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Credlin | 14 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. More pressure on the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 2: Chris Bow and his quantious announces flight cuts and higher airfares.
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Speaker 2: A fuel starts to bite, but they won't worry the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. He's got his jet out and he's off
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Speaker 2: again overseas as he lectures us telling us we've got
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Speaker 2: to save fuel, spending billions to do it. Tonight the
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Speaker 2: first of my three special packages out of the New
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Speaker 2: South Wales country area of Farah, the by election in
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Speaker 2: four weeks time. We'll kick it off with a little
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Speaker 2: later with a terrific group of go get a farmer's
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Speaker 2: who just want the government out of their lives. And
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Speaker 2: they've got some pretty frank advice for canber too, plas
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Speaker 2: Harry and Meghan. The Ginger and the winter touchdown in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now we're told this is a private visit, but they're
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Speaker 2: making plenty of commercial coin out of it. So why
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Speaker 2: are Australian taxpayers on the hook for police seeing these
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Speaker 2: non working royals. More on that shortly, and the Opposition
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Speaker 2: leader today laying out his plans the first trunch of
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Speaker 2: his immigration policy. For too long, Labor and Liberal have
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Speaker 2: been on a unity ticket. The Big Australia is not working.
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Speaker 2: It's lost popular support. I'll speak to Angus Taylor a.
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Speaker 3: Little later on the privilege of being Australian means you've
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Speaker 3: got to adopt our VENs.
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Speaker 4: That's all we haven't done.
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Speaker 2: We'll start with that issue because Ala lujah, the coalition's
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Speaker 2: immigration announcement today is an important step towards reclaiming the
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Speaker 2: conservative base that loves our country and wants governments to
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Speaker 2: put Australia first. It was also Angus Taylor's first big
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Speaker 2: step towards remaking the Liberal Party as a party of policy,
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Speaker 2: courage and conviction. Now he's been saying from the beginning,
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Speaker 2: from the day he won the leadership, that his aim
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Speaker 2: was to restore our collective standard of living and protect
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Speaker 2: the Australian way of life, and that the problem with
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Speaker 2: immigration is the numbers are too high and the quality
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Speaker 2: is too low.
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Speaker 3: Immigration numbers are too high, and consequently Australians can see
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Speaker 3: the country they love changing for the worse. There's those
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Speaker 3: of noble and patriotic intent someone who wants to become Australian.
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Speaker 3: And then there is the migrant of subversive intent, someone
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Speaker 3: who rejects our way of life.
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Speaker 2: As day was a start to put policy flesh on
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Speaker 2: the bones, he rightly argued that the government's record numbers
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Speaker 2: one point four million in overseas migration coming here in
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Speaker 2: just three and a half years is the equivalent of
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Speaker 2: a new city bigger than Adelaide.
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Speaker 3: Labour's also opened up the migration floodgates, putting extreme pressure
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Speaker 3: on housing, on infrastructure and on services.
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Speaker 2: And he took them to task for filing to insist
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Speaker 2: on new arrivals having a commitment to Australian values. How,
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Speaker 2: for instance, can any government justify the issue of three
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Speaker 2: thousand tourist visas to people scarcely vetted out of Gaza,
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Speaker 2: a terrorist controlled war zone.
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Speaker 3: Those who migrate from liberal democracies have a greater likelihood
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Speaker 3: of subscribing to Australian values compared to those coming from
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Speaker 3: other places ruled by fundamentalists, extremists and dictators. And in
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Speaker 3: that vein the Gazan cohort of seventeen hundred people here
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Speaker 3: on visas presents a high risk to our nation.
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Speaker 2: Now Taylor's making the fundamental point that migrants should be
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Speaker 2: coming here to join us, not change us.
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Speaker 3: Not everyone wanting to migrate to Australia will be a
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Speaker 3: net benefit to Australia.
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Speaker 4: Indeed some will be a net train.
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Speaker 3: Not everyone who wanting to migrate to Australia will integrate
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Speaker 3: with the rest of our great country.
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Speaker 2: Now, what that means in practice is that things like
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Speaker 2: adherence to Sharia law are unacceptable so to any of
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Speaker 2: you that demands female subservience. That's why there needs to
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Speaker 2: be a much stronger and more explicit commitment to Australian values.
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Speaker 2: Are readiness to de poor people who outstay their welcome,
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Speaker 2: the ending of taxpayer support for would be migrants who
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Speaker 2: use the courts to stay here when they should go,
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Speaker 2: and restricting taxpayer funded benefits to Australian citizens only. Something
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Speaker 2: on this point something that Taylor today hit hard.
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Speaker 4: I'm appalled by revelations in recent weeks that nearly fifty
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Speaker 4: thousand non citizens have used Labour's First Home by five
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Speaker 4: percent deposit scheme. Labour opened this scheme to permanent residence
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, but such a loan scheme financed
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Speaker 4: by the Australian taxpayer should be reserved for Australian citizens.
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Speaker 4: The Coalition will close off this scheme to anyone but
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Speaker 4: Australian citizens.
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Speaker 2: Now. What still needs to come in the second part
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Speaker 2: of the immigration policy that I'm told will be really
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Speaker 2: shortly is the clear statement on the numbers the Coalition
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Speaker 2: will support. Right now, Labours letting in well over three
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand people a year and you'd have to go
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Speaker 2: back four Prime ministers to Tony Abbott to fine a
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Speaker 2: time when it overseas migration dip below two hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: a year. As far as I'm concerned, that's where Taylor
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Speaker 2: needs to take it back to as well. He's also
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Speaker 2: got to tackle the problem of workshire Australians given that
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Speaker 2: shocking report out yesterday that one in five young people
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Speaker 2: and our classed is permanently unable to work. Now that
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Speaker 2: cannot be the new normal in this country because that
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Speaker 2: just means tax payers you have to carry them. These
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Speaker 2: are young people. It means you have to carry them
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Speaker 2: for their entire lives. And as for the young people,
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Speaker 2: if we just accept this that we're basically giving up
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Speaker 2: on them, conciding them to a life on fair and
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Speaker 2: no real way to play a productive role or to
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Speaker 2: have purpose in our country. And we all need to
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Speaker 2: get up every day, don't we and live a life
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Speaker 2: of purpose. Over the weekend, as I said last night,
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Speaker 2: I drove from Melbourne to the New South Wales federal
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Speaker 2: seat of Farrhere in just four weeks time, two weeks actually,
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Speaker 2: it'll start pre poll voters will decide who will replace
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Speaker 2: former Liberal leader Susan Lee as their federal MP, while
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Speaker 2: the biggest vote block in the seat is the regional
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Speaker 2: city of Albury. I also managed to get across from
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Speaker 2: Bruger towards the Murray to Blindie to Finley. I went
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Speaker 2: to the footy in Dewildry and stayed in token Wall.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: I think I have to say I had the best
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Speaker 2: lamb chops of my life a restaurant's called The Bend
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Speaker 2: on Friday night. Over the next three nights, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to take you around and show you the seat. We're
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Speaker 2: going to talk about all the issues at play and
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Speaker 2: the communities that make up this very special part of Australia,
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Speaker 2: as well as the candidates, well almost all of them.
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Speaker 2: I mean I caught up with a Liberal. I caught
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Speaker 2: up with a NAT and also the One Nation candidate.
