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HEARTBREAKING REVEAL: MOM SAYS MISSING GIRL, 6, "EATEN BY WOLVES," WHERE'S OAKLEY? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A heartbreaking reveal. Mommy says
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  Speaker 1: her missing little girl, just six years old, was eaten
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  Speaker 1: by wolves. Really, Where's Oakley? I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The desperate
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  Speaker 1: search for a missing little girl continues. What happened to Oakley? Carlson?
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  Speaker 1: Where is Oakley?
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  Speaker 2: And and and and.
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  Speaker 3: Look?
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  Speaker 2: I don't even take a son from me?
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  Speaker 4: And so and he took his phone from you?
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  Speaker 1: Did you have Andrew's phone?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I love bost in Tokio, Maryland? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: And and Andrew take it?
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  Speaker 1: And then what happened? And and and him back in
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  Speaker 1: Whose bed? Is there anything more precious than a little
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  Speaker 1: baby girl? This case is haunting, not just me, but
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  Speaker 1: so many others. And Jordan put okay?
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  Speaker 5: Jordan put Andrew back in his bed?
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  Speaker 1: He does she hit him? Okley?
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  Speaker 6: Him dead?
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  Speaker 1: Nick? Who do you Hondich? Why did she hit him?
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  Speaker 1: Go to him? Gosh? Hoh? Him? Who is being meant?
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  Speaker 1: Why does he be mean? How many nights? I have?
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  Speaker 1: Lenawaite wondering where is Oakley? Joining me an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now?
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  Speaker 1: But first, I'm gonna go to a very special guest
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  Speaker 1: joining us, Jamie Joe Hiles. Jamie Joe was Oakley's foster
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  Speaker 1: mom and loved her so much. Jamie Joe, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us and leading the rally to try
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  Speaker 1: and find Oakley. Tell me how you ended up getting
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  Speaker 1: to foster Oakley To start with, we.
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  Speaker 2: Were really fortunate when it came to fostering Oakley. She
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  Speaker 2: kind of almost fell in our lap. It was as if,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a family friend contacted us and said, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I know of a foster child that is most likely
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  Speaker 2: going to be put into adoption. Is this something that
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  Speaker 2: you're interested in doing? And my husband and I looked
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  Speaker 2: at each other across the couch and we just were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's do it. And we weren't sure at first if
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  Speaker 2: it was going to be a long term sit you
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  Speaker 2: or a short term but as the years went by,
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  Speaker 2: we were like, wow, like this is actually happening, Like
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get to adopt her, and we love
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  Speaker 2: the time that we had with Oakley.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about Oakley. I'm seeing all these fantastic photos
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  Speaker 1: that you so kindly have given us as you and Oakley,
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  Speaker 1: your husband with Oakley, and she's so happy.
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  Speaker 2: She is so happy, Jamie Joe. Yeah, she was a
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  Speaker 2: happy little girl, like I know that. I she definitely
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  Speaker 2: had her toddler moments, but she was such a good
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  Speaker 2: little girl. She was polite, she was adventurous, she wasn't
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  Speaker 2: scared of anything. She tried all of her food that
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  Speaker 2: we put in front of her, and she slept all night.
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  Speaker 2: She was just the best little girl you could.
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  Speaker 4: Ever think of.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at a photo of you, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: she's little, and then progressing. Now she's got on tennis
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  Speaker 1: shoes and walking. Now she's with you, she's got all
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  Speaker 1: her baby teeth, and she's got a big smile. There
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  Speaker 1: she is with your husband, kissing him, sitting on his shoulders. Here,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are all dressed up. She looks like little
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  Speaker 1: bo peep. Just the love on her face. That's what
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  Speaker 1: happens when a child is really loved. Tell me about
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  Speaker 1: your daily routine with Oakley.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of the time Oakley would go
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  Speaker 2: to the daycare here in town. I'd pick her up
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  Speaker 2: after school, and then we would always go to sporting events,
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  Speaker 2: whether that was like the high school basketball or I
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  Speaker 2: coached a dance team at the High School where I work,
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  Speaker 2: and so she would often come to dance practice with us.
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  Speaker 2: We had her in dance class also, so every Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: she would go to her little ballet class. And then
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  Speaker 2: the weekends we were always doing something, going to the zoo,
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  Speaker 2: going to the hands On Children's Museum, going to the beach,
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  Speaker 2: anything like that to kind of get those experiences with
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  Speaker 2: her that every little kid should get to have.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Jamie Jo Hiles, you're minding me. And
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  Speaker 1: when the twins were little, I felt like a cruise director.
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  Speaker 1: Every weekend. I was trying to think, what can we
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  Speaker 1: do with the twins this weekend, whether it's the hands
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  Speaker 1: On Museum or some other museum or some festival, or
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  Speaker 1: looking for pompkins or picking strawberries, or just anything to
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  Speaker 1: get them out and about see their face light up
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  Speaker 1: and have a brand new experience the dance classes, the
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  Speaker 1: SoC or this that. Just there, I saw her in
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  Speaker 1: the floor playing with pots and pans, something the twins love.
