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Gaza vs MAGA: Where are Millennial Protesters? · Boomer Has It!

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SPEAKER_00: Hello, Boomer.
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SPEAKER_00: How's it?
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SPEAKER_00: Hello, JB Miller.
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SPEAKER_00: We've all seen the political outrage from millennials and Gen Z on Palestinian rights and Israel's repeated atrocities in Gaza.
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SPEAKER_00: They've shot down Colombia and engulfed college campuses across the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: But where are they at anti-Trump marches?
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SPEAKER_00: The Trump administration, which is a party to Israel's actions in Gaza, has been causing damage and heartbreak to U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: residents and legal citizens in ice raids right now in their own country.
0:34
SPEAKER_00: And the sudden, brutal dismantling of U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: foreign aid will probably cause the lives of millions around the world.
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SPEAKER_00: Where are the young people for those protests?
0:46
SPEAKER_00: Today, we look at the millennials and Gen Z missing in political action.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm Jim Jelamis in London.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm JB Miller in London, and this is Boomer Hazard.
1:06
SPEAKER_00: This started off with anecdotal evidence, basically for me, who I've attended many protests since 2016, and but mostly concentrated since the 2024 election, where I see predominance of gray hair with signs in the cold, in their muddy shoes, walking across Washington, D.C.
1:31
SPEAKER_00: and New York City in various places across the country.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: It looks like baby boomers are showing up for protests against the Trump administration.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: But where's everybody else?
1:44
SPEAKER_01: Um well, we know where a lot of them are.
1:46
SPEAKER_01: They're on college campuses, they're at rallies for Palestinian rights, uh, anti-Israel rallies.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: That's what they show up for.
1:56
SPEAKER_01: They've been shaming people who uh aren't speaking out on this issue, but they are not showing up for for all these anti-Trump uh the other stuff.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: For the all for all the other stuff.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: There's plenty of stuff out there.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, why is this?
2:12
SPEAKER_01: You've you've looked into this and you have some hard facts to back up your anecdotal uh evidence, right?
2:18
SPEAKER_00: This comes right.
2:19
SPEAKER_00: So it isn't just anecdotal.
2:21
SPEAKER_00: This comes from you gov, you gov.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh the anti-Trump protests are anchored by older, suburban, institution-focused voters.
2:30
SPEAKER_00: Pro-Gaza protests are driven by young, racially diverse, campus-based activists, and they're often who are often critical of the political establishment.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: Overall, uh Americans under 30 are significantly more likely to sympathize with Palestinians.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: They're more racially diverse than their counterparts who are uh protesting MAGA.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: So the data is there.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: The question is, why?
2:58
SPEAKER_00: Is it because one of these causes has more merit than the other?
3:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm kind of baffled by this.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: Um I think that I would get in trouble for this.
3:10
SPEAKER_01: I'll get in trouble for lots of things.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: I find the the anti-Israel marches um a little performative.
3:16
SPEAKER_01: And I want to say right out that uh I am heartsick and outraged by the October 7th attack on Israel, and I'm heart, heartbroken and outraged at Israel's attack on Gaza.
3:28
SPEAKER_01: Two wrongs do more do not make a right.
3:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm surprised people take sides in this issue.
3:33
SPEAKER_01: They're both terrible, terrible actions.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: And I would go as far as to say that Israel's incursion into Gaza is a genocide.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: It's outrageous.
3:42
SPEAKER_01: And with the support of the US, specifically, I shouldn't even say the US, the Trump administration.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, so you know, I I'm I'm with them on this issue.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a it's a valid issue, but I think a greater issue for them is what the Trump administration is doing, and they are missing an action.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: And I I don't really know why they are missing an action, but it is clear that they that they are.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: It's puzzling to me.
4:12
SPEAKER_01: We we grew up uh when we were young, we remember a lot of um anti-Vietnam war demonstrations and rallies and marches, and they were young college-age students and teenagers were very involved in these marches because they were directly impacted by the Johnson and Nixon administration's policies because their own lives were at stake and they could have been drafted and killed for a war that they had no interest in and didn't agree with and didn't understand.
