging into, right.
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: I mean, I feel like everything I learned writing and
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: researching this piece, I already realized and understood that there
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: were problems with the sort of official story about Watergate. There's
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: so much more there that I'm not even diving into.
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: But I think the person who has the biggest to lose,
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: or the most to lose, is Bob Woodward, right. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: I mean it makes sense in retrospect. This is a
• 32:43
  Speaker 11: man who's sort of entire journalistic career has been built
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: around the Watergate legacy. So on the one hand, you
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: sort of think, okay, it makes sense that woodwardould really
• 32:52
  Speaker 11: want to tie himself to Watergate, into Nixon's resignation, because
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: that was the thing that made him. But the more
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: you dig and when you realize, as a wrote in
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: the piece, that Ben Bradley, the editor at the Washington Post,
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: had serious misgivings about.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Woodward's reporting, that Woodward.
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: Was kind of a fabulous, that he was always sort
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: of in it to sell books and get the movie deal,
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: and that he's repeatedly over the past fifty years tried
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: to and successfully in many cases, shut down inquiries into
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: you know, deep throat into Mark felt into how him
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: and Karl Bernstein reported this story. So obviously he has
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: a lot to lose personally, but also the sort of
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: media establishment has a lot to lose, because I think
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: it's easy to forget at this point, but Watergate really
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: was the foundational myth of you know, mainstream media journalism
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: as we know it today, right, this sense that reporters
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: are out there to expose politicians, that politicians necessarily had
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: something to hide, and that, oh, by the way, the
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: politicians who have something to hide are Republicans, and it
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: just so happens that the journalists tend to be working
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: with Democrats. So, you know, to rethink the Nixon story,
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: to rethink the Watergate narrative is not just to re
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: think John Deane's career, in Bob Woodward's career. It's to
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: rethink the last half century of American politics and realized that, hey,
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: maybe the people who were telling us, you know, what's
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: right and wrong, what's true and false, what's you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: trustworthy and non trustworthy in American life, in Washington, in
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: the media, maybe they weren't honest dealers, and maybe they
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: haven't been from the beginning.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I never comment on Bob Woodward. Tim The
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: quick story is the month before the library opened, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I was the first executive director, and I oversaw its construction.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I gave a tour to an LA Times reporter of it,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and as the archives the stuff in the basement where
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you kept all the papers, and as we were leaving,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I'd spent two and a half three hours with her chefs.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Can anyone come here? I thought off the end, I'd
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: make a joke and well, I guess not Woodward. We're
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: not gonna let Woodward in. And that, of course became
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the front page in the LA Times, and the call
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: came from New Jersey, where the boss was, and Aaron
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: did not like that, and we I got slapped on
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the fingers pretty quickly. But I don't comment on Woodward
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: as a result that. I do want to comment though,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: on the fact that young people. What do you think
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: after he wrote that long piece and I really want
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: people to read it, Why are younger people drawn to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: our inn? I have my own theory. I worked for
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: him when I was twenty one, so I have my
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: own theory. But what do you think?
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's twofold.
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: The first is just that he's somebody who has not
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: really been on the table for them to read about, right,
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: So kind of paradoxically, he's fresh, even though he's one
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: of the most covered, talked about, mocked, mimbable figures in
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: American history. As I said, it's only that capsule narrative.
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: So now and again, the Foundation is doing a great
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: job of this beyond just the memes. They're just posting
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: videos of Nixon talking about Ukraine, Nixon talking about the economy,
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: predicting things that happened in the past fifteen years, predicting
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: things that happened in the past five years. So I
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: think partially it's just that they realize, oh man, there's
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: this wealth of information, there's this fascinating political figure and
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: thinker who we haven't had access to. But I also
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: think that young people today are more poised than most
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: generations of young people to question the official narrative, right
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: because until twenty twenty, you know, it was just it
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: was accepted that. You know, young people they question their parents,
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: they push back, they push boundaries, that's.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: What they do.
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: But if you think about you know, young people today,
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: they came of age during peak Woke, right when every
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: corporation was telling them and oftentimes their classroom teachers were
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: telling them that they had to be ashamed of being white,
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: of having privileged. Then they this all came crashing down
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: during the coronavirus pandemic, when they watched bureaucrats sort of say,
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: you know, go from fifteen days to slow the spread
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: to two years of remote learning, and you're not graduating
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: and you can't go to prom Then we went through Biden,
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: you know, and then Kamala Harris, the bait and switch
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: of that they watched, you know them the Democrats get
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: back in office and immediately try to impeach President Trump,
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: only again for them to kind of go running for
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: the hills in twenty twenty four. So, you know, there's
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: probably never been a an American generation that can more
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: relate to Richard Dixon's story and has more of an
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: opportunity to learn from it. A man who again was
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: at every turn sort of lied to, light about and
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: shanghaied by all of these you know, official organs from
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: you know, the media to Washington.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. I'll add one little add on
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to the young people. Very few people come from as
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: far away as nowhere as Richard Nixon with nothing like
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Richard Nixon end up being recognized as a genius and
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: make it for the White House after losing the race
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: for the president. It comes back and when Tim Rook's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: great article Nixon is so back in the Daily Wire,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: go to my ex account or go to Tim right
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: DC on next to find it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: Thank you, Welcome back America.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Danielle Pluck aka Danny Putka, Senior Fellow at the American
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute, co host, So what the hell is going on?
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: With?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Mark Tiessen is here to tell me what the hell
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: is going on in New York City and with the Iranians.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Let's start with the Ryan's Danny, I tend to believe
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that they're just making a lot of stuff up. But
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: why are we seeding the information narrative war to them?
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: Well, first of all, Hugh, I should begin with the
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: idea that when we're talking about Iran and we're talking
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: about New York City, we're not actually talking about very
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: different things.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: But that's a different problem for America.
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: Look, you know, I would I would love to call
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: the Iranians liars, but the one of the things that
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: I've seen is that a lot of their narrative has
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: proven correct. Were there three hundred billion dollars in there
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: for them? Denied by the president, denied by the Vice president?
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: You bet there were.
