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- 0:00Are you ready okay oh no this one's really old.
- 0:05It's highlighted at the top that it's more than
- 0:08three years old what is it you know what. This
- 0:11is Chelsea in a fringing media. I'm just mini.
- 0:14I'm just going to read it. It's from the Guardian
- 0:16dot com. U .S. cruise ships using Canada as a
- 0:20toilet bowl for polluted waste. I'm sure it's
- 0:22still relevant from the comfort of cruise ships.
- 0:25A typical trip to Alaska offers magnificent views
- 0:29of glaciers and untamed national parks and visits
- 0:32to quaint seaside towns for years. These draws
- 0:36have made cruises to Alaska the most booked U
- 0:39.S. holiday. the journey to those pristine areas
- 0:43which involves sailing along Canada's west coast
- 0:46for two or three days is leaving behind a trail
- 0:49of toxic waste including within marine protected
- 0:52areas which is MPAs, according to new research.
- 0:57More than 31 billion liters, 8 .5 billion U .S.
- 1:02gallons. I didn't need to read that. A year of
- 1:04pollution is estimated to be discharged off the
- 1:08west coast of Canada by cruise ships on their
- 1:10way to and from Alaska, according to a report
- 1:13by the environmental organization stand dot earth
- 1:16and west coast environmental law WCEL. There's
- 1:21this perverse incentive to treat Canada like
- 1:24a toilet bowl," says Anna Barford, Canada's shipping
- 1:27campaigner at Stand .Earth. They're just using
- 1:30us like a highway and tossing stuff left, right
- 1:32and center. Across Canada's 151 ,000 -mile, 240
- 1:37,000 -kilometer coastline, ships generate 147
- 1:42billion liters of harmful waste each year, equivalent
- 1:46to 59 ,000 Olympic -sized swimming pools, according
- 1:50to a March 2022 report. by WWF Canada. I'm surprised
- 1:55our orcas haven't rebelled and started attacking
- 1:57the rich boats off the coast. You know, we do
- 2:00have families of orcas which are kind of cool
- 2:02that they travel like that. I'm surprised they
- 2:04don't just get all together and attack. It's
- 2:07only a matter of time before the rebellion spreads
- 2:11over to this part. I presume. The word will spread,
- 2:14yes. They have big brains. It's only a matter
- 2:17of time. I mean, we can only hope. Assume. Hope
- 2:19and assume. I think. Based on data from more
- 2:22than 5 ,000 vessels, the report found cruise
- 2:25ships were the largest polluters despite making
- 2:28up only 2 % of the marine traffic analyzed. We
- 2:31did do an episode on how horrible cruise ships
- 2:35are for the environment. Way back. Yeah, good
- 2:40episode. I'm pretty sure it was too. Good episode.
- 2:44So this is a great episode to follow up on, kind
- 2:47of, even though this is from three years ago.
- 2:49Cruise ship pollution includes large volumes
- 2:52of toxic sewage from toilets, grey water from
- 2:55sinks, showers and laundries, and bilge water,
- 2:58the only liquid that collects at the lowest part
- 3:00of the ship. That... is disgusting what liquid
- 3:03is collecting there by far the largest source
- 3:06of pollution identified in the wwf report was
- 3:09from so -called scrubbers devices installed to
- 3:13remove exhaust gases such as sulfur oxide and
- 3:16nitrogen oxide as well as particulates from the
- 3:19heavy bunker oil used as marine fuel so it's
- 3:22just taking all the worst parts of the oil and
- 3:24putting it in the ocean gotcha yeah The scrubbers
- 3:27create an acidic wastewater containing a cocktail
- 3:30of chemicals. On a one -week trip to Alaska and
- 3:34back the Canadian coast, a cruise ship will generate
- 3:37nearly 200 liters of waste from scrubbers, according
- 3:41to Stand .Earth and WCEL report. While ships
- 3:45can decide whether to discharge at sea or within
- 3:47a port, most waste from scrubbers is dumped as
- 3:50it's generated. Why give cruise ships the choice
- 3:54to just dump it wherever they want? Like, why
- 3:56is this not done more, like, ethically? You know
- 3:59what, on a little sub thing here, I mean, it's
- 4:02a mini, I just have to say it, though. I'm actually
- 4:04listening to a really interesting podcast by
- 4:07CBC, and it is all about how lawless the ocean
- 4:12is, and it's just all these really horrible stories
- 4:14about what goes on. It is not lawless, it is
- 4:17sheriffed by the orcas. And they're finally getting
- 4:20back into patrols. I love that. Just FYI, if
- 4:24you're interested, Outlaw Ocean by CBC. And there's
- 4:28a bunch of stories and it's pretty crazy so far.
