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Spencer Hall on the Absurdity of the proposed 24-team College football Playoff | 05.21 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: Hall on a Thursday. What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 1: I honored to be here. I'm awake and comb my beard.
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  Speaker 1: That's about what I can do for you.
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  Speaker 3: Greatly appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I've been over here being a fucking engineer thing. They
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  Speaker 2: don't tell you about the whole do your studio from
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  Speaker 2: home thing is I'm a I'm an on air talent.
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  Speaker 2: And that also has to be a studio engineer like
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  Speaker 2: little things that seems when the IFB stops working. Now
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  Speaker 2: you got to break out the other cords, everything. And
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  Speaker 2: I am not a troubleshooter. I don't know the checklist.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, you can figure out those problems, which is
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  Speaker 1: why you got that little gold statue back there and
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  Speaker 1: I got a cat wrapped in ham.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think you're a little better
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  Speaker 3: at the fixing part than I am.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that when it comes down to all
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  Speaker 2: of this, no matter what the work from home is,
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  Speaker 2: you become the IT man. You become all these jobs
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  Speaker 2: that the importance of, you might not have necessarily appreciated
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  Speaker 2: prior to this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's going to help you. You are your own.
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  Speaker 1: I've written this before, but you are your own park ranger, okay?
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, you're like, hey, who's the bear? It's you.
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  Speaker 1: You're also the park ranger. Congratulations. You have to do
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  Speaker 1: both jobs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has hit me, man.
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  Speaker 2: But we got a lot we're going to get to,
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  Speaker 2: including some fun LSU-ness that actually doesn't quite involve Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to start with what seems to be
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  Speaker 2: the hottest topic on the streets of college football. And
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  Speaker 2: it seems to be very interesting to me because the
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  Speaker 2: topic is the idea of expanding this college football playoff
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  Speaker 2: to 24 teams.
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  Speaker 3: Now, correct me if I'm wrong. It's only 12 right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, right? Yeah. The last I checked, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, like we're just going to blow past 16, apparently,
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  Speaker 2: and get to 24. And there are not very many
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  Speaker 2: things that people across the board in college football have
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  Speaker 2: in common. What seems to be the unifying force at
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  Speaker 2: this moment, a hatred for the idea of a 2014 playoff.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody understands that this is a horrendous idea, except the
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  Speaker 2: people who make decisions.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Let's get inevitability going. You know when you're
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  Speaker 1: about to get hustled? It's when somebody says, hey.
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  Speaker 3: It's coming. Hey, AI, it's a rocket ship. You better
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  Speaker 3: get on board.
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  Speaker 1: You're about to get suckered is what you're about to get.
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  Speaker 1: And in the case of a 2014 playoff, there is
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  Speaker 1: this move to make this inevitable, right?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's coming.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming. Now, I don't doubt that because none of
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  Speaker 1: us are in control. If the Big Ten and the
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  Speaker 1: SEC want this, then it's going to happen. Frankly, I
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  Speaker 1: think if the Big Ten wants this, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen one way or another. All right. They've got the
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  Speaker 1: most hand right now and they have the broadcast partner
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  Speaker 1: with the least shame.
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  Speaker 2: I actually think that an underrated change that has happened
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  Speaker 2: in college football that I think that there's a discussion
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  Speaker 2: of within college football circles that really hasn't broadened out
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  Speaker 2: is the fact that the Big Ten, despite not possessing
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  Speaker 2: what used to be the most important thing to have
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  Speaker 2: in college football, which was real estate.
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  Speaker 3: Real estate with players, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is this post-integration, pre-now, that is what doomed the
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten, is that they had to go get their
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  Speaker 2: players from the other.
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  Speaker 3: Parts of the country.
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  Speaker 2: And then when the SEC decided, you know, This racism
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  Speaker 2: is interfering with our ability to win some games. And
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  Speaker 2: they decided to lean in on that. Or even just
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  Speaker 2: the existence of USC, the existence of the Pac-10, all
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  Speaker 2: of this. The Big Ten went from, I want to
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  Speaker 2: call it 1968 to 1997 without getting a share of
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  Speaker 2: a national championship because they didn't have the real estate.
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  Speaker 3: However, they have money.
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  Speaker 2: The money and when i say the money it is
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  Speaker 2: the money at the absolute top end and now where
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  Speaker 2: the it just means more crew and the power the
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  Speaker 2: sec had over everything else no indiana's a national champion
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  Speaker 2: now like the big 10 low-key runs the game and
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  Speaker 2: it's feels a little counterintuitive if i may be honest
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  Speaker 2: it does and you have to understand where this started
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  Speaker 2: it started with the big 10 network and it started
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  Speaker 2: with the expansion to california and new jersey because The
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten decided to try to win on the spreadsheet
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  Speaker 2: and it's working.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they did. They looked at it and they said,
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  Speaker 1: what we need is our biggest, like they looked at
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  Speaker 1: it like a business. Where's your biggest profits? Where is
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  Speaker 1: the bulk of your money coming from? It's coming from
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  Speaker 1: TV rights and TV comes down to markets and they
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  Speaker 1: added Rutgers and they added UCLA and USC. Therefore, the
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  Speaker 1: most viable television property will be the Big Ten because
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  Speaker 1: you and I see football. And everyone else who's dealing
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  Speaker 1: with this as a commodity sees numbers. And they tried
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  Speaker 1: to win on a spreadsheet, and right now they're doing it.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll work for a while. Mind you, everything
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  Speaker 1: only works for a while. This particular model, there will
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  Speaker 1: be something to counter it. I believe one thing that
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  Speaker 1: is going to happen when it comes to NIL is
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  Speaker 1: I believe you will see that right now money is
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  Speaker 1: extremely important, but cohesion is more important, right? So financially,
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten will continue to win. Once everyone figures
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  Speaker 1: out what Cignetti's already figured out in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: on-the-field performance, which is that we need.
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  Speaker 3: Dudes who know what they're doing. That's the model. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: People go, well, what did Indiana do?