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Speaker 2: All of them want to speak to you via Sky News,
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Speaker 2: but not so the Teal. Now, my producer called her
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Speaker 2: campaign team over and over again, but perhaps frightened of
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Speaker 2: me exposing her links to Climbate two hundred, Michelle mill Thorpe,
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Speaker 2: Well she ran for cover. Now, what's interesting here in
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Speaker 2: Farrerh is that Labor is not running a candidate. But
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Speaker 2: if Labour thinks that that means they're not on trial,
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Speaker 2: think again. The overwhelming sense I had in three days
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Speaker 2: across the electorate is that people think the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albuneasy is just not up to it.
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Speaker 5: Get off your bloody bomb and over go.
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Speaker 6: Really, yes, really, I don't think he's there for the
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Speaker 6: country people.
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Speaker 5: He's only there for the votes that he gets in
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Speaker 5: the city.
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Speaker 2: I think he's becoming very pathetic, to be quite. What's
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Speaker 2: disappointed you.
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Speaker 7: I suppose he's lack of leadership or lack of just
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Speaker 7: saying definitely whatever, even if I disagreed, if it was definite,
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Speaker 7: you know, he's just wishy washy. I think he's cunning
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Speaker 7: and our politician, but I don't think he's clever, and
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Speaker 7: I think he's lazy. I don't think he's over his brief.
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Speaker 2: Give me a scorecard on the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: The best thing he's done all month is to stay quiet.
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Speaker 8: So look, I think he's trying, but I think we
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Speaker 8: need some better people in that role.
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Speaker 2: How shrewd are those people in their politics? Farah? As
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Speaker 2: you get around and you talk to people, it is
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Speaker 2: our heartland. It's a lot like the Malley where I
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Speaker 2: grew up. There's a real sense of community that I
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Speaker 2: hope never leaves us. But people say good day in
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Speaker 2: the street and they pull together when they need to.
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Speaker 2: What also struck me as I drove around was just
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Speaker 2: how many homes were proudly flying the Australian flag out
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Speaker 2: the front and one bloody flag, I might add, and
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Speaker 2: the homes too. The lawns were mode, the towns were tidy.
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Speaker 2: They are a real pleasure to drive through. Farah is
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Speaker 2: part of the food ball of the nation, and by
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Speaker 2: far the biggest issue raised with me was water, not
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Speaker 2: enough of it, and the green activist water policy forced
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Speaker 2: on them by labor governments. Now, how can we feed
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Speaker 2: ourselves and the world without water for our farmers? But
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Speaker 2: I say labor now because Labour's hitting them hard, but
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Speaker 2: all sides of politics share a bit of blame here.
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Speaker 2: It all started with Malcolm Turnbull when he was water
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Speaker 2: Minister under John Howard, and since then successive governments well
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Speaker 2: they have diverted from productive farmlands water for the environment,
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Speaker 2: so that Lake Alexandrina in South Australia can be fresh
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Speaker 2: water rather than brackish as nature intended. Tonight we're going
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Speaker 2: to hear first from a great group of farmers who
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Speaker 2: don't want much. They just want a fair go. They'
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Speaker 2: wout governor out of their lives and they just want
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Speaker 2: to get on and do what they do best. Then
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Speaker 2: over the rest of the week we're gonna hear from
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Speaker 2: Razor Bokowski, the lawyer and local counselor who's running for
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Speaker 2: the Libs. Will also talk to Brad Robertson, the former
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Speaker 2: army commander who's representing the Nats, and also One Nation's
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Speaker 2: David Farley, who's currently the pole leader. May miss out
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Speaker 2: on preferences, As I said, Milthorpe too busy to talk
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Speaker 2: to the sky audience. Even there, we are free to
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Speaker 2: wear across most of the electorate. And while Milthorpe claims
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Speaker 2: to be independent. The vast majority of her money comes
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Speaker 2: from Climate two hundred. Indeed, right now Climbate two hundreds
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Speaker 2: desperately chasing donors to pull in a couple of million
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Speaker 2: for Milthorpe. In coming days, Milthorpe will be joined on
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Speaker 2: the campaign trail by Senator for the Act David Pocock.
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Speaker 2: He's the green left activist from Canberra. On water, Milthorpe
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Speaker 2: says she wants a Royal commission that is simply taking
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Speaker 2: cover for more water from farmers and more water for
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Speaker 2: the environment. The other big issue out there too is
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Speaker 2: the Uberry Hospital. It's the main treatment center for patients
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Speaker 2: with serious conditions for much of southern New South Wales
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Speaker 2: and northern Victoria, but the cash strapped Victorian government says
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Speaker 2: it can't won't make any contribution to a hospital in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales and the Commonwealth and New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: or they say they can't act without Victoria. We'll see
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Speaker 2: where that lands. But to me, a new hospital is
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Speaker 2: a no brainer. Now. I hope you're going to really
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Speaker 2: enjoy meeting these terrific locals over the next few days
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Speaker 2: as I did meeting them on the weekend in their
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Speaker 2: farms and in their country towns that are still to me,
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Speaker 2: these towns the lifeblood of Australia. All right, let's go
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Speaker 2: now to Julia Bradley for the headlines.
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Speaker 9: Opposition leader Angusal has warned Australia must take a hardline
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Speaker 9: stance against migrants to seek to erode Australia's national values
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Speaker 9: as part of a pitch to win back disaffective Coalition voters.
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Speaker 3: Not everyone wanting to migrate to Australia will be a
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Speaker 3: net benefit to Australia.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, some will be a net train.
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Speaker 9: With former Prime Minister and Liberal leader John Howard in
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Speaker 9: the room, Angus Taylor delivered his first major policy speech,
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Speaker 9: vowing to make the current Australian Value Statement signed by
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Speaker 9: migrants binding. It includes support for freedom of religion, a
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Speaker 9: fair go and English as the national language.
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Speaker 3: If visa holder undermines our democratic values, they will be
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Speaker 3: booted out of Australia.
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Speaker 9: Under Angus Taylor's proposal, deportations would be fast tracked, people
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Speaker 9: with unfounded protection claims would be weeded out, social media
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Speaker 9: screening would be mandatory, and taxpayer housing schemes would be
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Speaker 9: reserved only for citizens. Immigration Minister Toean Burker's criticized the
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Speaker 9: coalition's policy, suggesting not one line in the speech would
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Speaker 9: deliver an extra job, create an extra house, or keep
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Speaker 9: anyone safer the government who has been bringing the numbers
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Speaker 9: down and bringing the standards up. Mister Taylor's diet tribe
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Speaker 9: has nothing to do with the national interest and is
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Speaker 9: entirely about sending a vibe to one nation.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in our federal political editors, Guy News,
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Speaker 2: Andrew Clenell, Andrew. I'll get to that in a moment,
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Speaker 2: but I just have to say. I mean, I spent
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Speaker 2: a lot of time in Farah in my twenties, and
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Speaker 2: you know, on and off in politics as I've gone
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Speaker 2: through since then. But to be there up on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: I tell you it's one hell of a race up
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Speaker 2: there live nat one Nation. And of course, this teal
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Speaker 2: who's concentrated her support mainly in Aubrey, I don't think
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Speaker 2: she's going to get much of a vote outside fifty
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Speaker 2: percent of the votes Aubrey. Fifty percent is everywhere else
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Speaker 2: in the electorate. But Jesus, it's going to be a
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Speaker 2: very interesting race in a few weeks time time.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Griffith has voted at the state level independent
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Speaker 8: before and that's in that seat that they might go
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Speaker 8: to One Nation, who knows, but look, we'll be covering it.
