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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden (2025) - COVID Protocols, Vaccines and the Truth · The Joe Rogan Recap

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Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. And before we get going, you can
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timeline and briefing document by clicking the link in the
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description. OK, let's unpack this deep dive
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our surf material today. It's a really interesting
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conversation. It's from a recent podcast
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features a well prominent host and a Doctor Who kind of found
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herself right in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic response
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unexpectedly. Right.
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And our mission here is really to pull out the key insights,
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the Nuggets of knowledge from what they talked about.
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We're looking at this one physician's personal story, you
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know, her experience with early treatment and the big challenges
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she says she ran into. Yeah, especially when her
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clinical observations, how she saw things, clashed with the
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established narratives and protocols that were coming down.
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It's definitely a specific viewpoint on the pressures
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doctors faced back then, and it touches on these complex forces.
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The doctor in this chat believes we're in play, maybe beyond just
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patient care. So we're essentially tracing her
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account, how her practice and even her whole worldview shifted
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under all that pressure. Absolutely.
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So the doctor we're talking about is Doctor Mary Tally
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Bowden. Background is ENT, ear, nose and
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throat. Ran her own solo private
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practice. And the timing, like you said,
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is pretty wild. She mentions opening this
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practice just six months, basically before the pandemic
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really hit. Talk about jumping straight into
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the fire. Seriously, from setting up a,
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you know, probably pretty routine ENT practice to suddenly
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being on the front lines of this massive global crisis almost
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overnight, according to her story.
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Right. And she talks about her initial
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approach very early on, treating patients with these new
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respiratory symptoms before there were really specific COVID
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protocols. She describes it as just using
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common sense medicine, treating symptoms, breathing treatments,
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antibiotics if she thought there was maybe a secondary bacterial
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thing going on, steroids too. And based on the conversation,
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she felt that worked pretty well initially, that symptom based
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approach, which makes sense. You know, early days doctors
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didn't have a playbook for this specific virus.
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So many were falling back on their basic clinical training.
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OK, so that initial success, she says, brought in more patients,
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but then came the bottleneck testing.
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She mentions labs like LabCorp being backed up for what like 2
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weeks at one point which was ages then.
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Yeah, a huge delay, but she already had a relationship with
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the lab called Microgen DX, apparently for testing related
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to chronic sinusitis in this lab.
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Microgen, according to the source, developed a saliva test
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for COVID. And that, she says, was a total
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game changer for her clinic. Much faster results, often the
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next day. Plus her clinic was in a strip
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mall. Easy access.
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So she could do drive up testing contact free.
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Yeah, she says that really put her clinic on the map locally,
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just because people could actually get tested quickly
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there. It's a neat little detail of
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adapting on the fly, nobly so Then monoclonal antibodies come
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onto the scene. She starts using them and the
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source really emphasizes how effective she found them.
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She uses this phrase like patients would often turn around
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the next day. Yeah, dramatic improvements and
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it. Yeah, right.
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Initially not that controversial.
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And clinically, she felt they were working wonders.
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But the conversation points out that access started getting
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tricky. Once the government took over
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distribution, things tightened up.
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And the reason given, according to the source discussion, was
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that the virus strain had changed, so the antibodies
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weren't effective anymore. Which she found, well, let's
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just say frustrating because as she points out in the chat, the
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same vaccine targeting what they were now calling an older strain
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was still being pushed. That discrepancy really bothered
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her. Yeah, from her perspective
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shared in the source, it felt inconsistent.
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And she expresses this belief, you know, that maybe restricting
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the monoclonals was partly about nudging people towards the
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vaccine. That's her take presented in the
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discussion. And that whole situation, she
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says, is what led her to look at ivermectin.
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When the monoclonals got harder to obtain, she felt her patients
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still needed treatment options. And she wasn't just going to,
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you know, send them away empty handed.
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Right. And the Ivermectin controversy
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as they discuss it in the source was just massive.
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Huge. But before she used it, she
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describes doing her own digging into the safety looking at FDA
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data, the LD 50, that lethal dose benchmark in animal
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studies, searching medical literature for reports of harm
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from overdoses in humans, intentional or accidental.
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And what she says she found was, well, pretty compelling to her.
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The LD 15 animals was way higher like 10 to 80 milligrams per
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kilogram compared to the tiny dose she planned for COVID like
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.4 MG kilogram and she couldn't find studies showing significant
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harm from human overdoses unlike say Tylenol which was mentioned
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as a comparison. So based on that research
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described in the source, she felt confident it was safe for
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humans at those intended doses. Then she started using it, and
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this is where her clinical observations as she presents
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them get really potent. She states she treated what over
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6000 patients with early treatment protocols that
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included ivermectin. And the headline claims she
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makes from that experience. 0 hospitalizations.
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Yeah, she states. None of those patients ended up
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in the hospital. Grow out of over 6000 treated
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early. It's a it's a remarkable claim
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presented there. Definitely.