4:40
SPEAKER_01: Now, I think you could say, all right, these people who who are protesting Israel's actions in um in Gaza and the against the Palestinians, it's it's uh good that they are that they express empathy for people that that that they don't necessarily know directly.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: I would not go to uh uh uh one of these marches because I think it's I think a lot of them spill into uh anti-Semitism uh very easily, and I feel very uncomfortable in that.
5:08
SPEAKER_01: Um but there's plenty for else for them to if I were a teenager in my 20s or 30s, I would be at those anti-Trump uh marches with you.
5:18
SPEAKER_01: You know, you you've you've been to lots of them, and and you see some a lot of the same faces, um, and they're older faces, they're faces with wrinkles.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: They are boomers, our fellow boomers who have been politicized from a very early age.
5:34
SPEAKER_01: And I do think some of this uh pro-Palestinian stuff, it seems it seems kind of it seems kind of performative to me.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: There I think there's a little bit of virtue signaling, there's a a bit of public shaming.
5:47
SPEAKER_01: Recently, we've had this um case with uh the British singer um Ed Sheeran and the American um rap rapper McClellmore.
5:58
SPEAKER_01: Are you familiar with rap music?
5:59
SPEAKER_00: It's where they talk over a backbeat.
6:02
SPEAKER_00: Is that music?
6:03
SPEAKER_01: My god, no, there's some really good rappers, and I didn't know Macklemore.
6:07
SPEAKER_01: I understand um Ed Sheeran to a certain degree uh not engaging in anti-Trump rhetoric or or demonstrations.
6:16
SPEAKER_01: He's a visitor to the states, he can get into huge trouble, and it's not his country.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: Macklemore is American, he's got plenty of things to protest in his own country and the administration of his own people.
6:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, uh Macklemore or Mackless.
6:31
SPEAKER_00: He has an option, you know, he has the opportunity to to lift a Gaza flag in front of cheering fans, but you've you've observed that he actually scolded and shamed uh Ed Sheeran.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: He shamed Ed Sheeran publicly, so challenged him to come out uh politically with a Palestinian cause.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: Macklemore does not have um very a very good reputation.
6:55
SPEAKER_01: And he he he was photographed some years ago donning ridiculously um anti-Semitic garb and a Jewish stereotype with a big nose and a beard.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he apologized for that, but it uh shows I think he has a real strain of of anti-Semitism in him.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: And I think that more is his um, you know, his involvement.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: And he has donated, I think he publicly stated he's donated a million dollars to the um Palestinian cause.
7:25
SPEAKER_01: Um that's a very good thing if it's for you know medical or food.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's just go back for him on that.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: But let's just go back to the the anti-Semitic garb.
7:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was this was a several years ago, he was supposed to show up in disguise.
7:41
SPEAKER_00: He claims he randomly picked the big nose and the black hair.
7:45
SPEAKER_00: And we might even we might, if we were be to be generous, we'd say he would he naively got an outfit that happened to look like a Jewish stereotype.
7:56
SPEAKER_01: Do you believe that?
7:56
SPEAKER_00: Do you believe that I don't know enough about Nackelmore?
7:59
SPEAKER_00: I really don't, but I would say you mentioned the word genocide, which surprised me.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if you can call this incursion, this violent incursion, a genocide.
8:11
SPEAKER_01: Why not?
8:11
SPEAKER_01: This is a whole other pod issue.
8:13
SPEAKER_01: It's a whole other pod.
8:14
SPEAKER_00: But the question is when you say when you show up to a protest and you words like genocide and apartheid, I it sounds anti-Semitic to me.
8:26
SPEAKER_00: They're very pointed topic, they're very pointed terms aimed at the Jewish people.
8:31
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know I and I let and let me just continue if you don't mind.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh get don't get me wrong, the word genocide comes from the word gin genetic gene.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: I think of a you know, couple genocides in the 20th century.
8:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh, first one uh against uh Armenian people in in Asia Minor.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: From the Turks, who is by the Turks, and later we know what happened in World War II.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: These were this is ethnic cleansing of a specific minority based on their genetic makeup.
9:05
SPEAKER_00: Palestinians, I don't know.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: Palestinians are people who settled in that area for thousands of years, just like just like the Jewish people.
9:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it's calling it a genocide, it it's it sounds awfully convenient and a little bit mean.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: So I don't want to get into the subject about is is uh you know is it a genocide?
9:26
SPEAKER_00: Is it is the right term?
9:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, no, whether you know the protests are anti-Semitic.
9:31
SPEAKER_00: I've attended many and they sound anti-Semitic.
9:35
SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't like the term from the river to the sea.
9:37
SPEAKER_01: That's the that's uh extra sentence that's saying they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: It's very insulting to the Jewish people.
9:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's and it's used very liberally at these marches.
9:47
SPEAKER_00: I've heard it myself.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, that's not to say that the marches, the protests against the Gaza incursion, are are in um there are there are plenty of liberal Jewish people who attend these, by the way.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: So I think what we can all agree on is whether it's a a form of genocide or not, it's definitely an ultra-violent, asymmetrical attack on on the enclave.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh some data here.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
10:19
SPEAKER_00: If if we want to talk about the numbers, the Gaza Health Ministry, and before you anyone says, well, you can't trust the Gaza Gaza Health Ministry, they've tracked almost 74,000 casualties of men, women, and children, 174,000 injuries.
10:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh the Gaza Health Ministry has independent observers to help uh define those numbers, but you know, even if it's half, um, that's still a lot of innocent people lost uh to bombings, you know, in in the enclave.
10:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, why do you think this is a topic that seems much more uh current and immediate to, and I'm gonna shame them, millennials and generation Z, or as we call here in them here in England, Generation Z.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: Why are they missing in action in these Trump uh Trump marches?
11:11
SPEAKER_01: Where are you guys?
11:12
SPEAKER_01: Get with the system.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: It get against the system.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, you know, it's sorts we sort of have to act the ask a ridiculous question, I think.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: All right, what is that?
11:23
SPEAKER_00: Which protest has more merit?
11:25
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of a soapy's choice.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: Is it?
11:27
SPEAKER_01: It's why company protests both.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: That's my whole point.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: All right, all right.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: Well, okay, sorry.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: It's not, it's not either or it's both is both.
11:39
SPEAKER_01: And they're related, they are totally related.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: I did Israel is being supported by the, I want to say the US, I'll say the Trump administration.
11:47
SPEAKER_01: And then maybe I should even say Israel.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: I should, I should say Netanyahu, because I separate Netanyahu from Israel as much as I separate Trump from the US.
11:57
SPEAKER_01: People say they're anti-Israel because of this incursion into Gaza.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: Why don't they say they are anti-America, anti-USA for everything Trump's doing?
12:08
SPEAKER_01: That seems totally inconsistent to me.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's that's the point, is it it's almost as if there's a dividing line, a generational dividing line on where where or who we're supposed to protest and which which one has more merit to humanity.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: It's it are you protesting Gaza or do you protest the crimes, incompetence, cruelty happening in our own backyard?
12:33
SPEAKER_00: And I think you made an interesting point is that the USAID, which for those who have not looked at it lately, stands for the United States Agency for International Development.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: Defunding that organization is has and is expected to cause up to a million deaths per year.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: Um that's USAD is a is is a one of the primary tools of American soft power, right?
13:01
SPEAKER_00: So we say soft power, we're talking about U.S.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: influence in other countries based on goodwill.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's something Trump does not understand.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: This is not a hundred percent altruistic.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: It it's a great thing to do, it saves a lot of lives, and it exerts soft power around the world.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: It's just something Trump doesn't get, he doesn't understand.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: And very early in the second Trump administration, he he cut the say.
13:28
SPEAKER_01: That was all also um Musk.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: You remember Elon Musk was just cutting things, you know, front and up and center.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: It's a more lives are going to be lost per year than 10 Gazas, 100 Gazas.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: It's just, you know, where are your priorities?