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Speaker 8: I think it'll be a fascinating night. I mean, it's
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Speaker 8: a very tough challenge for the Liberal Party. I don't
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Speaker 8: think they'll win it. I think it'll be One Nation
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Speaker 8: or the Teal. But you know, people know they're sort
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Speaker 8: of voting without consequence for a general election, so that
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Speaker 8: could be a difficult thing for Angus Taylor, although I
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Speaker 8: guess you can always talk about Susan Lee in the
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Speaker 8: context of that. But it'll be a willing contest, very
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Speaker 8: interesting indeed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, preferences. I was trying to work out some of
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Speaker 2: the preference flows that might occur if you know this
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Speaker 2: one got to number three and if that one got
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Speaker 2: to number two and who was coming. I mean, it'll
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Speaker 2: be fascinating on the night. Hey, we'll get to that
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Speaker 2: speech today by Angus Taylor. But we've got that announcement
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Speaker 2: at the South and noon from Quantas they're cutting flights,
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Speaker 2: the cost of fuel means that the ticker price will
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Speaker 2: go up for the flights that are left. All we're
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Speaker 2: getting from the government is this twenty million dollars ad campaign.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you had Singo out there to say it's
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Speaker 2: an embarrassment. It's basically a driving lesson which smacks of
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Speaker 2: hubris from a PM that hasn't put fuel in his
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Speaker 2: own car for thirty years and spends his time on
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Speaker 2: a jet as all pms do. But he's off again
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Speaker 2: and you know, sure we neath the fuel, but it's
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Speaker 2: mixing the message.
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Speaker 8: I tell you what, Yeah, I think you can get
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Speaker 8: away with this if it was if there was more
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Speaker 8: in the ad, if you know what I mean. There's
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Speaker 8: not much in the ad that isn't common sense, so
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Speaker 8: it's easy to attack. And I guess I can see
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Speaker 8: why the coalition has attacked it. But I mean from
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Speaker 8: about two weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: Fuel in their tires? I mean, who doesn't put air
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Speaker 2: in their tires? I mean, what an idiot who drives
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Speaker 2: a car without air and their tires.
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Speaker 8: I'm not as good as you.
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Speaker 2: Probably can't even you probably can't even change started. I
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Speaker 2: was waiting for that.
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Speaker 4: But what about.
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Speaker 2: Takes It takes the weight out of your vehicle. You know,
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Speaker 2: tell a woman with a PRAM don't drive around with
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Speaker 2: so much weight in your car. This stuff, it's it's
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Speaker 2: paternalistic at best.
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Speaker 8: It just doesn't really like you'd get annoyed watching it,
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Speaker 8: wouldn't you, you know, especially when you copying the prices.
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Speaker 8: But they did the excise cut and I feel personally
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Speaker 8: it's made a difference. I mean, we're sort of at
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Speaker 8: the Ukraine war prices now and Morrison did that excise
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Speaker 8: cut as opposed to.
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Speaker 4: Reaching up towards three dollars.
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Speaker 8: So I don't know if it's the same for diesel,
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Speaker 8: but as an ordinary sort of motyrist, I think, you know,
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Speaker 8: it was important for them politically they did that. They
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Speaker 8: followed Angus Taylor's policy on that.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll have to say I pay thirty cents more
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Speaker 2: Elter for my diesel up in Farah than I did
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne. So again, country people are being hit hard.
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Speaker 2: I could find it everywhere. I will say I could
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Speaker 2: find it everywhere I went. But this is not going
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Speaker 2: to go away fast Rod. Give me your take on
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Speaker 2: that speech today from Anger. It's Taylor.
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Speaker 8: Well, I thought it was one of his best performances actually,
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Speaker 8: And I think when Angus Taylor just kind of speaks
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Speaker 8: plainly and doesn't get mind in the talking points like
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Speaker 8: so many of them do. He does best. We haven't
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Speaker 8: really seen that much of him. You know, he's just
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Speaker 8: been an energy minister and that's all been very one track.
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Speaker 8: What you saw today was when he was talking about, look,
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Speaker 8: you know, all these people that came past war were
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Speaker 8: trying to get to a democracy from a dictatorship. What
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Speaker 8: we don't want is people coming here who think a
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Speaker 8: dictatorship's okay or extremism is okay. And I think that
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Speaker 8: will resonate with a lot of Australians. And the line
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Speaker 8: about we want people who respect women migrating here, Let's
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Speaker 8: face it, we can't. I don't think you can be
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Speaker 8: politically correct and sweep a lot of this under the carpet.
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Speaker 8: After the Bondi shooting, I think it has changed Australia
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Speaker 8: and it's view on migration. So I think the thing
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Speaker 8: is I guess it was about the vibe and they
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Speaker 8: defeated Peter. As a labor strategist said to me, we
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Speaker 8: defeated Peter Dutton on the vibe. So the vibe matters
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Speaker 8: in politics. We want to see more detail, That's what
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Speaker 8: I would say. But in terms of his actual performance
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Speaker 8: and the retoric yeah, I thought it wasn't a bad
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Speaker 8: performance and it differentiates, it will grab him some more attention,
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Speaker 8: and they desperately need attention because one nation is getting
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Speaker 8: all the attention. In fact, I was told on the
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Speaker 8: weekend that in the Liberal Focus Group's Peter Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 8: who's been in Parliament as long as Anthony Albanese since
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Speaker 8: nineteen ninety six, is being described as this new person,
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Speaker 8: as this new force. So that is inaccurate and an
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Speaker 8: accurate view by some Australians and that fresh, new shiny thing.
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Speaker 8: The Liberal Party needs to take the gloss off that.
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Speaker 8: I think the number one thing for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 8: to do right now is to defeat one nation, you know,
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Speaker 8: and you know that's kind of griming. Obviously they haven't
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Speaker 8: role as an opposition to take on the government, but
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Speaker 8: it's an existential threat and that's the most important thing
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Speaker 8: that they can do to be competitive again to form
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Speaker 8: government in their own right. One nation is the biggest
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Speaker 8: threat at the moment.
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Speaker 2: I think good policy, good liberal policy, good conservative policy,
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Speaker 2: takes on one nation without even having to go after
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Speaker 2: the individuals themselves. And that's what's been missing, you know,
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Speaker 2: there's been this unity ticket on migration. They've talked tough,
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Speaker 2: they haven't delivered. The Libs Underdute and Underlea. There's a
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Speaker 2: little bit more today and it's happened very rapidly since
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Speaker 2: he's become leader. But I think he knows he has
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Speaker 2: to deliver. I want to now see the numbers. I
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Speaker 2: want to see the trajectory. I want to see the
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Speaker 2: path down from these very very high record numbers. But
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Speaker 2: at least we've got this much a couple of months
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Speaker 2: into the job. I'll leave it there, thank you, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go now to the Duke and Duchess
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Speaker 2: of Sussex, who touchdown in Melbourne today for the first
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Speaker 2: part of their well winn Australian tour. Although I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to call it a tour. Okay, they're not here
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Speaker 2: formally as guest of government, they're not working royals. We
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Speaker 2: know that now this is a four day commercial venture
20:03
Speaker 2: to milk money out of Australians dumb enough to pay
20:06
Speaker 2: to be in a room with them. There's a little
20:09
Speaker 2: bit of charity work washing away sort of that brand
20:12
Speaker 2: image problem. But we do know, we do know that
20:16
Speaker 2: taxpayers are paying for their very hefty security costs here
20:20
Speaker 2: to discuss it. My friend from London, Skye is contributor
20:23
Speaker 2: and you just call Australia's European correspondent, Sophie Ellsworth. I mean,
20:27
Speaker 2: I feel like we are mugs, Sophie. These guys are
20:31
Speaker 2: grifters par excelon, so I call them the ginger and
20:34
Speaker 2: the winder. There's no public facing events. Everything's by invitation only.
