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"WE SEARCHED INTO THE NIGHT": DARIUS, 6, VANISHES ON FAMILY CAMPING TRIP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: We searched into the night, says a desperate family after
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Speaker 2: little Darius, just six years old, vanishes on an extended
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Speaker 2: family camping trip. How could a little six year old
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Speaker 2: boy vanish into thin air while the adults were watching
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Speaker 2: him play with other children. I'm Mascy Grace, this is
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: What was meant to be a peaceful family getaway in
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Speaker 3: the wilderness of Alberta, Canada, has turned into a devastating mystery.
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Speaker 3: The McDougall family, eager to create lasting memories, was thrown
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Speaker 3: into chaos when one of the young children wandered off.
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Speaker 2: I have taken the children from a very young age.
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Speaker 2: All across the country are being and camping. I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure how you lose a child on a camping trip,
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Speaker 2: but it's happened a lot.
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Speaker 1: This is the first.
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Speaker 2: Time a child has gone missing on a camping trip.
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Speaker 2: The parents, the grandparents, There was extended family or family
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Speaker 2: friends there.
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Speaker 1: They were all packing to leave and go back home.
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Speaker 2: And you know, when you're packing, packing up the RV
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Speaker 2: or the station wagon or the SUV, you turn your
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Speaker 2: back right you're loading it up everything's running crazy. But
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Speaker 2: how could a little boy vanish into thin air and
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Speaker 2: be gone so quickly he can't be found?
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's start at the beginning.
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Speaker 4: Listen, six year old Darius on a camping trip with dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins,
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Speaker 4: dad's girlfriend Buffy and her daughter Kaya. The family gathers
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Speaker 4: to celebrate family birthdays, camping in crows nest, passed with rivers, creeks,
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Speaker 4: hiking areas and small islands close to shore where the
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Speaker 4: children love to play.
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Speaker 2: Let me just start right there because I need to
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Speaker 2: understand the terrain.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.
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Speaker 2: But I want to go first to Stephen Tipper, joining
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Speaker 2: us from Post Media.
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Speaker 1: Stephen, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Could you just let me just start with the terrain
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Speaker 2: where they were camping.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very uneven train. Lots of different kinds
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Speaker 5: from you know, uh level ground to a high level
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Speaker 5: you know, mountainous terrain. You know there's there's bodies of
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Speaker 5: water there. It's it's you know obviously in the in
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Speaker 5: the rocky so it's you know, uh, there's quite a
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Speaker 5: varied you know mixture. I mean, the uh that they were.
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Speaker 2: A tree Steven Tipper Steven joining US investigative reporter with
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Speaker 2: Post Media Check it out. Brian Fitzgibbons, Uh Fitzgibbons, Director
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Speaker 2: Operations USPA Nationwide Secure who leads a team of expert
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Speaker 2: investigators specializing in finding missing people.
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Speaker 1: Look at those trees, Brian. I mean.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is a child gets lost in those trees,
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Speaker 2: that's going to be really hard to find, even with dogs,
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Speaker 2: even with cadets shoulder to shoulder. Did you see that
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Speaker 2: picture we just showed, Fitzgibbons.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, this is rugged terrain, Nancy. And you can see,
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Speaker 6: as you know, the thick forests, the dense forest there
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Speaker 6: makes not only the search complicated, but for the six
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Speaker 6: year old child who's missing, he's quickly disoriented once he's
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Speaker 6: separated from his group.
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Speaker 7: So you know, this.
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Speaker 6: Terrain is possibly some of the least ideal terrain for
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Speaker 6: a search like this to take place.
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Speaker 2: Fitz Gibbons, I worked as a heightmaster and teaching tree identification,
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Speaker 2: believe it or not, in a national forest.
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Speaker 1: Had to carry a compass with.
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Speaker 2: Me just in case you get disoriented, like you were
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Speaker 2: just saying, in those trees where everywhere you look everything
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Speaker 2: looks the same.
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Speaker 1: That happens. It's a phenomena. Doctor Trey Sargent joining.
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Speaker 2: US PhD and psychology focus on victimology and in a
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Speaker 2: previous life starts rescue recovery expert.
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Speaker 1: It happens. It's a phenomena. You get in those trees
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Speaker 1: and they.
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Speaker 2: All seem to look alike, and you get turned around
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Speaker 2: and you don't know which way where you came from
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Speaker 2: or where you're trying to go if you don't have
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Speaker 2: a compass, much less a six.
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Speaker 1: Year old little boy.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely right, Nancy, Children at this age don't have the
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Speaker 8: capability and the maturity and the growth of their minds
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Speaker 8: to understand where they are, how to get back where
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Speaker 8: they want to be. They become very disoriented, they become
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Speaker 8: very frightened. Oftentimes they hide because that a survival mechanism.
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Speaker 8: Oftentimes they cover themselves up, they get underneath logs. Not
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Speaker 8: only the challenge of the terrain itself, but then you
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Speaker 8: have this very very small child in itself is going
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Speaker 8: to be very difficult to see, even in the best
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Speaker 8: of circumstances.
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Speaker 2: And to Karen Start joining US forensic psychologists ornow on
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Speaker 2: TV Radio Trauma Expert at Karenstart dot com. Karen, Okay,
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Speaker 2: just for a moment, don't think about the little six
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Speaker 2: year old. Think about the family when they realize he's gone.
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Speaker 2: And I'm still I got to get back with Steven
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Speaker 2: Tipper about this. I still don't get how they're camping,
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Speaker 2: they see him playing with the other children, they're packing,
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Speaker 2: they turn around, He's gone. I'm trying to figure out
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Speaker 2: that timeline. But think about them suddenly looking for him, Karen,
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Speaker 2: and they're upset and emotional, and they're going into the
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Speaker 2: trees and everybody's disseminating. It's basically all Hgal breaks loose.
