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Flash Gordon (1980) · Citizen Frame

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  I'm a princess of the blood, Clytus My father will have your head for this I
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  swear He'll execute your whole perverted secret police force I demand to see
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  him With pleasure Father The traitor is close to confession,
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  your majesty Should we stop the torture?
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  No Father! Damn you, father! Hi everybody, welcome back to another exciting
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  episode of Citizen Frame.
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  We decided we're going to tackle a couple more before we hit Halloween month. Halloween month, wow.
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  Christmas month. Maybe because I wish it was Halloween month.
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  Yeah, fucking Christmas month. I hate Christmas, so that's why I was changing it to Halloween.
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  Well, by the time we get into Christmas month and some of the shit have lined
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  up, we really will wish it was Halloween month.
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  And some good stuff, including the Hallmark movie you picked.
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  Yeah, I know. So don't you? That was a pretty good deal in that. Yeah, I know.
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  All right, so we're going to pepper a couple of sci-fi B-movies that came out.
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  Well, yeah, it is a B-movie. It's B-movie and certainly it's delivery,
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  but I would say quite a big budget was thrown at us, and it was released. $20 million.
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  I guess back then $20 million was a lot. Oh, definitely. But back in the late
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  70s, early 80s, especially with Star Wars taking off, you had these spin-offs,
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  not spin-offs, but these kind of copycats coming through.
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  Now, the funny thing about this is we talked about Lucas before and how I like the guy.
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  I'm not going to dismantle his work. He's a creative genius.
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  He has to be for what he's created in the industry with THX and Lucasfilm and
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  Skywalker Sound and yada, yada, yada, industrial light and magic.
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  But that's behind the scenes kind of stuff. And, but Star Wars,
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  as we talked, as we talked about, I think it was Lord of the Rings.
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  The Hobbit, he borrowed from The Hobbit and another series of novels.
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  And I can't remember what it was.
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  Well, there's like the Seven Samurai and stuff in there. You know,
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  there's a lot of stuff going on there.
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  But also the, you know, the old sort of Saturday morning serials,
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  like we're about to talk about, like Flash Gordon. That's, yeah.
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  And that's what I want to, that's why I bring this up. he wasn't going to make
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  Star Wars. He was trying to get Flash Gordon made.
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  And then there was a rights thing.
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  It was up for bidding or something like that. And Lucas dropped out.
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  I don't know the whole story. I could be wrong, but something like that.
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  And so he decided to create Star Wars. Now, when I watch Flash Gordon,
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  like we did with The Lord of the Rings and other similarities of what Star Wars...
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  What was the film we talked about that was almost mirror image to Star Wars? Stern.
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  But it came out before... dune that was it dune is basically star wars for adults.
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  Yeah, okay, that's what I was thinking of. But I'm telling you right now,
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  he definitely took Flash Gordon and put it in Star Wars.
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  Oh, he openly admits that, I think. And we'll go over it.
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  Pardon? He openly admits that, that he was inspired by the Saturday morning serials. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I'm not saying he's a thiever. Raiders of Lost Ark was like that,
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  too. That was me. Yes. That was me. I mean, Luke is created raiders.
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  So you also have, that was based on old classic serials.
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  Yeah. The Lone Ranger and so forth. But the Flash Gordon, you'll see a lot of similarities.
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  You have Sky City, which looks just like Cloud City.
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  You've got Indoria, I think it's called, which looks just like Dagobah.
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  And these kingdoms were created back in the 30s and 40s, way before Dagobah
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  and Cloud City came about.
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  So you can see a lot of similarities within the comic to Lucas's vision of Star
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  Wars. Yeah. You see it in Flash Gordon.
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  Yeah, by the way, as we're talking Flash Gordon, I've also seen the original
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  series, sorry, serials, because they were repeated on the school holidays here
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  in the UK back when I was a kid.
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  So I have seen quite a lot of the early Fleiss Gordon serials with Buster Crabbe,
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  and they're fun, you know? Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I believe that this very much keeps in the spirit of them and the comic
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  strips and stuff, intentionally so.
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  Yeah you'll get that a lot we the couple I mean a couple of films that have
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  been made in the recent in years thanks to the success of Raiders you got a
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  lot of these serial movies getting remade Rocketeer would be a good example
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  that was based on a serial yeah a serial.
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  And then you had National Treasure in recent years,
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  I don't think National Treasure would be that. Well, it would certainly have
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  been inspired by Indiana Jones.
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  Yeah, but yeah, the spinoff, the spinoff.
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  But serial would be like Lone Ranger recently came out. This is actually done a couple of times.
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  But they had all these films, these short films and serials and so forth.
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  And Fox Gordon. Actually, it was initially a comic book. It was a comic book.
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  It was a comic strip, actually, 1934 is when it was created.
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  And then it went on to do the serials and so forth and then probably I think
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  it had a couple TV shows and stuff Buck Rogers as well,
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  Buck Rogers would be up there all that kind of cool stuff and I love Buck Rogers,
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  we should do that movie too, Buck Rogers Yeah well there was a made for TV movie
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  and then the series, yeah,
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  No, the movie was the movie that was a big, that was a movie movie I think it
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  was only released on TV here, I don't know, I would have to double check that
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  but I know there was a series based on it,
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  I remember the movie seeing it in the theater. Right. Okay, yeah.
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  And then Tweaky. Didn't know that. Tweaky, the robot.
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  Beedee, beedee, beedee, beedee. Tweaky. And they had that sort of Hawkman as well.
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  And obviously, you know, Gil Bellows, is it you call him? Who played Buck Rogers?
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  Gil Gerard. Gil Gerard. Yeah.
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  But yeah. You're thinking of Gil Bellows from Shawshank Redemption.
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  Right, yes, yes. And Alan Beal.
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  Yeah. But I remember watching the Buck Rogers TV show from the late 70s.
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  I would have watched it in the 80s, repeats on ITV on Saturday evenings,
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  around the same time that the A-Team and stuff would have been shown that sort
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  of slot back then in the 80s.
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  And yeah, it was a really fun series. I like it a lot.
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  When I watched this Flash Gordon and I looked up and researched the older series,
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  the old serials and stuff, you could see a lot of TV shows taken from Flash Gordon.
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  Oh, definitely. We talk about old Marvel comics and DC comics and how different ideas came from those.
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  But you definitely see it, including your show, Doctor Who.
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  Oh, yeah. And Star Trek, Space 1999, all this kind of stuff.
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  You can really see it through Flash Gordon.
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  Absolutely. Yep, the Buster Crab serials. Yep, totally. Before we start.
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  I was corrected. I'm quite right too.
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  You know what? Go fuck yourself. First of all, our last podcast,
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  we got some pretty fun reviews on that one, especially with the Frankenhooker.
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  But I was corrected in Guillermo del Toro and then pronunciation of his name.
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  Well, according to this listener, I believe her name is Annette.
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  Correct, yes. Said in the Spanish language, two L's together is pronounced as a Y.
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  So it's actually Guillermo del Toro.
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  That's exactly my thoughts. Yes, I agree.
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  My apologies. I'm not bilingual. Yeah, well, you should be. If you're going
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  to do a film review podcast, you have to have a basic grasp of several languages.
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  Oh, hey, let me ask you, the two Corys, what's their names again that were in
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  the Lost Boys? Corey Feldman, Corey Kiem.