20:40
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things as you saw today at
20:42
Speaker 2: the real Children's Hospital, but that's just to give a
20:44
Speaker 2: bit of you know, froth and bubble out there for
20:47
Speaker 2: the media. Most of this is a commercial enterprise. It's
20:50
Speaker 2: to make money. I mean, if you want to see
20:53
Speaker 2: Harry it's two grand for a seat. If you want
20:56
Speaker 2: to watch him online it's about five hundred dollars. If
20:59
Speaker 2: you go along to is ridiculously named wellness retreat, it's
21:03
Speaker 2: called Her Best Life Retreat with Meghan, it's going to
21:06
Speaker 2: cost you three thousand dollars. I mean, I know what
21:09
Speaker 2: Australians thick of it. But how's it going down with
21:11
Speaker 2: the punters in the UK? Peter, great to be with you.
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Speaker 10: Look, it's really interesting here because the stories are just
21:20
Speaker 10: coming out here in the UK. Because they arrived in
21:24
Speaker 10: Australia overnight our time here in London. But the UK
21:28
Speaker 10: media is really watching what Australians are saying about Harry
21:33
Speaker 10: and Meghan and saying that they are grifters. That's the
21:36
Speaker 10: reporting in Australia, and that they are using the country
21:40
Speaker 10: like in ATM. They're watching what the media down under
21:43
Speaker 10: us saying with a lot of interest. But Peter, look
21:47
Speaker 10: the charity work. I'll never knock them visiting sick children.
21:51
Speaker 10: I think anyone would welcome that. But they are two
21:55
Speaker 10: royals who have disgraced themselves and they're desperate for money,
21:59
Speaker 10: and this is what this troop is all about. They
22:02
Speaker 10: want those good headlines. We know Harry is in court
22:05
Speaker 10: with his former charity center Barlay. This is a pr
22:08
Speaker 10: exercise to try and repair their very badly damaged reputation.
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Speaker 2: And you know, when you work in the media, you
22:18
Speaker 2: watch someone's camera awareness. I think Harry is there at
22:22
Speaker 2: the hospital genuinely in the moment. She knows exactly where
22:27
Speaker 2: the camera is. I mean, she is an actress, she's
22:30
Speaker 2: working in the angles. It's all fake smiles. You you
22:33
Speaker 2: just can read it, can't you.
22:36
Speaker 10: Well you can, Peter, I mean, that's what she did
22:39
Speaker 10: for a living. She's an actress. But these two, I mean,
22:44
Speaker 10: it's they're not bad, are they. They go on about
22:46
Speaker 10: everyone you know should be wonderful. We all treat everyone
22:49
Speaker 10: respectfully and it's all happy you know, or lovey dovey.
22:53
Speaker 10: These two don't even talk to their own families, Peter.
22:56
Speaker 10: They're at war with their own families. Harry Is doesn't
23:00
Speaker 10: to his brother. He's fallen out pretty much with his father,
23:03
Speaker 10: has little relations with him. I mean, these two are
23:06
Speaker 10: a bunch of hypocrites in my view, and his tour
23:09
Speaker 10: is a real attempt to try and repair their image,
23:13
Speaker 10: repair their brand, Peter. Would be very interesting to see
23:17
Speaker 10: if those two set foot here in the UK, because
23:19
Speaker 10: if they fronted the public here I do not think
23:22
Speaker 10: they would get a warm welcome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to see them swipe the car as
23:27
Speaker 2: they leave Australia and pay back our police for the
23:29
Speaker 2: cost that it'll run to hundreds of thousands of dollars
23:33
Speaker 2: to look after them over these four days. I've got
23:36
Speaker 2: to ask you about this. The UK Prime Minister Kirstama.
23:40
Speaker 2: He wants the power to sign Britain up to EU
23:44
Speaker 2: Single Market rules and a whole lot of plans to
23:47
Speaker 2: avoid a normal parliamentary vote. Now, I thought the whole
23:52
Speaker 2: point of Brexit was you're going to get out of
23:54
Speaker 2: all these EU regulations on carbon emissions and everything else.
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, we know that Sekir Starma does not like Brexit,
24:05
Speaker 10: and he's made it abundantly clear of that, and this
24:09
Speaker 10: is an attempt of him to break away from Brexit.
24:13
Speaker 10: And you would expect, and we have seen Reform leader
24:17
Speaker 10: Nigel Barraj and Conservative leader keemy Bata not come out
24:20
Speaker 10: and criticize him over this proposed plan. But he is
24:24
Speaker 10: also a prime minister that is desperate because he's losing
24:27
Speaker 10: in the polls, and he knows that households are hurting,
24:31
Speaker 10: and he thinks this might be a way to align
24:34
Speaker 10: the UK back with the EU and hopefully bring prices
24:38
Speaker 10: down on items here and costs here. And he's a
24:42
Speaker 10: man who knows that people want his job and he
24:45
Speaker 10: has to take drastic measures to try and ensure he's
24:48
Speaker 10: not booted out of office.
24:51
Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave it there, Sophi'll let you go
24:52
Speaker 2: and enjoy what looks to be a glorious day in London.
24:56
Speaker 2: You've suffered through the winter with us. I'm now looking
24:58
Speaker 2: at that lovely sunshine. Go and enjoy it. Speak to
25:01
Speaker 2: you soon all right. As you know, I was in
25:02
Speaker 2: Parar on the weekend. My first package just after this
25:06
Speaker 2: break will be local farmers and they'll tell us what
25:08
Speaker 2: really matters in the election. They also don't hold back
25:11
Speaker 2: in relation to the Prime Minister and leadership. Also Ben
25:13
Speaker 2: Roberts Smith that got a metsh coming out, Welcome back
25:22
Speaker 2: still the carm I'll be joined my anger's tailor to
25:24
Speaker 2: discuss his crackdown today on immigration. But first, as I said,
25:28
Speaker 2: big weekend. Over the weekend, the seat of Pharah plenty
25:31
Speaker 2: to show you over the next couple of nights, but
25:33
Speaker 2: I thought for tonight i'd start and discuss the issues
25:38
Speaker 2: that are on the ground amongst a group of farmers who,
25:41
Speaker 2: with the national spotlight on them, really took the chance
25:45
Speaker 2: to shake things up. When we talk about the Parah
25:53
Speaker 2: by election, for many, all they see is the city
25:56
Speaker 2: of Allbrie. And while that's fifty percent of the seat
26:03
Speaker 2: in vote terms, the other fifty percent is spread across
26:06
Speaker 2: some one hundred and twenty six thousand square kilometers from
26:12
Speaker 2: the Murray River border with Victoria in the south across
26:16
Speaker 2: west to South Australia, north to Griffith and east to
26:20
Speaker 2: Narandra to the adjoining seat of Riverina. Far are both
26:24
Speaker 2: some of Australia's best agricultural land. It's a domestic and
26:29
Speaker 2: export food bowl. It has become painfully apparent in recent weeks.