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: So are there weapons inspectors going to Iran?
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: The Iranians say no, the.
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: Americans say yes, the IEA says yes. I don't know
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: who to believe anymore, and that's troubling to me.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I wonder are we giving them. I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: think it's five months before we come to a conclusion
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: on whether the president goes back to war or not.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: He's going to wait for after the election. Oil is
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: down at seventy dollars a barrel today, gas prices are
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: falling like a rock. That's what he wanted, that's what
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: he got. But we don't really know what's going to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: happen until those five months. It's like the phony war, right,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you know your World War two history, the Germans blitzkrieg bulling,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and then nothing happens for seven months and people think
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: maybe there's not going to be a war, and then
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it resumes. I think this is the phony war.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I hope you're right.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not persuaded.
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: I think there's been a real narrative shift inside the
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: administration and I think that while if I sort of
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: had the president under truth serum, he would say he
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: did the right thing, and that he did the right
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: thing and seriously degraded Iran's nuclear their missile and their program,
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: and their military industrial complex. Going any further would have
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: been a mistake and worse yet, part of the narrative
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: that I'm hearing from this administration is and if we've
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: gone any further, it was only because Israel made us.
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: And so I'm really worry that the president is not
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: going to turn around. He's just going to pay the
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: Iranians off, hope for the best, and punt this to
• 40:17
  Speaker 12: the next president, just like Barack Obama did.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, the difference, of course, having destroyed the nuclear program
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and made sut them back to zero, do not pass, go,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: do not collect two hundred. However, I've listened to Mark
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: on Fox, I've listened to other critics of the deal.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: They're very alarmed. I'm just not going to be alarmed
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: until after the election. But you did give me the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: bridge to New York. There has been some rhetoric from
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: all sorts of places that's anti Israel. Among the Republicans
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: in charge of this deal, hard to believe with Jerry
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Kushner around, but it's happened. And now we've got Mom
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Danni in the DSA. And I think the DSA is
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: simply anti West, anti American, anti Israel and anti Semitic.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Do you think I'm over doing it?
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: No?
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I think you are completely right the DSA.
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: The DSA represents the fringiest of the fringe, the sort
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: of you know, meeting of the of the Comsomol and
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: Hitler youth together, extremist, totalitarian and their orientation anti Semitic
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: and frankly anti capitalist, anti Western, anti everything that America
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: was founded for, and you know, anti Israel. That's just
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: like a little card you give at the entrance for
• 41:35
  Speaker 12: a lot of these folks. These people hate everything this
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: country stands for and everything that has made us the
• 41:42
  Speaker 12: richest country in the world and made our people the
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: most prosperous and the safest. They are such a danger, Hue.
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: I look at New York and I despair.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: That a malignancy.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Now the question to me is will it actually attract voters?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Not in New York City, the attention of them to say, WHOA.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: We have to rebuke the Democrats because I think that
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: might be a counter narrative heading into November, which is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: we have to put the crazy people back in their box,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: both in Maine where we're going to realize Susan Collins
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: in Michigan, where we're going to go with Mike Rodgers.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: You might get a Democrat somewhere else who's not a
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: crazy DSA or but the rest of the country is
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: going to reject it. Am I again being too optimistic.
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: You are a perennial optimist. I think a lot is
• 42:26
  Speaker 12: going to be clearer once we see what happens in Michigan,
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: because there you've got a state that was won by
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: President Trump. If somebody of the caliber oft aside who
• 42:35
  Speaker 12: you know is it would be a good candidate to
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: join some sort of Salafi group if you have, if
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: he is able to secure a victory, then I think
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: you are seeing a whole new America. I will make
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: one point which I think is super interesting. Look at
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: who voted for the DSA candidates versus who voted for
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: the run of the mill Democrats. Everybody who voted for
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: the far far life left is white, is white, is
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: middle class, Hispanics, Blacks, poor people. They voted much more
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: conservatively in the center of the Democratic Party, and so
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: I think that is going to be a limitation. But
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: I've got my fingers crossed because maybe I'm wrong, and maybe,
• 43:17
  Speaker 12: you know, maybe my pessimism, my perennial pessimism, is warranted.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Well, do you think that Democrats from across the country
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: will be inviting comrade Mondani to their campaign headquarters, because
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they're going to try
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and hide him under a rock. But he's not very
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: easily hidden.
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: He's not very easily hidden, and I would have said
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: that it would have been the kiss of death to
• 43:38
  Speaker 12: have his endorsement, and he made a clean sweep, So
• 43:41
  Speaker 12: you know, again, I think the problem for a lot
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: of us since and especially for people like me who
• 43:47
  Speaker 12: have been in Washington for forty years, is that I
• 43:52
  Speaker 12: don't know what that electorate looks like. And I think
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: younger people are far more susceptible to the glamorous appeal
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: of of a mom danny. That's what I worry about.
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: I hope I'm wrong, but the polls suggest that things
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: are changing and that it's not just a flash in
• 44:09
  Speaker 12: the pan.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Now, Republicans were seventy percent pro Israel and Republican leaning
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: seventy percent pro Israel where the war began on two
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: twenty eight. That may have shaded down a little bit
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: because they didn't like the way that the war went
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: because concluding conclusively, but I don't think maybe American supporters
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: of Israel are going to stay in the Democratic Party,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: but really do they have a future there?
• 44:32
  Speaker 12: No, absolutely not. I mean, this is the problem for
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: the left, and it's not just It's not just in
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: the United States. We see this across Europe, we see
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: this across Asia and the anglosphere in Australia, where I
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: come from, in other places like that, on the left,
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: anti Semitism has become a central tenet and it's not
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: just anti Israel. Let me be absolutely clear. I agree,
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: this is not just about Israel. This is about and
• 44:57
  Speaker 12: it's not just the new narrative about bb Natanyaho.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: This is about the Jewish people.
• 45:02
  Speaker 12: It is the hatred that my people have known for
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: thousands of years.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I don't understand it.
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: I don't understand why it's back, but it is at
• 45:10
  Speaker 12: the heart of the left.