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  I get the name correctly. The one time you pronounce Corey Feldman's name right,
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  you always say Fieldman.
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  I pronounce him correctly.
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  I'm right and everybody else is wrong, essentially. That is an ignorant look.
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  I'm classy. I admit when I'm wrong. Well, I want you to humbly apologize to both Guillermo.
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  That's not Guillermo. It's Guillermo.
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  Guillermo. God, get it right, man. I would like you to apologize to Guillermo
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  and also Annette, our listeners. Yeah.
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  I would like you to humbly apologize. And to me, just generally.
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  No, just go fuck yourself. You can go fuck yourself. That's a given.
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  Anyone knows that's not happening.
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  But to Anit, I apologize for the mispronunciation of Guillermo.
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  That was a good one, Anit. Yes. I'm in trouble. And that, send him a hit mail or something. Yeah.
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  I'll just put him with the rest. I just put him with the rest. Add to the collection.
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  Including all the letters I get with all the white powder coming out of it. Yeah. Cocaine, is that?
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  That's an old reference from the anthrax attack that happened a few years back. Oh, yes, yes.
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  Okay, we're back. Flash Gordon, here we go.
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  Movie cost $20 million, give or take. Made about $27 million.
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  Wasn't the big hit they wanted to, but man, did this movie find this footing.
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  You know, we talked about cult films, and they really, really were really in
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  the 80s. This is definitely one of them. This is actually quite beloved.
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  I think what happened was the ironic twist of the story is that with Star Wars
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  being such a huge hit, Blast Gordon got lost in the shuffle.
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  Not necessarily people didn't want to see it. They just didn't appreciate it
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  because they wanted Star Wars,
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  and they wanted that kind of extravaganza and
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  that kind of execution but they weren't
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  ready for the camp sci-fi is kind of what you got with flash gordon there's
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  a certain irony how star wars was based in part on flash gordon and then due
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  to the success of star wars we then got the flash gordon film but then it didn't
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  do as well as star wars there's a certain weird irony there yeah and,
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  It's funny because when I'm about to go over the cast here and the director,
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  it's a pretty impressive group that got here. Yes.
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  And led by the great Max von Sydow.
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  But, yeah, and they had Battle Beyond the Stars, Metal Storm, Space Hunter.
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  We talked about Buckaroo One's Eye. There's the one as well with the Hoff and
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  Caroline Monroe. Is it called Starcrash or something?
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  Don't know that one. Don't know that one. No, no, there is.
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  It's the Hoff. It's an Italian made Basically Star Wars Lift David Hasselhoff
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  And Caroline Monroe It's called Star
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  Christ or something like that David Hasselhoff, there's a winner Well,
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  Knight Raider Baywatch Come on Remember Baywatch Knights Now we're just going
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  down to the B list Come on Baywatch Knights,
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  I mean that was whenever it got serious And he was also a private detective Mitch Buchanan.
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  But no, I love Knight Rider Jesus Christ, you know his fucking bio Jesus I watched
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  a lot of shit TV as a kid And great TV as well I must say,
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  Now, the one thing that was a big instant success for this film was Queen.
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  Queen obviously does the score and the soundtrack for the film. Iconic.
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  It is iconic. It's the reason why they went on to do Highlander.
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  Now, the reason I didn't like Highlander, the movie, A, bad choreography, bad everything.
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  Didn't like Highlander at all. But I felt the soundtrack disturbed the scenes
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  of the film. And I felt it was out of place.
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  I did not like, I like the sound. I like them, the band, but I didn't like the
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  soundtrack implemented into these.
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  But it works here because they're not it's just more of the score rather than
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  them singing and it works better here and I think.
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  That's why they did it for Highlander because they're trying to do the same
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  thing get the same magic now it clearly works a lot of people do like it but
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  I thought it was a distraction but it works here,
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  it's a kind of magic but you know there's a great winning sequence here with
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  Flash Gordon with the comic strips and the Queen soundtrack you know the whole
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  Flash just, and you know, the names coming up the credits. I think it's fantastically done.
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  Yeah, I really liked that. I had that on my notes. I really do enjoy that the
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  credits, really good, those haunting little tribal score in the beginning of
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  it when Ming is attacking Earth.
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  And then you've got the credits all done with old comic book strips and new and old artwork.
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  Yeah. The series. Now, this is directed by Mike Hodges. Mike Hodges has got
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  some incredible titles to his name.
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  Trevor Leman, Get Carter, my favorite, A Prayer for the Dying.
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  They want to see a film. Bob Hoskins and Mickey Rourke. It's fucking awesome.
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  He was the original director for The Omen 2, but was fired three weeks into it.
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  He shot the factory scenes and the military scenes. So, he took his name off the credits.
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  So, I went to Don Taylor, I think, and finished that film.
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  I still really like Omen 2 I think it's great I think it's a good film we got
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  DP here Gilbert Taylor just give you some of his street creds Star Wars The Omen and Dracula 1979,
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  three pretty good powerhouse films there for this DP and then we got the FX
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  Supervisor now a lot of people might think this is cheese but I think the effects
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  are fucking wonderful I love they're gorgeous I love exactly they're gorgeous
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  the matte painting the backdrops the models the paints everything about it But
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  you can tell about these names right now I'm about to give you.
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  George Gibbs was the FS supervisor on this, and these are his titles. Just a few of them.
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  Brazil, Temple of Doom, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Alien 3, and Superman.
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  Yeah. I mean, just back to these effects and the visuals here.
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  I love how they capture that old retro sort of 1930s science fiction comic strip look.
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  Yeah. I think it looks gorgeous. It does. It's beautiful. You'll see that in Dracula 79.
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  That's why I kind of brought that up. It's my favorite version of Dracula.
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  Guys, if you want to see it, we'll definitely get to it sometime.
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  Dracula 79, and that was Albert Whitlock who did the mat for that.
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  But yeah, you have a very, it's clever because the film, we're going way ahead
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  of ourselves because I still got to talk about the other stuff, but who gives a fuck?
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  It does. You're right. It plays like the time era.
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  It was created in the 30s and 40s, but at the same time, upgraded to a more
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  of a modern look at the same time.
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  It almost has a Metropolis feel to it as well.
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  Yes. And any of the 50s sci-fi B movies, even a little Ed Wood,
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  not as incompetent as our boy Ed Wood, but you'll kind of get what I'm saying. if you see the film.
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  It's a weird fusion of, you know, like late 70s, early 80s disco with the 1930s
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  retro feel, a bit of the 50s in there as well.
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  But in terms of visually, it really does work for me anyway.
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  Before we get into the film, it's only been about 16 minutes.
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  Let's get a little rumor out of the way.
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  Our boy Sam Jones, I like Sam Jones. Seems like he's got a good head on the
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  shoulders. Didn't really have a career after this.
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  Technically, not because of the film itself, mainly because of his,
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  I think, his agent. There's a really good documentary out there called Life After Flash.
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  And it is about how Sam Jones, when you do a film, you have to be available
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  for ADR, which is- Promotion?
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  Dialogues will be recording. Oh, yeah. If something didn't pick up the mic or
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  whatnot, The actors have to go into a studio and record their dialogue.
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  And so Sam Jones refused to go back to do these dubbings.
