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EP 8: Justin Lovvorn | Crafting a Culture of Long-Term Skill Development · The Strength In Numbers Podcast

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At some point you are going to fail and you are going to be
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crushed by the sport that you love.
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So are you as a person going to be crushed by that reality or
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are you able to operate with a joy and reality?
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The ability to take a lot of complexity and boil it down to
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simplicity is the most important thing you can do as a coach.
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The goal is what are the most lowest hanging fruits that are
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applicable across every level and then how do we spend as much
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time as possible on those? Let's just eliminate everything
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that doesn't apply directly to the mission that we have in
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front of us and the things that we're trying to have clarity on.
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Layering yourself with the right information and then the right
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environments, that's going to dictate so much more than just
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like grinding it out. If you're just presenting
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information and concepts and like, hey, this works, do this
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drill with your players, but you're not like actually problem
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solving individuals. It's it's not as impactful.
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Welcome to the Strength in Numbers podcast.
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I'm your host John Bloom and today we have Justin Livorne
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joining us. Justin is the owner of Shooters
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HQA basketball shooting and skills program in Dallas, TX,
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and he was also just hired as the head boys basketball coach
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at Fort Worth Southwest Christian School.
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This is an incredible conversation on all things
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development, crafting great learning environments and
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cultures, cutting the fluff, and creating the best long term
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developmental paths. Enjoy the episode, Justin.
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Man, I've really been looking forward to this conversation and
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I'm pumped you're here. Yes, sorry.
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Thank you for having me. Well, you know, for for people
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that don't know, you can just give a little background of just
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just who you are. Yeah, to give a little intro on
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myself, I played college basketball at a few places.
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I finished at Oral Roberts as a walk on there and was able to
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really learn a lot. And from there I really
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developed a passion for teaching players how to shoot.
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And part of that went back to my journey and, and how I was able
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to develop as a shooter and some of the up and down years that I
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had. But from there, working
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individually with players, we started building out kind of the
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Academy setting of that. So working with multiple players
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that are trying to work on their shot and improve as a scorer and
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a decision maker, that's really been the bread and butter that
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I've worked on with a lot of players.
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From there, we've added teams. So basically it's it's a full
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blown Academy at this point where we're playing in the
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spring, in the summer, and we're really focused more on the
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individual and the group training in the fall and the
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winter. So that shooter's HQ, that's my
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basketball Academy, me, and I'm now a head coach at Fort Worth,
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Southwest Christian. So kind of have both of those
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things on my plate and I'm really excited to keep building
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on both of those. Yeah, now that's awesome.
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And as you talk about taking on that head coaching role rights,
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your first like high school head coaching job, correct?
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Yes, Sir. Yeah.
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So stepping into that, that new role, like what are your, your
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biggest rocks, your like biggest objectives coming in, in the
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initial phase? And, and maybe like, what does
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your vision look like for this first year versus, you know,
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what you want to build into, you know, two, 3-4 years down the
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line? Yeah, I think, you know, for me
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it just comes back to personally staying true to myself.
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I think part of what I'm bringing in is what I've been
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able to do well the past, you know, 3-4, five years and
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developing players and helping offensive improve and and
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shooting improve. And I want to stick to my guns
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on that. So in terms of coming in and
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building a program, a lot of it goes back to the principles that
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I really believe in. What are the ways that we're in,
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what are the ways that we're practicing?
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What are the methodologies and the philosophies that I down to
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work personally? And that's one thing within
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basketball that I think it's tripped up sometimes.
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Everybody thinks they have the golden answer and it's the only
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way that things should be. And in reality, there's a lot of
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ways to win playing basketball and there's a lot a lot of ways
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to do things. So I don't necessarily want to
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come in saying, hey, I know everything, right?
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Especially as a younger coach, I think it's really important to
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understand where you're at and also how much you have to learn.
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So I'm a really big fan just in general of being a lifelong
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learner, especially in the basketball world.
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I think the most dangerous thing you can do as a coach is think
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you have the answers and not be willing to adapt.
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I think adaptability is huge as a player, as a coach, as a
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trainer, and being able to be willing to say, OK, there is a
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better way and constantly doing that.
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But going back to the philosophy side of it, like I'm a huge fan
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of playing fast. And over the past few years,
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I've just been able to lean on the analytics and Start learning
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what does work in high school basketball, what doesn't work?
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Why don't we double down, trouble down on the things that
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clearly result in more wins and better offense and better
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defense and just basically for forget about everything else,
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even even stylistically in terms of what are you working on in
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practice? Cut all the fluff that that's a
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big concept that I believe in. Let's just eliminate everything
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that doesn't apply directly to the mission that we have in
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front of us and the things that we're trying to have clarity on
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so that that kind of boils everything down into that.
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Yeah, that's great. And as you talk about being a
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lifelong learner and, and, and you know, you've worked with
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obviously tons of high school athletes, you've worked as
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assistants at high school programs.
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But being in this head coaching role, being the one making the
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decisions, what do you think the biggest things you're going to
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have to learn from actually be in that position are?
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Yeah. You know, in terms of running a
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program from the the AAU, the club side of it, I think the
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most important thing is understanding each person as an
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individual. And that's something that I'm
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looking forward to improving on and something that I know I need
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to continue to get better AT. And it's it's not thinking, hey,
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this has to be perfect across the board.
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You have to meet this standard. Realistically, I think a lot of
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the times it comes down to, you know, what are your parents
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like, what's your background? What do you feel like you're
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good at? What do you feel like you're bad
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at? How do you need to be coached?
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How do you not need to be coached and being able to handle
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that on a case by case basis instead of just throwing a
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blanket over everything. So for me, I trying to carry
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that over in terms of not how do we keep everybody happy all the
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time, but how do we meet everybody where they're at and
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try to move forward from there as we build a program.
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And, you know, as he talked about the AAU and your business,
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they're like, I feel like that some of the skills of like
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actually selling to parent, like you're selling a service to
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parents helps you with now, OK, you know, sometimes coaches
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complain like of dealing with parents with, you know, playing
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time or all these things like you kind of have had to dealt
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with that in a different in a different way.
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But now I I feel like that skill of transfers overwhelmed to the
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setting you're going to be in now.
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For sure. Yeah.
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And you know, I think it's always interesting to hear like,
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well, you know, kids are different now.
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Back in my day, we never got away with this.
