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- 0:04Speaker 1: All system's gone clear the lift up. What's up? Everyone?
- 0:36Speaker 1: Tyler Tambaline here aka Totec and Tambo back for another
- 0:40Speaker 1: edition of Leverage Lane PGA edition here on the ship
- 0:43Speaker 1: Nation YouTube station. It is the final PGA edition we'll
- 0:46Speaker 1: be doing this season. Of course, we do have the
- 0:48Speaker 1: Tour Championship next week, but we won't have a leverage
- 0:51Speaker 1: Lane for that. We've got some other stuff that we're
- 0:53Speaker 1: gonna tease and push here in a minute, but I
- 0:54Speaker 1: got my man Alex blikele here with me as always
- 0:56Speaker 1: Blick Analytics dot Com gonna break it all down for
- 0:59Speaker 1: you and more for the BMW. It's a Milli maker week.
- 1:03Speaker 1: I know you got a ticket. I got a ticket.
- 1:04Speaker 1: We got a ticket to the Big show. So this
- 1:06Speaker 1: is gonna be a fun one man. How you doing,
- 1:07Speaker 1: my friend?
- 1:08Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been been a long time coming to get
- 1:11Speaker 2: that ticket this year finally finally got it. It's back
- 1:14Speaker 2: to back top one percent finishes in showdowns the last
- 1:18Speaker 2: couple of weeks, so it's been a lot of fun.
- 1:20Speaker 2: Props are on fire, and yeah, I just can't wait
- 1:23Speaker 2: for the NFL season. As you saw, like I put
- 1:25Speaker 2: the NFL roster construction data into the discord yesterday. That
- 1:28Speaker 2: was my task while waiting for my car to be service.
- 1:31Speaker 2: Got it all done while I was there at the dealership.
- 1:34Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a fun, productive day. And I'm
- 1:36Speaker 2: just like, this is such an exciting time of the
- 1:39Speaker 2: year and both for golf and of course for for
- 1:42Speaker 2: NFL right around the corner.
- 1:43Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be awesome, man. We of course will
- 1:45Speaker 1: be back. For those who don't know, make sure you're
- 1:46Speaker 1: subscribe to this channel. Make sure you hit the thumbs up. Well,
- 1:48Speaker 1: you're here. If you're a mobile live, just push the
- 1:50Speaker 1: chat screen down hit the thumbs up there for us,
- 1:52Speaker 1: takes two seconds. But we will be back for NFL.
- 1:55Speaker 1: Last year we didn't start. I think it was week three.
- 1:57Speaker 1: I want to say maybe week four. Even this year,
- 1:59Speaker 1: we'll have the entire season that we'll be covering just
- 2:02Speaker 1: like this, and we don't put the show out five
- 2:04Speaker 1: days early just to get a million clicks and links
- 2:06Speaker 1: and all this other stuff and people spreading the word.
- 2:08Speaker 1: We're trying to make sure we get you, guys, the
- 2:09Speaker 1: most actionable advice for your DFS lineups and for your
- 2:12Speaker 1: betting and all of that and more so we'll have
- 2:14Speaker 1: more on that to come just to heads up, I mean,
- 2:17Speaker 1: lots of good people here in the chat, Gocalk says,
- 2:19Speaker 1: we'll have to catch a replay. Didn't know we still
- 2:20Speaker 1: had it. Yeah, we got you covered right through, like
- 2:23Speaker 1: we said till the end. This is interesting, gonna be
- 2:25Speaker 1: a topic. Obviously. We will get to the chock build,
- 2:27Speaker 1: how to leverage the chalk build, and we'll see if
- 2:29Speaker 1: this is a common thought. I actually think Scotty, who's
- 2:32Speaker 1: another interesting topic, could steam a little more than we
- 2:35Speaker 1: think because I don't think Rory gets much ownership at
- 2:38Speaker 1: all everyone else. There's no way Roy could play good.
- 2:40Speaker 1: He said he didn't play very much very often. You know,
- 2:42Speaker 1: he's only played his whole life though he's only one
- 2:44Speaker 1: of the best golfers of all time. But there's no
- 2:46Speaker 1: way he could play good this week. So wins a
- 2:49Speaker 1: lot says, let's have a week. Lots of good people
- 2:51Speaker 1: and there I can't bring them up. I like this
- 2:52Speaker 1: one though, Seymour putts, which is a great you know,
- 2:55Speaker 1: use your name. It's like a fantasy football golf fantasy Seymour.
- 3:00Speaker 1: But may your Screens be green? Really isn't noteworthy until
- 3:03Speaker 1: coming down the stretch on a Sunday. But people are dreamers.
- 3:06Speaker 1: I was a dreamer on Sunday. My friend and my
- 3:09Speaker 1: man Sung Jam made a bogie on eighteen that cost
- 3:13Speaker 1: me ten thousand dollars, dropping from first to second in
- 3:15Speaker 1: the two fifty four mags. And then I was like, oh,
- 3:18Speaker 1: Sam Burns, you had yourself a day, Scotty, wipe the
- 3:20Speaker 1: floor with you. That's great, he's your good buddy. At
- 3:22Speaker 1: least make a par right, Well, we'll hang on to
- 3:24Speaker 1: this ten k. Nope, we'll make a bogie too, he says,
- 3:26Speaker 1: And that dropped me another five so fifteen K drop
- 3:29Speaker 1: on the final two holes as some people were congratulating me,
- 3:32Speaker 1: which is not how you should do that in this game.
- 3:34Speaker 1: But least position, placement, points and all these other things
- 3:37Speaker 1: that matter, but you don't control it. I don't believe
- 3:39Speaker 1: in like MUSHes or jinxes. Everybody knows that. I'm just saying,
- 3:42Speaker 1: it's more of a testament to you seeing that it's
- 3:44Speaker 1: never over till it's actually over, unless you are blowing
- 3:48Speaker 1: the field away, as our guy Degenerate seventy five likes
- 3:51Speaker 1: to say, or like to say, boat race the field.
- 3:54Speaker 1: And I should note that quickly, and I'll let you
- 3:55Speaker 1: rebuttle that, but just the big guy event quickly, it's
- 3:58Speaker 1: times up. I mean you get in still, don't get
- 4:00Speaker 1: me wrong, but I'm saying like, if you're not already
- 4:01Speaker 1: booked for Vegas or living there, you're probably not going.
- 4:04Speaker 1: And I get that, but do want to say thank
- 4:06Speaker 1: you to everybody that's supported excited to see all those
- 4:09Speaker 1: coming out. It looks like we'll have a pretty good
- 4:10Speaker 1: crowd of friends, close family, things like that that James
- 4:13Speaker 1: is going to have at the event. So a lot
- 4:15Speaker 1: of the ship at Nation crew, a bunch of good
- 4:17Speaker 1: people from around the DFS space. But that is Friday,
- 4:19Speaker 1: August twenty first. If you're in Las Vegas, we will
- 4:22Speaker 1: be at the d Casino and Hotel. We will be
- 4:25Speaker 1: on the twelfth floor at the Detroit Ballroom and you
- 4:28Speaker 1: could come on down if you're not sure, You're like,
- 4:30Speaker 1: I didn't know about it, whatever, but I'm in Vegas.
- 4:32Speaker 1: I want to check this out. Hit me up on
- 4:34Speaker 1: X at Totech and Tambo Alex. I'll let the rebuttal
- 4:37Speaker 1: go back to you on the other stuff. I was
- 4:39Speaker 1: just saying, like, it's never over till it's over, right
- 4:40Speaker 1: in these tournaments as far as you know, Seymour made
- 4:43Speaker 1: a good point there.
- 4:44Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was right there with you. I
- 4:46Speaker 2: needed Nap to part the last hole to get second
- 4:50Speaker 2: in the two fifty on Sunday and win two tickets.
- 4:53Speaker 2: He made bogy, So I felt a third cost me
- 4:56Speaker 2: I think two thousand dollars there, and I lost one
- 4:59Speaker 2: of the two tickets that I was in first four
- 5:01Speaker 2: at the moment. So so got the ticket for this week,
- 5:04Speaker 2: and hopefully it's funny like the last two years, I've
- 5:08Speaker 2: had so many chances with so many tickets, and I
- 5:11Speaker 2: got the fifth place finishing in Week one last year
- 5:14Speaker 2: for fifty grand, but other than that, it felt like
- 5:15Speaker 2: a lot of missed opportunities. It's just like, how funny
- 5:18Speaker 2: would it be if the one ticket that I win
- 5:20Speaker 2: this year in PGA is the one that really, you know,
- 5:23Speaker 2: it gets the big prize. So we'll see what happens
- 5:25Speaker 2: this week. And I feel pretty good because I know,
- 5:28Speaker 2: you know, the data is all working. The contest hims
- 5:31Speaker 2: right now are fully fired up and super powerful, so
- 5:34Speaker 2: I feel really really good about the process. We talked
- 5:37Speaker 2: a lot on Mastermind episode last week and like just
- 5:41Speaker 2: kind of finding the right balance between all this new
- 5:43Speaker 2: stuff that I've been able to do, and I feel
- 5:45Speaker 2: like we're kind of in the zone now.
- 5:47Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I think it's gonna be a
- 5:49Speaker 1: big season ahead. I will actually make sure to show
- 5:52Speaker 1: that off quickly now that you mentioned it real fast
- 5:54Speaker 1: there and get Seymour. We appreciate you, but I'm going
- 5:56Speaker 1: to get you off the screen there. But I just
- 5:58Speaker 1: want to bring this up. I think we have it here.
- 6:01Speaker 1: I'm just gonna press play on it and then that'll
- 6:04Speaker 1: get it on the screen. But yeah, if you guys
- 6:06Speaker 1: want to go check it out DFS Mastermind. If you
- 6:08Speaker 1: go to this YouTube channel under the video section, you'll
- 6:11Speaker 1: find this video how my DFS process changed in twenty
- 6:14Speaker 1: twenty six. Lots of comments, lots of people seem to
- 6:16Speaker 1: love what we're doing there, So if you want to
- 6:18Speaker 1: check that out, that's a good starting point. We've got more.
- 6:20Speaker 1: Like I said, there's a teaser that we'll be doing
- 6:22Speaker 1: a little bit of a side project upcoming. You guys
- 6:24Speaker 1: may like, but we'll have more on how to get
- 6:26Speaker 1: into that and how to find out about that as
- 6:28Speaker 1: we go along. Let's see what else. Yeah, Nap unfortunately
- 6:31Speaker 1: never got those eight birdies. No he did that at
- 6:33Speaker 1: three m I watched him live do that and that
- 6:36Speaker 1: was great for the showdown on Sunday when I didn't
- 6:38Speaker 1: have him there. But this one was a little bit different.
- 6:40Speaker 1: So new one says, well, man, Alex, you sit at
- 6:43Speaker 1: the dealership. I don't have patience to do, so they
- 6:45Speaker 1: have a nice waiting room. I just did this a
- 6:46Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Actually it's not the worst.
- 6:48Speaker 2: Sometimes as long as I have work to do, I'll
- 6:51Speaker 2: just sit there and do the work.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a good point by Ryan Sad
- 6:55Speaker 1: times from the PGA streets going away, you know it
- 6:57Speaker 1: comes with greatness NFL season. But I'll say, like Alex said,
- 7:00Speaker 1: there's nothing better. There's lots of money to be won
- 7:01Speaker 1: this week, by the way, not just the forty four
- 7:03Speaker 1: to forty four Mega that you got to pretty much
- 7:05Speaker 1: win your way into to play. But the tournaments are good,
- 7:08Speaker 1: the contests are nice as usual to make it from
- 7:10Speaker 1: that front, so I would say nothing better than going
- 7:13Speaker 1: into the NFL season of greatness with some money greatness
- 7:17Speaker 1: on the way out from the PGA street. So definitely
- 7:19Speaker 1: excited for that. Shout out to Gary and lots of others.
- 7:22Speaker 1: But let's get into it. What is your thoughts?
- 7:24Speaker 2: One last thing there, including the fact that like, there
- 7:27Speaker 2: are a ton of satellites for Week one in the lobby.
- 7:31Speaker 2: So if you know, even if you feel like, oh, man,
- 7:34Speaker 2: like this has been a really rough, you know, PGA
- 7:36Speaker 2: season and I'm kind of glad it's coming to an end,
- 7:39Speaker 2: and I just want a NFL to start, Like Okay,
- 7:41Speaker 2: then play really hard this week and next week because
- 7:44Speaker 2: you can win some great tickets and start a Week
- 7:46Speaker 2: one off with a bank just like I did last year.
- 7:48Speaker 1: Yeah, good call out. Actually, because if you're not in
- 7:50Speaker 1: the forty four to forty four this week, you can
- 7:52Speaker 1: still get into the one that's coming up in just
- 7:54Speaker 1: a few weeks now for NFL. And like I said,
- 7:56Speaker 1: Alex and I'll be back. We'll have more on that
- 7:58Speaker 1: and what's to come, and we might even do some
- 8:00Speaker 1: some preview stuff. Well we'll let you guys know, though.
- 8:01Speaker 1: We'll be out here making sure you guys are taken
- 8:03Speaker 1: care of Dollar Bill, my man over at Chip Nation.
- 8:06Speaker 1: I'll see him in Vegas this weekend. Says not to
- 8:08Speaker 1: mention ten days until CFB, So if you're playing in
- 8:10Speaker 1: the college football streets and you're eligible to do so.
- 8:12Speaker 1: Lots of good stuff going on over at ship Nation
- 8:14Speaker 1: with that Bill heads up, that program we got Kenny
- 8:17Speaker 1: hamhock Is is fully locked down for this year. He's
- 8:19Speaker 1: a great dude. I had him over on Mastermind doing
- 8:21Speaker 1: his interview. He's won the million Maaker, done well in
- 8:23Speaker 1: a bunch of different niche sports, but he absolutely crushes
- 8:26Speaker 1: college football two he won five. He maxed out the
- 8:29Speaker 1: Live Final last year and then won it, So congrats
- 8:31Speaker 1: to him for that. But lots of good stuff going on.