• 45:11
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, the ancient evil never goes away. It just depends
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: on where you are in time to see how large
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the fire has grown. Danny Pletka from AAI follow on
• 45:22
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• 45:25
  Speaker 1: what the Hell is going on one of the best
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: podcasts out there and stay tuned. Thank you to the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: viewing show at the beginning by Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: retired to the United States Navy, now seeingior fellow at
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the Foundation for the Defensive Democracies. Admiral, welcome back. I
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: want to start one of my age reporters within the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: crowd at the symposium on Shipbuilding today and they quote
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: you as saying, if President Trump wants the Golden Dome
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: of the Golden Fleet, he's going to need Asian takeout.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: What's that mean, Admiral.
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: Yeah, So I wrote an up at a few months
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: ago where I submitted that as the is the title
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: of the article.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: They stripped it out.
• 46:04
  Speaker 13: But the principle is that, yeah, there no sense of
• 46:07
  Speaker 13: humor of those editors. He the the they they the
• 46:12
  Speaker 13: argument is that, look, the President has made a generational
• 46:15
  Speaker 13: investment in the Navy. So the president has had the vision.
• 46:18
  Speaker 13: They say, look, we've got to invest more in the military.
• 46:20
  Speaker 13: But it's not just one third, one or one third.
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: I need to very specifically invest in the Navy, and
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: not just the whole Navy, but shipbuilding and and very
• 46:29
  Speaker 13: specifically h He's worried about UH surface ship and submarine shipbuilding,
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: and a lot of this money because of the serviceship,
• 46:36
  Speaker 13: but it was kind of being taken care of. A
• 46:38
  Speaker 13: lot of its money is about surface ship shipbuilding.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Well, Listen, the Navy has not done a great job.
• 46:43
  Speaker 13: Our last three surface ships, the littoral combat ship, the
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: d d G one thousand, and the Constellation Frigate have
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: not succeeded. Now, the vessels themselves may be able to
• 46:54
  Speaker 13: do their mission, but they've come in and it's such
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: an exorbitant price so late in the in the case
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: of LCS and GG one thousand, Frigate had not had
• 47:03
  Speaker 13: a chance to be late yet when it was canceled.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: That they were failures as shipbuilding.
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: So my take is that there's a problem with the military,
• 47:12
  Speaker 13: the naval officers leading this, there's a problem with the
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: production the shipyards, there's some challenges with Congress and resourcing.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: That all came together to.
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: Say, look, you, we are no longer a position to
• 47:25
  Speaker 13: rely solely on the US ship shipyards to build these.
• 47:28
  Speaker 13: You can look over at Japan and Korea and see
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: really high quality frigates being built, and in the case
• 47:35
  Speaker 13: of Japan, in both countries, high quality destroyers being built
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: at a fraction of large fraction, but a fraction of
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: the cost of the US production. So we as we
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: think about spending this one hundred billion dollars over two years,
• 47:50
  Speaker 13: this generational investment by Donald Trump, that I think the
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: Navy leadership, the Department leadership.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: And most importantly the omb ship in a rust boat needs.
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: To look overseas to make to use Japanese and creat shipyards,
• 48:06
  Speaker 13: not to build all the ships, but to either invest
• 48:08
  Speaker 13: in US shipyards or build a couple of ships over
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: there while they get the U s shipyards going, and
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: then build the rest and the most.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Of them in the United States.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Now, Admiral, I believe that that is the way forward.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I think that's what we've done with ice cutters. For
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: icebreakers are being bought a couple abroad, and then they're
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: going to invest in the United States and we're going
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to buy seven from them here ice breakers. But I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: looked at the Administration ship building plan. It goes down
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to nine carriers what do you think of that?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: You know, you have to look at the big picture
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: of everything you're producing. Nine is a low number.
• 48:47
  Speaker 13: You know myself, and you know my you know, our
• 48:49
  Speaker 13: mutual friend Jerry Hendrix would say, it's not the carrier,
• 48:52
  Speaker 13: it's the air wing, right, And so if you show me,
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: if the avators can can get into their skulls, that
• 48:59
  Speaker 13: you're going to need a long range unmanned strike aircraft,
• 49:02
  Speaker 13: long range unmanned strike aircraft off of those aircraft carriers
• 49:07
  Speaker 13: that I'm for a higher number of aircraft carriers. But
• 49:10
  Speaker 13: if you're going to continue to tell me everything's going
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: to be manned and with the man in the cockpit,
• 49:14
  Speaker 13: the range is reduced, the risk of being lost is increased.
• 49:18
  Speaker 13: I'm not excited about carriers. So I'm a fan of carriers.
• 49:22
  Speaker 13: You know, I commanded a carrier strike group.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I believe in them.
• 49:25
  Speaker 13: But look, it's time for the aviators to get religion
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: on the fact that we're rapidly approaching a day where
• 49:32
  Speaker 13: many missions are best accomplished by unmanned strike aircraft, and
• 49:36
  Speaker 13: neither the Navy the Air Force has shown any of
• 49:39
  Speaker 13: the speed, nogility, and the development of unmanned aircraft that
• 49:44
  Speaker 13: they do in making sure the next manned aircraft that
• 49:46
  Speaker 13: in gets onto the drawing board and into the fleet.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Well, let me then bring up our destroyers backbone in
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the Navy. We'll talk about them in a segment two
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: about what to do about the strait if this goes south,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and I think it will. I'm told at both the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Mississippian and Maine, the two places where we make the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Ali Burke destroyer, both shipyards are at least forty two
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: months behind on the delivery of their ships.
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: What do we do about that?
• 50:14
  Speaker 13: So you know, we're not going to be able to
• 50:16
  Speaker 13: build another destroyer shipyard.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's really in the in the cards.
• 50:20
  Speaker 13: When I talk about the Asian takeout menu, it's probably
• 50:22
  Speaker 13: frigate and consulships, logistics ships for those destroyers. It's first
• 50:28
  Speaker 13: of all, hold the shipyards accountable to the contracts they've
• 50:31
  Speaker 13: agreed to get them to try to speed up part
• 50:33
  Speaker 13: of its workforce. You know, they've had union issues in
• 50:36
  Speaker 13: Maine several times over the last decade that each time
• 50:40
  Speaker 13: cause a year to two years with the perturbation in
• 50:42
  Speaker 13: the schedule, you know, three and six month workstoppages. They
• 50:46
  Speaker 13: have this compounding effect.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Down south.