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  Speaker 1: Your practice hours are limited. Player mobility is at an
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  Speaker 1: all-time high. And unit cohesion is at an all-time low.
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  Speaker 1: All Indiana did, and I'm saying all jokingly, what they
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  Speaker 1: did was astonishing. Get everybody together, create a product where
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  Speaker 1: everybody knew what they were doing, and do about three
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  Speaker 1: or four things really, really, really well. That's something that
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  Speaker 1: Alabama could not do. That's where we're at.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, number one, shout out to you,
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  Speaker 3: Jim Delaney.
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  Speaker 1: Make fun of the dude, as stodgy and boring a
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  Speaker 1: lawyer as has ever lorded over an administrative position. Dude
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  Speaker 1: was right. Like, dude was 100% right about what was
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  Speaker 1: going to win out financially, right? Yeah. Is it good
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  Speaker 1: for the sport?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's, by the way, I'm the only person who's going
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  Speaker 1: to say that. And they're like, this is good for
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  Speaker 1: the bad or bad for the sport.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. This is not a patient.
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  Speaker 1: I can't give you a talk screen or blood work
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  Speaker 1: and be like, yep, college football doing great. Ratings are up.
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  Speaker 1: Ratings are great. There's still demand for it, which is
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  Speaker 1: better than 98% to 99% of the stuff that's offered
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  Speaker 1: by broadcast television. Are there problems with it? Immense problems.
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  Speaker 1: Instabilities that could be exploited and that could lead to
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  Speaker 1: the destruction of the sport itself. By the way, biggest
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  Speaker 1: problem is the sport itself, right? However, was Jim Delaney right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was 100% right in the SEC by being lazy,
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  Speaker 1: by the way. Here's where I get to do something fun.
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  Speaker 1: The SEC, by being lazy... bucolic little hill jacks with
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no real ambition to build their own thing right
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  Speaker 1: and keep everything just the same we're gonna keep our
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  Speaker 1: office in birmingham we're gonna let espn do all the
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  Speaker 1: work they picked the wrong horse and now they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to.
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  Speaker 2: Change yeah like i think the one thing i did
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  Speaker 2: think that was underrated when the big 10 made the
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  Speaker 2: move before we even get to California, right?
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  Speaker 3: When they made the.
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  Speaker 2: Move into DC and they made the move into New Jersey,
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  Speaker 2: they also made the move into two states that quietly
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  Speaker 2: produce a lot of players with in-state schools that can
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  Speaker 2: never keep them.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. Right?
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  Speaker 2: And so it was like, you know, Penn State has
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  Speaker 2: really run Maryland already as it was, right? Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: and Michigan already were getting their guys that they wanted
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  Speaker 2: out of New Jersey. But let's go ahead and just like,
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  Speaker 2: fully lock that in, right? Like, same way I felt
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  Speaker 2: about Texas A & M.
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  Speaker 3: Congratulations, boys.
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  Speaker 2: You joined the SEC so that the SEC could come
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  Speaker 2: get all the players.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. And then the deal for the schools is
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  Speaker 1: very simple. We'll give you more money than you've ever
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  Speaker 1: had before.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And you will spend it. In fact, you've already spent it,
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  Speaker 1: which is even more incentive to join. The schools that
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  Speaker 1: they added in those areas, financially addled, cash damaged, all right? Broke.
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  Speaker 1: Rutgers has no money. Rutgers is never going to have
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  Speaker 1: any money. That's not the point.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Maryland too.
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  Speaker 1: Maryland, deeply troubled in terms of athletic finances. And not
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  Speaker 1: really anything the Big Ten cared about because they weren't
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  Speaker 1: looking at your finances. To be honest, they weren't.
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  Speaker 3: Looking at your academics.
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  Speaker 1: Not that they're bad, but they weren't looking at those
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  Speaker 1: despite whatever protest the Big Ten had. may offer right
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  Speaker 1: i i love by the way the big 10 being
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  Speaker 1: the big 10 saying like well i don't know the
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  Speaker 1: sec makes some academic compromises yeah i mean yes and
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  Speaker 1: this is not a yes but all right right yes
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  Speaker 1: and you're adding rutgers and maryland both fine schools not
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  Speaker 1: exactly public.
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  Speaker 2: Ips no no although i don't know what any of
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  Speaker 2: them are anymore because i your alma mater is claiming
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  Speaker 2: itself as a public IB now.
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  Speaker 1: And that just completely blows my mind.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, you're the best one they got, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Like I, like I was out there and they were
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  Speaker 2: telling me they were the top tier.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, a what? Yeah. Not for long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I looked at the rest of the list
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, you're telling.
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  Speaker 3: Me that Florida is a better school than Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: Like, is that, is that, is that the story?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're, we're all right.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you guys say. I, you know, how's this? You
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  Speaker 1: can get the education you want at Florida. Or you
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  Speaker 1: can avoid the education you don't want at Florida. Those
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  Speaker 1: are both options for you. That is a great point.
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  Speaker 2: But this 2014 playoff idea, I guess they had a
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  Speaker 2: good year with this 12. This 12 was better than
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  Speaker 2: it had been in previous years.
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  Speaker 3: They appear to be a little more parody because.
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  Speaker 2: There used to be such a, like that first round
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  Speaker 2: was just a complete and total waste of time. Though
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  Speaker 2: I guess a lot of this year's first round was
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  Speaker 2: a waste of time aside from Was it Alabama-Oklahoma where
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  Speaker 2: they ran that back?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Where we thought, with Caleb DeBoer, there's a moment where
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  Speaker 2: you saw the look wash over his face.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not going to get fired.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank God.
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  Speaker 3: What a revelation. And by the way, everyone in Alabama,
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  Speaker 3: still in on that.
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  Speaker 1: Like, they're going to ride this for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like, this is, you know, this is what we've got.
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  Speaker 3: I just... nobody's in this for this playoff.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think everybody spent all that time talking about,
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  Speaker 2: we need a playoff, a playoff that.