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  Speaker 1: For me to take out all the pots and pans
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  Speaker 1: out of the cabinet, put them all the floor and
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  Speaker 1: give them two woodenspoons each and it was the most
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  Speaker 1: beautiful music I've ever heard. Why couldn't you keep Oakley.
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  Speaker 2: I know that Mom had gone to the rehab classes
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  Speaker 2: that she was ordered to go to, and shortly after
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  Speaker 2: she went to those rehab classes, she became pregnant and
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  Speaker 2: stayed clean. And I don't know if it's because she
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  Speaker 2: had stayed clean for so long or what kind of
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  Speaker 2: law happens, but she was able to get Oakley and
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  Speaker 2: her siblings back.
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  Speaker 1: I saw you take a big swallow, like a hell cold,
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  Speaker 1: and your throat just then from here, I could see
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  Speaker 1: you swallow at that last sentence.
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  Speaker 2: Why it never gets easier to talk about this because
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  Speaker 2: my husband and I grieved the loss of Oakley, and
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  Speaker 2: then to find out that she was missing. It still
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  Speaker 2: hurts our hearts and it doesn't make sense to us,
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  Speaker 2: and it never will make sense to us why we
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  Speaker 2: didn't get to have her with us permanently.
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  Speaker 1: What did they tell you when they told you they
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  Speaker 1: were taking Oakley away and giving her back to Buyo Mom,
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  Speaker 1: who had been just out of rehab.
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  Speaker 2: So it was really confusing at first because in the
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  Speaker 2: spring we were asked by our sol worker, Angela Freese,
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  Speaker 2: if we would be interested in taking the new baby
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  Speaker 2: when it was born, and my husband and I were like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we would be interested in taking Oakley's younger sibling, and
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  Speaker 2: then the next month at the next health and safety visit,
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  Speaker 2: we were told never mind, like that's not an option anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And then it slowly kind of came to that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's going to be returned. And when my husband and
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  Speaker 2: I went to fight it with the Grace Harbor Department
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  Speaker 2: of Children, Youth and Families, we were told she's not
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  Speaker 2: your daughter.
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  Speaker 1: You need to let go of this. I've had that
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  Speaker 1: hit like a ton of Briggs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not a confrontational person, and I had
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  Speaker 2: my whole listing of like, you're going to give this
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  Speaker 2: child attachment disorder. She's barely spent any time at their
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  Speaker 2: house and you want to return her in the next month.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think that this is conducive to her
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  Speaker 2: or the parents? It seems like an asenine plan to
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  Speaker 2: me for somebody that has struggled with drugs to have
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  Speaker 2: a baby, get all their kids back at once and
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  Speaker 2: be able to hope and do okay, Like, doesn't that
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  Speaker 2: seem like a plan for failure at the kid's expense.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an addition to Jamie J. Hils, who love
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  Speaker 1: Oakley with all of her heart. A renowned guest psychiatrist,
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  Speaker 1: Emmy honored personality doctor Carol Lieberman, best selling author of
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  Speaker 1: Lions and Tigers and Terrorists Oh My, she is on
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  Speaker 1: a mission to help parents and teachers protect children. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Carrol Lieberman, thank you so much for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Can you explain something Jamie jo Hiles just said she
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  Speaker 1: referred to attachment disorder?
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  Speaker 4: What is that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, what that is is when a child is being
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  Speaker 3: raised by parents who are very traumatic towards the child,
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  Speaker 3: in other words, who are their physical abuse or sexual abuse,
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  Speaker 3: or neglect, some kind of problems. That makes a child
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  Speaker 3: have a lot more trouble when they then are placed
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  Speaker 3: in another home. But that's the thing that I was
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  Speaker 3: noticing in these photographs that clearly she did adopt to
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  Speaker 3: Jamie Joe, you know, did feel loved and did flourish,
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  Speaker 3: and so she would have not had attachment disorder. She
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  Speaker 3: would have continued with them and felt that love.
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  Speaker 1: What happens when you disrupt that, doctor Leeberman.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's very difficult because you know, if she were
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  Speaker 3: going to a loving home as well, it's still difficult
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  Speaker 3: being disrupted, especially at a young age. But there might
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  Speaker 3: have been some possibility of still growing and things being okay.
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  Speaker 3: But going back to the place that she had to
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  Speaker 3: be taken out of, I mean, obviously it was a
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  Speaker 3: horrible situation that she wouldn't have put in foster care
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  Speaker 3: to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: To Cold Case investigative research founder, forensic expert, and star
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  Speaker 1: of a hit news podcast, Zone Heaven, Cheryl McCollum is
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  Speaker 1: joining us. Cheryl, I don't understand it at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I don't try to understand it. I just accept that
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  Speaker 1: it's true. Why defacts and I reserve this for very
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  Speaker 1: few entities. May they rot in hell? Continue to put
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  Speaker 1: these defenseless children. They take them out of the fire,
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  Speaker 1: then throw them back into the frying pan with bio
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  Speaker 1: parents that treat them like crap to start with, and
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  Speaker 1: then we're all surprised when the child goes missing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not surprised. Why does that keep happening? It's like Groundhog Day,
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 4: In this case, the foster mom emailed and emailed and
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  Speaker 4: called her husband emailed. They documented the injuries on Oakley,
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  Speaker 4: and those were ignored when that baby was given back
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  Speaker 4: to the biological parents. It is without reason, I would
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  Speaker 4: go ten months without a social worker go into that
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  Speaker 4: home and visiting with Oakley, reinterviewing her, making.