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Speaker 9: Without a doubt, because how can you not he's so upset.
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Speaker 9: This is a six year old, their child, their grandchild,
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Speaker 9: their relative and friend, and everybody is searching for this
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Speaker 9: little boy. They would be in a complete panic, Nancy,
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Speaker 9: you would be. I would be what can happen?
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Speaker 7: Anything?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, put Karen the star cup please, Karen.
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Speaker 2: You and I talked after this happened. And this is
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Speaker 2: just a very small, very small comparison. I've told you
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Speaker 2: when John David about John David when he was before.
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Speaker 1: He was three, and we were in that giant.
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Speaker 2: Super Baby superstore and I was down crouchtywn trying to
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Speaker 2: find organic sunscreen.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, I stood up, I turned around.
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Speaker 2: There was Lucy. No John David. Remember. I picked Lucy
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Speaker 2: up like a football and started running and screaming to
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Speaker 2: lock the doors up front that my son was missing.
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Speaker 2: Now that you're talking, I've never thought about this before,
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Speaker 2: But everything else seemed to be a blur, like a
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Speaker 2: dark gray, reddish blur all around me except for clutching
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Speaker 2: Lucy and running to those front doors.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know why I was running toward the
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Speaker 1: front doors.
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Speaker 2: I guess to try to stop the doors from opening
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Speaker 2: somebody taking him out. Little did I know he was
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Speaker 2: playing hide and seek with mommy and was a few
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Speaker 2: rows away. But it took a minute to find him.
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Speaker 2: But when you say they get disoriented, that can happen
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Speaker 2: because you're so focused tunnel vision on where is You're
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Speaker 2: not thinking about what's happening around you, and.
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Speaker 9: They're like as you describe Nancy in suspended animation in
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Speaker 9: a way, because you.
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Speaker 1: Really don't know what to do.
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Speaker 9: You're not aware of what you're doing. You're hard to
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Speaker 9: stop gain breathe, and you're just panicking. How can you
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Speaker 9: not that's exactly what happened with you and John David.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out though, how he could get away,
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Speaker 2: Karen start and just like that, as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 2: I want you to hear these facts before we analyze
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Speaker 2: any further tonight. Where is this six year old little boy?
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Speaker 2: How did he just vanish into thin air?
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 4: As the family's packing up to head home, Darius Kaya
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Speaker 4: and a cousin are on a small island directly across
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Speaker 4: from the camping area, in clear view of the adults.
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Speaker 4: The children turn their back for a second and Darius
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Speaker 4: is gone. Father and grandfather immediately begin searching, going different
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Speaker 4: directions on the small island to cover the entire area,
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Speaker 4: planning to find Darius before they meet in the middle.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Tipper joining us investigative reporter with Post Media. Steven again,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight, Stephen. I'm still
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Speaker 2: trying to nail down exactly what happened, and I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying it didn't happen, just like they're describing it. I
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Speaker 2: remember when Samantha Runyon went missing, she was with her grandma,
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Speaker 2: and grandma was at I think the kitchen, seeing looking
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Speaker 2: out into the front yard where Samantha three was playing
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Speaker 2: with some other children, and a guy comes up and
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Speaker 2: takes her out of the front yard.
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Speaker 1: Just like that.
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Speaker 2: And before Grandma can get out there, he was gone
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Speaker 2: sixty mph. So it can't happen just like that. But
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Speaker 2: I need to understand the running case. Explain to me again,
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Speaker 2: how did this happen?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean they were packing up and getting
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Speaker 5: ready to leave, as you say, and I mean, you know,
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Speaker 5: they just turn their backs, that's what the family says,
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Speaker 5: and he was gone. You know, Darius is autistic. He
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Speaker 5: doesn't like loud noises or bright lights, and that kind
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Speaker 5: of did affect the search. You know, the searchers did
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Speaker 5: avoid those kinds of things that they avoided making loud
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Speaker 5: noises or broad lights during.
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Speaker 1: The search, Steve, And I don't understand that. I do
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Speaker 1: not understand.
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Speaker 2: How can you avoid loud noises and lights during a search.
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Speaker 2: You've got to call out for the boy, maybe on
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Speaker 2: a a loud speaker, maybe, you know, as it got darker,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that they were using bright lights. How were
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Speaker 2: they avoiding loud sounds and bright lights and searching for him?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean the best of the rabbits. I'm
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Speaker 5: sure that they were doing that. There were some sounds
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Speaker 5: that he found appealing as well. He had a favorite
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Speaker 5: song that they would use extensively during the search. They
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Speaker 5: didn't say what that song was, but certainly you know
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Speaker 5: there were efforts to try and appeal to Darius Steven.
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Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Would that be soothing to him?
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Speaker 2: Karen start. They were trying to play his favorite maybe
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Speaker 2: it was a lullaby. They haven't told us what the
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Speaker 2: song was, trying to find him and lure him out.
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Speaker 9: I think that that was a brilliant idea, Nancy, because
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Speaker 9: children who are artistic, they don't necessarily respond to calling
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Speaker 9: you their name. Sometimes they're afraid, sometimes they're distracted, and
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Speaker 9: yet they need to.
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Speaker 1: Be able to reach him.
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Speaker 9: So playing his favorite song that might be something that
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Speaker 9: he could respond to. They get easily distracted. That happens
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Speaker 9: all the time. They're impulsive, so and they get scared.
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Speaker 9: Any little child will get scared, but if you're artistic,
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Speaker 9: you're particularly scared frightened.
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Speaker 1: You're in the forest crime stories with Nanthy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now high profile Theattle lawyer Anne Bremner.
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Speaker 1: This is her neck of the woods.