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We never did this. I think there's like this
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magical, like the whatever the opposite of the Peter Pan
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concept, it like all of a sudden we get out of being a player and
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we think that we always dove on loose balls or that we always
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touched every line. And realistically that wasn't
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the case. And you know, I feel like
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there's just as many great kids now as there were before.
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I'm sure there's just as many bad kids as there were before.
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And I think if if you're pointing fingers at your
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culture, you are the culture, What culture are you building
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and what are you allowing? What's the accountability level
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if you're always looking externally like everything is
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how it is nowadays? I think there's so much room for
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opportunity if you do think that to separate your guys even more
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and be different, if that's what you believe.
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But, but personally, I think there's so many great kids out
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there. There's great families and
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everybody's just constantly searching.
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That's what I think I've realized, at least from a, a
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business or or club standpoint, is a lot of parents don't know
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the answers. A lot of kids don't know the
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answers. They're relying on somebody.
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So can you be a voice that they're relying on that is
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speaking truth, but also helping point them in the right
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direction and and not be a snake oil salesman and be able to say,
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hey, this is where you're at. This is where you need to get
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to. But also like what do you want
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out of this? I think so much of it goes back
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to everybody's chasing something.
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At what point are you going to actually enjoy the game of
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basketball? I think that's really important.
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Yeah, no, that was that was really, really good.
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You know, at the beginning you talked about your your path a
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little bit in college when you stop playing, what led you to
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chase starting shooters HQ and, you know, run your own thing
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versus maybe a more traditional route of OK, I'm going to state
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or you and GA and work my way up or, you know, get on that path.
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Yeah, I think for me, part of it does go back to what I think a
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lot of basketball players experience in college, which,
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you know, it's the reality of what it is.
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It's not necessarily a negative. You are relying on other people
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to determine your value. And I think as a player that
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that is basketball, right? I have to prove myself to
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somebody that's making a decision on how much am I going
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to be able to do something. And I've just seen as a whole,
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not at any school in particular, how you really have to climb a
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ladder to be in the coaching world, especially at the college
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level. And so much of that goes back to
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relationships, but it also goes back to what do people think of
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you? What do people want to let you
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do? And as a entrepreneurial side,
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you get to decide that. You decide everything.
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If you fail, it's on you. If anything goes wrong, it's
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your fault. You can't point fingers at
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anybody else because you're building something yourself.
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And I think that was a refreshing time to be able to do
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that instead of being within a system of be here, do this.
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Make sure that you're meeting this standard.
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Now. It's can I drive myself to be
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successful and can I build something without anybody making
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me or telling me? You're saying, hey, right now
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you're here, you're not at this level or hey, we got to get you
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here. You're able to kind of form your
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own worlds. And that's what I've really
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enjoyed about it is, you know, the community that we have
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within the shooters HQ that I have, there's there's players
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that I didn't even know were friends and they have a group
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chat or, or, you know, they go hang out outside of it.
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And I don't even know that's occurring, but it's, it's a
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testament to what community are you building for these players
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to have? What is this world that you're
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able to keep growing? And that's on me.
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And it, it doesn't go back to anybody else, which I really
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enjoy. And I think that that's one of
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the hardest things as a player is being able to trust people
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that are determining so much for you and then getting out of
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that. It's really nice.
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Yeah, no, I, I definitely feel that.
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I mean, as strength coaches we talked about in college, like,
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like, you know, you could have a great strength coach, but you
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know, maybe the staff's not great or they just don't recruit
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players And like, you could do a great job, you're going to lose,
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or you could be a really bad strength coach, but have a great
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staff and a great recruiting coordinator and you're going to
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win. But, but for me too, it's like
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starting, starting a business, like everything, all of my
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outputs are now fully determined by my inputs.
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And, and like you're saying, like we, we have full ownership
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of that. So it's on us, which I think
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there's a lot of, obviously there's a lot of responsibility
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with that, but I think it brings a lot of purpose and and passion
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and what you're doing and. It's been cool to see, you know,
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I've, I've kind of determined for myself that I'm not
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necessarily chasing a certain benchmark within this as an
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entrepreneur. And I think one of the most
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tempting things, a piece of advice that I have received that
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I would also say to people in the training world is like, stop
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trying to go get the best client that you can, quote UN quote, in
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terms of like this guy plays here or this is what this guy
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has accomplished. I want to work with him.
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If you're constantly doing that, then you're missing out on such
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a core bulk of players that need you.
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And it if you're really in it for, you know, sustainability
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and you're also really in it for making an impact, then that's
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not always going to be the top 1%.
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And, and for me, I found a lot of joy in helping players that
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yes, there might be some that are up there, but there might be
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some that are in the bottom 10% or which is what?
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And the other 80 percent, 90% of basketball players is, is you're
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a good basketball player, but maybe you're not an amazing
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basketball player that's going to get their livelihood paid for
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it. How do we form that experience
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for you? What can we do to make that
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really special for you? And that's what I've really,
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really enjoyed over the past three to four years.
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Yeah. And I love that mindset for
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sure. And now when you talked about
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your back until you talked about how you kind of had some up and
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down years within college and with your own shooting.
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And I remember in the the bonus questions you did for for the
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book, you talked about how that kind of led you to kind of go on
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this own journey of trying to discover, yeah, how to develop
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great shooters and, and how to develop yourself as a shooter.
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Could you maybe talk about that, that journey of like what
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happened and the rabbit hole you went down to really learn about
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shooting, how to how to now apply that to the people you
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work with? Yeah, definitely.
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I think it's really interesting. A lot of the, you know, not not
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myths, but a lot of the misconceptions with shooting
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development or just development in general is like, well, if I
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never struggled with it, if I was always a great shooter or if
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I was always a strong person or always an athletic person.
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Sometimes that can be a deficiency in your ability to
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teach something because you didn't have to figure out what
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it takes to be actually developed in that aspect because
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naturally you're already good at it.
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And sometimes you see that with shooting and it's like, oh, you
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know, everybody's form is different.
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You know, there's nothing to really do.
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You just have to naturally be good at it.
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You can't really change stuff. You just have to work in
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reality. Like that's not the case.
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And if you're saying that, then a maybe you've just naturally
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stumbled on the ability to do it and you can't really grasp
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somebody else not being able to do it the same way.
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Or you've just never really gotten into it enough to
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realize, hey, you can really help somebody become a better
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shooter if you're focused on the right principles and if you're
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actually taking a strategic approach to it.