26:34
Speaker 2: Food security is national security. So rather than just talk
26:39
Speaker 2: to people in the urban hubs of the seat, I
26:41
Speaker 2: thought I'd head out to the country. Such a big
26:46
Speaker 2: bi election, I'm really thrilled to sit down and talk
26:48
Speaker 2: to you all good eggs. No, you won't let me
26:53
Speaker 2: take a home. Our host, Chris, so they're getting a
26:58
Speaker 2: group of farmers together is like thirding Cat. But when
27:01
Speaker 2: he told them it was about getting some national focus
27:04
Speaker 2: on the issues that they're facing and perhaps using the
27:07
Speaker 2: by election to drive change, they were quick to agree.
27:12
Speaker 2: Is anyone thinking of changing their vote at this by
27:15
Speaker 2: election from how they voted last time last may? Put
27:20
Speaker 2: your hand up if you are. Why is that just water?
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Speaker 10: I'm just going to vote for the party with best
27:27
Speaker 10: water policy for our region because we've been overlooked too
27:31
Speaker 10: many times.
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Speaker 2: Who We've had enough. It's been a running saw for
27:36
Speaker 2: twenty odd years and I was driving up from Melbourne
27:40
Speaker 2: today and even now there are still signs on fences
27:42
Speaker 2: about the Murray Darmond Basin Plan and how angry communities are.
27:48
Speaker 2: Is it still as bad as it's been, Is it
27:50
Speaker 2: getting better or is it getting.
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Speaker 11: Worse for our communities.
27:52
Speaker 5: It is probably getting worse.
27:53
Speaker 11: It's really coming to a head because the policy of
27:57
Speaker 11: the Murray Darling Basin Plan is really staying to hit
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Speaker 11: home where environmental water has been giving a precedence over
28:04
Speaker 11: more food production in the communities, and the fact that
28:09
Speaker 11: irrigation water isn't treated equally as environmental water.
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Speaker 5: The potential for para is limitless. We can grow anything
28:20
Speaker 5: like we're growing percentmons, for example, which is a growing
28:23
Speaker 5: economy both.
28:23
Speaker 1: Domestic and overseas.
28:26
Speaker 5: Potential with that commodity is huge. But we just need
28:29
Speaker 5: more support from our leaders to help us to get
28:31
Speaker 5: to where we should be, not to take our water away,
28:36
Speaker 5: regulate us to oblivion, put more charges on us to
28:40
Speaker 5: export fruit. We need people to help us, not to
28:43
Speaker 5: hinder us and get in our way.
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Speaker 2: David Pocock got to jump in there. The Senator for
28:48
Speaker 2: the Act has already said just a couple of days
28:50
Speaker 2: ago that he is going to support changes to put
28:54
Speaker 2: more environmental water in the Central Parliament. I know he's
28:58
Speaker 2: coming down to campaign with the Independent. I think there's
29:02
Speaker 2: something that there's a move on and.
29:04
Speaker 5: Out of interest. Peter David needs to probably explain himself.
29:08
Speaker 5: So the Act did not meet their requirements for the
29:11
Speaker 5: Murray Daling Basin plan. He wants more out of water
29:14
Speaker 5: out of us. He should have looked a bit harder
29:15
Speaker 5: in his own backyard to find his own savings.
29:18
Speaker 6: If the water keeps going out of their area, it's
29:22
Speaker 6: going to be harder and harder and harder to continue
29:25
Speaker 6: on being an irrigation farmer in this area. And I
29:29
Speaker 6: think it seems to be what they want if happy
29:32
Speaker 6: to do it.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people here have got different enterprises. A
29:37
Speaker 2: Simmons of fruit. You're an irrigator. Unfortunately you're an irrigator
29:43
Speaker 2: that needs diesel to make it all run.
29:45
Speaker 1: This current little East crisis is really on the back banner.
29:49
Speaker 12: I actually have skipped it irrigating to make sure I've
29:52
Speaker 12: got enough fuel to put a crop in this year.
29:54
Speaker 1: And it's quite a concern.
29:56
Speaker 2: Are you getting the supply order order?
29:59
Speaker 4: A family doesn't you get.
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Speaker 1: Half and not only that, but the fertilizer. Fertilizer is
30:03
Speaker 1: a big issue.
30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how much has fertilizer gone up for you?
30:06
Speaker 1: It's doubled, it's doubled.
30:10
Speaker 2: And when it comes to fuel, well you can order it,
30:13
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean it turns up.
30:17
Speaker 1: The moment, we're risking everything planting a crop.
30:20
Speaker 5: But we need the we need the revenue to keep.
30:23
Speaker 1: The businesses alive. So we're getting pushed into a corner
30:26
Speaker 1: pretty quickly.
30:28
Speaker 2: Something these farmers want all of us to better understand.
30:33
Speaker 12: I don't think they realize the food chain or where
30:35
Speaker 12: it comes from. I've been telling my city friends to
30:37
Speaker 12: go to the supermarket. When you go, shut your eyes
30:40
Speaker 12: and just imagine the shelves empty and just imagine what.
30:43
Speaker 1: They would be like, because that's what will happen in Australia.
30:46
Speaker 2: Talk to me about green tape. This is green tape,
30:49
Speaker 2: but also red tape that's hitting production.
30:53
Speaker 5: One thing that's really galling me at the moment is
30:55
Speaker 5: a new program which is about to come in it's
30:57
Speaker 5: not too far off, is that we have to now
31:01
Speaker 5: do carbon accounting at our cost.
31:03
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
31:04
Speaker 4: Though?
31:04
Speaker 5: It means that we have to prove to supermarkets because
31:09
Speaker 5: of their immense power, that our farming practices are carbon neutral,
31:14
Speaker 5: so we are generating as much carbon as we are
31:18
Speaker 5: burning on the farm, or carbon positive. You know, some
31:21
Speaker 5: of the plans we are looking at is doing extensive
31:24
Speaker 5: tree plannings, native tree plannings on plots to make up
31:28
Speaker 5: that carbon sink to offset the energy using energy use
31:33
Speaker 5: that we are doing on the farm.
31:34
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that just take farming land out of production if
31:38
Speaker 2: you're covered in trees.
31:39
Speaker 5: That's exactly what it's doing.
31:41
Speaker 2: And yes there's a financial cost here, but also a
31:44
Speaker 2: big personal toll.
31:47
Speaker 6: What's going to be a problem this year going forward
31:50
Speaker 6: with war and the fuel a fertilizer, desperate preeople, desperate measures.
31:59
Speaker 2: Someone said if Susan Lee wasn't the leader up until recently,
32:04
Speaker 2: if they'd changed earlier, they might think better about the Liberals.
32:08
Speaker 2: Who was that?
32:10
Speaker 5: I said that the President Liberal the Coralation leadership. To me,
32:14
Speaker 5: if they hadn't been for a couple of years, we'd
32:15
Speaker 5: be a bit further down the road and probably a
32:17
Speaker 5: bit happier.
32:18
Speaker 2: So you think Angust and Matt Canavan and better leaders
32:21
Speaker 2: than Susan.
32:22
Speaker 5: They're still a bit of leader in the Liberal Party,
32:24
Speaker 5: but I think that Cannabs come pretty well. Still, we're
32:27
Speaker 5: very wary of what they do and what they say.
32:30
Speaker 5: It can be two different things. After our experience for
32:33
Speaker 5: the last fifty years.
32:34
Speaker 2: And farmers have got long memories.
32:36
Speaker 5: Too, grudges that kept a long time.
32:40
Speaker 2: And you've got one nation in the race now which
32:43
Speaker 2: it didn't have last time. What do you think of
32:45
Speaker 2: one nation?
