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Tiffany Stringer on The Lone Starlet, Atlantic Deal & Kidz Bop Tour | Delulu with Ryan Lu #405 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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  My song is #1 on the Billboard Hot 1.
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  Which one it is? It's bullet and supernova.
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  Well, they're fighting for the 1st place.
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  They just like keep knocking the other one out.
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  Battle with yourself right now. Oh.
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  Here comes damn good actress it's also entering.
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  Oh my God. Top Crave Tiffany Stringer I
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  feel like I I feel like even though it's just words, I can
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  like, place a song on all of them.
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  I feel like I'm tapping back into like the roots of who I am,
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  which has been so liberating and fun.
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  Whereas before I was like, who am?
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  I'm always like, who am I? Who am I?
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  And it's like when I just go back and look at the
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  information. Hello Star Lulu's and welcome
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  back to Delulu and a very special welcome to our guesty
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  today. She is my personal new favorite
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  artist for this year and I'm so excited she's here.
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  I'm literally shy. I can't even look at her.
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  Guys, let me just get through this intro.
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  But coming all the way from the Lone Star State, we have the
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  Texas prima Donna and Lone Star starlet herself.
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  Miss Tiffany Stringer, hi. Amazing, that was a perfect
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  introduction. You guys, I had it.
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  That was my second time going into it and we're just going to
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  keep it because like, I don't think I could get any better.
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  No, it's perfect. I'm so excited you're fucking
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  here. I'm like so grateful.
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  I'm so gagged. Like literally as I was saying
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  in that intro, like you are literally my favorite artist.
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  I just discovered you and like, I'm so into everything you're
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  doing. You're hitting all those marks
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  for me, like your music and the Sonic direction and also like
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  the way that you're jumping around in your genres and
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  everything because we'll, we're going to get into it, but with
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  the Lone Starlet, like you're really, really jumping around.
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  Yeah, I don't like to box myself in.
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  It's just like, whatever, it's fun, you know?
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  That's what it's about. And you're so fun.
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  We were having a Gabby honor right before this and I was
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  like, she's so bubbly and so nice.
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  And her team was like, she is so nice.
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  And then she's like, I'm like, yes, she's so nice.
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  Oh my gosh. Well, you are such a fresh voice
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  in pop music, and I'm excited to get into everything.
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  But we would love to borrow your beautiful voice to do some
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  affirmations for the besties. Always.
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  We're going to say some affirmations between us.
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  We're going to popcorn them. OK, here you go.
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  Thank you. Just to get a good vibe going
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  for all the listeners. So this is Tiffany Stringer and
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  I sing some empowering words. And if you're listening at home,
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  all you need to do is relax, find your peace, listen, and
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  just claim us speaking these great things into existence for
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  you. OK, I.
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  Love it. And should I say it to like to
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  the camera? Do you wanna speak directly to
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  him? Yeah, I'm going.
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  To do that too. OK, All right, let's do it.
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  OK. You are force of nature,
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  impossible to ignore and impossible to replace.
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  I got a chill. Claiming.
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  You are the brightest star in every room you enter.
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  I got a chill, I really did, down my spine.
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  We're passing chills back and. Forth like literally I was like
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  fuck, I feel like I'm going to feel type of way.
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  Oh my gosh. OK, you were turning your
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  talents into lasting success and abundance.
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  I'm receiving. Them I'm receiving that one too.
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  Oh, I feel called to say this one directly to you.
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  OK. You are meant to shine
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  unapologetically and take up space.
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  Oh my God that is so sweet. I'm literally shaking y'all.
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  I'm so geeked out right now. I don't think you'll have seen
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  me like this in a while because like genuinely such a fan.
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  I'm like ruining these affirmations for everyone.
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  I'm so sorry guys. Thank you.
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  That's so funny. Actually just in an interview
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  like 2 days ago. Really.
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  Yes. With Jackie, Well Jackie was
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  there for it and she and I was like, I was like, I deserve to
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  take up space too. So that's clock.
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  I'm I'm cleaning up. OK, you are inspiring others
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  simply by being yourself. I love that one me.
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  Too. You are attracting success,
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  recognition and opportunities with ease.
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  Claiming you were destined for extraordinary things and rising
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  higher than ever before, I. Like that one?
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  I like that one. You are becoming more powerful,
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  confident and magnetic. Well, I still.
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  I still. You are becoming more powerful,
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  confident and magnetic every day.
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  I love that. OK, here's my last one.
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  You are the main character of your story and the world is
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  ready to see you shine like a supernova.
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  I add with that one. OK, I love it.
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  OK, this is my final one. Love, you are worthy of the
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  spotlight and everything you dream of achieving.
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  That is crazy. These are really good these.
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  Are good. Those were good.
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  I like that I. Wrote these right?
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  I did write them loosely loosely, but that last one
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  really gives like your EP cover. Stunning.
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  Wow. Stunning.
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  Stunning. Claimed claimed.
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  Stunning. Yeah, it's all I love the
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  spotlight. OK.
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  And low key, we were kind of really bad at that, so I'm so
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  sorry guys. But it was fun.
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  I liked it. We had a good time.
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  I liked it, I felt. I think the energy is better
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  because we're like really into it.
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  It's fun when you just put that out into the world a little bit.
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  It just it shifts the. Energy, yes, and honestly that
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  was like a good like good little ice burger.
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  Like I feel I'm like, ready. I'm ready.
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  I'm warmed up. Me too, me too.
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  We're going to get into all the Tiffany lore, so this is my
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  first time meeting you. Like for real?
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  For reals. And you've been releasing music
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  for, I want to say, the past decade, maybe more.
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  Honestly, yeah. I don't even remember the year
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  of when I put my first song out. But my first song, it's not on
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  three platforms anymore. My parents put it up as like a
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  birthday gift to me, and I didn't know it was coming out.
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  I mean, I think it was one of those things that was like, no,
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  yeah. You're like, I would hate if
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  everyone heard the. Crazy.
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  I was really proud of it. Now I look back at it and it was
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  like, not good. But it's, I don't know.
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  I'm such a big believer of like jump before you're ready and
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  like you have to. That was kind of my first
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  exposure to that. No one's ever going to be ready,
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  right? Genuinely like you kind of.
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  It's exactly that. You literally just need to do.
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  It yeah, that part. So Tiffany, you are very proudly
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  from the Lone Star State, Texas. It has such a huge influence on
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  you and your music and everything about you.
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  Like, tell us about your upbringing.
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  Tell us what's going on over here.
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  Your parents put out your first song for you, so you did you.
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  You always wanted to be an artist, I.
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  Did I? I mean, I started out originally
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  as a dancer when I was really little in the way that like, a
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  lot of people do dance classes when they're babies.
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  But I started getting supernova. Yeah, yeah, I, I started out
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  with that and then I got into like a like theater because it
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  was like a part of the dance studio I would do.
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  So that was like, then I would do that.
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  And then that's when I, like my, my parents became aware, aware
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  of the fact that I could sing. And then from there it was like
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  doing more competitive dance, a lot of theatre.
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  And then I started really just starting to sing pop songs.
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  And I was like, wait a second, there's something here.
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  There's something. Here.
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  Yeah, and I, I think it was always, it's funny, a lot of
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  people will ask me like the moment it like switches, but I
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  feel like that was, it was always just kind of part of my
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  life. But yeah, in Texas, which is
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  kind of a random thing in Texas, I was like the singer girl at
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  school. Like not a lot of people.
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  I had friends that would also do it, but it was like you were
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  like doing it. I was doing it.
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  And I and it was just like my thing I would do after school
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  and like I would sing during school.
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  There was like a stint in like, yeah, it was just what I did.
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  I remember in fifth grade I had a stint where I became obsessed
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  with yodeling randomly. I can't yodel anymore, but I
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  would like listen to this one yodeling song and repeat.
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  And then I would show up to school and I'd be like, I never
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  even performed my song. Oh my God, you're that girl.
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  You're that girl. Insufferable.
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  Girl, I would have ate it up. I would have ate it up.
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  Some people dated, some people were like.
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  I would be like everyone, quiet. Yeah.
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  It's about a yodel for us. We did a field trip once that I
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  remember. Like it was like, I don't even
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  remember where we were. It's like an obstacle course
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  field trip. I performed at the end of it and
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  it was. Like wait, like just like
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  impromptu performs or like they asked.
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  You. I actually can't remember.
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  If, but you just knew you performed.
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  Yeah, I just remember like standing there performing be
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  like what how this is. OK, just as like a mega fan and
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  I just have to clock my observation here.
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  Like everything you described, Mattis, the yodeling is pretty
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  much your last project. You're like dancing theatre, the
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  pop song, the performing, the spotlight.
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  It you did do it all Texas. Yeah, it's all in there.
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  I feel like I, I feel like even though it's just words, I can
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  like place a song on all of them so well.
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  I like that. You have a lot like their
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  influence is really carried with you.
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  Yeah. It's it's fun.
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  I feel like I'm tapping back into like the roots of who I am,
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  which has been so liberating and fun.
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  Whereas before I was like, who am I?
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  I'm always like, who am I? Who am I?
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  And it's like when I just go back and look at the information
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  from my past, it's like, oh, that's who I am.
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  Like yes, if you. It's in your DNA as an artist,
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  which is exciting. I think that, and that's, I
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  think that that is true for everybody.
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  It's like if you go back and look at what you loved as a
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  child, like all the answers are right there.
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  I was just thinking that too. My publicist banned me from
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  talking about my own project. But just for reference, Just for
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  reference, I was thinking about my music this morning on the way
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  here and I was like, it's very 20, 10s recession pop.
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  And I was like, that's the music I loved.
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  And that's what I'm making now is like, how interesting is
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  that's what I want to make. That's what I feel connected
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  with. And when you let yourself just
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  do at the end of the day, you have to like think about
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  yourself as like, like, I'm a fan of these things.
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  Like I'm really just like having fun making what I love.
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  So 100. Percent is so fulfilling and
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  it's so nice. What was like the music you were
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  listening to, like growing up in high school?
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  Oh, in high school. I mean, I was listening to a lot
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  of Katy Perry in high. School.
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  Me too. Wait, I'm so glad Teenage Dream
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  is literally. The pop song Oh.
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  My the greatest pop song of all time.
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  It is genuinely the greatest pop song of all time.
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  Like that that album, the whole album that is like that is my
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  reference. Like I'm like every time we we
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  start a new song, I'm always like guys, Teenage Dream vibe,
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  Teenage Dream vibe. Like big for it really.
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  Like, if you're really going to go for the best thing ever, it's
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  like. Why not aim 100%?
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  Oh my gosh yes yes yes Oh my God, he loved Katy Perry too.
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  So good. And then, you know, when you're,
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  let's say you're in high school, you're listening to music.
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  So it was there other artists here that you were like super
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  into? I mean, yeah, I feel like I
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  actually in high school, I remember when I like first got
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  my license and I was obsessed with listening to Lord and yeah,
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  pure heroin. Yes, yeah, pure heroin.
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  And was also really obsessed with like like $1,000,000 bills.
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  Do you know that song? Yeah, by Lord, it's on the EP.
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  Yeah, it's on the EP, The Love Club EP.
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  And that was obsessed with that EP.
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  Oh my God. I feel like that really, it
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  really symbolizes the like my first little bit of freedom.
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  I feel like, you know, like when you like have the autonomy, like
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  drive around to be in your solitude.
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  Like that to me, I think of Lord when I think of that chapter of
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  my life. Oh.
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  My God, absolutely. And also that entire era for her
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  was about like suburbia and like, yes, 100% it was.
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  So it was really formative for me too because I grew up in the
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  suburbs and it just felt like this is what it is, very
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  mundane. But you know, I'm the type of
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  person that romanticizes everything.
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  So I love that she did that. Too.
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  It is so cool. I I think about that often.
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  I'm just like making this like everyday life that maybe doesn't
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  always feel so magical, like shaping it in such a magical way
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  is truly she's so good at that that's.
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  Oh my God, you're too. I feel like even like on in
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  Supernova in the verses where you're talking like about these
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  like mundane things, you know what I mean?
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  Like the TV and then like the sofa, like everything is just
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  like it just sounds so pretty and magical coming from you and
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  like you're writing. We're going we're really going
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  to get into this EP, but but we'll we'll get to it.
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  But anyways, so you actually dropped out of high school.
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  I did. Oh my God, IT.
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  I got my technically I got my GED, so I get what I call, which
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  I don't know where I got this term.
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  It's probably a very public term, but I call my good enough
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  diploma like, oh, love it. I just like, I was in a
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  crossroads in my life and it was either like at 17, yeah, right.
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  And then it was kind of like, do I go back?
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  I was at an art school for a little bit and I was like, do I
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  go back to public school and kind of play catch up or do I go
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  to California? And I was like I want to go.
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  To California. Got to go to.
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  California. So yeah, I just backed up and
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  went. You've been hustling for a
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  really long time, too. It's been a long time.
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  I mean, you've been doing it because you also toured of Kids
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  Bop, but as like a teenager. Yeah, it was, it was my freshman
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  year and it was it was like a brief stint to my life, but very
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  formative. It was honestly kind of what
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  prompted the crossroads that I was in.
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  Isn't that crazy? Yeah.
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  Like I almost didn't do it. I was really nervous.
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  Wait, how did you get that opportunity?
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  So funny enough, originally I auditioned and didn't make it
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  OK. They did not hire me.
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  Oh. My God, they were wrong for
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  that. I was robbed, I was snubbed.
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  But the place that they were doing the rehearsals, crazy
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  enough, was where I had taken vocal lessons and there was one
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  girl that had to, like, step out of the mix and they needed like
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  a swing. So I came in to, like, join in
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  the last, like, little leg of it.
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  And which is great because it was, it was like a brief stint.
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  But yeah. It.
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  Was awesome. It was also like the first time
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  I realized like it could be a job I.
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  Guess you loved. It I loved it and I would like
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  go to school during the week and I would usually like leave
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  Fridays early and like go. Like I was sorry, I have to go.
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  I was working. Yeah.
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  You're employed. Yeah, I was employed so, but it
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  was, it was awesome. That's so cool.
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  You know, we had Delulu alum Grant Kanoki was like one of the
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  Kidz Bop Kids. Do you know him?
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  Yes, I we didn't know each other in that room.
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  Yeah, you had different cycles. He was, he was right after like
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  I closed up the cycle before and then he was the next cycle.
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  Really. Yeah, yeah, he's awesome.
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  I just ran into him not too long ago.
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  He's great. Oh my God, he's amazing.
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  We should have him on the show again.
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  Love him. But yeah, that's crazy.
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  We have, I guess we're having a lot of, we're collecting the
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  kids. Bop kids bop.
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  Kids bop banking stars His mom is making stars like the.
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  Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. I guess so.
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  Like, shit, that's crazy. So OK, so then you drop out of
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  high school and you go straight to California.
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  Like, did you have a plan? What was going on?
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  None. I should have had more of a
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  plan. No, I mean, it worked out.
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  It worked out so well. Oh my gosh.
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  Yeah, I, I really, I thought I had a lot more going for me at
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  the time, so I honestly came out here thinking like I'm going to
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  be a star, like. I mean, you are, yes.
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  That's what everyone thinks and that's what everyone should
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  think. Yeah, and but it was just funny
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  because the the reality of it was a lot of like, not that.
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  And it was just, I, there's been like, different phases of like,
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  committing harder and, like, learning to do what it takes to
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  like, yeah, which I'm really grateful for.
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  Of course there are times where I'm like, like, like, why didn't
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  happen? But now I look back at that and,
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  you know, hindsight's 2020, like a million percent.
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  I'm grateful for my path. Honestly, and it's really cool
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  that you're so positive about it too, because like, I think I, I
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  have this conversation a lot with my artist friends because
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  then they feel that way where they're like, it's been so long,
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  like, why hasn't it happened yet?
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  But I'm like, you know, like Chapel Rowan took like 10 years.
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  Sabrina Carpenter had five hours before she took off and.
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  It's fine that it's like, I've also had the luxury of I've had
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  the luxury of watching people's careers like ebb and flow and
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  change. And because I've been out here
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  for so long, I've watched people like go home or like give up,
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  which there's nothing wrong with that.
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  We all have our truth right. But like, it's really the when
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  you see people succeed, it's because they just kept showing
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  up the. Consistency.
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  It's literally just the consistency.
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  But you have to really want it really bad because it is hard to
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  keep getting up. No one's going to want it more
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  than you, and no one should want it more than you.
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  And that's what I always tell people too when they ask me
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  about like the entertainment issue you're like getting
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  started making. Like whatever it is, I'm like,
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  you genuinely have to want it. Like, 'cause then you can have
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  an entire team who wants it for you, but like, you need it.
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  You need to show up. It's just, and honestly, if you
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  don't want it, it would just be too much work for you.
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  Like it's like. It's like if you are having fun,
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  it really is like. It's 20%.
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  Really hard to work to keep working really hard.
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  Which is fine. I'm I'm grateful for it.
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  Yeah, I mean, you did it. I'm so I'm proud of you.
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  Like just like I'm meeting you for the first time and like
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  honest because I just discovered you too.
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  But I'm like, damn, you've really been out here.
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  I haven't. I haven't seen people give up
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  yet so that that, but I feel like people are about to like
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  people I know. People, yeah, people see you and
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  it's also OK. Like there's there really is
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  nothing. That's so sweet because.
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  Sometimes it is like they aren't having fun and it's like we'll
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  go. It's not literally giving up
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  even though if it's like if that was the goal, I think sometimes
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  giving up is like just releasing control and like letting life
• 16:49
  take you. Where your joy?
• 16:50
  Is yeah, like I do. I do believe in that.
• 16:53
  Did you? Have moments where you wanted to
• 16:55
  give. Up.
• 16:56
  I mean, yeah, like, I even think about things like I've had
• 16:58
  moments of like giving up that actually worked well for my
• 17:01
  career too. Like I think of probably in like
• 17:04
  2023 where I was like, giving up on trying to get people to like
• 17:08
  me. What do you mean?
• 17:09
  Like you're? So likable.
• 17:10
  Well, I guess like as an artist, I was trying to like write
• 17:12
  things that I thought people would like.
• 17:14
  And it was actually when I was like, this isn't working, like I
• 17:18
  don't gaffe anymore that people started to like it.
