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Ep 51: 10 Years of Trauma Specialists - a Live Episode · The Mental Health Evolution

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Welcome to Mental Health Evolution, a podcast about
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what's changing in mental health and why it
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matters.
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I'm your host, Rachel Harrison, inviting you into
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honest conversations with people from all perspectives in
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the field, clinicians, tech founders, investors, insurance companies,
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and all the folks in between.
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Let's explore what's working, what's not, and what's
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Welcome back, everyone, to the Mental Health Evolution
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podcast, where we talk about the mental health
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industry and the changing landscape.
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Today is a very different day for our
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podcast because I am not going to be
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hosting.
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Instead, I am going to introduce two of
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my friends who are going to be hosting
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this podcast, and I am going to be
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interviewed.
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But before I do that, I would like
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to introduce Tom Lynch and Carlos Klein.
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So first, Tom.
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For more than 45 years, Tom has had
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the honor of serving others as a lawyer
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in the beautiful state of Maryland, initially in
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Baltimore and thereafter in Frederick, with his firm
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Miles and Stockbridge, integrating a new office into
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the Miles family.
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When taking the oath as a lawyer, Tom
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committed himself always to strive for excellence while
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observing the highest standards of professionalism with colleagues,
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clients, and the courts and opposing counsels and
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their clients.
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As of May 1, 2021, Tom retired and
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has worked part-time primarily as a mediator
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for the courts since then.
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This has given Tom time to provide greater
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service to this community, one of Tom's highest
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priorities.
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Since coming to Frederick, Tom has served as
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Chair of the Board of the Community Foundation,
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Frederick Community College, and of the Chamber of
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Commerce.
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He has also served on the Board of
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the YMCA.
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Most recently, Tom had the honor of chairing
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the Charter Review Committee for the City of
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Frederick.
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Tom has two daughters, Rebecca and Sarah, who
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are out and about in the world accomplishing
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remarkable things in their respective professions, but his
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most important attribute is being the support system
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for his wife, Carlos Klein, in her daily
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task of doing good and spreading joy in
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this great city.
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Welcome Tom.
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Absolutely, too.
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I'm the support system.
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And Carlos Klein is a leader known for
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her community service and philanthropic activities.
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Without knowing anyone in Frederick, Carlos moved here
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in 1990.
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Her earlier career had been successful in New
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York and Philadelphia with the Jones New York
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Company.
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In Frederick, she switched careers completely by working
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her way up from Gal Friday to Vice
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President with a very large building manufacturing company.
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By 2009, she retired and dedicated her time
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to improving the lives of women in Frederick
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County.
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This was accomplished mainly by creating the Women's
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Giving Circle.
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Carlos has participated on the board or committees
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of over 42 local nonprofits and businesses.
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Her passion is to connect the dots with
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no agenda or reward, desiring only to make
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the community a better place.
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A few of her boards include the Women's
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Giving Circle, Frederick Health, Homewood, Rotary, Frederick Arts
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Council, FCC Foundation, Mental Health Association, Downtown Frederick
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Partnership, United Way, Habitat for Humanity.
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Tom encourages her to spread joy and do
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good, and they vacation in Frederick because they
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love their lives in this community.
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Carlos is grateful every day for the opportunity
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to give back wherever she's needed.
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Thank you, Carlos.
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Thank you.
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And now I am turning it over to
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both of you to be the hosts of
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the podcast today.
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Okay, well, I'm going to start.
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And I can't tell you how tickled I
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am to be here with you.
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What an honor.
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And I am probably one of your biggest
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fans since I've met you years ago.
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And I want to talk a little bit
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about how I met you.
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Someone recommended that I meet this therapist named
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Rachel Harrison.
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And in my mind, you were a soul
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practitioner.
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I don't research anybody that I meet with.
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And so as we're sitting there, I said,
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well, where's your office?
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And you said at the time, it was
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five locations.
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And she said, I have five locations.
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I said, wow, like, how do you run
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between all those locations?