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  Speaker 7: Sure she was safe.
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  Speaker 1: Straight back out to Jamie Jo Hiles joining us. This
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  Speaker 1: is Oakley's foster mom, Jamie, Joe, How long did you
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  Speaker 1: have Oakley?
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  Speaker 2: We had her for a little over two and a
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  Speaker 2: half years.
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  Speaker 1: During that time, did she have any visitation with the
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  Speaker 1: bio mom or dad?
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  Speaker 2: She had on and off weekly visits with both Jordan
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  Speaker 2: and Andrew. Sometimes it was just Jordan, sometimes it was Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it was both of them, but she did see
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  Speaker 2: them pretty regularly.
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  Speaker 1: And how would she respond to that?
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes she'd come home and she'd be upset because Jordan
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  Speaker 2: or Andrew would be upset at the visit, So she
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  Speaker 2: would come home and be upset. Sometimes when she had
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  Speaker 2: weekend visits, like right before she transitioned home, she told
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  Speaker 2: me that she was at their house for too long
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  Speaker 2: and that she would have liked to have come home sooner.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever notice any injuries on Oakley's face or body?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So one time she came home from a visit
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  Speaker 2: with scratch marks on her face, and I documented them,
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  Speaker 2: and I took a picture and I sent it to
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  Speaker 2: the social worker and asked what happened, and I did
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  Speaker 2: not really get any kind of response. She said that
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  Speaker 2: she was going to be out on vacation and would
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  Speaker 2: address it later.
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  Speaker 1: So the baby comes home Covenant scratches, and the social
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  Speaker 1: worker goes on vacation. Yeah, did she explain how she
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  Speaker 1: got the scratches.
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  Speaker 2: We never pushed her like we asked her, But we
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  Speaker 2: also never wanted to give her an idea of like
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  Speaker 2: Jordan or Andrew would cause harm to her, So we
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  Speaker 2: never wanted to put that in her head. Just like
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  Speaker 2: the video earlier of my husband in Oakley talking like
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  Speaker 2: she came back from a visit and started to say
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  Speaker 2: that violence happened, And I immediately got out my phone
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  Speaker 2: to record that because it was shocking that she was
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  Speaker 2: just talking about it as if it were normal.
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  Speaker 1: What was she saying about violence in that video with
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  Speaker 1: your husband.
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  Speaker 2: She was at an overnight weekend visit with Jordan and Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: and this was a month before she transitioned home, and
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  Speaker 2: she said that she was watching Coco Mellon on Andrew's
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  Speaker 2: phone and that Jordan took the phone from her and
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  Speaker 2: was upset that Andrew must have given her the phone,
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  Speaker 2: and then she began hitting Andrew. Violence is something she
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  Speaker 2: never would have seen in our home, so it was
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  Speaker 2: very unusual that she was talking about it. And you
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  Speaker 2: could tell she was nervous because she was stuttering as
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  Speaker 2: she was talking. That was not her normal dialect. She
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  Speaker 2: never spoke like that, but you could tell she was nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Doctor Carroll Laberman is with us,
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  Speaker 1: a renowned psychiatrist joining us out of Beverly Heels. Harold,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you a quick story. When Lucy and John,
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  Speaker 1: Dave or Lila and I would have bath time with
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  Speaker 1: each one would get their own bath time, and I
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  Speaker 1: would read books to them, and I'd be getting ready
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  Speaker 1: to sneak out after the bath so I could go
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  Speaker 1: to work at night. So I would read this one
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  Speaker 1: book called Caps for Sale, I think it was, and
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  Speaker 1: it would be I've got a point a guy that
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  Speaker 1: sold caps, and they were it was a children's book,
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  Speaker 1: and they were stacked up in a big stack, and
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of monkeys got the caps and ran off
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  Speaker 1: with them, and the salesperson the guy said, give me
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  Speaker 1: back those caps, and in the book and has fists
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  Speaker 1: like that, and so I would act it out like
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  Speaker 1: I just did with you, and I remember Lucy would
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  Speaker 1: go and just look at me, like when I see,
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  Speaker 1: give me back those caps, And then she would look
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  Speaker 1: at the book, at the picture of the man arguing, fighting,
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  Speaker 1: arguing with the monkeys up in the tree. And it
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  Speaker 1: was only later I realized she had never heard anybody
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  Speaker 1: threaten anybody. This was just a book. And so I
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  Speaker 1: would try to turn the page and she'd reach it
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  Speaker 1: back and turn it back and just look at the page.