- 8:34Speaker 1: Where do you want to start for this week with
- 8:38Speaker 1: the core spit, the weather, any anything you want to
- 8:41Speaker 1: comment on from that perspective. First, I think obviously people
- 8:43Speaker 1: know it's a smaller field. No people are grinding out.
- 8:46Speaker 1: You know. I love these posts and I get it, Like,
- 8:48Speaker 1: you know, somebody posted a you know, all fifty golfers
- 8:51Speaker 1: and what they need to do to get to the
- 8:53Speaker 1: get to East Lake, Like that is actually an interesting post.
- 8:55Speaker 1: I'm not shitting on. I'm just saying it's like, yeah,
- 8:58Speaker 1: they all got to play really good. And that's the
- 9:01Speaker 1: thing about like, you know, people always talk about it
- 9:03Speaker 1: and we've done a bunch of the past, like motivation.
- 9:05Speaker 1: They all have motivation right now, they're all going to play.
- 9:07Speaker 1: They all want to get through. There is massive rewards
- 9:10Speaker 1: for their careers of getting through to the final thirty
- 9:13Speaker 1: with the two year exemption, all the majors, et cetera,
- 9:15Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. I know a lot of the
- 9:16Speaker 1: you're like, well, most of them already have. Yeah, they
- 9:18Speaker 1: want to stack it, they want to get in there,
- 9:19Speaker 1: they want to make that happen. So any thoughts on that,
- 9:22Speaker 1: and then anything with the course fit you want to
- 9:23Speaker 1: bring up probably focus more on that.
- 9:26Speaker 2: Well. So one of the things that I did, because
- 9:27Speaker 2: if you remember, like I say it all the time,
- 9:31Speaker 2: motivation is not predictive of success. But one thing I
- 9:34Speaker 2: did do for round four last week was kind of
- 9:37Speaker 2: note the guys who were really on the bubble and
- 9:38Speaker 2: note the fact that, okay, that is creating an added
- 9:41Speaker 2: layer of pressure. And so we actually used our contention
- 9:43Speaker 2: performance score to kind of look at, okay, well, which
- 9:46Speaker 2: players might do well because they're on the bubble, and
- 9:50Speaker 2: which might struggle And so like the two kind of
- 9:52Speaker 2: auto fades for me in round four where Keith Mitchell
- 9:56Speaker 2: and Brian Harmon and Harmon ended up like forty two
- 9:58Speaker 2: percent in the two fifty and was atrocious, and so
- 10:02Speaker 2: like that was the key fade of the slate. The
- 10:05Speaker 2: guy that analysis got me onto, someone who was just
- 10:07Speaker 2: outside of the bubble and had a really good contention
- 10:10Speaker 2: performance score was Max Homa, and so he hit sixty
- 10:13Speaker 2: one hundred shot two under and was like eight percent
- 10:16Speaker 2: owner or something like that. He was probably the key
- 10:18Speaker 2: to my lineup. So it was really pleased with that,
- 10:20Speaker 2: And I'll probably look at contenttional performance score again this
- 10:23Speaker 2: week for the entire week for those bubble guys, you know,
- 10:27Speaker 2: who really have to play well to get into the
- 10:29Speaker 2: Tour Championship, and maybe it's a reason to fade some
- 10:32Speaker 2: of the guys who were like twenty eighth or thirty
- 10:35Speaker 2: second on the list and obviously have to play well,
- 10:37Speaker 2: and maybe if their contention performance scores really bad, maybe
- 10:40Speaker 2: maybe that means that they're not going to handle that
- 10:42Speaker 2: added layer of pressure well. But with all that said,
- 10:46Speaker 2: as always, I think course fit and just you know,
- 10:49Speaker 2: just generally, like who's good who's not is the more
- 10:54Speaker 2: important place to start. And so from a course fit perspective,
- 10:57Speaker 2: we only have the PGA Championship from twenty eighteen to
- 10:59Speaker 2: work with that week, it was very true that distance
- 11:03Speaker 2: was predictive. We also, though, know that like PGA Championships,
- 11:07Speaker 2: US opens, they like setting up the golf courses in
- 11:09Speaker 2: such a way that rewards distance. So how much of
- 11:12Speaker 2: that was bellery of itself versus just the PGA's Championship
- 11:16Speaker 2: or the PGA of America, I should say, setting up
- 11:18Speaker 2: the golf course in a way that would reward distance,
- 11:21Speaker 2: I don't really know. So there's going to be a
- 11:22Speaker 2: lot of uncertainty. What I have kind of coded up
- 11:27Speaker 2: for this is like in the contest sim over at
- 11:29Speaker 2: Block Analytics, there's what we call like just course fit
- 11:34Speaker 2: sensitivity and driving distance specifically sensitivity. So every time you
- 11:38Speaker 2: send a lineup, you can see like, oh, the lineup
- 11:40Speaker 2: is plus thirty percent when distance is super predictive, it's
- 11:44Speaker 2: negative twenty percent when distance is not super predictive.
- 11:48Speaker 1: So just like.
- 11:51Speaker 2: Really trying to capture and actually quantify that uncertainty as
- 11:55Speaker 2: I think a really strong point of those sims and
- 11:57Speaker 2: I will probably be leaning into since this week, but
- 12:01Speaker 2: it's I'm also going to be looking for guys who
- 12:03Speaker 2: like they can succeed regardless because it's very clear around
- 12:06Speaker 2: the industry if you look at you know who people
- 12:09Speaker 2: around the industry are pointing at for DraftKings place and
- 12:12Speaker 2: also just like the most tipped guys for outrights this
- 12:15Speaker 2: week bomber bomb or bomb or bomber. So if we
- 12:18Speaker 2: can find the guys who can play really well on
- 12:22Speaker 2: bomber friendly golf courses even when they're not bombers, that
- 12:25Speaker 2: can also be a key this week. And so one
- 12:27Speaker 2: of the splits that I'm looking at this week is
- 12:30Speaker 2: just performance above or below expectation on those bomber friendly
- 12:35Speaker 2: golf courses, on long par seventy golf courses. I know
- 12:39Speaker 2: one of my subscribers asked, like, are you going to
- 12:41Speaker 2: look at long iron play this week? And my answer
- 12:45Speaker 2: was like, as I've talked about a bunch of this
- 12:47Speaker 2: season here on leverage Lane, I really haven't found a
- 12:50Speaker 2: ton of predictive value in specific approach buckets. I know
- 12:55Speaker 2: red kit Cheek on Twitter has kind of made the
- 12:58Speaker 2: same point over and over, which is just the like,
- 13:00Speaker 2: when you look at specific approach buckets, you're just kind
- 13:02Speaker 2: of crashing the sample size in a way that isn't
- 13:06Speaker 2: very good with golf. Like, as we know, you kind
- 13:08Speaker 2: of want the largest ample size possible most of the time,
- 13:10Speaker 2: even when it becomes a little bit less specific to
- 13:13Speaker 2: that week, and so that's not surprising. But theoretically, if
- 13:17Speaker 2: there is some predictive value in it, that split will
- 13:20Speaker 2: pick it up.
- 13:20Speaker 1: Right.
- 13:20Speaker 2: If you're on a long par seventy golf course, obviously
- 13:24Speaker 2: you're probably hitting more long irons than usual. So if
- 13:27Speaker 2: that's a thing, you'll see it in that split.
- 13:29Speaker 1: Yeah, just looking at some of the stuff is pretty
- 13:31Speaker 1: interesting too, Like you know, Matt McNeely is, you know,
- 13:35Speaker 1: forty ninth in the FedEx Cup stuff. Just going back
- 13:38Speaker 1: to your previous point about that, and like, I don't
- 13:40Speaker 1: know exactly what it is yet because I don't have
- 13:42Speaker 1: it up in front of me, But I can't imagine
- 13:44Speaker 1: he's good in contention? When has he ever been good? No,
- 13:47Speaker 1: he's And then you think about, like, I don't know
- 13:51Speaker 1: Ryan Fox, who's twenty fifth and you got to make
- 13:53Speaker 1: the top thirty and he's a major winner now, so
- 13:56Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, topbo in Conte. I mean, if I
- 13:59Speaker 1: talk about I don't, oh clue how his rates out? Again?
- 14:01Speaker 1: You have these I don't have them in front of me.
- 14:02Speaker 1: I can get access obviously, but just knowing it, my
- 14:05Speaker 1: point would be, I've never seen somebody in such a
- 14:08Speaker 1: high pressure contention. I know it's one event, but it
- 14:10Speaker 1: was like that guy was hitting shots in eight seconds.
- 14:13Speaker 1: He was unleashing just like perfect shots down the stretch
- 14:15Speaker 1: to win a major walking up, no questions asked. So
- 14:18Speaker 1: it's like him staying inside the top thirty doesn't mean
- 14:21Speaker 1: it will happen, just would feel better about that than
- 14:24Speaker 1: McNeely somehow, you know, getting there. And why would McNeely
- 14:27Speaker 1: be forty nine coming in Well, probably because he hasn't
- 14:29Speaker 1: been able to make his way to that. So it's
- 14:31Speaker 1: like just a couple examples that I can think of
- 14:33Speaker 1: just looking quickly at that, but that's.
- 14:35Speaker 2: Why he nailed it. McNeely has the worst contentionent performance
- 14:39Speaker 2: score in the field. Fox is just really good. And
- 14:41Speaker 2: if you recall that week, like Fox was the only
- 14:44Speaker 2: one going into round four who was in contention and
- 14:46Speaker 2: had a positive contention performance score, So it wasn't surprising
- 14:49Speaker 2: to see him come out of there with the win.
- 14:52Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean you can kind of see that
- 14:55Speaker 2: kind of across the board. The one guy who has
- 14:58Speaker 2: a really good contention performance score was kind of the
- 15:00Speaker 2: bubble who didn't play really well on Sunday was Michael Brennan.
- 15:04Speaker 2: But like you know, we've now seen him close out
- 15:08Speaker 2: his close out a win in his first PHA Tour start,
- 15:12Speaker 2: and then the next time that he was like really
- 15:14Speaker 2: really in contention, he was flawless all day Sunday. So
- 15:17Speaker 2: his contention performance scores kind of through the roof a
- 15:19Speaker 2: small sample and honestly, like it's probably overinflated at this point.
- 15:23Speaker 2: It is the best in this field now, but at
- 15:25Speaker 2: the same time, like we haven't seen any reason to
- 15:28Speaker 2: think otherwise for him, So I think that might be
- 15:30Speaker 2: a little bit with him, Like he's so dominant with
- 15:33Speaker 2: the driver that anytime he's in contention, it means that
- 15:36Speaker 2: the other parts of his game are also clicking that week,
- 15:39Speaker 2: and so with him, it might just be if if
- 15:42Speaker 2: I'm putting well and I'm hitting my irons well, like
- 15:45Speaker 2: I'm I'm gaining such an advantage off the tee that
- 15:47Speaker 2: how could I possibly make a mistake just because the
- 15:50Speaker 2: pressure is there. So it'll be interesting to see how
- 15:53Speaker 2: his contention performance score kind of progresses over the next
- 15:56Speaker 2: year or two. But as of right now, like he
- 16:00Speaker 2: looks like a stone cold killer anytime he's in contention.
- 16:03Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely looks very good out there. I always
- 16:05Speaker 1: coined him as your boy because that was like, you know,
- 16:07Speaker 1: we'd have different things. You talk about his distance and
- 16:09Speaker 1: how much is you'll off the tee and all of
- 16:10Speaker 1: that with him, but like you said, when he's actually
- 16:12Speaker 1: truly been in the contention spots, I know it's a
- 16:14Speaker 1: very small sample, which I don't love, but it's you've
- 16:17Speaker 1: been honest about why it is that way. So my
- 16:18Speaker 1: point being that is a good example there. And then
- 16:22Speaker 1: I was gonna say that there was one other thing
- 16:23Speaker 1: you said on maybe it was Fox. Yeah, Fox is
- 16:26Speaker 1: why I remember. I think I think that's why I
- 16:27Speaker 1: remembered Fox, not just the event, but I think it
- 16:29Speaker 1: was that Sunday where it was like, man, this guy
- 16:31Speaker 1: is a good option. Because of that Mad McNeely, I
- 16:33Speaker 1: didn't remember anything, just all the times that he did
- 16:36Speaker 1: not close. So I was like, that's definitely Mad McNeely
- 16:39Speaker 1: for you. Patrick Rodgers would have a horrible contention score,
- 16:42Speaker 1: but he has to get into contention these days.
- 16:43Speaker 2: First, Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know how
- 16:45Speaker 2: bad it would be because I can't remember the last
- 16:46Speaker 2: time he was actually there in contention to get.
- 16:48Speaker 1: A prop him. I mean always hanging around. People are always
- 16:52Speaker 1: like saying, how do you stick around for three hundred
- 16:54Speaker 1: starts and still not have this? It's like, well that's you.
- 16:56Speaker 1: Still gotta be good somehow and shout out Zach Blair,
- 16:59Speaker 1: you know, to eighty off the tier or whatever it is,
- 17:01Speaker 1: and he's still in the mix. So you got to
- 17:02Speaker 1: find those couple of courses each year. Anything else, Alex
- 17:05Speaker 1: with the course fit that you want to talk about
- 17:07Speaker 1: for this week specifically, I think you nailed it. I
- 17:10Speaker 1: will say, I guess you know. What we do here
- 17:11Speaker 1: is obviously break it down from like what we think
- 17:13Speaker 1: the field's doing and how we can look at that
- 17:14Speaker 1: and leverage it. And we'll get to that in a
- 17:15Speaker 1: second with the starting with the chalk build, but or
- 17:19Speaker 1: maybe I'll bring that up too. But well, while I'm
- 17:20Speaker 1: bringing it up, I would say that the ownership, at
- 17:23Speaker 1: least from my perspective so far with the rough draft,
- 17:26Speaker 1: looks to be skewing heavily towards Bombers naturally, Like it
- 17:30Speaker 1: looks like if you go to like Woodland min Wu Hoguard,
- 17:33Speaker 1: like you're seeing a lot of these guys pick up
- 17:36Speaker 1: a little bit of steam there. But I'll bring up
- 17:37Speaker 1: the rough draft so we can run through this and
- 17:40Speaker 1: start looking at if you guys are over on Ship
- 17:42Speaker 1: and Nation, this is the stone two point zero. It
- 17:45Speaker 1: is the rough draft. So the numbers aren't accurate, Like
- 17:47Speaker 1: I have Rory lower than this. I actually think Scotty
- 17:49Speaker 1: could get higher than this. And we're gonna have edits
- 17:51Speaker 1: and updates before the evening. But it's not really about that.