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So for me, I fell into that category of like, I'll shoot you
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don't, you don't mess with somebody shot.
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They just shoot how they shoot. And that worked until it didn't.
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And for me having a year where, you know, I, I shot 5055% in, in
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my senior year of high school from 3:00.
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And I was like, oh, I'm going to go.
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And then the speed changes and then the length changes and the,
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the style of play changes and you get to college and then
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poof, it's like what happened to me.
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And I ended up shooting like 2025%.
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And for me, it, it, it was a time where it's like I can keep
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believing that I have it figured out and I could just hope that I
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make shots or I can be more honest with myself and think, is
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there something that I'm not? Is there a box I'm not checking?
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Is there something that I can do to ensure that I have more
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consistency with this? Because in reality, especially
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in the shooting world, if if you ask a kid or you ask a player,
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hey, you know, what do you struggle with the most?
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The first answer you always get is consistency because anybody
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can go out and shoot well one day.
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Anybody can go 8 for 10 in a singular game.
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But everybody has bad days except for a small few.
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And the goal for me is to close that window with players.
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So for me that was a struggle. And it was like, OK, I know that
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I can shoot well, but I know that it's not happening all the
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time right now. So what are the issues here?
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And I, I really think, and I think that goes back to God's
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plan in your life. I stumbled upon some of the
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information initially and some of it was just trial and error
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where I was like, OK, this is clearly working for me.
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And a lot of it went back to like how my hips were acting or,
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or what I was doing with my lower half and also what I was
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doing with my wrist and my hands.
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And I was like, OK, I'm on the right track here.
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I need to figure out more of what I'm doing right now and see
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if there's some themes to this or see if there's actually some
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weight to the concepts that I'm focusing on now.
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And from there, I was really able to stumble on some
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different learning styles and some different ways to work on
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things as opposed to just shoot on the gun all the time.
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And from there, I really deep dive into the mechanics.
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And that's where I learned so much from.
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From Mike Dunn, who's up in the Northeast, and then also from
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Drew Hanlon, Steve d'agostino. The thing that I love now is
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like if, if you're, if you have Internet, you can almost figure
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anything out. And for me, that was a key,
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especially with with Mike Dunn. And he's amazing because he's
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accessible, right? And he's very willing to help
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people out. And for me coming into a
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relationship of, hey, I really want to learn not just for
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myself, but I want to learn everything.
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That was huge because I was able to look at it a little more
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holistically, not just for the problems that I have shooting
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the basketball, but now, OK, I believe that you can help people
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and you can be more specific on what you're teaching within
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shooting. Now let me learn everything I
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can about it. And then from there, the number
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one thing, and I'm sure you would agree in terms of strength
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and conditioning or any other aspect, is if you work with
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individuals, you Start learning so much quicker because you have
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to deal with their problems and problem solve on a case by case
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basis instead of just learning concepts.
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I think that's one thing when you look at Instagram, if you
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look at social media and it's like, Hey, I teach this or I'm
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an expert on this. If you're just presenting
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information and concepts and like, Hey, this works.
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Do this drill with your players, but you're not like actually
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problem solving individuals. It's it, it's not as impactful.
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If you can say, Hey, I got this player to do this better.
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Now you know that what you're teaching works instead of just
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saying here's a theory. I think I'm correct on this.
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So that for me, over the past 3-4 years, it's just constant
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reps of like, hey, I see this problem with the player now this
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is the same problem that another players have.
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Here's the drill that we've done with him.
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And the window of time for improvement has gotten shorter.
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And some of the concepts when we talk about cutting the fluff
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have been removed where now, you know, if your ball pass
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struggles, I know it's this, this or this.
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We're immediately going to this. So I'd like to think it's gotten
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to a point where I've seen everything, but you'll stumble
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across a player that's doing something that you've never seen
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before at some point. So that's kind of been the
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development of my ability to teach shooting.
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So I'm really fortunate in some ways to have kind of just found
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the right information, but then from there, being able to build
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on that has been really impactful.
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Yeah, no, that's awesome. And you've mentioned it a couple
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of times about cutting the fluff.
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And in those those bonus questions we mentioned, you had
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this quote where you're like, if an NBA GM was watching you do
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the workout, what would you put the players through, right.
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You cut the fluff and every possible drill or activity
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involved, you'd go straight to the most important things that
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create the highest dividend and return in on investment
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possible. Just do that all the time and I
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I love that quote. And that's Mike Dunn.
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I I got that from him. I thought that was amazing.
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So, so thinking about that is the, if we think about it with
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skill development or, you know, team development, what, what are
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the things that we are cutting? And then and then with that same
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concept, do you that, do you try and apply that to your life also
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like beyond just basketball or or working with kids and skill
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development? Yeah, to answer that part first,
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my wife would say you need to figure out how to add more
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fluff. Because I think for me it's, it
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aligns with my personality trait of like if there's something
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that I know that's important and I need to work on it, like I'm
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excellent at that, right? And then the other areas I need
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to do the dishes more, right? I need to, there's things that,
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yeah, I believe in that so much that there's other areas that I
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could probably do better in. But for me, that's a concept
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that I'm always trying to improve on as a life skill,
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right? But in terms of the development
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side and the training side, I, I would like to think that at some
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point players will come in the gym and say, man, we keep doing
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the same drills over and over again because they're so
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important. And I think one thing that you
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can be really guilty of, especially early on as a
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development person, is throwing so much stuff and hoping that it
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sticks. And also thinking that
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complexity equals progress, right?
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And in reality, the ability to take a lot of complexity and
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boil it down to simplicity is the most important thing you can
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do as a coach. If you even look at NBA offenses
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right, a lot of it isn't what you see on Twitter.
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It's not down screen, cross screen, pass, cut, boom, boom,
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boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Because in reality, these guys
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are so good that they need to be able to do certain things
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really, really well. And a lot of that is pick and
19:12
roll. A lot of it's basic reads or
19:14
even isolation stuff. But if you extrapolate that and
19:17
say, OK, the best players in the world are doing simple concepts
19:20
extremely well at an elite level, how can we take that
19:24
down? Because I think we look at the
19:26
highest hanging fruit a lot of the times and say, OK, how do I
19:28
try to make that attainable for the guys that I'm working with?
19:31
And in reality, it's not, hey, let's work on the most basic
19:36
fundamentals. That's not the goal.