• 50:49
  Speaker 13: They don't have the union issues, but they've struggled with
• 50:52
  Speaker 13: too many other things going on in the yards. So
• 50:55
  Speaker 13: get them focused on putting out destroyers at the right rate.
• 50:58
  Speaker 13: Get them persistent long term, which the Navy has been
• 51:01
  Speaker 13: good at for the last few years.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Most of the time most of the ships.
• 51:04
  Speaker 13: Are coming in abroad, you know, five to nine ship contracts.
• 51:08
  Speaker 13: Keep that going, so they can see the long term
• 51:11
  Speaker 13: supply chain issues and invest against them, hold them accountable
• 51:16
  Speaker 13: for delays that happened.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Beyond that.
• 51:18
  Speaker 13: I think with the destroyer, the arley Bird class destroyer,
• 51:21
  Speaker 13: the Navy has actually reasonably settled on not too many changes,
• 51:25
  Speaker 13: and you know, because it's the we're past number eighty
• 51:27
  Speaker 13: now and they've evolved during those eighty but they were
• 51:32
  Speaker 13: not holding up individual ships or blocks of ships with
• 51:35
  Speaker 13: two aggressive shipbuilding changes like we had with the with
• 51:38
  Speaker 13: the Litoral combat ship and the frigate. So I think
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: we can get these recovered. Maybe certain parts of them
• 51:44
  Speaker 13: can be built at other yards, you know, private small
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: yards and brought in as we're seeing done with the
• 51:50
  Speaker 13: Columbia Class and the and the Virginia class. You know,
• 51:54
  Speaker 13: where work is done outside the yard and brought in.
• 51:57
  Speaker 13: They could be some of that, but I would let
• 51:58
  Speaker 13: those two their two yards that know how to build
• 52:00
  Speaker 13: a good ship. I mean I always felt that a
• 52:02
  Speaker 13: bath ironwork ship was bath built, was best built. It's
• 52:07
  Speaker 13: a high quality ship, and I would take that ship
• 52:09
  Speaker 13: into combat with any Chinese ship in any day. So
• 52:13
  Speaker 13: we're building a good ship.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Just move it faster. Now. I want to ask you
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: about sometimes you blink and you miss something big. I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: think it was big when the Ukrainians saw sunk the
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Moscow with drones. Then I thought it was enormous when
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: an unmanned ship from Saronic went and picked up our
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: two down airmen from the pack. I just thought that
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: was a moment, an inflection point. Do we have Saronic
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: fleets in our future? I am be like five hundred
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: of these things out there with missiles and bombs and
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: sensors on them.
• 52:47
  Speaker 13: So we have medium size unmanned service vessels m usfes.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: We have those in our future.
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: I think we'll have a fleet of a one hundred
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: and fifty to three hundred of those that'll do all
• 52:59
  Speaker 13: kinds of emissions, sensors, weapons packages.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I think that they'll drift.
• 53:05
  Speaker 13: Into l USV large manned service vessels leave in larger
• 53:08
  Speaker 13: weapon packages so that we can increase the lethality of
• 53:13
  Speaker 13: our manned units that are out there with these unmanned
• 53:16
  Speaker 13: ships you know, not you know, tethered not by rope,
• 53:19
  Speaker 13: but electronically tethered to them as they maneuver around the
• 53:22
  Speaker 13: Pacific oceans.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: So yes, we're going to have that in there.
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: Look, I was critical of the aviators early, if be
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: critical the surface warfare officers here. Our m U s
• 53:34
  Speaker 13: V l U s V programs have been fitfull stop
• 53:38
  Speaker 13: and go for about seven or eight years. Congress has
• 53:41
  Speaker 13: just about lost their mind on this, you know, because
• 53:44
  Speaker 13: of the fitful starting and going. But I think we're
• 53:47
  Speaker 13: in the future. That Saronic rescue was fantastic. I have
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: to tell you what's going on in Ukraine isn't m
• 53:54
  Speaker 13: us vs or l us vs. These are small vessels,
• 53:57
  Speaker 13: you know. These are basically slightly bigger than jet skis.
• 54:00
  Speaker 13: And it is shocking the way they have removed Russian
• 54:04
  Speaker 13: sea control from the Black Sea. Russia thought they'd have
• 54:08
  Speaker 13: sea denial or sea control or dominance.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: They've had none of it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: They're they're they're camping out farther and farther up the river,
• 54:17
  Speaker 13: you know in Russian ports, you know, deep well east
• 54:21
  Speaker 13: of Crimea, trying not to get hit by unmanned or
• 54:25
  Speaker 13: I mean unmanned surface or subsurface vessels, you.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Know, going into their shipyards.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: That's remarkable.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Last question in this segment, uh that one of our
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: down airmen reported that he was hiding from a jellyfish
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: formation of Iranian drones that was a master drone and
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: then little drones dangling down from it, and he was
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: sort of weirded out by that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: What is that?
• 54:48
  Speaker 14: What do we have to worry about?
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: And do we have to worry about meethos the new
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: AI coming out of anthropic taking over our our autonomous
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: aircraft and ships.
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: So I'm not sure what he saw that would By
• 55:04
  Speaker 13: the way, it's a very unlucky pilot. I think he
• 55:05
  Speaker 13: was shot down twice in seven days, so I mean
• 55:08
  Speaker 13: it's a tough, tough proth for him. Yeah that if
• 55:10
  Speaker 13: if that's the pilot the front seater, I'm not sure
• 55:13
  Speaker 13: which guy saw the octopus, the front seater or the backseater. Look,
• 55:18
  Speaker 13: do I think that they are I've seen swarming type
• 55:22
  Speaker 13: technology used in Ukraine at a low level.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: I've seen the.
• 55:25
  Speaker 13: US test swarming technology with drones, so it wouldn't surprise
• 55:30
  Speaker 13: me that the Iranians are doing some of that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not ready to you know, I don't know that.