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  And for a contract dispute, he wanted more money. Now, rumor is,
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  Sam Jones tells us that his agent got greedy.
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  And Sam Jones is new to the business. He felt he'll hold out.
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  Well, the studio called his bluff and hired an impersonator called Peter Marinkner
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  to go in and do his dialogue.
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  And to this day he never actually went back to
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  do it i thought he would have gone back to re-record it just
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  for you know to go back
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  to his his work and with
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  4k and all no never went back so this is not sam jones's voice some of it might
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  be but yeah some of it is yeah yeah well you don't fuck with gina de laurentis
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  the guy was god back then he was the king of producing and you just don't do it.
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  And to Dino DeLantra's credit, he's right.
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  You signed a contract. Now you want more money. We're already over production value as is.
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  And so, no, it's too bad. And Sam Jones never bounced back from that.
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  He says it pretty much destroyed his career.
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  But it's a good documentary, Life After Flash. You guys check it out.
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  Yeah, I haven't seen it yet.
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  It probably would have given him a bad reputation within the sort of film industry,
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  you know, where, yeah, basically he was perceived as being a diva.
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  So it gave him a bit of a bad reputation and he never really bounced back.
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  I know he's quite big on the convention circuit now he's
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  doing a lot of conventions and stuff and talking about Fleiss and his days are
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  and stuff and yeah I mean in terms of his performance here it is what you'd
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  expect from a you know this type of sort of campy film but he looks the part,
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  he certainly looks the part,
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  Alright let's jump into that on that note we got Sam Jones who's Flash Melody
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  Anderson as Dale Arden Max von Sydow is Ming Topo plays Dr.
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  Zarkov Timothy Dalton Prince Baron Ornella Malti still looks beautiful today
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  Has done so many Italian films She plays Princess Ora,
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  I call her horny Brian Blessed Plays Prince Valtan You got Steen Steeler Sorry,
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  just stop there Brian who?
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  Blessed It's Brian Blessed It's not Brian Blest B-E-B-L B-L-E-S-S-E-D It's pronounced
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  Blessed Brian Blest No it's not It's blessed, that's how you spell it.
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  No, but it's pronounced I don't care Everybody knows that Fuck him,
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  I'm renaming him His name is Brian Blest,
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  Well, you're wrong. Gordon's alive. Praise Prince Fulton.
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  You got Scene Stealer, as I was really interrupted. Jesus fucking Christ.
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  Peter Wingard, who plays Klytus. Yes.
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  A little cameo by Witcher O'Brien we all know from Rocky Horror.
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  Crystal Maze as well. He's Fico? Fico? Fico? Fico? I don't know.
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  He's basically one of the people on Timothy Dalton's jungle planet.
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  He's from Dagobah, you know, yeah.
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  But I always liked Richard O'Brien. All right. You know, Crystal Mews and stuff.
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  Some of the players are made for the film. Some of the players are based on
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  real characters or characters based on the original material.
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  Flash Gordon, obviously, that is a real character.
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  Dale Arden is Flash's love interest in the comics. Maggie Merciless is the main
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  villain. Dr. Sharkov is the brilliant silentist.
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  Prince baron is the ruler
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  of a borian kingdom and prince voltan is the
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  leader of the hawk man these characters do exist
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  the ones that do not princess aura ming's daughter chidus the high rank in general
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  general general kala and fico nuro and zogi the high priest these were all made
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  up just for the film so there you go people you learned something today fuck
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  i know everything We learned from it.
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  Anyway. I do love the opening. And so, and the great thing about it,
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  you got the back dot, you got the over speak with what do you call it?
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  With Clytus and Ming. And they're talking, oh, look at this planet.
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  We're going to destroy it. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. And they're hitting an earthquake.
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  They're hitting a volcano.
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  And it's just so campy and comic book-y, isn't it?
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  Oh, yeah. And I would also say, it's always niggled me that I'm on the planet
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  Mongo, that they speak English, but they've also got big buttons in English
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  on their spaceship that say an earthquake, hot hail,
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  you know, volcano, all this sort of thing. Yeah. Okay, so they're not going to mark them?
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  Well, yes, but in English, that's what I'm sort of, you know. Do you speak English?
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  Yes, but it's always, you know, in a distant, distant planet,
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  the planet Mongo, why would they speak English?
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  Maybe it's a universal thing. Oh, no, that's the last question.
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  I'm not going to. It's always bugged me.
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  I do like the fact when they hit the hot, they do, when we were,
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  they hit the hot hail button and we, we go to the plane where Flash and,
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  and Dale is, is, are going to fly together. and the hot hail hits for like a half a second.
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  And then you see it burns in the ground and that's it. So just done.
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  It's like, oh, well, that's it. That's the hot hail. That's it.
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  Jesus. Poundland hot hail. That's it. I mean, got it from Poundland.
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  The problem is they probably had to quickly budget and then they changed the
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  hot hail to the falling moon rock that we're about to get.
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  Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Why is Dale traveling on the plane with flight?
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  It's never really explained I think it would have been better to make her a
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  reporter or something She's a travel agent Oh she's a travel agent Well she's
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  on a plane, she's a travel agent, I guess that makes sense.
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  She's also a ninja travel agent later on She busts a few moves This is the best
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  Yeah exactly They're in love like the minute they fucking get into Ming's world
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  And it's so fucking funny What is it he says?
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  I saw you at the hotel and I asked such and such who you were oh really Flash?
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  That's what I would get if I said that to a woman I'd be slapped in the face
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  and arrested yeah you'd be called
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  the creepy stalker and she's oh Flash oh did you you know type thing,
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  basically the character of Dale is an idiot so she says I much prefer Princess
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  Ora and let's just say Princess Ora back in the day certainly raised a few pulses and probably still does.
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  I love when they I do love the scene when the plane crashes it's literally a
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  model you know it is I think this is really scary what?
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  I'm serious. I was always, as a kid, and even as an adult, I always was a bit
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  freaked out by the Earth being destroyed.
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  I know it's all done with sort of, like you said, the models and stuff like that.
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  But just the whole concept of even the moon crashing towards Earth and the fact
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  that it's daytime. Excuse me. It's the moonfall.
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  This is better. This is much better. Wait a minute.
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  You said this scared you even as an adult? so when you watched this a couple
• 23:44
  days ago you were frightened that we were going to be attacked?
• 23:47
  Like I wasn't covering all the sort of blankets type thing but the whole concept
• 23:53
  I think is pretty freaky actually to be honest the whole concept of the earth
• 23:58
  being destroyed in that manner yeah?
• 24:01
  Yes? I mean it wasn't terrified it's not
• 24:04
  the exorcist but I just the
• 24:06
  whole concept I think is weird and creepy so hot hail
• 24:10
  and moon rocks frightened you
• 24:13
  just recently the earth being destroyed the earth
• 24:16
  being destroyed like in that manner and i i find it quite disorientating the
• 24:20
  whole it being daytime but it being dark i there's just something weird and
• 24:25
  creepy about it you know obviously you know terrified i didn't have nightmares
• 24:29
  i didn't lose any sleep but i just i find it i find it surreal and creepy.
• 24:35
  So do you watch deep impact did you shit your pants,
• 24:38
  No, I mean, that's, this is much better. It was just a whole,
• 24:41
  it's just a whole, it's the, and then they end up in like this woody,
• 24:45
  this weird sort of space scape and, you know, all the colors and stuff.