• 17:21
  And it was like, I think that's what's.
• 17:23
  Surprising when you start living in your offenses, seeing me in
• 17:25
  truth and like when you're just like, I'm just going to make
• 17:27
  things for me. You're going to be so shocked.
• 17:29
  You can just give up on like the agenda you have and you're like,
• 17:31
  oh, OK, I. Feel like so many artists go
• 17:33
  through that because like I've been in SO many sessions where
• 17:34
  it's just like, okay, let's make it a hit and I'm like.
• 17:36
  No, it doesn't work. Yeah, I'm like, I just want to
• 17:38
  write something that I feel like I want to write right now.
• 17:40
  You know what I mean? If you write your favorite song
• 17:42
  that day, then it's like, yes, that's my personal.
• 17:46
  And then people, people so connect, yeah, you'll be so
• 17:48
  surprised. Like even if what you're doing,
• 17:49
  like you're jumping around with like honestly, we're going to
• 17:53
  get into it, you guys. I'm trying so hard to resist
• 17:56
  because this, that's going to be my favorite part.
• 17:57
  I want to talk about the EP so bad.
• 17:58
  But like you literally have folk on the EP.
• 18:00
  You have dance pop, you have pop, you have like this.
• 18:02
  You have a string quartet everywhere.
• 18:04
  Actually, even before this project, you've been doing that.
• 18:08
  You have the country with Bullet and then you have like this very
• 18:12
  like cinematic closing track. So like you're really exploring
• 18:17
  that you're making. We can tell you're making music
• 18:19
  that you love. I.
• 18:19
  Just yeah, I I think that that's the one that's like my North
• 18:22
  Star always. It's like where is the joy And
• 18:25
  like, and if I can like package that into something and then put
• 18:29
  that out into the world, like that's what I'm giving the
• 18:31
  world, then like that's better to me than any like type of, you
• 18:35
  know, manufactured thing. You should love what you're
• 18:38
  doing. You should love the art you're
• 18:40
  making, you should love everything you're creating.
• 18:42
  That's how I feel too. It's like, I want to be excited
• 18:44
  about what I'm doing. Because if I'm not, it's exactly
• 18:46
  what you said, then it's like, then what am I doing?
• 18:47
  I'm not even enjoying it. Anymore.
• 18:49
  And it's hard. So you know, when you said you
• 18:52
  were like at the point in 2023 where you're like, oh, I might
• 18:54
  give up. Like you just mean like giving
• 18:55
  up on writing songs that you think people would like or you
• 18:57
  mean? Like it was like a, it was
• 18:58
  honestly another crossroads in my life where I was like, either
• 19:03
  there were things I knew I needed to start doing and I was
• 19:07
  being stubborn about the way I wanted my path to look like in
• 19:12
  the way I thought it was going to be.
• 19:13
  And I was really holding on to that.
• 19:14
  You had expectations. Yes, yeah.
• 19:16
  And so there was like a point in my life where I was like, am I
• 19:19
  going to sit around and wait for this path to happen or am I
• 19:23
  going to do what everybody else is doing, like get to work?
• 19:27
  And that was kind of the thing for me.
• 19:29
  It was like, you know, I, I started focusing actually more
• 19:34
  like I, I started like posting tik toks and it was like, yeah,
• 19:36
  like get up and like do the thing.
• 19:40
  Yeah. And I, and it was really like,
• 19:41
  either you do this because this is the job or you at home.
• 19:44
  And I was like, I'm not going home.
• 19:46
  Oh shit, I'm so happy that you didn't go home.
• 19:48
  Oh my gosh, I can't imagine my life without Supernova.
• 19:53
  Just so crazy. That's really sweet.
• 19:54
  I didn't even know that song was even existing when I discovered
• 19:57
  you, you know, But that's crazy. So that's such a journey.
• 20:00
  And obviously you've been releasing music for the past
• 20:03
  like 10 years or so. What happened?
• 20:05
  We never got into what happened to your original songs because I
• 20:07
  was like, oh, your debut single Blonde 2019?
• 20:09
  There's more that predates that that I've taken down.
• 20:12
  There's there's you took them after that that have been taken
• 20:14
  down. Yeah.
• 20:14
  Because to be honest with you, I was like uploading songs on all
• 20:17
  these different like distribution platforms and like
• 20:19
  also it was like. Because you're doing it by.
• 20:20
  Yourself yeah yeah, I'm just like uploading stuff and then I
• 20:23
  would be like well do you want to renew this and I'm like no
• 20:26
  they're all everywhere so I was like I just don't want to keep
• 20:28
  paying for it and then also there were some that I just in
• 20:32
  the kind of the same fashion as my EB.
• 20:34
  It would be like my first song that I personally uploaded was
• 20:37
  like a rock song and then I think Blonde came next and then
• 20:40
  I had like a folk song during 2020 like you're.
• 20:43
  Like going you're just making what you want.
• 20:45
  Exactly. Yeah, I have my like very Pop
• 20:48
  girl era that's like still up there, but I don't know, I just
• 20:50
  kind of that I was just uploading whatever I wanted and
• 20:54
  then that's later in life I started like package.
• 20:56
  I was like, I need to start packaging things so that I can
• 20:57
  have the freedom to still make whatever I want.
• 20:59
  Oh my God, you're doing that. That's interesting because you
• 21:01
  can actually see like your musical progression and
• 21:04
  evolution as an artist too with your releases.
• 21:06
  Like like you said, like you had like a rock song, your pop girl
• 21:08
  era and then you have the Texas prima Donna and then you're
• 21:12
  going to the Lone Starlet. So because then honestly, they
• 21:14
  feel like sister projects to me. Yes, they are.
• 21:16
  They are. OK, that's what I was thinking.
• 21:18
  To me, it's like the other side of the coin of Texas prima Donna
• 21:21
  and the. The Texas from Madonna coming
• 21:23
  out to LA. To LA and become the Lone
• 21:25
  Starlet. Yeah.
• 21:26
  And I think that there was so much when I made Texas from
• 21:28
  Madonna, I really wanted to be like, I really wanted to like
• 21:32
  package myself in a way that people could understand.
• 21:34
  Like I couldn't just like be changing my mind every 5 seconds
• 21:36
  because I felt like nobody could latch on.
• 21:38
  OK, what I thought. So I was like, OK, I'm going to
• 21:41
  like make a project and it's going to be cohesive and I'm
• 21:43
  going to be you know, like I was really kind of thinking about
• 21:46
  that honestly. And then but there were songs
• 21:49
  that had written that are on the Lone Starlet that had written in
• 21:52
  that that same time period. And like my song Casualty, I
• 21:56
  wrote the same week that I wrote my song.
• 21:58
  Oh my God, Oh my God. And they're very different.
• 22:01
  Very different. But it didn't.
• 22:02
  So it didn't make sense to put it on Texas prima Donna to me at
• 22:06
  the time. Oh, so you held on to?
• 22:08
  It. Yeah, and I didn't know where.
• 22:09
  You knew you wanted to go somewhere.
• 22:10
  Yeah, I knew it was important. I wanted to like express that
• 22:12
  and put that out, but I was like, this isn't the time for
• 22:15
  it. And then when I put Texas Prima
• 22:17
  Donna, I love that project, but there was still so much I wanted
• 22:20
  to say. So I was like, let me kind of
• 22:22
  show the other side of it and write this narrative out to like
• 22:26
  welcome people into it because it was not like AI felt this way
• 22:29
  and I don't feel this way anymore.
• 22:30
  Yeah, you're like still very there coexist like.
• 22:34
  And so I'm, I, I love kind of letting myself, you know, say,
• 22:38
  say all of. That you have the freedom to
• 22:39
  make that art that you want to make and explore the sounds that
• 22:42
  you want to do. Because you know what's
• 22:43
  interesting? I'm a huge, huge fan of one
• 22:46
  world building with artists. I love when artists world build
• 22:49
  and fun you, you're literally taking us into a movie with your
• 22:53
  project, of course. And then also just like I really
• 22:55
  like cohesion and what's interesting about yours because
• 22:57
  like it tackles some these different genres, but it still
• 22:59
  feels very grounded. And actually this is a testament
• 23:03
  to you. I think that's rare for an
• 23:04
  artist to dive into, dip into different genres and still have
• 23:07
  the project feel like it's belonging on this one project.
• 23:10
  I really appreciate it. Like, what is the secret sauce
• 23:12
  to that? I think it's writing your voice,
• 23:14
  of course. Yeah, that was always like the
• 23:16
  nice through line. I remember like listening to the
• 23:20
  original demos of things and I was just like kind of going into
• 23:22
  different sessions also with all new people.
• 23:25
  I had never really written with as many people as I did in that
• 23:28
  chapter of my life. And so, but it was funny because
• 23:31
  I would like walk into a session with completely different people
• 23:34
  and a completely different reference and like completely
• 23:36
  different idea. And then I was like looking at
• 23:38
  all these songs and I was like. What's going on?
• 23:39
  How did I was like, how did these go together?
• 23:41
  Like I have no, I'm just kind of like throwing things and I I've
• 23:45
  got to get it together and but. You loved all of them.
• 23:48
  Though I loved all of them and they're all you truth to all of
• 23:51
  them, I wanted to put all of them out.
• 23:52
  And so then it was kind of this thing of working backwards of
• 23:55
  like, OK, I see everything like, or maybe was working for it, I
• 23:59
  don't know. But like piercing it together in
• 24:02
  a way. Trying to look at the bigger
• 24:03
  picture. Yeah, I.
• 24:05
  You got the pieces. I just zoom out a bit and kind
• 24:08
  of like look at macro and see like how it clicks and and
• 24:13
  honestly, I started watching a lot of like movies because it
• 24:17
  was and I'm this is like a big part of like how it all came
• 24:21
  together. But it was like how I watched a
• 24:24
  movie called Sing in the rain. Huge, huge movie, obviously, but
• 24:27
  I'd never seen it and. I still haven't seen it.
• 24:29
  I'm going to watch it. You should watch it you've been
• 24:31
  referencing. It's a classic.
• 24:32
  It's amazing and it's so. Beautiful.
• 24:34
  I would literally, I would literally only watch it so I can
• 24:36
  understand your process with this project more.
• 24:38
  Because that's crazy. Because I remember I was reading
• 24:39
  some press that you were doing and you were talking about how
• 24:41
  like it's like, well, they would have an aspect of the movie
• 24:44
  they're performing and then they would zoom out.
• 24:46
  And then there's this other. Aspect, I mean, it's like if
• 24:48
  you've ever seen a movie where like they're on set and then
• 24:50
  they come off set. But it really clicked for me in
• 24:52
  watching that movie specifically.
• 24:54
  It is that like, they go on set and they're playing a character
• 24:58
  and then they come off set and then we're going through their
• 25:00
  own things and I was like. Interesting.
• 25:02
  What a concept. Truth there.
• 25:03
  There's truth there. And I was trying to figure out
• 25:05
  like, because I would write a song about something that was
• 25:08
  like, I don't gaff like. A lot of the Texas prima Donna.
• 25:13
  Who is that? And that is a very real part of
• 25:15
  me that I do often feel. But then there's also a part of
• 25:18
  me sometimes it's like, hey, yeah.
• 25:20
  Well, you know what? It's just 'cause you're a damn
• 25:22
  good actress. Right, right.
• 25:23
  That was the final song we wrote 'cause I was like, thank God for
• 25:26
  I need to like tie it all together of like piercing
• 25:30
  everything 'cause I have. So good like.
• 25:31
  Bullets like one side of it, casualties another side of it.
• 25:34
  And so I was like. How are we like kind of connect?
• 25:36
  Yes, yeah, so damn good. Actress was the final song I
• 25:38
  needed to write. Oh my God, that one's so good.
• 25:42
  I'm like, I don't want to speed through 'cause I really want to
• 25:44
  get to the EP, but I have so many questions just leading up
• 25:46
  'cause I'm curious too. Yeah, with your journey.
• 25:48
  So the songs that you have up still, those are the ones that
• 25:52
  you still want to like, represent you, but then the
• 25:54
  other ones that you have that you just decide you want to
• 25:56
  take, you didn't want to keep on.
• 25:58
  Yeah, I, I mean, honestly, I didn't really think much into
• 26:01
  it. I think that those are the songs
• 26:03
  though that I still, I look back at and I'm like there's truth in
• 26:09
  the in the journey of it all that like I want people to see.
• 26:12
  And there have also been times where people maybe wanted me to,
• 26:15
  like, take all of them down. And who's to say like, oh, I'm
• 26:18
  not I'm, I mean, who? Who knows?
• 26:20
  I was actually going to ask that because I was like, you know,
• 26:21
  signing with a record label. Like I'm surprised that your a
• 26:26
  lot of your discography is still not that they would take it
• 26:27
  down, but I'm like, you know, usually it's just like, OK, new
• 26:30
  artist, brand new artist, yes. Like we're going to brand you as
• 26:32
  a brand new artist, you know what I mean?
• 26:34
  Yeah, I I really love letting people into the journey I took
• 26:39
  and I'm. So curious.
• 26:40
  I feel like it would be a disservice to be like, oh, I
• 26:42
  just made this project and it was like easy in my first time
• 26:44
  doing. It's like, that's a lot.
• 26:46
  Imagine, Oh my God, if like, let's see, you just drop the
• 26:48
  Lone Star out of nowhere and you have nothing else and you're
• 26:50
  like, what The She's what? I flopped a million times so.
• 26:55
  I think. We all have like, I think that
• 26:57
  is important for people to recognize that I flop.
• 26:59
  I like. That.
• 27:00
  And that's OK. And like we can.
• 27:03
  Flop Did you see Zara Larsson? Oh, well, she what did she say
• 27:06
  she was like, Well, it's. She was like, I'm, I'm, I'm had
• 27:10
  my flop era or something like that.
• 27:12
  It was so. Funny.
• 27:12
  So awesome. And yeah.
• 27:14
  So it's like, I don't know. Embrace the flop era.
• 27:16
  There's so much like, Oh my gosh, I feel like there's this
• 27:18
  notion that everything should be out the gate of Smash, but
• 27:21
  sometimes it's like we're trying to build something you're.
• 27:23
  Learning and also it's like you're getting better.
• 27:25
  Yeah. And I think that all of those
• 27:27
  things really like you can see the parallels and how I figured
• 27:31
  like even when I'm doing now, it's like not really that
• 27:33
  different. I just got I feel more refined
• 27:37
  about. It, that was what I was going to
• 27:38
  say. It just feels more refined,
• 27:40
  Literally just feels more refined because like, honestly,
• 27:42
  even with the previous EP, the Texas Prima Donna, like if like
• 27:46
  we we talked about, it just feels like an extension of what
• 27:48
  you're doing with the Lone Starlet.
• 27:50
  Do you imagine in a different world, maybe The Lone Starlet
• 27:54
  and the Texas Prima Donna would have been your debut album?
• 27:56
  Yeah, really. I I did think about that.
• 27:59
  I. I like that they're EPS.
• 28:01
  Yeah, I because they are. If anything it's kind of like a
• 28:04
  side B side type 1,000,000%. We get a lot of different.
• 28:08
  Sites because I feel like I'm so sorry to interrupt you.
• 28:10
  Like with the Lone starlet, I feel so much more vulnerable,
• 28:12
  like you know what I mean? Like that's such a great
• 28:15
  concept, but damn good actress to be like, well.
• 28:18
  Behind the curtain. And it feels like behind the.
• 28:20
  Curtain, but it's the same it's the same version of me and yeah,
• 28:25
  no, I did think about that. I almost was going to like maybe
• 28:28
  do like the lone starlet as an album because I wrote a ton of
• 28:31
  songs. I had a ton of songs.
• 28:32
  Oh my God. But it didn't feel like it felt
• 28:36
  like the prelude, like, whereas like I think the debut album is
• 28:39
  like, hey, I'm introducing myself as this person.
• 28:42
  Like to me, this is the back story leading up to it.
• 28:46
  So I felt like that was right. I'm so itching to get to it.
• 28:49
  OK, well, little bit more background and then we're going
• 28:52
  to going to dive into all the new music and everything.
• 28:55
  But would you say like where you're from had a giant
• 28:57
  influence on your music? Where are you from actually?
• 29:00
  I'm from near Dallas in Texas. Suburb.
• 29:03
  You're from Texas? Yeah, from Texas.
• 29:05
  And. I'm kidding.
• 29:07
  I'm kidding. I knew that.
• 29:08
  I told him. I told him I can tell if people
• 29:10
  don't really know me because they'll ask me where I'm from.
• 29:13
  That's why I posed the question. I was like, I was like, would
• 29:15
  you say where you're from influences the music when it's
• 29:17
  like, like literally. No, but I appreciate you and if
• 29:21
  you. Clocked that I was like what if
• 29:23
  you think I'm like a little dummy or something no no, you're
• 29:25
  perfect oh me research boots down I'm so I.
• 29:28
  Already. Know it guys, can we?
• 29:30
  Do you see how many cue cards I have for this episode?
• 29:32
  It's a tarot card. Spread it.
• 29:33
  Really is. I can't even.
• 29:35
  It's girl. Oh my God, how embarrassing.
• 29:39
  Thank you so much. OK.
• 29:42
  Is going to be all unorganized now.
• 29:43
  Do you need to reset? You know what, I have the show
• 29:45
  memorized. So like, honestly, it's just for
• 29:49
  the benefit of the structure because I know what I want to.
• 29:51
  Ask. I love that.
• 29:52
  Okay, okay, so now we're all the way over here and honestly,
• 29:56
  everything worked out for you. I'm so happy that you been
• 29:57
  really seeing like music for the past 10 years, but like you
• 30:01
  recently signed Atlantic Records.
• 30:02
  Congratulations. Oh my God, such a rite of
• 30:04
  passage for every artist. It's so fun.
• 30:06
  Like it was never, I will say it was never something I was like
• 30:10
  gunning towards like I I guess I just but when it had I remember
• 30:15
  when I posted that I signed and it really like had a big wave
• 30:20
  and I was like. Oh well, I feel like because
• 30:21
  you've been around in the music industry, like people were so
• 30:23
  aware too. You know what I mean?
• 30:25
  I feel like for a lot of people, like especially people back
• 30:27
  home, like I remember on Facebook, like every relative I
• 30:30
  have was posting it and I love them, love you guys.