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I had no idea that you had this
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thriving, gigantic practice.
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And then you proceeded to explain EMDR to
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me, which I thought was such an amazing
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concept.
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And ever since then, I've just followed you
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and applauded you.
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And I'm grateful to know you.
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So I guess, Tom.
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I'll say a few words about, well, first,
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greetings all for all of you that are
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here.
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Thank you for sharing this time with us.
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And thank you so much, Rachel, for your
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kind introduction.
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And to be frank about it, Carlos and
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I are so thrilled to be here for
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your 10th anniversary celebration to be included in
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this.
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So we really appreciate your including us.
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And we're humbled by the opportunity.
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For those of you that know me that
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are here or that watch this podcast at
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some point, you're probably scratching your heads and
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saying, what's a reasonably well-adjusted, apparently senior
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doing in a place like this, especially when
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it's not my profession?
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It has nothing to do with my profession
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and my professional life.
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Well, the answer is pretty straightforward.
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About a little over two years ago, over
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a breakfast on a Sunday morning, which we
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typically share, Carlos and I, we came to
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the consensus view that I was damaged goods.
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And so I am here as a patient
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who came to EMDR after more than 50
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years from the date of the trauma events
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I experienced as a child and up through
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my adolescent and teen years.
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So I approached, well, we had that conversation.
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Carlos, by happenstance, had just met Rachel and
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said, I just heard about this.
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You might want to think about it.
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No pressure.
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But I thought about it for a couple
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of days and ended up calling and getting
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an appointment to get into EMDR therapy, which
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I did.
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And to be frank about it, given that
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I am a lawyer, I approached it with
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skepticism.
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Complete skepticism, as you would expect from a
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lawyer in anything we do.
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But after eight sessions, I emerged from EMDR
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not only a true believer, but frankly, it
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was transformative for me as a person.
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It was transformative for me as a person.
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It was also transformative for me in my
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relationship to my two daughters, who are, as
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you heard, grown and out and about the
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world.
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But equally important, it was transformative in my
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relationship with my four siblings from whom I
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had been disconnected for 35 years.
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Truly disconnected for 35 years because we had
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shared trauma, which blew up our family and
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were completely disconnected for a very long time,
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never having convened the five of us.
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So it introduced me to the capacity to
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bring the group together, which we did that
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spring after I completed the EMDR and actually
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just had our second annual meeting of the
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Lynch clan up in Massachusetts.
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And the restoring of the relationships with my
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siblings is something that I can now, frankly,
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go to my grave in peace.
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I have accomplished something that, but for EMDR,
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I would never have accomplished in life.
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And so that's why I'm here.
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I'm the patient.
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I love that perspective, Tom.
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Well, so trauma therapy is a word that
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I think many people have heard, but I
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don't know that the general public knows of
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EMDR. So let's go back to where, when
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you started, how did you decide on concentrating
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on EMDR?
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And then secondly, I think you should share
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when you made your decision to go from
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solo practitioner to expanding.
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Yeah, so I was a therapist for about
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10 years before I was trained in EMDR.
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And then once I got trained, that really
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started to change and transform what was happening
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in therapy with my clients.
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So much so that I started saying, I
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really love this stuff and eventually became a
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consultant and then a trainer training other therapists
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to do that.
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And I became very passionate about it.
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You know me, I'm pretty passionate.
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If I really like something, I'm going to
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be all in on something.
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And so I started saying, I really think
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all therapists need to know how to do
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this.
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Because we can only take people so far.
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You heard me say earlier today, being trauma
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informed is amazing in the therapy room, but
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that doesn't actually treat the trauma.
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And that is what we do in EMDR.
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It's an evidence-based approach, and we're able
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to actually treat trauma, literally changing how the
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brain experiences the trauma going forward.
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Which allows people that freedom, allows them not
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to have triggers, all of those things.
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And so I had also become a trainer
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in EMDR. And sitting down to think about
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creating this practice, I said, I really want
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it to be called trauma specialist.