19:37
To me. The goal is what are the most
19:39
lowest hanging fruits that are applicable across every level?
19:43
And then how do we spend as much time as possible on those?
19:46
Because there's no way that you can actually reach a point that
19:49
you're too good at any of those. So for me, within basketball,
19:52
that's the ability to make open shots.
19:54
That's the ability to make good decisions when you drive the
19:56
basketball. And one thing that I obviously
19:59
would have helped me that I've been enlightened on is the
20:01
ability to be physical on defense.
20:03
And that goes back to the weight room, but it also goes back to
20:06
just learning and being able to apply.
20:09
I think, you know, when we talk about isolation moves or we talk
20:13
about finishing options or even in the weight room, I'm sure you
20:17
could attest that there's there's stuff that you could do
20:20
that's nuanced. That can be a cool concept to
20:23
add in. But is that really going to
20:26
result in the bulk of what we're looking for?
20:28
If a kid needs to gain 20 lbs or lose 20 lbs or jump 5 inches
20:32
higher, I think it can be very enticing to try to be wide with
20:38
what you're great at as opposed just to, to deep with what
20:41
you're great at. So that's where I've really
20:42
landed on stuff. And you know, I'm still
20:44
constantly finding out if that's true all the time.
20:47
And obviously there's areas where it's not, but I I have
20:50
been able to see progress and see that it works in certain
20:53
areas where again, I want to double down on that when I see
20:56
progress. Yeah.
20:58
No, that's, I think those are great points.
20:59
And like you mentioned, decision making, and I know that's a big
21:03
part of the development you do rather than, you know, just on
21:06
air just doing the same things over and over for, you know,
21:09
kids that are maybe not able to work with Someone Like You.
21:12
And then like they're just going and shooting on their own or
21:14
like for me, like I shoot before or after I lift.
21:16
Like if you don't have other bodies there and, and actual
21:19
people would have reads and, and and decisions and small sided
21:22
games. Like, how do we still develop in
21:25
a way that those skills can show up in the game and it's valuable
21:29
rather than just wasting that time?
21:31
Yeah, I think, and it goes back to this idea of maybe it's
21:34
stumbling on the right information, right?
21:35
But if you can have an idea of what is translatable to winning
21:41
basketball, there's so much on the Internet that you can then
21:45
go to, right? I think if you can start to see
21:48
the way that good basketball occurs in a lot of it's being
21:50
able to get a paint touch and being able to play off 2 feet
21:54
and make simple plays for other people, straight line drives,
21:57
moving and then establishing yourself.
21:59
A lot of it comes back to footwork.
22:01
But to me, it can also come back to this idea of what everybody
22:06
would do in the 90s and the 2000s, which is I'm going to go
22:08
watch Kobe, I'm going to go watch AI, and then I'm going to
22:11
go to the gym and try to do what I just saw on the mixtape.
22:14
You can do the exact same thing with YouTube now.
22:17
All you have to do is look up, you know, look up the teams that
22:20
have won national championships in college and then just watch
22:23
and see what Cooper flag is doing or see what Villanova does
22:27
when they're driving the ball. If you can just go pick out what
22:31
looks like it causes winning, Take those clips and go work on
22:35
that, right? Jalen Brunson is an excellent
22:37
example. If you just watch what he does,
22:39
it could be how he uses his offhand, it could be what he
22:42
does when he finishes his drives.
22:43
Just go do that on your own and you'll start putting yourself on
22:47
a path of the right direction. So I think in terms of
22:49
individual improvement or, or doing stuff on air, it's so
22:53
important that you're not wasting time because one, one
22:55
thing that I really believe in and I've, I've heard other
22:58
trainers try to kind of sell it the other way.
23:00
If I can expose you to a lot of different concepts, you'll pick
23:03
up on the stuff that works and you know, you'll, you'll leave
23:06
behind the stuff that isn't working.
23:08
I completely I really disagree with that.
23:10
If you work on three dribble pull ups, you're going to try to
23:14
use three dribble pull ups. If you're constantly forming
23:17
habits of those play style that you have in the way that you do
23:20
things, that's going to be what you try to carry over with
23:23
recency bias to a game. So for me, when we talk about
23:26
decision making and what you're working on it, it definitely
23:29
goes back to what are the habits that you're forming and that can
23:33
be on air. What are the ideas in your brain
23:35
that you're trying to do even when you are visualizing
23:38
defenders or whatever? Because if it is like I'm going
23:41
to make a move and then shoot in reality, you have to understand
23:45
that there's probably somebody standing right there, right?
23:47
So are you able to just think in game context and then be real
23:51
with yourself? Is this something that I should
23:53
actually work on? Because it's, it's not that we
23:56
want to be great at everything. And part of that goes back to
23:59
realizing who you are. If you're not a 6-8 jump out the
24:03
gym guy, you're probably going to be able to do two or three
24:07
things at a certain level. So why would you spend time not
24:11
getting great at those things first and then if you have time,
24:14
go do the other stuff? Yeah, yeah.
24:16
It always kill me in pregame warmups watching some, some, you
24:20
know, big men doing step back threes and and doing all that
24:24
for 40 minutes before the game when all they needed to do is a
24:28
rim run and rebound the ball and play defense.
24:31
And that's, that's another conversation, Yeah.
24:35
And that's not to limit the creativity or the ability to
24:38
work on whatever you want to work on.
24:39
It's just knowing, even if it's at the minimum, acknowledging,
24:43
hey, I'm doing this supplementally, like this isn't
24:46
what I plan to do all the time, but I'm going to work on it.
24:49
To me, that makes a big difference because you're able
24:52
to approach it from a mental standpoint of I don't have to
24:55
use this. And I think when we when when
24:58
dad pays for me to go to a lesson and then I work on
25:01
something now that expects me to do the exact same thing in the
25:04
game, I expect to do it. And now we're all disappointed
25:07
when I don't use it. When in reality, that's just
25:09
something that you should maybe use sometimes.
25:11
And it's OK to work on that stuff, but don't expect that
25:14
that's going to translate. And that's what I see so much,
25:17
is a frustration of players of why is what I'm working on not
25:21
translating to a game because it shouldn't, right?
25:25
Yeah, no, that's like one, one thought I've had like I don't
25:28
know if you've heard like like Google and some of these other
25:30
companies for their employees have like 20% time where it's
25:33
like the employees get 20% autonomy time to work on
25:36
whatever they want and just explore whatever project.