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Speaker 2: She's a veteran trial lawyer, legal analyst, author of Justice
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Speaker 2: in the Age of Judgment, and Bremner, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. When we were just
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Speaker 2: describing and there's Steven Tipper talking about it from Post
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Speaker 2: Media and Karen Stark about playing the music. All I
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Speaker 2: can think about Anne is is I still call him Anne.
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Speaker 2: You haven't seen him in a couple of years, but
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Speaker 2: John David is six' six, now BUT i still think
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Speaker 2: of him as Little lucy and Baby John, david AND
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Speaker 2: i can just ALL i can do and is think
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Speaker 2: about Baby John david out in that forest And i'm
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Speaker 2: trying to play his favorite lullaby or song to lure him.
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Speaker 1: Out and a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of people have been attacking the family and the,
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Speaker 2: parents AND i really believe that is uncalled. For just
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Speaker 2: like WHEN i was in the, SUPERSTORE i was down
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Speaker 2: on a floor level shelf trying to find organic suntan
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Speaker 2: lotion AND i wasn't staring right At John david for
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Speaker 2: a good thirty seconds to a. Minute he had all
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Speaker 2: those little tennis shoes and he ran several miles. Away
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Speaker 2: it happens that the best parents have to load the.
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Speaker 2: Car the best, parents you, know go in the kitchen
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Speaker 2: to turn off the lady. PEACE i MEAN i Don't
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Speaker 2: and another, Thing Ane bremner regarding the attacks on the
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Speaker 2: family for one of the family members to have been
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Speaker 2: let's just put it out there to be responsible for his,
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Speaker 2: disappearance what is there a big conspiracy in all the
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Speaker 2: other family members are lying about, it not telling what they.
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Speaker 2: KNOW i find that hard to believe that other family
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Speaker 2: members are covering up for one family member that was
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Speaker 2: either negligent or intentionally vindictive or. EVIL i don't believe.
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Speaker 10: It, Well, nancy is such an honor and a pleasure
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Speaker 10: to be on with you, again and that's.
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Speaker 11: BRILLIANT i, mean you're.
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Speaker 10: RIGHT i, mean how could everybody there conspire to cover,
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Speaker 10: up you, know a disappearance that was something was caused
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Speaker 10: by one. PERSON i, mean that's just something that's going
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Speaker 10: to be so difficult to stop for.
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Speaker 11: Anybody and so the other thing, isn't.
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Speaker 10: Like you, said when someone's going through something that's, dramatic
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Speaker 10: like when you Lost John, david god forbid for a
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Speaker 10: short period.
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Speaker 11: Of, time why did the pylon you?
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Speaker 10: KNOW i think they're having to stop their comments on
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Speaker 10: social media because people are attacking, them you, know just
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Speaker 10: kicking them when they're.
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Speaker 11: Down they're trying to find their loved. One and you,
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Speaker 11: KNOW i.
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Speaker 10: Live in a state that's got a lot of mountains
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Speaker 10: and a lot of mostly trees In Washington state for,
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Speaker 10: trees and people get lost adults.
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Speaker 2: Too, okay And, branner you're a veteran trial, lawyer and
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Speaker 2: you got to give me more than. That you would
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Speaker 2: never stand in front of an appellate court where you've
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Speaker 2: been many, times or a trial judge where you've been
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Speaker 2: even more.
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Speaker 1: Times and, say, hey it.
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Speaker 2: HAPPENS i need to understand how it happened BECAUSE i
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Speaker 2: all used mark class as the gold. Standard and his, Daughter,
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Speaker 2: pauli went missing and police came to his.
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Speaker 1: Door the parents were separated and, said, hey your daughter's.
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Speaker 2: Missing he, said, fine take my, fingerprints look at my,
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Speaker 2: house go to my, office look at my. Car will
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Speaker 2: do whatever you have to do so YOU la law
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Speaker 2: enforcement can move on to find my daughter and who took.
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Speaker 1: Her and they, did and he was.
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Speaker 2: Cooperative these parents have been completely, cooperative but a lot
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Speaker 2: of people online are stuck on the. Parents, now let's
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Speaker 2: analyze why it's.
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Speaker 10: Not the family, well, YEAH i mean at the bottom
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Speaker 10: line is it, said why would they why would they do?
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Speaker 7: This and what's?
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Speaker 11: Simonaves and where do you?
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Speaker 10: GO i, mean where's the evidence that somehow they secreted him.
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Speaker 2: Some Believe now that's important because you AND i both
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Speaker 2: learned and not to say, why you, know why would
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Speaker 2: anybody kill their?
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Speaker 1: Child?
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Speaker 2: Why there is no good. Why but that's a good
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Speaker 2: point a go where where are you going to? Go
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Speaker 2: your whole family's, there your vehicles are.
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Speaker 1: There where are you going to hide the child and?
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Speaker 2: Me you would have to believe the entire group was
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Speaker 2: covering for one of the PURPSE I a.
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Speaker 1: The mom or. Dad that simply is not. Feasible, okay
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Speaker 1: listen to.
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Speaker 4: This searching the island and screaming his, Name darius seems
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Speaker 4: to have vanished into thin. Air nine to one one
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Speaker 4: is called and within twenty minutes a command post is
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Speaker 4: set up and. Organized searches by THE Rcmp search And rescue.
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Speaker 4: Begin the weather is in our.
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Speaker 12: Favor a young man does not suffer from any health.
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Speaker 7: Issues it's there is.
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Speaker 12: No reason to believe that there will not be a
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Speaker 12: positive Upcoming global.
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Speaker 3: News six year Old darius McDougall known for his infectious
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Speaker 3: laughter and playful, spirit joined his father and sister's girlfriend
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Speaker 3: on a camping. Trip they met up with family ready
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Speaker 3: to create cherished, memories but amids the joy an unthinkable
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Speaker 3: event was about.