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But at the time, there really were no
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practices named that.
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I thought this is such a risk because
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people are going to potentially be turned off
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by that.
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You know, I don't have trauma or what
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does this actually mean?
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But I really wanted it to represent who
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we are, which the vision was to have
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a group of therapists that we do have
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that are excellent at actually treating trauma and
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setting people free and hopefully influencing their communities
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from there for good.
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Well, congratulations also on the 10 years.
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And I look at some of the statistics.
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You've had 10,000 clients, which is amazing.
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So the seven locations, the 10 years, how
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did you get the word out?
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How did you let people know what EMDR
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is?
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Because it's complicated.
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You weren't too afraid of the risk of
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taking on the name trauma specialist?
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Oh, yeah.
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Just curious.
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100%.
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I thought this could crash and burn.
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But to someone today said, like, as entrepreneurs,
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right, we take big risks.
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It was like, well, this is either going
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to go really well or really bad.
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I have no idea.
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I have no idea.
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But spreading the word, I don't really know.
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I just think I talked about it all
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the time because I love it.
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So I don't know.
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And then as I trained more people and
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they have experiences, and Tom, like your experience,
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people who experience EMDR tend to talk to
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other people and tend to have that positive.
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And I think really word of mouth is
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what grew the practice more than anything else.
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Did you encounter any resistance in formulating this
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new approach?
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And just curious, because anytime you launch out
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on a new branch that maybe no one's
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been out on before you.
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Definitely.
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I think some people are still hesitant to
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approach us because of our name, maybe, and
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saying, I don't really have trauma.
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I just want treatment for depression or whatever.
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I think the other form of resistance, honestly,
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has been from the clinical side and other
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clinicians or practice owners who are taking a
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different approach.
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And there's some disputes in our world about
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which approach is better kind of thing.
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So that's where I've had the most difficulty.
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Well, I came to EMDR, as we just
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discussed, accidentally kind of because of a conversation
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we were having on a Sunday morning.
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And Carla's brought the subject up of, you
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know, she was concerned about the fact that
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I was always sleep deprived and I had
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restless leg syndrome.
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And she explained to me, which I didn't
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realize, startle reflex, which was chronic, that affected
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her sleep, obviously, and then affected my sleep.
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And we had the conversation, it got very
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deep because I said, you know, I'm frustrated
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as a human being and regret that there
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are so many things that I think I
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could have accomplished despite my success that I
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didn't accomplish.
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She said, why do you think that is?
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I think it's because, and I said, I
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think it's because of the trauma that I
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encountered as a juvenile, especially in my teen
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years.
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And so she then introduced me to the
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fact that there was this concept.
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And I went to it.
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But as I said, I came with total
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skepticism because, you know, it's 50 years in
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the rearview mirror.
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Do I really want to revisit all this
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stuff now at this stage in my life?
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So I would be interested in knowing, because,
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you know, I went through the eight steps
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that you went through in an eight session.
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And as I say, it was transformative for
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me.
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But if you have somebody like me that
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comes challenged, but is skeptical, how do you
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get beyond the skepticism?
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And is there a point at which being
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skeptical and a nonbeliever, in addition to having
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the psychological resistance to want to reopen the
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can of worms that is back there?
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How do you get a patient like that
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to move beyond that and actually accomplish something
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through the therapy?
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There's, I think, a lot of layers to
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that.
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But at the end of the day, I
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think people that are skeptical are my favorites.
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I'm proud of myself.
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A lawyer does a good thing.
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That's great, right?
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Because EMDR is really designed as a modality
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to follow the client's brain.
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And so we're not trying to force anything.
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We're trying to facilitate you experiencing your own
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healing journey and listening to your own brain
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and what it needs.
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And so there's an opportunity there for you
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to be able to try it out.
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But if anyone doesn't want to try it
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out, I don't think it's our job to
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overcome that.
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Well, do you have patients that come to
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you that want relief, but they can't get
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beyond the fact of not wanting to reopen
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the can?