32:46
Speaker 5: We've got a good chance here to shake it off
32:48
Speaker 5: a bit and to be heard.
32:50
Speaker 1: I've heard David speak a few times.
32:51
Speaker 12: Speaks very well and got a vision and I think
32:54
Speaker 12: that's where we're craving Australia in general, is a vision.
32:57
Speaker 5: With David Farley and the Bruger Pub before cav he's
33:00
Speaker 5: got a fan handshake, he's I think he's got to
33:05
Speaker 5: go okay.
33:06
Speaker 1: But then, why isn't.
33:08
Speaker 4: Labor called up again?
33:09
Speaker 1: Tete?
33:10
Speaker 2: Why do you think they're not putting up in Kell think.
33:12
Speaker 5: They should have should be in the race when it's slapping.
33:15
Speaker 1: The face of it.
33:17
Speaker 13: They should be here.
33:18
Speaker 2: Maybe the Prime Minister's scared that the candidate would get
33:21
Speaker 2: a very low vote and it looks like done him.
33:24
Speaker 2: Give me your assessment of Anthony Albanezi.
33:30
Speaker 6: Wouldn't we be favorite person?
33:31
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
33:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't rade in that island at all. I
33:34
Speaker 1: really did.
33:35
Speaker 6: I thought, if I can mention what happened in Sydney,
33:39
Speaker 6: I reckon. He showed his true gallus. He couldn't stand
33:41
Speaker 6: up and say what the problem was. When we've got
33:45
Speaker 6: someone like that as a leader. He's more worried about
33:49
Speaker 6: him and Tony Burke's votes in their electorates than he
33:53
Speaker 6: is worried about the rest of the country at this stage.
33:56
Speaker 6: That's that's where i'd put an Anthony. That's just what Igi.
34:00
Speaker 5: It's a like old our grandfathers used to say. I
34:03
Speaker 5: don't want to be in the trench with him.
34:06
Speaker 2: One of the things that came through clearly in our
34:08
Speaker 2: discussion was the lack of vision from our politicians.
34:14
Speaker 5: Us as farm as we work on a six months,
34:17
Speaker 5: twelve month, five year, ten year plan, and I don't
34:19
Speaker 5: think our politicians do.
34:20
Speaker 1: That at all.
34:21
Speaker 5: I think they're just looking at the next election cycle.
34:23
Speaker 2: Wayne. What sort of candidate do you want to see
34:25
Speaker 2: represent you in Canberra?
34:27
Speaker 4: Pully?
34:27
Speaker 11: Somebody is willing to stand up for their convictions and
34:30
Speaker 11: if they come out here and say they're going to
34:33
Speaker 11: do something, they follow through with it.
34:36
Speaker 2: These people don't want to handout They just want to
34:40
Speaker 2: candidate who will listen to their concerns and fight for them.
34:42
Speaker 2: In Canberra, they are generational farmers. They run big enterprises
34:47
Speaker 2: that feed the country and they put it all at
34:50
Speaker 2: risk with debt, weather, government, water policy and now there's
34:54
Speaker 2: global crisis in Iran that's hit the cost of fuel
34:57
Speaker 2: and fertilizer. Even knowing all of this, though, they've got
35:01
Speaker 2: children and grandchildren. They want to stay on the land.
35:04
Speaker 2: But it's getting harder and harder. I noticed we've got
35:08
Speaker 2: all these young kids with us now, hello, kids, pleased
35:11
Speaker 2: to have you with mee. Sometimes it must be flat
35:14
Speaker 2: in the country though, and hard to maintain the optimism
35:17
Speaker 2: that you need for these young ones to want to
35:19
Speaker 2: stay on the farm.
35:20
Speaker 12: I think it is flat, and you know, I think
35:23
Speaker 12: we've lost our an Zax spirityy, We've lost that drive
35:25
Speaker 12: and that can do attitude. Yeah, you know, you don't
35:28
Speaker 12: have to look back in war history and what the
35:30
Speaker 12: Australian has achieved in Kakoda, Interbrook everywhere.
35:35
Speaker 1: You know what we're doing to Ben Robert Smith at
35:36
Speaker 1: the moment's terrible. It's a national shame.
35:39
Speaker 12: And if we get a leader that says we need
35:42
Speaker 12: this back, that'll be my boat.
35:48
Speaker 2: You've got your money where your mouth is, You've got
35:51
Speaker 2: your kids on the farm. You've come back. You said
35:54
Speaker 2: to me that you want them to think about being farmers.
35:58
Speaker 2: You must be hopeful in the end that it's it's
36:01
Speaker 2: worth the heartache. You have to be optimistic.
36:05
Speaker 6: I think that with this by election we have we
36:09
Speaker 6: do have hope because we've been looked at like you're
36:12
Speaker 6: here talking to a less than.
36:15
Speaker 11: And that's hope.
36:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, and hopefully our vote counts.
36:23
Speaker 2: Such good people I tear. It's a reminder to me.
36:25
Speaker 2: If I want to have an injection of Australian spirit,
36:28
Speaker 2: I got to get out of Melbourne. Don't I going
36:30
Speaker 2: to get out into the country as it did last week?
36:33
Speaker 2: You remember I brought to the story the farmers at Walker.
36:35
Speaker 2: This is the town in the New England region and
36:37
Speaker 2: New South Wales who say they've been forced to carry
36:40
Speaker 2: the cost of a transmission corridor. It's about two hundred
36:43
Speaker 2: and seventy en kilometers in relation to an energy zone
36:47
Speaker 2: with transmission towers that are going to monster local farmland
36:50
Speaker 2: and a forest. The campaign is behind at the Walker
36:54
Speaker 2: high Country. Guardians say this is just a regional issue.
36:58
Speaker 2: It's a New South Wales white issue. Costs blowouts all
37:02
Speaker 2: the way along this wrong route. We'll hit every taxpayer,
37:05
Speaker 2: every household, every future energy bill. Now, if you've been
37:08
Speaker 2: watching from the sidelines, you have to act now. Get
37:12
Speaker 2: out your phones. Here's the QR code. Screen it please,
37:16
Speaker 2: it'll take you to a page where you can sign
37:17
Speaker 2: up and make a difference. Now they're just about there.
37:20
Speaker 2: They need twenty signature twenty thousand signatures, but please do
37:23
Speaker 2: it tonight. You have to be from New South Wales.
37:26
Speaker 2: If you are not, grab the website details and send
37:30
Speaker 2: it to someone in your friends or family group is
37:33
Speaker 2: from New South Wales. Let's get it signed. It'll go
37:37
Speaker 2: up on the website as well. All right, that announcement
37:40
Speaker 2: from the opposition. After break, Angus Taylor joins me. Welcome back.
37:49
Speaker 2: Coming up yet more scrutiny regarding the very public arrest
37:53
Speaker 2: of Ben Roberts Smith and questions over how it turned
37:56
Speaker 2: into such a media spectacle. Lucy's Zelleck will join me.
38:00
Speaker 2: A real terrier on the issue now, though to the
38:03
Speaker 2: keynote speech from the opposition leader today and the line
38:06
Speaker 2: in the sand on immigration that conservative voters have been
38:09
Speaker 2: waiting for. Angus Taylor's message on immigration, priorities, shared values, system,
38:15
Speaker 2: integrity and relief for housing and services under pressure. But
38:19
Speaker 2: as he broadens the debate beyond crime to culture and cohesion,
38:24
Speaker 2: there are questions now about fairness and feasibility. So will
38:28
Speaker 2: Angus Taylor hold the line? I'm pleased to say the
38:31
Speaker 2: leader of the opposition, the Liberal leader, Angus Taylor, joins me. Now, well, Angus,
38:36
Speaker 2: I think there's been a lot of Liberals waiting for
38:38
Speaker 2: quite a time to hear a speech like that. We
38:41
Speaker 2: were promised it from Peter Darton. We didn't get it.