• 30:32
  But it was just so funny because I feel like it was the first
• 30:35
  thing. Or it's like, things can be a
• 30:37
  dream for you, you know? But it's like when when there's
• 30:40
  like a tangible proof of like, oh.
• 30:42
  Validated, yes, but it. Was like, yeah, it was like the
• 30:47
  validation that people were like, oh, like she's actually
• 30:50
  doing stuff. Wait, so.
• 30:52
  And I was like, oh. OK, it's nice to feel that way,
• 30:54
  too. Yeah, that's how I felt when I
• 30:55
  signed a UTA where I was like, where I was like, Oh my God,
• 30:58
  guys, I'm serious. Yes.
• 30:59
  It's like you made it. You did it.
• 31:00
  Yeah. There's like a, There's like a.
• 31:01
  Sample. It's just the beginning of the
• 31:02
  work, actually. Yes, yeah, it's.
• 31:05
  Like now we're really going to get to the work.
• 31:07
  Yes, absolutely. Well, congratulations.
• 31:09
  We love Atlantic here. We had a lot of Atlantic alum on
• 31:11
  the show. We just had Whitney.
• 31:13
  Whitney. And.
• 31:13
  A lot of previous Atlantic alum so.
• 31:15
  Yeah, I love Atlantic. I'm very happy to have found a
• 31:17
  home there. That's awesome too, because I
• 31:19
  really like that you have the flexibility and the creative
• 31:21
  freedom to do it because like, I'm, I'm so shocked that they're
• 31:24
  like, yeah, drop a country song. Yeah, yeah, do.
• 31:26
  Your pop song. Next it is so fun yeah I think
• 31:29
  because I I've like you know, I think because I am such a visual
• 31:33
  artist that they were like and I had the proof of concept which
• 31:36
  I'm really grateful for and I think there is a beautiful trust
• 31:40
  they have in me to like that's. Awesome.
• 31:42
  Live it, you know, like make those decisions, which I'm
• 31:44
  really grateful for. And I think that is like a huge,
• 31:48
  you know, kudos to them as a as a company because they're
• 31:52
  putting the faith in artists that I think is like not not
• 31:55
  always been the case with the major label system, but they
• 31:57
  know what they're doing. They're smart, awesome people.
• 32:00
  I trust them, they trust me. And it's like it's a beautiful
• 32:03
  relationship, it. Really is I love the rollout and
• 32:06
  everything. I literally one of the saw
• 32:08
  showing you my messages and me like getting excited about you
• 32:11
  coming on the show. 1 of them I didn't show you I was like maybe
• 32:14
  I shouldn't say this one. I texted Charlie and I was like
• 32:16
  Tiffany Stringer's roll out all her press copy, copy, copy.
• 32:20
  I want all of that. I was like, I love everything
• 32:23
  she's doing. I love her roll out.
• 32:24
  I love the events, everything she was doing.
• 32:26
  I was like Charlie make no. They they honestly, it was it's
• 32:29
  awesome and it's so cool. Like just like to be surrounded
• 32:33
  by genius people too, because I could have like a tiny idea and
• 32:37
  maybe it's like I'm not really thinking about it.
• 32:38
  Like, I love thinking of that kind of stuff, but to be around
• 32:41
  people that one can execute it to make it even better than I
• 32:47
  would have originally thought it as.
• 32:48
  But and then also. Like real collaborations.
• 32:50
  Yes, like and and and be coming up with things like that.
• 32:53
  I would never even clock is like I'm like the luckiest it's.
• 32:57
  So helpful. And like, I feel, do you feel
• 32:59
  that way? Like when you're collaborating
• 33:00
  on your music too, when you have new writers and new songs?
• 33:03
  There's like nothing better 'cause like, don't get me wrong,
• 33:06
  I, I love my ideas and sometimes I'm like stubbornly like, this
• 33:09
  is what we're doing and that's fair.
• 33:10
  I am a diva in that way. And that's completely I'm aware
• 33:12
  of that. Me too, but like there is
• 33:15
  nothing better than when I get in a room with people and
• 33:19
  they're like, they like say something.
• 33:21
  I'm like, like, yeah, like it's like it.
• 33:24
  Makes it feels good. Yeah, it's like when you, Oh my
• 33:26
  God, that beautiful collaboration thing of like, let
• 33:29
  me one up. You like let me.
• 33:30
  Oh. My God, best idea wins.
• 33:32
  And then it's like it's. All towards like making the best
• 33:34
  possible thing you can make. 100% which is.
• 33:36
  Really exciting and fun. It so is like I'm a honestly,
• 33:39
  that's something I had to learn was like checking the ego at the
• 33:41
  door 'cause I was, I'm like what you were saying.
• 33:43
  I was so stubborn and diva where I'm like, no, this is my idea.
• 33:46
  This is the concept and here's how it's going to be written.
• 33:49
  And I actually wrote all of it, but I would love the validation
• 33:51
  for you to. Tell of wanting to write
• 33:53
  everything is like. You can make a better thing by
• 33:55
  like. It's a million percent true,
• 33:57
  like serious, like so big shout out to all my collaborators
• 34:00
  because it's exactly that. It's like best idea wins.
• 34:01
  And at the end of the day, this is what I learned through the
• 34:03
  process for myself. It's like what's going to make
• 34:06
  the Best Song is what we're going to do.
• 34:08
  We need to do what's best for the song.
• 34:09
  It's not even about me anymore. Like I'm a vessel at this point.
• 34:11
  It's what's best for the song, so I think that's so exciting
• 34:15
  and restoring to. Hear it's fun, yeah.
• 34:17
  It's super fun. That's so good.
• 34:19
  Also, side tangent, you've actually written with my
• 34:22
  publicist boyfriend before. Liam.
• 34:24
  Yeah, guys, he wanted to come to set, but he couldn't to.
• 34:27
  I love you, Liam. Yes.
• 34:29
  Hi, Liam. We'll come.
• 34:31
  We'll we'll hang out. But yeah, that's so cool.
• 34:34
  Congrats on Atlantic. And honestly, you, I was
• 34:36
  watching another interview that you had done and you were
• 34:39
  actually saying this time last year, you're still waitressing.
• 34:41
  Yeah, I, I can't remember what was the last.
• 34:43
  No, I mean, up until July, I was waitressing.
• 34:48
  And honestly, I remember I had just moved to a different
• 34:50
  restaurant and I remember my last training day at the
• 34:54
  restaurant, I got my label deal offer.
• 34:58
  Oh my God. And I was like, sitting there
• 35:00
  like, like. You're like, wait, I'm clocked.
• 35:03
  In right now, I showed it to the person who was training me and I
• 35:06
  had finished you. I feel really bad.
• 35:08
  I like I had finished all my training like this was my final
• 35:10
  training and I was like, I just got I just got a a major label
• 35:13
  label deal. I was like, I don't know,
• 35:14
  because I didn't want to make a decision out of like desperation
• 35:17
  of like being like too excited and rushing.
• 35:18
  You're smart. For that I would have been like
• 35:20
  peace Girl. I was like, I was like, I don't
• 35:24
  know, like I got it. Like I'm, I'm not sure if I'm
• 35:25
  going to do it. And he was like, what are you
• 35:28
  taught? Like you're not going to work
• 35:29
  here. Like why am I training you?
• 35:31
  It was like we were laughing about it.
• 35:33
  That's awesome. But I wanted to be like very
• 35:35
  level headed about my. Decision.
• 35:36
  Well, you're smart. Yeah, no, yeah, up until.
• 35:40
  You made the right choice. July I I I think so too.
• 35:42
  Absolutely. That's so recent, guys.
• 35:45
  We're filming this in June. Yeah, yeah, like.
• 35:47
  Not even a year ago. It's, Oh my God, it's June.
• 35:50
  Yeah. So it's almost been a year.
• 35:51
  Wow, isn't that great. Wait, when did you sign?
• 35:53
  In officially, I think I signed, it was probably like August.
• 35:57
  August, Yeah, something around there.
• 35:59
  Yeah, something. So it's all, it's all it's like
• 36:00
  the different levels of it. It's like a long process you.
• 36:02
  Know it's such a long process. Oh my gosh.
• 36:05
  And you've accomplished so much in your current tenure, too.
• 36:07
  It's yeah, everything is moved really fast, which which is the
• 36:11
  luxury of it is like before it was like there's so much when
• 36:14
  you're doing things with like a smaller team and, you know, less
• 36:17
  resources, it's like you kind of have to like give yourself the
• 36:20
  time to like build up and get it ready and like.
• 36:22
  Make the swing. So yeah.
• 36:25
  It's fun though, because it's like even now it's like the EPS
• 36:27
  out and you, you get the luxury of like, oh, I can write some
• 36:30
  more like. You can write more, you can talk
• 36:31
  about it. That's so exciting.
• 36:35
  Oh my gosh, that's crazy though, because then you were you
• 36:38
  releasing music like as an independent artist and then like
• 36:42
  you're waitressing like I can't believe you're everything was so
• 36:45
  before even you went to Atlantic and I want to talk about this,
• 36:49
  you were releasing such great, incredible quality music like as
• 36:53
  an independent artist, right? Like and also working a job.
• 36:57
  Yeah. How?
• 36:58
  I can't even imagine that. I loved it.
• 37:00
  I I literally went to a restaurant the other night and I
• 37:03
  was like, I kind of miss waitressing.
• 37:04
  Like I loved waitressing. Oh my God, it was so fun.
• 37:07
  And I don't know, I think there's.
• 37:09
  Such a good attitude. You have such a good personality
• 37:11
  and like attitude. That's why good things happen
• 37:12
  for you. I love I I think that the way
• 37:17
  you do one thing is the way you do everything.
• 37:19
  So really, if you show up to your waitress job and you're
• 37:23
  like, I'm bigger than this, whatever.
• 37:26
  Like I I think that that every type of energy is infectious.
• 37:32
  Oh my gosh. The person that you might be
• 37:34
  working at waitress shop could be like moving to a different
• 37:36
  career and they'll remember your bad attitude at your sorry.
• 37:40
  Oh my God, no, that's I'm controversial.
• 37:42
  No, I'm like, no, no, because I'm like soaking in everything
• 37:44
  you're saying. Like it's like God speaking to
• 37:47
  you because like, that was me. I used to teach children like
• 37:51
  before I started my career in entertainment, But I I remember
• 37:56
  being in the classrooms and looking at all the students and
• 37:58
  looking at my coworkers and being like, they even know I'm
• 38:01
  famous. They don't know I'm a star.
• 38:03
  And that was what I felt, Yeah. And then I was like, I would
• 38:06
  talk to my boss and if you like, you don't even.
• 38:08
  Know it's like the it's like the Lady Gaga thing.
• 38:10
  If she was like, I was famous before I was famous.
• 38:12
  Like that's how me felt. I didn't need the like proof of
• 38:15
  it like I was already famous. I can't really sound like
• 38:17
  embarrassed. That's so funny.
• 38:18
  I really felt that. I love it be delulu.
• 38:21
  It worked, Lulu. It.
• 38:22
  Worked Lulu, but you're right about that attitude thing like
• 38:24
  you're right. I wonder what those coworkers
• 38:26
  think of me now. Actually, I didn't carry myself
• 38:28
  like I was famous though. I was just in my head.
• 38:30
  I was like. Well, that is the fun thing.
• 38:31
  I think there was also a thing in my brain that I kind of
• 38:34
  loved. I loved showing up in my outfit
• 38:36
  and be and I wouldn't talk about anything music wise like I
• 38:40
  wouldn't there are you're. Such a joy.
• 38:43
  Oh my God. Thank you.
• 38:44
  Annoying. No, no, no, no.
• 38:47
  I'm so annoying. I'm like all I want to do is.
• 38:50
  I guess I, I think there was like a fun of it for me.
• 38:53
  Like occasionally I couldn't keep it to myself.
• 38:55
  Yeah, like if it were something that he just really wanted to
• 38:57
  talk. About wait, so you just show up
• 38:58
  to work. Let's say you just put out the
• 39:00
  Texas prima Donna and you still show up to work and go like,
• 39:02
  hey. Yeah, I loved it.
• 39:04
  I felt like Hannah Montana. We're so.
• 39:07
  Girl. Wait.
• 39:08
  We. Are I felt like Hannah Montana
• 39:10
  and I loved. I loved that.
• 39:13
  And it was so fun to like go in and like, like clock in.
• 39:18
  I love my job of like I walk in, someone tells me what to do, I
• 39:22
  do it. I clock out.
• 39:23
  I don't have to think about anything.
• 39:24
  That's nice. I loved it.
• 39:25
  I love it. I miss it a lot.
• 39:26
  I like. I literally went to a
• 39:28
  restaurant. Yeah.
• 39:29
  And I was like, I miss waitressing.
• 39:30
  Like it's so. Fun.
• 39:31
  You know what it was so refreshing.
• 39:33
  I watched an interview that you did on the carpet at the AMA S
• 39:35
  and for how excited you were and like how great for you were to
• 39:38
  be there it's it was genuinely so refreshing.
• 39:42
  I was like, Oh my gosh, what a nice personality.
• 39:44
  Especially in the music industry.
• 39:45
  It's it's toughy out here. Like, you know, I'm sure, I'm
• 39:48
  sure your team could tell you, like working with a bunch of
• 39:50
  different artists could be challenging, right?
• 39:51
  And it's just nice to work with someone nice.
• 39:53
  Yeah, it's nice to work with. Someone nice, you know, I, yeah,
• 39:55
  I think above everything. Wait, her team's like giggling
• 39:59
  in the corner. I feel like, I don't know, I
• 40:05
  love all of the things I do like.
• 40:07
  I love acting, I love dancing, I love singing, I love writing.
• 40:09
  I love all those things. But I think above all of those
• 40:11
  things, I love people and I love moments, so.
• 40:17
  Yeah. Is that something you were
• 40:18
  saying in all those interviews? You're like, any opportunity to
• 40:20
  do something with people in person is like, nice.
• 40:22
  For you, that's so lovely. And I think that like this is
• 40:25
  one of my biggest quotes that I try to like live by.
• 40:27
  It's like how you spend your days is how you spend your life.
• 40:30
  So it's like say, like I'm obviously having a great time
• 40:34
  here, but like if I'm if I'm just like collecting moments
• 40:37
  where I'm like having a good time, then I'm having then my
• 40:40
  life is fun like, and I like my life.
• 40:43
  That's so good. I'm having a really good time
• 40:45
  right now. This is so nice.
• 40:46
  I mean, I was really excited because like huge fan of course,
• 40:48
  but like this is so lovely. You just grounded me for a
• 40:51
  second and I was like, wait, it's happening right now.
• 40:53
  Because obviously I'm going to rewatch this episode 1,000,000
• 40:55
  times, but like, now, we're doing it right now.
• 40:57
  Yeah, it's fun. It's funny too, because like
• 40:59
  even as this, it's like I'm thinking about how I'm sitting.
• 41:03
  I'm like, you know, you like you think about other things, but
• 41:05
  it's like, this is fun. Like we just get to talk about
• 41:08
  music and we get to talk with each other and it's like, this
• 41:11
  is a fun moment. So it's like I try to root
• 41:13
  myself and really appreciate it as it's happening.
• 41:15
  Like seriously, genuinely is such a great out.
• 41:17
  I'm so excited for this episode to come out for everyone.
• 41:19
  It's here and listen like I'm really inspired.
• 41:21
  I'm learning a lot. I feel like you're, you're
• 41:23
  grounding me so much too. It feels good.
• 41:26
  I'm happy. That makes me happy to hear.
• 41:28
  I'm having a lot of fun. Good.
• 41:30
  Me too. I'm having so much fun.
• 41:31
  And we're not. We even get to the parts I want
• 41:33
  to get to yet. So I'm like, wait, imagine.
• 41:34
  I love it, but OK. So how's the transition going
• 41:37
  from independent artists to the side artists?
• 41:38
  Everything starts moving a lot faster.
• 41:40
  Yeah. It is it's.
• 41:41
  It's different. It's similar in the same some
• 41:44
  ways. It's different in a lot of other
• 41:46
  ways. It's been a nice transition
• 41:49
  because like I said, like a lot of the songs that are coming out
• 41:53
  now, I wrote pre dating being signed.
• 41:58
  So it's been this really nice like transition.
• 42:01
  The songs that you were working on.
• 42:02
  Yeah, I was like, I have this EP, like I want to put this EP
• 42:05
  out. And so it was like, it's been
• 42:07
  this nice blend of. Absolutely.
• 42:09
  Like it feels natural. Yeah, and I, and I didn't want
• 42:12
  to be like, oh, I'm changing everything, right.
• 42:15
  Like because I, I wanted to like this was like a, a continuation
• 42:19
  of like the predating signing and now.
• 42:23
  And I think that that's been really beautiful because also
• 42:26
  like there's so many different things that came into play.
• 42:28
  Like obviously the way I did visuals and stuff was all very,
• 42:31
  very different. And so it was fun to have things
• 42:34
  like rooted in like the like, I think it was like life before,
• 42:37
  like be. It's nice to see like the
• 42:39
  difference too. I mean, honestly, the TSCU
• 42:43
  Tiffany Stringer Cinematic Universe is so good and
• 42:45
  expensive right now. Like we're going to get into it
• 42:48
  of course, but the entire EP is a visual EP.
• 42:51
  Yeah. And and that was the fun.
• 42:52
  That was like where all the new came in with the label.
• 42:54
  It's like, it's like, you could do that now.
• 42:55
  I could do it. And so it's like that's where I
• 42:57
  kind of like stepped into the newness and like, now I'm
• 43:00
  getting into like the music of the newness in this chapter.
• 43:02
  I don't know if that makes sense.
• 43:03
  No, it completely makes sense. I mean, you're still so fresh.
• 43:06
  Yeah, like literally not. Literally just.
• 43:08
  It literally just happened. You just dropped the EV 2.
• 43:11
  That's so crazy because, and we were talking about before, but
• 43:13
  you're working the same producers and the same people
• 43:15
  that you worked with prior to even signing.
• 43:16
  That's awesome that you brought them with you on to a major
• 43:19
  label and start keeping them working.
• 43:21
  I'm lucky that they wanted to keep, you know, I.