25:39
And then the 80% is right for the business, whatever they need
25:42
to do. And I thought about that idea of
25:44
like, OK, what if in like skilled development, it's like
25:47
80% is OK, we're working on stride sauce.
25:49
We're working on these things that apply into how we play.
25:52
And then and especially in like the summer or the offseason, OK,
25:55
20%, like what do you wanna work on?
25:58
And we're gonna do that and you're gonna get explore that.
26:00
But still, the 80% is how we play.
26:02
And then maybe once we get further and further into the
26:05
season, it's like, OK, we need to direct this more and more to
26:09
your role in the team, how we need to play, but having those
26:12
periods where we give them that autonomy.
26:14
But understand it's not 100%, it's not whatever you want to
26:16
work on it. You know we can do what we need
26:19
to do, but then give you a little bit of what you want to.
26:21
Yeah, I, I think that's so important.
26:23
And I think being real with players about acknowledging,
26:27
hey, this is probably what is the most important, but we don't
26:30
want to burn you out and we want to allow you to feel like you're
26:33
expanding. I think it's just so important
26:35
to have those conversations to create clarity and and kind of
26:38
focus back on the reality while still providing an environment
26:42
where they can expand and explore.
26:45
Yeah, yeah. Now if from a from a, you know,
26:49
10,000 foot view looking at development rather than more so
26:53
specific to sessions or anything, right.
26:56
If you could take a young kid like let's say like elementary
26:59
age kid, and you had like total control from when they're that
27:02
age to all the way through high school, what would that path of
27:06
development look like to make them long term the best
27:10
basketball player? Yeah.
27:11
I think that's such an interesting question because if
27:13
you said third grade and then you said 7th grade, I look at it
27:18
completely different. And the way that I've changed my
27:21
mindset on it is at first you would think, yes, let's work on
27:27
the fundamentals. Let's build, build, build,
27:28
build, build, and then let's start expanding.
27:31
But let's focus on, you know, what are the things that are
27:33
important for you? And for me, that's that's
27:36
completely shifted where if I had to draw it out from 4th
27:39
grade to college, I think I would actually throw the book at
27:43
a player from 4th to 6th, maybe 7th and really not even worry
27:48
about, hey, you need to play the game the right way.
27:51
Just get as good at all the coolest, this craziest stuff you
27:55
could, all the crossovers, all the isolation moves.
27:58
Expose yourself as much as possible to all this stuff and
28:02
learn how to move, learn how to play.
28:05
And then as you get into middle school, how do you play good
28:08
basketball? Because before that age with the
28:10
reality of what the games look like, I, I, I also think it's
28:13
hilarious when, when parents think their kids are amazing in,
28:16
in fifth grade because you're either twice as big as everybody
28:19
else or you're more athletic and nobody else knows what to do to
28:23
stop you. So at that age, it is just like
28:25
pure skill. Get as good as you can at all
28:27
this different stuff in middle school.
28:29
To me, it's, hey, can we teach you how to make the right plays
28:32
and the right passes all the time to take that skill that you
28:35
have and build on it and master certain concepts.
28:38
And then in high school, I think it really comes down to where
28:41
are you at, right? Are you looking to play in
28:43
college? If so, how do we continue to
28:46
push you into the role that you would play at that level?
28:49
If not, how do we expand you into the best player that you
28:52
can possibly be for a varsity level and and widen that impact?
28:56
If you're a college player that's looking at the NBA,
28:58
that's one thing where, you know, for me, I think it's kind
29:02
of astounding how it's kind of a new wave, right, where Biggs get
29:07
taught guard skills. I'm on board with that.
29:09
But let's say I have a kid, right, and he's 6-8, I think he
29:14
can play in the NBA. Why would I roll the dice on
29:18
trying to make him a generational player when I could
29:22
almost guarantee that he can get paid $30 million by being a
29:26
three and D guy? So to me, like if if you're
29:28
looking at an elite player and you're developing that player
29:30
from the ground up that has great size, make them the best
29:33
shooter you can and make sure they know how to play good
29:36
basketball and they're probably going to get paid so much money.
29:39
But what I see more recently with the elite side is like
29:42
everybody's trying to become the best well-rounded player they
29:45
can be that they end up being mediocre at everything.
29:50
And now how are you going to stand out if you're not actually
29:53
turning into that generational player, which to me, most of the
29:55
time that's going to happen anyway if you're really that
29:58
good at basketball. So let's guarantee that the
30:01
lowest hanging fruits, you can get paid a lot of money.
30:05
That's how I would look at it for the elite side.
30:07
Yeah, that's. Really.
30:08
Yeah, no, that's cool. Thinking about that kind of
30:12
position, less basketball and skills.
30:14
When you think about shifting down to that young age, do you
30:17
feel like, I guess maybe when's the point when there should be
30:20
more to find positions or people fit into more roles?
30:24
Because obviously there's there's you know, the stories of
30:26
the big kid when he's young, like they just get thrown in the
30:28
post and they don't learn any skills versus maybe when they
30:31
are young going through middle school, it's like everybody's
30:33
going to do everything. So you can develop these skills
30:35
no matter what size you are now. Because like you're saying, some
30:38
kids are going to go faster and more developed earlier or later.
30:41
What's your thought on that? As a coach or a development
30:44
person, I think it goes back to a direct conflict between
30:47
winning and development. And for me, like I, I don't
30:49
think you're, you want to define roles until like 10th grade when
30:53
you're transitioning from that JV to varsity level.
30:57
At that point, yes, OK, we got to figure out what is, what is
31:00
my high school coach want me to do?
31:01
But before that, like I'm willing to lose a game and let
31:05
the tallest kid on my team shoot 10 threes because in reality,
31:09
I'm holding them back. If I'm saying, hey, you can win
31:12
a 8th grade championship by going down by the rim the whole
31:15
time, sure, great, good for you. But in two years, are we going
31:19
to hit a wall because of this? So I would I would say
31:21
transitioning into that varsity level of basketball is when I
31:24
would really start considering roles.
31:27
And before that, it really comes down to the coach and the
31:29
ability to go through the growing pains with players.
31:31
Because you can define roles in fifth grade and say, hey, go
31:34
score 30 and you'll stand in the corner.
31:36
But in reality, how how much are we helping everybody?
31:39
So yeah. No, that's really good.
31:40
As as we think about development and you know, maybe thinking
31:44
more in Shears HQ right here and you've got a group and you've
31:47
got different skill levels, different ability levels, right?