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Speaker 2: Twentyfold straight out To stephen were joining us investigative reporter post.
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Speaker 2: Media could you explain to me who all was on
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Speaker 2: this camping. Trip they were there celebrating multiple. Birthdays who was?
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Speaker 5: There, yeah So darius's father is a grandfather of. Grandmother
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Speaker 5: the father's girlfriend and her daughter were there as well
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Speaker 5: as various and uncles and cousins were all.
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Speaker 2: There you, know To karen start joining us forensic. Psychologists many, people.
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Speaker 1: And i'm not agreeing with, them BUT i want to
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Speaker 1: address it with.
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Speaker 2: You many people are attacking the family saying they just
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Speaker 2: got tired of dealing with an autistic. CHILD i find
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Speaker 2: that vile to say.
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Speaker 1: The parents didn't care about him.
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Speaker 2: Because he's, autistic or they had just reached their, limit
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Speaker 2: so what they killed. Him i'm not buying into that at.
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Speaker 1: All could you play address?
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Speaker 10: That?
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Speaker 9: Well you, know that's what happens in these days is really,
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Speaker 9: terrible where people start attacking, somebody especially under these, circumstances
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Speaker 9: they're in traumatized by the loss of their. Child AND
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Speaker 9: i think that it's just so easy to attack someone
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Speaker 9: without understanding how difficult it is to deal with a
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Speaker 9: child who's. Autistic you could keep your eye on them
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Speaker 9: all the time in blink and they'd be. Gone they
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Speaker 9: are distracted so, easily they can't help, it and they're,
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Speaker 9: impulsive they run, away they're. Sensitive every noise could bother.
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Speaker 9: Them so it takes an incredible amount of. Work and
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Speaker 9: to blame the family for any of this is so, Sad.
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Speaker 9: Nancy it's sad that that keeps happening, too don't you, Think, well.
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Speaker 2: You, KNOW i get the feeling of some of the,
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Speaker 2: blamers you, know To Anne, bremner a high profile lawyer
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Speaker 2: joining us out Of, Seattle AND i think that for
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Speaker 2: a lot of, people it feels better to have somebody
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Speaker 2: to blame because you're, LIKE i THINK i know what
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Speaker 2: it is, actually And i'm going to ask our shrinks about.
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Speaker 2: This you, think, oh the family wasn't watching, Him that's
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Speaker 2: how he got, away that's why he's, missing because it
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Speaker 2: makes you feel safer because.
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Speaker 1: In your mind you're, like, WELL i would never do.
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Speaker 2: That you, know you can extrapolate this And, bremner for,
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Speaker 2: Instance i'm, whenever let's just think About Molly tibbets Or.
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Speaker 2: Karina there's so many when women are out jogging and
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Speaker 2: they get attacked and or. Murdered nay say or, say, oh,
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Speaker 2: well why was she jogging? Alone or why was she
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Speaker 2: jogging at? Night or why was she jogging in the
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Speaker 2: jogging BRA i, mean you can just feel in the
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Speaker 2: blame because it makes you feel, better makes you feel,
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Speaker 2: safe because you could, say, WELL i would never do.
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Speaker 2: THAT i wonder if people just need somebody to. Blame
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Speaker 2: but that's really not helping the search.
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Speaker 10: Effort, no but you're so right on and like Shaden,
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Speaker 10: freud AND i like looking at something like, this like
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Speaker 10: why do so many people like to watch and learn
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Speaker 10: about true?
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Speaker 11: Crime it's the same. THING i don't want it to
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Speaker 11: happen to.
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Speaker 10: Me it must have been, something must have been a jogging,
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Speaker 10: rot must have been where they went at, night it
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Speaker 10: must have been you, know anything that's to.
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Speaker 11: Look at and to. Blame and, finally you, know.
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Speaker 10: With social media these, days you know everybody's comment in
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Speaker 10: all these cases and they're, like oh, WELL i figure
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Speaker 10: the parents to get you.
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Speaker 11: Know all the kind of things we never really saw.
20:37
Speaker 10: Before when you see everything On twitter And facebook and
20:42
Speaker 10: TikTok and everything else is conspiracy theorists and those that
20:45
Speaker 10: want to blame families and blame people involved in a.
20:49
Speaker 10: Tragedy let's these cases get you, know investigated.
20:52
Speaker 11: In due, course then we'll know what the real. Situation
20:54
Speaker 11: there's another.
20:55
Speaker 2: Issue there, though a rimner Because Office gibbons joining, Me
20:59
Speaker 2: Brian fitzgibbons FROM Uspa Nationwide, Security. Brian the statistics are
21:05
Speaker 2: when a child goes missing or is, killed overwhelmingly it's
21:12
Speaker 2: someone close to the, child the, parents the, auntie the
21:18
Speaker 2: next door Neighbor i'm moving out, now the, neighbor some
21:22
Speaker 2: weird teacher that has an fixation on the, child but
21:25
Speaker 2: typically within the. Family so there is that statistic that
21:30
Speaker 2: doesn't make it true, here but that statistic is.
21:33
Speaker 6: Looming the numbers don't lie about, That, nancy that is for,
21:38
Speaker 6: sure and in this case it's.
21:40
Speaker 7: Not you, Know i'll, disagree you know with the previous.
21:45
Speaker 7: Comment you know this is not a. Conspiracy it's not
21:48
Speaker 7: out of the.
21:49
Speaker 6: Ordinary you, know this group was isolated, camping so no
21:54
Speaker 6: one else effectively was near nearby them or knew who
21:58
Speaker 6: this boy, was so for the public to show a
22:03
Speaker 6: tremendous amount of concern that it was that you, know
22:08
Speaker 6: had something to do with the, parents it doesn't surprise.