38:43
Speaker 2: We were promised policies like this from Susan Lee. You've
38:47
Speaker 2: only been in the seat now a top job, for
38:50
Speaker 2: a couple of months, but she've really staked out some
38:53
Speaker 2: ground today. Why is it so important to take on
38:56
Speaker 2: the values fight about immigration as well as the numbers.
39:03
Speaker 3: Well, Peter, thank you for having me, And can I
39:07
Speaker 3: say what's been missing in the immigration debate is the
39:10
Speaker 3: importance of putting Australian values first, and putting Australian values
39:15
Speaker 3: at the heart of our immigration debate. It's right not
39:19
Speaker 3: to have an immigration system that discriminates on race, or
39:22
Speaker 3: religion or ethnicity, but it must discriminate based on values.
39:28
Speaker 3: So if people don't believe in our democracy, in our
39:31
Speaker 3: rule of law, our legal system, in the basic freedoms
39:35
Speaker 3: of speech and religion that we believe in this country,
39:37
Speaker 3: they shouldn't come to the country. It's as simple as that,
39:41
Speaker 3: and that's got to be the starting point for any
39:43
Speaker 3: good immigration system. I think Australians strongly feel that we've
39:47
Speaker 3: lost control of immigration in recent years. Many remember the
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Speaker 3: great immigration waves we saw after the Second World War
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Speaker 3: that were so good for this country. They were based
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Speaker 3: on bringing people to this country who loved to become Australians,
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Speaker 3: who reveled in being Australian, who adopted our core values
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Speaker 3: and became great Australians. We need to re establish stat
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Speaker 3: ethoughts that approach.
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Speaker 2: I guess the difference their angers is they came to
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Speaker 2: join us, not to change us. They came to participate,
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Speaker 2: to do the heavy lifting to build a country that
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Speaker 2: we all enjoy and the prosperity I might add, I
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Speaker 2: mean a lot of the drivers of small business have
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Speaker 2: always been our migrants when I go to the UK,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure you get this as well. Tories in
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Speaker 2: particular say to me, you can avoid the mess we
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Speaker 2: are in, right, they say, many of them. It's too
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Speaker 2: far gone for us in the UK. We've lost London,
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Speaker 2: We're fast losing our big cities. You've got a chance
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Speaker 2: to turn this around in Australia. Is that what's driving
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Speaker 2: you here?
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Speaker 4: We're absolutely right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we are in a better position than many
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Speaker 3: of those countries. A lot of it due to the
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Speaker 3: work of the Abbot government, as you know, Peter, with
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Speaker 3: getting control of our borders, and that puts us into
41:04
Speaker 3: an important starting position.
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Speaker 4: But we are still way short of where we need
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Speaker 4: to be.
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Speaker 3: We need to put Australian values at the center of
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Speaker 3: our system. We also need to make sure people who
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Speaker 3: are no longer on a visa leave the country are
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Speaker 3: deported from the country.
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Speaker 4: And we need to shut the door to radicals.
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Speaker 3: We need to put up the red light to radicals
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Speaker 3: who we don't want in this country.
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Speaker 4: Right now under this.
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Speaker 3: Government, sixty five thousand people we know have exhausted all
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Speaker 3: avenues for appeal, been looking for protection and.
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Speaker 4: They should leave. They should leave. But I'll tell you what,
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Speaker 4: Tony Burke is not going to ask them to leave.
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Speaker 2: We've also got a problem to angus. You know, they
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Speaker 2: can utilize the legal system all the way through it,
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Speaker 2: even as you say, after they've been looked at carefully
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Speaker 2: and rejected as a refugee or some sort of other migrant,
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Speaker 2: they can come here as people did from Gaza as
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Speaker 2: tourists and then try and migrate across to other visa
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Speaker 2: classes and they'll be here until they get a decision.
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Speaker 2: If they don't like the decision, you can bet you
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Speaker 2: bottom dot, or they'll go through the courts. And there's
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Speaker 2: all the cost associated with people who have no right
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Speaker 2: to be in Australia but who will not go home.
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Speaker 3: That's absolutely right, and that's why we're One of the
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Speaker 3: things we put forward today as part of our package
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Speaker 3: is a safe country list, where you come from a
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Speaker 3: country where we know you're not likely to be subject
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Speaker 3: to persecution. This shouldn't be subject to consideration. You should
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Speaker 3: not be given protection and you should go home.
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Speaker 2: Okay. The Howard government was about one hundred thousand a
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Speaker 2: year in terms of net overseas migration. The Abbot government,
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Speaker 2: well that was the last time we got under two
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand. It's well and truly above three hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: under the current MOB, and many millions since they've been
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Speaker 2: in office. When are we going to see a number
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Speaker 2: from the coalition?
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Speaker 3: Well, you're absolutely right. The standards have been too Labor.
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Speaker 3: The numbers have been too high. One point four million
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Speaker 3: in three and a half years under Labor. You will
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Speaker 3: see a number from US, Peter, it will be way
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Speaker 3: lower than where we are at the moment. Labor keeps moving,
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Speaker 3: not meeting its targets. It's about eighty thousand above its
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Speaker 3: own targets and still way way too high. And getting
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Speaker 3: back to those historical sort of numbers is where we
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Speaker 3: need to be now. The most important factor in this
43:31
Speaker 3: is to make sure our population growth is in line
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Speaker 3: with our housing growth. If you get that wrong, then
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Speaker 3: young Australians can't get into a home and we'll see
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Speaker 3: how housing unfolds over the next little while. Labor frankly
43:45
Speaker 3: has missed its own housing targets as well, and we're
43:48
Speaker 3: not getting nearly enough houses built. But we need to
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Speaker 3: make sure we've got a number that we can cope with,
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Speaker 3: we can absorb, which is consistent with young Australians being
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Speaker 3: able to get into a.
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Speaker 2: Home just before we go, Angus, are you surprised? I
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Speaker 2: was last week when I heard that non migrants could
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Speaker 2: access to non Australian citizens. Non Australian citizens could axpayer
44:13
Speaker 2: could access that taxpayer program to get you into your
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Speaker 2: first time.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: This is the five percent deposit scheme underwritten by the
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Speaker 3: government and it's available to non citizens. Well, one of
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Speaker 3: the things we announced today is that will no longer
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Speaker 3: be the case under a coalition government. It's completely unacceptable
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Speaker 3: that a program like that is available to non Australians.
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Speaker 4: Will restrict it to.
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Speaker 3: Citizens and will look more broadly at government services and
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Speaker 3: programs to make sure that the wrong people aren't being
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Speaker 3: eligible for it.
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Speaker 2: All right, and just on the number, are we going
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Speaker 2: to see the number in and around the budget week?
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Speaker 2: Your number on migration? Will it be that soon?
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Speaker 3: Well, we've got to see what housing looks like over
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Speaker 3: the next little while, Peter, and the housing numbers keep
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Speaker 3: coming in lower than labor says they're going to That
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Speaker 3: obviously will be a key factor in our considerations. You
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Speaker 3: cannot have an immigration rate which is out of line
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Speaker 3: with your housing growth. And that is exactly what we've
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Speaker 3: seen under labor and it is no wonder so many
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Speaker 3: young Australians are struggling to be able to buy a
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Speaker 3: home or even to rent a home at this point
45:32
Speaker 3: at an.