• 43:23
  Mean. They're so incredible.
• 43:24
  Shout. Out yeah, shout out to them.
• 43:26
  Jack Riley. Who's he like he I worked with a
• 43:28
  lot of new people like in writing the songs and then
• 43:31
  because they were all so different I I brought it back to
• 43:33
  my producer Jack and we kind of like looked at everything and I
• 43:36
  was like, this is what I like made a deck and I was like, this
• 43:38
  is what I think we need like strings we need, you know,
• 43:42
  pedal. So guitar.
• 43:43
  I think that we need to like put these things and then they'll
• 43:45
  glue together. Wait, what's the Zodiac?
• 43:46
  Sign I'm a Virgo. I was like, that is so Virgo.
• 43:49
  That is awesome. I'm a Virgo.
• 43:51
  You're a Virgo. I make decks too.
• 43:52
  I do the exact same thing. I'm like, how do we tie these
• 43:53
  things together? Everything you're saying, I was
• 43:55
  like, wait, what's your Zodiac sign, Virgo?
• 43:57
  She is. Virgo boots.
• 43:58
  OK, period. Sorry, go ahead.
• 44:00
  Yes, tie everything together the string quartet like she's she's
• 44:03
  been on your project. Yeah.
• 44:04
  Then this is like, I was like, if I can do a string, I wanna do
• 44:06
  strings, you're gonna do a string.
• 44:08
  And so that was like there were certain elements that weren't on
• 44:11
  all of the demos that I was like, if we put these, 'cause I
• 44:13
  remember I was like playing the songs and I was like, trust the
• 44:16
  vision. Like it will make sense.
• 44:18
  Yes, going to make sure it makes sense.
• 44:20
  And it was those things that I really want to glue it in
• 44:23
  together to make sure that they all, because you know, they are
• 44:26
  different but they have elements that are similar.
• 44:29
  And so, yeah, I brought it to Jack and we like reworked a lot
• 44:32
  of things. And I mean in structure wise,
• 44:34
  they stayed pretty much the same.
• 44:36
  But you wanted to be cohesive, feel like it's all in the same
• 44:38
  world. Especially expanding from the
• 44:40
  Texas prima Donna, too. Yeah.
• 44:42
  And so it needed like elements that were in Texas, prima Donna
• 44:45
  and everything like that. So I'm really happy with how it
• 44:47
  all came together because it feels like we the thing I
• 44:50
  intended to do, which is. Always.
• 44:52
  Isn't that so satisfying? It's such a journey and.
• 44:56
  It's fun to see something in your mind and then it comes to
• 44:58
  like. That's what that's my favorite
• 45:00
  part. I think I want, I want to ask
• 45:01
  you about this because for me, I genuinely love the process.
• 45:05
  I love the beginning of a song. I love writing it.
• 45:07
  I love working through it. I love recording it and getting
• 45:09
  the final product. Like I actually really love the
• 45:11
  process. Like how do you feel when you're
• 45:13
  creating a song? Like do you just want the end
• 45:14
  product or are you like having the time of your life in the
• 45:16
  Stew? Stew where we.
• 45:17
  At in different chapters, like in different phases of it, I
• 45:20
  feel different types of way. I actually think that the
• 45:22
  hardest part for me is the very beginning.
• 45:24
  Like when I It's funny because I am such a girl of like I like
• 45:31
  having a path, I like something to aim for.
• 45:34
  So Virgo it's. Very.
• 45:35
  It's so I'm also on like a triple Virgo.
• 45:37
  I have Virgo sun, Virgo Moon and Virgo Mercury.
• 45:40
  Oh my God. Virgo down.
• 45:41
  You really? Oh my God, you really are.
• 45:43
  It's it's crazy, but. No, it's so good.
• 45:46
  I love it. I'm living for it.
• 45:48
  But yeah, it's like, so the before I get the North Star, I'm
• 45:53
  like, what is it like I'm like. Where?
• 45:56
  What am I even? What do you?
• 45:57
  Aim for like what is the goal? Like that is like actually kind
• 45:59
  of like hard for me to just like play.
• 46:03
  And so I'm learning how to like let myself just play without
• 46:06
  trying to be like, well, what does it mean?
• 46:08
  Like who am I? So that is always the most
• 46:11
  difficult part. And but then once I start, like
• 46:14
  once I start making my deck and building out the world of it,
• 46:18
  I'm like, oh, we're having fun. Like it's so much fun because
• 46:21
  it's fun. I can like, come back to it and
• 46:23
  nurture. It and it's like something that
• 46:26
  we can really integrate into like the whole movie, movie
• 46:29
  aesthetic and everything with this project.
• 46:31
  And I'm just, I'm so excited and into all of it.
• 46:35
  That's so exciting. It'll be fun.
• 46:36
  I'm excited to see like where things go, which I think is like
• 46:40
  always I come, you know, you make a prod project and like you
• 46:44
  finish it and then you start over again.
• 46:46
  And that's a beautiful thing. That's like, OK, I'm learning
• 46:48
  how to let myself have the fun of like that's just try things
• 46:52
  and then I love. I'm really hang off everything
• 46:55
  you're saying like I everything saying is like I'm just learning
• 46:58
  a lot. It's fun.
• 46:59
  It's fun to talk about. It's.
• 47:01
  So fun to talk about. I'm so into like I actually feel
• 47:03
  there's a slight guilt I have in the back of my head and like I
• 47:06
  already know this episodes just for me because I'm just.
• 47:09
  Well, that's like, I honestly think that in the music, like if
• 47:12
  I'm making the thing that's just for me, it's like it ends up
• 47:16
  resonating with everyone. 100% that's what I usually tell when
• 47:19
  I'm in my sessions. I'm like listen, not looking for
• 47:21
  a hit. I'm literally just trying to do
• 47:23
  something. I would love to hear in the car
• 47:25
  something I want to listen to right?
• 47:26
  It's just the best like I agree, way to approach things in my
• 47:30
  opinion. I definitely agree.
• 47:31
  I just it feels, it just feels good.
• 47:33
  It feels right and natural. So you are assigned to your
• 47:38
  manager. How long have you been working
• 47:39
  with him? So I have 3 managers.
• 47:41
  I first started out with Miss Roxy Brad, who's right over
• 47:44
  there and she's. So sweet.
• 47:46
  She is awesome. We met her down.
• 47:48
  Yeah, Diva. Diva and we met at a Taco night
• 47:53
  in 2023. That's so fun and random.
• 47:57
  We're coming up on our three-year for anniversary.
• 47:59
  And yeah, we met our Taco night and we started out like as
• 48:04
  friends. We would talk about boys.
• 48:06
  We read tarot cards. And we wouldn't.
• 48:08
  I should brought my dog I know like I love.
• 48:10
  That I should have brought you know what's fun I literally when
• 48:11
  I was leaving my house and I was like I I don't know why I was
• 48:14
  like sitting and I was like should I bring this?
• 48:15
  I never do. I didn't bring it So sorry.
• 48:17
  Next time y'all come back. Yeah, but we, we like, we're
• 48:20
  friends, which is great because I had never really, I had never
• 48:23
  had a manager. And so it was great because I
• 48:25
  found everything independently. Yeah.
• 48:27
  And I'd like done like two week trials with people, but nothing
• 48:30
  ever stuck. And it was great because Roxy
• 48:32
  and I had this beautiful foundation of friendship.
• 48:34
  Awesome. So it was like I trusted her as
• 48:37
  she's an amazing human. Like like a good human.
• 48:39
  And then when we started working together, it was like, oh hey
• 48:42
  girl, it out. Like I would love that.
• 48:44
  Getting business done? Hell yeah.
• 48:46
  And then we had been working together for about a year,
• 48:50
  right? But Oh yeah, because we were
• 48:52
  friends for a year, then we worked together for a year and
• 48:55
  then we brought on 2 new people to the team.
• 48:58
  It's Anthony and Jason. They're amazing.
• 49:00
  And so we started working with them at the end of last year.
• 49:02
  But we had been talking with them for a little bit and it's
• 49:05
  great because it feels like we had always kind of talked about
• 49:07
  wanting to bring other people in because we, you know, we're
• 49:10
  learning, right? Like every day we're learning
• 49:12
  something new and there's so much we don't know and we want
• 49:15
  to figure out. And so we started working.
• 49:17
  Just so much and so. Quickly and everything.
• 49:19
  Moves quickly it. Moves really, really fast.
• 49:21
  And so it's we brought them onto the team and it was like this
• 49:23
  beautiful thing of like I always joke when I talk if he was like,
• 49:27
  me and Roxy walk in a minute. Oh, I love it.
• 49:29
  And then they're like. Oh, the bricks.
• 49:31
  Actually like, not like that, but like, it just feels.
• 49:34
  Like that because you feel like you have like a little girly
• 49:35
  feminine energy, yeah. It's like this beautiful like
• 49:39
  like symbiosis we all have. I love that.
• 49:42
  So what an? Interesting dynamic.
• 49:43
  It's fun. I want to see that, yeah,
• 49:45
  they're cool because I feel like my team's like so feminine woman
• 49:49
  heavy that I'm like, but that's the the power from me where I'm
• 49:52
  like, yeah. We're coming in.
• 49:54
  It's it's nice. It's like, I feel like we're all
• 49:56
  tapped into like the, the, the business side and the creative
• 49:59
  side of it. So we can like we have our
• 50:00
  little group message that we like, you know, just talk about
• 50:03
  everything. It's like that is.
• 50:04
  So fun. You're a fun person.
• 50:06
  I feel like I'm so down to business and so serious.
• 50:09
  Like I'm like Syriana. You're fine.
• 50:11
  What are you talking about? Oh my gosh, When it comes to
• 50:13
  like work and career things, I think I'm very like, I'm so.
• 50:17
  I think that that's fun. It's fun.
• 50:19
  It's fun for me because we're Virgos.
• 50:22
  Because we're Virgos. Oh my gosh, that that is
• 50:25
  exciting for me. Well, that's so cool.
• 50:27
  Like, honestly, it manifested that.
• 50:29
  Especially doing it independently and alone for such
• 50:31
  a long time. Yeah.
• 50:33
  And I, I'm, I love, I love that side of things too.
• 50:35
  So it was like learning. Learning that kind of stuff, I
• 50:38
  think helped me make decisions of how to bring in the right
• 50:41
  people. And it's good to be picky, too.
• 50:43
  Yeah. And, and I, I think you when you
• 50:47
  have been in the weeds of like learning how to do things you
• 50:51
  can make better decisions on like whether someone else is
• 50:55
  doing, I don't know. But like, yeah, I just feel like
• 50:58
  I had more confidence in myself in that decision making process.
• 51:01
  And I trust the people I'm around and I know that they know
• 51:04
  better than me. Like I, I trust them with that.
• 51:07
  So. But yeah, it's fun.
• 51:09
  Oh. My gosh, that's super exciting.
• 51:10
  I love business. I hate business.
• 51:12
  It's fun. I like it.
• 51:13
  Oh my God, join my team. I just want to like.
• 51:17
  Teehee. Yeah, that's fine.
• 51:19
  Giggle around. I love both.
• 51:21
  I think 1 without the other I wouldn't.
• 51:23
  I mean, you know, I. Quickly learned that they ghost
• 51:27
  so deeply, hand in hand. Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 51:29
  And like, that's something I'd never expected actually when I
• 51:32
  started, which I'm. So I'm so grateful for my team
• 51:34
  because I'm just like, thank God they handle everything for.
• 51:36
  Me, yeah. 'Cause I'm just like.
• 51:38
  I just, I will say like, yeah, there are aspects of it that I
• 51:41
  don't like and I'm very grateful to my beautiful, wonderful team
• 51:44
  that I don't have to do anymore and.
• 51:47
  Oh my God, same. But it's like fun to just like
• 51:50
  Gav about it all and stuff. Oh.
• 51:52
  That's fun. Put me in Group chats.
• 51:53
  Yeah, I want to see. OK, so you've mentioned before,
• 51:58
  I think you've mentioned that Halsey has been a great support
• 52:01
  for you. Like what's how is what's my
• 52:04
  question here? Like what?
• 52:06
  What has the support? What's the support looking like
• 52:08
  from Halsey? Beautiful question.
• 52:10
  I was like how do I phrase this? I want to ask really badly.
• 52:13
  I yeah, she is is awesome. And she's incredible.
• 52:18
  Obviously I'm a fan. Obviously she's incredible and
• 52:22
  she actually is who connected me with my other two managers that
• 52:26
  joined the team. So yeah, she followed me on
• 52:28
  Instagram. I remember it.
• 52:30
  I remember. Wait, I'm gagged.
• 52:31
  How's he followed you when this is before?
• 52:33
  Just like out of the blue. And I remember I was watching a
• 52:36
  presidential debate and I like, checked my phone.
• 52:38
  I was like, wait, he's with my boyfriend.
• 52:40
  I was like Danny. I was like, how's he just
• 52:42
  followed me? And I was like sitting there,
• 52:44
  like, what do I say? And I sent her a message and I
• 52:47
  was like, obviously I think you're amazing.
• 52:49
  And she's like, I think you're killing it.
• 52:51
  Like you're so cool. And I was like, and at the time,
• 52:55
  Anthony, who's her manager and now my manager as well, followed
• 52:59
  me and I sent him a message and I was like, you and I get copy
• 53:02
  and we just started. Becoming friends also.
• 53:05
  It's just like, sometimes it's just like fun to hang out with
• 53:08
  people. And it's fun to hang out with.
• 53:09
  People so it's like, I don't know, you never know what it's
• 53:11
  going to spiral into, but it's. Like if someone's following you,
• 53:14
  if someone. 'S following you, they real
• 53:16
  recognized as real. So like period.
• 53:19
  So no, that's like your reaction to how is he following you?
• 53:22
  I don't I don't even know. I never noticed you followed me.
• 53:25
  Actually, I never because you followed.
• 53:26
  I followed you when I saw bullet and then at some point you
• 53:30
  didn't follow back in time. And then at some point I saw you
• 53:32
  did follow me. But you know how I found out
• 53:35
  what? I went to your profile and I
• 53:37
  just checked. I was like and.
• 53:38
  You saw it. I saw because.
• 53:39
  I didn't get a notification or nothing.
• 53:41
  That's so funny. I was like, Oh my God.
• 53:44
  Yes, I had already known who you were before.
• 53:46
  Like, I mean, I knew that we were doing this interview, but
• 53:48
  I've seen you before. You had I'm so Gaggiana.
• 53:51
  What? That's so crazy.
• 53:53
  The universe knew because like, your name has come up in so many
• 53:56
  of my sessions. It's so funny.
• 53:58
  My producers would walk in to the session and on the laptop I
• 54:02
  would have either Damn Good Actress or supernova the music
• 54:05
  videos just just on the screen. Not even for anything other than
• 54:08
  I'm gagged. I was just gags.
• 54:10
  I was like, girl, these are everything.
• 54:13
  And they'd be like, oh, what's this?
• 54:14
  I'm like, let's just watch this and let's start the session.
• 54:16
  Like let's all enjoy this. Really quick. 100% and it really
• 54:21
  helps. So thank you.
• 54:22
  Thank you for that. Well, that's awesome.
• 54:24
  I have AI have a thing about Halsey.
• 54:26
  I've never said out loud. I'm going to say it.
• 54:28
  So I was at the Emmys last year and we went to the bathroom
• 54:32
  together. Wait, there was a hallway to the
• 54:34
  bathroom? So we were like going to the
• 54:36
  bathroom and there was like a line or whatever, right?
• 54:38
  So we were both just standing there.
• 54:39
  And I obviously knew it was Halsey.
• 54:40
  So I was just standing there. I was like, just be cool.
• 54:42
  Don't be like weird or anything. Like you're at the fucking
• 54:45
  Emmys, you're not going to geek out right now.
• 54:48
  And she called me Freddy. As she should, and I.
• 54:51
  Was like, I was like. Fucking You were being cool and
• 54:54
  you were perfect. I guess I was like, Oh my God,
• 54:56
  thank you so much. What's your name nonchalant just
• 54:58
  kidding. No, she went to the bathroom and
• 55:00
  her fiance was standing there were both were just like I'm not
• 55:03
  really so. You did.
• 55:04
  You played it cool. I played it way too cool and
• 55:08
  then when she got out of the bathroom I was like, Drive is
• 55:10
  one of my favorite songs ever. I love you.
• 55:11
  Thank you. Bye.
• 55:12
  Enjoy the Emmys. That's.
• 55:14
  Sweet. Oh, she's awesome.
• 55:15
  She's so cool. Yeah, she's so talented.
• 55:17
  Too. I'm very grateful for her.
• 55:18
  Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's so cool that
• 55:20
  I can't. That's really cool.
• 55:21
  She discovered you and then she like everything just kind of
• 55:24
  happened. She's generous and kind and
• 55:25
  like, yeah, she's a good person. Yeah, she is.
• 55:28
  And her music's so good, too. She's amazing.
• 55:30
  I want to get into the Texas prima Donna.
• 55:32
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 55:33
  What a project. Very ambitious.
• 55:35
  Yeah, it was I I actually. Bombastic.
• 55:37
  Bold. Yeah, it's funny.
• 55:39
  I wasn't really like thinking about that.
• 55:40
  I think I was just in a crazy time in my life that it was just
• 55:43
  like what came out. The company was crazy all night.
• 55:47
  No thoughts when I made that one I was just vibing.
• 55:49
  You're just like, here it is. This is what we're doing.
• 55:52
  You know what, I I'm sure you've clocked this as an artist, but
• 55:54
  like, you know the parallel, like with the title track, like
• 55:56
  you were talking about, like I'm definitely going to misquote
• 55:59
  this. Please correct me with the exact
• 56:01
  thing, but you're talking about like you're not going to see me
• 56:02
  cry. I don't want to cry.
• 56:04
  And then in Damn. Good actress, yeah, and then
• 56:06
  I'm. Like in the bridge, literally
• 56:10
  because you're like, hush hush. I mean, I, I like that so much.
• 56:14
  Yeah. I think it, I actually, I think
• 56:16
  you're the first person to like really talk about this dynamic
• 56:19
  between both the EPS. Really, I'm so honoured.