- 17:54Speaker 1: It's kind of just getting to the point of using
- 17:56Speaker 1: the handbuilder and saying, Okay, what are people doing this week?
- 17:59Speaker 1: How are you seeing it shakeout? Right now? From your perspective,
- 18:02Speaker 1: you think more Scotty or less Scotty because one thing
- 18:05Speaker 1: you've talked about all season and this being the final show,
- 18:08Speaker 1: people are you know, just just hitting us finally at
- 18:09Speaker 1: the very end. Great, But the combinatorial ownership of like
- 18:13Speaker 1: you talk about, where if it's going to be a
- 18:15Speaker 1: guy like Scotty who's getting that, then that is going
- 18:20Speaker 1: to change the guys down below, right, So I'll let
- 18:23Speaker 1: you go for it from there and we'll we'll discuss
- 18:25Speaker 1: it more. But you know what, what are your thoughts
- 18:26Speaker 1: here on the chalk build.
- 18:28Speaker 2: Yeah, when you click Scotty you're left with seventy one
- 18:30Speaker 2: twenty per lineup. So it you know, in a lot
- 18:35Speaker 2: of the events so far this year, if you had
- 18:39Speaker 2: to go to this range and find five guys in
- 18:40Speaker 2: this range, you were clicking like guys who ended up,
- 18:44Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and fortieth in the FedEx Cup
- 18:47Speaker 2: five times. That was a really, really uncomfortable build. Very
- 18:51Speaker 2: few people went with it, and that's why for so
- 18:53Speaker 2: much of the year Scotti has come in lower owned
- 18:55Speaker 2: than projections around the industry and just kind of everyone
- 19:00Speaker 2: kind of caught up to it. And it was the
- 19:01Speaker 2: same sort of thing, right. It was like he'd be
- 19:03Speaker 2: projected at twenty five percent one week, coming at twenty two,
- 19:05Speaker 2: he'd be projected at twenty two the next week, coming
- 19:08Speaker 2: at nineteen, all the way down to the week where
- 19:09Speaker 2: he was like under five percent at at the Scottish
- 19:14Speaker 2: This is one of those weeks though, as as we've
- 19:16Speaker 2: gotten in major championships and in a few signature events
- 19:19Speaker 2: where the quality of player around seventy one one hundred
- 19:24Speaker 2: now is really really good, And so there is a
- 19:28Speaker 2: collection of chalk down here. I think where you're gonna
- 19:30Speaker 2: see thorpe Bjornson at seventy five, Brennan Minwu, Lee, Scott Sung,
- 19:35Speaker 2: Jane Norrin, Ben Griffin, even some like Rose Hoygard, Rayton,
- 19:40Speaker 2: Alex Fitzpatrick. There are so many players down here now
- 19:44Speaker 2: that people actually can choose from that. I'm with you.
- 19:47Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see Scotty. I hadn't projected it
- 19:51Speaker 2: twenty one percent for single entry in my first run.
- 19:54Speaker 2: I think that's low. I think it's probably twenty five
- 19:57Speaker 2: to thirty percent where we'll see him as as you said,
- 20:00Speaker 2: like I think Rory could be ten percent or less.
- 20:02Speaker 1: I was.
- 20:03Speaker 2: I was like seven percentage points below the second lowest
- 20:07Speaker 2: in the industry last week on Rory and ended up
- 20:09Speaker 2: I think like half a percentage point too high on him.
- 20:12Speaker 2: I think I was at like ten point nine, he
- 20:14Speaker 2: was ten point four. So yeah, right now I have
- 20:16Speaker 2: him at nine point four, and maybe that's even too high.
- 20:19Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I'm very much with you.
- 20:22Speaker 2: I think we'll see Scotty and then down to like
- 20:26Speaker 2: the Burns through Seawoo group and then some of the
- 20:31Speaker 2: upper eight k's as well, and then kind of a
- 20:33Speaker 2: jump down to the lower sevens and upper six is
- 20:37Speaker 2: from there.
- 20:38Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say this, I mean, we'll definitely
- 20:40Speaker 1: have a lane at the end that we roll with.
- 20:42Speaker 1: And it's different again, you're playing a million ticket, I'm
- 20:44Speaker 1: playing a mili ticket. It's not about that as much
- 20:45Speaker 1: as like it's a fifty man field. There's only so
- 20:47Speaker 1: much you can do, and there's definitely things that we're
- 20:48Speaker 1: going to attack, like you know, at different angles, approaches,
- 20:51Speaker 1: course fits, whatever we go with. But I will say
- 20:53Speaker 1: when somebody brought this up earlier, best leverage is playing
- 20:57Speaker 1: all six k goals, Like I think all these most
- 20:59Speaker 1: the lineups will have sick guys. But if you're saying, like,
- 21:01Speaker 1: you know, you could play three six k guys and
- 21:04Speaker 1: get different that way and do something different possibly, But
- 21:07Speaker 1: I think my takeaway would be like, just again, it's
- 21:10Speaker 1: not my lane. Just noting it is that if you're
- 21:11Speaker 1: doing that, it's like you're trying to skip over min
- 21:15Speaker 1: Wu thor Kidiyama, whoever else do you brand in, whoever
- 21:18Speaker 1: else you think gets picked there. But then most people
- 21:21Speaker 1: would use it to jam Scotti, so you might want
- 21:23Speaker 1: to go with something different that way. It's not my thought.
- 21:26Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. That's a way that at least
- 21:27Speaker 1: if you're talking that language, I think that's how you'd
- 21:30Speaker 1: be applying that, as opposed to saying like, oh, I'm
- 21:33Speaker 1: just not going to play seven K guys, I'll play
- 21:34Speaker 1: six K guys. I built a line up last night
- 21:36Speaker 1: on Kicking the Draft for the tournament that Spencer put
- 21:40Speaker 1: on with with everybody in the in the setup there
- 21:42Speaker 1: that had no six K guys, and I kind of
- 21:44Speaker 1: liked it was like two nine to two eights, two sevens.
- 21:46Speaker 1: So I mean, just depends what you're looking for and
- 21:48Speaker 1: what you see, Alex. If we don't know the Scotti, right,
- 21:52Speaker 1: I found a couple of different random versions. I'm not
- 21:53Speaker 1: playing any of these, by the way, so you guys
- 21:55Speaker 1: can play what you want, but they're they're all massively
- 21:57Speaker 1: over owned, and they're like, wait, but what is the
- 22:02Speaker 1: non Scottie Like I see Ludvig. I'm sure you're seeing
- 22:05Speaker 1: him pop, you know, I don't know what you see
- 22:06Speaker 1: him for ownership and your GVP scores and things like that,
- 22:09Speaker 1: but I think Ludwig is at ninety seven hundred going
- 22:13Speaker 1: to be popular. I guess you still kind of got
- 22:15Speaker 1: to click in with some of these values, like is
- 22:17Speaker 1: it min Wu. You know, I don't know who people
- 22:21Speaker 1: are going to exactly here in the eights, but what
- 22:23Speaker 1: I guess, like, how do you see this lineup shaking out?
- 22:26Speaker 1: Is it like a got Her Up Hoveland Kidiyama something like,
- 22:32Speaker 1: or how do you see this one playing out? Or
- 22:33Speaker 1: maybe it's like with Nap and then you get Scott,
- 22:37Speaker 1: So this one's four sixty six and over on Ohn.
- 22:41Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it definitely could be something like this.
- 22:44Speaker 2: I also wouldn't be shocked if we saw so basically,
- 22:48Speaker 2: like what this one's doing is it's pulling? What is
- 22:50Speaker 2: it just one one of the low sevens upper sixes
- 22:53Speaker 2: or No? Two? Because Adams Scott man Like it's funny
- 22:56Speaker 2: you hear the names in this in this lineup, Like
- 22:58Speaker 2: if imagine you hadn't seen Pricing yet and someone said
- 23:03Speaker 2: I've got a lineup of Oberg Minually, Chris got her Up,
- 23:06Speaker 2: Victor holand Jake Knapp Adam Scott. What is the cheapest
- 23:09Speaker 2: any of those players are in this lineup? I think
- 23:11Speaker 2: you'd guess like seventy six hundred, seventy seven hundred something
- 23:15Speaker 2: like that, and there are actually two at seventy two
- 23:18Speaker 2: hundred or below in this lineup, So I think that
- 23:21Speaker 2: kind of gives you an indication just of how easy
- 23:24Speaker 2: it's going to be to fit either of these builds
- 23:26Speaker 2: where you either want to load up on the nine
- 23:28Speaker 2: K range or you want to go get Scotty. So
- 23:32Speaker 2: I think that this is probably correct. I also want
- 23:34Speaker 2: to be shocked if we did see a couple lineups
- 23:37Speaker 2: that actually even started lower than Oberg and it was
- 23:41Speaker 2: like you.
- 23:42Speaker 1: Started Hire four sixty nine.
- 23:45Speaker 2: Yeah, or like you know, starting Sea Wu got her
- 23:48Speaker 2: up Hoveland Clark or something like that. Clark is somebody
- 23:51Speaker 2: who I think is going to end up a lot
- 23:52Speaker 2: higher on and then what I currently have. So as
- 23:56Speaker 2: we talked about earlier, like if you look at the
- 23:59Speaker 2: most tipped players in the industry, it's Bomber Bomber, Bomber Bomber,
- 24:02Speaker 2: and I think Wyndham was the most tipped of all.
- 24:04Speaker 2: So I definitely think that he's gonna steam quite a bit. Also,
- 24:07Speaker 2: just someone who's been awesome over the last few months
- 24:10Speaker 2: and just showed last week that oh maybe he's back
- 24:13Speaker 2: and form ball striking has been really good. Obviously, the
- 24:16Speaker 2: putter came back to life last week. So yeah, I
- 24:19Speaker 2: mean it's the other thing here is there are only
- 24:23Speaker 2: fifty players, right, So it's gonna be extremely difficult to
- 24:26Speaker 2: get different on structure alone, because the whole kind of
- 24:31Speaker 2: concept of deviating from structure is that there are so
- 24:36Speaker 2: many players that there are naturally these pockets that just
- 24:39Speaker 2: get overlooked and just don't fit a ton of builds.
- 24:42Speaker 2: But you're not really gonna find that when there are
- 24:45Speaker 2: only fifty players to choose from, Like, everyone's gonna get
- 24:48Speaker 2: at least some attention, and every range is going to
- 24:50Speaker 2: get some amount of attention. Like I think the pocket
- 24:54Speaker 2: that is the most likely to fit this bill of like, hey,
- 24:58Speaker 2: this is just a range of players that gets overlooked
- 25:01Speaker 2: because most builds don't go to them would be Henley
- 25:04Speaker 2: at eighty four through Spawn at seventy six, so like
- 25:10Speaker 2: seventy six hundred to eighty four hundred. But even within
- 25:14Speaker 2: that group, like there are there are four guys that
- 25:17Speaker 2: I have projected for at least ten percent and could
- 25:20Speaker 2: be fifteen percent or more with a JT. Knap, Kidiyama Gerard, Like,
- 25:24Speaker 2: none of those guys steaming would surprise me. And you know,
- 25:28Speaker 2: Tom Kim has been a really popular play of late.
- 25:30Speaker 2: I think the fact that his ownership as low as
- 25:32Speaker 2: is as low as it is right now is reflective
- 25:34Speaker 2: of the fact that people want bombers this week, and
- 25:36Speaker 2: obviously he's not a bomber. But it also when it
- 25:38Speaker 2: surprises me if Tom Kim is like one of the
- 25:40Speaker 2: few short hitters who does end up being thirteen percent,
- 25:44Speaker 2: fifteen percent or something like that. So I do think
- 25:46Speaker 2: this is another week like last week, like a couple actually,
- 25:51Speaker 2: like maybe even a string of events lately have been
- 25:53Speaker 2: where we can't really get different from a composition point
- 25:59Speaker 2: of view. We have to get different through just who
- 26:02Speaker 2: we're playing, or the construction angle that you take, where
- 26:05Speaker 2: it's like maybe we go all in on an early
- 26:07Speaker 2: stack or all in on a bomber stack, or I
- 26:10Speaker 2: think like one of my favorite builds this week might
- 26:12Speaker 2: end up being I want to find like six guys
- 26:16Speaker 2: who all are protected from an ownership perspective because they're
- 26:19Speaker 2: not long off the tee, but they project well, they're
- 26:22Speaker 2: just really good players. So like maybe it starts see
- 26:24Speaker 2: Wu Henley, Tom Kim or something like that, and finish
- 26:27Speaker 2: the line up that way where even if they're all
- 26:31Speaker 2: tend to fifteen percent, Like very very few people are
- 26:34Speaker 2: building an entire lineup without bombers, so you'd be really
- 26:38Speaker 2: really different from a construction perspective in that way.
- 26:40Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is again if you look at this,
- 26:43Speaker 1: and again these are all preliminaries, but like Russell Henley
- 26:47Speaker 1: seventy two, Jake Knapp seventy six, obviously I like nap here.
- 26:52Speaker 1: I'm just noting it, like you could you could get
- 26:53Speaker 1: to Henley. It's four, it's median points. Anyway, I'm just
- 26:56Speaker 1: noting it. You look at marikoua seventy six, Oh, but
- 26:58Speaker 1: I gotta play god her upper hoblin do you like
- 27:01Speaker 1: they're two to three points higher? That's that Sea Wu
- 27:04Speaker 1: you talked about. I mean, these projections are are probably
- 27:07Speaker 1: light too, but I'm just noting with the rough draft,
- 27:08Speaker 1: but in general, because of you know, Sea Wu net
- 27:13Speaker 1: right today versus what about just a month ago? Every
- 27:16Speaker 1: time Seawou was on paper, it was like, how is
- 27:18Speaker 1: he this cheap? Like he's got ball striking numbers like Scotty.