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Yes.
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I mean, that's scary for all of us,
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right?
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And we have different things that we do
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therapeutically that can really help with that.
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But I often say what takes the longest
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amount of time is getting a client ready
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for EMDR. Once we start EMDR, the process
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is generally pretty quick.
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I can say as an observer of him
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going through it, the trauma that happened to
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him as a young man, he never spoke
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about it.
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Just it was one comment one time, and
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he said, I don't want to talk about
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it.
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And after he had gone through eight sessions
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of EMDR, which I never interfered and asked,
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how's it going?
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I just let him go through it.
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We were at dinner with Andrea Chaplin Delane,
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who is the president of Hood and her
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husband.
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All of a sudden, Tom said, do you
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know what EMDR is?
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And they were like, no.
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And I'm thinking, OK, where is he going
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with this?
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And he told the whole story.
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And it was the first time I had
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ever heard the story.
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And he was so calm, so OK with
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it.
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And from that point on, he could talk
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to anybody about the trauma that happened to
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him as a child.
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And is a bigger fan of yours than
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I am because he spreads the word everywhere.
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But I don't want to run out of
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time without talking to you about one other
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thing.
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OK.
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You partner with so many different organizations in
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Frederick and have changed so many lives that
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way.
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What prompted you to decide to start partnering
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with other organizations?
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Because that's pretty unique.
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It is.
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And I think it's really just honestly, it's
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been opportunities.
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So it's been meeting people in the community
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and starting to talk about what we offer
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as a practice and finding out what their
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needs are and then eventually figuring out that
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there's a pairing there.
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I think being more and more involved in
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this community, I was part of Leadership Frederick
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County, made a lot of great contacts, one
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in our audience here.
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And that's where a lot of these conversations
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have just sort of organically come up.
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And that's kind of what's led to that.
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I think it's just a step-by-step
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process.
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So do you envision that growing as time
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goes on?
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And do you have any changes that you'd
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like to see in the future?
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That's a question I was going to ask.
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I was going to ask you the question.
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Here you are.
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You have your crystal ball in front of
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us, in front of you.
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Take us out 10 years and tell us
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what your vision of how you would see
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the opportunities that this therapy provides being maximized
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in this community.
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Because I'm sure you have a vision looking
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about where you want to see this 10
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years from now.
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Yes.
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So I would love to have more community
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partnerships.
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Kind of our next vision that we've worked
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on with our leadership team is to have
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sort of four pillars of what we do
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as a practice.
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So one pillar that we're already pretty solid
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with is the idea it's all based on
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relationship.
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And for me, some of that comes from
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a very tech world and AI therapists and
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all kinds of things that are available out
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there.
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And so what is it that sets us
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apart?
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What makes us different?
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And it is that relationship-based work.
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So if you think about relationship to yourself
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is a lot of what EMDR and typical
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therapy works on.
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So we've got that pillar down pretty well.
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Relationship to your significant others, your immediate family,
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kids, partner is the other pillar that we
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have therapists already that work on that.
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And we're doing that.
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The other thing I find important is relationship
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to the earth, to nature.
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I think there's a lot to that that
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we miss as a culture.
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And that is something that our staff is
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starting to be trained in.
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And we have some plans for how we're
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evolving and developing that.
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And the last one is relationship to community.
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And that is us, wherever our location is
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in Delaware, Pennsylvania, or Maryland, being able to
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really interact with the community and figure out
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how we support community initiatives.
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We work with the Coalition for a Healthier
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Frederick County here.
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There's just a lot of people doing a
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lot of work on that.
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And we want to be a part of
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that, however it makes sense.
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Well, I'm an example of someone who is
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senior.
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And then the success story.
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Is there an age, like, for instance, can
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you work with the Frederick County Public Schools
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for children?
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I mean, you're looking at COVID and frankly,
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some of the depression that exists because of
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what's happening in the country.
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I'm sure there's a lot of grief out
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there.
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Is there an age-specific readiness that has
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to be there for somebody to get the
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therapy?