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And she also talks about treating sicker patients later
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in the illness, people who actually refuse to go to the
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hospital. In those cases, she says she
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used a combination approach. Kind of threw the kitchen sink
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at them. She put in it, including high
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dose ivermectin. And even with those really sick
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patients, she claims she saw successful outcomes.
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She contrasts that approach tailoring treatment, the art of
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medicine she calls it, with what she saw as these rigid,
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one-size-fits-all protocols being pushed.
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And a huge part of the conversation revolves around
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what she and the host call the propaganda campaign against
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ivermectin. They really dive into this.
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Oh. Yeah, they bring up the FDA's
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horse tweet. You know, seriously y'all,
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you're not a horse. Right.
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And that Rolling Stone article? The source says it falsely
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claimed Oklahoma hospitals were overflowing with ivermectin
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overdoses, preventing gunshot victims from getting beds.
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And they point out, it apparently used a stock photo of
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people in winter coats for an article about Oklahoma in the
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summer. And the CNN segment where they
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apparently colored her face green.
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Yeah, they frame all this as a really coordinated effort to
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just brand it as horse dewormer. Despite, as they point out, its
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history of use in humans, Billions of doses, they say, for
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parasites. Nobel Prize connection.
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It's on the WH OS list of essential medicines.
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And they even mentioned a recent Vanity Fair piece still using
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that horse dewormer term, which they clearly find objectionable.
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So this intense negative messaging around a drug she felt
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was working clinically, that was a major theme.
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It LED both of them, the host and Doctor Bowden, to seriously
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question the motives of the institutions involved.
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And Speaking of the host Joe Rogan, his own pandemic
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experience, as he lays it out in the conversation, sort of
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mirrored hers in terms of causing a big shift in
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perspective for him. Yeah, he talks very openly about
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how he used to trust traditional medicine, the FDA, big Pharma.
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Pretty standard viewpoint, you know.
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But his own bout with COVID, plus just observing the overall
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response, he says it completely changed his worldview.
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He came to believe the system's compromised money ego.
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Those were the words he used. He mentions getting COVID
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himself, the delta variant, took ivermectin other stuff too and
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says he recovered really fast like 3 days.
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And the backlash he got for talking about that?
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Immense. He mentions calls for Spotify to
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drop him, even claims calls came from former presidents.
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But interestingly, he felt that whole firestorm actually grew
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his audience. People tuned in maybe expecting
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something crazy. And found him, in his words,
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really reasonable, just asking questions based on what happened
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to him. He credits people like speaker
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Robert Malone, who he identifies as an mRNA tech inventor, and
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Doctor Peter McCullough, described as highly published
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people who also got negative labels for speaking out.
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And his questioning went deep, right?
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Even questioning the definition of vaccines, suggesting mRNA
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shots or maybe closer to gene therapy.
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And highlighting that huge issue of indemnity for the
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manufacturers complete immunity from liability, they felt that
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removed a key incentive for ensuring safety.
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He also shared why he personally decided against the shot,
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mentioned AUFC allocation, getting pulled over, blood clot
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concerns and hearing stories from friends, strokes,
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pacemakers, even rapid cancer spread, according to his
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accounts in the source. Those personal anecdotes, as
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discussed, really cemented his skepticism.
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So yeah, parallel journeys in some ways both ending up
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questioning the mainstream narrative based on their
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experiences. OK, let's circle back to Doctor
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Baden's personal battles because of the source details some
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really significant challenges she faced, which she feels show
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what happened to doctors who didn't toe the line.
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She talks about getting tangled up with Houston Methodist
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Hospital. They were apparently one of the
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first in the US to mandate the shots right.
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And she says she questioned the vaccine data internally first,
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felt like she was being gas lit, and then decided to speak out on
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social media. And that's when, in her telling,
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the real trouble started. Medical board complaints rolled
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in. Yeah, from a pharmacist, the
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mother of a transplant patient. But the big one, the one still
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going on, involves a hospital in Dallas and a sheriff's deputy
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who died from COVID there. OK, so this situation as
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presented in the source sounds incredibly complex.
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The deputy's wife sued the hospital trying to get him
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ivermectin. Dr. Bowden says she was asked to
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get emergency privileges at that hospital to administer.
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It but she claims the hospital just stalled made her jump
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through hoops, lengthy application, surgical logs,
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recommendation letters, all during a pandemic when doctors
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were stretched thin. And ultimately, they denied her
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privileges anyway. Then there was a court order
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granting her temporary privileges.
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But when she sent a nurse with a court order, she says the nurse
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was actually turned away by police at the hospital.
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So the accusation that landed on her, according to the source,
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was that she sent a nurse without privileges, caused a
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disturbance and somehow harmed patients.
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And this case is still dragging on. 3 1/2 years later, she says
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summary judgement went against her, meaning found liable before
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a full trial. Basically, she's waiting on the
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punishment phase but plans to appeal.
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And she mentioned having trouble finding an expert witness
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willing to testify for her defense.
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She feels that says a lot about the pressure other doctors are
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under. Yeah, and she frames her
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experience not as unique, but as part of a wider effort, cites A
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directive from the Federation of State Medical Boards encouraging
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state boards to discipline doctors like her.