- 27:21Speaker 1: This season he's Scotty's buddy, Like everything's been about Sea Woo.
- 27:23Speaker 1: Now it's not like you said, it's still a really
- 27:25Speaker 1: good player. Now what if you do that and start
- 27:27Speaker 1: with Sea Wu. Well, I just built I'm not filling
- 27:30Speaker 1: it out because it's not my lineup. I'm just noting it.
- 27:31Speaker 1: But it's like a Sea Wou. All these guys, people
- 27:35Speaker 1: are talking about them, but they're not gonna be about them.
- 27:37Speaker 1: All these probably actually come in sub these three right here,
- 27:41Speaker 1: two of them already are on rough draft, probably sub
- 27:43Speaker 1: ten maybe right there Sea Wu. You never know he's
- 27:47Speaker 1: like I hit or miss because then people get onto
- 27:48Speaker 1: him late. He's ninety one. Like people don't love Decky
- 27:51Speaker 1: this week because you know withdraw risk and I think
- 27:54Speaker 1: he's actually withdrew from this tournament a couple of times,
- 27:56Speaker 1: which people after that in but no showdown in the
- 27:58Speaker 1: bag and all these different factors people bringing up that
- 28:00Speaker 1: I hear from narratives. We're not narrative street, we're leverage lane,
- 28:03Speaker 1: but just noting it. Talking to your point, Well, what
- 28:06Speaker 1: did you just say to us? You said JJ spawn
- 28:10Speaker 1: up to Henley kind of going overlooked. Oh, you can
- 28:12Speaker 1: fill out the last two guys in your lineup with
- 28:14Speaker 1: two guys directly from that range. So it's just an example,
- 28:18Speaker 1: but it's just explaining again of like that's where you're
- 28:21Speaker 1: making a decision that's fueled on okay, but these are
- 28:24Speaker 1: all still really good golfers. This is like the best
- 28:27Speaker 1: of the best already, so any it's it's when you
- 28:29Speaker 1: get you know, we're just at it. The Fantasy Golf
- 28:32Speaker 1: World Championship fifty finalists that get in, Yeah, it's gonna
- 28:37Speaker 1: come down to some variants because guess how they got there.
- 28:39Speaker 1: They're typically the better players and the best in the
- 28:41Speaker 1: world at this game. You didn't just get in, by
- 28:44Speaker 1: the way. That was the part where people could get
- 28:46Speaker 1: a little bit lucky and have variants fall in their
- 28:48Speaker 1: favor but then you got to go two hundred to
- 28:50Speaker 1: one and one hundred and fifty. Once you get there,
- 28:52Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, these are the favorites, but these guys
- 28:55Speaker 1: are also really good, and those guys are just as
- 28:57Speaker 1: good and they've won read like anybody can do it.
- 28:59Speaker 1: So I like your thought process here, and it may
- 29:02Speaker 1: come up again later a little bit, but I'll let
- 29:04Speaker 1: you get to some more stuff here when we talk
- 29:07Speaker 1: about leveraging it. You did hit on a couple key
- 29:09Speaker 1: points there. One I think is, again, it's not just
- 29:12Speaker 1: about the bomber narrative. This is kind of any week
- 29:14Speaker 1: you've done this actually really well too, where there's weeks
- 29:16Speaker 1: where there's a quote unquote wave advantage and it's like, yeah,
- 29:20Speaker 1: but it's like a one stroke, like I'll take it,
- 29:22Speaker 1: and I would put some lineups towards that if I
- 29:24Speaker 1: was playing a portfolio, But for my single entry, I
- 29:27Speaker 1: really don't see it being enough that's gonna knock all
- 29:30Speaker 1: of my guys out from making the cut. And there
- 29:33Speaker 1: is so many good options that I love. Four of
- 29:36Speaker 1: them are falling into the AM. Everyone's on the PM
- 29:40Speaker 1: because it's a perceived edge, and I already like four
- 29:42Speaker 1: a lot from the other side. I'm just gonna commit
- 29:44Speaker 1: to that. Put two more in, finish it out. Compare
- 29:47Speaker 1: some two v twos. It makes your life kind of easy.
- 29:49Speaker 1: At that point, I got four. I love, they're on
- 29:51Speaker 1: the opposite side. I'm getting an ownership break based on that.
- 29:54Speaker 1: Now my TWOV two becomes which two fall from that side?
- 29:57Speaker 1: And guess what becomes easier then tie breakers because you're like, well,
- 30:00Speaker 1: I love this TWOV two, but it's it's a five
- 30:02Speaker 1: to one. I'm pretty committed to this. Now I'm gonna
- 30:05Speaker 1: go with the next best thing to that person, Boom,
- 30:07Speaker 1: your two v two closes out, and people like, how
- 30:09Speaker 1: the hell did you get to that? There was a
- 30:11Speaker 1: process we just walked through how you got to it,
- 30:14Speaker 1: but so many people don't see it that way. Is
- 30:16Speaker 1: there any other thoughts around leveraging those chalk builds we
- 30:19Speaker 1: just talked about that you could see and then what
- 30:20Speaker 1: are the common themes that you're pulling from it that
- 30:22Speaker 1: we just went through.
- 30:24Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of it is. I so
- 30:29Speaker 2: one thing I'll say here, and I'm going to reiterate
- 30:31Speaker 2: this in my in my leverage lane later. But this
- 30:34Speaker 2: is a really hard week for ownership because it's like
- 30:39Speaker 2: when when the field is compacted to only fifty players,
- 30:42Speaker 2: it makes it abundantly clear to everyone playing DFS that
- 30:47Speaker 2: you've got to try a little bit harder to be
- 30:49Speaker 2: contralling than usual. Like you know, in a in a
- 30:52Speaker 2: major championship field, most of the time someone could say,
- 30:55Speaker 2: I don't care about ownership. I'm gonna play my six
- 30:58Speaker 2: favorite players, and somewhere in that lineup they're gonna stumble
- 31:01Speaker 2: into a potential separator. So, like you know, there's there's
- 31:07Speaker 2: not that much of an effort from the field of
- 31:09Speaker 2: saying how can I be unpredictable this week? This is
- 31:14Speaker 2: a week where so much of the field is saying,
- 31:17Speaker 2: how can I be unpredictable? How can I do something
- 31:19Speaker 2: that people aren't expecting me to do, whether that's taking
- 31:23Speaker 2: a risk and playing Rory this week when when everyone
- 31:26Speaker 2: else thinks that, you know, he's not ready and he's
- 31:28Speaker 2: just gonna struggle his way through again trying to get
- 31:32Speaker 2: his game ready for next week, but even then, who
- 31:34Speaker 2: knows if he'll be ready to really ball out then,
- 31:37Speaker 2: or it's you know, taking the route that we just
- 31:39Speaker 2: talked about where it's okay, well what if I don't
- 31:41Speaker 2: play bombers, what if I go with an accuracy stack instead.
- 31:46Speaker 2: All of this is to say, like, one of the
- 31:49Speaker 2: things that I think is worth doing and one of
- 31:51Speaker 2: the ways that we can kind of leverage the field
- 31:53Speaker 2: this week is just look for opportunities where we know
- 31:57Speaker 2: there's ownership protection and and I think the main one
- 32:01Speaker 2: that I have so far is is just the idea
- 32:04Speaker 2: of kind of steering clear of bomber centric lineups or
- 32:09Speaker 2: going all in and saying I'm not going to play
- 32:11Speaker 2: a single guy in my lineup who isn't a bomber,
- 32:14Speaker 2: and that way you know, it's it's similar to the
- 32:17Speaker 2: idea of wave sacking when you go six to ozh right,
- 32:19Speaker 2: It's like, if you're going if you're going to lean
- 32:22Speaker 2: into the distance narrative, you should lean into it more
- 32:26Speaker 2: than anybody else does. You should make it such that
- 32:28Speaker 2: like what if this field or what if this course
- 32:32Speaker 2: plays like the Houston Open, where it's like it's almost
- 32:35Speaker 2: a prerequisite that you need a ball speed of one
- 32:37Speaker 2: to eighty five plus to have a great chance of contending.
- 32:41Speaker 2: And if you're if you're leaning into that and you
- 32:44Speaker 2: have five bombers, you don't want your last pick to
- 32:47Speaker 2: be Seawoo Kim instead of Chris gotter Up. It just
- 32:49Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, right, And so I would say, like
- 32:53Speaker 2: you either want to really really make sure that you're
- 32:56Speaker 2: going in on it or kind of just steer clear
- 32:59Speaker 2: of it altogether. I think that's probably a better approach
- 33:02Speaker 2: than having a lineup where you've got like three bombers
- 33:04Speaker 2: and three straight guys, or four bombers and two just
- 33:08Speaker 2: like kind of long, but they're more accurate than they
- 33:11Speaker 2: are along things like that, And so I would say
- 33:14Speaker 2: that's probably the number one thing that I think is
- 33:17Speaker 2: worth keeping in mind this week. But again it's it's
- 33:19Speaker 2: just a hard week to get ownership right, and so
- 33:23Speaker 2: that's gonna be kind of the focal point of my
- 33:25Speaker 2: leverage lane.
- 33:26Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll talk about that more. Like I said,
- 33:28Speaker 1: it's obviously a smaller field people talk about that. I
- 33:29Speaker 1: think there's some other good questions that came up that
- 33:31Speaker 1: I want to answer as well. I know Oracle brought
- 33:34Speaker 1: this up about fan duel. It's only one guy. I mean,
- 33:36Speaker 1: they have the range, but I'm saying one guy at
- 33:38Speaker 1: six k flat, and again, you got to look at
- 33:40Speaker 1: how you're using it and also just remember it's fine
- 33:42Speaker 1: to use it, but think about what everybody else that's
- 33:44Speaker 1: using it as doing. The minute you put one of
- 33:46Speaker 1: those six k guys in, most are going to go
- 33:48Speaker 1: to Scotty, you know, Ludwig whatever the chalk is over
- 33:51Speaker 1: on FanDuel. So I'm just saying that's gonna be a
- 33:54Speaker 1: common thing. But they're trying to get different, which I'm happy.
- 33:56Speaker 1: I want that innovation. I know they've got the NFL
- 33:58Speaker 1: Week one five dollars miser where you know there is
- 34:01Speaker 1: a one week delay on it, so don't. If you're
- 34:03Speaker 1: not normally playing seven or fifty bucks a week, don't
- 34:05Speaker 1: do it because you just have to play through it
- 34:08Speaker 1: all the next week. But at the end of the day,
- 34:10Speaker 1: you can put the seven or fifty bucks in. Every
- 34:13Speaker 1: dollar you lose, you'll get back, and then you can
- 34:15Speaker 1: play it again the next week. So I think that's
- 34:17Speaker 1: kind of interesting as well. Somebody has there. I was
- 34:20Speaker 1: Gary shut up to Gary said, with only fifty guys,
- 34:22Speaker 1: You've talked about this plenty in the past. I want
- 34:24Speaker 1: to ask you, does any of this change? And now
- 34:26Speaker 1: I got to follow up on something else, but does
- 34:28Speaker 1: any of this change for you about leaving money on
- 34:31Speaker 1: this week? I mean, one hundred to five hundred to
- 34:33Speaker 1: me is still fine because it's whatever. But I'm just
- 34:35Speaker 1: I'm not going over the top to be like, let
- 34:36Speaker 1: me leave out Ludwig and play Wyndham Clark and leave
- 34:40Speaker 1: the thousand like it is what it is. Those guys
- 34:42Speaker 1: are both capable, but just like my point, I'm gonna
- 34:44Speaker 1: make it a minute. You're trying to pinpoint too much.
- 34:48Speaker 1: When you do that, it's like, could you be correct
- 34:50Speaker 1: on the one decision? Possibly? Yeah, Wyndham could beat beat
- 34:54Speaker 1: Ludwig this week. But you're acting as though that's it's
- 34:56Speaker 1: a matchup. Bet, it is not. You're putting together a
- 34:59Speaker 1: six person lineup that still needs to come through. So
- 35:02Speaker 1: what are those other moves that you didn't make or
- 35:04Speaker 1: that you left that did that? So that's why I
- 35:06Speaker 1: don't mess with that too much. Looks like you're shaking
- 35:08Speaker 1: your head. No, what's your thoughts? Yeah?
- 35:10Speaker 2: You do you want me to go through like the
- 35:11Speaker 2: long answer again? Or should we should we opt for
- 35:14Speaker 2: the TLDR version.
- 35:15Speaker 1: TLDR is good for this show, I think because again
- 35:18Speaker 1: it's been talked about, we've mentioned it again, we're against it,
- 35:21Speaker 1: so I don't even really go and do it any further.
- 35:22Speaker 1: But I think you should just go to your TLDR.
- 35:24Speaker 1: And then I got another point I don't want to forget.