• 56:21
  I want to be the one to do it. Yeah, I, I think I kind of
• 56:25
  always, it's funny, these EPS might be like both my parents,
• 56:29
  like the different versions like that I've received from my
• 56:32
  parents. Like my my dad is very much like
• 56:35
  a person of like get up, get to work.
• 56:38
  Do it. That was the doctor's.
• 56:40
  Dream of like being a baddie but he's just like get just just do
• 56:43
  it like and I'm like OK yeah and then my mom yeah and my mom is
• 56:47
  very like it's OK to feel like it's.
• 56:49
  OK to cry. And so like there are these
• 56:52
  sides of me that. I the dichotomy of it is insane,
• 56:54
  especially seeing between like what we mentioned before, like
• 56:57
  an A side and AB side. And it's just like literally
• 56:59
  like this story of like the damn good actress.
• 57:01
  It's like you were you playing a character when you're the Texas
• 57:04
  prima Donna. I I think they're.
• 57:06
  They're still you. They're still me.
• 57:07
  It's just like a dramatized version of me.
• 57:09
  Because you know, when you're talking about in press, I
• 57:11
  noticed that you're literally personifying these people.
• 57:13
  You're like, she is like we talk about the Lone Starlet and I'm
• 57:16
  like. Yeah, because I think it's like
• 57:17
  fun. I think that that's like the
• 57:19
  theatre and me is like, I feel more safety in performing when
• 57:23
  it's like, not really me even. Though it is because then it
• 57:27
  also gives you like that safety net of being like, love it or
• 57:30
  hate it, it doesn't matter. This is like a version of me.
• 57:32
  Character. Yeah, and I think that I, I feel
• 57:35
  more freedom to express myself when it is a character.
• 57:39
  Like if I when I was in theater and I would like go up on stage
• 57:42
  just like, I don't know, the rabbit in Alice in Wonderland or
• 57:46
  whatever, It's like I'm not me. So there's like there's no it's
• 57:50
  like fun to. Play.
• 57:51
  Yeah. So I like keeping things in
• 57:54
  that. Way you literally dive into it
• 57:56
  so much deeper on the song. Damn good actress.
• 57:59
  It's exactly that like how incredible I love this like
• 58:02
  self-awareness that you have in your pop writing and I also just
• 58:04
  like you as an artist where you're like very much like
• 58:07
  observational. You're also very reflective.
• 58:10
  I think that's super rare in pop music.
• 58:11
  This is what I like in pop music, like not to nerd out, but
• 58:13
  I like it when like you have a really, really, really good
• 58:16
  song, but you can also feel something.
• 58:18
  You can you can also learn a lot about the artist through it.
• 58:20
  And that's how I felt when I was listening to the Lone Starlet.
• 58:23
  And honestly, I think the the what's it called the flip side
• 58:27
  of like so bombastic, the Texas prima Donna and so confident and
• 58:31
  bold and like the cockiness. And then now we have like the
• 58:34
  one Starlin. It has these soft, really
• 58:36
  vulnerable moments. Like a lot of them actually even
• 58:39
  even a banger, the greatest song of all time, Supernova, it's
• 58:43
  still so vulnerable. It's like really, it's like
• 58:45
  really admitting. It's like, can we handle this?
• 58:47
  Like, are we really? I think that life, it for me is
• 58:51
  always like a dance between these two sides of myself when
• 58:54
  I'm like feeling really hyper confident and when I'm like,
• 58:57
  hey, I actually don't know what I'm doing at all.
• 58:59
  And you? Captured that so well and damn
• 59:00
  good actress. I appreciate that.
• 59:01
  Yeah. I, I, I think I'm always itching
• 59:04
  to like, embody, like I think we all in a lot of ways feel
• 59:10
  different sides of ourselves. And like, my goal is always try
• 59:12
  to find a way for those parts of myself to coexist because
• 59:15
  they're all true. They do coexist and I think like
• 59:18
  like with your projects, it's like this is so you and it's
• 59:21
  cool to know too, because then I was wondering because like when
• 59:23
  you're talking about it, when I was doing my research boots on
• 59:25
  you, I was like, you're talking about them like they're
• 59:27
  characters and they're like, you know, different extensions.
• 59:29
  I'm like, how personal are these characters and beings to you?
• 59:32
  Like you're still writing them. These are still things that you
• 59:34
  feel. Yeah.
• 59:35
  And I think that my music will always be like that.
• 59:39
  And I'm still discovering like where it goes in the future if
• 59:41
  it's like a continuation, literally of the narrative.
• 59:43
  But like, I think I really wanted to set myself up for the
• 59:47
  freedom of being able to like, OK, I'm playing this character
• 59:50
  now and I'm doubling down on this character.
• 59:52
  And I kind of want like the future of my projects to kind of
• 59:55
  embody like, oh, I'm being this character because it's
• 59:58
  digestible. It's like, you know, it's like
• 1:00:00
  we know what we're getting. It's like watching a movie, You
• 1:00:02
  know? It's like I'm you're.
• 1:00:03
  Like holding the hand for the audience too.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah, like we're going to go step into character.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah. I love that.
• 1:00:09
  I was like, so this is a question since you walked
• 1:00:11
  through on set that I was like, I'm going to literally save for
• 1:00:13
  the show, but I really want to know.
• 1:00:15
  So like we have the Texas prima Donna with the lone starlet.
• 1:00:18
  Like are we thinking the next project, the next continuation,
• 1:00:20
  is going to be the adjective noun?
• 1:00:23
  It's so funny. I, I didn't even clock that.
• 1:00:26
  I was like doing that. Oh my.
• 1:00:28
  Gosh, I thought I was like book. Guys, well, I mean, I was, I was
• 1:00:31
  doing it, but like I wasn't aiming for.
• 1:00:34
  That. Yeah, I, it was like after the
• 1:00:36
  fact when I found when I came up with the Lone Starlet name, I
• 1:00:39
  was like, yeah, it's like I was like, it's perfect.
• 1:00:43
  And I was so geeked about it, but I wasn't really clocking
• 1:00:47
  that. It was a maybe it was kind of a
• 1:00:51
  continuation, but I, I was kind of just telling my story and
• 1:00:54
  then realizing it was a continuation like I.
• 1:00:56
  Mean it's a real true story like you a girl from Texas comes out
• 1:00:59
  to LA the lone. Star, this is what I'm going
• 1:01:01
  through. Yeah, this is what you're going.
• 1:01:02
  Through and I was feeling lonely I was like spending time with
• 1:01:05
  myself yeah I was feeling a lot and I was just like, OK, this is
• 1:01:07
  this is just what's happening right now and so it's like
• 1:01:10
  interesting to like move forward with that of like where it goes
• 1:01:13
  because like it it's just really just a drama version of like
• 1:01:17
  whatever's. Happening.
• 1:01:18
  I mean, the visuals that you have are so dramatic and like
• 1:01:21
  cinematic, and I think that's one that's really cool that
• 1:01:24
  every song had a visual. I'm so excited.
• 1:01:27
  I loved your movie premieres that you did in LA.
• 1:01:31
  Texas was in new. York.
• 1:01:32
  New York I really wish I was the only one I I'm still kidding.
• 1:01:35
  I don't remember what I had I literally as a fan this one.
• 1:01:39
  This was no industry connect nothing you like post about
• 1:01:42
  IRSVPD myself didn't even tell my team.
• 1:01:45
  I didn't tell no one. I was like I'm showing up as a
• 1:01:47
  fan. I didn't even get to go I.
• 1:01:48
  Didn't even get to go next. One we do.
• 1:01:50
  I was so upset because I was so jealous because for a week, it
• 1:01:52
  was a week before the EP dropped and I was like, they all heard
• 1:01:55
  supernova because you were teasing it.
• 1:01:57
  Yeah, I. Don't think they all fucking
• 1:01:59
  they got to hear everything. I played every music video.
• 1:02:01
  They got to hear all the songs and Gaggy, but not to rub it in
• 1:02:04
  your face, but it's. OK, I have it now.
• 1:02:06
  I have it now. Oh my gosh, let's.
• 1:02:09
  I've been dancing around this. Let's talk about it.
• 1:02:10
  I fucking love Supernova. Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Yeah. That is the greatest pop song of
• 1:02:14
  all time. Oh my God, I'm really proud of
• 1:02:16
  it. It when when we first wrote
• 1:02:18
  that, I was like, this is special.
• 1:02:20
  I. Was going to say it's special.
• 1:02:22
  Yeah, I knew it was special, but the it's very different than it
• 1:02:27
  was when we first wrote it. Like it was very.
• 1:02:30
  Bare the demos. Yeah, the demos of it and like
• 1:02:32
  the song is that the structure of it is similar, but the actual
• 1:02:36
  production of it was like we were pretty bare bones with it.
• 1:02:38
  And honestly, I played it. I did a headline show in July of
• 1:02:42
  last year and we played it and we had to like we were like
• 1:02:46
  figuring out drums. Like, it was just so bare bones.
• 1:02:49
  And I remember playing it and that being like the song of the
• 1:02:52
  night where everybody was like, well, yes, this song's really,
• 1:02:55
  really good. And I was like, I know, right.
• 1:02:58
  Like I thought so cool. But like when people would
• 1:03:00
  listen to the demo, they liked it, but no one was like, yeah,
• 1:03:03
  they. Were jumping at.
• 1:03:04
  It yeah, but interesting. Like once we like built it out
• 1:03:07
  and people heard it, they were like, oh, oh.
• 1:03:09
  My God this is a good You have to play it as a demo, like as a
• 1:03:10
  fan. I think I'll find it OK.
• 1:03:13
  Please I I'm I'm so curious to hear it.
• 1:03:15
  That song is incredible. It's fun.
• 1:03:17
  It's it's also fun to see how things like come to fruition.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah, but you always you can feel it. 100% for that and like
• 1:03:23
  the we were talking about the songs of it, like I was like I
• 1:03:25
  love the whooshing sounds and you said it was a car.
• 1:03:27
  I'm pretty sure I'll have to ask Jack, but I'm pretty sure it's
• 1:03:30
  like a car driving by that's like distorted.
• 1:03:33
  Literally sounds like a supernova.
• 1:03:34
  That's so crazy. And I love how like just, Oh my
• 1:03:37
  gosh, I was going to get geeky about it.
• 1:03:39
  I'm just going to do it. The way that the song swells so
• 1:03:42
  much, it gets so big, has such a big moment and then it comes to
• 1:03:46
  the whisper, ends with the whisper outro like.
• 1:03:48
  And you do it in a way it's like the beats don't even.
• 1:03:51
  It doesn't end there. Yeah, yeah, you got it there.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah, chill. I'm.
• 1:03:55
  Glad you loved that. I wish I could re experience
• 1:03:57
  listening to that song for the first time.
• 1:03:59
  That is so funny. Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Like, because we didn't always have it like that.
• 1:04:02
  It was like a leader thing that I decided I wanted.
• 1:04:04
  To really, I love it. What's a good tie back because
• 1:04:06
  you're whispering in the pre? Yeah, and it was.
• 1:04:08
  It's technically to me when I think of supernovas like I'm
• 1:04:11
  crashing out inside my head because it's about like this is
• 1:04:15
  before me and my boyfriend said that we loved each other and it
• 1:04:18
  was like literally us sitting on the couch of me thinking like,
• 1:04:21
  you literally say it in the am I going to say it?
• 1:04:23
  Is he going to say it like I have no.
• 1:04:25
  And I would literally every moment that I was with him, I
• 1:04:27
  would be thinking about it and crashing out and he would just
• 1:04:30
  have no idea that I was thinking about it.
• 1:04:31
  I wouldn't say a damn thing. Like damn good actress, damn
• 1:04:33
  good actress. There you go.
• 1:04:34
  And so it was like having these intimate moments with him, but
• 1:04:38
  I'm like, internally, it's like crazy in my brain.
• 1:04:41
  Sonically, the song feels like that too.
• 1:04:43
  You nailed it. I cannot believe.
• 1:04:46
  That I can't take all the credit for it.
• 1:04:47
  Jack really did his big one with that.
• 1:04:49
  That's Shadow Jack. Like that song's so good.
• 1:04:52
  And like the intimacy of it. Like I think I'm in love and it
• 1:04:54
  scares me. Like real.
• 1:04:56
  That was just true. Like that was my truth.
• 1:04:58
  And you're like whispering. Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  You're like, you can't even say it.
• 1:05:00
  Yeah, you. Know what I?
• 1:05:01
  Mean. And you're saying it?
• 1:05:02
  Yeah. No, but I was genuinely yeah,
• 1:05:04
  and it was funny. I didn't know that story.
• 1:05:06
  Like painting the picture in the verses.
• 1:05:07
  Literally. On this like the TV, the
• 1:05:09
  soundtag on the TV girl. Yeah, I was.
• 1:05:10
  Just sitting there thinking it was.
• 1:05:11
  I think I literally wrote it the day I like.
• 1:05:13
  I came. I had slept over at his house
• 1:05:14
  and like he went to the studio and I was like, I can't stop
• 1:05:16
  thinking about. This.
• 1:05:17
  This is it. We're gonna write about this?
• 1:05:18
  That's crazy. What I couldn't say to him,
• 1:05:20
  literally, I was just writing in a song.
• 1:05:22
  That's amazing. I do that all the time.
• 1:05:23
  And he even heard your song. He heard the song before we even
• 1:05:27
  said I love you. And I'm like, So what do you
• 1:05:28
  think? You're just like, what do you
• 1:05:29
  think about the lyrics? Just.
• 1:05:31
  Something I'm working on like what do you.
• 1:05:33
  Think any thoughts on this deeply personal song I wrote
• 1:05:36
  from a real place. He's so like, he's so
• 1:05:39
  analytical. He's like, I like the
• 1:05:40
  production. Is he a Virgo?
• 1:05:41
  No, he's a Gemini. A Gemini.
• 1:05:43
  Happy birthday. Yeah, it's.
• 1:05:44
  Coming. Was it recent or June 11th?
• 1:05:46
  June 11th, June 11th. Happy birthday.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah, he's an artist as well. He's not an artist, but he's in
• 1:05:50
  music. Oh, an amazing guitar player.
• 1:05:52
  Oh that's sick. I love his the hair.
• 1:05:55
  Yeah, he's a. Baddie.
• 1:05:56
  Oh, and he was amazing in Supernova.
• 1:05:57
  Yeah, great. Performance.
• 1:05:58
  He's a *. Supernova, Supernova.
• 1:06:01
  Absolutely. Wow, that's so special,
• 1:06:03
  especially working with your like your literal real life
• 1:06:05
  partner. Yeah, you know music and you're
• 1:06:06
  putting in in the music video for a Sonic that you wrote about
• 1:06:09
  that situation. It's.
• 1:06:10
  Fun. Yes wait now that I have the
• 1:06:12
  back lore I'm like. And the music video is literally
• 1:06:14
  on the couch in the TV. Oh my God, you're such a
• 1:06:17
  visionary. Everyone.
• 1:06:20
  Yeah, everyone who was a part of that too.
• 1:06:21
  Like, I love that song. What a great song.
• 1:06:24
  We. I'm so curious because you have
• 1:06:27
  a bridge on damn good Actress, but you didn't put one in Subaru
• 1:06:29
  Nova. This is me being a nerd again.
• 1:06:30
  But yeah. Curious.
• 1:06:32
  I don't really think much about it.
• 1:06:35
  I think that there was more I needed to say in Damn Good
• 1:06:38
  Actress, like I was kind of giving the lore of it, but it
• 1:06:41
  was like I needed my moment and I literally cried in the session
• 1:06:44
  when I wrote that. Like it?
• 1:06:45
  Was damn good actress. And damn good actress.
• 1:06:46
  Yeah, I cried because it was like, yeah, it was like I hadn't
• 1:06:51
  really let myself think, feel what I felt.
• 1:06:54
  What if I took that chorus? Perfect.
• 1:06:57
  Perfect. But it's like, yeah, I, I just
• 1:07:01
  hadn't. I really wanted a moment where
• 1:07:04
  I'm like, it's OK to cry like. And it's nice to say that, too.
• 1:07:07
  Yeah, It's nice to admit it. It's also nice to put it in the
• 1:07:10
  music. And it's just a perfect tie and
• 1:07:12
  to what that song is and what that song means, you know what I
• 1:07:15
  mean? Like, and what a chorus, what a
• 1:07:19
  shout out to your collaborators on that.
• 1:07:21
  Song too. Yes, that's so good.
• 1:07:23
  And it's just like it really embodies what that project is.
• 1:07:27
  And also the intro, you know? Can I tell you something just as
• 1:07:30
  a fan? I clocked when I saw the track
• 1:07:31
  listing that you had the intro and I was like, it's going to be
• 1:07:34
  from the music. Video I knew, I knew.
• 1:07:35
  What I was like, it's going to be from the music video because
• 1:07:38
  you were, you had the, you had the elongated part.
• 1:07:40
  I was like, that's what I think it is.
• 1:07:41
  And when I played it, Oh my gosh, it was like 9:00 PM on the
• 1:07:45
  the release date. I don't even do this anymore for
• 1:07:47
  artists. I'm so busy.
• 1:07:48
  I literally was like, gotta go get in my car so I could listen
• 1:07:50
  to it. Sat down, played it from the
• 1:07:52
  top. So excited hopping.
• 1:07:53
  On the freeway, wow, it's so nice to like, think about you
• 1:07:57
  doing that, 'cause I don't do that, but it's like, nice to
• 1:08:00
  hear. Well, that's what I'm saying,
• 1:08:01
  'cause I haven't been able to do that in a while, 'cause like,
• 1:08:03
  I'm so busy and I don't think about it, and there haven't
• 1:08:05
  really been artists that excite me.
• 1:08:06
  That's why I keep saying refreshing.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, you're bringing something so
• 1:08:10
  new. And you know, what's interesting
• 1:08:11
  is with the the amount of genres and things that you dip into
• 1:08:15
  this project, it's like it's all interesting and it's all like
• 1:08:18
  very intentional, you know? I, yeah, I I like that freedom
• 1:08:22
  with it. That's so cool.
• 1:08:24
  That's really cool. That's a, that's such a great
• 1:08:26
  project. And the cover art, when you
• 1:08:27
  dropped it, I was so gagged. It's been a minute since I've
• 1:08:30
  been a huge fan of something. So like, I think I commented, I
• 1:08:33
  was so deeply gagged. I was like, shut up.