• 24:48
  I do like that. It's just something quite sort of disoriented.
• 24:51
  I do like that. I know it's great.
• 24:52
  I do like that black hole thing when they go in that black hole and when they're
• 24:56
  in that ship. And I do love his ship.
• 24:58
  Again, it's almost like it's really modernized model fly, but you don't see
• 25:05
  the strings, you know, but it's.
• 25:08
  It's retro sort of modernism type thing. Yeah, that's the perfect way to describe it.
• 25:12
  I love it. And they go through these different colors, going through different galaxies and shit.
• 25:16
  It's very trippy. It's pretty cool. Yeah, it's very trippy and freaky.
• 25:20
  And again, whenever I'm saying that it's all sort of freak mutant type thing,
• 25:25
  I'm saying that in a complimentary way.
• 25:26
  I think it's really well done visually and all the rest, but there's just something
• 25:31
  very disorientating and freaky about it.
• 25:34
  Again, I mean that in the best possible way. it works I liked it because it
• 25:39
  was good looking you were freaking out that's cool,
• 25:43
  wow not in the way you were thinking flash gourd made you shit your pants that's
• 25:48
  okay because those evil moon rocks and hot hail that would do it,
• 25:53
  there's a few parts later on that would make people shit their pants especially
• 25:56
  modern days but for different reasons so.
• 26:03
  I do love when they capture them.
• 26:06
  And they literally have handcuffs.
• 26:10
  Their hands, they cuff them.
• 26:14
  Yes, and then he plays American football with them. Oh, my God.
• 26:17
  The Queen. Yeah, and then you've got the all-seeing eye, that's a little pain in the ass.
• 26:22
  Yeah. And I love my favorite characters are the lizard man. All it is is a really bad plastic mask.
• 26:29
  Yeah, and then there's the wee sort of midget, sort of the little guys here.
• 26:34
  Little man, you don't see midget now anymore, man. That's really sad.
• 26:38
  Well, okay, Mr. PC. I would never disrespect him.
• 26:43
  Little people. The little guys. They're wearing basically tinfoil and they're
• 26:49
  bouncing about and Bram Blessed is beating the guards over the head with his
• 26:52
  mallet or whatever it is.
• 26:54
  And it's just very, it's pure camp.
• 26:57
  So it is, but at the same time, very entertaining.
• 27:00
  It's good fun. This film has its tongue completely in its cheek and you're going
• 27:07
  along with the ride. I think that's what works.
• 27:08
  I don't think people got that back then.
• 27:12
  Even Star Wars was a little camp, but in the 80s, it really camped up.
• 27:17
  And we'll talk about that with our next film, Battle Beyond the Stars.
• 27:20
  Yeah. But there's a difference between camp and then camp with tongue in cheek.
• 27:26
  And I also think this is more self-aware. They understand we have,
• 27:31
  you know, you have all these experienced trained actors.
• 27:36
  Timothy Dalton? Well, no, you do. The guy plays Clytus.
• 27:40
  But you have Max von Jindal and you do have Timothy Dalton who's a great actor
• 27:46
  you don't like Timothy he's good right you've got you know you got Tupple he's
• 27:51
  the guy from Fitted on the Roof,
• 27:53
  so you've got you know good cast here and you got Sam Jones yeah God love him
• 27:58
  but he's a fish out of water here but he's there to play the muscle man and that's what he does.
• 28:05
  But the film knows it's winking at the audience the jokes actually do play quite well.
• 28:11
  The problem I have with a lot of these camp films, we talked about Frankenhooker,
• 28:16
  the jokes just didn't land and they got too old too quick.
• 28:19
  With this one, the jokes are, it's quite well written and quite funny.
• 28:24
  You're in with the joke. You're in with the joke with it.
• 28:27
  It's pure pantomime and you're in on the joke and you're running with it.
• 28:32
  You're laughing with it, not at it.
• 28:34
  Exactly. Yes. Yeah, well, so we meet the gang.
• 28:39
  Oh, Zarkov, by the way, real genius he is. They're walking, and they know this
• 28:44
  eye, you see and hear everything, and it talks because he just killed Lizard Man.
• 28:50
  Zarkov goes, and not quietly, don't worry, guys, I have a gun in my pocket.
• 28:57
  We just have to take out the main guy. We'll be okay. And then the eye just takes away the gun.
• 29:05
  But Zarkov is a bit sort of deranged anyway. I mean, even the whole,
• 29:10
  like, you know, before they get on the rocket.
• 29:12
  And I know he's like a genius. He's like a Matic-centric genius because he's
• 29:15
  the only one who worked it out. And actually everything here,
• 29:17
  the invasion of Earth, is actually his fault.
• 29:20
  Because Ming states later on that if they hadn't have noticed him,
• 29:24
  if planets don't notice him, he usually leaves them alone.
• 29:26
  But because Zarkov is such a genius and did notice and wanted to go into space
• 29:30
  and defend Earth, basically he's the cause of all of the destruction.
• 29:35
  But then he also has his, like, his sidekick, Gunpoint, and Flash and Dale as
• 29:40
  well. You know, get on the rocket, you know.
• 29:44
  Yeah. Yeah. That's Zarkov for you. That's a mad eccentric genius for you.
• 29:50
  I'm piggybacking on our Victor Frankenstein. Well, this is it.
• 29:54
  Yeah. The ego as well. Well, night and day.
• 29:59
  Yeah, there's a great scene where, where a shot where Flash is staring,
• 30:03
  is smiling at Yora, right? He's like, hmm, yeah.
• 30:06
  And then Dale goes, excuse me, do you remember me? Like, we've been together five minutes.
• 30:13
  She's already clinging. They haven't even kissed. I know.
• 30:17
  Yeah. So she's actually being a bit stalkery, you know. Don't look at her,
• 30:22
  I'm your girlfriend now.
• 30:25
  Yeah, there's a scene with a shot where it's kind of creepy.
• 30:28
  Ming has this ring. There's a lot of creepy stuff in there. So Ming has this
• 30:32
  ring. and he goes pew, pew, pew, pew, right?
• 30:36
  Yep. And it hypnotizes her. Dale. Yeah. And she's like, and I want one of these rings.
• 30:44
  But so, he's It gives her an orgasm, basically.
• 30:48
  It's almost like she's getting off on it. And No, it is.
• 30:53
  It gives her an orgasm. And one of the ladies, no, it's Clytus.
• 30:59
  Clytus says she even remembers, She reminds me of your daughter.
• 31:05
  I know, yeah, no, well, basically, basically what Ming does,
• 31:09
  and this is confirmed in some of the dialogue later on,
• 31:13
  Ming basically goes about planets, basically he destroys most of them,
• 31:18
  but how he lets the planets continue is by taking their women and impregnating their women.
• 31:23
  I mean, he basically has a space horem of all of these beautiful space ladies.
• 31:28
  Essentially, that's what Ming, well, part of what Ming does in his ruling the
• 31:33
  universe. And this is confirmed later on in some of the dialogue by Ming.
• 31:37
  I think it's the Flash Gordon. Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah.
• 31:40
  Same concept in Mad Max Fury Road.
• 31:44
  Yeah, it's basically, essentially, it's basically sex slaves.