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Or is it?
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Not really.
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We do work with littles, too.
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It's work with littles and their parents, of
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course, not just like a solo session.
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But I would say probably about age 3
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to 103.
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Wow.
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And what, for you, and I recognize every
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patient might be different, but can you describe
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what success looks like for you as working
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through it with a patient and instances where
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what lack of success looks like?
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Sure.
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Because I'm sure it happens with patients.
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Yeah, I mean, and I think ultimately therapy
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is a partnership, right?
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You have to have the right match.
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It's a very personal journey.
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And so developing that relationship, but then success
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is really defined by what a client is
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motivated to do.
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And so we as therapists really work toward
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that end more than sort of our own
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goals, while also presenting opportunities and things that
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we see along the way.
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So I think success is seeing someone get
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where they wanted to go or even further
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than they wanted to go.
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And if that doesn't happen, I think we
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have to look at what's standing in the
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way.
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What are some of the barriers?
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Are those something that we can solve for?
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Or is there something different that's better for
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that person?
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Well, how can we help?
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Because it seems to me that trauma treatment,
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because of the extent of trauma that people
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never talk about, that exists in our community,
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exists everywhere, how can we spread the word
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and get people who should be aware of
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this, aware of what you're providing?
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Because I can tell you, I'm a much
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different person as a 73-year-old than
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I was as a 71-year-old.
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And the transformative nature for what it's done
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for me and for my family in the
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fullest sense is something that I'd love to
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share.
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And I'm sharing right here, obviously.
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Well, sharing on this podcast is awesome.
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I think people don't really understand, even people
21:58
who are in mental health don't always understand
22:00
that we have an evidence-based treatment that
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cures PTSD, period.
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Like, that's possible.
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It cured him.
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Yeah.
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So why not try it?
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I just tell people that are here that
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when I was a young lawyer, because of
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the trauma events, I got to a point
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where I created a cocoon around myself.
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And so I blocked my memories first of
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what had occurred.
22:29
And I didn't actually remember what had occurred
22:31
until I was in my late 40s, which
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is the first time I re-encountered the
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trauma that I had experienced.
22:39
But I also blocked myself from my own
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emotions.
22:42
And the result of that is that as
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a young lawyer, my nickname in this large
22:47
institutional law firm was the monster, because I
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was a workaholic and lacking in empathy, both
22:54
for witnesses and for staff.
22:56
People were scared to death of working with
22:58
me, which people that now work with me
23:00
have no idea that the same person is
23:02
sitting in front of them.
23:03
So it's one of those things that I
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think not even appreciating as a 21, 22
23:08
-year-old, what trauma has done to you
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is something that if I had had this
23:12
therapy back then, my life would have been
23:15
so different than it's been, because you're, you
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know, you got fear of failure, you got
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all these things that are wrapped up in
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the trauma that you experienced.
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And a lot of times I think men
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more than women want to like suck it
23:28
up and not and say that was in
23:30
the past and don't want to deal with
23:33
it, even though they don't realize that it's
23:35
impacting every day.
23:37
Every day, every single day.
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Did you, did you have any final words
23:41
that you want to wrap it up with?
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I just want to say that every person
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that has a story like you, Tom, is
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why trauma specialists exist.
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So I'm excited to see what the future
23:54
brings.
23:54
I'm excited for the work we've already been
23:56
able to do in the team we have.
23:58
So just thank you for the opportunity to
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talk about it.
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Well, congratulations on your 10 years and we
24:04
are excited for you.
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And I'm excited for this community because once
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this spreads, it only can benefit the community.
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Well, and it has spread seven locations.
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So yay, Rachel.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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And thank you for having us, really.
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Thanks for being here.
24:21
And for those of you listening, thanks for
24:23
being here and listening to the Mental Health
24:25
Evolution podcast.
24:26
We will be back next week where I
24:28
will actually be the host and be interviewing
24:30
someone else.
24:31
Bye for now.
24:32
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24:43
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