• 1:08:37
  I'm. So grateful, I'm really happy
• 1:08:39
  with how it turned out. But you shot that on one of the
• 1:08:41
  visuals like the. Encore.
• 1:08:42
  It was just a photo we took at Yeah, at the day we shot the
• 1:08:45
  encore and it came together and ended up being the cover art.
• 1:08:49
  And it was just like this journey.
• 1:08:51
  And once we finally, like chose that picture, I was like, oh, it
• 1:08:53
  was always supposed to be that picture like.
• 1:08:55
  Are you kidding me? It's stunning and it gives the
• 1:08:58
  emotion and the drama. Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  And also like we didn't mean for this, like the photo just got
• 1:09:02
  taken. And then it was like that was
• 1:09:05
  literally the the light in the corner is like literally the
• 1:09:08
  spotlight that's like just in the theater we were in.
• 1:09:10
  And I was like, we cropped it. I was like looking through
• 1:09:12
  photos of like what I wanted to be the cover art.
• 1:09:14
  And we saw that photo and I was like, it's literally one star.
• 1:09:18
  And I liked the symbolism, like the Texas Prima Donna 1 is like
• 1:09:22
  me, kind of like basking in the light on my face.
• 1:09:24
  You're giving your Goss at. Yeah, totally love.
• 1:09:27
  And but with this one, it's like the star is behind me and I'm
• 1:09:30
  looking back. Yeah.
• 1:09:32
  It was like, let me before I like jump into.
• 1:09:35
  So it's always like the symbolism of it.
• 1:09:37
  All right? Like I'm like, if this is like
• 1:09:39
  my future that I'm headed towards, like let me look back
• 1:09:41
  one more time and like, say the last things I need to say before
• 1:09:44
  I like head towards my future. It's kind of how I thought.
• 1:09:47
  It so gaggy, especially how you're describing this project
• 1:09:49
  where like an introduction before TS one that's so
• 1:09:53
  exciting. Oh my God, we're going to talk
• 1:09:55
  about TS1, but I want to keep talking about the lone starley.
• 1:09:58
  I love this project. I love it so much.
• 1:10:00
  I listen to it so much. Oh my God, I'm going to show you
• 1:10:02
  after this. Everyone look at my hands.
• 1:10:04
  So I I'm literally I'm going to show you my own repeat.
• 1:10:07
  I think it is supernova is my number one right now or damn
• 1:10:10
  good actress. They're all right there.
• 1:10:11
  They're all so up there. And because I I don't even
• 1:10:14
  listen to music. I usually just listen to my own
• 1:10:15
  demos because I'm trying to like make them better and whatever
• 1:10:18
  I'm working on it, but I always need a palate cleanser.
• 1:10:20
  So I'll go back to the EP and I'm like, what A.
• 1:10:22
  Treat for you. Thank you.
• 1:10:24
  It's such a treat. It's just so well done.
• 1:10:27
  Congratulations on the release. They're your first release with
• 1:10:29
  Atlantic as well. So you had said before that this
• 1:10:32
  project was written over the course of two years, actually
• 1:10:35
  worked on it during the prima Donna tech, the Texas prima
• 1:10:38
  Donna era. Oh.
• 1:10:38
  My God, I yeah. The first song that I
• 1:10:41
  technically wrote for The Lone Starlet was Casualty, and I
• 1:10:44
  wrote it around, I think it was like literally the same week
• 1:10:46
  that I wrote. Oh my God.
• 1:10:48
  And I didn't know what it was going to be like.
• 1:10:51
  I just honestly just kept writing.
• 1:10:53
  And this was like the first time I really had the, like,
• 1:10:55
  opportunity to be in rooms with a lot of different writers.
• 1:10:58
  So I was just writing, writing, writing a ton.
• 1:10:59
  Was so giddy about it and. Congratulations.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, yeah, it was just it was cool to like to do that and then
• 1:11:06
  kind of look at what I kept coming back to because there
• 1:11:08
  were songs like I'm I'm a quantity girl, like just write.
• 1:11:12
  It's so fun. I.
• 1:11:14
  Keep saying that I'm like I want to make as much music as I can
• 1:11:16
  then pick the best. Yeah, pick the best and that's
• 1:11:18
  how I feel. You'll come back to things.
• 1:11:19
  You'll be like, like, I like this and I don't know why, but I
• 1:11:21
  keep singing it. And there's a reason thinking.
• 1:11:22
  About it, yeah. And so I always try to like and
• 1:11:26
  then I'll find the three line, you know, yeah, 100%.
• 1:11:28
  But it's been, yeah, two years and it all came together like I
• 1:11:31
  was finishing it up as I was getting signed, which is really
• 1:11:35
  cool. But you already have the songs
• 1:11:36
  and everything. And you're like, I knew what?
• 1:11:38
  I knew what the project was going to.
• 1:11:39
  Be so did was the project already like it existed and
• 1:11:43
  obviously not like completely polished or packaged quite yet
• 1:11:46
  when you're getting signed like you didn't start anything went
• 1:11:49
  under Atlantic that ended up making the album or the project.
• 1:11:52
  I think honestly, the last song I wrote was when I think I knew
• 1:12:00
  I was. I think I wrote it maybe in
• 1:12:01
  August like I was. It's about to happen.
• 1:12:03
  You're about. To yeah, like I know what's
• 1:12:05
  happening, Like I've made my decision, but they're like in
• 1:12:07
  the lawyer portion of it all. So it's like we're not literally
• 1:12:10
  in the mix yet, but I know it's happening.
• 1:12:12
  It's happening, yeah. So you're like wrapping up?
• 1:12:14
  Your yeah. And I was like, honestly, like
• 1:12:15
  the the well. Have you been working on music
• 1:12:17
  since finishing the Lone Starlet?
• 1:12:19
  I'm sure, of course. Yeah, yeah, I I've been doing a
• 1:12:22
  lot of sessions, which is fun. I took a little bit of a break
• 1:12:24
  as we were doing the visuals and stuff because it was like a lot
• 1:12:26
  of different modes. It's it's really hard.
• 1:12:27
  Like I always talk about this too, because I was telling my
• 1:12:29
  producer like when I start rolling out, you will not see
• 1:12:32
  me. There's no.
• 1:12:32
  Sessions. We're just going to roll out, so
• 1:12:34
  like. They're different.
• 1:12:35
  There is. It's very different things.
• 1:12:36
  And I've learned about myself that I am a compartmentalizer in
• 1:12:39
  my brain. So it's like, it's like, oh, I'm
• 1:12:42
  in this mode and it's easier to stay in this.
• 1:12:44
  Yeah, it's my Virgo boots. That's why the waitressing
• 1:12:45
  thing. You're like, OK, I just know
• 1:12:46
  I'm. Going to clock in, I do my
• 1:12:48
  thing. Clock in, do your thing.
• 1:12:49
  OK, let's talk about bullet. This is actually how I
• 1:12:51
  discovered you. Yeah.
• 1:12:52
  That music video was so sickening.
• 1:12:53
  That's crazy. I don't even like country.
• 1:12:55
  Proud of it. But I was just like, Oh my God,
• 1:12:56
  I love this song. And I love like, little.
• 1:12:59
  You do this in Supernova with like the car sound, which sounds
• 1:13:02
  like a comet to me. But then you have a bullet.
• 1:13:04
  And then you also have like, is is it a whip in Texas?
• 1:13:08
  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, yes.
• 1:13:09
  I like these little quirky. It just makes it grounds the
• 1:13:13
  song in real life. Yes, I love that because it's
• 1:13:15
  like, to me, those are like the movie elements of it.
• 1:13:17
  It's like we are in this world and like I like the.
• 1:13:20
  Little things and the TV switching and supernova and the
• 1:13:23
  static and then like the introduction of damn good
• 1:13:27
  actress go on clocking so. But I love that too.
• 1:13:29
  I do that in my own music. That's why I'm like really
• 1:13:31
  impressed that I don't see it a lot.
• 1:13:32
  People should do it more. It feels obvious.
• 1:13:34
  It's fun. It's so good.
• 1:13:35
  But Bullet is This was incredible.
• 1:13:36
  So this song was inspired about your ex getting married and you
• 1:13:41
  found out from your psychic dream about it.
• 1:13:43
  Let's talk about that. I it's pretty crazy.
• 1:13:46
  I had a dream and it was like talking with my ex-boyfriend and
• 1:13:52
  my my boyfriend was there with me and I was like, yeah, in my
• 1:13:56
  dream. And I was like, this is weird,
• 1:13:58
  super weird. And I hadn't really thought
• 1:14:01
  about my ex in a long time because it's been a long time,
• 1:14:04
  right? And I was like, I woke up and I
• 1:14:08
  was like in a weird mood, obviously, because I was like,
• 1:14:10
  what is that about? Like, why did I have that dream
• 1:14:12
  and how rando so rando and I like go like go on Instagram,
• 1:14:17
  little sakies. Yes, and I am I'm not better
• 1:14:20
  than anyone. I also do that.
• 1:14:22
  And but I went and checked on his profile and I saw a video
• 1:14:27
  where that he had said that he got married.
• 1:14:30
  And I was like, what? Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  So it was pretty crazy. And obviously it's like a even
• 1:14:35
  when you're moved on like that is just like a crazy thing.
• 1:14:38
  So like that one could have been you or two like what have you
• 1:14:40
  worked out that would have? Happened processing and emotions
• 1:14:42
  like you don't really know what's happening within yourself
• 1:14:45
  yeah like I'm I'm grateful I am where I am at where I am in my
• 1:14:49
  life. Everything went to plan and also
• 1:14:51
  for him like do your thing, right?
• 1:14:53
  I'm grateful too be happy, but it was just such a whirlwind of
• 1:14:56
  emotions, right, Of course, So I had a session that day and I was
• 1:14:59
  actually talking with my friend that I ended up writing bullet
• 1:15:01
  with. She said that I don't remember
• 1:15:04
  this, but I was having such a bad day.
• 1:15:06
  Of course, like I was just like emotional.
• 1:15:08
  And because of that dream and finding out.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah, it was kind of crazy. And then I, I guess I'd push the
• 1:15:13
  session back like 3 hours and I don't remember this.
• 1:15:17
  And she was like, I thought you were kind of a diva because you
• 1:15:18
  like, sit back. And I was like, I don't remember
• 1:15:21
  this at all. Was this one that you're working
• 1:15:23
  with already or is this the first?
• 1:15:24
  Time I had met her once before, so I didn't know her and she she
• 1:15:27
  was like she thought it was no, she's one of my closest friend,
• 1:15:29
  but it was just so funny. She was like, she was like, at
• 1:15:32
  first I was like, why does this girl keep pushing it back?
• 1:15:33
  Like, what the heck? And then she was like, as soon
• 1:15:36
  as you got there, I was grateful that you pushed it back.
• 1:15:38
  Like it, we, we grew up. Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  Like, it was what I, what I needed to do to like, be ready.
• 1:15:43
  Because if I had walked in before, like processing a little
• 1:15:46
  bit, I wouldn't have been ready. I think you wouldn't have even
• 1:15:48
  been there. Yeah, you know, so I was
• 1:15:49
  grateful they were down for me to push it.
• 1:15:51
  Timing is so nice. That's really interesting.
• 1:15:53
  I don't think any of you by work will.
• 1:15:55
  Be. Then you'd be like, I don't care
• 1:15:56
  if you're processing, you're showing.
• 1:15:58
  Up at this time. And I'm like, and I will see you
• 1:15:59
  then. Absolutely.
• 1:16:01
  That's so great. That's the first song I found
• 1:16:03
  from you. That's actually how I discovered
• 1:16:04
  you. I was telling you before the
• 1:16:05
  show, but that song is so I don't even like country.
• 1:16:09
  I thought you were a country artist.
• 1:16:10
  So when you started teasing damn good actress, I was like, what?
• 1:16:13
  And I told my producers I was like, this girl I found like, I
• 1:16:16
  thought she was a country artist.
• 1:16:18
  And I was like, Oh my gosh, this is so crazy.
• 1:16:20
  And then you just kept surprising me.
• 1:16:22
  And then when he draws, I was like, this is a folk song.
• 1:16:27
  Yeah, it's, I don't know, I'm like, there are definitely
• 1:16:30
  people that would probably love for me to just like pick a lane
• 1:16:32
  and stick to it, but I don't know, it's just like fun, like
• 1:16:35
  make the best thing you can. No, I actually still feel this
• 1:16:38
  cohesive in the track listing of it.
• 1:16:39
  You know what I mean? I think it goes.
• 1:16:40
  From Bullet Casualty, like there are themes that I wasn't even
• 1:16:44
  really realizing that I was. Girl like it.
• 1:16:46
  It opens with the introduction and ends with the encore.
• 1:16:49
  And then obviously you have damn good actress, which, you know,
• 1:16:52
  we can consider the opener as well.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah. And then going into Bullet and
• 1:16:56
  Casualty and then Supernova. Supernova.
• 1:16:59
  Yeah. Yes, yes, I like that.
• 1:17:02
  That's so good. It really is playing out like a
• 1:17:03
  movie. Yeah, and it's so intentional.
• 1:17:05
  Oh my gosh, that's so cool. And I really like Bullet.
• 1:17:08
  Like I just. I'm so good.
• 1:17:10
  Thank. You.
• 1:17:10
  Yeah. I'm really, I'm really proud of
• 1:17:12
  that song. Woman and bullet writing that
• 1:17:15
  your mind what? I I got to give credit to Eva,
• 1:17:18
  honey. Oh my God.
• 1:17:20
  With that's. What's so good?
• 1:17:22
  She she wrote the woman line. And I was like you, genius.
• 1:17:25
  But like, that doesn't even rhyme.
• 1:17:26
  That's what makes us so good. I'm like, wait, because I love
• 1:17:29
  the slant rhyme. Yeah, it was fun too 'cause it
• 1:17:31
  was also like hamming up the like, because sometimes I have
• 1:17:34
  more of an accent, like especially when I go home and I
• 1:17:36
  hang out with my mom more like it, it like gets stronger.
• 1:17:41
  And so it was like fun to kind of like it kind of can rhyme.
• 1:17:45
  100% you know, it's crazy. Literally when I was doing my
• 1:17:47
  research boots there, it was like, it was like Southern charm
• 1:17:49
  Tiffany Stringer. And I was like, OK, and then
• 1:17:51
  you're like, I meet and I was like, Oh yeah, like there it is.
• 1:17:53
  That totally is oh so special. I also like that like the second
• 1:17:57
  I saw you were just I was watching a bunch of interviews
• 1:18:00
  and you were so magnetic and bubbly.
• 1:18:01
  And the second, like I saw you in the parking lot, you were
• 1:18:02
  like magnetic and bubbly. And I was like, I was like, this
• 1:18:06
  is so early, but I have to have about a lock in.
• 1:18:09
  Oh my gosh, literally went Paige called me to say that you guys
• 1:18:13
  were here. I was like, everyone, let's go.
• 1:18:16
  Oh my gosh, I need to show my other text.
• 1:18:18
  I texted the group chat, my PR group chat last night and I said
• 1:18:21
  this is one of my favorite artists and everyone treat her
• 1:18:24
  like royalty and everyone's like, got it.
• 1:18:25
  Yes, absolutely not. We we treat everyone like
• 1:18:27
  royalty. But I was like, I need everyone
• 1:18:29
  to know this. 1 I feel like royalty, so thank you.
• 1:18:32
  OK, good. I mean, please, you are royalty
• 1:18:34
  to me. So.
• 1:18:35
  OK, casualty. Yes.
• 1:18:37
  Oh my God, folky, this was the first one you did for this?
• 1:18:39
  Project. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:40
  And then you kept it there. You kept it folky, like as you
• 1:18:42
  were developing the project. You didn't think you were.
• 1:18:44
  It didn't like, wasn't like. We should move in this
• 1:18:47
  direction. This project is becoming.
• 1:18:48
  Like this Yeah I I love folk songs and I.
• 1:18:53
  You write like singer song or folky to me, like the lyric.
• 1:18:57
  I appreciate. That that's so special when pop
• 1:18:59
  writing. Yeah, it's funny because I feel
• 1:19:01
  like I have like, my weird little obsessions.
• 1:19:03
  Like I'm obsessed with like, pop artists.
• 1:19:06
  Me too. And you reference.
• 1:19:07
  You mentioned Gaga on the. Yeah, I love like, pop stars,
• 1:19:12
  but then there's like songs, specific songs that I love that
• 1:19:15
  I'm like that I've become obsessed with.
• 1:19:18
  And those songs are usually like a folk song.
• 1:19:20
  And so it was fun to like write that.
• 1:19:24
  And I also think that the emotion I was touching on in
• 1:19:27
  Casualty specifically, it is like a sentiment that you would
• 1:19:30
  more likely find in a folk song. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:19:33
  And so I felt really belongs. Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  I, I think I'm always like, trying to find, like, the truth
• 1:19:36
  of it. And then, like, what's the Sonic
• 1:19:38
  way of like, letting this be as truthful as possible?
• 1:19:42
  I love that that's you have a lot of freedom when you're
• 1:19:44
  making your art, and that's so. Cool, I think that that's the
• 1:19:47
  best way to do it. You're right.
• 1:19:48
  I'm going to start doing that because I was thinking about my
• 1:19:50
  process like I just start with a lyric and then I think I have I
• 1:19:55
  have in my mind like where I want the song to go sonically,
• 1:19:57
  but then I make I make it fit like it has to make sense or
• 1:20:00
  whatever and I. Think there's a time and place
• 1:20:01
  for that? Like there sometimes where that
• 1:20:03
  is the fun thing to do for me. Like you're such a good writer,
• 1:20:05
  that fun. Thank you.
• 1:20:06
  Also, I've been wanting to say this entire interview but like
• 1:20:09
  we were chatting so much but like you're such a star.
• 1:20:12
  Thank you. You're such a star.
• 1:20:14
  Oh my God, I know a star when? I It's like our affirmation.
• 1:20:16
  Oh my God, yeah, I'm a star and I'm claiming.
• 1:20:18
  I am a star. I'm a star claimed.
• 1:20:21
  Oh my God, And such an incredible project.
• 1:20:22
  Like I'm so excited about all of it.