22:10
Speaker 7: Me i'm not saying that they. Did it just does
22:13
Speaker 7: not surprise.
22:14
Speaker 10: Me.
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Speaker 1: GUYS i just want to give you a tip line
22:16
Speaker 1: really quickly.
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Speaker 2: For zero three five six two two eight six six
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Speaker 2: repeat four zero three five six two two eight sixty.
22:26
Speaker 1: Six so the search is.
22:28
Speaker 3: On initially you go from a point last scene and
22:32
Speaker 3: you can expand your radius from.
22:34
Speaker 7: There we relying our search and rescue experts for.
22:37
Speaker 12: That there are two small rivers that are also in.
22:41
Speaker 12: Play there's a large bog that we continue to search
22:46
Speaker 12: and some fairly, steep rugged forested.
22:50
Speaker 2: Terrain from our friends At Global news trade back out to,
22:53
Speaker 2: You Stephen.
22:54
Speaker 1: Tipper what is he describing a large?
22:58
Speaker 5: BOG i mean that was among the the bodies of
23:04
Speaker 5: water that would searched more than once during the eleven
23:09
Speaker 5: days that they were looking. For there's it, was you,
23:13
Speaker 5: know there were extensive resources obviously pulled in and you
23:17
Speaker 5: know that was among them the areas that we.
23:21
Speaker 2: Searched Doctor Trey sargent joining US PhD in, psychology but
23:26
Speaker 2: also previously search rescue recovery.
23:29
Speaker 1: Expert my understanding of what.
23:32
Speaker 2: A bog is is like a freshwater.
23:36
Speaker 1: Marsh it's, spongy.
23:41
Speaker 2: Quicksand would be overstating, it but mushy earth kind of like,
23:48
Speaker 2: MUD i would, say with some growth in, it such
23:52
Speaker 2: as reeds or. Cattails that's HOW i picture. Bog very
23:57
Speaker 2: difficult to search. In but Also i'm wondering if a
24:01
Speaker 2: little boy like this little boy can get in that
24:05
Speaker 2: and get into the bog and perish in the bog
24:08
Speaker 2: is kind of like a, soft spongy accumulation of, dirt,
24:15
Speaker 2: clay and.
24:16
Speaker 1: Plant, Right, Yeah so.
24:18
Speaker 8: The bog itself is exactly as you Describe, nancy and
24:23
Speaker 8: looking at the clips of the search, area it's really
24:26
Speaker 8: extremely difficult to find this child in those kind of.
24:30
Speaker 8: Conditions and now you add the, bolls the water and
24:34
Speaker 8: just really extremely extraordinary different for difficult. Circumstances it's really
24:40
Speaker 8: going to take all types of resources to find this,
24:43
Speaker 8: child from, dults the helicopter, searchers, drones, ATVs EVEN forrceba.
24:50
Speaker 8: Voters every kind of resource is going to be needed
24:54
Speaker 8: to find this. Child and this extremely difficult search Conditions
25:00
Speaker 8: ryan n there working under.
25:02
Speaker 2: Well the search to rescue volunteers mount to over four
25:07
Speaker 2: hundred people.
25:08
Speaker 13: Listen more than four hundred search and rescue volunteers from
25:11
Speaker 13: fifty teams or to search For. Darius these volunteers contributed
25:15
Speaker 13: to eleven thousand hours of search effort on the. Ground
25:18
Speaker 13: they were joined by sixty members of THE Rcmp Specialized
25:21
Speaker 13: Tactical Support group that were directly involved.
25:23
Speaker 14: In searching For.
25:24
Speaker 13: Darius the search extended up to twelve kilometers from Where
25:26
Speaker 13: darius was last. Seen the distance traveled by ground search
25:29
Speaker 13: assets inside that twenty two square kilometers on field tasks
25:33
Speaker 13: was more than fivesy three hundred. Kilometers the search extended
25:36
Speaker 13: up to twelve kilometers from Where darius was last. Seen
25:39
Speaker 13: the distance traveled by ground search assets inside that twenty
25:42
Speaker 13: two square kilometers on field tasks was more than five,
25:45
Speaker 13: thousand three hundred.
25:46
Speaker 1: Kilometers Great City.
25:47
Speaker 3: News just across the, Creek darius was playing with other
25:50
Speaker 3: children near the, campsite and the adults.
25:52
Speaker 7: Were keeping a watchful.
25:53
Speaker 3: Eye but in a single fleeding moment of, distraction Feel darius.
25:57
Speaker 2: Vanished joining Me, Now Crime stories investigative reporter on the,
26:01
Speaker 2: Case Dave Matt, dave let me understand What i'm just.
26:05
Speaker 1: Hearing so.
26:08
Speaker 2: The little Boy varius is on the other side of
26:13
Speaker 2: a river.
26:13
Speaker 1: Or a, stream playing on an. Island, What, yeah It's.
26:18
Speaker 14: Nancy the camping area actually is right on the. Water
26:23
Speaker 14: and you're talking about an area that has it does
26:25
Speaker 14: have creeks and streams and. Ponds in this particular, case
26:29
Speaker 14: you've got a creak and it's not a big. Distance
26:32
Speaker 14: it's right, there maybe twenty thirty, Yards, nancy and they
26:36
Speaker 14: can see the children playing on this little. Island, now
26:39
Speaker 14: as a, parent when your children are with other, children
26:43
Speaker 14: we tend to feel a little bit safer in what's taking.
26:46
Speaker 7: Place whole safety in, numbers.