- 35:26Speaker 2: Yeah, the TLDR version is essentially just when when you
- 35:29Speaker 2: leave a lot of money on the table, Let's say
- 35:31Speaker 2: it's five hundred dollars, as you kind of just stated, like,
- 35:34Speaker 2: let's if you're leaving five hundred or if you're leaving
- 35:37Speaker 2: six hundred dollars when you have Sea wou Kim in
- 35:40Speaker 2: the lineup, and no, Oberg, you are asking sea Wu
- 35:44Speaker 2: to now also beat Fitzpatrick, Cam Jung Ludvig Oberg. When
- 35:48Speaker 2: if you had Sea Wu and no money left on
- 35:51Speaker 2: the table, he only has to beat the guys below him,
- 35:53Speaker 2: So you're asking him to beat more guys. But that's
- 35:56Speaker 2: also true of all six players in your lineup, every
- 35:59Speaker 2: single one of the eyes in your lineup. When you're
- 36:01Speaker 2: leaving six hundred on the table, you're now also asking
- 36:04Speaker 2: him to beat everybody who's above him by less than
- 36:08Speaker 2: six hundred dollars or less than seven hundred dollars. So
- 36:11Speaker 2: you're just asking so much more of your players. And
- 36:15Speaker 2: the consequence of that is lineups that leave that much
- 36:18Speaker 2: money on the table don't do as well. And I
- 36:23Speaker 2: think i'll offer for like a hybrid answer here. The
- 36:26Speaker 2: latter part to that is, imagine yourself on Sunday. You've
- 36:30Speaker 2: got a sweat. You've got like, obviously we only have
- 36:33Speaker 2: six guys in our lineup. Three of them, you know,
- 36:35Speaker 2: are like you got to have this guy. You know,
- 36:38Speaker 2: they're they're all eight thousand or below, they're all contending
- 36:41Speaker 2: for the win. They've been making a bunch of birdies,
- 36:43Speaker 2: like you know that three is correct, And so now
- 36:47Speaker 2: everyone that you're trying to beat everyone you're dueling with
- 36:50Speaker 2: to get into the top one percent and to get
- 36:52Speaker 2: the actual takedown. It's about how well your other three
- 36:55Speaker 2: v three does, and that other three v three is
- 36:59Speaker 2: going to have infinitely more possible opponents if you left
- 37:03Speaker 2: six hundred dollars on the table, then if you didn't,
- 37:06Speaker 2: And that to me is like the the nail in
- 37:10Speaker 2: the coffin against leaving money on the table. You you
- 37:13Speaker 2: want to be up against as few possible combinations of
- 37:16Speaker 2: players as possible when you've got the right three and
- 37:19Speaker 2: you're just you know, sometimes it's the right four and
- 37:21Speaker 2: it's two v two And now if you left no
- 37:23Speaker 2: money on the table, it's like you could be beat
- 37:25Speaker 2: by six possible combinations of players. And if you left
- 37:28Speaker 2: six hundred on the table, it's not six possible combos.
- 37:31Speaker 2: It's like one hundred and forty something or something like that,
- 37:34Speaker 2: right like you, It's it's crazy how quickly it stacks
- 37:37Speaker 2: up against you with like every additional one hundred dollars
- 37:40Speaker 2: that you leave on the table.
- 37:41Speaker 1: In that way, the combinations are important. That's it's a
- 37:43Speaker 1: good segue because that's the second part was gonna lead
- 37:45Speaker 1: to your previous point you'd made about like if you're
- 37:47Speaker 1: going five bomb people will say this week, Well wait
- 37:49Speaker 1: a second, you know, Tambo Alex, you guys just said
- 37:52Speaker 1: six bombers are going to be a popular build. Why
- 37:54Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't a five to one be in my favor
- 37:58Speaker 1: if I did that? Like if I went five bombers,
- 37:59Speaker 1: and then what are you gonna pick the random needle
- 38:01Speaker 1: in the haystack? Like you just got it right with Nora,
- 38:03Speaker 1: And what if you went to like you said, somebody else,
- 38:06Speaker 1: like a Henley and it ended up being the guy
- 38:08Speaker 1: down low you needed? Like there's so many flips in
- 38:10Speaker 1: that build that you're saying you're gonna pinpoint the one.
- 38:13Speaker 1: And what if it is just like you said, almost
- 38:14Speaker 1: like a Houston Open a prerequisite you need one hundred
- 38:17Speaker 1: and eighty five plus ball speed, Well then you want
- 38:19Speaker 1: it just to have it, and you can get different
- 38:21Speaker 1: in other ways, whether it's one hundred and to hundred
- 38:22Speaker 1: bucks on the table, a lower owned option separator, a
- 38:25Speaker 1: different type of construction, not just who you're playing, but
- 38:28Speaker 1: who you're not playing if you're leaving. You know, five
- 38:30Speaker 1: of the top six owned guys out of your building
- 38:33Speaker 1: going with the secondary bomber pool, Like, there's so many
- 38:35Speaker 1: other ways to do it than trying to be that
- 38:37Speaker 1: hero with the crystal glass crystal ball and saying I
- 38:40Speaker 1: got the glass ball here. That tells me it's this
- 38:43Speaker 1: one off that I need this week. That's that's really
- 38:45Speaker 1: tricky to thread the needle on.
- 38:47Speaker 2: I think a really important point there is understanding how
- 38:51Speaker 2: most people build lineups and how that's different from like
- 38:54Speaker 2: the way that we are talking about building lineups, where
- 38:57Speaker 2: we're saying it makes sense to make you're like, first decision,
- 39:01Speaker 2: I want to build a bomber stack, and then you
- 39:04Speaker 2: go find your six bombers that fit the lineup. The
- 39:07Speaker 2: way most people build lineups, even in a week like this,
- 39:09Speaker 2: even when they think or know that distance is really important,
- 39:14Speaker 2: they're not starting with the decision of the type of
- 39:17Speaker 2: player that they want. They're going player by player. They're
- 39:20Speaker 2: finding players that they like, and so they might go
- 39:23Speaker 2: through the list and they might say, like, Ooh, Alex
- 39:25Speaker 2: Norn was awesome last week. He's been great three weeks
- 39:27Speaker 2: in a row. I'll play him this week. Ooh, Kidiyama,
- 39:30Speaker 2: he fits the bomber narrative. This week Jake Napp, he
- 39:33Speaker 2: fits the bomber narrative this week, right, And then they
- 39:35Speaker 2: go up and they say, oh, many, Decky's been awesome
- 39:37Speaker 2: for weeks in a row. I'll play him.
- 39:39Speaker 1: Right.
- 39:39Speaker 2: So they're finding reasons to play players, and distance is
- 39:43Speaker 2: one of those main reasons that they're finding for why
- 39:45Speaker 2: they should use somebody. But they're not going to land
- 39:48Speaker 2: on a six to zero very often because they're not
- 39:51Speaker 2: starting with that decision to actually build a lineup full
- 39:54Speaker 2: of six bombers, and they're not automatically excluding people who
- 39:58Speaker 2: aren't bombers. They're just looking looking for you know, they're
- 40:02Speaker 2: just using distance as a reason to be excited about
- 40:05Speaker 2: a potential click. And that's why we consistently see that,
- 40:10Speaker 2: whether it's an early stack, whether it's a bomber stack,
- 40:14Speaker 2: or you know, sometimes it's an accuracy stack, we very
- 40:18Speaker 2: rarely see six to zero because people are building player
- 40:21Speaker 2: out instead of lineup in the way that we kind
- 40:24Speaker 2: of talk about it.
- 40:25Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, man, that's the thing. And I
- 40:27Speaker 1: don't think, like you said, of people focus on that.
- 40:30Speaker 1: We've talked about a ton. If you go to this
- 40:32Speaker 1: very YouTube channel under videos, look at the latest video
- 40:34Speaker 1: from nine days ago. We did record a new Tools,
- 40:37Speaker 1: New Models, New Edge process video breaking it all down.
- 40:40Speaker 1: We do have more of a collaboration upcoming that will
- 40:43Speaker 1: be just sort of a first come, first serve special edition.
- 40:46Speaker 1: There will be a wait list for that that we'll
- 40:47Speaker 1: talk about with people and put it out there. Just
- 40:49Speaker 1: further elaborating to next question. We absolutely do have a
- 40:52Speaker 1: show together. We do this show during NFL. We haven't
- 40:55Speaker 1: got the date and time down yet, but I think
- 40:56Speaker 1: last year we did it on Saturdays, I want to say,
- 40:58Speaker 1: and we had like the latest information. I can't remember
- 41:00Speaker 1: what day we.
- 41:01Speaker 2: Do, mostly don't even remember. It might have been Fridays,
- 41:03Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm I think Saturday is probably I we'll
- 41:07Speaker 2: talk about that. We'll figure it out.
- 41:08Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be Saturday. We'll see. But we both, Yeah,
- 41:10Speaker 1: we don't take weekends off, especially not in this spot
- 41:12Speaker 1: and with what's on the line. We're playing. Like we said,
- 41:14Speaker 1: we're both in the forty four to forty four Mega
- 41:16Speaker 1: this week, and a lot of shows out there, people
- 41:17Speaker 1: are doing a lot of talking, not a lot of walking,
- 41:19Speaker 1: and that's a problem sometimes for people. So to each
- 41:22Speaker 1: their own whatever people like. But we definitely play in
- 41:24Speaker 1: the streets and have success doing so. So we're trying
- 41:26Speaker 1: to bring that to both our major sports, which are
- 41:29Speaker 1: PGA and NFL Marquee Sports. I want to address this
- 41:32Speaker 1: one quickly just because to Hoop is not going anywhere.
- 41:34Speaker 1: Hoop is definitely back. He never left and for NFL
- 41:37Speaker 1: he was there one hundred percent of the time and
- 41:39Speaker 1: he'll be right back in his chair for that. I
- 41:41Speaker 1: think people were thinking like, oh, we haven't seen him.
- 41:43Speaker 1: For PGA, we've got Blickel, We've got Matt Gannon who's
- 41:46Speaker 1: been doing boots on the ground before that rest in
- 41:48Speaker 1: peace to the Big Guy going to the Big Guy event.
- 41:50Speaker 1: This week, we had DJN, so it was always set
- 41:52Speaker 1: up where like Hoop was doing mostly NFL and then
- 41:55Speaker 1: filling in as needed and then of course running the
- 41:57Speaker 1: business on the back end. But Hoop will definitely be
- 41:59Speaker 1: We've got the regular show for the Classic Slate excited
- 42:02Speaker 1: him title, and myself will be back the three Man Booth,
- 42:05Speaker 1: and then we got the Monday night and Thursday night football,
- 42:07Speaker 1: plus all the Island games, the Thanksgivings and all that,
- 42:10Speaker 1: so you won't be missing out. I will say this
- 42:12Speaker 1: just a time out for a quick two second marketing
- 42:14Speaker 1: because the topic just came up. If you're a member
- 42:17Speaker 1: at ship a Nation, next Tuesday at two pm Eastern,
- 42:21Speaker 1: it's a member's only live stream, our first ever nation communication.
- 42:24Speaker 1: We're going to introduce Ben, the new CEO. We're going
- 42:26Speaker 1: to break down all the new offerings and everything that
- 42:29Speaker 1: you guys can look at and take advantage of. And
- 42:31Speaker 1: if you're a member, you won't want to miss out.
- 42:33Speaker 1: If you get in before then with any of the
- 42:35Speaker 1: promos right now, you'll be a member, so you can
- 42:37Speaker 1: take advantage. But it is going to be for members only,
- 42:39Speaker 1: from founding family, big guys right up to everybody on
- 42:42Speaker 1: the Sabersim packages. If you're not a member and you're
- 42:45Speaker 1: waiting for the promos and the surprises, and you know,
- 42:48Speaker 1: we've been offully quiet this year, but we got something
- 42:50Speaker 1: very big coming. It'll be next Thursday. I believe it's
- 42:53Speaker 1: not set in stone yet, but I think it'll be
- 42:55Speaker 1: the twenty seventh of August. You'll want to stay tuned.
- 42:57Speaker 1: But if you're a member Tuesday, August twenty five, two
- 43:00Speaker 1: pm Eastern, it'll be posted in the Announcements channel and
- 43:03Speaker 1: there'll be a special link there for that. I just
- 43:06Speaker 1: don't know golf profit. You might have came in late,
- 43:08Speaker 1: no problem, but this is just so you see. Well,
- 43:11Speaker 1: we'll definitely stand by our numbers, I know, between Alex
- 43:13Speaker 1: at his site and our site and professionals like sheets
- 43:16Speaker 1: and guys going over it for months on end. Now
- 43:18Speaker 1: the members in the chat can tell you there's very
- 43:21Speaker 1: accurate ownership but between both of our sites, and we'll
- 43:23Speaker 1: see how that works in the future as well. But
- 43:25Speaker 1: this is a rough draft. I agree with you, Hadeki
- 43:28Speaker 1: definitely won't be fifteen, nor will I don't think Rory
- 43:30Speaker 1: will come anywhere near seventeen, but we make those ajustice.
- 43:33Speaker 1: We do two more adjustments to the ownership before we
- 43:36Speaker 1: put this out final.
- 43:37Speaker 2: The thing with the Hideki coming is I don't know
- 43:40Speaker 2: if he's saying he's gonna be more owned than that
- 43:44Speaker 2: or less owned than that, which makes me think it's
- 43:45Speaker 2: a pretty good ownership projection. And I've got him like
- 43:48Speaker 2: right at fifteen percent as well, so I think.
- 43:50Speaker 1: He'll come in less and I know you'll you'll be
- 43:51Speaker 1: making a jog again. Obviously very accurate ownership projections. You
- 43:54Speaker 1: do this for a living, so that's here. You know
- 43:55Speaker 1: you're set up there, but I'm not gonna I'm not
- 43:58Speaker 1: really trying to like argue it. I'm just saying just
- 44:00Speaker 1: so we want people to be aware we're working with
- 44:01Speaker 1: rough draft. Obviously, all the final stuff will be at
- 44:03Speaker 1: both our applicable sites. You can go to ship at
- 44:05Speaker 1: nation dot com Wednesday night after five pm Eastern six
- 44:08Speaker 1: pm Eastern depending on time zones and slates and everything
- 44:11Speaker 1: like that where they're playing and get the final draft
- 44:14Speaker 1: and it's been very accurate. Alex's stuff is the same,
- 44:17Speaker 1: and it's I don't think he's a withdraw risk. I
- 44:19Speaker 1: think people think he is, or want to push this
- 44:21Speaker 1: into their mind that he could because of this you
- 44:23Speaker 1: know tournament and you know him already being in the time,
- 44:26Speaker 1: like all the different factors about Hideki, people always think
- 44:29Speaker 1: stuff bad about him. The truth of it is he's
- 44:32Speaker 1: probably helped people at low ownership more than he's hurt
- 44:36Speaker 1: people at high ownership, because even those weeks he wdeed,
- 44:39Speaker 1: it's not always I know what you'll remember. It's like
- 44:41Speaker 1: when your aces got beat by Kings. You'll definitely remember
- 44:44Speaker 1: that in a hand, but you don't remember all the
- 44:46Speaker 1: time your threes sucked. Out on aces with a set
- 44:49Speaker 1: on the flop and it's like, oh, I crushed them,
- 44:51Speaker 1: but that's what I'm supposed to do. I played good
- 44:52Speaker 1: or whatever. People don't think about that. Hideki's usually not
- 44:56Speaker 1: super high owned or anything like that as well. Scooter,
- 45:01Speaker 1: I think is asking about the teaser that we're talking about.