• 55:35
  Speaker 13: They're launching drones from drones yet, but we've seen that
• 55:39
  Speaker 13: in Ukraine, so I will believe a lot. You know
• 55:43
  Speaker 13: that he saw something unusual. Hopefully he's describing it in
• 55:46
  Speaker 13: better detail than that to the professional intelligence official.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be right backward, very Admiral Montgomery, don't go anywhere.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the straight of horror moves
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: when we come back, and how we stand in his view.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned in America.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: They do do a ship.
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: Welcome back in America.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Hugh hewittt joined by Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired the
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: United States Navy with the Foundation for the Defensive Democracy. Admiral,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I want to switch down to this trade. I have
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: not talked to you since the agreement that was made
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: in Switzerland. How do you assess where the United States
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: is right now? B to be Iran?
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: So you know, Lou, I mean, Hugh, I thought that
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: the blockade was doing well, right, I mean, it was effective.
• 56:34
  Speaker 13: It was stopping you know, fifteen billion dollars a month
• 56:37
  Speaker 13: worth of of crude sales fossil fuel.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Sales by Iran.
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: But clearly, you know, the in the in the balance
• 56:45
  Speaker 13: of how much time did the president have, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 13: before his Western partners, trade partners had problems from their
• 56:53
  Speaker 13: lack of fuel and you know, discomfort in the United
• 56:56
  Speaker 13: States with the citizens headed towards the election cycle, versus
• 57:00
  Speaker 13: how long would it take to pressurize the you know,
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: the the resilience of the Iranian system. The number started
• 57:09
  Speaker 13: to go against him, and he said out loud, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 13: think I have about you know, I had about three
• 57:12
  Speaker 13: or four weeks left to make this move, so I
• 57:15
  Speaker 13: feel he probably had to make it.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: That makes sense. I will tell you if he had
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: pushed forward.
• 57:20
  Speaker 13: With continue to allow the US Navy to support merchant
• 57:24
  Speaker 13: ships through the Southern Transit Scheme, it was running for
• 57:27
  Speaker 13: the fifteen days or so before this was signed. But
• 57:30
  Speaker 13: after the ceasefire at about two million barrels a day,
• 57:35
  Speaker 13: and with the stuff going through the pipeline of about
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: seven million barrels a day between the two pipelines, we
• 57:41
  Speaker 13: had about forty five percent of pre war flow.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I think we could have gotten that up.
• 57:48
  Speaker 13: And I think there had been more desperation from the
• 57:50
  Speaker 13: merchant ship owners to get to participate in this, and
• 57:52
  Speaker 13: we would have gotten the flow up.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: But the president you.
• 57:55
  Speaker 13: Know, decided not to you know, didn't have the patience
• 57:57
  Speaker 13: for that, which I understand at that point, and so
• 58:00
  Speaker 13: we're in the position we're in. But it reminds me
• 58:02
  Speaker 13: that two people can two countries can shut down the
• 58:05
  Speaker 13: Gulf the IRN by geography, they can really make it
• 58:10
  Speaker 13: hard that we could still use the southern transit lane,
• 58:13
  Speaker 13: but it's harder clearly.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: And then the United States through a blockade, and.
• 58:17
  Speaker 13: So we got to that point where you know, both
• 58:20
  Speaker 13: countries flex that they could do that and there's a
• 58:22
  Speaker 13: decision to negotiate.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: So that makes sense to me.
• 58:25
  Speaker 13: But the US Navy, with about eighteen destroyers, two carriers,
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: I don't think they have one or two amphibs can
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: do this, you know, forever. And that includes missions off
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: the Eastern Mediterranean to protect Israel missions. You know, we
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: had two or three ships there, two ships in the
• 58:42
  Speaker 13: Babeo Mendeb and then the rest of the ships with
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: the carrier strike groups or at the blockade or in
• 58:48
  Speaker 13: the strait supporting ships going through.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: You know, we had eighteen destroyers spread that way.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: So I my view of this is it's like the
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: phony warn't thirty nine to forty.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: We won't know anything until.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: After the election is over about what the president plans
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: to do in that five month period, because the sixty
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: days will become one hundred and fifty days in a blink,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: because it's the Iranians and that's what they do, and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: that's what we want them to do in this case
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: with the election coming up. So if we decide to
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: go back to combat operations with Iran, will these five
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: months be used to switch out the carrier task force,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to surge defensive arrays to the desalinization plants and the
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: oil fields that we're exposed or are we just going
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to sit there and wait and see it and dismantle
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: everything and then rebuild it if we have to.
• 59:36
  Speaker 13: Well, I hope it's not the last one. First, I
• 59:38
  Speaker 13: want to agree completely with the theory you put forward.
• 59:41
  Speaker 13: You know, this is a rope adope now, except both
• 59:43
  Speaker 13: boxers are ropodoping.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I think I'm writ seeing that, you know, leading into
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: the ropes.
• 59:48
  Speaker 13: The Iridians because that's their natural negotiating position and us
• 59:51
  Speaker 13: because we're like, look, we want about four sixty day periods.