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  Speaker 3: We never needed by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think my thing about the playoff is the
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  Speaker 2: worst thing that you could do in college sports is
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  Speaker 2: to standardize what success is or to standardize what the
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  Speaker 2: goal is. Like one thing that made this work a
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  Speaker 2: zillion different people with a zillion different goals and everybody
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  Speaker 2: can find their own piece of happiness within this. as
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  Speaker 2: you turn this into kind of the NCAA tournament type
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  Speaker 2: situation and unlike college basketball, where you have a bit
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  Speaker 2: more parody among conferences and it spreads around, although that
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  Speaker 2: clearly is dissipating also with college football, we're now only
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  Speaker 2: really talking about 60 schools or so. And a 2014
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  Speaker 2: playoff in a world with 60 schools means just 36
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  Speaker 2: miserable teams.
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  Speaker 1: It does. And, When you talk about whether we need
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  Speaker 1: a playoff or not, we don't need any of this. Like,
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  Speaker 1: none of this is a need. The college football thrived
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  Speaker 1: without a postseason for a very long time. I will
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  Speaker 1: remind you, bowl games were a kegger. Bowl games were
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  Speaker 1: a party. Go look at old photos of Bob Devaney
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  Speaker 1: and Bear Bryant at bowl, like, banquets.
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  Speaker 3: They're hammered.
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  Speaker 1: They are hammered and trying on each other's hats. The
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  Speaker 1: guys are at tables and they are clearly drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: even though they are 19 years old. We did fine
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  Speaker 1: without any of this. This is a TV product. But
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to give me a TV product, okay,
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  Speaker 1: then you need to understand we need to start cutting
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  Speaker 1: things up a little differently so it feels like everyone's involved.
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  Speaker 1: Where can you look for inspiration for this? The EPL.
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  Speaker 1: Look at look at soccer. Soccer has all of these
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  Speaker 1: thousands of rivalries and cups and regional cups and competitions.
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  Speaker 1: Now they can do that because they have a longer
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  Speaker 1: season and also because they don't play a sport that's
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  Speaker 1: basically an organized car crash. But you can probably mix
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of that in. Why isn't there a
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  Speaker 1: more of a thing about an opening jamboree? Why don't
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  Speaker 1: we have more of an opening September thing that's organized
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  Speaker 1: and that actually means something? The NBA has tried to
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  Speaker 1: do this. And I think, by the way, with greater
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  Speaker 1: success than people are willing to admit, right? Like the cup,
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  Speaker 1: you know, creating some sort of making the season more memorable.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that people struggle with, not just in
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  Speaker 1: college football. It's not unique. Don't pretend you're special. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: struggles with this. This is, by the way, every time
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the first round of the playoffs, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what people are necessarily all Aggie about because
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  Speaker 1: they say, oh man, the first round, we got to
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  Speaker 1: do something about the first round. What's the greatest tournament
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  Speaker 1: in American sports? Oh, the big dance. You know what
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  Speaker 1: happens in the big dance in the first round?
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  Speaker 3: Trouncing. Lots of trouncing. Lots of whooping. Lots of beat
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  Speaker 3: them downs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Tons of them.
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  Speaker 1: We get excited because once every 80 games.
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  Speaker 3: Or so, something interesting happens and there's an upset.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But almost never between the top and the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: It's usually somewhere in that like, you know, what, 412
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  Speaker 1: range somewhere in there. That's what you get excited about.
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  Speaker 1: We get excited about upsets and college football anyway, because
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  Speaker 1: they're so rare.
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  Speaker 3: They are so rare.
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  Speaker 1: This is a sport of giants and dwarves, right? That's
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. And nothing about putting them
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  Speaker 1: in a different arrangement or stack changes that. Yeah. Like
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  Speaker 1: this is, I.
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  Speaker 2: Guess my thing is I always appreciated that one month break. Also,
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  Speaker 2: getting rid of conference championship games, wild to me. The
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  Speaker 2: SEC championship game, to me, is the surest bet of
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  Speaker 2: a good time that this game has provided us in
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  Speaker 2: quite a long time.
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  Speaker 3: The idea, why do we need that? They are antiquities.
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  Speaker 2: They are going away, but the unit of enjoyment. And
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  Speaker 2: this has always been the conference, right? Like it's, it's
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  Speaker 2: more like it's, it goes from rivalry rivals to conference.
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  Speaker 3: And then we work everything else out.
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  Speaker 2: Like winning the sec championship is a thing has been
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  Speaker 2: a thing always will be a thing, except it's not
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  Speaker 2: because they're going to make this go away because they're like,
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  Speaker 2: we can make more money if we sell this as
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  Speaker 2: a first round playoff game. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And you're just not good. You're not going to convince
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  Speaker 3: me that that's going to be more fun.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be more fun. I
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  Speaker 1: think that there are a number of forces that are
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  Speaker 1: at play here that we're not all going to make
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  Speaker 1: it like they're not all going to make it in
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  Speaker 1: terms of getting from this stage of football to the
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  Speaker 1: next stage of football. One thing that I think everybody
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  Speaker 1: can agree with is that we want more diversity in scheduling.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that is going to cripple that is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we need less diversity in scheduling. And by that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we need fewer Cupcake games. You cannot have
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  Speaker 1: this product and you cannot make every part of it
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  Speaker 1: count and thus maximize your potential at every point. If
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: we're conceding to the locals that this television slot, which
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: is your primary source of revenue, needs to be replaced.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of a quality game, we put Charleston Southern in there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Charleston Southern. I always pick you because that's
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  Speaker 1: just like, that is the most, like when you're playing
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  Speaker 1: the video game, that is the most FCS blank team
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  Speaker 1: to me. So I always put Charleston Southern in there.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: But cash games where you're buying an easy win can't
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: happen if we are going to say the primary value
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: of this sport is as a television product. That cannot happen, right? Yeah.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: That cannot happen.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: However, it's very lucrative for schools to do that. Also,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: schools do that because they want an easy win, right?