13:45
SPEAKER_01: You can be against what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza, uh, but where are you on on USAID, on USA?
13:56
SPEAKER_01: That's a it's the numbers are are huge in that regard.
14:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, this is you know, this harks back to your question is why why Gaza and not MAGA?
14:07
SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of hard to put your finger on.
14:10
SPEAKER_00: I and I think because USAID is a little bit invisible.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: We're an estimate.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: It's abstract, it's something you don't see.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: We not only that, but Trump is unattractive.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: He's an unattractive man, he's a loudmouth.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: And I think there's something very a more attractive, more I hate to say this, social media worthy in what audiences see on their socials.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: Yes, they're seeing photographs uh of the destruction of Gaza.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: They're not seeing the death of millions in the third world and around and uh uh in Africa and the Far East from these cuts to to USAID.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: But it's it's there, it's happening.
14:56
SPEAKER_01: It's happening, but not just we see photographs of the ice raids, it's in your cities, guys.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: It's it's in your backyard, your front yard.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: Where are you on that?
15:06
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think there are some younger people uh protesting in cities, certainly in in Portland and uh maybe Chicago.
15:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that just just fashion and it's culture.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: I will I will think the other thing is it's like I said, it's abstract.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: 250 people have died in U.S.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: immigration, customs, customs enforcement actions, and custody.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: A few are U.S.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: citizens, and those deaths have gone uninvestigated.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: I think what that means is take it, take the you know, the human casualty aside, it's a violation of civil rights, due process, and that those are abstract concepts.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's hard for certain certain demographics to get their heads to get their heads around that.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: It's not an abstract notion when you see photographs of what the uh what ice ice ancients are doing.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: And there are you know, we've embodied camera uh video of the deaths in uh was it Chicago and where other I can't remember the cities, but you know, we've seen this.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: This is on the news, and then there's this should be a more rallying of Gen Z and millennials.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, there are millions of you guys.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: Where are you?
16:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah show up, so show up, guys.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: It's not um, you know, I think I think the uh maybe it's a that's a good question about the anti-war marches in the late 60s, early 70s.
16:37
SPEAKER_01: Did they stop the Vietnam War?
16:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, no, I don't know if they did.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: The Vietnam War was stopped uh finally by uh what Ford in 1973 or 74 or something like that.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, you make an interesting point.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you're not even aware of it, which is that uh when is it when when there are protesters in their 60s and 70s and older, that this action is is reflexive.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: They've done it in their youth and they and they know what to do, they know what to wear, they know to pack a lunch, they know all the chants and slogans that they can adapt for modern times.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: I've I've heard for people that I speak to constantly in their 20s or 30s that they don't know how to protest, they don't know what the first pragmatic steps are in organizing meeting friends, and how difficult finding a destination must be WhatsApp groups, there must be, you know, information online.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it wasn't complicated for you to find these well, very very patiently, that's what I said.
17:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and these are young people more conversant with the internet even than we old old age boomers are.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: They know how to find these these marches.
17:50
SPEAKER_01: It's just uh that's not much of an excuse.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: Do you think it's it's cultural, it's generational?
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, the I mean the other point is if if we're gonna compare different histories, the you know, the anti-war protest movement, everyone had skin in the game.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everyone attending a Crosby Stills Nash concert where they heard you know, sort of almost the equivalent of the Ed Sheeran Macomore uh debacle, where Crosby Stills Nash and Young were not bashful about talking about protests.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: Each of them, except for the Canadians in the group, yeah, were yeah, were were liable to be sent to Vietnam and die, and everyone in the audience was too.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: Grand Ash was English, but we're missing that.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Well, so it was just uh stills?
18:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, stills and and Crosby.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: Crosby are the only ones that 50%, half that group, but a lot of the backup uh all the engineer.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Um and let's just remind ourselves how many Americans died in that that action?
18:49
SPEAKER_01: 58,000.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, needlessly, that war did not uh they the whole whole point.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: I'll just give a one-sentence description explanation of the Vietnam War.