- 4:31It's not like a fun lesson, but it's interesting
- 4:35nonetheless. Globally, cruise ships have a patchy
- 4:37record of maintaining environmental regulations,
- 4:40including within Alaska. But the Pacific waters
- 4:42off of the coast of British Columbia are particularly
- 4:45polluted. This is due to many cruise ships, but
- 4:48also because Canada's federal dumping regulations
- 4:51are less stringent than the U .S. laws, according
- 4:54to Michael. Yeah, that's very sad. And of course,
- 4:57they're going to find out that that's the case,
- 5:00obviously, of their cruise ships and dump it
- 5:02where they can. Michael Bissonnette said a lawyer
- 5:04from WCEL, particularly compared with regulations
- 5:08in Washington and Alaska, the two U .S. states
- 5:10to each end of Canada's west coast. In Washington,
- 5:14more than 60 ,000 square kilometers of ocean
- 5:17habitat is protected in the Strait of Juan de
- 5:20Fuca and Puget Sound, near the Canadian border,
- 5:22and now classified as a no -discharge zone. That's
- 5:26literally the sea. It is right beside where they're
- 5:28dumping. It's the Salish Sea, essentially. That
- 5:30is what Vancouver's on. So it's essentially the
- 5:32same body of water. Alaska requires cruise ships
- 5:35to apply for and receive permission to discharge
- 5:38sewage and gray water. These regulations encourage
- 5:40ships to hold onto their waste when they're in
- 5:43American waters and then dump it when they're
- 5:45in Canadian. This is infuriating. shitty. Wow.
- 5:49The Canadian water's untreated sewage from cruise
- 5:52ships can legally be dumped outside a 12 nautical
- 5:55mile limit under vessel pollution regulations
- 5:58and can often overlap into critical habitats.
- 6:02Meanwhile, treated sewage, which includes the
- 6:04waste from toilets and grey water from sinks
- 6:06and laundries, can be discharged three nautical
- 6:09miles from shore. Wow. It does go on and on and
- 6:14on. I am infuriated enough. Across an imaginary
- 6:18dodge line just opening those valves and getting
- 6:21everything out pretty much yeah because they
- 6:23go right back into an area where they have to
- 6:25protect it yeah and they've been holding on for
- 6:27it for so long it's probably just building up
- 6:31so that's my disturbing fringy mini. It's been
- 6:36a while since we've covered how horrible cruise
- 6:39ships are for the environment. So I thought we
- 6:42just needed a brief reminder. I just thought
- 6:44it was in general. But no, this is particularly
- 6:47they're entirely shitty to our coast. That is
- 6:49right beside us. Yeah, I'm really feeling like
- 6:52I should write a letter probably to some politician
- 6:56and vote this. Yeah. Probably. Yeah, I think
- 6:59that's actually warranted. Yeah. But like what
- 7:02the hell is the industry going to do with their
- 7:04poop and their oil scrubbers? If we say no, not
- 7:07here. I'm genuinely curious because it seems
- 7:10like their only way to meet the standards in
- 7:12the US is to put everything in Canadian water.
- 7:15Yeah, like it's going to be a part of the cruise
- 7:17where they just go like 20 miles out and dump
- 7:20everything and then come back. It's still creating
- 7:23the pollution, no matter what our laws are. Yeah,
- 7:26no. And that's just how bad cruise ships are
- 7:29for the earth, right? And it doesn't solve what
- 7:32they do with it. It just, you know, they're just
- 7:34going to go dump it somewhere else. And there's
- 7:36a certain part of waters, as we've probably talked
- 7:40about in the cruise ship episode, and on what
- 7:42I've been listening to, there's a certain point
- 7:45where countries don't give a shit about ocean
- 7:48that's not near their country. They don't care
- 7:50what's going out there. You guys got 48 hours,
- 7:53maybe you go 200 nautical miles and just see
- 7:55how lawless that place is. You can get the bootleg
- 8:00version of Journey to the Fringe out there.