- 45:03Speaker 1: It will not be Leverage Lane related. It will not
- 45:06Speaker 1: be something publicly put out there like we just did
- 45:09Speaker 1: the free show to show you, like the very scrape
- 45:11Speaker 1: of the surface. This is something we've been working on
- 45:13Speaker 1: behind the scenes that we're excited to put out for
- 45:15Speaker 1: you guys. And I think the feedback and the excitement
- 45:18Speaker 1: around wanting something like this between DFS Mastermind and Blick
- 45:21Speaker 1: Analytics and everybody in the background at Shipping Nation as well,
- 45:24Speaker 1: that's asking for more content. This is something they'll be
- 45:26Speaker 1: looking for. So again, when we put the announcement out,
- 45:29Speaker 1: make sure to get on that wait list and be
- 45:31Speaker 1: ready for that.
- 45:31Speaker 2: Yeah, just real quick on that. It's something that like
- 45:34Speaker 2: we've been asked about very specifically if we could do
- 45:37Speaker 2: something like it, and so yeah, the answer is yes
- 45:40Speaker 2: we can.
- 45:41Speaker 1: That's a great point because that's you know, one of
- 45:44Speaker 1: our focuses, and where leverage lane was originally adapted from
- 45:48Speaker 1: was people saying that all the content is the same
- 45:51Speaker 1: and all people always talk about MME and portfolios and
- 45:54Speaker 1: all that. Okay, well let's talk about leverage lane and
- 45:56Speaker 1: how you might leverage you know, when you're only playing
- 45:58Speaker 1: one to five lineups. And then I the feature of like, okay,
- 46:01Speaker 1: what if you were extrapolating on that and building it
- 46:03Speaker 1: out and expanding. Okay, we can do that too, But
- 46:06Speaker 1: in general, even when we talk about our leverage lane
- 46:08Speaker 1: at the end, we're talking about for me, it's like
- 46:10Speaker 1: the two hundred dollars single entry with fifty kop top
- 46:13Speaker 1: and how I'm attacking that field. So and also said,
- 46:16Speaker 1: you know, talking about Blicklytics, I think there's a bunch
- 46:19Speaker 1: of different ones. The blick scored I like, it's you know,
- 46:21Speaker 1: blick Analytics is the site. You can go check it
- 46:23Speaker 1: out blick analytics dot com. But yeah, it's it's way
- 46:26Speaker 1: more of like, yeah, I mean, you could talk about
- 46:29Speaker 1: it better, but I would say, like the data, the tools,
- 46:31Speaker 1: the add on, It's not just projections and ownership. It's
- 46:34Speaker 1: like how you can take the data, the roster construction stuff,
- 46:37Speaker 1: is amazing like all of that, and the video has
- 46:39Speaker 1: the promo code in if you guys want to use
- 46:41Speaker 1: promo code Tambo in conjunction with the ship It Nation
- 46:43Speaker 1: and Everything affiliate agreement, you can go check it out
- 46:46Speaker 1: and get twenty percent off your first month. So definitely
- 46:48Speaker 1: go do that. But you can talk about it more
- 46:50Speaker 1: if you want, Alex right now, and then we'll get
- 46:51Speaker 1: back to how we can go to the betting segment
- 46:53Speaker 1: one and done topic and get out of here.
- 46:55Speaker 2: Let's just go to one and done because I'm gonna
- 46:57Speaker 2: talk a little bit about it in the leverage lane.
- 46:59Speaker 2: So well that'll covered.
- 47:00Speaker 1: There, all right, perfect, So if you guys want to
- 47:03Speaker 1: talk about one and done and you have specific stuff,
- 47:05Speaker 1: please yeah, throw it in the chat. But one and
- 47:07Speaker 1: done right now, Alex is very specific, like my dad
- 47:09Speaker 1: and I are in a couple together, one of the
- 47:11Speaker 1: Mayo one, one of the ship It Nation ones. I
- 47:13Speaker 1: got in those for Christmas. His textas morning was like, Okay,
- 47:16Speaker 1: I got a chance to men cash the Mayo cup.
- 47:19Speaker 1: I need a winner. I'm gonna go with this guy,
- 47:21Speaker 1: I think, And then his one about the ship It
- 47:24Speaker 1: Nation one was like we're probably dead there, so just
- 47:26Speaker 1: put whoever you want it And I was like, we're
- 47:28Speaker 1: definitely dead there, Dad, So you know that's that's part
- 47:31Speaker 1: of it. But any any thoughts on one and done
- 47:34Speaker 1: this week from a high level, just of the fact
- 47:36Speaker 1: that like obviously everybody's in a completely different position based
- 47:39Speaker 1: on the spot this week.
- 47:40Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so hard to say, uh and to
- 47:43Speaker 2: give like there's no like evergreen advice I can give
- 47:46Speaker 2: at this point. You know where you stand, make a
- 47:49Speaker 2: pick that makes sense based on where you stand at
- 47:51Speaker 2: disappoint in the season. I think you've you've heard us
- 47:53Speaker 2: talk through like the way in which you should make
- 47:56Speaker 2: one and done decisions.
- 47:57Speaker 1: Enough.
- 47:58Speaker 2: The one thing I will is remember that we have
- 48:02Speaker 2: been we found a lot of success kind of gauging
- 48:07Speaker 2: one and done ownership on course fit. People really like
- 48:10Speaker 2: to lean into the course fit narrative of the week
- 48:14Speaker 2: for their one and done selection, which makes me think
- 48:16Speaker 2: that the popular guys this week are gonna be guys
- 48:19Speaker 2: who hit the ball for and so this is a
- 48:21Speaker 2: pretty good week probably to go with a Tommy Headecki
- 48:25Speaker 2: see wu, you know, Colin Morikawa, someone from that group
- 48:29Speaker 2: instead of the obvious bombers.
- 48:32Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's like you said, there's a
- 48:33Speaker 1: couple thoughts of if you're up top, obviously you can
- 48:37Speaker 1: see who's in front of you, Like you're literally in
- 48:38Speaker 1: the top ten right now, you can see who's got
- 48:41Speaker 1: what in front of you, And if you want to
- 48:42Speaker 1: make your decision based off of that, like Okay, you've
- 48:45Speaker 1: got Wyndham Clark and the guy in first has Wyndam
- 48:49Speaker 1: Clark but nobody else does, and you're like, well, he's
- 48:51Speaker 1: probably gonna use Wyndam Clark and I'm not good with
- 48:54Speaker 1: second place. I want to play to win. That's how
- 48:56Speaker 1: I think. That's my mindset here. I'm going for the
- 48:59Speaker 1: gusto do it. Or you could say, you know what,
- 49:02Speaker 1: it's Wyndham Clark week, nobody has anybody good left. I
- 49:04Speaker 1: feel like it's sham. I'll take second if that hits.
- 49:06Speaker 1: I'm not saying to me what I would do. I'm
- 49:08Speaker 1: just noting for you. Like everybody thinks differently. That's why
- 49:10Speaker 1: it's hard for Alex and I to say, like, you
- 49:12Speaker 1: gotta do this. But also I think if you're like
- 49:14Speaker 1: top fifty, top one hundred, too many people try and
- 49:17Speaker 1: overthink and it's like, just get the guy who you
- 49:20Speaker 1: want to go down on that. You feel like as
- 49:21Speaker 1: far as like go down with I should say, like
- 49:24Speaker 1: you think about who you're going to actually put your
- 49:26Speaker 1: money on, and say, get me the best amount of
- 49:29Speaker 1: money and score that you can and I'll just take
- 49:31Speaker 1: the results as they happen, because you don't want to
- 49:34Speaker 1: play somebody just like, oh, I overthought it. I ended
- 49:37Speaker 1: up going with this thing because they said this. You
- 49:39Speaker 1: drop back to like, you know, one of the chalk
- 49:41Speaker 1: pieces that everybody has left smashes, and you go from
- 49:44Speaker 1: a really good spot or where you would have landed
- 49:46Speaker 1: like top ten and really good money versus dropping to
- 49:49Speaker 1: like three hundredths now, and you're like, damn, everybody had
- 49:51Speaker 1: this guy. I could have just played him and take
- 49:53Speaker 1: what I got. It's kind of like late swapping on
- 49:56Speaker 1: a Sunday in an NFL large, you know, small tournament
- 49:58Speaker 1: where you can kind of see some stuff, but you
- 50:00Speaker 1: can't see it all, and there's people behind you with
- 50:02Speaker 1: game stacks and people in front of you. It's like, yeah,
- 50:05Speaker 1: you're probably not shipping it. Maybe you are, but you
- 50:07Speaker 1: need to get whoever's going to get you the most
- 50:09Speaker 1: points because you still want the top possible score that
- 50:13Speaker 1: you can get when you're sitting second and you see
- 50:15Speaker 1: what first has, that's when you can start to make
- 50:17Speaker 1: some of those metagame and okay, if this, then that,
- 50:20Speaker 1: and here's what I'm up against. But it's tougher in
- 50:22Speaker 1: one and done. From that perspective, I don't have too
- 50:24Speaker 1: much else to add. If you're completely out of it
- 50:26Speaker 1: and you need to min cash, do not pick the
- 50:28Speaker 1: most popular golfer of the week, probably just because it
- 50:30Speaker 1: depends on how close you are, but you're gonna need
- 50:32Speaker 1: an outlier to get there.
- 50:35Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as the as far as betting is
- 50:37Speaker 2: concerned this week, there's one point I want to make
- 50:39Speaker 2: about outrights this week that I think is an important one.
- 50:43Speaker 2: The effect of the smaller field is pretty important. And
- 50:46Speaker 2: so for some context like last week, see who Kim
- 50:49Speaker 2: was second place. Data Golf had him estimated at plus
- 50:53Speaker 2: three point one true strokes gained per round, so plus
- 50:57Speaker 2: three point one second place context. He gained three point
- 51:02Speaker 2: two per round at the WM Phoenix Open, was tied
- 51:05Speaker 2: for third. He gained three point nine per round at
- 51:09Speaker 2: the CJ Cup, was also second place. The point here
- 51:13Speaker 2: is when the field is this much smaller, there's just
- 51:16Speaker 2: a chance that no one has that like runaway from
- 51:19Speaker 2: the field performance. Now, obviously Scotty did. Scotty gained over
- 51:22Speaker 2: five strokes per round on the way to his win,
- 51:24Speaker 2: but like guys can be in contention without the crazy
- 51:29Speaker 2: crazy spike then in a given week and in like
- 51:32Speaker 2: a major championship, especially that it's required to actually put
- 51:36Speaker 2: yourself in contention. And so one of the things that
- 51:39Speaker 2: was very clear to me in the in the win
- 51:42Speaker 2: odds of my model this week was there's a larger
- 51:46Speaker 2: emphasis on contention performance score than usual. So the guys
- 51:49Speaker 2: who are really popping in the outrights, the two outrights
- 51:52Speaker 2: that I have this week, Rose and Michael Brennan, two
- 51:55Speaker 2: of the strongest cps in my database. And so that
- 51:59Speaker 2: was just something I wanted to point to. And I
- 52:00Speaker 2: think it's really interesting about like just the way that
- 52:04Speaker 2: this tournament is likely to play out. Obviously, it's possible,
- 52:08Speaker 2: like these these guys are really really good. It's very
- 52:10Speaker 2: possible that somebody here just boat races the field and
- 52:15Speaker 2: nobody who is gaining two and a half per round
- 52:18Speaker 2: through three rounds is in contention. But it is possible
- 52:20Speaker 2: that someone in that position is going to be in
- 52:22Speaker 2: contention plays their way into contention, you know, on the
- 52:25Speaker 2: back nine on Sunday, and now it's it really just
- 52:28Speaker 2: comes down to how well can you play when you're
- 52:31Speaker 2: under that gun, and Contentional Performance Score has done a
- 52:34Speaker 2: really good job of helping us in that way this year.
- 52:37Speaker 1: Yeah, I do like that call, so I will say
- 52:39Speaker 1: just interesting because golf probably probably Yeah, like I said,
- 52:42Speaker 1: just letting you know, I definitely appreciate your opinion. But
- 52:44Speaker 1: he what's sinking deck, He's higher, and then Aaron second
- 52:47Speaker 1: to that, I would definitely take the under on fifteen.
- 52:50Speaker 1: But I'm not the ownership guy, but I you everything
- 52:52Speaker 1: you said about see wou there is like the starting
- 52:55Speaker 1: point for me, first of all, But then second of all,
- 52:57Speaker 1: it's really like the guys below him. I think Wyndham
- 52:59Speaker 1: Clark get steamed, and I think Victor Hovelin and godter
- 53:02Speaker 1: Up are already going to get some ownership, but just
- 53:05Speaker 1: based onf Bombers and different other factors. So it's like,
- 53:07Speaker 1: I think Hideki comes in sub fifteen. But I'm not
- 53:10Speaker 1: trying to like peg a number or s at twelve
- 53:12Speaker 1: or whatever. I just have a feeling that's going to
- 53:14Speaker 1: be the case. When it all shakes out.
- 53:16Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know. Like I said, I think
- 53:18Speaker 2: fifteen is a pretty good estimate because I very much
- 53:20Speaker 2: like see the argument for it. His approach plays been
- 53:23Speaker 2: on fire, He's driving the ball a lot better than
- 53:26Speaker 2: he has and if you just look at his finishes fourteenth, fourteen, third, fifth, seven, seventh,
- 53:30Speaker 2: he's playing really really good golf. So yeah, it wouldn't
- 53:33Speaker 2: surprise me if Heidecki's twenty percent. But I think the
- 53:36Speaker 2: reason why he's projected where he is, it's because when
- 53:39Speaker 2: you look through like just the list of names near
- 53:42Speaker 2: the top, you can make a case for all of
- 53:44Speaker 2: them being really really popular picks this week. So many
- 53:48Speaker 2: of them are in great form, so many of them
- 53:49Speaker 2: fit the Bomber narrative, like there are going to be
- 53:53Speaker 2: plays that we think are really really strong plays this
- 53:55Speaker 2: week that slip through the cracks, And I just think
- 53:58Speaker 2: Hideki seems like a candidate for one of those guys
- 54:02Speaker 2: just look through the cracks like that. But but I
- 54:04Speaker 2: also agree with them, like it feels low just just
- 54:08Speaker 2: looking at it, like, given what he's done, given the
- 54:10Speaker 2: fact that he's nine thousand, and all these other guys
- 54:12Speaker 2: that we're kind of talking about our upper nines are
- 54:14Speaker 2: low tens. It feels like he's low. But I just
- 54:18Speaker 2: don't really see how he gets much higher than where
- 54:20Speaker 2: he's projected.