26:48
Speaker 14: And while they're packing, up they're all keeping an eye
26:51
Speaker 14: on the. Children it's not just one parent's, child it's
26:55
Speaker 14: multiple parents and family members that are watching after these
26:58
Speaker 14: children that are playing in a Confined that's the shocking
27:02
Speaker 14: part of all of this is that they were right
27:04
Speaker 14: there and the children are the ones that that we
27:08
Speaker 14: turned our back and he was.
27:09
Speaker 4: Gone friends and family create A facebook Page Bring darius McDougall,
27:13
Speaker 4: home where the family posts their first message to the.
27:16
Speaker 4: Public in the, post they explain arriving at the campsite
27:20
Speaker 4: On friday with the extended family members together and celebrate.
27:23
Speaker 1: What they call a few.
27:24
Speaker 4: Birthdays as the adults packed to go, home the kids
27:27
Speaker 4: are playing on the island adjacent the camp just across
27:30
Speaker 4: the creek where the adults could see. Them Darius kaya
27:33
Speaker 4: and a cousin were walking playing together with other kids close.
27:36
Speaker 4: By they turned their backs And darius was.
27:39
Speaker 2: Gone, okay, granted it doesn't make sense to. Me they
27:43
Speaker 2: turn their back and now he's. Gone Steven, Tipper i'm
27:48
Speaker 2: not saying that's not. Correct i'm just trying to understand
27:54
Speaker 2: SO i can piece together some similars of a, timeline
27:57
Speaker 2: because nobody can Just. Dan it's like that when you
28:01
Speaker 2: turn your back and you turn back. Around there had
28:04
Speaker 2: to be some intervening time period.
28:07
Speaker 1: Something what are you.
28:10
Speaker 5: LEARNING i, mean there's been, little but it's been you,
28:15
Speaker 5: know given to us by the, family other than the
28:18
Speaker 5: public statement that they made this, week you, know and
28:22
Speaker 5: THE rcmp said that they were they see the call
28:27
Speaker 5: at eleven thirty on That sunday, morning and you know
28:32
Speaker 5: of a missing. Boy there's you, know that's the call
28:38
Speaker 5: came in about after an app about an hour after
28:42
Speaker 5: the family had begun their search For, darius.
28:45
Speaker 2: You, know And brimner right there they waited an hour
28:48
Speaker 2: to call nine one. ONE i also do not find that.
28:53
Speaker 2: Disturbing And i'll tell you. Why unlike a child that
28:57
Speaker 2: goes missing from their own, home when the child is
29:01
Speaker 2: supposed to be asleep and you go in the next
29:04
Speaker 2: morning and they're, gone this is a lot.
29:06
Speaker 1: Different because they're out. Camping they started.
29:09
Speaker 2: Looking for him, first and then when they couldn't find,
29:12
Speaker 2: him they called nine one.
29:14
Speaker 1: ONE i don't find that, Unusual? Ambrimner not at?
29:17
Speaker 14: All, YEAH i don't either an.
29:19
Speaker 11: ANSWER i, mean the fact is is that they're, thinking,
29:21
Speaker 11: well he's got to be here.
29:22
Speaker 10: SOMEWHERE i, mean you, know he was just here with,
29:23
Speaker 10: everybody and everyone just faun him and so they. LOOKED
29:27
Speaker 10: i think an hour is not. EXTREME i mean that.
29:31
Speaker 11: The fact is they might have looked for him for
29:33
Speaker 11: more than an, hour you, know being satisfied they could find,
29:36
Speaker 11: him you.
29:36
Speaker 1: Know BUT i do have anne uh control and thinking
29:41
Speaker 1: you go back to those.
29:42
Speaker 2: Pictures of the forest where the searchers are, GATHERED i
29:46
Speaker 2: don't understand looking at this, picture how.
29:52
Speaker 1: Where he. Was he was across.
29:54
Speaker 2: From them on an, island but they could see. Him
29:59
Speaker 2: AND i have a also a problem with the, time
30:02
Speaker 2: not the hour that they search for.
30:03
Speaker 1: HIM i get, that BUT.
30:07
Speaker 2: I still am not buying into he was there and
30:10
Speaker 2: they turned their back and then he was.
30:12
Speaker 1: Gone that's like three. Seconds so what really?
30:16
Speaker 2: Happened were they playing hide and go seek and he
30:20
Speaker 2: was hiding and then he was? GONE i Just i'm
30:25
Speaker 2: not the timeline is concerning to. Me let me look at.
30:29
Speaker 2: That how can you say he was? THERE i turned my,
30:33
Speaker 2: BACK i turned, around he was. Gone that part's not
30:35
Speaker 2: making sense to. Me but let's hear from the mom.
30:40
Speaker 15: As a mother who is very concerned about her. Son
30:42
Speaker 15: i'm pleading with my entire being if anyone Knows i've seen,
30:45
Speaker 15: anything tell the police anything From september twenty first time
30:49
Speaker 15: now when The coses passed.
30:50
Speaker 1: Area that can.
30:50
Speaker 15: Help please keep Saying darius's photo on social media update
30:54
Speaker 15: so that his beautiful face is out.
30:55
Speaker 1: There we've just exhausted all search.
31:00
Speaker 2: Tactics there's just nothing else for us to search at this.
31:03
Speaker 2: Time but there's nothing to indicate foul play is. Involved,
31:07
Speaker 2: okay she's saying, That Corporal Gina, slaney she's saying there
31:14
Speaker 2: is nothing to indicate foul play is, Involved so then
31:20
Speaker 2: where is? He? Guys that's for our friends At Bridge
31:23
Speaker 2: To news AND. Cbc, brian that seems inconsistent to.
31:27
Speaker 6: Me, yeah that is, inconsistent, right because if you knew,
31:30
Speaker 6: that if you could rule out that there was no foul,
31:33
Speaker 6: play we would either have Found darius or we would
31:36
Speaker 6: have found evidence of what may have. Transpired, Right so
31:41
Speaker 6: it's impossible to rule out foul play here in my, opinion.