• 31:48
  I love how Flash is being attacked and he's not winning. so Zarkov throws him
• 31:52
  a melon a watermelon so it looks like a football and now he feels like he starts
• 31:57
  kicking everyone's ass and I remember Ming turns to Clydes and goes hey are
• 32:02
  the men on the right pills?
• 32:04
  I know execute their trainer or something they say,
• 32:11
  and also in the original comics Fleiss Gordon was actually a polo player he
• 32:15
  wasn't an American footballer so they've updated it here and give him a space watermelon,
• 32:21
  which he basically, him and Zarkov, play American football with while fighting the guards.
• 32:27
  Now, let's talk about our girl here, Aurora, real quick, before you go any further.
• 32:32
  She's definitely the tramp of the group. I mean, my God. I wouldn't complain.
• 32:38
  She's, Flash is going to be executed, and...
• 32:42
  She's actually in a relationship with Prince Baron.
• 32:45
  And then Ori goes to Ming, don't kill him, father. I want him.
• 32:51
  And then there's a scene where they kill him. I like the shot.
• 32:56
  That's creepy. They use a lot of really colorful smoke in this film.
• 32:59
  And there's a shot coming up. The execution scene is very creepy.
• 33:02
  There's a shot coming up that is beautiful. It's near the end of the film.
• 33:06
  But they like the different color smokes.
• 33:08
  And this one's like a yellow smoke as they put him in the gas.
• 33:12
  Chamber and they kill him, right?
• 33:13
  And of course, he's got to walk slowly with his leather underwear on to get
• 33:19
  executed. As you would. Yeah.
• 33:22
  A little bondage gear for him before he goes.
• 33:26
  So, and then she, Yura wants to save him.
• 33:31
  So, she has the doctor inject him to bring him back to life.
• 33:35
  Yes. And the doctor even says, okay, same time next week. He's- Yeah,
• 33:40
  he's shagging her. Yeah, so she's fucking him as well.
• 33:44
  Yes, essentially. She's sexy, but you wouldn't trust her type thing.
• 33:48
  So she basically uses her sexiness to get what she wants.
• 33:53
  She's very cunning, but she could be sexy and cunning with me any day of the week.
• 33:58
  But yes, that's what she basically does.
• 34:01
  She's shagging all around her, basically, for her own sort of,
• 34:07
  to basically get what she wants, basically.
• 34:10
  Good on her. Yeah, she's...
• 34:13
  Trying to get laid in all the different galaxies but Timothy Dalton,
• 34:19
  the Prince Baron, James Bowen basically he knows what she's up to and in fact,
• 34:24
  there's one scene actually around the execution where he actually calls her a lying bitch yeah.
• 34:32
  So Prince Baron basically knows what she's up to but he still can't resist her.
• 34:38
  I'd be good dude I'd be like listen woman I'm a one, you can't you don't be
• 34:43
  cheating on me yeah yeah but Princess Aura does what she wants I think I think Kala's kind of hot,
• 34:52
  that's the evil sort of military woman yeah she's like the head of command she's
• 34:57
  like no I like her as well yeah she is yeah yeah,
• 35:01
  she's basically giving them the commands to basically destroy Gordon and all
• 35:06
  that sort of thing yeah she's the one who no she's more the she's the torturer
• 35:10
  so yes as well yes She's the one who has to suck the brain of Zarkov,
• 35:15
  which can be kind of a disturbing scene, actually, when you kind of think about it.
• 35:18
  Yeah, there is another disturbing scene. Now, let me get this.
• 35:21
  Especially all the images from his life. That's what I want to ask you about.
• 35:24
  Should Zarkov be up in manslaughter charges?
• 35:28
  Why? Because...
• 35:30
  Oh, the wife? They're showing all the images of his life as they're draining out of him, right?
• 35:35
  And then there's a scene where he throws his wife or girlfriend in the pool,
• 35:38
  and she drowns right in front of him. Don't know how that happened.
• 35:41
  They're right there. And then there's the funeral. Yeah. Yeah. So did he kill his wife?
• 35:45
  And then also, it appears, but by accident. It's basically heavily suggested
• 35:51
  that the reason he's mad and stuff and a bit crazy is because he accidentally
• 35:55
  killed his wife by fucking her in the pool.
• 35:58
  How did she drown? They're right there. They just got to go into the pool together.
• 36:02
  I don't know. I wasn't there. I wasn't that. Well.
• 36:07
  And also then, it's also, it goes even darker.
• 36:11
  It's basically saying that he was basically a Jewish prisoner of war,
• 36:15
  you know, at a Nazi camp and stuff.
• 36:17
  And then it goes way back. And then for some reason, he can remember being a
• 36:21
  fetus and stuff, you know, plus all this stock footage about World War II and stuff.
• 36:26
  So, yeah, there's a lot of stuff about concentration camps and all,
• 36:29
  and all sorts. So it's pretty, it's a very dark scene.
• 36:33
  And there are a lot of really dark stuff in this, including the torture scenes,
• 36:38
  especially with Prince Aura when they're whipping her.
• 36:40
  And you see all the life marks on her back.
• 36:43
  It's pretty, this is, there's a lot of darkness here, but it's mixed in with all the camp.
• 36:49
  Yeah, we got a little bit of, during the scene where Flash is flying with Roar
• 36:52
  to go to Aura, not Aura, Andoran, whatever you call it, we'll get to it in a second here.
• 36:57
  But, Dagobah, he's teaching her how to, let's call it Dagobah.
• 37:01
  He's teaching her how to fly, teaching him how to fly. Yes. And she's like,
• 37:04
  slowly move your fingers here.
• 37:06
  I like it, it's like sensitive to me if you move them like this.
• 37:09
  And I'm like, what's the, it's like a carry on film. what is this, Fifty Shades of Flash?
• 37:15
  It's basically like a carry on. Some of the innuendos here are wild,
• 37:19
  you know, if you, it's basically carry on
• 37:22
  planet mongo i'm just like anytime she's
• 37:26
  on screen it becomes very perverted and i
• 37:29
  feel like we're watching flesh gordon and yeah
• 37:32
  and it's like i mean pull it back there's one in particular back because at
• 37:37
  the end of the day she's got to have her own little arc and and be with baron
• 37:42
  the rest of time but if i was baron do you really want that i mean i mean she's
• 37:47
  been you know there is One innuendo in particular,
• 37:51
  whenever they are about to land the ship on the jungle planet,
• 37:57
  it's something about lowering the flaps or something. And I'm like, what the fuck?
• 38:01
  I mean, this girl has been... She says...
• 38:07
  I mean, what am I watching? Is this like a porn parody?
• 38:11
  Yeah, I was almost like, it was almost watching, yeah, like a Flesh Gordon or something.
• 38:16
  But yeah, so she's all, it was a funny scene where she has his helmet on and
• 38:21
  you can use telepathy to talk to somebody. I don't know how it works, whatever the fuck.
• 38:27
  But so he wants to use it and he puts it on his head so he can talk to Dale.
• 38:32
  And at the same time, he's making out with Eora and he's like oh my god oh my
• 38:37
  god you're so hot and she's like who are you talking to oh nothing nothing I'm
• 38:42
  not talking to you and she's like wow they're all a bunch meanwhile,
• 38:48
  meanwhile Dale's also a sex slave in Ming's palace also later on the fight between
• 38:56
  Dale it's basically a pillow fight on the bed between Dale and Princess Ora
• 39:00
  is obviously done it's like it's Best scene in the film.