- 54:22Speaker 1: That's what I'm waiting to see. I would be very,
- 54:24Speaker 1: very curious, But man, it's it's really tricky. Like Sea
- 54:27Speaker 1: Wu got her up. Yeah, I guess I got her
- 54:30Speaker 1: ups the Bomber narrative. That's where that stems from.
- 54:32Speaker 2: Two.
- 54:33Speaker 1: Well, we'll have to wait and see. But you know,
- 54:36Speaker 1: as the golf profit says, and follow it up with that,
- 54:37Speaker 1: if that's the case, I'd be a really happy camper,
- 54:39Speaker 1: and so would so would the Sea Wu buyers. If
- 54:42Speaker 1: it ends up being Hideki that picks up the ownership
- 54:44Speaker 1: and see Woo doesn't, so like that's the nice thing
- 54:46Speaker 1: about this. And our guy, you know, Monday, who does
- 54:49Speaker 1: the ownership says, Hideki's still gonna come in around fourteen
- 54:52Speaker 1: sixteen when it looks like at the finals. So that's
- 54:55Speaker 1: the projection. We'll see what the final number is. And
- 54:57Speaker 1: I'm always you know, four our crew and you and
- 55:00Speaker 1: everybody doing ownership for a living. I just you know,
- 55:03Speaker 1: putting my intuition on it. And I've got the under
- 55:05Speaker 1: even on fourteen. We'll see could be very wrong, and
- 55:07Speaker 1: that's why it won't affect me too much, to be honestly,
- 55:09Speaker 1: that's not part of my super plan over here, I guess,
- 55:11Speaker 1: but in general, we'll see how it shakes out. I
- 55:13Speaker 1: will say the last thing that you said that there
- 55:16Speaker 1: was something else you mentioned that oh, Aaron Bred brought up,
- 55:19Speaker 1: so you did address this. Alex addressed this already about
- 55:21Speaker 1: a potential for the small sample with Brennan, but segueing
- 55:25Speaker 1: into the betting breakdown and saying that you bet them
- 55:28Speaker 1: both or you would like. It's like the Billy Horsseell
- 55:30Speaker 1: situation we talked about earlier this season. You are recognizing
- 55:34Speaker 1: something that is a small sample, but just saying it's
- 55:36Speaker 1: been good enough for me to see it, and again,
- 55:39Speaker 1: more factors and more variables. It's the betting number that
- 55:42Speaker 1: still is really solid and makes it worth it for me,
- 55:45Speaker 1: because if the small sample is even wrong in just
- 55:48Speaker 1: you knowzero point five, this way, he's still in your stuff.
- 55:52Speaker 1: I'm still a better contention score than most. He could
- 55:54Speaker 1: be cut in half and still be better than a
- 55:55Speaker 1: lot of the field at that number. And so all
- 55:58Speaker 1: of these factors matter for you. When you're looking at
- 55:59Speaker 1: your data and doing your analysis.
- 56:02Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to make two points on this number
- 56:04Speaker 2: one off the bat. Yeah, you're right. It is a
- 56:07Speaker 2: small sample still, but importantly there's regression built in based
- 56:12Speaker 2: on sample size, and so like he's let me find him.
- 56:15Speaker 2: So he's at one point two three, just insanely high.
- 56:19Speaker 2: It's the highest number we've seen so far in any
- 56:21Speaker 2: contention performance score for anybody. It's the first time I've
- 56:23Speaker 2: seen anybody over one point zero. That can loosely be
- 56:28Speaker 2: translated to like, we can expect him to play one
- 56:31Speaker 2: point two to three strokes above expectation per round when
- 56:34Speaker 2: he's in contention. Part of that, though, is because his
- 56:38Speaker 2: quote unquote expectation is probably lower than what his baseline's
- 56:43Speaker 2: going to be moving forward because he struggled for so
- 56:45Speaker 2: much of the season. So I think that is probably
- 56:48Speaker 2: the larger source of inflation, if you will, to his
- 56:51Speaker 2: contention performance score, and not sample size. It's also the
- 56:55Speaker 2: fact that, like, it doesn't mean that that's where he's
- 56:59Speaker 2: played so far, or he's probably played something like three
- 57:02Speaker 2: to three and a half strokes above expectation, and it's
- 57:04Speaker 2: just being regrets to this number. If you want to
- 57:06Speaker 2: say it should be regressed further. Sure, Like, I'm not
- 57:08Speaker 2: going to argue with that. I think the key isn't
- 57:11Speaker 2: how good he's been in contention. It's the fact that
- 57:15Speaker 2: he's very clearly someone who has a strongly positive contention
- 57:19Speaker 2: performance score. What that exact number is is less important
- 57:23Speaker 2: to me.
- 57:23Speaker 1: It's just like.
- 57:24Speaker 2: It's directionally he's really good winning contention. And then the
- 57:27Speaker 2: second thing I'll say about this is, let's also remember
- 57:30Speaker 2: that the sample size is not two rounds. We're not
- 57:32Speaker 2: just looking at how he's done on Sunday's winning contention,
- 57:36Speaker 2: in which case he's won both times. Actually, I think
- 57:38Speaker 2: there was a third Sunday where he was in contention,
- 57:41Speaker 2: like the week prior. Maybe let's see, yeah, in Detroit,
- 57:46Speaker 2: I think he might have been in contention at some point,
- 57:48Speaker 2: but he.
- 57:49Speaker 1: Was That was actually the one he hurt on because
- 57:50Speaker 1: I had him in my lineup on the Sunday round
- 57:52Speaker 1: for Fantasy Golf World Championship because of that, and it
- 57:55Speaker 1: was like he was not good on that Sunday. He
- 57:57Speaker 1: fell apart.
- 57:58Speaker 2: But we're also looking at Saturday's as well, and so
- 58:01Speaker 2: the Saturday at the Windom, the Saturday at the rocket
- 58:04Speaker 2: was really really good. And this is also a guy
- 58:07Speaker 2: who won three times last year on the PGA Tour
- 58:11Speaker 2: of America on the on the America's Tour. So this
- 58:14Speaker 2: is a guy who's very comfortable kind of closing things out.
- 58:17Speaker 2: And I wasn't so sure like how much I should
- 58:20Speaker 2: care about that. Now he worth noting like he played
- 58:23Speaker 2: really well to get those wins. It wasn't like he
- 58:26Speaker 2: had a five stroke lead and almost lost and held
- 58:28Speaker 2: on to any of those. But Coven, I thought, told
- 58:31Speaker 2: this a pretty important story as well, where like he's
- 58:34Speaker 2: another guy who's very accustomed to winning golf tournaments at
- 58:37Speaker 2: the collegiate level. At the amateur level, he becomes a pro,
- 58:39Speaker 2: gets into contention, and it was like very very clear
- 58:42Speaker 2: that he was leaning on those experiences and just kind
- 58:45Speaker 2: of being familiar with those feelings. Right, Because all of this,
- 58:48Speaker 2: let's remember it's about like how your mind works. Are
- 58:52Speaker 2: you able to keep your mind present and in control.
- 58:57Speaker 2: I can vouch personally for the fact that, like, you
- 58:59Speaker 2: get some really weird feelings like shivery type tingly feelings
- 59:02Speaker 2: throughout your body when you're in contention, you're standing over
- 59:05Speaker 2: like a four foot putt. It's it's weird, and how
- 59:08Speaker 2: well you handle those moments like that's going to carry
- 59:10Speaker 2: over no matter what tour it is, no matter what
- 59:13Speaker 2: level of golf you're playing. When you get into a
- 59:16Speaker 2: similar situation, even at the PG toy level, you might
- 59:18Speaker 2: feel it like more intensely, but it's going to be
- 59:21Speaker 2: something that you're familiar with. And so the fact that
- 59:23Speaker 2: they've had those experiences very very recently is probably a
- 59:27Speaker 2: lot better than someone who hasn't been in contention for
- 59:30Speaker 2: a long time, and you know, they can't they can't
- 59:35Speaker 2: lean on a very recent experience to help them through
- 59:39Speaker 2: the moment. So yeah, it's a small sample, but like
- 59:42Speaker 2: it's not that small of a sample, and there's a
- 59:44Speaker 2: lot of signal beyond just the contention performance score data
- 59:48Speaker 2: that is pointing to Brennan being really good in those situations.
- 59:51Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you you covered it well there, and
- 59:53Speaker 1: I think that's the key that people have to you know,
- 59:54Speaker 1: remember when we're looking at all this data and going
- 59:56Speaker 1: through it together. Anything else you have, Alex when it
- 1:00:00Speaker 1: comes I'm just looking at some of these builds and whatnot.
- 1:00:02Speaker 1: Anything else you have or do you want to get
- 1:00:03Speaker 1: straight to your leverage lane?
- 1:00:04Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to leverage lane. I'm actually gonna if
- 1:00:06Speaker 2: you don't mind, I'll bring up my contestant to share
- 1:00:10Speaker 2: the screen real quick, because there's a really cool kind
- 1:00:14Speaker 2: of the point that I want to make here. So
- 1:00:16Speaker 2: can you see the screen?
- 1:00:17Speaker 1: Yeah, we got her.
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: Cool. So the first thing I've done is I preloaded
- 1:00:21Speaker 2: a bomber lineup so we can we can take a
- 1:00:25Speaker 2: look at this lineup and let me blow this up
- 1:00:28Speaker 2: for everybody. And so one of the cool features of
- 1:00:30Speaker 2: the SIM is you can hover over the ROI and
- 1:00:33Speaker 2: see how it sims under different circumstances. So when it's
- 1:00:36Speaker 2: more power by market derived projections like all matchup odds,
- 1:00:40Speaker 2: top ten odds, win ons, stuff like that, versus my
- 1:00:43Speaker 2: specific projections, and then you can also see this high
- 1:00:46Speaker 2: DD tilt and low d D tilt. So basically, it's
- 1:00:48Speaker 2: just saying the more important driving distance is when it's
- 1:00:51Speaker 2: like it's most important in the iterations of the sims,
- 1:00:55Speaker 2: this lineup can be plus seventy nine percent. When it's
- 1:00:58Speaker 2: least predictive, it's gonna be down at plus twenty percent.
- 1:01:02Speaker 2: The other thing that you can do here is you
- 1:01:03Speaker 2: can hover over the lineup itself and get a similar
- 1:01:06Speaker 2: type of ownership sensitivity for each player instead of the
- 1:01:11Speaker 2: course fit sensitivity that we were just looking at. And
- 1:01:13Speaker 2: so the point I want to make here and the
- 1:01:15Speaker 2: thing that's gonna be my leverage lane this week is
- 1:01:18Speaker 2: notice how much more more ownership sensitive in this sim
- 1:01:23Speaker 2: Rory is than got her Up. In Rory's low third
- 1:01:27Speaker 2: of ownerships, this lineup is plus forty six percent on average.
- 1:01:32Speaker 2: When Rory's at his highest on average, in his highest
- 1:01:36Speaker 2: third of ownerships, this lineup is plus twenty six percent
- 1:01:39Speaker 2: on average. Got Her Up, on the other hand, goes
- 1:01:41Speaker 2: from plus thirty six point four to plus thirty four
- 1:01:44Speaker 2: point seven. My leverage lane this week, because I am
- 1:01:48Speaker 2: so much more uncertain of ownership than I am in
- 1:01:51Speaker 2: most weeks, is I want to find guys who are
- 1:01:55Speaker 2: less sensitive or who I'm really confident that they're coming
- 1:01:59Speaker 2: in on the reck side of things. So, like, if
- 1:02:02Speaker 2: I play Rory this week, it means I don't see
- 1:02:04Speaker 2: a path to him being ten percent owned, and I
- 1:02:06Speaker 2: think there's a chance he's as low as like five percent,
- 1:02:09Speaker 2: in which case maybe this forty six percent goes to
- 1:02:11Speaker 2: like eighty percent something powerful like that. Right now, we
- 1:02:16Speaker 2: don't need I can come out of the screen share.
- 1:02:19Speaker 2: Now we don't need a contest him to help us
- 1:02:24Speaker 2: answer this question. So like one of the things here
- 1:02:27Speaker 2: is just notice godd Arup was between seventeen percent and
- 1:02:31Speaker 2: twenty seven percent, So in no outcome of his ownership,
- 1:02:34Speaker 2: is he likely to be low enough to be a
- 1:02:37Speaker 2: true separator. Whereas when Rory drops under ten percent, it's
- 1:02:40Speaker 2: like major fire alarm, you know, separation potential going off
- 1:02:45Speaker 2: for him. So that's the first thing, is like who
- 1:02:48Speaker 2: has the potential to be a real separator? And then
- 1:02:51Speaker 2: the second thing is who has the like upper bounds
- 1:02:55Speaker 2: of ownership. So earlier we were talking about guys like
- 1:02:58Speaker 2: seaw Kim Tom potentially having less steam potential because we
- 1:03:04Speaker 2: know the field is going in on the distance narrative
- 1:03:08Speaker 2: this week. So that's the way that I'm gonna be
- 1:03:11Speaker 2: building this week is I Number one want to find
- 1:03:14Speaker 2: the guys who I'm either really really confident about their
- 1:03:17Speaker 2: ownership or I feel like I can handle the fact
- 1:03:22Speaker 2: that like there's still gonna be a good play even
- 1:03:25Speaker 2: if they do steam. So every single player in my lineup,
- 1:03:28Speaker 2: I want to either feel like they can't steam or
- 1:03:31Speaker 2: if they do it's not gonna change how much I
- 1:03:35Speaker 2: like them and how well they fit the lineup that's
- 1:03:36Speaker 2: gonna be my leverage line.