• 59:54
  Speaker 13: It'll be January, and then you know, the president has
• 59:58
  Speaker 13: a full year to impose will on the Iranians, you know,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 13: and then he could decide if he wants to impose
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 13: his will on them and at that and hopefully so
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 13: here's what needs to be going. First of all, we
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 13: need to have a talk with the Europeans and our
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 13: Asian allies and say, you guys appear to have gotten
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 13: neutral on the idea of the country that supported you
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 13: for eighty years, Sin said to World War Two, unquestioned,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 13: with tons of resources to defend you against the Soviet Union,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 13: Russia and China. And you're neutral with the idea of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 13: a country that for forty seven years has been a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 13: terrorist state that's killed one thousand Americans, five hundred NATO warriors,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 13: you know, three or four thousand Israelis, you know, supported
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: terrorist organizations and then killed thirty thousand of its own
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 13: people in thirty six hours. And you've somehow found yourself neutral.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: So knock that off. Start to contribute to this thing.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 13: So I'd use the next six months to remind people exact.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 13: You know we're under crisis. Now you can take off
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: your goggles, think about this and support us. The second
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: thing I would do is get the throne defense right.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 13: Throne defense requires two things. Aircraft with advanced precision co
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 13: weapon system rockets. We have those, and those are great
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 13: for long range defense. If you're firing against Jordan, or
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 13: Western Saudi Arabia or Israel, we can get in behind
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 13: the drones and shoot them all down. That's why drones
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: never gotten to Israel that way. But we also need
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 13: ground based interceptors and there our own systems aren't good.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: The Ukrainian systems are good. Are Saudi?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 13: You're emirate Kuwaiti partners are already starting to deal with
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: the Ukraine. We need to recognize that this is one
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 13: of the cards Ukraine has.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: They're very good at it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: They've been telling us for a year they'd give us
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 13: this technology and work with us on it. We need
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 13: to embrace that, bring it on board and have ground
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 13: based technology. This is for our bases that are closer
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 13: or Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Eastern Saudi Arabia. They have to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 13: have these ground based counter drone interceptors so they can
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 13: catch the short range shots, the sixty mile shots from
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 13: a on.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Then you need to get more patriot out there. More
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: at that.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 13: I know that's going to hurt the inventories, but we're
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 13: building more now. Bring that out. So we're fully up
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 13: around there. We're fine on strike munitions. The carriers are
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 13: rotated the normal thing. No more eleven month FOROD deployments.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 13: I'd pull them at six or eight months. Get the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 13: next carry out there. I know the Eisenhower's working up
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 13: right now on the east coast, so it'll go, you know,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 13: So get those going and replace the destroyers.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Get a rotation going there. You can probably thin the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: destroyers a tiny bit, maybe down to fifteen instead of eighteen.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 13: You can certainly thin down the nfibs down to just
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 13: one argon a time, one Amphibious Readiness group or just
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: a couple of ships from it to help with the boardings.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 13: But that's it, you know, do that. I don't know
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 13: what's going on with submarines, but I keep it low.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 13: You know, we're okay in that realm, and you know,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: be ready to go, and I don't. You got to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 13: rotate the aircraft, the Air Force squadrons that are in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 13: Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Israel, you know, rotate them
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 13: so you get fresh, fresh guys out. But this is
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 13: what we do all the time. This is like, this
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 13: is the peacetime Navy today and andir course.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: So I think we'll be a bit.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: You've studied Iran and the conflict since nineteen seventy nine.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know when you started your navy career, but
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you were studying it from the beginning. When
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: all this jaw jaw goes on between, Oh, we agree
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: to nothing, there are not going to be no inspectors.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: We have defeated the United States, VHDI putting out his
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: talking point, and we lay back, Are we seeding the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: narrative to them? Does it matter to you as a
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: warrior as opposed to a journalist.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 13: So first, this president doesn't do that, I mean almost
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 13: to a fault. He doesn't do it. He's out there
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 13: like spreading a narrative. So to his credit he calls
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 13: BS on BS and I think he's done a good
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 13: job on that. And so that's important because at some
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: point you don't like to hear this constant narrative.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: And I'm not a fan A lot of.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 13: The media ignores the intense damage that's been done to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 13: the ballistic missile production, drone production, ship production, as well
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 13: as their actual capacities in ships, drones, and ballistic missiles.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: The nuclear program is not like two years away.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: It's five years away or seven years away. It's been
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 13: really heavily hit. Scientists have been killed. You know, they
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 13: are in a significantly worse position than they were a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 13: year ago and certainly six months ago.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: So you know, that whole narrative somehow gets missed to you.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 13: And it's frustrating because that was a significant campaign carried
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 13: out by.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: The United States and Israel against Iran.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 13: It's the first time we did it after they killed
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 13: one thousand US troops over forty years.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Very well, said Admiral Mark Montgomery returned United States. Maybe
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: look forward to catching up with you in a couple
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: of weeks. Always informational and educational for the audience. Thank
• 1:04:43
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Mihan is with me now, or mister Mehan, as
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  Speaker 1: he likes to be calling, the cover of his brand
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  Speaker 1: new book, The American Book of Fables, which is really
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  Speaker 1: quite fabulous. I've got two copies of this because they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be in use by my grandchildren all the
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  Speaker 1: summer long.
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  Speaker 6: I am sure.
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Mehan is a Associate Dean and Associate Professor of
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  Speaker 1: Government at the Van Andel School of Government for Hillsdale
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  Speaker 1: College in Washington, d C. And he's just produced a
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  Speaker 1: magnificent book. Matthew, welcome, tell me the origin of the
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  Speaker 1: American Book of Fables before we tell people about it.
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  Speaker 15: I've always wanted to do something big for the two
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  Speaker 15: hundred and fiftieth sort of go big or go home.
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  Speaker 15: And I do think that the fable tradition is a
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  Speaker 15: great way to sort of reintroduce the principles of American independence, liberty,
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  Speaker 15: natural rights, justice for all, and so I wanted to
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  Speaker 15: sort of do this. I've been writing children's books, I've
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  Speaker 15: been a government professor. I used to teach APUs history.
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  Speaker 14: And Civics, and so I just thought that this was
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  Speaker 14: the time.
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  Speaker 15: I think that the A two point fifty is a
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  Speaker 15: great occasion to sort of fight back against a lot
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  Speaker 15: of the ingratitude and the sort of nasty account of
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  Speaker 15: our history. And what better way to do it with
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  Speaker 15: a bunch of beautiful paintings, beautiful stories, poems, primary sources, nursery, rhymes, fables.
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  Speaker 14: Just a perfect occasion.