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  Speaker 1: And then she'd look at me like, what's happening because
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  Speaker 1: she had never seen anything like that. I mean, all
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  Speaker 1: we watched was PBS for Pete's sake, Charlie and Lola.
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  Speaker 1: And now I understand why that bothered her so much,
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  Speaker 1: the confrontation, Doctor Carroll.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, So your.
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  Speaker 3: Point is that the fact that it wasn't bothering Oakley,
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  Speaker 3: that she was telling the story as if she was
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  Speaker 3: just saying and then we went to the store when
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  Speaker 3: we got bananas, you know, that shows that this is
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  Speaker 3: what she was exposed to all the time, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of domestic violence, and how her parents must have just
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  Speaker 3: treated it as if this was more.
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  Speaker 1: They give the baby back and then a bizarre event. Listen.
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  Speaker 9: Andrew Carlson calls police fire dispatch to report a fire
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  Speaker 9: at the family home earlier in the day. He tells
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  Speaker 9: dispatch his daughter used a cigarette lighter and caught the
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  Speaker 9: couch on fire. Carlson says he doesn't need fire response,
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  Speaker 9: just wanted to report the fire. Jordan Bowers tells others
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  Speaker 9: Oakley started the fire and it took four hours for
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  Speaker 9: her and Carlson to extinguish the blaze. Fire investigators confirm
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  Speaker 9: a fire at the home, but say it appears to
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  Speaker 9: have started in the microwave, not Oakley using a lighter
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  Speaker 9: to start a fire.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Dave mack is joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: I worked really hard to develop an expertise in prosecuting Arson,
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac as you and I have discussed when I
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  Speaker 1: was a prosecutor, because first you have to prove a
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  Speaker 1: crime even happened. Then you have to get to the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of how it happened and who did it. They're
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  Speaker 1: a technical type of prosecution and investigation. And an Arson
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  Speaker 1: expert tells me it started in the microwave. I'm telling
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  Speaker 1: you that's where it started. I don't know how it started.
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  Speaker 1: But that's where it started. It's really, Dave mac not
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  Speaker 1: that hard to determine where the fire started because just
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  Speaker 1: think about it, Dave Matt, at your house, if you
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  Speaker 1: threw gasoline on the floor in let's just say the
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  Speaker 1: den where your TV is, and then the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the house burned as well or with smoke damage. You
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  Speaker 1: can see with the naked eye that the den is
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  Speaker 1: where the most concentrated burning has been. That's where the
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  Speaker 1: most damage is. You can even see where accelerant can
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  Speaker 1: be poured onto the floor. Sometimes you can smell it.
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  Speaker 1: So if they say it started in the microwave, they
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  Speaker 1: know that to be true, probably from the naked eye.
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  Speaker 1: But yet the parents blame Oakley. Oakley's just a baby.
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  Speaker 1: They're saying Oakley started the fire. But ours investigators say
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  Speaker 1: it started in the microwave.
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  Speaker 9: Right from the earliest call to the fire, they said, oh, man,
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  Speaker 9: she lit it. Our daughter was playing with a lighter
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  Speaker 9: and the couch caught on fire. That was there to like,
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  Speaker 9: blaming Oakley from the very beginning, and then even said
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  Speaker 9: that with one of the other children who repeated the lie.
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  Speaker 1: So Jamie jo Hils, when you heard there had been
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  Speaker 1: a fire and an Oakley started it. What did you think?
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  Speaker 2: I'm thirty seven and I can barely use a lighter,
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  Speaker 2: So that was alarming to me that suddenly this four
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  Speaker 2: year old has the grip strength to start a lighter.
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  Speaker 2: But secondly, one of my friends shared the GoFundMe that
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  Speaker 2: Jordan had started to get money to help them with
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  Speaker 2: the fire, and that was alarming to me. So I
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  Speaker 2: immediately screenshot all the pictures of the damage of the
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  Speaker 2: house and I sent them to DCUIF and I.
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  Speaker 1: Said, this is not right, This is not right. This
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  Speaker 1: is like something something.
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  Speaker 2: Else is going on, and you need to investigate it
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  Speaker 2: because this is not what happened. This wasn't because of Oakley.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even get a response from oakley social worker,
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  Speaker 2: not a single response.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. Let me go out
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  Speaker 1: to Jarrett Farantino, who's joining us along with foster mom
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  Speaker 1: Jamie jo Hiles, who actually took care of Oakley and
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  Speaker 1: really fought tooth and nail for her not to be
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  Speaker 1: returned to these Let me just say no good bioparents.
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  Speaker 1: Jarrett Farentino is host of Prime Time Crime on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: a former prosecutor in Pennsylvania at Jarrettfarentino dot com. Jared,
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  Speaker 1: let me understand, why is it that defacts Department Family
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  Speaker 1: Children's Services CPS, Child Protective Services anything but worked so
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  Speaker 1: hard to reunite the baby with the bioparents. The baby's
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  Speaker 1: already been taken away from them. Why do they want
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  Speaker 1: the baby back with the bioparents, you know, Nancy, that's
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  Speaker 1: a great question.