31:51
How are you scaling that development that you're teaching
31:54
for those different individuals and different abilities within a
31:57
group? Yeah.
31:58
I think, you know, based on our group sizes, what we've been
32:01
able to do that's beneficial along with having we've had
32:04
three to four coaches there, which has been really beneficial
32:07
for the ratio. It's actually been beneficial, I
32:09
think to have those larger small groups because we get that
32:13
larger range of players where we're putting the smaller or
32:17
the, the guys who are a little less skilled together.
32:20
We do a lot of partner stuff. And then we're also grouping the
32:23
the guys that are a little bit higher level or varsity or
32:26
college level. And that way they're able to
32:28
have game like competition within the sessions that is more
32:31
catered to them. But also in terms of the
32:34
shooting development, one thing that I I feel like I've gotten
32:37
decent at over the last couple years is grouping based on
32:41
needs. So generally when we talk about
32:43
mechanical concepts, if three people have ball path issues,
32:47
they might not be the same ball path issues, but we can target
32:50
some drill those to those concepts where they're going to
32:53
spend 10 minutes together and this group is going to spend 10
32:56
minutes together working on something completely different.
32:58
If if it has to do with sequencing or how they're using
33:01
their legs. So usually even within a group
33:03
of any amount of players or, or, or different skill levels, you
33:07
can find commonalities within what they need to work on
33:10
conceptually, especially with the mechanics.
33:13
But worst case scenario, right, there's concepts that apply
33:16
across the board to everybody where hey, we can't really find
33:20
groupings or commonalities within these players.
33:22
We do know what all these guys need.
33:24
And then that's the worst case scenario was we're still
33:27
checking off boxes that are beneficial to everyone.
33:30
But but I've tried to cater individually as much as possible
33:34
by by finding what aligns with individual players.
33:37
Yeah. OK.
33:38
Shifting gears a little bit from your perspective as, as both
33:41
when you were a basketball player and then now as a coach,
33:45
how, how can strength coaches best train basketball players to
33:51
become better basketball players and, and, and have that physical
33:55
development piece that actually enhances skill for them?
33:57
Yeah, You know, this might be an entirely uneducated opinion, but
34:02
the the largest thing that I see, the biggest issue that I
34:05
see with players is they reach a level where their physicality
34:10
does not meet the standard of the level that they're playing.
34:13
And if you look at Alex Caruso, for instance, like he, he's just
34:16
doing an unbelievable job in these playoffs of guarding
34:19
whoever he needs to guard and taking care of whatever matchup
34:22
he does. But he is such a handsy,
34:24
physical defender. I think if you can prepare your
34:26
body for that, that's everything.
34:28
And I see a lot of weaker players, right?
34:32
Again, this goes back to my experience of like, if, if
34:35
you're a great shooter, but you're skinny and you can't
34:38
physically contain a player, get out of the gym.
34:42
Don't, don't shoot for like 6 months and just lift and lift
34:45
and lift and try to, to bring that weakness up because that
34:50
can be extremely detrimental. So for me, like I've almost
34:54
branched away from recommending that guys do basketball like
34:58
workouts because you just need to get bigger.
35:00
Almost everybody that plays basketball needs to get bigger.
35:03
And, and to me that that's everything.
35:05
Unless you already have that frame on you, then I think
35:08
you've earned the right and you have the reward.
35:11
Now to branch into more specialized ideas or or OK, how
35:16
do I work on my movement laterally that that transfers
35:19
directly to play? But like, why?
35:21
Why would I tell a kid to do that if if he's getting pushed
35:25
around? To me, that's the biggest thing
35:27
that I see lacking. That's a cool perspective to
35:29
hear thinking about offseason and and then high school scene
35:33
with AAU and, and, you know, club teams.
35:36
What are your, what are your thoughts on the positives of, of
35:40
AAU? And, and obviously like,
35:43
hopefully like the way you know, I know you're running teams, so
35:45
you're probably trying to do at a really high level there.
35:47
But also what do you think are the downsides of it?
35:50
And, and maybe what do you see as like the future of
35:52
development? I know you've been part of
35:54
running three on three leagues and, and kind of where that fits
35:57
in and, and maybe where you see development going or where you
35:59
you hope development goes. Yeah, You know, I, I, I think
36:03
it's so interesting how these circuits have developed,
36:05
especially on the basketball side lately.
36:07
It's, it's, it's continuing. I don't think it'll necessarily
36:10
change to to kind of be the Wild West every year here.
36:13
It's different. There's a lot of different
36:15
options. So but you do have the ones at
36:16
the top and then from there you have a a large selection of
36:19
options. I think one of the most
36:21
important things to do is embrace AAU for what it is.
36:24
And I think one thing that can be really tempting is to compare
36:27
it to something else and be like, well, it's nothing like
36:29
high school basketball because it, well, of course it's not
36:32
right. It's a completely different
36:34
system that's being set up because everyone is looking out
36:37
for themselves. I said this on a a different
36:39
podcast, but why would we pretend like we're in this for
36:44
the group, right? You're coming here in the
36:47
spring, in the summer and in your offseason to get exposure
36:50
for yourself, get better for yourself and find a fit that
36:54
works for you. So at no point are you going to
36:56
run across an AAU program where players are willingly
37:00
sacrificing their own benefit for the group because that's not
37:04
what you're paying for. That's not what you're in it
37:06
for. So it starts with recognizing
37:08
the landscape as it is and saying, OK, how do we take this
37:11
product that's not going to change and how do we turn it
37:15
into the best possible thing it can be?
37:18
And a lot of that goes back to getting guys that are willing to
37:20
move the ball. That's obviously one of the the
37:22
big things that people think of with AAU is it's just a bunch of
37:25
isolation. And that's very true because it
37:28
is. So how do you form enough of a
37:30
culture where guys are on the same page to take the right
37:33
shots? And part of that goes back to
37:35
one thing that we've done as a program to hopefully make it
37:37
more fun and also to help these guys improve, which is playing
37:40
as fast as possible because we're trying to play more
37:43
minutes, right? Or at least give the maximum
37:46
amount of these players optimal minutes.
37:49
Also the highest points per game possible and also the most reps
37:52
possible. And if we can double the
37:55
possessions in a game in order to do that.
37:57
So everybody's getting better and improving, I think that's a
37:59
big thing. So again, I keep saying this
38:02
double down concept, AAU is innately selfish.