19:00
SPEAKER_01: The the the Kennedy administration were feared a domino effect if Vietnam went communist and it would spread communism throughout Southeast Asia.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: The North Vietnamese won that war and uh the Vietnam became communist and it did not spread uh it did not spread communism throughout Southeast Asia.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: The domino effect was nonsense, it did not happen.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: 58,000 Americans didn't have to die.
19:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many Vietnamese died, uh, thousands upon thousands.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: It was a horrible, it was a horrible tobacco.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: Getting back to Ed Sheeran, Ed Sheeran is English, he is uh a singer-songwriter.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, I would uh imagine most people who went to that concert did not uh expect or look forward to uh a Palestinian speech from from Macklemore.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was cheered.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they did expect it, and maybe they did cheer it.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: They they did, they cheered Malcolmore, but I mean I don't know how many of them cheered, and uh you know, and and who's gonna boo someone speaking up for stopping people being being killed?
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Sure, but it felt like naming names.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: I felt a bit um McCarthyist.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: This uh this this public shaming that seems performative to me.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: That seems virtue signaling, that seems unnecessary.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: He put Macklemore on his US tour, uh introducing uh his friend to the whole new audience, a larger audience, and this is the thanks he gives Ed Sheeran publicly shames him and damages the tour and his his reputation.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it just seems unfair to me.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: And I don't go to a concert to hear all his politics on the no political debates.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Why don't we create an alternate reality?
20:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay, what's what could Mackelmore have done that a little bit different?
20:58
SPEAKER_00: He could have had a completely non-sectarian concert, right?
21:04
SPEAKER_00: But based on the theme of this, you know, in consistent with the theme of this pod, what if he had a sign that said, get out and vote at the midterms this year?
21:14
SPEAKER_00: That would have been a different message.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: And I wonder what the reaction would be.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: Well, hold on, hold on.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: That you are phrasing this in a very uh apolitical manner.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: Because he's you're saying not a sign that said vote democrat um in the midterms, just get out and vote.
21:29
SPEAKER_01: It's no one can argue with that.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: That's what it is apolitical.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, good.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: You know that.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's he's the American, no, no, no.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: I thought although I would argue that people in the White House, people who are MAGA loyal and certain Republicans, would not like to see a uh a plea to get out and vote or any encouragement at all.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: They'd rather see the opposite.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: They'd rather rather you know a MAGA concert where the guy would come out and say, Don't vote in the midterms.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: Right.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, I'd be I'd be fine.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: That's a public service announcement.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: That's a PSA.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, how else could he have phrased it?
22:06
SPEAKER_01: He could have said, Um, I'm for Palestinian rights.
22:10
SPEAKER_01: My friend Ed Sheeran uh wants to remain neutral, and I respect that because he's not gonna say that, he's already publicly shamed wordy.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: It's a bit wordy, or or you know, then the new the new slogan that's emerged, I love it, and you know, we try not to use bad words um in this podcast, although you always break the reason.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh but it's a potty mouth.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: It's a it's two words and it's a verb for uh reproduction.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh the the phrasing is, and I see it all over, intercourse ice, but you use it use the F-word instead.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, but he could have said that.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: What if he had said that?
22:47
SPEAKER_01: What if he had a sign intercourse to bloody penguin?
22:50
SPEAKER_00: Yes, monkey python quote.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, intercourse ice.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's very um gracefully uh spoken.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, what if it was an anti-ice message?
23:01
SPEAKER_00: How would what would the consequences of that one be?
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SPEAKER_01: I I I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Is a concert the play is a public concert the place for this kind of this is just one of those alternate reality exercises, like the one where we imagine that JFK had never been assassinated.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, what okay, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Malcolmori, he looks a little like JFK, doesn't he?
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SPEAKER_00: Sort of looks a little kind of handsome, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: I didn't see the I don't see the I don't either.