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Well, also, easy win at a point that Barry Switzer
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: makes in his autobiography that I think is important.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: A game that's not so destructive to your players.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Now, granted, very destructive to Charleston Southern's players.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: There's the same amount of damage, Bo. We're just apportioning
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: it this way.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Dion said that when he was at Jackson State.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, hell no, we ain't about to go out
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: there and get beat up by these boys and come
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: back over here.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: What are you, high? No, it's not worth the check.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Go play somebody else.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Um, which is by the way, I think that's where it, again,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I go to like, we've, these are problems people have
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: dealt with before. Um, Greg Sankey knows this by the way,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: cause Greg Sankey famously caught reading a book about the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: construction of the English premier league. We're going to end
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: up with a highly tiered system where there is a
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: little bit of movement in between those tiers. I do
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: think we'll get, I think we already have something like relegation.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: We really do. Right. Uh, we don't send teams down anymore,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: but we send teams up. Teams get promoted at teams.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Enter FBS. They enter new conferences. They change conferences all
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: of the time. I think that'll become more regimented over time. Eventually,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I do think, I mean, we have had a team
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: relegated before.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Temple, right?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Temple got booted out of the Big East for freeloading
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: so hard on the Big East that they had to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: do something that just never happens. They booted them from
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the conference.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And keep in mind, the Big Ten never kicked Northwestern out. Yeah, never.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: If it were going to happen, that would be the team.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Vanderbilt never got tossed.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Nope, nope. Poor Mississippi State had some bad years. But
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: we were never, ever, ever going to tell them not
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: to come to Thanksgiving. That's happened. And I think that's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: probably where we're headed. Are these good or bad things?
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you where they're going. I think there's
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: going to be positives to all of them. I'm not
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: an optimist. But I do think there's going to be
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: some good things about that. Like, I love the fact,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I love the idea of a stacked schedule where we
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: don't have a let-up. Where they all count, right? And
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: where we actually make every single game count. And where
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: it literally would mean more, ISEC, every single week. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: would love that. I don't think it's going to happen yet.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I got to say, though, I like, like, 11-1 teams.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Right. I like I like I like 12.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Like that's part of.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: The fun is the potential to build to being the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: 11 and 0 team or whatever it is. Like you
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: get that loss and it's different at different schools. Like
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the year South Carolina was doing that and then they
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: lost to Navy.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I believe it was like along the way. Like I, I, I,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it like that. A bunch of nine and
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: two teams, like a bunch of 10 and two teams.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: not really that interesting, right?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Like if Indiana had done this by being 10 and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: two and then walking through the playoff, it's not nearly
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: as cool.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It's not nearly as cool. We like that number. We
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: like big number. We like big, scary team. I love
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a big, scary team. We're not going to get that
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: as much.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: No, it's over.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't really. And by the way, that'll
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: make what Indiana did. I think that's only going to wax.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's only going to grow in stature as
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: we get further and further away from it. And I think,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: by the way, they are a great team, like an
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: all-time great team. I do believe that because you don't
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: win that many games in that fashion against that many
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: different teams. with that many different approaches without being legitimately great.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: But they caught this moment just perfectly. And I think
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: people will catch on to this model. They're not going
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to be as good at doing it because they're not
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Frank Signetti or Kurt Signetti. They're not... they're not going
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: to have the exact same lack of competition in this field.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I think everybody knows what they did. They're just trying
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to do it on their scale. Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: We're just messing up something. Everybody liked, I mean, uh,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Are we?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the thing.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: It's a fair question as to whether or not, I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: guess it evolves and it turns into something else.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Or are we just old?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: There's that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Well, there's that, but this is an old people's world.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: This is an old people's game, right?
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Like, the things that are charming about this are things
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that are charming to old people or have been. I just,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I think the thing to me is that I think
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: reducing it all to a television show misses the point.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: And I think that, like, so, for example, I find
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: it weird when fans of rap cite the sales of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: their favorite rapper as an argument as to why that's.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Their favorite rapper.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I don't care how much money these people make off
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of this thing.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: This isn't a thing.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Now with college sports, it becomes interesting that some of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the money stuff does matter, especially now that you have.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: To pay the players.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: There's an understanding that the revenue affects a lot of
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the things that you say that you enjoy. But The
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: fact that they can make more television money off of this,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: or more accurately, the fact that a bunch of people
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: will watch a game on television is not to me
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the indication as to whether or not this is good. Like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: making these games more attractive to people who don't care.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: As much is a, yeah, I guess, right? I think
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: that's the thing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. I could buy that. I also see this, though,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that I understand this thing's going to move past me. Yeah. Like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it's going to be here after I'm gone. And whether
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it's going to be as popular or not, I can't
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: predict that. But I can say this, the thing that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: has always made it different is that it's localized. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the further we move away from that kind of like
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: regional or community thing, the weaker I think it gets.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And that is, by the way, something that I don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: think moves that easily. I think people say that like, oh, okay, well,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: now you're just going to turn it into another corporate sport. Buddy,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you can't move LSU. It's not like the Colts. Right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: It's not like the Rams. It's not the Chargers, dude.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You know? You can't pick up the University of Alabama.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It's still going to be there. Right. And as transient
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: as the American population can get, some people just stay put, dude.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And for some of them, it's the only rubric they
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: have to say that they're from that place. What, like...