• 39:05
  Best scene in the film. Best scene ever.
• 39:11
  And it's, yeah, I mean, it's clearly, you know what I mean?
• 39:15
  It's, I mean, don't get me wrong, it's all harmless silliness, you know what I mean?
• 39:19
  But it is very sort of, it's a carry-on film.
• 39:24
  I was waiting to sit James popping up as Ming the Merciless with a dirty laugh.
• 39:29
  I guarantee you, because you're so terrified of the plot.
• 39:33
  A flash with the destruction of earth. You got so into this, so into this.
• 39:39
  I pro you probably had your fucking hand lotion and your, and your Kleenex writing
• 39:45
  it by your side during that whole, during this whole sequence.
• 39:47
  Whoa. That's more like here.
• 39:51
  That's like a sort of, I think you're talking about yourself there, Kieran.
• 39:54
  Terrible comeback. This is the guy getting, this is the guy getting super excited
• 39:57
  and saying the best scene in the film is the pillow. Actually,
• 40:01
  no, it's the whipping scene. Between princess aura.
• 40:03
  It's the whipping scene actually is the best part.
• 40:06
  Oh, you suck bastard. I'll tell you.
• 40:09
  Her outfit is so hot. Her body, I mean, I don't care if people are going to
• 40:14
  turn me off. I don't care. The actress is beautiful.
• 40:18
  And her body in that suit.
• 40:21
  I didn't care about the whipping. I wasn't paying attention to that.
• 40:24
  Well, it's clearly done.
• 40:25
  It's a bondage thing. I mean, it's basically Hellraiser without Pinhead.
• 40:33
  Yeah, where's the Cenobites? Yeah, I mean, it's basically overtly sexualized,
• 40:44
  this film, without a shadow of a doubt.
• 40:49
  Even things like the rockets are almost shaped like dicks and all sorts,
• 40:55
  and it's all intentional.
• 40:56
  I don't know. I think some of it is, some of it isn't. I think the problem is
• 41:00
  they kind of— No, I think it all is.
• 41:02
  I don't. I don't. I think her scenes are more sexualized.
• 41:06
  I think the rest, because she's so oversexed that the whole thing is sex, sex, sex to us now.
• 41:12
  So everything we can see here are going to be fucking tits and ass and penises and shit.
• 41:18
  No, I think it's very much intentional. Because in the comic,
• 41:23
  the ships look like that.
• 41:25
  I know that there, but I think they're having a bit of a laugh.
• 41:28
  And don't get me wrong. As a kid watching this, a lot of this would have went right over my head.
• 41:32
  So, you know what I mean? It's not in any way, you know, crude.
• 41:36
  It's a bit of a, it's tongue.
• 41:38
  It keeps with the rest of the tongue-in-cheekness. It's a bit of a laugh.
• 41:41
  You know, at the end of the day, James Bond does this every movie.
• 41:45
  Exactly. It's a bit of a laugh. So, you can't take it seriously.
• 41:49
  We're having just good fun, even with the whippings. Exactly.
• 41:51
  And that's what they're doing. They're obviously playing on it.
• 41:55
  I love the fact. This is making no sense to me. So they wipe Zarkov's brain,
• 41:59
  right? And now he's an agent of me. Yes.
• 42:01
  But right away we find out that he's really not. They never sucked his brain.
• 42:05
  Did he listen to the Beatles?
• 42:06
  Yeah. He goes, I thought your brain was wiped. No, no. I listened to Shakespeare and the Beatles.
• 42:13
  They can't wipe the human spirit. Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:17
  It's proper cheesy corn. Like it's corny as hell. So there's a triumph of the
• 42:21
  human spirit. And you're like, yeah, right.
• 42:24
  But you know what, for the general tone of this film, you're running with it,
• 42:29
  no problem. I'm running with it all, by the way.
• 42:33
  Even the silly stuff later on at the wedding between Ming and Dale,
• 42:38
  where you've got Delbert Grady from The Shining as the space priest and stuff.
• 42:45
  And he goes, do you promise to basically to Ming stand by her and not throw her into space?
• 42:51
  At least not now. It's all a bit of a laugh. So when she drops him a flash...
• 43:00
  Where Prince Baron is. Yes. That's a Borea. It's called a Borea.
• 43:06
  And they, when she leaves, he says, fuck you, Flash. You're not having my girl.
• 43:11
  Anybody else is having my girl,
• 43:13
  but you're not. So he chucks him into that little swamp thing, right?
• 43:18
  Yeah. And then Fico, Fico, whatever his fucking name is, the guy from Rocky
• 43:22
  Horror Picture Show, goes down, gets himself put in the cage,
• 43:27
  but he goes, ha-ha, I have a key. I'm going to help you get out.
• 43:31
  And then they climb, and then, ha-ha, it was a trap. Baron just wants to play
• 43:34
  this game with you with the fucking scorpion thing, right?
• 43:38
  There's a lot of weird editing here. Yeah, I don't get. Why didn't you just
• 43:42
  go to the cage and go, come on, you're going to play this thing with me?
• 43:44
  Why did you have to be this? Why go through all the hassle of throwing him in
• 43:47
  the swamp? Yeah, why go through all that little trick?
• 43:50
  But also around this part of the film, all of a sudden, Princess Zora is magically
• 43:55
  back with Ming getting tortured.
• 43:57
  It's like she's teleported instantly I know she obviously travelled back but
• 44:01
  we don't actually see the scene where she says because I rewinded it just to check,
• 44:05
  there is no scene where she says well I'm going to go back to Mongo here but
• 44:09
  all of a sudden they cut and she's getting tortured and being whipped so there's
• 44:13
  a lot of choppy editing going on here.
• 44:15
  No she did head back and then she but it's not stated and then well I kind of
• 44:22
  put the piece together I don't think it needs everything to be No,
• 44:26
  but there is some choppy editing.
• 44:27
  There is. There's some. In general. I mean, like that whole swamp escaping made
• 44:31
  no sense. And I want to know what the fuck a boar worm is.
• 44:35
  Yeah, well, we don't see that. Not the boar worms. It's like Nicholas Key.
• 44:39
  It's not the bees. I want to see when they're whipping her. And then she goes,
• 44:42
  my dad's going to get mad at you. And then Ming's like, nah, give her the boar worms.
• 44:48
  Yeah, Ming's that. Don't think so, dipshit.
• 44:52
  Yeah, I do find another creepy scene is when Flash is playing the game with
• 44:58
  Prince Baron, where they're putting their hands into the tree passage thing.
• 45:02
  That's the scorpion thing. he's got that scorpion tail thing and then it makes
• 45:07
  you if you get hit by it it makes you go nuts and that's why that one guy asked
• 45:13
  Barron to kill him because once he got bit he goes, well that guy.
• 45:17
  That guy who gets killed by it or he gets bitten and then Barron kills him,
• 45:22
  he was actually a well known children's TV presenter in the UK,
• 45:26
  back then his name was Peter Duncan I think he's very big in pantomimes and stuff now,
• 45:30
  but yes so I always remember him From that scene,
• 45:34
  Peter Duncan He was a presenter on Blue Peter Never really liked that programme anyway But yes,
• 45:40
  I do find That basically Quite scary and creepy You know the whole putting your
• 45:47
  hands in With the whole alien scorpion thing,
• 45:50
  I love when Flash, they're playing and Baron puts his hand in and then Flash
• 45:55
  puts his hand in and Baron puts in and then he goes, ah, you got to do it again.