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Speaker 4: Afford at affordable level. So we'll see how that unfolds
45:37
Speaker 4: over the coming months.
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Speaker 2: I leave it there, Angus Taylor, thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: Could be with you, Peter, all right, quick break after
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Speaker 2: the break. The first female Army chief? Is she there?
45:51
Speaker 2: On merit? Two women will debate that after the break.
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Speaker 2: They certainly are. See you then welcome back to the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister yesterday announced Mark Hammond as the Defense false Chief.
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Speaker 2: But the interesting one was Susan Coyle announced as the
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Speaker 2: first female Army chiefs a chief of Army. At the
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Speaker 2: same time, this Australia's peak psychology body has backtracked on
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Speaker 2: protecting children when it comes to gender dysphoria. I mean,
46:20
Speaker 2: if anyone can be anything these days, if anyone could
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Speaker 2: call themselves a woman, why on earth do these female
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Speaker 2: firsts even warrant a mention? Here to discuss this and
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Speaker 2: more Sky News to host Jamie Rodgers and our contributor
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Speaker 2: Lucy Zelik. I mean what frustrates me here is Labour's
46:38
Speaker 2: obsession with all the optics, you know, whether it's a
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Speaker 2: solicitor general, heads of agency, heads of department. I come
46:44
Speaker 2: think of the last time they made any of these
46:46
Speaker 2: big appointments, Jamie, where it was a bloke and fine,
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Speaker 2: if they are the best person. I'm not always convinced.
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Speaker 14: Your spot on there, Peter, and especially in a role
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Speaker 14: where you're heading up our army time where it is
47:01
Speaker 14: such a volatile geopolitical landscape. I really hope that Susan
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Speaker 14: Coyle is the right person for the job. She has
47:07
Speaker 14: got a forty year career and has held some senior positions,
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Speaker 14: but we need someone that is going to be strong
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Speaker 14: and can do the job. We want to make sure
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Speaker 14: that people are getting it on merit, not because it's
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Speaker 14: a DEI hiring, which ultimately goes against everything that it
47:20
Speaker 14: was started for in that these accomplished women are ultimately
47:24
Speaker 14: perceived as box tickets. So DEI has led to that.
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Speaker 14: But just quickly, Peter, there was one thing that Susan
47:29
Speaker 14: led me to have a few red flags about her.
47:31
Speaker 14: And when she first got up and was going to
47:34
Speaker 14: say her thank you, she did the acknowledgment to country.
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Speaker 2: As we always see.
47:37
Speaker 14: But then straight after that she said she wanted to
47:40
Speaker 14: extend her respects to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people
47:44
Speaker 14: who defended our country, and I just thought, gee, that's
47:48
Speaker 14: a bit insulting for everyone else. It just seemed like
47:51
Speaker 14: to me it was a perfect time to say, and
47:53
Speaker 14: I extend my respects to Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander and
47:55
Speaker 14: then everyone who was gone and defended our country. I
47:58
Speaker 14: didn't think it's a time for identity politics. We should
48:01
Speaker 14: all be one and be very happy and grateful for
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Speaker 14: anyone that will go and defend our country.
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Speaker 2: Particularly when we've got soldiers that have been literally at
48:13
Speaker 2: the pointy end of the spare our sees. It doesn't
48:15
Speaker 2: get any pointier than that who have been had their
48:19
Speaker 2: characters and reputations produced, not just Ben Roberts Smith, but
48:22
Speaker 2: right across the board. Veterans are really struggling, aren't they, Lucy,
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Speaker 2: And we're all looking at the circumstances of that arrest.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't stack up. And another female chief, the head
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Speaker 2: of the AFP, she has serious questions to answer. Let
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Speaker 2: me play a grab from a former AFP officer on
48:39
Speaker 2: the show last night about what does not stack up
48:43
Speaker 2: about that arrest. Have listen.
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Speaker 13: I think it's a very public and orchestrated arrest in
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Speaker 13: front of the children and the public with the media present,
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Speaker 13: is completely unnecessary and possibly a disproportionate execution of power
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Speaker 13: by the Australian Federal Police.
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Speaker 2: A lot of claims too, Lucy, that this is about,
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Speaker 2: you know, prejudicing a jury, that it was chosen to
49:05
Speaker 2: be a New South Wales arrest for a jury then
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Speaker 2: from New South Wales, not where he lives, not where
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Speaker 2: he used to live. What do you make of it all?
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Speaker 15: Well, not where he lives, because it happens to be
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Speaker 15: a conservative leaning state, right, So that's the first point
49:20
Speaker 15: that needs to be made about why they've made that
49:22
Speaker 15: particular decision. But we have every writer, as the Australian people,
49:26
Speaker 15: to question the circumstances surrounding Ben Roberts Smith's arrest. And
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Speaker 15: this is something that I've already pledged publicly that I
49:32
Speaker 15: will not let go of. Just today, in fact, I
49:35
Speaker 15: made a few requests. I sent a request off to
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Speaker 15: the Attorney General's Department as well as the Minister for
49:41
Speaker 15: Home Affairs, of which we know that Tony Burk is
49:43
Speaker 15: responsible for, because I wanted to ask them whether or
49:47
Speaker 15: not the circumstances surrounding his arrest concerned then, because we
49:52
Speaker 15: know that there is existing legislation in place which clearly
49:55
Speaker 15: states that members of both the AFP and the OSI
49:59
Speaker 15: will be subject to legal ramifications if they leak any
50:03
Speaker 15: type of details about a highly sensitive arrest. And I
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Speaker 15: didn't hear back, I can reveal with you exclusively, I
50:09
Speaker 15: did not hear back from the Minister for Home Affairs
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Speaker 15: Tony Burk's office, but the only response I got back
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Speaker 15: from the Attorney General's office was this is a matter
50:17
Speaker 15: before the courts and it would be inappropriate to comment.
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Speaker 15: I'm not asking any of these agencies to comment on
50:23
Speaker 15: the trial that Ben Robert Smith will be subjected to,
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Speaker 15: of which we all can agree is and should be
50:29
Speaker 15: a fair one. But the circumstances surrounding his arrest, you
50:34
Speaker 15: need to question whether either the AFP or the Office
50:37
Speaker 15: of the Special Investigator leaked this information to the press
50:41
Speaker 15: who were waiting there in the terminal ahead of time.
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Speaker 15: There were photographers allegedly stationed at Mascot Police Station from
50:48
Speaker 15: six am that morning. We're entitled to know if the
50:52
Speaker 15: Australian public now can have further trusted in these organizations
50:56
Speaker 15: going forward, because as it stands, Peter, it's eroding. And
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Speaker 15: the longer they avoid answering any questions around this, the
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Speaker 15: longer this looks.
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Speaker 2: Us beautifully expressed and passionately expressed. Lucy, I'll leave it
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Speaker 2: there as I said, you're a terrier, You're a dog
51:13
Speaker 2: on a bone on this one, and you're not going
51:14
Speaker 2: to give it up. So thank you for your digging
51:17
Speaker 2: around in those questions today. Thank you to the BO,
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Speaker 2: thank you to Jamie. Catch up with here next week.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me. See tomorrow night, the Libs and Nats.
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Speaker 2: I'll introduce you to the candidates from Farah tomorrow night