31:47
Speaker 1: How a Little, Yeah how can you just right off
31:50
Speaker 1: the bat rule out foul? Play how did they get to?
31:53
Speaker 8: That?
31:53
Speaker 6: Brian, yeah it seems that's kind of a whitewashing. Statement
31:58
Speaker 6: there's no way to say that definitively. Right SO i
32:03
Speaker 6: would have to, assume Or i'd like to assume that
32:06
Speaker 6: there is an ongoing investigation, here given That darius has
32:11
Speaker 6: not been found and nobody has been, recovered that the
32:15
Speaker 6: police are still interviewing and speaking, with particularly the children
32:22
Speaker 6: that were supposedly on that walk with.
32:23
Speaker 1: The crime stores With Nancy.
32:30
Speaker 2: Grace you, Know i'm just trying to figure out again
32:37
Speaker 2: regarding this Terrain Crowsness, pass.
32:41
Speaker 1: Is it heavily?
32:43
Speaker 2: Camped are there a lot of campers, hikers travelers.
32:46
Speaker 1: There, Steven, yes for.
32:48
Speaker 5: SURE i mean there are several campgrounds in the. AREA
32:51
Speaker 5: i mean it is a popular spot to go camping
32:54
Speaker 5: in The Rockies, theirs and it's but, YEAH i mean
32:59
Speaker 5: there are are you, know lots of people enjoy going
33:03
Speaker 5: to that area during the summer in the, fall and,
33:08
Speaker 5: yeah so it's it's A i, mean it's a picture as,
33:12
Speaker 5: spot you, know to spend weekend away kind. Of so,
33:18
Speaker 5: yeah it's it's pretty.
33:20
Speaker 1: Popular, Okay Fitz, gibbons think this through with me for
33:25
Speaker 1: just one.
33:26
Speaker 2: Moment we keep referring to this as a remote, area
33:31
Speaker 2: but the town itself has about fifty seven hundred in.
33:37
Speaker 1: Population but wait for.
33:39
Speaker 2: This according to The, atlas around three hundred thousand people
33:46
Speaker 2: visit are walking Through Crow's nest every.
33:50
Speaker 1: Year put, Up Fis, gibbs, Please so it's not like
33:54
Speaker 1: the family is out there all by. Themselves.
33:58
Speaker 2: Right you ever heard the Name Israel? Keys is that
34:01
Speaker 2: ringing a? Bell he was one of the most prolific
34:04
Speaker 2: serial killers in THE us, ever and he went under the.
34:09
Speaker 1: Radar but one.
34:10
Speaker 2: Place he liked to stalk his victims national, PARKS rv,
34:16
Speaker 2: camps people that were camping.
34:19
Speaker 1: Intents he loved.
34:20
Speaker 2: It and he spoke of, it and his words were
34:26
Speaker 2: matched up with actual victims that prior to his speaking
34:31
Speaker 2: had been unsolved. Aumicides so this is like a stalker
34:36
Speaker 2: of predator's happy hunting. Ground what do you think about
34:42
Speaker 2: that three hundred thousand strangers a, Year.
34:47
Speaker 6: Hey could be and you, know certainly for transient and you,
34:54
Speaker 6: know serial, killers.
34:57
Speaker 7: Folks with nefarious.
34:58
Speaker 6: Intentions the these places that have very limited, control campgrounds
35:05
Speaker 6: and things like that are hunting grounds for. Them so
35:10
Speaker 6: is there a possibility That darius was separated from his
35:14
Speaker 6: group and was. Abducted certainly there's enough people there to
35:20
Speaker 6: make that, possible and it's isolated enough.
35:23
Speaker 7: To make the search very.
35:24
Speaker 6: Difficult so this is really the worst of a lot
35:27
Speaker 6: of potential scenarios.
35:29
Speaker 4: Here the search For darius includes volunteers and experts. Alike
35:33
Speaker 4: ground personnel were supported by, helicopters, drones, dogs, horses boat mounted,
35:38
Speaker 4: sonar swift water rescue and underwater search. Teams it is
35:42
Speaker 4: a massive operation involving multiple. Agencies the search and rescue
35:45
Speaker 4: teams covered thirteen square miles over rough terrain and found no,
35:50
Speaker 4: clothing no, footprints no signs Of.
35:52
Speaker 7: Darius were.
35:53
Speaker 4: Found two volunteer teams of cadaver dogs also searched the
35:57
Speaker 4: area and detected no trace Of.
35:59
Speaker 1: Darius, no, no this is really not fitting.
36:04
Speaker 2: Together now to a doctor trace, sergeant you don't have a, shoe,
36:10
Speaker 2: clothing a, toy, nothing and cadaver dogs search and don't find.
36:17
Speaker 1: Anything what people.
36:19
Speaker 8: Don't realize our end goal with all these resources is
36:23
Speaker 8: to Find. Darius but what is just as important as
36:26
Speaker 8: using all these resources to eliminate areas to, say you know,
36:30
Speaker 8: what we don't know Where darius, is but we can
36:33
Speaker 8: say definitively he's not, here which actually helps mooth the
36:38
Speaker 8: investigation forward and even answer some of those questions that
36:42
Speaker 8: many people.
36:42
Speaker 1: Have, yeah what about, it Fitz.
36:44
Speaker 2: Gibbons not only do they fail to find any trace of,
36:48
Speaker 2: him like a, toy he had a, shoe a, sock,
36:51
Speaker 2: clothing a, shirt they also don't get a hit from
36:56
Speaker 2: any of the cadaver.
36:57
Speaker 1: Dogs so there he. Is he either he's there hiding.