• 45:59
  He goes, what? You're breaking the rules. I changed the rules.
• 46:02
  And then, so Flash has to go in again and he pretends he gets bitten.
• 46:05
  Then he's going to tell, he's going to act like the one guy just did.
• 46:08
  He goes, listen, man, I don't want to go crazy.
• 46:11
  You know, stab me. And he's going to stab him, but he gets a hold of the sword. He tricks him.
• 46:17
  Ha ha. Yeah, that's right. Fooled you. and then Hawkman come Brian Blessed and
• 46:23
  the gang not Brian Blessed.
• 46:26
  They sort of then get them back and then James Bond and Fleish have a fight
• 46:32
  on that sort of panel thing I like that's my favorite scene to be honest with
• 46:35
  you I do like that scene it's a good scene it's kind of fun yeah,
• 46:40
  With the spikes coming up? Yeah, the spikes coming up and the whipping.
• 46:44
  And I do like, this is a good arc. He does save Baron's life.
• 46:48
  And then Baron says, okay, I got you back now.
• 46:50
  Prince Baron, for me, is the best character here, by far. The best actor as well by Timothy Delta.
• 46:56
  I'm going with Klytus. What's the best arc? I think Klytus is the best.
• 47:00
  Oh, he's a great character.
• 47:02
  Klytus is more like the Darth Vader of the team. And Ming is the emperor. Yes.
• 47:06
  Yeah, basically, literally Emperor Ming. Yeah. Yeah, and fantastically voiced by Peter Wingard.
• 47:14
  The one thing I don't like in film is when you have these full bad guys,
• 47:18
  and Clydes is the best bad guy in this whole film, but he dies real quick.
• 47:22
  You don't see it happening, but at the same time, it's fucking effective because
• 47:26
  I do like this effect. When his eyes pop out?
• 47:27
  When he takes them and he throws them onto the, they throw them onto the spice, you don't see it coming.
• 47:32
  It's a nice little, you know, whoa moment, and then you see his eyeballs gouging
• 47:37
  out and his tongue swelling. That's right. swelling.
• 47:39
  You see his face pretty coming through the mask. It's pretty cool.
• 47:43
  No, no, it is. It's a good death. And evil sort of military commander woman,
• 47:48
  for some reason she melts later on as well. It's not as good as Clytus.
• 47:52
  But for some reason these bad guys seem to melt.
• 47:56
  You got Ming who will disappear and then she melts and gets like black blood or something. Yeah.
• 48:04
  Evaporized type thing. Vaporized, yeah. Yeah.
• 48:08
  That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's all about, well, it's Planet Mongo.
• 48:11
  You know what I mean? Anything can happen.
• 48:14
  I love the line where Dave goes, how do I trust you, Roa?
• 48:18
  And Roa goes, I didn't really know my father until he put the boar worms in me. On me.
• 48:25
  I'm like, what the fuck is a boar worm? I want a sequel so I can see a fucking boar worm.
• 48:32
  We need to look it up. I'm glad that.
• 48:35
  Yeah yeah exactly or even in the old damn
• 48:37
  tv shows you know the serials you know
• 48:40
  but yeah them have the big sort of the
• 48:43
  big finale i do like i do like to decide the
• 48:46
  error of their ways and you know to decide to join forces and fight for the
• 48:51
  greater good well you're jumping at the earth yeah you're jumping quite ahead
• 48:54
  there but there's there's a lot of these like the the hawk Men don't want to
• 49:01
  do this. They don't want to join. So he leaves.
• 49:05
  And there's a character played by John Hallam. He's kind of a famous actor.
• 49:08
  Passed early. He plays a character called Luru.
• 49:12
  And he's the one who actually tells Voltan, listen, we can't just sit here.
• 49:17
  We got to help. And at the same time, Flash, I don't know how Flash all of a
• 49:23
  sudden knows how to operate every vehicle on the planet.
• 49:27
  He even knows the name of them. He even knows how to use the mic.
• 49:32
  Because he's Fleisch Gordon. But he calls Voltan at the same time.
• 49:37
  Lurl is trying to tell him, we need to help these guys. And that convinces Voltan
• 49:42
  to help. This whole fight sequence is quite nice.
• 49:45
  And I really do like the battle over the Ajax. That's the big ship.
• 49:51
  And yes, that the Hawkmen are going to try to take over. There's a gorgeous
• 49:55
  shot. I mentioned in the beginning of the podcast. Best shot of the film.
• 49:58
  It's the model of the Ajax and it's surrounded in this in these clouds of blue
• 50:04
  and red and it's coming out of it like a thick fog bank.
• 50:09
  Absolutely gorgeous yeah it's beautiful and yeah and I mean you gotta appreciate
• 50:14
  all the models and the matte paintings and all sorts of just a great aesthetic
• 50:19
  throughout this film but also around this time in the meantime we've also got the fact that,
• 50:24
  Ming has decided he's going to marry Dale. Dale is a complete and utter Muppet,
• 50:28
  by the way. There's a great line.
• 50:32
  Funniest line in the film. So as Ajax is being taken over by the Hawkman and Flash, right?
• 50:39
  You cut to Baron and Zarkov are tied up against the wall.
• 50:45
  And Baron turns to Zarkov and goes, so, tell me more about this Houdini.
• 50:53
  Yeah. No, okay, and it's all part of the sort of tongue-in-cheek countenance, you know?
• 50:59
  Yeah, but yes, the wedding ceremony is actually pretty funny as well, intentionally.
• 51:07
  Well, as you're getting to the wedding, Baron escapes with Sharkov because Aura helps him.
• 51:15
  And he goes, listen, I've changed. It's been like five minutes.
• 51:20
  He's like, I've changed. And she goes, I've changed.
• 51:23
  And he goes, marry me I don't know, oh you haven't changed,
• 51:29
  What conversation We have to do I like that, you know,
• 51:32
  it's all pure It's not great dialogue, yeah But I do like the fact that The
• 51:38
  two of them get their sort of happy ending And you know, because they're meant
• 51:40
  to be together I know she's had her problems And you know, he's had his anger
• 51:45
  issues If she gets pregnant, she better check,
• 51:48
  He better have a DNA test real quick. Well, it might be the executioner.
• 51:52
  It might be the executioners. Yeah, get a DNA test. Yeah.
• 51:57
  But, yeah, I do like that they... To me, Timothy Dalton is basically Han Solo
• 52:04
  here. You know, Prince Baron.
• 52:06
  Yeah, I can see that. I do like Ming's death.
• 52:11
  I like the impalement and how he just disappears. He doesn't melt like the others.
• 52:15
  I like to see some melting. Rocking up the jacks.
• 52:18
  Basically. Yeah.
• 52:20
  Oh, my God. I love how they're all thinking Flash, and the hot men are all spelling
• 52:27
  words on the fucking sky, and it says, thanks, Flash. I know. Yeah.
• 52:35
  But it's all, it's pothomame. You know what I mean? How could you not like this thing and rumble it?