38:05
It's innately a fast-paced physical game.
38:07
Let's work around that instead of criticizing those aspects as
38:11
something that that we should look down on.
38:13
But I do think, you know, when you talk about three on three
38:15
and you talk about these other aspects and offseason
38:17
development, I think taking a you for what it is and then
38:21
layering around it is really important.
38:23
I don't think you need to try to substitute the product as is and
38:27
say, hey, this is trash. Let's do something better
38:29
because you can't get that amount of people to buy into
38:32
something completely new when these systems and so much money
38:36
is pouring into the landscape as it is.
38:38
So for us, this three on three league, right, it's a great
38:41
change of pace because no coaches yelling at you, no
38:44
parents yelling at you, You're just out there competing.
38:46
You're getting a ton of touches, you're moving the ball, you're
38:49
constantly playing. It's almost the opposite of what
38:51
you might get on a given weekend in AAU.
38:53
And I think that's important to have that contrast, especially
38:56
when you look at, you know, the research for ecological dynamics
39:00
and CLA and all this stuff where it's like, Hey, you're learning
39:02
environments are going to dictate a lot of your
39:04
improvement level. If you're constantly being put
39:07
in the same environment, you're probably not going to improve at
39:10
A at a rapid pace. So if we can just provide by
39:13
these different environments for players to have to adapt and
39:17
work on different things, right, Your high school programs going
39:19
to operate differently than your AAU program and the three on
39:23
three league. And when you go play pick up,
39:25
like if you can just go to the park right now, you have all
39:28
these different ways you have to interact with other players
39:30
because that's what basketball is, right?
39:32
It's not baseball, it's not football.
39:33
You're not going out there and throwing a pitch or guarding a
39:37
receipt or or sorry, but you know, playing safety where you
39:40
have a job that you need to do. You have to be able to problem
39:44
solve with these other people on the floor.
39:46
So having a bunch of different environments that you're doing
39:49
that in, I think that can be really, really beneficial.
39:52
That's, you know, that's really cool.
39:53
I've never thought about it like that, but you know, I think it's
39:55
a great point of like what what is the purpose of each one of
39:58
these rules? And and instead of just this is
40:01
what basketball should be and it's not it's bad, right?
40:05
Like, OK, this is how we're help.
40:06
This is what we're using to help the individuals and this aspect
40:08
in this aspect and then hopefully put it all together to
40:12
work together, make the best. Basketball player that we can't.
40:15
That goes back to that's my opinion on it.
40:18
If I was to say this is correct, there's somebody that disagrees
40:21
with me. So now is everything he's doing
40:23
for these kids wrong? No, that.
40:25
But I think it's important to acknowledge, like, there's so
40:28
many different ways to do things, so why can't we just
40:32
accept all these different ways and try to make them as good as
40:34
they can be? Yeah, that's awesome.
40:36
Well, cool. So I like to end the podcast
40:38
with with these three questions. And the first one for you is,
40:43
and you know, we may have, we kind of touched on this a little
40:45
bit with the shooting journey, but when you realize you need to
40:48
improve a skill set, like how do you close that gap?
40:51
That's a good question. I think the first thing that you
40:54
have to do is be real with yourself where you're at.
40:58
You know, if if we're talking about physically like
41:01
acknowledging that where you're at is not good enough.
41:05
And in the second piece of that, and I think helping you
41:08
acknowledge that is surrounding yourself with the voices that,
41:12
and again, this goes back to you, you can't always do this.
41:15
A lot of us are flying blind, especially if I'm a parent of a
41:18
player or I'm a player. I don't necessarily know that
41:21
what I'm being told is correct, but I have to trust it because
41:23
this is the resource in front of me.
41:25
I think as much as you can go back to trying to find who is a
41:29
winner, trying to find who has helped people and then going
41:33
from there and working your way back on getting guidance from
41:36
those people. I think that's the most
41:39
important thing you can do because you don't know what you
41:42
don't know. And I think that's something
41:44
that's really important to recognize for players as
41:46
trainers, as players, as parents.
41:48
I'm incapable of getting this player from point A to point B
41:52
unless somebody with the right information helps me do so.
41:55
So I think willingly seeking out where are the results?
41:59
How do I go find those results and and take them like for for
42:03
you, for example, right? You've helped multiple players
42:06
that I know where now OK, yes, I have this resource.
42:10
If anybody has this problem, I know exactly where to send them
42:13
right. And I think that's important to
42:16
recognize is I don't know better.
42:19
I, I won't figure this out on my own, who can point me in the
42:22
right direction and I'll go from there.
42:24
And then again, I think from there it goes back to attacking
42:29
the low hanging fruits, but also knowing yourself in your own
42:33
development journey of what is the best way for me to do this?
42:36
I think there's some people that can just go grind and get after
42:39
it and say, hey, I'm gonna go put on 20 lbs.
42:42
And other people, that is extremely difficult because of
42:44
their habits and the way that they do things.
42:46
So it's also being able to put yourself in the right
42:49
environments that are conducive for your improvement.
42:52
Some players just don't do well on their own.
42:55
So it's like, OK, I'm not going to work out, work out on my own
42:58
ever. I need to join a class.
43:00
I need to do this. So I think layering yourself
43:02
with the right information and then the right environments,
43:05
that's going to dictate so much more than just like grinding it
43:08
out. Yeah, no, that's, that's great.
43:10
Second, second question. So you've mentioned a couple, I
43:14
think that'll probably be some of your answers, but who are,
43:16
you know, scale of three of the people or situations in your
43:20
career journey that have impacted your coaching journey
43:22
the most? Yeah.
43:24
You know, I think from an early age you, you know, Sam, I think
43:26
Sam Patterson has has been very influential for me.
43:29
And just me knowing, for example, a person that has the
43:33
right information, right. And it's like, OK, I'm going to
43:35
go from this focal point this, this person can help take me in
43:38
the right direction. That and then within the
43:41
shooting development side of it, Mike Dunn is an excellent
43:43
resource. If if there's a player that's
43:45
struggling with shooting and they haven't seen his stuff,
43:48
like start there for six hours and just scroll through
43:51
Instagram, I think that can be a game changer for applicable game
43:54
skills like Drew Hanlon and Steve D'agostino are the two
43:59
best that I think you could find.
44:01
There's so many other people that are putting out so much
44:04
good information, but to me it goes back to like the coaching
44:07
trees right in in college basketball.