• 1:20:24
  And the encore, like it literally feels like the end of
• 1:20:26
  a show. And what another special
• 1:20:27
  vulnerable song. That entire project, top to
• 1:20:29
  bottom, it's like, oh, we're really getting into the boots of
• 1:20:32
  like this of who you are and like this other side of you.
• 1:20:35
  Because I think when you introduce that concept with damn
• 1:20:37
  good actress, but it's like, yeah, we're going to get we're
• 1:20:40
  getting into it. Now, yeah, the encore was the
• 1:20:43
  hardest song for me to write. I really wanted to capture that
• 1:20:47
  and not even like the actual production of it.
• 1:20:49
  I didn't know what production wise it was going to be.
• 1:20:51
  I just knew like the theme of what I wanted to talk about and
• 1:20:54
  really like the emotion. I didn't.
• 1:20:55
  I couldn't really figure out what I thought.
• 1:20:57
  I just knew I felt I had this feeling in me that I couldn't
• 1:21:02
  figure out. And for me, like songwriting
• 1:21:06
  obviously is very therapeutic. So when I'm able to write about
• 1:21:10
  a specific emotion, it's like I'm almost set free from it.
• 1:21:13
  I could like, if it's out of my body and I can write it, then
• 1:21:16
  it's like. Wait, are we?
• 1:21:18
  Oh my God, my publicist is going to be so annoyed at me.
• 1:21:21
  Yes, I literally tell my producers all the time.
• 1:21:23
  I'm like thank you so much for taking the session with me
• 1:21:25
  'cause it would stay on my chest unless I wrote it.
• 1:21:27
  And now that I did, it's released.
• 1:21:29
  I feel free. It's like alchemy.
• 1:21:30
  You can like. Trans It's so crazy I've never
• 1:21:33
  heard anyone say that before so I'm like.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah, girl. Wavelength boots.
• 1:21:36
  I appreciate you like recognizing that in like the
• 1:21:38
  songwriting process of it all. Oh, I'm, I'm a really big
• 1:21:41
  songwriter. So like I'm your writing is
• 1:21:43
  incredible. It gives it gives like folk
• 1:21:46
  singer-songwriter with these like beautiful, lush, like pop
• 1:21:49
  productions and any way that you sonically put it.
• 1:21:52
  And then obviously you love a string quartet.
• 1:21:54
  I do I. Love.
• 1:21:55
  They love you. They love you and your
• 1:21:59
  songwriter. You've also written songs for
• 1:22:01
  Bailey's Spin. We she's a Dululu alum.
• 1:22:04
  We love her. Loser is such a great project.
• 1:22:07
  Oh my gosh. How did you come about that I.
• 1:22:09
  I think she had seen videos of me and Bailey, correct me if I'm
• 1:22:14
  wrong, but I'm, I'm pretty sure she maybe saw videos of me or
• 1:22:17
  her manager did and she really wanted to work with women.
• 1:22:20
  And I had never, well, maybe like once or twice I've written
• 1:22:26
  with other people, but like nobody was asking me to write
• 1:22:29
  with them. To be honest with you, I wasn't
• 1:22:31
  putting myself out there, but like, nobody was.
• 1:22:32
  Did you want to write? I did.
• 1:22:34
  I wanted to be included in things that nobody was asking.
• 1:22:36
  But. Bailey asked.
• 1:22:37
  Oh my God, that's crazy. You're so talented.
• 1:22:38
  Thank you, but I wasn't really putting myself out there.
• 1:22:41
  So like, no tea, no shade, no. Tea, no shade.
• 1:22:43
  But Bailey asked and I just was loving it felt like therapy for
• 1:22:48
  me because she's so edgy and awesome and I felt like I could
• 1:22:53
  go in and me being like the Texas Southern girl that I am.
• 1:22:56
  I like sometimes don't really say the thing that I'm really
• 1:22:59
  thinking. But with Bailey, she she would
• 1:23:03
  like let me channel this side of me.
• 1:23:04
  That was like a little bit spicier and I loved writing with
• 1:23:08
  her. Yeah, she's awesome.
• 1:23:09
  And. That project's so well done too.
• 1:23:11
  Like she's she also guys really like tackles a lot of sides too
• 1:23:14
  on. That yeah, she's awesome.
• 1:23:16
  Oh yeah, she's so great. She's a sweet girl.
• 1:23:18
  That's actually that was my next question.
• 1:23:19
  So that's really interesting that you said that like tackling
• 1:23:21
  like working on another project, writing for another person.
• 1:23:24
  And then when you're writing for yourself, like, do you feel like
• 1:23:27
  that spiciness? I feel like we got that
• 1:23:28
  spiciness still in Texas from Madonna, right?
• 1:23:31
  But obviously. Not to the degree of that.
• 1:23:32
  That was like, I started being able to do that in a room.
• 1:23:36
  So it's like, and I was like, oh, it's like fun to do this.
• 1:23:39
  Like your path is. So perfect and interesting, like
• 1:23:41
  everything developed like when you were talking about the
• 1:23:44
  situation, like, I mean, you know, if it worked out of your
• 1:23:46
  your ex, the bullet one, right, then we wouldn't have supernova
• 1:23:50
  right and I'd be devastated. Right.
• 1:23:52
  So everything is perfectly aligned, perfect to plan.
• 1:23:54
  Everything you're telling, I'm just yes, that's why this
• 1:23:56
  happened. Yes, yeah, It's nice to look
• 1:23:58
  back in hindsight. In the moment, you're like, why
• 1:24:00
  is this happening? Oh my God.
• 1:24:01
  Or am I doing something wrong? That's where I'm at right now,
• 1:24:03
  but like eventually up. All part of the plan.
• 1:24:06
  It's all part of the plan. Affirmations.
• 1:24:09
  It's all part of the plan. The way I look at your timeline
• 1:24:11
  is like everything that happened in your life and your career
• 1:24:14
  needed to happen so Supernova can.
• 1:24:16
  Happen. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:24:17
  All roads lead to Supernova 1,000,000.
• 1:24:20
  It's the perfect pop song. Oh my God, Oh my God, it's so
• 1:24:23
  good. I can't even do it.
• 1:24:25
  I don't even want to do it. It's so good.
• 1:24:27
  Oh my God, it's such an ear worm.
• 1:24:29
  What the fuck? Oh my God.
• 1:24:30
  I'm like, I'm like, so excited to keep talking to him.
• 1:24:33
  I'm like, I don't need to listen to the song now.
• 1:24:35
  That's so good. I'm that's so fun and like just
• 1:24:38
  everything works out really well.
• 1:24:40
  Are you? Do you want a songwrite for more
• 1:24:41
  people? Yeah, I'm not against it.
• 1:24:43
  I think they're very different modes for me.
• 1:24:45
  Me too. Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  It's just fun, though. Like I can detach.
• 1:24:49
  Like sometimes I get a little too.
• 1:24:51
  Like, who am I? What am I, you know?
• 1:24:53
  That's so fair. And so it's like when I write
• 1:24:55
  with other people, it's like, it's OK.
• 1:24:57
  So like it's like I, I feel like I see it from a different
• 1:25:00
  perspective and it's I. Have less pressure when I'm
• 1:25:02
  writing for other people because I'm just like, I'm so picky
• 1:25:04
  about what I want to say for me to have other people.
• 1:25:06
  I'm like, what do you want? Yeah, let's make it happen.
• 1:25:08
  It suddenly doesn't feel that deep anymore and there's like a
• 1:25:10
  detachment that is actually more freeing are.
• 1:25:12
  You a natural brunette? I am.
• 1:25:14
  Oh, so you dyed your hair blonde because I thought blonde was
• 1:25:15
  your debut? Yeah, got it.
• 1:25:17
  Yeah. No, that's the Texas enemy.
• 1:25:19
  Yeah, that's that's right. Yeah, I used to.
• 1:25:21
  I used to always dye my hair blonde, but I'm natural
• 1:25:23
  brunette. It's cheaper it.
• 1:25:25
  Is and it's a lot of maintenance too yes you know what's funny I
• 1:25:28
  actually been bleaching my hair for the past 10 years, but right
• 1:25:31
  now it's black well I'm wearing this for you by the.
• 1:25:33
  Way. I love it.
• 1:25:34
  I love it. It's perfect.
• 1:25:35
  All of this is for you. If I had this go to draw a star
• 1:25:38
  on myself, I would have. I didn't have that.
• 1:25:40
  Scale No. This is cute.
• 1:25:41
  Thank you These these are uneven.
• 1:25:43
  I was in a rush but either way, OK perfect.
• 1:25:47
  This is so fun. I'm so so Oh my God.
• 1:25:49
  Congratulations on the EP, but what is next?
• 1:25:52
  As a fan, I need to know what's coming up.
• 1:25:53
  What are we? What are we working on?
• 1:25:55
  Where can we expect TS one? Are we going to go on tour?
• 1:25:58
  What can you? Give me all of the above
• 1:26:00
  pending. So it's like, it's all coming,
• 1:26:04
  right? But in due time.
• 1:26:06
  So I Mama, need some time to cook on the songwriting side of
• 1:26:10
  things. I'm like getting really excited
• 1:26:12
  about things and like seeing you're doing sessions again.
• 1:26:14
  Yeah, I'm doing sessions again. And I'm like seeing little
• 1:26:16
  elements of like, I like this. It's like a bunch of pieces kind
• 1:26:19
  of wandering around and I'm figuring I'm like Mike.
• 1:26:23
  I love it. Stripping things away that
• 1:26:25
  aren't working. Me, that's, I literally say it
• 1:26:27
  all the time. My Frankenstein, my shit all the
• 1:26:30
  time. You know what I mean?
• 1:26:31
  I'm right there, Yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:26:33
  So yeah. So it just I'm all that's
• 1:26:35
  happening. I'm definitely going to be doing
• 1:26:37
  some touring, some shows. We're working on some dates for
• 1:26:39
  that, which I'm really excited about because all I want to do
• 1:26:42
  is just like I'm. Going to be so annoying.
• 1:26:44
  I'm going to go to your show, I'm going to be front row.
• 1:26:46
  I'm going to be screaming it back to you.
• 1:26:47
  You're going to this crazy person.
• 1:26:49
  I'm going to hold you to that. Oh no, Trust me.
• 1:26:51
  I'm going to be like, why aren't you screaming?
• 1:26:53
  Trust me, I'm I'm actually, everyone's going to be really
• 1:26:55
  annoyed everyone around. Me.
• 1:26:57
  No, I know. I don't.
• 1:26:58
  I know. I don't have to ask you.
• 1:26:59
  I know. I'm going to be doing it,
• 1:27:00
  absolutely. I could do it right now.
• 1:27:02
  Play Supernova. Someone play it.
• 1:27:03
  Queue it up. Damn good actress.
• 1:27:05
  Let's go. Oh my gosh.
• 1:27:07
  OK, so actually I was really thinking about it.
• 1:27:09
  I know we talked about it earlier with like the Texas
• 1:27:11
  Prima Donna and then Lone Starlet.
• 1:27:13
  Do you think TS One's album title is going to be another
• 1:27:17
  another character that you're going?
• 1:27:19
  To present to the girlfriend, I think it'll be some sort of
• 1:27:21
  character, but what that is I don't know yet.
• 1:27:24
  OK, because. You're writing right now.
• 1:27:25
  Yes, I'm writing right now. And I'm like, I have a lot of
• 1:27:28
  musings that I'm like excited about.
• 1:27:29
  I'm like piercing it together. But it's definitely pretty
• 1:27:32
  abstract. I'm like looking at it, I'm
• 1:27:33
  like, what is? This wait, what can we expect?
• 1:27:35
  Like with the last two EP, he's like, are they?
• 1:27:37
  Is it going to continue on to the album?
• 1:27:39
  Like what are we thinking? It'll be I'm I'm hoping it'll be
• 1:27:42
  some sort of narrative, but it's like what what that actually is
• 1:27:45
  and how it connects I'm unsure of yet, but it'll always, I
• 1:27:47
  think like all of my music will always have like some sort of
• 1:27:50
  character within it because I just feel comfortable writing in
• 1:27:52
  that space. Oh my God.
• 1:27:54
  But we'll. See, and then when you're on TS2
• 1:27:57
  and you're doing press for it, you're going to be like, this is
• 1:27:59
  me and I'm vulnerable and I'm not doing a character anymore
• 1:28:01
  and that's how you're going to market it.
• 1:28:04
  I love. That Oh my.
• 1:28:05
  God big picture you already telling a narrative with the 2
• 1:28:08
  EPS like literally that story of the Texas prima Donna coming to
• 1:28:12
  LA and now she's the lone starlet.
• 1:28:15
  Wait, so do you think it's going to continue like that narrative
• 1:28:18
  because you already built such a strong world in the cinematic
• 1:28:20
  universe of? It I definitely want it to like
• 1:28:22
  there will definitely be 3 lines because essentially like all I'm
• 1:28:24
  writing is like my truth on like a bigger scale, you know?
• 1:28:27
  Like romantic and romanticize. Yeah.
• 1:28:29
  So there are always it would be like a disservice to just
• 1:28:34
  completely disconnect because it is my truth.
• 1:28:36
  It's just a matter of like what aspect of it I will do.
• 1:28:39
  It's a part of the process, like when you're talking about
• 1:28:41
  building the Lone Starlet and you're like, OK, well, I have
• 1:28:43
  these songs, how we're connecting them.
• 1:28:45
  And how we're making it happen. And it's just like always.
• 1:28:48
  I feel like the the journey of how the things come together
• 1:28:52
  changes with these last two projects at least, so I can
• 1:28:55
  imagine it'll be just like a whole different journey this.
• 1:28:57
  Time so exciting, especially doing over record label now too.
• 1:28:59
  Yeah, yeah, it's fun. There's more things at play.
• 1:29:02
  There's more like freedom, more more, you know, opinions like
• 1:29:06
  more perspective, which is. Really fun, more feedback, more
• 1:29:09
  people being involved too. Like it's honestly nice to be
• 1:29:11
  able to make something and be like, OK, here's what we're
• 1:29:13
  doing and what should we do? Where should we go with?
• 1:29:15
  This. Yeah, what do you?
• 1:29:16
  Think about like the genres for the album.
• 1:29:19
  I'm I will say like, while I don't know specifically what the
• 1:29:21
  album will sound like, I definitely am feeling more
• 1:29:25
  excited by like fun music. Like I really want to make
• 1:29:31
  Supernova. Yeah.
• 1:29:32
  Like I I really want it to be like pop up the who's to say?
• 1:29:35
  I mean, maybe the album comes out.
• 1:29:36
  It's like all like, not that, but we're going to love it
• 1:29:38
  either way. Yeah, I just am.
• 1:29:39
  I'm really. That's where you're at right
• 1:29:40
  now. Yeah.
• 1:29:41
  Yeah. I'm just like, I'm really
• 1:29:42
  excited about having fun. Like I feel like I'm in a very
• 1:29:45
  extroverted time in my life. Like I'm totally going out
• 1:29:48
  hanging with friends. I'm dancing.
• 1:29:49
  You're doing it, getting all dressed up.
• 1:29:51
  So it's like, I can imagine the music will have some of that,
• 1:29:54
  like, fun. Yeah, influence in it.
• 1:29:56
  I'm so fucking excited that wait, Oh my God, I'm so guys,
• 1:30:01
  OK, but you're writing it right now.
• 1:30:02
  You're working on it right now. Yes, so.
• 1:30:03
  Well, do you think like are you imagining that you want to like
• 1:30:06
  release it? I know you just released it up,
• 1:30:07
  but like do you think it's going to be a quick roll out next or
• 1:30:09
  are we going to still live in the lone?
• 1:30:11
  Starlet I think we'll live in the lone Starlet for a little
• 1:30:12
  bit because I I definitely want to like give myself the space
• 1:30:15
  and time to like build something out.
• 1:30:17
  All that to say though, like if a song, song, if I may write a
• 1:30:20
  song and I'm like, I need this out now, like.
• 1:30:22
  Right. And sometimes it really be.
• 1:30:24
  Like that, it really be like that.
• 1:30:25
  Yeah, absolutely. And I think giving the Lone
• 1:30:27
  Starlet her opportunity to really shine too, because like
• 1:30:30
  you have all the music videos out for it now and then.
• 1:30:32
  What do you think about like expanding that cinematic
• 1:30:34
  universe? Have you thought about like a
• 1:30:35
  deluxe for the EP? Or I honestly, it hasn't crossed
• 1:30:38
  my mind. I mean, there's definitely songs
• 1:30:40
  that didn't make it that didn't make it that are in the world of
• 1:30:43
  it all. So it would be.
• 1:30:44
  But it's it's kind of I think it's like, do those belong on
• 1:30:46
  the next project or they belong in this world?
• 1:30:48
  It's like. I want to hear them so bad.
• 1:30:49
  But yes, I'm. Sure, I'm sure a lot of them
• 1:30:53
  will see the lead day in the same way.
• 1:30:54
  That casualty, it just was in the era.
• 1:30:57
  Yeah. So it's like.
• 1:30:57
  That's nice to know that you were placing it, especially
• 1:30:59
  because it didn't end up on the Texas Free Madonna, but you knew
• 1:31:02
  it was going to go somewhere and it found its home.
• 1:31:04
  Yeah, and I, I, I think it's important to like, let songs
• 1:31:09
  like live out in the world. So me too.
• 1:31:11
  I will hold them back. Good.
• 1:31:13
  Please don't. For me, at the very least.
• 1:31:15
  I got you OK. Thank you.
• 1:31:16
  Yay. Well, we're so excited for
• 1:31:18
  what's next and everything. And when you do your show in LA,
• 1:31:19
  literally, I'm going to be there.
• 1:31:20
  I'm going to buy a ticket, front row, all of it.
• 1:31:22
  I'm going to be screaming back at you.
• 1:31:24
  It's going to be really annoying.
• 1:31:25
  Like, I can't wait. You have to make eye contact.
• 1:31:27
  Yes, I'll be like scream louder. OK, period.
• 1:31:29
  And I'm going to dress up as the EP cover.
• 1:31:32
  Perfect. Oh my God we should have that
• 1:31:33
  theme. I would love.
• 1:31:34
  Your best Your best old Hollywood attire.
• 1:31:37
  We had people for the for the theater events.