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  Speaker 1: It is for littles, medals and bigs, and so anyone
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  Speaker 1: of any age can dive into the American Book of
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  Speaker 1: Fables and delight for ours. It's so beautifully illustrated. I'm
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  Speaker 1: putting up a few pictures on the Sale New channel
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  Speaker 1: for those who can't see. I'm wondering how you found
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  Speaker 1: John Foley, your illustrator. Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: John Folly and I actually used to teach together when
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  Speaker 15: we were both young and foolish, and when we started
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  Speaker 15: our families, we didn't like the state of children's books
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  Speaker 15: very much, and we didn't think that we thought it
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  Speaker 15: was bad for the culture for America that we were
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  Speaker 15: all going to old classics only and that the new
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  Speaker 15: ones were kind of not to our liking. They didn't
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  Speaker 15: have the same old American spirit, they didn't have the
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  Speaker 15: same virtues and beauty, and so we decided we were
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  Speaker 15: going to start making our own. So we spent actually
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  Speaker 15: a year writing political cartoons together to get.
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  Speaker 14: My mind, my words into his pen and ink.
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  Speaker 15: And he's a realist impressionist trained in the Eculdibo arts
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  Speaker 15: from Paris, from the Boston School, and actually his master
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  Speaker 15: apprentice line goes all the way back to Rafael's workshop
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  Speaker 15: in Florence. The Rayfael he's an incredible artist.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's an incredible series of illustrations, but also quite
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  Speaker 1: a lot of editing. I want to give people a
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  Speaker 1: sense of the table of contrace. After the introduction. There
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  Speaker 1: are thirteen parts. Mangroves and Everglades, the Great Bays and Appalachia,
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  Speaker 1: New England and New York, great lakes and rivers, the
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  Speaker 1: Great Plains, Purple Mountain, Majesties, Canyons and Mesia, the Great Basin,
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  Speaker 1: many deserts, much hate, the Upper Missouri, the warmth of Yellowstone,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: are West Coast, and many glaciers. Why those divisions? How
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: did you come up with this division scheme?
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  Speaker 15: I wanted to give a sense of the land of
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 15: the country and the settlement of the country. And so
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 15: there's a kind of first we sort of two of
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 15: the thirteen colonies and go with Hugh the Manatee, who
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 15: is the steed character through a series of episodic stories,
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  Speaker 15: and he goes up the East Coast to the Great
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  Speaker 15: Bays and to New England, and each place he goes
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  Speaker 15: he meets more creatures that sort of teach him about America,
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  Speaker 15: but also about human nature and morality and things like that.
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  Speaker 15: But you know, for the two hundred and fiftieth just
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  Speaker 15: talking about the Declaration of Independence and the War for Independence,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 15: the Revolutionary War, that's not enough, Like we also have
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  Speaker 15: a retrospective on the settlement of the whole country. There's
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  Speaker 15: two hundred and fifty years, we had a space race,
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  Speaker 15: a Cold war. There's lots to talk about, and so
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 15: sort of a go west, young Manatee with sort of
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  Speaker 15: a kind of theme, and so we slowly moved our way.
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  Speaker 15: But each of them are keyed to lines or sections
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  Speaker 15: of the Declaration of Independence as well. So for instance,
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  Speaker 15: the Great Plains where the Buffalo Rome, that's where we
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  Speaker 15: take up the unalienable right to liberty. And then you know,
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  Speaker 15: the pursuit of happiness, climbing the mountain of virtue.
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  Speaker 14: That's we go to the front range, when.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 15: We get to King George's abuses that the founding fathers
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  Speaker 15: complained about in the Declaration. When we get to that section,
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  Speaker 15: we go to the desert places where it's hard to
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  Speaker 15: find water and there's no solace.
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  Speaker 14: Right, that's sort of the difficult times.
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  Speaker 15: So I wound up letting the land be a kind
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  Speaker 15: of sounding board for the Declaration, but also to sort
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  Speaker 15: of teach patriotism, not just for the founding but for
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  Speaker 15: the entire history and settlement to the country.
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  Speaker 1: Patriotism and appreciation. I think that's what I would take
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  Speaker 1: away from it, but also the abundance of material with
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  Speaker 1: which you had to work. When we come back from break,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk a little about how, obviously you create a
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  Speaker 1: humanity and his journey, but you did not create a
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  Speaker 1: great deal of the stories and the fables and the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: poems and the sayings and the aphorisms that have grown
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  Speaker 1: up along with the country over two hundred and fifty years.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Matthew Mehin to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the American Book of Fables. It's really I can't quite
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  Speaker 1: communicate to you how beautiful it is and how it's
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: going to become an instant children's classic, is going to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: be in every home that can find one and pick
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: one up and get it to the place where all
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the grandkids and children can enjoy it. Stay tuned, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. If you want to find
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  Speaker 1: the American Book of Fables, you had the Sofia Institute Press,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: and that is at Sofia Institute dot com, Sofia Institute
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  Speaker 1: dot com. I'm sure it's at an Amazon dot com
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  Speaker 1: as well. But Matthew Man, its author, is with me.
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  Speaker 1: I love humanity, but I'm not really this passionate observer.
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  Speaker 1: Could you pick the right first name? I love it
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  Speaker 1: when he ends up in the Great Lakes and he's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: come up through the Great Lakes. But then you kind
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: of Mishmash, Missouri, Mississippi and Great Lakes all together.
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  Speaker 6: What was that choice all about?
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  Speaker 4: You?
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  Speaker 14: Could?
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  Speaker 1: I just spent a chapter in Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: The cutting room floor for this book was actually extremely
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 15: painful because there was so many incredible regions and stories
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 15: to bring forward. I tried to sort of I thought,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 15: what does life that that chapter four is on life,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 15: and I thought, like the great Rivers, the Great Lakes,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 15: the sort of well spring, the incredible soil of the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 15: Mississippi River valley, that whole world of life, and then
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 15: the river sysm and which allowed all that commerce in
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 15: the interior of the country. I sort of start in
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  Speaker 15: that chapter with Boon coming over and sort of opening
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  Speaker 15: the Ohio, but then it's the whole kind of experience
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  Speaker 15: of that region, and so I had to kind of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 15: just ball them up into one giant set of stories.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 15: But that chapter Life has more nursery rhymes, more fables,
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  Speaker 15: and more primary sources witty wise sayings and secondary dialogues
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  Speaker 15: and stories for adults than any other section because the Midwest,
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  Speaker 15: you know, sort of that world is such a big one.