- 1:03:38Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at mine. I think, Man, this is
- 1:03:41Speaker 1: a really tricky one, just thinking about how I'm gonna
- 1:03:43Speaker 1: play this. But I looked at it earlier. I think
- 1:03:45Speaker 1: it's gonna be what's the best way to word this one?
- 1:03:51Speaker 1: There's two ways I could word it, but I'm gonna
- 1:03:52Speaker 1: choose this one. I'm probably gonna go with. Yeah, I'm
- 1:03:55Speaker 1: gonna go with three eight K guys in my lineup
- 1:03:59Speaker 1: for the two or all single entry. So it's just
- 1:04:01Speaker 1: a product of like I said, I get everything will
- 1:04:04Speaker 1: show that out and you can look at different versions
- 1:04:05Speaker 1: of it and all that. You can see it. Obviously,
- 1:04:07Speaker 1: the lower rory comes in, like you just showed in
- 1:04:09Speaker 1: the sims that sort of set up with Scotty we
- 1:04:10Speaker 1: talked about earlier. I think Scotty's gonna steam and I
- 1:04:14Speaker 1: think one of the things that comes with that is
- 1:04:16Speaker 1: I just don't see the like the o Bergs and
- 1:04:19Speaker 1: the godder Ups and guys like that Clarks and I
- 1:04:22Speaker 1: think it's see I don't see them getting affected too
- 1:04:24Speaker 1: much because of that. I see what happens is the
- 1:04:27Speaker 1: six K guys start to get more inflated. I know
- 1:04:30Speaker 1: min Wu is gonna be off the charts. So it's
- 1:04:32Speaker 1: like I'm looking at a bill when I can go
- 1:04:34Speaker 1: three eight K guys and I don't need any of
- 1:04:37Speaker 1: those options in my lineup, and it becomes a product
- 1:04:40Speaker 1: what we talked about earlier. It's not just who you play,
- 1:04:42Speaker 1: and you talk about this all the time, but it's
- 1:04:43Speaker 1: who I'm not playing. And people are like, well, you
- 1:04:46Speaker 1: still got all your guys are like ten to fifteen percent.
- 1:04:48Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, but I don't have Scotty, I
- 1:04:49Speaker 1: don't have Rory. I don't I'm just you know, throwing
- 1:04:51Speaker 1: some of them out there. I don't have the low
- 1:04:53Speaker 1: six k hok guys. I don't have the min Wu
- 1:04:55Speaker 1: play like once you nail that, like what is that
- 1:04:58Speaker 1: five of the top eight or something like probably, So
- 1:05:01Speaker 1: we'll just give you that as an example. And I'm
- 1:05:03Speaker 1: not going completely off the wall. It's just yeah, I mean,
- 1:05:07Speaker 1: you're just math. I mean it's pretty pretty straightforward. You're
- 1:05:10Speaker 1: not getting Scotty in there that at least to my knowledge,
- 1:05:12Speaker 1: very easily. So when you go just Scotty you've got
- 1:05:15Speaker 1: like seventy one hundred left once you go three. But
- 1:05:18Speaker 1: that's that's to Aaron's point, and appreciate all the support.
- 1:05:21Speaker 1: And I was engaging. That was the other way I
- 1:05:24Speaker 1: was gonna say it. But that's the worst way. It's like, oh,
- 1:05:25Speaker 1: I'm just not playing Scotty in my main two hundred
- 1:05:27Speaker 1: dollars single untry. I might have him somewhere else, so
- 1:05:30Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it that way. So the two
- 1:05:32Speaker 1: hundred dollars singlelntry that I'm talking about, that you can
- 1:05:34Speaker 1: look it up and see if we say what we play,
- 1:05:36Speaker 1: I will have three ak guys, and I got a
- 1:05:38Speaker 1: pretty good idea of what I'm doing. So anything else
- 1:05:40Speaker 1: you want to add to that.
- 1:05:41Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just got one question because I I think
- 1:05:44Speaker 2: you said that really, really well, and it just made
- 1:05:46Speaker 2: me think, like, if you are playing Scotty, if someone
- 1:05:49Speaker 2: is dead said I'm playing Scotty, do you have an
- 1:05:51Speaker 2: idea of how you'd play him.
- 1:05:54Speaker 1: That's a good question. I obviously haven't addressed it enough
- 1:05:58Speaker 1: to like make it my top thought. I'm probably like
- 1:06:02Speaker 1: borderline insane to most, but I maybe click Rory first
- 1:06:05Speaker 1: before Scotty. If I'm making a big decision this week
- 1:06:08Speaker 1: just because I always think it's hilarious when like, there's
- 1:06:10Speaker 1: no way one of the best players of all time
- 1:06:12Speaker 1: can play good this week because he said he didn't
- 1:06:14Speaker 1: practice a lot and played bad last week. Yeah, I
- 1:06:16Speaker 1: might motivate him this week to get on his high
- 1:06:18Speaker 1: horse and hop back in there and get it done.
- 1:06:20Speaker 1: Whether or not it happens, because we just had our
- 1:06:22Speaker 1: motivation rant. I don't know, but I guess like when
- 1:06:25Speaker 1: I'm playing Scotty, I'm not going to want to look
- 1:06:29Speaker 1: like you talk about this so well all the time,
- 1:06:31Speaker 1: so I'll give it my best examples. Like let's say
- 1:06:33Speaker 1: the forty four to forty four million, it's five hundred
- 1:06:34Speaker 1: and sixty seven people. Scotty will be popular there, but
- 1:06:37Speaker 1: a lot of the Scotty builds are gonna have at
- 1:06:40Speaker 1: least two of men wu ho guard Rose Scott like
- 1:06:45Speaker 1: you name it. Of that groupings. It's like, I don't
- 1:06:47Speaker 1: want the three v three to that lineup, so I
- 1:06:50Speaker 1: have to get a bit more aggressive, and I have
- 1:06:51Speaker 1: to think about that. So maybe it's Scotty with the
- 1:06:54Speaker 1: next tier up and play more down low. If I
- 1:06:57Speaker 1: like other guys in that bottom tier because we all
- 1:06:59Speaker 1: get well the holes all week to play them, and
- 1:07:01Speaker 1: those guys could come through. If I'm going the other
- 1:07:04Speaker 1: way and saying like, man, if everyone's going to be
- 1:07:07Speaker 1: playing Scotty with two six K guys at least, or
- 1:07:10Speaker 1: I think that, how can I play Scotty with all
- 1:07:12Speaker 1: seven K guys but leave min Wu out you know
- 1:07:15Speaker 1: what I mean? And do that approach like things like
- 1:07:17Speaker 1: that that I can look at. That's how I would
- 1:07:19Speaker 1: think about it.
- 1:07:20Speaker 2: Yeah, that I think that's that's where I've landed too,
- 1:07:22Speaker 2: because I was actually like struggling with this thought earlier
- 1:07:24Speaker 2: when we were talking about like, uh, just the section
- 1:07:28Speaker 2: of just like pivoting from the from the truck build.
- 1:07:30Speaker 2: My first thought was like, man, if you have Scotty,
- 1:07:32Speaker 2: like there's so many guys down here that are ten
- 1:07:34Speaker 2: percent and are going to be you know, fifteen to
- 1:07:36Speaker 2: twenty percent conditional ownership within Scotty lineups, It's like, I
- 1:07:39Speaker 2: just don't like anything down here. But I think I
- 1:07:42Speaker 2: think you made a really good point just kind of
- 1:07:44Speaker 2: bringing up like the it's also about who you're not
- 1:07:46Speaker 2: playing and just making us remember that, because I think
- 1:07:50Speaker 2: the way that I would do it is I'd say,
- 1:07:52Speaker 2: if I'm playing Scotty, I'm not playing Thorpe, Jornton, min
- 1:07:55Speaker 2: Wu or Ben Griffin, and now I can play you know, Norrin,
- 1:08:01Speaker 2: Adam Scott, Michael Brennan, Hoyguard Woodland Rayton and like any
- 1:08:06Speaker 2: of the guys that I do actually like down there,
- 1:08:08Speaker 2: I don't have. They'll be worried about the fifteen to
- 1:08:10Speaker 2: twenty percent conditional ownership because I'm fading the guys who
- 1:08:13Speaker 2: might be like forty percent conditional ownership, like minmou Wi
- 1:08:15Speaker 2: Lee and Scotty Line. So I think I think that's
- 1:08:17Speaker 2: a really really good call, and it's it's definitely something
- 1:08:20Speaker 2: I'm gonna be testing in the SIMS tonight.
- 1:08:23Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think it's interesting just when people don't
- 1:08:25Speaker 1: look at this enough where it's like, oh, you know
- 1:08:28Speaker 1: this lineup still has you know, such high ownership total
- 1:08:31Speaker 1: overall or something. It's like, but you also have to remember,
- 1:08:34Speaker 1: let's say you see like a lineup and I don't
- 1:08:35Speaker 1: use total ownership specifically, I'm just using this for a
- 1:08:38Speaker 1: layman's term example to try and help. It's like people say,
- 1:08:40Speaker 1: like the Scotty version is one hundred and one percent,
- 1:08:45Speaker 1: but it has min Wu, and it has Hoguard and whatever.
- 1:08:47Speaker 1: Let's say it as a let's just use Hoguard and
- 1:08:49Speaker 1: Rose no min Wu. Let's leave him out of this
- 1:08:51Speaker 1: for a second. Let's just say they use the two
- 1:08:52Speaker 1: six k guys I think will be popular this week. Okay,
- 1:08:56Speaker 1: it has one on one. Let's just use a total
- 1:08:57Speaker 1: and I'm all using this for the example. But the
- 1:08:59Speaker 1: point that would be is people will see like an
- 1:09:01Speaker 1: eighty six on a lineup that scores like five points less,
- 1:09:05Speaker 1: that still has Hogarden rows, but it's a rory lineup
- 1:09:08Speaker 1: and it doesn't have all that rest of the chalk
- 1:09:10Speaker 1: up the middle, and they'll say, like, hmm, do I
- 1:09:13Speaker 1: really want that? Like the ownership still seems high in
- 1:09:15Speaker 1: both you gotta think now about your contest selection and
- 1:09:18Speaker 1: where you and your lineup selection that you're playing it for.
- 1:09:21Speaker 1: The one on one in the eighty eight are just
- 1:09:23Speaker 1: examples to make it really easy. But I'm saying that
- 1:09:25Speaker 1: one on one could be one thirty in the forty
- 1:09:28Speaker 1: four to forty four mega, and that eighty eight would
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: probably subsequently be sixty five. Now that delta that you
- 1:09:35Speaker 1: were like worried about a minute ago, so it's not
- 1:09:37Speaker 1: that much of a difference. I guess I better just
- 1:09:39Speaker 1: go with the Scotty lineup. It's six points better. And
- 1:09:41Speaker 1: Scotty just won by a field goal in thensa or
- 1:09:44Speaker 1: actually by a touchdown and then some last week and
- 1:09:47Speaker 1: then Rory sucks. There's no way he could be good.
- 1:09:49Speaker 1: It's like people aren't considering that full thing. And on paper,
- 1:09:52Speaker 1: even with you know, good projections and player point projections,
- 1:09:55Speaker 1: it might only be six to seven sixty eight points
- 1:09:59Speaker 1: less going in on a median. And if it just
- 1:10:01Speaker 1: happens to be that that's what you need this week,
- 1:10:03Speaker 1: it's like you actually have a big leg up. And
- 1:10:06Speaker 1: even when people are going, damn it, I got Rose
- 1:10:08Speaker 1: and Hoguard right, but all the rest wrong because of
- 1:10:11Speaker 1: course you needed Rory and Sea Wu or something like that.
- 1:10:14Speaker 1: It's like, okay, yeah, Rory and Sea Wou Kim played
- 1:10:17Speaker 1: good golf in a fifty man field. You're shocked, Well,
- 1:10:21Speaker 1: just you know he played so Rory was so bad
- 1:10:23Speaker 1: last week. I was never thought he could come through.
- 1:10:24Speaker 1: Boom nailed it there. It is so things like that
- 1:10:27Speaker 1: are what people are not thinking about enough when they're
- 1:10:29Speaker 1: looking at it. And I actually will use that because
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- 1:10:41Speaker 1: I only got through the TLDR. The best part that
- 1:10:44Speaker 1: I read, which was hilarious because it's like I've been
- 1:10:46Speaker 1: saying this for years. It's literally where it's not who
- 1:10:48Speaker 1: you play, it's how you play him stems from was
- 1:10:51Speaker 1: something along the lines of like, unfortunately the contrarian players
- 1:10:54Speaker 1: aren't gonna be excited to hear this, but it's like
- 1:10:57Speaker 1: it's gonna be through different ways of playing chalk versus
- 1:11:02Speaker 1: just completely fading chock small sample of like the not
- 1:11:05Speaker 1: your stuff of like the NFL seasons, we only get
- 1:11:08Speaker 1: so many weeks. It's all condensed down. It's not like
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- 1:11:16Speaker 1: I can't believe the chalks every week in NFL all
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- 1:11:21Speaker 1: percent quarterback, the two percent defense, the tight end that
- 1:11:23Speaker 1: was you had to pay up for that was only
- 1:11:25Speaker 1: five percent. Well, everybody had a mid range tight end.
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- 1:11:30Speaker 1: happened to be in the same place. You played a
- 1:11:32Speaker 1: thirty percent running back that got like three points or
- 1:11:35Speaker 1: five points, and the wide receiver of the tight end
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- 1:11:58Speaker 2: alluded to, all the all the NFL roster construction data
- 1:12:02Speaker 2: has now been dropped into the discord, and there were
- 1:12:06Speaker 2: pretty clear findings, right Like, there are certain positions you
- 1:12:10Speaker 2: want to pay up for chalk. There are certain positions
- 1:12:12Speaker 2: where when you pay up, you want to be paying
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- 1:16:59Speaker 2: When we get to that season, agreed.
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