44:10
There's a lot of people that are doing the same stuff when they
44:12
come from like a origin that they're all aligned with.
44:15
And if there's someone that you can find that aligns with those
44:19
people, I think you're on the right track.
44:21
In terms of some of the other stuff outside of like direct
44:25
game translation, I really like Coleman Ayers by any means
44:28
basketball, especially on kind of the the well-rounded dynamic
44:33
learning and, and being able to get outside the fox a little
44:37
bit. You know, a lot of the stuff
44:38
that I've talked about goes back to Hey, attack, that's simplest
44:42
stuff right in front of you. But again, you have to layer
44:45
that in with the ability to enjoy learning and developing.
44:49
And I think he's he's somebody that's done so well and
44:52
capturing that. And also, again, creating
44:54
environments where, you know, half the time giving players the
44:59
right drills to do is great, but putting them in a place where
45:04
they enjoy getting better, that can make development take off
45:08
because they're looking forward to being there.
45:11
They're looking forward to the people that they're interacting
45:14
with. To me, that's everything.
45:16
If you're, if you have the right information, but you're a
45:19
terrible person or you're not fun to be around, how much
45:22
better are the players gonna get?
45:23
So I think that that makes a massive impact for sure.
45:26
Yeah. OK.
45:27
Last question, this hard one, but what have I not asked you
45:30
about today that's really important we talk about?
45:33
I'll start. I, I think I'll think of another
45:35
one, but the first would be, you know, I think for me, one thing
45:38
that I, I didn't talk about enough so far, and this is like
45:40
the, the faith aspect. And for me, one of the biggest
45:44
words that all of it in terms of my journey and what I've done
45:47
has come down to is dependence. I mean, that's one thing that we
45:50
talk about in workouts all the time for, for Southwest
45:53
Christian, where I'm coaching now, the, the, the slogan that
45:55
we're going with is fearless, right?
45:57
What I, what I want to convey to the players is there's a direct
46:01
translation between dependence on what God has for you and your
46:06
ability to play with confidence and operate with confidence as
46:10
an athlete. And it doesn't go back to the
46:13
cliche that you hear all the time of like, hey, I believe in
46:16
God. So God's going to make me be
46:18
good at sports. So often we see that and in
46:20
postgame interviews, it's like, thank you Jesus for me winning
46:24
this championship. Sure, like God blesses people.
46:28
But I think we're missing the point sometimes and
46:31
acknowledging that if, if I'm a follower of Christ, then the
46:35
important things in my life are taken care of so much already
46:39
that this is just a game. And I'm able to acknowledge that
46:42
more. If my identity is completely
46:44
wrapped in this because it it determines my value and my
46:48
purpose in life, then when things go poorly, my entire
46:51
identity goes poorly and I crumble.
46:53
But as an athlete, one thing that I'm continuing to try to
46:57
convey to players is independence does not equal
47:01
freedom. Your ability to put things on
47:03
your back and your ability to just like carry someone or carry
47:07
your own career by outworking everybody is not going to get
47:10
you as far as you want. And when you talk about the
47:13
quitting rate with college sports and you talk about the
47:15
depression that a lot of athletes go through, it's
47:18
because in reality, all of us are going to fail so much except
47:23
for like the the people that you can count on a finger that are
47:27
greats in their sports, right? Whether you're a failure at the
47:30
professional level or to get to the professional level or in
47:33
college and you had to transfer a bunch of times or in high
47:36
school, you didn't make a team. At some point you are going to
47:39
fail and you are going to be crushed by the sport that you
47:44
love. So are you as a person going to
47:47
be crushed by that reality or are you able to operate with a
47:51
joy because you know that it's all taken care of already?
47:55
So I think that's really important, especially when we
47:57
talk about development and all this stuff, the grind idea is so
48:01
inundated like, like sports is all about taking care of
48:05
everything yourself, right? And I think ownership is
48:08
important, but to an extent, so much of what occurs in your
48:12
athletic career is completely out of your control.
48:14
You could get hurt, a coach decides you're playing time, you
48:17
might not get an offer to the school that you want.
48:19
Your route is completely dictated by other people. 90% of
48:24
the of the time. So are you going to try to
48:27
control everything that deeply all the time or can you lean
48:31
into this idea of kind of going a little bit where the wind
48:34
takes you and just putting your best self out there and being OK
48:38
with the result? And a lot of that, you know, for
48:40
me, especially with this journey of what I've done with the
48:42
Shooters HQ stuff or anything else that I'm doing, it's all
48:46
going to work out anyway because I have trust in the reality that
48:49
I'm not the one pulling all these strings in the 1st place.
48:53
So yeah. That's powerful, man.
48:56
No, I love it. This, this has been incredible.
48:58
If if people wanted to learn more from you and whether it's
49:01
business, shooting, coaching, whatever, basketball, where
49:03
should they go or where should they go?
49:05
Maybe they wanted to connect with you.
49:06
Yeah, for sure our website shooters-hq.com would be the
49:11
best place. My contact information is on
49:13
there. I need to do a better job
49:14
providing resources digitally and on social media.
49:18
I've kind of been slacking on that end.
49:21
But you know, one thing that I find really interesting, and I
49:25
would, sorry to go on a small tangent before we finish, I
49:28
would encourage trainers and coaches to consistently do is
49:33
like, we might post something that has 1000 views, but if you
49:35
were talking to 1000 people in front of you, you'd feel really
49:38
good about it. And I think there's so much
49:40
information that people can provide that they kind of hold
49:43
back from sharing on the Internet because I think it goes
49:47
back to you might say something completely different than
49:50
somebody else, but your idea or your concept or your teaching
49:53
method might change somebody's life and somebody else's might
49:56
change another player's. And I think the more that you're
49:59
willing to put out there, the more you can impact lives and
50:02
athletes for the better. So I think that's one thing, you
50:05
know, for people that are maybe on the lower end of it or just
50:09
starting out with trying to develop their brand or their
50:13
resources digitally, like, do as much as you can because you're
50:16
going to help somebody inevitably.
50:18
But yeah, for us, for me, this year's HQ website and that has
50:22
all our training information, all our sessions on there.
50:24
And then my Instagram has some stuff, but I'll I'll start
50:27
putting more out there. Awesome man, I I appreciate you
50:29
being on. This is great.
50:30
Yes, sorry, thanks for having me, it's a lot of fun.