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Suggesting many others were effectively silenced by fear.
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Fear of losing their license, facing similar battles.
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So beyond the early treatment specifics, the conversation also
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dug into some other really significant issues that came up
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for them. Like vaccine injury for
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instance, they point out what they see as a gap.
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No official I CD10 code. You know, the standard
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diagnostic code to specifically track vaccine injuries.
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But there is one for vaccine hesitancy.
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They know which they find telling.
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They also talked about the CICP, that countermeasures Injury
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Compensation program. The source claims it denies
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something like 98% of applicants.
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And the few who do get compensation, the average payout
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is tiny, like $4000, according to their discussion.
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There were also anecdotal observations shared about
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potentially high spike protein antibody levels lingering years
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later, possibly correlating with injury and this idea.
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Maybe spike protein production doesn't always stop when it's
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supposed to. Hospital practices during COVID
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were another huge point of discussion in the source.
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Mention the suppression of monoclonals again, but for
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hospitalized patients this time. And claims about ventilator use
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being driven rigidly by oxygen saturation numbers, maybe not
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always by looking at the whole patient clinically.
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Plus this really striking claim about breathing treatments like
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inhaled bootsinide. They claim hospitals forbade
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them, fearing they'd spread the virus aerosols.
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Even though doctors like Richard Bartlett were apparently seeing
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good results in advocating for them, only to be smeared,
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according to the. Source And then there were those
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really disturbing claims the host brought up.
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Source to charts Doctor Bowden apparently reviewed allegations
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of possible euthanasia in hospitals.
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Yeah, those were heavy claims alleging patients given high
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doses of morphine, insulin even with no pain or normal blood
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sugar leading to death and DNR order is being put in place
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without consent. Really serious allegations
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presented in their conversation. Definitely serious and they
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touched on legal hurdles too. The PRP act making it hard to
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sue hospitals or doctors related to COVID care.
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Though they did express some hope from specific lawsuits
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challenging hospital protocols or the whistleblower case
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against Pfizer involving Brooke Jackson, where there are claims
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of DOJ interference reported in the source.
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And underlying a lot of this, in their view, money and power.
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Yeah, the idea that money distorts medicine companies
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funding studies can very inconvenient data.
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They suggest that the whole system, media organizations can
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be compromised. They also briefly touched on
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some other related controversies that came up organically in
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their chat. Things like questions about
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fluoride and IQ. Right and re examining vaccine
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timelines against sanitation improvements, the whole polio
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DDT discussion came up. Also the obesity crisis, linking
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it to processed foods, seed oils, questioning healthy at any
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weight messages. And even future worries about
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AI, manipulation of information, zero click surveillance, eroding
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privacy, sort of broader societal trust issues
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intertwined with health. Looking back at Doctor Bowden's
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personal journey as she shared it, it sounds like a profound
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transformation. She describes herself as
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naturally shy, hated public speaking, but her experiences
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basically forced her into becoming a public voice.
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And she found a community. She says other doctors, other
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outsiders who are also speaking out, found support there.
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But the toll sounds immense. Exhaustion, fear, the constant
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legal and professional stress. Yet she also talks about a sense
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of freedom from speaking her truth and feeling she's grown
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immensely as a doctor because of it all.
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But the flip side, as they discuss, is this undeniable
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erosion of trust for many people.
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Trust in the medical profession, trust in hospitals.
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That's a clear theme emerging from their perspective.
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And looking forward, there's definite concern voiced in the
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conversation about new mRNA shots in development, including
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some they called terrifying, like self amplifying ones
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designed to potentially replicate longer.
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But not all doom and gloom. They do see hope.
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Hope in lawsuit potentially bringing accountability.
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Hope in politicians, albeit slowly starting to speak out.
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They mentioned an organization, Americans for Health Freedom,
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tracking politicians willing to say the shot should be pulled.
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So the fight continues. Is the message keeping the
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conversation alive, pushing for accountability?
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They really highlight this split they saw during the pandemic
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compliant doctors versus non compliant doctors and how that
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dictated who faced these kinds of pressures.
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Well, this deep dive really took us through one specific detailed
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account from this conversation, one doctor's intense journey
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through the pandemic years. It highlights this complex mix.
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She described clinical practice versus institutional rules,
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media narratives, and the background hum of money and
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power and influencing things. Yeah, we heard about the
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challenges as she saw them, when what you observe in your
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patients seems to contradict the official guidance, the personal
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cost of choosing to speak out about that, and the ripple
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effects they discussed for public trust in medicine.
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What's really presented here is how personal conviction, backed
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by what she saw as positive clinical results in her own
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research, LED her into direct conflict with some very powerful
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forces. So connecting this back to the
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bigger picture that emerged from their talk, it really leaves you
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with a question, doesn't it? Given all the challenges
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discussed in this one conversation, the information
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battles, the conflicting incentives they perceived, the
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doubts raised about institutions we used to just trust, how do
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you, the listener, navigate this incredibly complex landscape of
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health information today? Where do you even begin to
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decide where to place your trust?