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: If you're from Texas. Yes. Right. Like, I think you
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: claim Texas. I, at this point, claim Atlanta. I don't
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: claim Georgia. You know, but but I you know, I'm
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I'm a Gator fan. And that is a part of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: my life stake to that spot. If you're a Texas
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: fan of any sort. Right. Then then it was because
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you were there. And that's going to have a weight
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that I think and a brand identity to speak to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: those people who like to hear it in those words. Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: It doesn't budge.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It really doesn't budge.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Can you think of how crazy it would be if
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you woke up one morning and it was moving trucks
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: pulling out of Baton Rouge and they're like, yeah, we're
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: moving to Vegas. They cut us a nice deal to
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: move into the dome. We're moving to Vegas.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: If I could see any school doing that, by the way,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like I always thought Auburn was, you know, Auburn could
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: pick up and move. Yeah. You know, they would maintain that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: They would maintain that as like a park, the campus,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: but they could move. Texas A & M, Texas A & M.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: That was my next thought. It could just take off
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: like a spaceship, go somewhere in the Middle East, right?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Like it's because they're basically oil money anyway. Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Well, they'll get up.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Texas A & M would get up and move to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: get away from Texas. And they realize, like they did,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: we really kind of miss these guys. Although, actually, they
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: didn't realize it. Like, when Texas was like, we're coming
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to the SEC, Texas A & M was like, wait
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: a minute.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: That's our personality.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, no way. I really do enjoy, by the way,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that at one point in this conversation between Texas and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Texas A & M, A & M gets called nerds.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Yes. That's, that's amazing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. If you're like, so between these two Texans,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: if you're outside from Texas, you would just be like, ah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you all look the same to me. But in state
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it'd be like, yeah, I don't know. You nerds think
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: about math.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: They're the most ironic nerds on earth because they have
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: all the nerd hallmarks.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: They're just from rural Texas. Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Just from rural Texas. And they're, they're the ones who quietly,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: if you, See people in industries like little bespoke industries,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like the guy who figures out for the United States
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: as a whole, whether you are selling counterfeit honey. Right.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: This is like a very specific thing. He's at A & M. Yes.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Like if you want like the Matlock of agricultural fraud,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the guy who figures it out. Right. They're at A & M.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: They're specialized. They're extremely technical. This is one of the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: things that I have learned covering college football is that
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: there are little specialties in schools that are much smarter
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: than you ever imagined. Some of the most brilliant people
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I've ever met went to Clemson. People who are legit,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: drop them anywhere, they will figure it out. People went
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to Clemson or Texas Tech or A & M.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: This little kerfuffle has got to be good for A & M, right?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Nothing but good. Absolutely great for them.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know, it's all
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: about price accrued down there at A & M, right?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Like the money at UT is lawyer money. Steady, constant, right?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: That A & M money, it come out the ground.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: This is it. Texas writes the contracts for the land
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and sometimes owns it. A & M, they'll figure out
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: what you could grow on it or get from under it. Yes.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That's what they figure out. And by the way, A &
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: M right now, in terms of that recruiting class, we're
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: making some calls, right?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: We're like, son.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I know that things are scary right now geopolitically, but
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: have you considered how much, hey, some of us are
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: about to make from it. Have you considered how much
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the price of crude is? I know it hurts at
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the pump right now, but wouldn't it be nice if
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it helped you in your bank account? If it felt
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: good for you, we can help you.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And also their, their money may be up and down,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: but that's better than the money that Miami is offering you,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: which may not be money.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: You look like money, but it might not be money.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about funny money or old school,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: funny money.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It just might not be actual money.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: It, it, this is the thing we can offer a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: lot of different services now in terms of your benefits package.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in a way that even before we could not, right?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: We could offer some funny money. What about an investment opportunity? Oh,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: what about the classic? What if you want a job?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: What if you want multiple jobs, right? What if we
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: want your uncle to get a job and your dad
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and your mom, we can put them all on the payroll.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: These are things that can all happen right now. What
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a tie bed. Oh, I, I love the intersection of
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: geopolitics and college football for a lot of reasons. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: do have a master's in international affairs.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Believe it or not.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Um, but I love it specifically for Texas A &
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: M and LSU because right now people go, oh man,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: is this sustainable?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Dude, this is America. None of it's sustainable.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Why are you asking that question?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Are you Danish?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: It's all about right now, baby.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Are you planning ahead for the betterment of the community?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cute.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: That's very cute.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Next Wednesday, crude's going to be at like 500 a barrel.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Come to LSU. Come to A & M. You want
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to counter the menace of the Big Ten? Don't ever
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: let them figure that out. Don't ever let that mess.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: That kerfuffle, keep it going. It's great.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: We'll get so many defensive tackles.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: That's right. LSU is refinery money.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Because A & M, oil money. LSU, we take the oil.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: We get it from point A to point B, right?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I love, this is, if you want to know how
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: bizarre your conversations around college football can get, an argument
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: with an LSU fan can end with, you need to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: thank me for being.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Warm in the winter. What? Yes.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not entirely wrong, right? LSU is like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: refinery money, pipeline money, the know-how, right? To get the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: transport and logistics.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You and I need to write the book about like
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: some across the country, where the money comes from.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I don't have the title. I don't know whatever it is.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Like I was talking about buddy Dimitri and he was
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: telling a story once about telling me a story about, uh,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the beef that they have, um, at Alabama, like the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: split in the money is the, the, the iron money
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: up North and the timber money down South. Yeah. Once
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you know where the money, a lot is explained at
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: every program.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Once you know where the money comes from Miami money,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: don't ask. Don't, It's pretty much any Miami question, right?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Like, where does it come from?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Stuff. Stuff. Meta. It's like Miami will come and go
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: because their money is comes from a meta economy it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: an economy on top of an asset on top of
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: an asset sometimes it's cooking sometimes brother it ain't uh
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: a and m in texas that's gonna vary like it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to a and m particularly is gonna vary with crude
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: if you look at kentucky or as this look at
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: alabama people go man how does alabama have money well
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Let me introduce you to the glory that is offshore
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: coal mines. And by offshore, I mean overseas. That's coal money,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: coal money and shipping money, right? The port of Mobile
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and coal taken out of the ground in Columbia helps
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: fuel Alabama football. Like that is those are two of
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the things that do it. They're not alone in that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And those aren't the only things that do it. But
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: where the money comes from is absolutely crazy.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Do you know?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Do you know where Texas tax money comes from? It's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: from one guy.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a gazillion dollars. Yeah, and where did
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: that come from?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: That's oil. That's 100% oil. That is a petrochemical empire
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that is doing that right there. Where does Michigan's money
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: come from? Where are they spending money from? They're spending
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: money from Ross and from a bunch of other dudes
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: because Michigan has a lot of rich guys.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: You left out the one who matters now.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Who isn't even a Michigan grad.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: He's just tricking on one.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Ellison, who happens to be dropping money for them.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And by the way.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, for people who don't know, it's not
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Ellison that's the Michigan fan here.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: No, that would be Ellison's girlfriend.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Not his wife!