• 52:40
  Now, I know they held this part open for a sequel, of course,
• 52:44
  because they all signed multi-film deals.
• 52:46
  That didn't work out but yes at the
• 52:49
  end there's ming's ring and there's
• 52:53
  somebody with the black glove grabs the the ring and then
• 52:56
  you hear ha ha ha ha in the background i'm like what
• 52:59
  idiot didn't take that ring the minute it it fell off ming's you know it's skeletor
• 53:06
  it was skeletor at the end of masters of the universe he's back no it's is that
• 53:13
  whose hand is it but is it ming's or is it Clydus is dead.
• 53:19
  Well, technically Ming is as well. You know, or so they believe.
• 53:22
  But yeah, I always believed it was Ming who had come back. But who knows? We'll never know.
• 53:28
  Yeah, unfortunately, you'll never know. You know, this could be a really good reboot.
• 53:35
  You know, with today's technology. Possibly, yeah. They could really do something
• 53:39
  good with this, especially the early 80s stuff.
• 53:42
  Like I said, we're about to... They will not make it these days, and I'll tell you why.
• 53:47
  It's considered racist, the whole sort of Ming and sort of, you know, there's that sort of...
• 53:53
  They're basically saying... A lot of people these days, not all,
• 53:56
  obviously would say it's basically... Ming the Merciless is basically an Asian
• 54:00
  stereotype, a racist Asian stereotype, a trope.
• 54:05
  Sort of yellow face type thing. So I doubt very much they would make it these days.
• 54:09
  I think they could easily just get an Asian actor if that's the case.
• 54:13
  I don't know what makes an alien to me. I don't see him as a race.
• 54:18
  Yeah, exactly. But, you know, yeah. I mean, it's pure fantasy.
• 54:21
  Yeah, if anybody's nitpicking a fucking fantasy film, for fuck's sake.
• 54:27
  They need to chill out. I'm worried about real racism. Yeah.
• 54:31
  Yeah, the key word. And actual real world problems. Yeah, the key word is fantasy
• 54:34
  here. I mean, for fuck's sake. Yeah.
• 54:37
  And it's pure, you know, it's pure pantomime.
• 54:40
  So, you know, worry about real world problems instead of Princess Ora and the Kang.
• 54:47
  Yeah. If anyone's going to complain about this, they need to really look into
• 54:52
  Ora's past and check her for any kind of disease.
• 54:56
  That girl slept with everybody. And then, and then, yeah, even the executioner.
• 55:01
  And then Clytus wanted her. And then there's a line where Ming goes,
• 55:05
  you can have my daughter now. He's like, yeah, thanks, boss.
• 55:08
  There is the suggestion that he already is. There is that suggestion.
• 55:13
  Don't mind, this is a kid's film. The guy with no face is getting laid. That's amazing.
• 55:24
  You know what these people from Planet Mongo are like? Wild they are.
• 55:29
  Jesus. What a fucked up planet. The shag all around them. Bear in mind, this is a kids film.
• 55:37
  It was the 80s, man. Yeah. Jesus. It was the 80s on the Planet Mongo.
• 55:45
  Jesus Christ. That's how they're old. All right, guys. We're going to wrap this
• 55:49
  one up. That's a good time. Check it out, guys. How can you not have a good time watching Flash?
• 55:54
  It just didn't appeal to people at the time. But if you watch it now,
• 55:59
  it's got a lot of appeal value. You guys will enjoy it.
• 56:02
  It's dark and weird and camp, but it's, you know what I mean?
• 56:06
  It's just, it's very unique. And I think it's great.
• 56:09
  Man, we just spent an hour talking about this. It didn't help that it was 20
• 56:13
  minutes getting into it before we started.
• 56:16
  Well. It was all that Guillermo talk.
• 56:20
  Well, it was just good to say you had to correct your mistakes.
• 56:23
  I'm sure there'll be more. And then you made another one with Brian Blessed.
• 56:26
  It's not Blessed. Oh, I forgot. I forgot. I almost forgot.
• 56:30
  Brian Blessed was in Doctor Who, and so was Timothy Dalton.
• 56:34
  You know, Brian Blessed was in a Sixth Doctor, Colin Baker story.
• 56:37
  He married Perry, actually, the companion.
• 56:40
  And then Timothy Dalton played the evil Time Lord, Rassilon, in the reboot.
• 56:45
  You know, I'm kind of disappointed in you, to be honest with you.
• 56:48
  Do you know pretty much every actor in this film was in a Doctor Who?
• 56:54
  I looked it up and you didn't even notice it. Yeah. No, no.
• 56:57
  Don't start. You didn't know. You didn't do your research. I got there in the-
• 57:01
  Vitus was in the Doctor Who.
• 57:03
  Peter Weingard? No, don't say yeah. You didn't know that.
• 57:08
  No, no, no. I'm sure he was. Doctor Who's back in the day. Very disappointed in you.
• 57:13
  Very disappointed. One of the best villain, he played Timonoff in 1984.
• 57:20
  Right? Okay. Yeah. Well, he's wearing a mask here, so, yeah. Wow.
• 57:26
  You know, there's a ton, you know, I mean, a lot of these films were,
• 57:30
  including Star Wars, were filmed in the UK. So a lot of the sort of supporting
• 57:34
  actors and stuff would have done the rounds and all of these types of studio films.
• 57:38
  And then, you know, popped up in a lot of TV shows like Doctor Who.
• 57:43
  A lot of them worked on Star Wars. They played Imperial Guards or whatnot.
• 57:47
  Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah. And so forth.
• 57:50
  Yeah. Even, oh, what's his name?
• 57:56
  Zarkonos Hartner in the beginning, the one who runs away scared,
• 58:00
  he was played by a guy called William Hookins who died kind of young,
• 58:05
  but he was in everything.
• 58:07
  He played. Oh, yeah. He was in Star Wars.
• 58:10
  He played one of the pilots at the end. He played Yes He played the major In the beginning,
• 58:16
  Of Raiders Who was teaching him About the arc Yes he was That's right He was
• 58:20
  the corrupt cop In Batman I never recognized him In Batman So Yeah Guy,
• 58:26
  Always Always played a memorable part Even though it was a small part The,
• 58:31
  Actors Back You know They were always doing the rounds You know On all the TV
• 58:35
  shows And stuff that would have been filmed At these You know The studios in
• 58:38
  England And stuff So yes Absolutely,
• 58:40
  Alright guys that's it that's all we got next up Battle Beyond the Stars we're
• 58:45
  going back to Roger Corman and John Sayles hot off the hot in Piranha and Alligator,
• 58:51
  now we now it's time to rip off Star Wars,
• 58:54
  it's John Boy Walton goes to space basically John Boy.
• 58:59
  Should be interesting I haven't watched that since I saw it in the cinema back
• 59:03
  in Massachusetts I think it was can't remember but I do get it mixed up with
• 59:10
  the Hasselhoff tough one. So yeah, but it's, it's been years.
• 59:14
  Okay. That's us. We'll wrap this one up.
• 59:17
  Thank you for listening. Please, Annette, if you have any corrections you want
• 59:20
  to make, please let me know.
• 59:22
  I'll certainly, you know, retract anything that was wrong.
• 59:27
  Apologize humbly, like you should do. Yeah. All right. We're done.
• 59:32
  Guys, take care of yourselves.