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  Speaker 8: The way those systems have been long set up is
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  Speaker 8: they say the best interests of a child is to
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  Speaker 8: be with their biological parents. If parents meet these thresholds,
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  Speaker 8: if a parent is need of drug rehab, if a
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  Speaker 8: parent is bettering their life, situation is taking certain classes,
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  Speaker 8: the court's favor putting a child back in a situation
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  Speaker 8: like this, and unfortunately it could have tragic consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes the desire, Jamie jo Hiles, maybe you know more
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  Speaker 1: about it than I do. All I know is wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and I have railed against it for years, seemingly without effect.
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  Speaker 1: But I've seen one case after the next after the next.
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  Speaker 1: Why does the system defects CPS put the priority on
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  Speaker 1: the bioparents who have already either neglected, abandoned, or mistreated
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  Speaker 1: their child. Why do they get what they want, not
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  Speaker 1: what the child wasn't. I don't mean a child going
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  Speaker 1: I want to go to the candy store, I want
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  Speaker 1: to go to six Flags. I don't mean that. I
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  Speaker 1: mean as to where they live. Does a child's voice
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  Speaker 1: mean nothing into system? No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: And what's unfortunate is Oakley even had a CASA, which
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  Speaker 2: is a court appointed special advocate, and he is supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be the voice for Oakley and her siblings, and
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  Speaker 2: he only came out to meet her twice in the
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  Speaker 2: whole two and a half years, and so I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he even had a thumb on how Oakley felt
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  Speaker 2: or anything. I think that he just kind of did
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  Speaker 2: what the court suggested and what the social worker suggested.
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  Speaker 1: But it's really unfair.
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  Speaker 2: Because I could tell Oakley she wanted to see her
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  Speaker 2: siblings and her biological parents on occasion, but she didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to go back there permanently.
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  Speaker 1: But I couldn't do anything about that, But she was
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  Speaker 1: forced to crime stores with Nancy Grace. Where is Oakley?
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  Speaker 1: The tip line? Three six zero five three three eight
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  Speaker 1: seven sixty five repeat three six zero five three three
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  Speaker 1: eight seven six ' five. First, the bizarre fire that
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  Speaker 1: they blame on Oakley, and now.
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  Speaker 9: This Oakley Carlson's six year old sibling goes to Principal
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  Speaker 9: Swift's home for a playdate and sleepover. When Swift asks
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  Speaker 9: about Oakley, the sibling gets upset and says, quote, Oakley
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  Speaker 9: is no more. Swift presses and asks again about Oakley,
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  Speaker 9: and the sibling tells her Oakley went to live with
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  Speaker 9: her foster parents that she lived with before. Concerned about
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  Speaker 9: what she is hearing, Principal Swift contacts the grays Harbor
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  Speaker 9: County Sheriff's office saying she's concerned for oakley safety and
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  Speaker 9: requests a welfare check.
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  Speaker 1: So, after the bizarre fire, then we have the Oakville
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  Speaker 1: Elementary principal, Jessica Swift, stopping by with a care package
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  Speaker 1: after this fire, never sees Oakley. Where's Oakley? And then
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  Speaker 1: she goes back never sees Oakley. And I'm gonna circle
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  Speaker 1: back to doctor Kyrol Lieberman about how very often we
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  Speaker 1: see one child of several picked out as escapegoat, which
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. That tell me what happened.
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  Speaker 9: What happened is Principal Swift actually she knew something's going wrong,
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  Speaker 9: so she orchestrates to have a sleepover with Oakley's older sister.
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  Speaker 9: She can't find out anything about Oakley in a positive way,
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  Speaker 9: so she calls police go check on her.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see her.
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  Speaker 9: I've been there twice. Now I'm hearing something weird from
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  Speaker 9: her sister. Please go check on Oakley. Now, by the
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  Speaker 9: time police go to check on Oakley, the family is
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  Speaker 9: not in their house where they had the fire. They've
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  Speaker 9: actually moved out to a hotel and it's in that hotel.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean, did you see the damage in the house.
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  Speaker 1: I guess they did move into a hotel. Well, hold on.
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  Speaker 4: So the.
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  Speaker 1: Principal Swift is so worried she sets up a play
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  Speaker 1: date for a sleepover, and this is with oakley six
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  Speaker 1: year old sister. The sibling gets upset and says, quote,
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  Speaker 1: Oakley is no more. And then the sibling says, Oakley
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  Speaker 1: went to live with her foster parents that she used
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  Speaker 1: to live with. Do I have that straight?
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  Speaker 9: Dave Mack, Absolutely, That's what the principal was working on
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  Speaker 9: that type of knowledge. So Principal Swift is being aggressive,
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  Speaker 9: but within the what she's supposed to be doing, she's
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  Speaker 9: looking after where is Oakley?
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  Speaker 1: So we go from this bizarre fire in the family
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  Speaker 1: home to Oakley not being present when the principal comes
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  Speaker 1: by with a care package, to then the sibling telling
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  Speaker 1: the principal Oakley is no more. Those are very odd
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  Speaker 1: words coming from a child, so principal very wise the
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  Speaker 1: cause for a welfare check. Listen to what happens due
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  Speaker 1: to the fire.