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Nope. Girlfriend.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Girlfriend.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Who occasionally points and says, that's a good quarterback, you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: should go get him. And Ellison, from his Japanese-style dojo, right,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: in Malibu, where he keeps buying property to get further
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and further away from people, just.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Peels off a couple mil. Here you go.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, because the bottom line is boosterism is tricking.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Right. It is.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of secondary tricking. Like second
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: order tricking is what we've got here. He's tricking on
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: her by tricking on Michigan.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: That is different. Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And it is different, but it is pretty much like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: when you go, why are you doing this thing that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you'll never see a dime from? Right. It's because you're
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: getting something out of it. Yes. What is the incentive, right?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Am I stunting?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I'm stunting for someone else in this case, which is
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: very interesting to me. That's different, right? If you look
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: at why other boosters do it, why does Phil Knight
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: do it? Well, Phil Knight, I think, saw the University
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of Oregon as both a home, but he also saw
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it as a way to market Nike. Yes.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: He essentially purchased the House of Speed. He essentially made
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the cult of Steve P. Fontaine and then was like, hey,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You know what would go well with that? How about
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: a football team? How about a football team, by the way,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that's never been consistently good? Never prior to Phil Knight
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: starting to throw down.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: If I have not mistaken, Rich Brooks' record at Oregon
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: is under 500 and there's a street named after him.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: That is correct. That is correct. And then after that,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you just get a program that became his show pony.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And Phil Knight's on the headset. Like there are photos
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: of Phil Knight on the headset. there if you are
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: a booster with money you can get as involved as
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you want to for whatever reasons you want to think
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of that freedom there's no board governing you no one's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: gonna get on your ass about uh you know like
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the ethics of being too involved it's your pet you
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: can do whatever you want it's past cash the reward
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that you get the control that you get right i
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: i get why people do it right they i don't
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: if At a certain point, the money doesn't matter anymore.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Although I'll say, Ellison, before we go into break, Ellison
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: got a lot of money.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: You know what else?
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: He owes a lot of money.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And that's going to be good. That guy, his tricking
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: is not a permanent condition. But coming up next, we
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: have fun LSU stuff. And wait till you hear what
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about Kim Mulkey. You can
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• 34:50
  Speaker 1: We are back with Spencer Hall.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Have you seen this thing with that dude, Will Wade,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the basketball coach at LSU, who is like, we ain't
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: had just a flagrantly shameless guy like Will Wade in
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: quite a while. My thing about that sort of guy
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: is he got to be a little more charming with it, right?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Like if you're going to be, we'll call it renegade, right?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: That's the cute way to put it. You got to, like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: if you're going to be Barry Switzer, you got to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: have a little something to you about it. If you're
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: going to be Jerry Tarkanian, You got to have a
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: little something to you. If you're going to be John Calipari,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: you got to have something to you. This dude just
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: does the stuff. And now his new thing is who
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: has been drafted in the, in the league before, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: still has some eligibility and maybe 25 years old.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: How'd you like to come play for LSU?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Again, in an era of increased player mobility and the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: free market, we seek experience.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: These everybody's learning the question. Everybody's learning the lesson that
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: BYU learned in the eighties. Hey, it's a lot easier
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to win games if these guys are 22, 23, 24
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: years old. Yes.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: You're going on a mission trip?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: That's great. Let me send you some protein powder. Let
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: me send you a list of workouts you can do
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. Kansas State. Kansas State. Kansas State
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: learned that lesson. Indiana obviously learned that lesson. Well, Wade
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: understands that you want.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Experience, age, size, and cohesion. That's it. Well, it's because.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a metaphor for America, which is we ain't trying to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: build shit.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: We ain't trying to grow shit. We just trying to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: buy low, right? Like you, you go do all the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: hard work.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: We'll just come in and scoop the dude up once
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the chance comes.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: That's why the NCAA tournament and the NFL draft, now
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: look where they do.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: In the draft, we saw this.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: The heartwarming stories, the guys coming from small schools, those
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: small schools may be weigh stations. They may stop there
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: for a little while, but that's not going to be
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the name that's on the screen at the end. Those
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: dudes are all getting harvested. Like, this is everything else.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: The rich people let you take all the risk. And
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: they just come in right fast.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: At the end.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And it's the smart thing to do if you're them.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: We don't have to develop talent anymore.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: We don't.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: There are some places that still try to do that. Georgia.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Georgia does not take a whole lot of transfers, by
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the way. Clemson, in college football at least, has decided
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they're just not going to do that. And thus far,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it hasn't cost Georgia. It's really cost Clemson in terms
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of their overall performance it cannot be denied at this
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: point that that it really has damaged them and they're
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: standing nationally i think it's going to catch up with
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: georgia but point being you don't have to do that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: anymore you can just this is again we're going to
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: go back to soccer right hey little team crazy little
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: team in argentina that's crazy you got this amazing guy
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: i think we'll take him we'll take him in naples
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: that's that's oh i'm sorry we'll take him in barcelona Right.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Big boys came in to get Maradona.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Right. You don't hang on to them. You're just developing them.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And there is a niche for that. There are teams
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that are going to make their living off of that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I think there should be transfer fees across the board
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: in college sports, because I think that's one way of
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: recognizing the value of the work that these smaller places do.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I told you when I was working on that story
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: about Trinidad Chambliss, I talked to Tony Anise. He's the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: coach at Ferris State. He was like, dude, we lost
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: seven guys. yeah to d1 programs like fbs.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Programs fair state should get a check for each one
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of the laws i think those guys should get checks
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: too yes yes 100 like i think they should be
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: paid but at the same time if you are more
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: than a way station if you have made these players
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: better identified them scouted them and then have the rights
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to make them better get some compensation in return.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Right right now I want to put a pin in
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: what we were talking about LSU right fast, but I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: want to point something out that's interesting. I think, as
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, Clemson, as I've noticed. So we put out
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: a pod on Wednesday. It was me and Joel Anderson.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: And we talked about we wound up talking about this NCAA, NCAA, NAACP,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the talk they have about boycotting. They're saying Southern schools,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: but they're being there. They're saying SEC.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Because one problem with this is the mouthpieces appear to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: have had any fucking clue what they're talking about. Or
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: at the very least, they don't know anything about the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: world that they're talking about. Like, in my opinion, I
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: think they have a cartoonish idea, these white people. And
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they're like, we're gonna hit them what really matters they're
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: they're they're football is how we wind up calling Tim
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Waltz coach right they're like hey I know what those
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: people think is important and that's how we're going to
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: get them right but I saw Hakeem Jeffrey stand up
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: and say who is not he's a congressman he's not
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: an NAACP uh representative but anyway He got up there
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and said, and he specifically said, these SEC schools, these
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: SEC schools, these SEC schools.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, Clemson over there, like, yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: SEC schools. That's right. That's where the problem is. Florida State.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The SEC.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: And that's where I'm like, oh, guys, we haven't thought