• 1:31:39
  People showed up and it was awesome.
• 1:31:40
  Like people legit showed up in like beautiful prom gowns and
• 1:31:43
  like everything. I was like genuinely impressed.
• 1:31:45
  Oh my gosh, I'm so jealous. I was also so jealous.
• 1:31:47
  Like watching, like seeing all the photos of the fans meeting
• 1:31:49
  you and everything. I was like, damn, I know.
• 1:31:52
  I knew in my head I was like, you're probably going to come on
• 1:31:55
  the show. I was like, but either way, I
• 1:31:57
  was like, I don't know how it reacted like if I like just
• 1:32:00
  walked up to you because I didn't even you said you were
• 1:32:02
  aware of me or whatever. That's so crazy.
• 1:32:05
  Oh my God, Gaggy, this. Is great because we get to like,
• 1:32:07
  sit and actually have a combo with each other.
• 1:32:09
  This is so nice and really loved diving into the music and
• 1:32:11
  getting into everything with the EP because like it is my
• 1:32:13
  favorite project released this year.
• 1:32:15
  You're my favorite new artist. Like it's, it's really cool.
• 1:32:18
  Like my two of my best friends are here and they obviously know
• 1:32:21
  because I talk all the time and I'm so excited and I've been
• 1:32:24
  playing your music videos and everything.
• 1:32:25
  So like, this is really cool and such a treat for me.
• 1:32:28
  Well, it's a treat for me. I really, I mean, I told you
• 1:32:30
  this at the beginning, but it's like, it's so wonderful.
• 1:32:33
  Like I write these songs in such a solitude.
• 1:32:35
  I mean, with other people, right?
• 1:32:36
  But like to put it out in the world and to see you care in
• 1:32:40
  such a beautiful ways. Really careful.
• 1:32:41
  And I can tell like, by the questions you ask, like I've
• 1:32:43
  never been able to like dive into each of these songs.
• 1:32:46
  And I really appreciate you taking the time.
• 1:32:48
  Wait. You're so nice for saying all
• 1:32:49
  that. That is so because this is about
• 1:32:51
  you. Like wait.
• 1:32:53
  You're sweet. Thank you.
• 1:32:55
  I just, I really cared about the songs I heard about the CP, the
• 1:32:58
  project, the art behind it, the lyrics, like everything.
• 1:33:00
  Like I was saying like even like, like we talked about
• 1:33:03
  supernova and I'm so annoying because I keep going back.
• 1:33:05
  But like, just like describing the situation in the mundane of
• 1:33:09
  it, like the static on the TV and you're sitting on this like
• 1:33:11
  all of this. And it's like these giving,
• 1:33:14
  giving me the backs for that song changed everything for me
• 1:33:16
  to like, Oh my gosh, it's that moment really is that moment.
• 1:33:19
  Like I think I'm in love and it scares me.
• 1:33:22
  Like all of that. Oh my gosh.
• 1:33:23
  What does it mean that you're a supernova?
• 1:33:26
  Is it because to me, I'm interpreting it where it's like
• 1:33:29
  I'm, I'm a huge star. Are, are we going to be able to
• 1:33:31
  handle this or can you be able to handle this?
• 1:33:32
  Would you be able to love me? Do you say it in the song?
• 1:33:35
  Like, do you? Is it?
• 1:33:36
  Are you just here 'cause it's easy right now, but it's not
• 1:33:38
  always going to be easy? Because.
• 1:33:39
  You're a supernova. I always like have had the same
• 1:33:43
  like I know what I want for my life.
• 1:33:44
  I know what I'm aiming for in my career.
• 1:33:46
  Yeah, and I know that in this career, I write about the most
• 1:33:51
  intimate things in my life, and that tends to be the people
• 1:33:54
  around me and my most close and personal relationships, right.
• 1:33:57
  And so it was really this reflection of before we had said
• 1:34:00
  I love you. Like, are you going to be OK
• 1:34:03
  with me writing songs about you? Like it will be that.
• 1:34:05
  So it was like I plan for my life to unfold in this way.
• 1:34:10
  Are you down to This is so crazy.
• 1:34:12
  We're actually seeing it in real time too, as these songs come
• 1:34:14
  out, you know, and like the meta of it because it's like this,
• 1:34:18
  this song that's like basically like, are you cool with this?
• 1:34:20
  Talking to me writing about you, which this is a song that I
• 1:34:23
  wrote about. You.
• 1:34:23
  Yeah. And he's down.
• 1:34:25
  He's down. I mean he was in the music
• 1:34:26
  video. Of course.
• 1:34:27
  Oh my gosh. Great performance.
• 1:34:28
  Oh my God, in the dancing you were giving.
• 1:34:31
  Oh my. Rehearsed a lot, so.
• 1:34:32
  You were giving you're giving everything like what the girls
• 1:34:35
  in the gays want. Like thank you.
• 1:34:36
  And then a damn good actress. Just like, that's such an
• 1:34:39
  incredible piece. You said it was the last song
• 1:34:40
  that you did for this project. But like, it really ties
• 1:34:43
  everything together. Like do you feel like now you're
• 1:34:45
  really laying the walls down you you're still playing a
• 1:34:48
  character, it's more dramaticized version of
• 1:34:49
  yourself, but with a song like Damn good Actress where you're
• 1:34:52
  like also meta about acknowledging that.
• 1:34:54
  And like now I'm saying, OK, here's this other side of me and
• 1:34:56
  I'm really opening up now. Yeah, I, I think it's like I
• 1:35:01
  before I could move forward in my career where I plan to play
• 1:35:04
  characters for the rest of my life, like it's what I've
• 1:35:06
  chosen. You're locking in on.
• 1:35:07
  That I really want that. I think it's fun, but it, I
• 1:35:10
  wanted to make sure people knew I was playing a character.
• 1:35:15
  So that was like, yeah, I wanted to be like, I am letting you
• 1:35:19
  know, but I just, I needed it to be like, hey, I'm aware that I'm
• 1:35:23
  playing a character, but like, let's play for fun's sake, like.
• 1:35:26
  Yeah, let's dive into. It you.
• 1:35:28
  Know the visuals help a lot with that too genuinely like it's
• 1:35:31
  also like little movies, which yes, I'm sure is very
• 1:35:33
  intentional like bullet like these these productions and
• 1:35:37
  everything it's like this is the Tsu Tiffany Stringer sinematic
• 1:35:41
  universe. Oh my gosh we're except for
• 1:35:43
  everything that's coming next and this has been so much fun.
• 1:35:45
  One of the first Dulu takes a hat on the show a year ago was I
• 1:35:48
  said I didn't believe dinosaurs are real and it was well
• 1:35:51
  received. It was well received, OK?
• 1:35:52
  Not by you, not by not by the studio audience right now, guys,
• 1:35:56
  a year ago was well received, OK?
• 1:35:58
  People were on my side. By who?
• 1:36:00
  The general public was on my side but recently someone posted
• 1:36:04
  a TikTok on Twitter or something and they were like I don't
• 1:36:06
  believe in dinosaurs and it got like 80 K likes and the the
• 1:36:09
  tweet was like what stupid bitch doesn't believe in dinosaurs and
• 1:36:13
  it was like everyone's dog piling on them I was like.
• 1:36:15
  To be fair, like I. Was like, let's take down that
• 1:36:17
  episode. Let's.
• 1:36:18
  Take down that episode. No, I love.
• 1:36:19
  I love when someone speaks their truth.
• 1:36:21
  Well, I've just never seen a dinosaur, right Right, now that
• 1:36:25
  you think about it. Right.
• 1:36:26
  When, when's the last? When's the last dinosaur you've
• 1:36:28
  seen? Yeah.
• 1:36:31
  Like I've never seen a there's a lot of things I haven't seen.
• 1:36:34
  I've never seen a piranha. Oh, OK, that's a good fallacy.
• 1:36:38
  That's I was like, well, obviously the real though.
• 1:36:40
  Yeah, OK. But my my counter argument, you
• 1:36:42
  can go find a piranha right now. Like go to PetSmart, you know?
• 1:36:46
  But I don't know, I think dinosaurs are real.
• 1:36:48
  Okay, that's my. Maybe that's to.
• 1:36:50
  You. That's a delulu take for me, but
• 1:36:52
  I'm gonna. Stand on like we were on the
• 1:36:53
  same wave. Lift entire shop.
• 1:36:55
  Right. Okay, no, now you know what?
• 1:36:56
  You convince me dinosaurs are real, right?
• 1:36:58
  Tiffany Stringer says. So then I agree and then I agree
• 1:37:01
  whoever made Supernova tell all your Co writers whatever they
• 1:37:05
  believe, I believe to. I love.
• 1:37:08
  That and honestly, I really, I'm actually a little disappointed
• 1:37:11
  I'm glazing supernova so much because I actually I think I
• 1:37:13
  like damn good actress more. Wow.
• 1:37:15
  It's OK, but like I don't know, just supernova is just like
• 1:37:18
  that's. You've been, yeah, You've been
• 1:37:19
  doubling down on the supernova. Well, you've been listening to
• 1:37:21
  supernova more. It's on your top.
• 1:37:23
  Repeat. Because I think it's newer, you
• 1:37:25
  know what I mean? It came out with the you're.
• 1:37:26
  The honeymoon phase. 100% but and I damn good actress because
• 1:37:30
  we used the chorus as a reference for one of my songs
• 1:37:33
  like it's been so it's so good. What if that melody is so good?
• 1:37:39
  Oh my gosh, bitch, it's so good. Oh my God, just so talented.
• 1:37:45
  Oh, OK, hey, everyone. So again, like feel bad because
• 1:37:49
  this genuinely was this episode was for me, but I think
• 1:37:51
  everyone's going to really love it.
• 1:37:52
  You know what I find surprising? When I like, I think when people
• 1:37:55
  watch and they can tell I'm super into a guest and I'm into
• 1:37:57
  all my guests. Of course it's a better episode
• 1:38:01
  you. Know I can't wait to watch so.
• 1:38:03
  Me too. Oh my gosh.
• 1:38:05
  Because this was this was so fun.
• 1:38:06
  OK, Tiffany, we close out every show by manifesting together.
• 1:38:11
  Is there anything you want to speak into existence here on
• 1:38:14
  Delulu? The universe is listening.
• 1:38:16
  You are already a star. But Delulu's known to make
• 1:38:18
  stars. We have so much, so many Delulu
• 1:38:20
  alum who've gone on to be so massive.
• 1:38:22
  I'm like, I'm like, Oh my gosh, here we go.
• 1:38:24
  OK, what do we think? Do I need to say it in like
• 1:38:26
  present tense? Like how do?
• 1:38:27
  What is the format? So my format is you say it as if
• 1:38:30
  it already happened. Or if you want, you could just
• 1:38:32
  be like, I'm speaking this into existence and here it is.
• 1:38:34
  But I like to say things like I always say I'm the biggest pop
• 1:38:36
  star in the world, period. Yeah.
• 1:38:37
  I mean, why not? Sure, but I still want that.
• 1:38:40
  Yeah, well, OK, there's like one thing that is like a new thing
• 1:38:44
  of mine that I never really cared about, but now I'm
• 1:38:45
  starting to care about. It OK clock.
• 1:38:49
  She's laughing at me. Oh my God.
• 1:38:50
  I'm so excited. Does she know it?
• 1:38:53
  No. Maybe.
• 1:38:53
  She probably will, but I OK, I'm going to say yes.
• 1:39:00
  Wait, do I say my name? I'm nervous.
• 1:39:01
  No, they're just saying no. Don't overthink it.
• 1:39:03
  Just like speak in existence. Well, my song is #1 on the
• 1:39:06
  Billboard Hot 1. Which one it is?
• 1:39:09
  It's Bullet. Yeah, and Supernova.
• 1:39:12
  Well, they're fighting for the 1st place.
• 1:39:14
  They just like keep knocking the other one out.
• 1:39:16
  Battle with yourself right now. Oh, here comes damn good
• 1:39:18
  actress. It's also entering.
• 1:39:20
  The Oh my God Top Crave Tiffany Stringer occupies the top 4 on
• 1:39:24
  the Billboard Hot 100. Battling herself for the top
• 1:39:27
  one. Supernova.
• 1:39:29
  Damn good act the encore, right? Throwing couch, right?
• 1:39:33
  Yeah. Pocket the fighting.
• 1:39:34
  You know what's? On Let's Make Track 6, they.
• 1:39:37
  Try. Yes.
• 1:39:40
  Introducing the Lone starlet #1 on the.
• 1:39:42
  Billboard. There it is.
• 1:39:44
  That's that's how. It works.
• 1:39:45
  It's the first song on the project.
• 1:39:47
  That's the one that people stream.
• 1:39:48
  It's like perfectly in the track list order.
• 1:39:50
  Imagine, Oh my God, OK, that's Tulu.
• 1:39:53
  That's T Lulu T bullet is actually going to do it because
• 1:39:56
  it's giving like the the country and the pop of it like it's so.
• 1:40:00
  Popular right now too, But you also trailblaze that, by the
• 1:40:02
  way, because like you've been doing that, it's so ingrained in
• 1:40:05
  your in your music and your lore and your persona and your brand
• 1:40:08
  and your character. Yes, quick question for you.
• 1:40:13
  We're rapping. But quick question, do you feel
• 1:40:14
  like Hollywood is going to ruin the Lone Starlet?
• 1:40:16
  How do we how do we think she's going to fare out in LA?
• 1:40:19
  Great. Question.
• 1:40:21
  How is she faring? I think that the struggles that
• 1:40:27
  she faces brings her the next story, so inevitably she will
• 1:40:31
  take anything that comes her way and alchemize it into even
• 1:40:35
  better things. That's so good.
• 1:40:37
  I think she will face life head on and become even more of a
• 1:40:41
  diva. Because of it.
• 1:40:43
  Wait is is the Texas prima Donna and the Lone Star like 2
• 1:40:46
  separate people or the? Same person, same person.
• 1:40:48
  Just evolving. Yeah.
• 1:40:49
  OK, Final question, Tiffany Stringer, you are the biggest
• 1:40:54
  star in the world tonight. How do you feel?
• 1:40:57
  I feel amazing, I'm very happy and I am feeling delulu.
• 1:41:01
  So I love it. Oh my God, I love it.
• 1:41:03
  I love it, I love it. This is so incredible.
• 1:41:05
  Thank you for that is actually happening.
• 1:41:07
  People don't want to claim that, they want chart success.
• 1:41:09
  I, yeah, I, I do. I didn't, I actually never
• 1:41:11
  really thought about it. And I'm like, no, that would be
• 1:41:13
  fun. You're on a major.
• 1:41:14
  It's happening. Yeah.
• 1:41:15
  Like you could do it. Like you're good.
• 1:41:17
  Yes. And I need that too, because
• 1:41:19
  then the album come quicker, right?
• 1:41:21
  Because then they're going to rush that shit, right?
• 1:41:22
  Then you'll be like, oh boy, They're like, open the archive,
• 1:41:26
  yeah. Like I, I'm curious what it
• 1:41:27
  would be like if I I did that. I'm like, OK, let's.
• 1:41:29
  See, open the vault. Let's go open the vault.
• 1:41:31
  Wait, what's your favorite off the EP?
• 1:41:33
  Oh, it changes. OK, right now what?
• 1:41:35
  Do you think right now supernova?
• 1:41:38
  OK, I was going to say imagine she said.
• 1:41:39
  Anything else? Yeah, and now it's supernova.
• 1:41:41
  So good. Oh my gosh, I mean like that.
• 1:41:43
  Like it has different pres and like it's just such a well
• 1:41:45
  written song. Thank you.
• 1:41:47
  Such a well written song and the textures and the vocal stacking.
• 1:41:51
  Thank you. I can't imagine the stems on
• 1:41:54
  that song. Sorry that was crazy.
• 1:41:55
  Just because my my publicist said I'm banned from singing
• 1:41:58
  stems on the can't say stems can't say stems my album and
• 1:42:03
  mix. Cancelled.
• 1:42:05
  And from delulu from my side. But he did say that the guest is
• 1:42:09
  welcome to say whatever they want, so.
• 1:42:10
  Stems mix this album your album. Tiffany Stringer one.
• 1:42:16
  I'm so excited. This has been so incredible.
• 1:42:20
  I'm like, I'm like actually delaying it because I want to
• 1:42:22
  keep going. But no, we can't.
• 1:42:24
  We can't indulge like this because you're just going to
• 1:42:26
  come back. Yes, I'm going to come.
• 1:42:27
  Back, we're going to come back. I can't wait.
• 1:42:29
  Perfect. We're going to come back.
• 1:42:30
  We're going to Kiki. But this was so much fun.
• 1:42:32
  This was literally for me. I think everyone's going to love
• 1:42:34
  it. Everyone please listen to the
• 1:42:35
  Lone Starlet EP and we're so excited for everything that's
• 1:42:38
  coming next. Thank you.
• 1:42:39
  Thank you so much for being here and besties.
• 1:42:42
  Thank you so much for listening. This was your healthy dose of
• 1:42:44
  delulu. So now you can go live your true
• 1:42:46
  Lulu Tiffany Stringer. Where can the besties find you?
• 1:42:51
  You can find me on Instagram at Tiffany Stringer Classic on
• 1:42:54
  TikTok as the Texas or Texas prima Donna.
• 1:42:58
  Classic. And pretty much everywhere else,
• 1:42:59
  it's Tiffany Stringer and on Spotify, Tiffany Stringer.
• 1:43:02
  Tiffany Stringer and guys, we're going to dive into this
• 1:43:04
  discography and this project. It's so good.
• 1:43:07
  And literally there's a song for everyone.
• 1:43:08
  Like kind of by design. Like really, really, really
• 1:43:11
  everyone listen to Supernova. If like you got one thing out of
• 1:43:14
  this episode is that we are all streaming Supernova and watching
• 1:43:16
  the music video because you were dancing down dancing down on the
• 1:43:20
  glam in the video and the. I won't say no to that.
• 1:43:22
  Thank you for streaming. Please stream please stream and
• 1:43:24
  we're looking forward to everything that's coming next
• 1:43:26
  and besties. If you love this episode, please
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• 1:43:43
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• 1:44:04
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• 1:44:05
  Thank you. Bye, guys.