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  Speaker 1: I also, I had never read Mad Tom. I never
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: heard of Mad Tom, And I think that's really quite charming.
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  Speaker 6: How did you collect all these things?
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  Speaker 15: So something old, something new, something red, white and blue.
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  Speaker 15: That that actually that fable is partly it's kind of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 15: based on stories from that area, and it references a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 15: very sad story about an animal that got sort of
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 15: wiped out at that at that location as well, a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 15: very rare kind of catfish. It's disappeared accidentally, And but
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 15: I wrote that one myself. So some of them are
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 15: greatly adapted from Esop. Others are not greatly adapted from Esop.
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  Speaker 15: But all of them are keyed and reworked to local flora,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 15: fauna and history from that era and that or that place.
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  Speaker 3: So that's pretty Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Look, thanks, I'm a kind of I'm a creative guy.
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  Speaker 15: You know, I needed a creative outlet, So this is
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  Speaker 15: a kind of a good way to go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, tell me, how are we marketing the American Book
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  Speaker 1: of Fables? And we have to say the American Book
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  Speaker 1: of Fables seven times if anyone's going to remember the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: American Book of Fables. I am intent on making sure
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  Speaker 1: that as we run up to the two fifty, I
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  Speaker 1: give people a little high, a little low, a little
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  Speaker 1: in the middle, a little for children, a little for adults,
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  Speaker 1: things that matter. At our two hundred and fiftieth, I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: think this is for everyone. You say, show smalls or
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: are littles, middles and bigs?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 6: What where do people get this? Most easily?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Amazon?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 15: Yeah, Amazon, Barnes and Noble Books a million, Walmart online.
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  Speaker 14: Anywhere you buy books you can also get.
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  Speaker 15: At Sophia Sophia Institute Press backslash American.
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  Speaker 14: There's a landing page there.
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  Speaker 15: But uh and you can follow me on Twitter at
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  Speaker 15: mt mean and on Instagram mt me in.
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  Speaker 14: Uh M e h a N. So uh is the
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  Speaker 14: the So it's mt M e h a N. But
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  Speaker 14: I'm going to go on tour.
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  Speaker 15: I'm going to be I've got a display down on
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 15: for the National State Fair on the mall. I'm doing
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 15: a full media blitz for the next two weeks.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 14: You know, everywhere I can thank you, Hugh.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 15: But I'm also going to be headed for a big
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 15: Western tour in late July. I'm going to be in
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 15: Colorado and Utah and all over, and so follow me
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 15: on social media for tour dates. I'm to do an
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 15: event in Yellowstone at Old Faithful and hopefully Glacier National.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 15: But then in the fall I'm going to be in
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 15: Texas and California, New York, Florida and really sort of
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 15: continue to tour the country. Because this book, I mean
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 15: just to give a parting nod to it. It's three
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 15: hundred and ninety five pages. It's a huge heirloom. This
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 15: is a book that has a book like this hasn't
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 15: been written in three hundred years, Like I wanted to
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 15: do something of real literary merit for our country, for
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 15: our two hundred and fifty that can last till somebody
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  Speaker 15: outdes me at our five hundredth That's why I did
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 15: this book.
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  Speaker 14: And it was a great labor.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 15: And I really want thank you, Hugh, for I wanted
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 15: in every American home and I need help.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I thought of Charles and Mary Lamb when they made
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Shakespeare accessible to everyone, and I just can't imagine the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: amount of work that went into it.
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  Speaker 6: Again, it's beautiful, and to you also, thank my wife.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to know when you said I'm
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: going to do this. Did they think you are insane?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Matthew Mehn, Yes, both.
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  Speaker 15: My wife, my children, my publisher, Matt Spaulding. Everyone thought
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 15: it was a little insane. But as I said, right,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 15: go big or go home. That's the American way.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: And how the critics will see this because when you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: say there hadn't been a book like this in three
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: hundred years, I'm going back to the illustrated golden books
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: of my mother and father's era that would be kept
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: around forever. Right, They never left the house and they
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: were beautifully illustrated, but nothing like this and nothing.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: So gorgeously organized. So how long did this take?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 14: The research for it was years.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 15: Drafts and sketch versions of fables have been working on
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 15: for decades, but the last two years have been very intense.
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  Speaker 15: And I took a sabbatical and traveled on an n
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 15: H grant all over the country, was chased by saltwater crocodiles,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 15: kayak manateee.
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  Speaker 14: And went to all over the country to national parks
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 14: to research.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 15: So it's been a great labor and you know, the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 15: critics have so far, I've gotten mostly very favorable reviews.
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  Speaker 14: Some people don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 15: They don't realize it's a family book, and they think
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 15: it's for little kids because it's fables, because they don't
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 15: realize that the fable tradition is actually for the whole family,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 15: not just for little people. But it's being called kind
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 15: of One critic said it's the greatest thing in American
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 15: studies in one hundred and twenty years.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 14: So you know, I've said, how about three hundred? But
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 14: you know, I'm ambitious.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: Can you organize a class around this?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 15: Well, after this year of sales, I do plan to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 15: start doing a lot of teacherly instruction about how to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 15: teach fables, not just my book. I mean, I just
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 15: want to be a salesman. But my book is a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 15: great way into the fable tradition in a way that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 15: teaches witty wise self government. We don't we use it
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 15: as a simple moralia. It just teaches morals simply, but
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 15: it actually is designed to do what Franklin always wanted
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 15: for Americans, witty wise citizens who know how to shift
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 15: for themselves so that they don't become subjects in slaves again.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 14: And that's what the fable tradition does.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 15: And that's what I want to teach everyone to reteach
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 15: the next generation.
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  Speaker 6: That's a fabulous objective.
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  Speaker 1: I think you've moved towards it, mister may And as
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: he says at the top, mister Mayan presents the American
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Book of Fable, the American Book of Fables to you
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: folks over at Amazon dot com or Barnes and Noble.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: It's a splendid, indeed unmatched Fourth of July present to everyone. Matthew,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: thank you, and a happy fourth and a happy two
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Hunred and fiftieth. Enjoy your time to with the Great
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: American Fair on the Mall with American Book of Fable,