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: about this at all. This is just a press conference
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: right now. I get you. I see what you're going for.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: But I saw a.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Thing on the Internet where it was like, make the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: SEC rosters as white as their legislatures.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, we're really just talking about the SEC. Oh,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: got you. Got you. Guys. Guys, what are we doing?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? Yeah. I mean, I think black
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: athletes should be able to be in a place where
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: they could simultaneously vote and attend a school within 200
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: miles of their parents' house.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: It's tricky. It's tricky, right? It's just, I just, again,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: my concern.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: When I talked to Joel about this was, my concern
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: is it feels like it's a lot of here's what
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: y'all can do and not a lot of here's what
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: we gonna do. And I know it's a lot of
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: here's what y'all can do when they don't even recognize
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: that there's more than one conference that exists.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: In a lot of these states.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Just had that thought. One thought out there. Now I
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: want to get back to this LSU thing that you're
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: going to love.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: And yes, this is breakneck pace in this back half
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: of the show, but you're going to love this.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Rod and I talked about this.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Now, Rod's an LSU grad, so it's different with him,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: but I don't like Kim Mulkey, but I love her.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: I love the mere fact that she exists.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I love her ridiculous get-ups. I kind of love the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: fact that she's like a high school valedictorian with a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: 4.0 who seems to have like this warm relationship with
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and has politics that I absolutely abhor, okay?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Like all of these things are the case.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I also kind of love that with all of those
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: things being the case, like she reminds me so much
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: of Texas in the sense that she's the white woman
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: that's riding for everything I hate, but go look at
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: those teams she trotting out there, right?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: She's like, this is who she chooses to hang out with. Okay, right?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: It's all over the place.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I want you to guess what Kim Mulkey's middle name is,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and the hint that I'm giving you is that it
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: starts with a D.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Deanna. Take one more.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: This is going to be a miss. It's a brick. Daphne.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Last hint.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: It ends in an E. I'm going to go Diane.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Dwayne.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: You're fucking kidding me.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: D-U-A-N-E. Dwayne. Dwayne?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Dwayne.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Dwayne.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Like, is it Dwayne?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Is it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Dwayne.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: D-U-A-N-E.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: You tried telling me her middle name's Dwayne?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Dwayne.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Dwayne.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Like the guy with 30-06 shells in his cup holder.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Like Dwayne.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like Dwayne, he's doing real well. He's got his
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: own truck now. He's running the whole business. The second
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: marriage is going good.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Kids love him. Yes. Plays the slide guitar.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Old boy used to run around in the day,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: but he's a little old for that now, and he's good. Yes. Yes.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I love that, by the way, Dwayne and Dwight are
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: two names that could either be hashtag white Dwayne or
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: black Dwayne or hashtag black Dwight or white Dwight. Either way,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: they fit both and don't fit both at the same time.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: But yes, this woman's middle name is Dwayne. She is
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Kimberly Dwayne Mulkey. That's the country's name of all time.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: She puts me in so many, like, binds. She does.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Cause I don't like her, but you know, you got
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to say, okay, listen, I got to give her credit
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: on something. That's a legendary college basketball player.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Like she's, she was incredible as a player. She obviously
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: has results as a coach. I would rather set myself
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: on fire than root for her, but I have to
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: at least give her the.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Resume, you know?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yes. And at the same time too, I understand this
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: kind of person because first of all, This only her
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: middle name being Dwayne only adds to my I came
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: from nothing. I deserve everything. Give me nothing and I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: will get something. And I don't owe the world shit.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: That's her thing.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: There's there are a million people out there like her.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: In terms of that attitude, in terms of results, pretty minimal.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Like not many people can stack up what she's stacked up. Right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: She's part of this cast at LSU right now. That
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: entire institution has just decided to go black hat.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yo, Lane, Kiffin, Will, Wade, and Kim Mulkey. That is,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: What's the word? A triumvirate?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: That's something.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Just full black hat. And Mulkey is probably, people will say, well,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Lane's outrageous.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Lane's not outrageous. Lane has no boundaries.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yes. That's the thing. You're mistaken sloppy and brilliant for
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: somebody who's outrageous.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: That's not him.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Lane just doesn't, Lane takes all the food on his
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: plate and mashes it up all at once. He's just
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: a hyperactive dude who can't organize and has a knack
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: for brilliant play calling. He really is. He's a brilliant
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: play caller. And for some, I don't understand how he recruits,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: by the way. If you've been in the room with him,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I don't get it, but he's good at it. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: don't know how that works, but it happens. Mulkey's the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: one who you're like, man, you had a player who
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: was imprisoned in Russia. Someone who earned you money.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Earned you money. Got you money.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: As a coach. Best player you ever coach. Best player
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you ever coach. Legendary player. And all you had to
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: say was, I'd like to see her out of a
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Russian prison. That's all you had to say. She didn't.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: She didn't. Like, hey, do you have anything to say
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: about your player who's in a Russian prison for, like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: some kind of dodgy reasons?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I have forgotten she did that. No, no comment. Bo,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I hate a lot of people. I don't know how
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: many of them deserve a Russian prison.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Probably three Russian, a Russian prison, a Russian prison.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: You're stuck in a Russian prison and you can't at
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: least say, Hey, my heart goes out to her. I,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you can't say, well, that sucks.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: If she had just said, Hey man, that sucks. That's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: more empathy than you demonstrated. or wanted to talk about, right?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And this is before we get into anything else about
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Kim Mulkey.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: One of my ultimate, I wish I'd have that one back,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: is when Brittany first got locked up. We were doing
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the first season of Game Theory, and we had some
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: jokes about how you ain't want to have to guard
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Brittany after she got out the joint, when she showed
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: up with the Russian.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Tattoos and all of that stuff.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: But that's when we thought she was only going to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: be in for maybe a week or two.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. We didn't expect her to do
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: all that time. And I... I would have liked to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: have had that one back.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I would have liked to have taken that one back.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Hindsight is 20-20. And you know what?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: In the circles you move in, Bo, you might get
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to have that conversation with her. I could.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And hopefully she did not see it because she was
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: in a Russian prison and a little too busy to
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: be concerned with television shows on HBO.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: If you do get to have that conversation with her,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I can fake a heart attack at the same time.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: If you need that, I'll volunteer.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I had somebody on the staff the second season who
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: was woke than a motherfucker and was not happy about
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the fact that we had done that the previous season.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like, look, you should have took the job. We
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: can't do nothing about this now.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: We just can't.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know if I ever told you the story.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: My dad tells the story about how, you know, this
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: is back when we used to talk about people being ugly.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Like we don't really do that anymore.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: And he was having a conversation with another couple, and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: he was talking about how somebody was ugly. Now, I'm
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: going to use an example of someone who is not
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: ugly so that I cannot be accused of saying somebody
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: is ugly in public, right?