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  Speaker 5: Oakley Carlson's family is staying at a hotel when the
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  Speaker 5: Tumwater Police Department conducts a welfare check. Andrew Carlson tells
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  Speaker 5: police Oakley is with his parents Oakley's grandparents, but he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't know his father's phone number and can't remember the address.
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  Speaker 5: Carlson's father tells police he hasn't seen Oakley for quite
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  Speaker 5: some time.
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  Speaker 9: Returning to the hotel, the officer's report claims Andrew Carlson
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  Speaker 9: doesn't seem surprised that Oakley is not with his parents.
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  Speaker 9: Speaking to Jordan Bowers about her daughter Oakley, Bowers becomes
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  Speaker 9: uncooperative and refuses to answer questions. After the officers leave
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  Speaker 9: the hotel, Andrew Carlson calls police dispatch and reports Oakley
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  Speaker 9: Carlson missing.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Joe, did you know at the time that all
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  Speaker 1: of this was happening. What were you told, if anything?
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't told.
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  Speaker 2: Anything until so I received two phone calls when I
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  Speaker 2: was at school that day. One call was from the
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  Speaker 2: Grace Harbor County Jai's office asking me if I'd seen Oakley,
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  Speaker 2: and the second call was from DCYF from Grace Harbor
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  Speaker 2: asking if I could take Oakley's younger brother and Oakley
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  Speaker 2: when they found her.
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  Speaker 1: So that's all I was told.
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  Speaker 2: I still have never been told by DCYF. But Oakley
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  Speaker 2: is missing to the capacity that she is.
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  Speaker 1: So you take care of her, You take her in.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at all those pictures. You're the one that
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  Speaker 1: bought that baby blanket right there. You're the one that
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  Speaker 1: bought those clothes. You're the one that put the smile
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  Speaker 1: on her face and took care of her. The bioparents
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  Speaker 1: did nothing, nothing except a beglect and mistreat her. And
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  Speaker 1: now suddenly you're hearing the siblings stay, Oh, she went back.
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  Speaker 1: She went back to live with the foster mom. When
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  Speaker 1: you know, Darwill, she's not there. She hasn't come back
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  Speaker 1: to you. And that's why they came and called you
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  Speaker 1: while they came to see you. Because the sibling was
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  Speaker 1: told she was with you. What went through your mind
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  Speaker 1: when they called you looking for Oakley?
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  Speaker 2: My first thought was, oh, my goodness, like where is she?
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  Speaker 1: Is she okay?
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  Speaker 2: And then when they said can you take her little brother?
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  Speaker 2: And can you take Oakley? I thought, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get We're going to get our girl back.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was incidentally her birthday, and immediately I thought,
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  Speaker 2: I have to run to party City to plan a
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  Speaker 2: birthday party for when she shows up at my house.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea for at least twenty four hours
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  Speaker 2: that it was as bad as it is, no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I checked my phone all night that night waiting for
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  Speaker 2: a phone call that Oakley was going to be dropped
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  Speaker 2: off at my house.
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  Speaker 1: So when they called you looking for Oakley, you get
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  Speaker 1: excited and they say, can you take Oakley when we
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  Speaker 1: find her? That had to ring a red bill of
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  Speaker 1: alarm in your head. Where we find her? And can
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  Speaker 1: you take the little brother, the kneeborn, And you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get her and a sibling. And your
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  Speaker 1: thought was I got to go to party seat right
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  Speaker 1: now because it's her birthday and we're going to have
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  Speaker 1: a party. That's what was going through your mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I immediately told my husband and my father, and
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  Speaker 2: I said, we need to get the nursery ready for
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  Speaker 2: her younger sibling, and we have a guest bedroom which
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  Speaker 2: is where Oakley would stay, and we'd figure it out
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  Speaker 2: later to make it more like not so.
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  Speaker 7: Non kid like.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, Okay, we have to make her birthday
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  Speaker 2: special because obviously if she is not at home, or
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  Speaker 2: if she is being placed back in a foster care,
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  Speaker 2: she's had a really bad birthday already, So let's try
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  Speaker 2: to do something to make the day at least good
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  Speaker 2: for her fifth birthday.
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  Speaker 6: And then this listen, investigators question Oakley's nine year old brother,
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  Speaker 6: who says Jordan Bowers would put Oakley in the closet,
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  Speaker 6: possibly under the stairwell, and has witnessed Jordan beat Oakley
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  Speaker 6: with a belt and has been worried about her starving.
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  Speaker 6: During a forensic interview with a child advocate, Oakley's six
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  Speaker 6: year old sister said her mother Jordan, had told her
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  Speaker 6: to not talk about Oakley. She had gone out into
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  Speaker 6: the woods, she said, and had been eaten by wolves.
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  Speaker 1: To Jamie Joe Hiles, when did you learn the bier?