37:02
Speaker 2: Alive well that's or he's been completely removed from the,
37:07
Speaker 2: area or those cadaver dogs would have hit on him
37:10
Speaker 2: even in a Bog, yeah.
37:13
Speaker 7: You would, Think, Nancy and remember this is a six
37:16
Speaker 7: year old. Boy, okay he's.
37:18
Speaker 6: Not going to cover that much terrain by. Foot and
37:22
Speaker 6: you had police searching rescue. Groups there were upwards of
37:26
Speaker 6: four hundred individuals.
37:29
Speaker 7: Involved by the seventh day of this. Search they were
37:33
Speaker 7: in line on a grid, search, okay shoulder to.
37:35
Speaker 6: Shoulder you, know you had, helicopters thermal imaging, drones people on,
37:42
Speaker 6: horseback you had swift, teams boat teams searching river beds
37:49
Speaker 6: and where the swift waters. Were so there was a
37:53
Speaker 6: very extensive search that took. Place here they've narrowed down
37:57
Speaker 6: and said some of these areas he's definitely not in
38:00
Speaker 6: no sign of him in.
38:01
Speaker 7: There. Okay so now you're, thinking was there animal?
38:05
Speaker 6: Activity there is a high bear population, Here what could happen?
38:10
Speaker 7: There would we find? Something would though you would still
38:13
Speaker 7: hit with that kibbons if that were.
38:15
Speaker 2: The, case if a bear or creature had gotten, him
38:18
Speaker 2: we would still have adverdog.
38:20
Speaker 7: Hit you.
38:21
Speaker 6: Know the only thing there is you, know he could
38:23
Speaker 6: be taking miles and miles away outside of that.
38:26
Speaker 7: Grid that would be the only.
38:29
Speaker 2: The only piece by a, creature because the creature is
38:32
Speaker 2: not going to take a boy miles and miles. AWAY
38:36
Speaker 2: a person, would but not a, creature a creature was
38:39
Speaker 2: stout to, eat it's a, victim not miles and miles
38:43
Speaker 2: and miles. Away he would go back to its layer
38:46
Speaker 2: and eat the. Victim at, WORST i believe from What
38:50
Speaker 2: i've learned in past cases that the, creature the imaginary
38:54
Speaker 2: creature would eat the victim before it got to its.
38:59
Speaker 2: LAYER a human would absolutely take the tile miles and miles.
39:03
Speaker 1: Away so, correct where are you going with?
39:06
Speaker 7: That, No i'm saying.
39:09
Speaker 6: That you, know it's it's conceivable that a bear could
39:13
Speaker 6: carry its victim quite some.
39:16
Speaker 7: Distance so there's. That and, also you know what we
39:22
Speaker 7: brought up.
39:22
Speaker 6: Before you, know if there was nefarious play here and
39:26
Speaker 6: there was a.
39:27
Speaker 7: Human moving, him you, know and that's quite quite.
39:31
Speaker 2: Possible, Yeah and if a human moved, him we would
39:34
Speaker 2: get a scent dog. Hit you remember When Lacy peterson was, Taken,
39:38
Speaker 2: well that was, her that was her, body but a
39:41
Speaker 2: god everdog followed her scent all the way from her
39:44
Speaker 2: home On cozena In modesto all the way to The
39:49
Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay.
39:50
Speaker 1: Marina, okay so a regular scent dog would have picked
39:55
Speaker 1: up on. Him but then there's another shot to the.
39:58
Speaker 4: Family in another shot to the family Of. Darius Kyle,
40:01
Speaker 4: warrior the six year old playing With darius at the
40:04
Speaker 4: time he went, missing has now passed away At Children's
40:07
Speaker 4: hospital from a medical. Emergency investigators say her death was
40:11
Speaker 4: not criminal and not related to darius. Disappearance kyle was
40:14
Speaker 4: the daughter Of dallas McDougall's, Girlfriend. Buffy they were on
40:18
Speaker 4: the camping trip With dallas And darius and participated in
40:21
Speaker 4: the search.
40:22
Speaker 1: And, bremner high Profile seattle defense.
40:25
Speaker 2: Lawyer i've said a million times there is no coincidence
40:28
Speaker 2: in criminal. Law but we're being told the girlfriend who
40:34
Speaker 2: was on the trip with her Boyfriend darius's father When
40:39
Speaker 2: darius goes, missing now her, Child, kiya also six years,
40:47
Speaker 2: old playing With darius at the time he goes.
40:49
Speaker 1: Missing she's. Dead What, no you're, right.
40:54
Speaker 11: There are no coincidences in criminal.
40:56
Speaker 10: Law and, man, see you're exactly right in the deal
40:59
Speaker 10: saying that he doesn't strike.
41:00
Speaker 11: TWICE i, mean it's WHEN.
41:04
Speaker 10: I saw, THAT i thought that IF i were the,
41:05
Speaker 10: Prosecutor i'd be paying a lot more attention to this.
41:08
Speaker 2: Case the search is still on for six year Old.
41:13
Speaker 2: Darius where is? He there's no sign that he's. Dead
41:19
Speaker 2: hence we are left to Believe darius is a live
41:24
Speaker 2: sum where.
41:26
Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything.
41:28
Speaker 2: About this, child think of your own children at this tender.
41:33
Speaker 1: Age please dial four zero three five six' two two eight.
41:38
Speaker 1: Six six repeat four zero three five six' two two.
41:42
Speaker 1: Eight six' six.
41:44
Speaker 2: Now we remember, An American, Hero Firefighter Isabella, oskarson idaho department,
41:51
Speaker 2: land just twenty six killed in, the line of duty leaving,
41:56
Speaker 2: Behind her Grieving. Parents kelvin And Kathleen American Hero Firefighter
42:03
Speaker 2: isabella oskarson nancy grace, signing off goodbye friend