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SPEAKER_01: I could so that's a point.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm not calling for non-palest pro-Palestina messages in favor of of anti-Trump messages from a concert stage.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying maybe leave the politics off the stage, but show up at the marches.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the place at an ice rate and film those guys, or or a Tesla takedown, which seems the Tesla takedowns, I think of all the protests that we've seen in the last 18 months, they've had successful results.
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SPEAKER_00: They pulled uh Musk out of the White House and you out of the public eye, be you know, in obeisance to the you know the board of directors at Tesla and the shareholders.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: I won't go down that road too much, but let's you know why are we all so sensitive and and and flipped out about a performer making a a political message?
24:17
SPEAKER_00: There was a time in America where all performers had political messages.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: Jimi Hendrix, Crosby Stills Nash, I Led Zeppelin were pretty, they were pretty apolitical, but I don't remember these.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you played the Star Spangled Banner in a very profane way.
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SPEAKER_00: Um Steppenwolf.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh think of all, you know, I um I we can go on and on about our fave our baby boomer music that was political because you know I ain't I ain't no senator's son, JB, but uh I don't know what you're taking.
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SPEAKER_01: And there was, you know, Neil's uh Neil Young's response to uh you know Southern uh Southern Man was his um singer-songwriter response.
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SPEAKER_00: And Leonard Skinnard had their revenge.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but no, that yeah, the though you're right.
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SPEAKER_01: Leonard Skinner was responsible Leonard Skinnard's um sweet home, Alabama was their political response to Neil Young's Southern Man.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: And they could safely make that after the so the this the Vietnam War was.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a better song, but anyway, I think uh although I'm against it politically.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh of the two of us, you're much more politically engaged than I am, and you have divested yourself.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: This is something I haven't done.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: You have divested yourself of Jeff Bezos's uh Amazon, and I and I have a tremendous respect for you on that.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: I I'm still an Amazon, uh, I still order stuff from Amazon.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: A quick, a quick plug for that, listeners.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's easy and fun to never use Amazon ever again, and that's another podcast.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: But this is practical help and information here, guys.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: It is, it really is, it really is.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: This is something you can do at home, uh, you know, watching this.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, you subscribe to the Boomer Has It podcast and you divest yourself of Amazon.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: These are two things you can do right now, and you'll feel great about it.
26:10
SPEAKER_00: You'll feel good about it.
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SPEAKER_00: I guarantee you will, but I'd love to solicit responses from listeners.
26:17
SPEAKER_00: Why you think the generations are split on their chosen protest, the chosen protest path?
26:27
SPEAKER_00: Why are the generations split and why can't we do both in solidarity?
26:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes, unified in a unified presence.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: If you are a millennial or Gen Zer, leave us a comment and explain why you haven't been showing up with Jim uh at these rallies.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Do you have a good answer to that?
26:47
SPEAKER_01: Why is the Palestinian cause more important to you?
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, we'd love to hear your comments.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: If you have anything to take issue with us, uh please do uh drop us a line.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: Jim, during your visit to me in England, what have you what are you going to miss when you go back to Brooklyn?
27:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, top line observations about the UK is uh groceries are less expensive.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of shocking because you think of London, you think of New York or Tokyo.
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SPEAKER_00: Expensive places, but it's cheaper here by a dollar per item.
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SPEAKER_00: I know that's very unscientific.
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SPEAKER_00: Berries, cheese, meats, vegetables, and God bless you all.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: The wine is so good and it's less expensive.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh the other the other thing I notice is you've got a a real great commitment to uh recycling.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: Recycling.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: They're good recyclers.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can go to the grocery store and recycle your your single-use plastic bags.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh now, where they go and whether it's actually uh you know efficacious recycling, we're not sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we have these buses that have two levels, they're two storied.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you recycle the bus.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: We take our buses take up the body.
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SPEAKER_01: But the old ones on top of the others, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Really impressive.
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SPEAKER_01: Great job.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks for uh checking in.
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SPEAKER_01: This has been Boomer Has It.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm JB Miller in London.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Jim Jelamis in London.
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SPEAKER_00: In London.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks, guys.
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SPEAKER_00: Bye.