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  Speaker 1: Mom told the other sisters and brothers that Oakley went
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  Speaker 1: out in the woods and was eaten by wolves.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it was on December ninth, the city
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  Speaker 2: of Oakville held a really beautiful candlelight vigil for Oakley,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of us walked and just kind of
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  Speaker 2: thought about Oakley and had hope for Oakley. And it
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  Speaker 2: was as soon as I came home from that I
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  Speaker 2: saw the police reports and the news reports that this
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  Speaker 2: is what Jordan had been telling Oakley siblings, don't talk
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  Speaker 2: about her. She's been eaten by wolves, that there was
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  Speaker 2: abuse that happened, that she was starved. And the feeling
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  Speaker 2: of knowing that that's what she endured is.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it just kills you, you know, Jamie Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I torture myself the same way I have to stop myself,
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  Speaker 1: Like as I think back on when my fiance was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: and I wonder what happened, what did he endure? Did
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: he understand what was happening to him? Did he know
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  Speaker 1: he was dying? It? Guess me know where what goes
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  Speaker 1: through yourma when you heard this story that mom is
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  Speaker 1: telling people, the children that Oakley went in the woods
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  Speaker 1: and was eaten by wolves. What went through your mind?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that moment?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I thought that was the stupidest
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  Speaker 2: thing that she could say, because we don't have wolves
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  Speaker 2: around here. But then I also thought, how incredulous of
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  Speaker 2: Jordan to sit there and tell her children, you better
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  Speaker 2: watch out, you better not talk about this, because this
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  Speaker 2: is what happened to her, and it's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: to you too if you're not good. Like that's terrifying
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  Speaker 2: to as a little kid to be like, this happened
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  Speaker 2: to my siblings, so I better be on my best behavior.
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  Speaker 2: And it just makes me feel like I want to
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  Speaker 2: go to DCYF and be like I told you so,
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  Speaker 2: I told you that this was a major concern, and
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  Speaker 2: I felt like nobody listened to me.
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  Speaker 1: And now here we are. Well, it is dawn on
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  Speaker 1: you that that story was impossible. She wasn't eaten by wolves,
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  Speaker 1: and that mommy is trying to come up with an
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  Speaker 1: explanation about why Oakley is gone forever. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like a ton of bricks.
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  Speaker 4: And it did.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just so.
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  Speaker 2: It's so infuriating to know that that's the kind of
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  Speaker 2: that's the story that her siblings are are thinking okay, like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Oakley's gone that this is this is what
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  Speaker 2: happened to her. Like that's so frustrating. And as a
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  Speaker 2: as a foster parent, and I don't even like to
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  Speaker 2: call myself her foster mom.
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  Speaker 7: I was her mom.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody wants to think of their kid being eaten by wolves,
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  Speaker 2: and she just Jordan's talk.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, she wasn't eaten by wolves. She wasn't
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  Speaker 1: eaten by wolves. We don't have to think about that
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  Speaker 1: happening because that didn't happen, which leads me to the
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  Speaker 1: conclusion something else horrible it happened. And what's also very
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  Speaker 1: infuriating Jamie Joe is that there were so many red
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  Speaker 1: flags that were waving in front of everybody, right under
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  Speaker 1: their nose.
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  Speaker 5: For instance, listen, Oakley's grandmother tells investigators the last time
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  Speaker 5: she saw her granddaughter, quote, Oakley didn't look well. Oakley
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  Speaker 5: had dark circles under her eyes, pale skin, and she
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: had scratches or sores on her face. Now, the Grace
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  Speaker 5: Harbor County Sheriff's Office has renewed its call for information
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  Speaker 5: regarding the girl's disappearance. Oakley Carlson is often referred to
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  Speaker 5: now as the missing girl who was kept in a
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  Speaker 5: cell under the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com. What did I hear
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  Speaker 1: about a cell under the stairs?
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  Speaker 9: You mean, like Harry Potter, it was a place that
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: the children described like a cell, the under the stairs.
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  Speaker 9: It was an obvious area where they would put her
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  Speaker 9: where she was in the dark, locked in, couldn't get out,
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  Speaker 9: and they all knew it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't Kirill Lieberman with us nown psychiatrists, why do we
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  Speaker 1: see over and over one child out of the whole
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  Speaker 1: family targeted for abuse.
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  Speaker 3: What it might have been is the fact that she
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  Speaker 3: is so adorable and maybe that got her more attention,
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  Speaker 3: like from the father or from people who would come
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  Speaker 3: to see the family, and the mother couldn't deal with
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  Speaker 3: that that she didn't want locally stealing attention that she
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  Speaker 3: wanted for herself.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I know that sounds far fetched, but doctor
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  Speaker 1: Lieberman is absolutely correct that exact scenario has happened. Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: cole Case Research Institute Founder and director, Cheryl, We've seen
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  Speaker 1: it one hundred times, five hundred times. Her one child
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  Speaker 1: is targeted and they are abused horribly.