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: So we'll just throw it out there. Let's just say
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: the ugly.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Person's name was Sanaa Lathan, who obviously is not ugly.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Just a placeholder.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: And he's going out, boy, some people so ugly, they
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: just can't help it. Like that's not Latham. And he's
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: just talking and talking and he's noticing it's getting a
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: little weird in there and he don't understand why it's
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: getting so weird.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: He's like, what's the problem?
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: And his homeboy says, and he's sitting there next to
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: his woman and he goes, people always tell my wife
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: how much she look like Sinai Latham.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: And I told you, I've asked my daddy 10 times
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in this story. I'm like, well, what did you do next?
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: And he said the same thing every time. I just
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: started talking about something else.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: There was no purpose in staying in this moment. And
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: so he just went on to something else. And that's
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: how I felt about Brittany Groton when she was stuck
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: in jail.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: We just go act like we ain't do that shit.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Post through it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Just post through it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: That's about all you, that's about all you can do.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Moe Jizzle. You know what I'm saying?
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: You remember Moe Jizzle?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I do. Like that is such an, I way too
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: online reference, but for those of us who would air,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: if you knew the story of Moe Jizzle boy, Moe
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Jizzle was just like, I have nothing to gain by
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: acknowledging what these people are saying about me.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Just, just post, just post through it, man. That's about
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: all you can do. Keep going. Yeah.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Um, Yeah. Also, we didn't know she was going to
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: be there that long.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: We didn't know she was going to be there that long.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It's an unreasonable impression.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Like, it was always a little edgy, right?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't want to pretend like I didn't know
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: that we was always just kind of on the edge.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, the joke was really funny.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, on the full cast the other day, I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: made a Paul Walker joke that I probably should have
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: pulled back. But you know what? It's out there right now.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Nothing I can do about it. Okay.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you The best game theory joke
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: that we decided not to pull. It killed in the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: room and it did not kill in front of the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: studio audience, but I think it would have killed in television.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: We were doing something. I think it was a sports
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: washing issue.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we were talking about the idea that the
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Germans were using the 1936 Olympics for their sports washing.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: But we ignored the fact that the United States uses
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: sports washing all the time in all the ways, including
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the 1936 Olympics, right?
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Like that was like Jesse Owens. Like somehow we were
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: the good guys.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because Jesse was going to go home to
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: a nation that welcomed him and had allowed him to
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: participate fully in society at every state.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: And instead, he returned home to a country where he
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: was not invited to the White House by the president
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: of the United States, who was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I ad-libbed in the table read about Roosevelt not honoring
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Jesse Owens for winning all those medals for running.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: And I said, what a hater. And there was that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: brief moment where people were like, what? Oh, whoa.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Whoa. Hey.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Now, I think there were multiple levels of interpretation that
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: one could have had in that moment.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I think that we should have.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Pasted in a super laugh track and it would have worked.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: But everybody was just a little bit afraid.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: But I'm sorry. That shit was funny.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like I got to be that concerned
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: about how racists feel, especially dead ones.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Listen, you can cut this, but my favorite joke of
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: all time, my favorite political joke at least, you know
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Mort Sahl was?
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I'm unfamiliar.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 50s, 60s humorist.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: He had a gag.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Wernher von Braun wrote an autobiography. Wernher von Braun was
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the scientist who got us to the moon. The guy
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: who was one of the cornerstones of NASA, rocket propulsion genius.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And he also happened to use slave labor to build
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: V2s for the Nazis.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. You know, we all got a past.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And he also, you know, bombed London as part of his,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: you know, helped bomb London, helped kill civilians as part
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of a German military machine. Anyway, the name of Wernher
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: von Braun's autobiography was I Aim for the Stars. It's
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a killer title, right? Like editor fist pumping, right? Like, yeah,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that's good shit. Mort Sahl was like, it should have
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: been called I Aim for the Stars, but sometimes I
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: hit London. And I have relayed that anecdote like 400
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: times and I crack up every time.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: I'll never have a line that good.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Ryan Brubly, who currently is doing a
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: great deal of a great job of producing as he
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: just sent me a text that said, and I quote,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: feels like a great time to end. That is Spencer Hall.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Check him out on Channel 6 and Incredible Newsletter that
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I highly recommend you guys check out and the Shutdown Fullcast.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: My brother, I appreciate you.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 52:58
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