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  Speaker 7: And let's talk about the mom's statement about the wolves. Nancy,
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  Speaker 7: to your point, when she accepts number one that her
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: child is dead, she accepts that her child is dead
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  Speaker 7: in the most violent, horrific manner that you could imagine,
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  Speaker 7: and then she tells the other children about it so that, hey,
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: everybody knows there's no chance she's ever coming home. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: then they started go fundme where they talk about, hey,
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  Speaker 7: we escaped with our three children, they had four.
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  Speaker 1: You are so right, they said, we escaped with our
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: three children and they had four Jamie Joe Hiles, what
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: do you make of what Cheryl has just pointed out.
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  Speaker 2: When we saw the GoFundMe and we saw that statement,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: we thought that that was a really interesting statement that
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: they have four kids, But why does it say three?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: And that was something I also mentioned a DCIF in
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: my email to them. This is not right, something's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It just might ignored.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Joe, what have you learned about Oakley being kept
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in a sell under the stairs in the dark, horrible things?
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  Speaker 2: She was put into the cell all the time. It's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like a little cabinet, because I've seen pictures of it,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and sometimes they would push the couch in front of
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  Speaker 2: the cabinet. And she would be on the door until
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: she passed out from exhaustion, Like that was just like
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  Speaker 2: her holding place, and everybody knew about it.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Joe, do you think there is any chance Ugley
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  Speaker 1: is still alive?
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  Speaker 2: In my heart, I hope, I hope I see her
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  Speaker 2: again alive. I always will be a little hopeful. But
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  Speaker 2: when you hear about the abuse that she endured, the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: starvation or the drug use that the parents had, it's
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: hard for me to think that she's alive. But I
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  Speaker 2: hope I get to see her again. I hope she's alive.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Have you ever Jamie jo Hiles confronted defects about what
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  Speaker 1: they did?
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  Speaker 2: I have written governor in multiple times asking for an
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  Speaker 2: outside investigation. I have you know? As soon as this
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: kind of started to come to light and be in
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the media, Washington DCYF called me and was like, Hey,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: just a reminder that this is a private situation and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: don't talk about it. And I was like, no, Like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: her case is closed, so I'm going to talk about
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: it because you guys messed up and I've never gotten anything.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Patrick Dowd, the onbuds mid for the Department and Children,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Youth and Family. They say there was nothing wrong done
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: in her case, and we know that that's not true,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: so they will never take account of it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Actually said, we did nothing wrong. They handed the baby back,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: snatched out of your arms, and gave it back to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: two no good parents who all they ever did was
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: sleep together and have a baby. That's it. And it's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: been the rest of their time is trading this baby girl.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: And they don't like what I'm saying. They're more than
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: welcome to join us. We've extended an invitation. They didn't join.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I wonder why they steal defects. Still says they did
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  Speaker 1: nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, correct, And it's so it's laughable because I can say,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: well what about this, and what about this, and what
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: about this? And they say, well, we followed all the rules,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: We followed all the laws. Okay, well why didn't If
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a mandator reporter by the state, why didn't you
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: check in on my claims of abuse? I contacted twice,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you check in on them? That should have
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: been a red flag right there.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Did you ever hear back from Governor Jay Ainsley?
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  Speaker 2: He won't even say her name, He's never said her name.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: He says, oh, we're really sorry to hear about this,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: but he's never said Oakley Carlson.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Let your voice be heard. The number for Governor Jay
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Ainsley in Washington is three six zero nine zero too
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  Speaker 1: for one one one repeat, Governor Jay Insley, you know
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: what grow a spine? Do something, just anything, Governor j Insley.
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  Speaker 1: Repeat three six zero nine zero two four one one one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if you have to blow the whole
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  Speaker 1: office up. This girl is very likely dead thanks to defects,
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  Speaker 1: putting her back in harm's way. With two drug addled parents,
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  Speaker 1: she had a slim chance at happiness, and they snatched
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  Speaker 1: her away from that. Living in a dark cell under
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  Speaker 1: the stairs, barricaded in by a sofa, she would scream
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  Speaker 1: to get out until she passed out from exhaustion. Governor Insley,
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  Speaker 1: how can you stand by and do nothing? Are you
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  Speaker 1: like pontcous pilot? You just wash your hands and it's
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  Speaker 1: all over, and you could turn away and just go
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  Speaker 1: back to what you were doing. It's not that easy.
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  Speaker 1: Tip line if you know or think you know anything
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  Speaker 1: about Oakley three six zero five three three eight seven
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  Speaker 1: six ' five repeat three six zero five three three
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  Speaker 1: eight seven sixty five. There is a one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars reward for information. Jamie, Joe, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. I fear deeply that when you do see
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  Speaker 1: Oakley again, you will only meet in heaven. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: I hear that too. We stop now to remember an
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  Speaker 1: American hero, Deputy Sheriff Ned Bird Wait count Sheriffs North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: a US Air Force Vet Deputy Sheriff Bird survived by
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  Speaker 1: his beloved canine partner Sasha, and nephews Tyler Logan Gavin Kobe.
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  Speaker 1: An American hero Deputy Sheriff Ned Bird. End of Watch.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our guests, but especially to
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  Speaker 1: Oakley's real mom Jamie Jo Hiles, Nancy Grace signing off,
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend