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The Late Debate | 7 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately welcome wait to pay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 2: late debate James Macpherson with freyer Leach and filling in
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  Speaker 2: for Caleb Bond is Joe Hilda Brand coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Creators of the new Superman movie claim it's a film
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  Speaker 2: about immigration, with Superman's the illegal immigrant in need of
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  Speaker 2: kindness moving Hollywood ever learn Plus, have you ever left
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  Speaker 2: a restaurant without paying? Australia Zoo's Robert Irwin did just that,
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  Speaker 2: but what happened next has surprised everyone, And of course
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  Speaker 2: we'll bring you tomorrow's newspaper headlines a little later tonight.
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  Speaker 2: But first Victorian Premier to Center Allen, never one to
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  Speaker 2: let the crisis go untrivialized, has announced a bold new
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  Speaker 2: plan to tackle rising anti Semitism in Victoria. She's launched,
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  Speaker 2: wait for it, an anti.
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  Speaker 1: Hate task Force.
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  Speaker 2: This task force, on the heels of the last task Force, will,
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  Speaker 2: as the name suggests, tackle hate than just Center. Allen
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  Speaker 2: is very worked up about hate. She's so worked up
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  Speaker 2: about hate she waited three days to visit the scene
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  Speaker 2: of Victoria's most recent hate crime, an arson attack on
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  Speaker 2: a Melbourne synagogue.
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  Speaker 3: We spoke about the future, about how hate needs to
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  Speaker 3: stop and how the Anti Hate Task Force will be convened,
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  Speaker 3: working with Victoria Police, working with the Jewish community, working
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  Speaker 3: with all Victorians, how we put a stop, put a
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  Speaker 3: stop to this hateful behavior and recognize that hate has
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  Speaker 3: no place here in our state.
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  Speaker 1: This is nothing but theater.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's bad theater with Jacita Alan playing the lead
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  Speaker 2: role of Premier trying really hard to look.
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  Speaker 4: Outrage exactly, and she seems to struggle to define what
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  Speaker 4: the hate actually is because they're not calling this what
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  Speaker 4: it is. They're still investigating the motive for this and
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  Speaker 4: looking at you know, what potential reasons might be behind
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  Speaker 4: someone trying to five on the synagogue. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe anti Semitism, maybe terror, but they I won't call
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  Speaker 4: it that. When the Israeli government spoke out about the attack,
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  Speaker 4: to the Israeli Foreign Minister off the bat, they said,
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  Speaker 4: this was a terror attack. If you're serious about combating hate,
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  Speaker 4: you're going to call this stuff what it is, which
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  Speaker 4: is terror. But this is a government that wants to
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  Speaker 4: say the right thing over here, but they're not going
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  Speaker 4: to back it up with actions. They're not taking any
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  Speaker 4: tangible steps to actually protect the Jewish community. And all
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  Speaker 4: this is, I hate to say, is another committee, another
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  Speaker 4: task force, another thing. And if they're so concerned about
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  Speaker 4: the hate, why didn't they set this task force up?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know twenty two months ago, right after October seven.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be some task force Joe because she
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  Speaker 2: announced it will involve Victorian police, it will involve members
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  Speaker 2: of the Jewish community, she said, will.
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  Speaker 1: Involve all Victorians. That's quite the committee.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is just bonker like.
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  Speaker 6: The idea that October seven was the catalyst for just
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  Speaker 6: this explosion of generalized directionalist hate right everywhere that this
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  Speaker 6: task force has to tackle is patently absurd. It's like
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  Speaker 6: saying it's it's like if you have an accident black spot.
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  Speaker 6: It's like there's a let's say, there's an intersection somewhere
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  Speaker 6: in Australia where a person is killed by car every
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  Speaker 6: single night, and the government's response was right, we're going
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  Speaker 6: to launch an inquiry into all roads everywhere. Like it's like, no, no,
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  Speaker 6: look at where it's happening, look at who it's happening to,
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  Speaker 6: look at who is doing it, look at.
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  Speaker 5: How it's being done.
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  Speaker 6: Tackle that you don't need to tackle just all hatred everywhere,
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  Speaker 6: because there's a lot of hatred everywhere. You probably don't
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  Speaker 6: have the manpower or the person power for it. Just
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  Speaker 6: tackle the anti semitism, Tackle the people fire bombing the synagogues,
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  Speaker 6: tackle the people who are raging and rampaging through restaurants
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  Speaker 6: shouting death, death to the IVF.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she's got form right because when gangs went through
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  Speaker 2: Northland shopping Center with machetes, she banned mache You missed
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  Speaker 2: the point, and she's doing it. She gave a two
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  Speaker 2: minute press conference out the front of the charred remains
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  Speaker 2: of what was the door of the synagogue, and in
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  Speaker 2: two minutes I counted the hate. She used it seven
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  Speaker 2: times in two minutes. Hate needs to stop. Hate has
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  Speaker 2: no place. She talked about this hateful experience, the hateful incident,
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  Speaker 2: and she just is talking about everything except the main issue,
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  Speaker 2: which of course is anti Semitism. And sure antisemitism involves
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  Speaker 2: hatred of Jewish people, but that's the emotion. What's it
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  Speaker 2: fueled by. It's fueled by an ideology. And if you're
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  Speaker 2: too afraid to even mention the ideology, what hope of
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  Speaker 2: ever dismantling it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's the exact problem. Yes, great, this Hate task
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  Speaker 4: Force is wonderful. So who's spreading the hate? Where's the
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  Speaker 4: hate coming from? Let's actually name and shame the group's
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  Speaker 4: propagating the hate. Maybe then we'll have a chance at
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  Speaker 4: actually addressing the root causes of it. And as far
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  Speaker 4: as I can tell, there are really two groups that
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  Speaker 4: are advancing the hate around Australia. And I when I
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  Speaker 4: was a student at you said, on the campus with
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  Speaker 4: the encampments that lasted there for around two months, I
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  Speaker 4: saw these two groups up close. It is radical leftists
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  Speaker 4: who genuinely want to destroy Western civilization. And it is
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  Speaker 4: fundamentalist Islamists who genuinely believe in a fundamentalist Islamic view
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  Speaker 4: of Israel, of Jewish people of the Middle East of
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  Speaker 4: the world. Really, and they've united together to try and
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  Speaker 4: destroy the Jewish community and the West like that is
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  Speaker 4: the fundamental ideology. But she cannot bring herself to say that.
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  Speaker 4: And unless you actually called this out for what it is,
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  Speaker 4: which is radicalism on the left and in radical Islam,
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  Speaker 4: we have no hope at ever addressing it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just to Center Ellen either.
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  Speaker 2: I noted that police talked about the Jewish restaurant in
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  Speaker 2: Hardware Lane that was up TechEd. The police described the
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  Speaker 2: behavior there as quote unquote disappointing.
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  Speaker 6: That would be if it was like what a soccer
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  Speaker 6: fan sets off a flair.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's very disappointing, very disappointing.
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  Speaker 6: Or like when you know you're in your your team losers,
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  Speaker 6: you know, one zero and you don't get that final
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  Speaker 6: equalizer in the last five minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Oh see, that's disappointment.
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  Speaker 2: Just Into Ellen then asked, after announcing this Hate Task
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  Speaker 2: Force if shouts of death to the IDF were incitement,
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  Speaker 2: and she said she wasn't sure. She would have to
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  Speaker 2: consult with police. So on every level, they've just completely
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  Speaker 2: missed on this issue. Little wonder then that just Into
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  Speaker 2: Ellen is doing so badly with Victorian voters, fifty nine
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  Speaker 2: percent of whom say she does not deserve to.
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  Speaker 1: Be re elected. I'm wondering what the other forty one
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  Speaker 1: percent are thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Deaf death to the idea probably, But the other side
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  Speaker 2: of it is well, fifty nine percent of Victorians believe
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  Speaker 2: Labor doesn't deserve to be re elected.
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  Speaker 1: In Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty percent say the Liberal Party is not ready to govern.
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  Speaker 2: So Joe, this is the classic pox on both your houses.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very interesting, this part. So it's a face
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  Speaker 6: value and on one level it looks like a really
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  Speaker 6: good result for the Labor Party fifty three forty seven
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  Speaker 6: two party preferred. But of course that's when people are
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  Speaker 6: thinking about the Liberal Party, thinking about the coalition and
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  Speaker 6: their brand, and clearly when they think about that and
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  Speaker 6: they think about the absolute basket case that it has
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  Speaker 6: been for years now, tearing itself apart, factional in fighting
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  Speaker 6: that was already the rock bottom and then the more
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  Speaker 6: a deeming thing came along and it just turned into
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  Speaker 6: an absolute bin fire. And so in a poll like this,
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  Speaker 6: for example, so preferred premiere by that measure, right, usually,
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  Speaker 6: even when a party is right down on its knees,
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  Speaker 6: you will have the existing premiere as preferred premier because
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  Speaker 6: voters just incitively think, well, there is no other premiere.
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  Speaker 6: How can the opposition leader's never been premiere? How can
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  Speaker 6: I say they're the preferred premier? So almost a better
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  Speaker 6: the devil, you know kind of thing. But then the
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  Speaker 6: government will go on to lose that election and the
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  Speaker 6: opposition will come in this one you've actually got a
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  Speaker 6: preferred premier who is Brad Batton.
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  Speaker 5: The Leader of the Liberty.
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  Speaker 6: So when people think about just the leader and not
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  Speaker 6: the Liberal brand, they actually want him to be in charge,
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  Speaker 6: even though he's been leader for about five minutes and
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  Speaker 6: has basically no I don't think he's ever got any
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  Speaker 6: ministerial experience or anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: None of them do, except as he was.
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  Speaker 4: The police minister I think was a long.
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  Speaker 1: Time, long, long time ago.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And so they think, they think, yep, all right,
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  Speaker 6: we're going to you know, we're going to back this guy.
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  Speaker 6: But as soon as they think about the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 6: it instantly turns absolutely toxic. And this is a problem
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  Speaker 6: not just for the Libs but for the Labor Party
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  Speaker 6: because the Labor Party's best chance of actually renewing, putting
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  Speaker 6: all the bad old days of the Dan Andrews misery
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  Speaker 6: behind it and getting you know, a more moderate sign
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  Speaker 6: from the Labor right and the leadership. And again, the
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  Speaker 6: left runs everything in Victoria at the moment. If Jacinda
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  Speaker 6: Allen looks like she's going to get up as Premier,
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  Speaker 6: well then she continues as leader obviously, and if she
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  Speaker 6: gets re elected, I mean the state goes. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's almost unthinkable. It'd be like Cormack McCarthy's the Road.
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  Speaker 6: It would just be an apocalyptic Well that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: So about twenty four percent of Labor voters don't want
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  Speaker 4: to see Labor get re elected in Victoria, twenty four
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  Speaker 4: percent of their own voters. But I think the risk
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  Speaker 4: here is that people also don't trust the Victorian Liberal
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  Speaker 4: Party and that is going to be the challenge. And
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  Speaker 4: we saw this heading into the last federal election as well.
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  Speaker 4: Albanezi was not popular, Dutton wasn't that popular either, but
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  Speaker 4: things looked possible for the Liberal Party. They were within
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  Speaker 4: reach of actually winning the election until around January February.
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  Speaker 4: But then as the election date approached, Labor has the
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  Speaker 4: money from all the unions. They do run a very
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  Speaker 4: good scare campaign. Labour's been in for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: So again, when people have to actually turn their minds
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  Speaker 4: to the Liberal Party, the question will be do they
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  Speaker 4: have enough credibility with Victorians to actually convert that into votes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would argue the scare campaign run by Labor
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  Speaker 2: is really quite redundant.
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  Speaker 1: When the Liberals ran a pretty good scare campaign on.
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  Speaker 2: Their own, DA the leader who accused one of his
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  Speaker 2: own team of being a Nazi sympathizer and then sued
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  Speaker 2: for defamation after refusing to concede, and then the party
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  Speaker 2: basically propped him up.
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  Speaker 6: Finally to help the party was after the change of leadership,
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  Speaker 6: the party was actually ahead of Labor and then the
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  Speaker 6: deeming stuff blew up again that he lost the court case,
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  Speaker 6: and suddenly all that came back, and again, how did
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  Speaker 6: the Liberal Party respond not by backing the current leader,
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  Speaker 6: but by financially bailing out the formal leader for being
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  Speaker 6: in hot by more than a million bucks that he
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  Speaker 6: couldn't afford because he'd made every single wrong decision along
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  Speaker 6: the way to that final course.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like what a Liberal Party politicians and Victoria
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  Speaker 2: say after shooting themselves in the footlo.
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  Speaker 4: And I sort of do understand just on that point
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  Speaker 4: why Brad Batton was actually in his interest for them
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  Speaker 4: to bail out posuit, because if there was a by
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  Speaker 4: election and the Liberals lost, that it would have been.
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  Speaker 2: So what they demonstrated for was principle was not important,
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  Speaker 2: Pragmatism was important, and conservative voters are always going to
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  Speaker 2: shy against the Conservative Party. Allegedly that Ditcher's principle in
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  Speaker 2: order for political.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the whole Deeming saga was just so unfortunate.
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  Speaker 4: So let's hope they can bring this shit back together
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  Speaker 4: and hold on till November twenty twenty six, because that's
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  Speaker 4: when the next date election will be. But it's not
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  Speaker 4: just the Victorian Liberal Party that needs to rebuild itself
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  Speaker 4: and regain trust. The Liberal Party at the last federal
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  Speaker 4: election had one of its worst results ever, and now
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  Speaker 4: of course everyone's going, well, what went wrong?
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  Speaker 6: And I feel like the cricket to ask what went right?
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  Speaker 5: What went right?
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  Speaker 4: That's also another question we might investigate on this show.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel like after every election people always say
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  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party have a women's problem, and it is
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  Speaker 4: true now that only about a third of Liberal MPs
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  Speaker 4: around the country are women. So people are now arguing
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  Speaker 4: that they need to implement gender quotas. Except a new
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  Speaker 4: poll that was in the AFR today said that while
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  Speaker 4: forty eight percent of people support gender quotas, twenty four
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  Speaker 4: percent oppose them in twenty seven percent of no idea
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  Speaker 4: what they're talking about. But even if people support them,
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  Speaker 4: they're not necessarily going to convert votes. The likelihood of
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  Speaker 4: voting for a liberal with a female candidate was only
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  Speaker 4: twenty five percent more likely if you had a female
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  Speaker 4: seven percent they were actually less likely. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 4: who they are. Sixty one percent said no difference in
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  Speaker 4: nine percent said unsure. So I guess this kind of
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  Speaker 4: blows a hole in the central argument around quotas, which
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  Speaker 4: is that if you have quotas, you're going to attract
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  Speaker 4: all these voters because you'll have so many female candidates.
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  Speaker 4: But it's actually not the case. Funnily enough, people care
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  Speaker 4: about policy and substance more than the genuine.
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  Speaker 2: I just point out why this thing is so stupid,
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  Speaker 2: and I've got to have a shot at you slightly
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  Speaker 2: just praise yourself. But you pointed out there twenty five
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  Speaker 2: percent of people, and only twenty five percent said they'd.
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  Speaker 1: Be more likely to vote for the candidate if as a.
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  Speaker 2: Woman, And then you express shock that anyone would say
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  Speaker 2: they were less likely to vote for a candidate because
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  Speaker 2: it was a woman. Why can't you be less likely
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  Speaker 2: to vote for a woman then more likely? Why is
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  Speaker 2: one okay but the other is wrong? Why why that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yes, one, no, it is definitely less okay to
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  Speaker 4: say I won't vote for a woman. Isn't that sexist?
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  Speaker 1: But it's not sexist to say I'm more inclined to
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  Speaker 1: vote for a woman.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not saying that's right either, but at.
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  Speaker 1: Least it's the voice betrayed you.
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  Speaker 6: I reckon see myself out.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to be at higher meeting, Popcorn.
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  Speaker 2: And the point is that the Liberal Party you have
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  Speaker 2: pretty much talked about nothing, but should we have quotas.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to address out women's problem. I would say
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  Speaker 2: they don't have a women's problem. They've got a female leader.
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  Speaker 2: The Labor Party does not, and they need to get
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  Speaker 2: on with addressing issues that matter to the country. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: which gender your local candidate is does not matter that
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  Speaker 2: much to people, no matter how much they support gender quotas.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to casting their vote, the overwhelming majority
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  Speaker 2: of people say, we cast our vote on issues like
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  Speaker 2: tax cuts, reduction of migration, housing affordability. The gender of
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  Speaker 2: the person we're voting for is kind of irrelevant. And
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  Speaker 2: yet that's all the Liberal Party have talked about for
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  Speaker 2: two months.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, there's an argument you could mount
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  Speaker 6: that in fact, there's a net eighteen percent of people
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  Speaker 6: who would be more likely to vote for the candidate
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  Speaker 6: if it's a woman, and that could be the difference
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  Speaker 6: between winning and losing a seat. Fine, but that's a
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  Speaker 6: different question to whether or not there should be quotas,
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  Speaker 6: And I think that is my.
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  Speaker 5: Whole thing in this is if you are arguing.
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  Speaker 6: About whether you need quotas to fix your women problem,
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  Speaker 6: you're already at a place where quotas are not going
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  Speaker 6: to fix your women problem. So firstly, if you introduce quotas,
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  Speaker 6: it's going to make it look like you can't get
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  Speaker 6: the women on your own. You basically have to shoehorn
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  Speaker 6: them in. You're going to have X number of people. Firstly,
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  Speaker 6: everyone who gets shafted for a female candidate is going
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  Speaker 6: to say it's just because of the quota and she's
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  Speaker 6: not actually as good as may blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 5: So you're probably.
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  Speaker 6: Sowing further division down the track. You're not addressing the
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  Speaker 6: question of why you're struggling to attract high quality female
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  Speaker 6: candidates who can beat men in a pre selection just
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  Speaker 6: with the rank and file. So what does it say
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  Speaker 6: about your membership, What does it say about your values?
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  Speaker 5: What does it say about the policy offering?
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  Speaker 6: And again, all this stuff just points to, you know,
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  Speaker 6: sort of a thing where if you've got you know,
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  Speaker 6: a giant, gaping womb that you think, oh, I'll just
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  Speaker 6: put the quota band aid on it, and that's going
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  Speaker 6: to fix it. Clearly not the problem. I mean one
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  Speaker 6: of the Liberal parties women problem, that women problem was
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  Speaker 6: that they didn't know until halfway through the campaign that
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  Speaker 6: women in Australia absolutely hated the work from home policy.
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  Speaker 6: They hated the idea that they were being cast And
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  Speaker 6: I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but this was
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  Speaker 6: showing up, and this was showing up in labor focus groups.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone instinctively knew it in those circles as well, but
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  Speaker 6: it just wasn't They weren't picking up on it.
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  Speaker 4: One. Here's the problem with the quota's argument that work
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  Speaker 4: from home policy was developed and announced by a moderate female,
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  Speaker 4: James ro Joe. So the idea that if you just
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  Speaker 4: have women in there, they're naturally going to come up
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  Speaker 4: with these amazing policies that resonate with other women is
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  Speaker 4: not true. A good policy is a good policy, a
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  Speaker 4: bad policy is a bad policy, and can be generated
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  Speaker 4: by men or women. And also in the last selection.
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  Speaker 4: We saw Tim Wilson in the seat of Goldstein defeat
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  Speaker 4: a female Teal candidate. He was the only one that
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  Speaker 4: defeated a Teal and he was a male up against
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  Speaker 4: a female. Next door in Kuyong Emilia Hamer was unsuccessful
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  Speaker 4: as the Liberal against the Teal. So even in the
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  Speaker 4: most sort of progressive of tearly areas that the Liberal
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  Speaker 4: Party needs to win back if they want to form government,
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  Speaker 4: running a good local campaign, being a good candidate and
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  Speaker 4: standing for something is the best way.
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  Speaker 2: To do that, and yet the Liberal Party are doubling
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: down on this issue. I note that Melissa Macintosh, there
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Women's spokesperson on Insiders, said it's not just that we
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: need quotas, we need cultural change. And her evidence for
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the need for cultural change was that two blokes quote
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: unquote had challenged her for preselection. Now, of course she
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: had won both of those challenges, so that should be
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: evidence that you know, it's fair game in the Liberal Party.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: But they've gone from we need quotas, do we need
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: an outside group of experts to come in and within
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the party of sexism and Australians to start talking about this.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party are talking about.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: No one you are right that absolutely no one cares,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: and this navel gazing from the party does nothing but
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: reinforce the idea in the public mind that there is
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: this women's.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Probably, but it's self fulfilling problems.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: But I would say in defense of Melissa on that point,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: I think what she was trying to get at is
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: that a bigger problem for the Liberal Party and something
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: that does turn women away is the rampant and toxic
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: factionalism that is tearing apart the party.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: But why go on national television and talk about that
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: something you talk about behind it?
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be, It shouldn't be. You should not
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: be going around airing your dirty laundry on insiders. But
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I guess that is what she's getting at, And I
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: would say that this quota's idea as well, is also
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: being pushed by certain elements within the Liberal Party that
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: have a specific ideological, generally more progressive view of the
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: direction that the Liberal Party should take. So don't think
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that the people who aren't calling for quotas will use
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: those same quotas to put in their mates and continue
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: the factionalism. Basically, whenever you have a human institution that
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: allows people to accumulate power, they will do whatever they
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: can to do that. So this is what's happening in
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: this as well.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Actually a similar debate that took place years ago in
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: the Labor Party where the left of the party was saying,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: we need quotas, we need quotes, we need quotas, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: you know, the right thought it wasn't so sure.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: But anyway, it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: Got up and it was a forty percent quota back then,
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: and the Wrights realized that it had this end forty
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: rule where it could just install any candidate it wanted
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: and then say it was to do it for the quota.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: So they just got rid of every single left wing
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: bloke they could and everything ran really smoothly. Toe they
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: were the days.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Well give me a moment.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Always wanted to remedie if.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: The Liberal Party are going to insist on quotas and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: cultural change for rampant structural sexism and basically go woke,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: they just need to look at what's happening to Hollywood
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to find out where you end up when you pursue
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that path, which brings us to the new Superman movie.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: It's shortly to appear in cinemas, and before we get
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: into what the New Superman is all about, let's just
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: reminisce for a moment about how good Superman used to be.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Here's the old Superman.
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: Good evening officer mooning. Well, they said, confession's good for
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: the soul. I'd listen to this man, beg them away.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Truth, justice in the American way. What a great movie.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Superman was great franchise until now, with the new director,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: James Gunn announcing that Superman is really a story about
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: an immigrant, an immigrant that comes from other places looking
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: for kindness. Now, obviously he's positioning this new movie to
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: be part of the debate over how Trump is treating
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: illegals and whether or not Trump's policies are fair and kind.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: After all, Superman arrived from another planet, a refugee, a
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: migrant looking for love. Of course, what the left miss
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: out is that he was raised in Middle America by
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Christian parents to assimilate as a good American and uphold
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: law and order. He's a clip from the New Superman
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: out soon, which, by the director zone admission, is highly political.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: Today, the Secretary of Defense said he was going to
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: look into your actions.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: That's funny.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: My actions I stopped a war. Maybe not maybe I did.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: In effact, you illegally entered a country.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: This is how you're going to be.
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: I'm not the.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: One being interviewed Superman.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: He's anti woke.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: He's being arrested by Ice.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: He hasn't been arrested.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Okay, Can I just just have to Okay? Superman the
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: original movie nineteen seventy eight sarring Christopher Et is my
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: favorite film of all time. I'm an absolute Superman tragic
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: and everything they've basically done since then, I like Superman three, controversial,
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: The Quest for Peace, We're not even talking about it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Then Superman returns Terrible Man of Zeel, Wow, And now
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: they've had to reboot the whole thing because Batman vs.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Superman justly were absolute dogs. Right, So this is rebooting
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: the entire Superman universe. And I have got my entire
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: heart just resting hanging on this movie.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Your heart is about looks right now, and it is going.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: He's going to be absolutely fantastic. I've watched all of
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: those trailers about fifty million times.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: You are absolutely right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Superman is a good, god fearing Christian American. He was
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: actually created by two Jewish boys, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: He fights for truth, justice the American way. There's absolutely
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: he does happen to be an immigrant from the planet Krypton,
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: but he does get raised by marn par Kent in
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: mill America. And the guy they've got playing his adoptive
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: father is not Kevin Costro anymore. He's a fat, pot bellied,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: bearded Trump voting farmer. You can tell it just by
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: looking at him. His adopted mum cleans his boots. That's
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: one of the few lines of things. She's just I've
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: just cleaned your boots for your son. These guys are
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Trump voters. Don't worry kids. It's totally totally safe. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: when Lois Lane is having that fight with him in
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: that interview, it's because he decided to just go in there,
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: cut through all the bureaucratic red tape, going there some
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: skulls stop a war from happening. She's saying, oh, why
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: didn't you have the appropriate government approval?
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: She is the deep stake. He is the freedom fighter.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I'm not so convinced about Joe's base take on the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: New Superman movie. It sounds like it is going to
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: be a rerun of what we have seen flop so
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: many times in Hollywood. We just saw Disney spend In total,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: they spent about four hundred and ten million dollars on
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: the New Snow White remake and they made only two
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: hundred million dollars on it. That is a huge loss.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: And that has been repeated time and time again since
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the early twenty tens, all of these movie franchises remaking
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: iconic classics but feeling the need to make them updated
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: and progressive to fit with the times, and in the
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: end they just butcher them. And I do not understand
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: when these people will realize that ordinary folks don't want
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: to go to the movies and be lectured ad about
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: pol I'll tell you.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: You does get it, Tom Cruise.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise is about the only person who understands when
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you go to a movie, you just want to.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the movie.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: But instead James Gunn, director of the New Superman movie, says,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: it's about politics and it's about morality. I don't want
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to hear about politics and morality from Hollywood directors. But
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: he's got a message for people like me who don't
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: want to go to the movies and be lectured, he says,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and I quote people like them, quote unquote screw them.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: That's what Hollywood thinks of its audience.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Journ No, no, no, it didn't mean it like that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: He did mean like that, James.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: He has already been a victim of cancel culture because
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: he was the director of Guardians of the Galaxy and
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: then he did a few spicy tweets and Disney sacked him,
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: and then he's been picked up by the DC universe
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: to save it. Precisely because he is not earnest and woke.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: He is really really funny. He did a TV show
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: called Peacemaker starring John Cena, the wrestler, in which he
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: is the most anti political correct character you can possibly imagine.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: In fact, one of the other characters calls him a
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: proto fascist. And he's the hero in James Gunn's rebooting.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: This is even before Superman. It was rebooted with this series,
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: so it's totally safe to go and see Superman.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: It is going to be great. I promise you.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: It is not going to be preachy and just for
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: the kickout because I am such a tragic The nineteen
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: seventy eight Superman starring Christopher Reeve, God rest his soul
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: that you showed Christopher Reeve actually, in interviews at the time,
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: talks about how he played a really gentle and sensitive
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: Superman because in the nineteen seventies it was considered you
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: not to be unmasculine to be a sensitive new age guy.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: And if you actually watch it, he's a real sweetheart.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: He is not a big macho guy. He speaks softly
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: and he also flies very wholesome.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I have a late debate exclusive for you right here.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: This is the unreleased image of what the new Superman
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: will look like. If we can bring that up on
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: the screen. Yeah, you got the blue head, the immigrant,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: the pride for sorry to do it to you, Joe.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Thanks chat gipt for that one. But I think that's
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: where Superman and the whole series.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Is love with Lois Lynes.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: He's a red blooded white heterosexual American with blue eyes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Couldn't get more hot blood. He probably votes Trump himself.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Go and see it, kids, Well.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: We'll go see it and we'll let you know what
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: we think of it. Look, Red states are being urged
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: to consider building their own versions of Alligator Alcatraz. You
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: might remember Ronda Santas in Florida has built a brand
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: new prison, which some left US are calling a modern
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: day concentration camp, but really it's just you house illegal
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: immigrants and it is surrounded by a alligator infested swamp. Now,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Trump visited the facility, not as Florida. Yeah, in Florida exactly.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Trump and some other Republicans visited the facility. They loved it,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: and now the White House is urging other Republicans states
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: it's to follow in Florida's footsteps. Now, Alaska said they're
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: not really sure if they have any plans to build
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: any more detention centers at the moment, but if they do,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: they don't have alligators, but they do have bears, so
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: you might have a bear surrounded detention center. Are these states?
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Or South Carolina said their gators are ready to go,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: ready to police the prisons for the illegal migrants. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: so it's very exciting. I think this is really ushering
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: in a new new wave of prison guiding, free labor,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: definitely from convissions.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Rever got the alligators to wear the hats deserves the bravery.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: That must have made it really hard. How'd you get
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: them to stay on like that?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I've got to say, I think this whole alligator Alcatraz
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: is more about trying to convince illegals to self deport
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: rather than have illegals end up there. Have listens to
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump talking about how they would need to train
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: prisoners in Florida to when they run from the prison
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to zigzag in order to escape the alligators, the snake's affairs.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: But Ali, it is a mcwatim.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: How to run away from an hour?
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Again? Okay, I can dare escape prison?
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: How to run away?
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: You don't run in a straight line, run like this,
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: and you know what, Your chances go.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: On for about one percent.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Nancy May from South Carolina, she said, We've got a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: swamp and a dream. South Carolina's gators are ready, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: they're not big on PaperWorks. So Republican governors right across
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the nation embracing this idea of creating these centers, talking
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: up the outrageous obstacles you would have to negotiate if
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you were to escape. Not because they're cruel, Joe, but
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they're trying to send a message if you are better
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: off taking yourself out of the country than ending up here,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: we'd encourage you to do so.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it is absolutely zero surprise that Trump is
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: doing this. He went to an election saying that that
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: is what he was going to do, and he got elected,
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: and by golly, he did it, and it is one
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: of the few.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: In fact, I think it's the only thing.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Where he still has very clear majority support for his position.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: So it's dropped off. I haven't said the latest, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: it's dropped off, you know, in other areas like international
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: relations in Ukraine and stuff like that. The economy of
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: the tarifs whatever. Deporting legal immigrants, people absolutely love it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: And it's because it and it's because illegal immigration undermines
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: the labor market, so people doing it tough have their
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: labor value undermined by people who are doing it cash
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: in hand or off the books. And it also, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: it creates cost of living pressure for people, you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: in housing like we know here.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: So you end up with a Superman movie where he's
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: wrestling crocodiles.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: He is one good illegal one good illegal immigrant who
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: also illegally ended another country to stop.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: A ward under reminder of that well, and it is
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: also worth noting that Trump's immigration policies so far has
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: actually been remarkably successful. ICE has arrested one hundred thousand
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: people in the last six months, seven hundred and fifty
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: per day, and they've successfullyorted over two hundred thousand people.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Democrats were laughing and saying this was
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: going to be impossible. But Trump has achieved the impossible.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: He has well.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: One person who's not a Trump fan anymore, of course,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: is Elon Musk. They worked together closely. Elon Musk and
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Trump were best buddies. Then they had a falling out,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: of course, over the Big Beautiful Bill. Elon Musk thought
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: it would be bad for the economy, so bad he
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: said he would start his own political party if the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: bill was passed, And of course, the day after it
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: was passed, Elon Musk announced that he would start the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: America Party.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Having spent two hundred and.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Seventy five million dollars on the Republican campaign, he certainly
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: got the money to start a new political party. But
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: should he, fray, if I was a board member or
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a director of Tesla, if I was a shareholder of Tesla,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you sort of loaned Elon Musk out to the White
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: House for a short time to do doge.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: But then you thought you were getting him back.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk now say he'll start a political party is
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: essentially signaling he's in Orthics for the long term. Meanwhile,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Tesla sales are not going well in Europe, in the US,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in Asia. You'd be pretty annoyed if you were a shareholder.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Well, we know that the Tesla board has said to
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Elon Musk that he needs to pay more attention to
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: the companies and less attention to politics. But I think
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: besides that, the other factor here is would anyone support this?
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, think about the optics. You've got a Silicon
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Valley billionaire who Americans generally don't like, born in South Africa,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: not even a natural American born in the country, immigrants,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: as Trump has reminded us all recently, trying to take
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: over American politics. And I guess you surp one of
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: the most popular American presidents of all time. This is
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: also a guy that backed Obama twice and donated to
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Hillary in twenty sixteen. I mean, he's a recent Republican convert,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: good on inf seeing the light at last, but he
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: is not exactly ticking all the boxes for successful retail politician.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: And there is already a Libertarian party in the US.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: It is a more pure form of the Republicans, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: they barely get any vote. What would happen if he
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: started this party is it would get a couple percent
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: and all that would do is drag votes away from
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: the Republicans. So it's a net loss for America as
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: a whole. And I just don't see people voting for
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: a South African billionaire.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: No.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, having lots of money is absolutely zero guarantee
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: of electoral success. That Yeah, you've got to have momentum,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: you've got to have charisma. Trump has got all of that.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: As we know.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Trump has all the money in the world. He had
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: all the money in twenty sixteen and he didn't even
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: need to spend it because he got so much attention
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: for free by all the news networks because he was
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: just so entertaining. And so mask is just on a
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: hide into nothing. Is absolutely insane and it will only
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: serve to spoiled on trub which may well be what
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: he wants to do.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: There was a.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Terrible case in nineteen sixty eight, just after the Summer
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: of Love and the Democrats split. LBJ was denied the candidacy,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: which was an absolutely outrageous decision by the left of
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: the Democratic Party. So despite being the incumbent president. He
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: withdrew from the race.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: They back.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: I think it was George McGovern who obviously most people
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: would struggle to remember his name. And then there was
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: another like a Democrat segregationist or something from down south
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: who ran as well, and it just slaughtered the Dems,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: and Richard Nixon wanted a landslide and went on to
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: win in another bigger Lands flight in seventy two, which
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: tells you everything you need to know about where you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: the activists and the protesters, they say they're on the
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: right side of history. Are they just delivered Nixon his victory?
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: But anyway, so I think that's what Elon is trying
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: to do. It can only be.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: A spoil and the problem for Elon Musk is the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: flip flopping.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: So he was Trump's best friend, then he wanted Trump,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, basically indicted because of Epstein stuff. Then he
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: apologized for the Epstein things, saying he'd gone to far.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: They appeared to make up. Now we started his own
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: political party. People are really going to trust someone who's like.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm nearly out of you as a pedophile. Yeah,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know what I was, sorry, mate, I.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Was just how can you trust someone like that? Yeah,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: and he also thinks that X and his ex followers
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: are like representative of the entire universe, which that's just
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: not the case. But I want to chat to you
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: guys about this interesting story. You know, when you go
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: traveling somewhere and you notice that everyone acts in a
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: similar way, but it takes you a while to clue
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: into what's actually going on because cultures tend to have
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: all sorts of unwritten rules. Now, the Daily Mail has
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: compiled a list of unwritten rules that travelers need to
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: know when they come to Australia. And there are seven
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: of these unwritten rules. But some of them I get.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Others of them I'm less sure about. The first one
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: is you let people with only a few items with
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: them go in front of you at the checkout in
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: the groceries, really, especially if they're old. But if you're
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: there first, I mean, it's.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: All the live and you feel bad, right if you've
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: got a trolley filled with groceries and you've got someone
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: behind you with like a milk and some bread.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: If you feel you would.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Favorite older people because you think they don't have that
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: much time left.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: That's Okay, that's a valid one, and I'm.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Getting close to being old.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I would like to be exactly Okay. The next one
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: is you take your shopping trolley back.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: I think that is the market of civilization.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Against that, James.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I just put it somewhere tidy, in out of the way.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: But there are trolley boys who rely on trolleys being
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: left indiscriminately in order to have employment.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: That's chaos, that's anarchy. I hate those people. Are you serious.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't leave it out of the way.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I don't put it in the parking spot, but I'll
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: put it up on the foot path or somewhere out
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: of the way.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: Do you know there are people who argue that it
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: is people like you who are the reason why we
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: need big government, which is why people cannot be trusted
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: to govern themselves and take the exactly because you have
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: this one living demonstration, this one real world demonstration, where
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: it takes a tiny amount of effort, it costs no money,
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: it helps everybody, it helps the society function better, doesn't
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: create as much you know, employment for trolley boys.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: I'll grant you that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Yet people don't do it, and people say this is
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: why civilization cannot absolutely be.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Another one, okay.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: The next one is when you're at a pum you're
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: supposed to keep your eye out on other people who've
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: been waiting longer than you, and so when the bartender
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: says who's next, you say you go for it? Mate.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It is so annoying when you know you were there
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: before those people and they know and they don't say
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: any Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we can all get behind that one, can I.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Actually I'm going to be controversial. I think the bartender
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: should know who's next. I think that is part of
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: the job of bartender, a skilled bartender, because if you
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: don't know, then the inter low per, the cuckoo in
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: the nest, if you will, will always get first.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Good values.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: They're drinking very very heavily, very good.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Point before we go to the break.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: This is another one. Always wave if someone lets you
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: into their lane while you're driving.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Yes, do you know the new thing now though, sorry,
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: I'm obsessed with this sort of stuff. Is you put
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: your hazard lights on for a couple of blinks if
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: everyone's doing it yet, what especially at night where people
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: can't see the is happening everywhere?
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: I've got a bus to do it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: To me once.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Wow. Okay, if a host tells you not to bring
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: anything to a dinner party, you always show up with something.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: So you should bring drinks and leave the ones you
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: don't finish. Absolutely, or I would say, actually a better
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: one nibbles, cheeses, crackers, that's even better than drinks. The drinks, okay,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: stingy Joe over. Then always thank the bus driver when
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: you're getting off.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's not funny. You always do. But I don't know
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: why you do.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Because do you think a pilot on a plane when
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: you get off thanks.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: The flight attendants. Yeah, absolutely, interesting one there. And then
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: on the footpath, always walk on the left escalator stand
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: on the left.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: That is the worst one of the shopping center. If
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you're in a hurry and people are taking up the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: entire escalator, just stand to them.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Or the train station you're running and people are standing all.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Over, outrageous.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: And also on the travelators, you can actually move your
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: trolley to the left far enough so that other people
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: can get past. So having a trolley no excuse, and
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: then put it in the trolley bay when you finish.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Now, this final one is a little controversial. When your
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: neighbors are on holidays, bring in their bins and maybe
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: even mow their.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Lawn back just a bit, try hard bringing the bins.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Definitely the bins, so mow the lawns are nice.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Stalker is, Can I tell you I once had a
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: neighbor and I couldn't work out.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I would travel, I would.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Come home and the lawns were all beautiful, and I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: couldn't work out what was going on. And then one
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: day he was going past and he said, ah, you're
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: happy with your lawn. And I wondered why he was
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: saying that. It turned out he'd been mowing it for
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: like three months.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: The problem was I.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Got used to it and he didn't do it one
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: weekend and I got really upset. To go to a
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: break and we come back for the good. What's making
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: headlines tomorrow, so you hear it here first.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: That's coming up in just a moment. Welcome back to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the program.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow, so
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: you hear it here first. And as you can imagine,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: most of tomorrow's newspapers, leading with the erin Patterson Conviction,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: will run you through what some of the front pages
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: are saying. The Herald's son as you can see their
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: evil erin justice served for cold blooded killer cooked, reads
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the headline. If we go over to the Daily Telegraph,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: they're going with evil erin quiet country. Mum ruled a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: triple murderer in a criminal trial which shocked the globe.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: At the Courier Mail in Queensland, they're going with killer cooked,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: as the headline finally revealed how.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Evil erin first gave herself up.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: And the Canberra Times have got the headline murder on
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: menu mushroom cook Aaron Patterson has been found guilty of
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: three murders for deliberately poisoning her estranged husband's family. The
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: fifty year old mother from regional Victoria appeared emotionless as
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: four guilty verdicts were read out by the jury's fourth
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: person yesterday and goes on to detail the case. She's
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: found guilty of course of three counts of killing people
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: by serving them toxic beef Wellington and attempted murder of
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: a fourth person. A trial went for forty six days.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: The jury were out for a week before coming back
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: with their guilty verdict in a case that really held
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the attention not just of people in this country but
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: frea right around the world. This case made headlines I
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: suppose because of the unusual nature of it, right, and.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: She just also seemed like such an unlikely person to
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: do this. I mean, just some random person from Victoria.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: You just never expect this sort of thing that happened.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Motive, it's just so like it's no real clear mind,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: like it's unclear.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: It's all very weird.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: It seemed to be upset that she no longer had
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: a relationship with her in laws that was as close
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: after her husband left her.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: The other thing was that the judges said that this
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: will be taken into consideration when sentencing happens, is the
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: amount of effort that went into these murders. And that
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't bring the meal she cooks me.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe she count yourself lucky, Joe.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: So anyway, that is featuring right across most of the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: newspapers tomorrow, as you would expect, and I expect newspapers
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: will sell well tomorrow because there is a lot of
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: interest in that particular story. And Fray the Australian obviously
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: have got that as well.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, of course the Australians got that headline is killer
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: in the kitchen. But we'll bring you some other headlines
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: from the Odds tomorrow as well. An interesting one is
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: union snag same job, same pay win. Unions have secured
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: a landmark victory against mining giant BHP after the Fair
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Work Commission proved the nation's first same job, same pay application,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: clearing the way for average pay rises of thirty thousand
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: dollars for two thousand, two hundred mine workers at a
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: cost of sixty six million dollars. Hailing the decision as
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: a nail in the coffin for BHP's sham labor Higher model,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: the Mining and Energy Union said the ruling would significantly
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: lift the pay of labor Higher workers employed at Peaked Downs,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Saragai and Goon Yellow Riverside mines in Queensland Bowen Basin. Now,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: this is interesting. This was one of the major industrial
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: relations reforms that were really regressive, taking us back to
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: an archaic industrial relations system that labor brought in in
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: their first term. And businesses did want this would lead
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: to thousands of dollars of pay rises, and here we go.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: That's a good thing.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: That's a great things, not if it's not linked to productivity.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: But this is massive, this is massive.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: Companies they won't they won't make it more productive as well,
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: that we're just trying to pay people less for the
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: same job. That is, well, maybe they do call that productivity.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's the definition.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: No productivity is getting more money for doing even more.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: So you're producing more for the same money, not producing
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: the same for less money. Well, that's well, it's regressive productivity.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: So it's retrofee to say, hey, we won't make our
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: we won't figure out a way to make our workers
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: more productive. We'll just cut what they earn so they're
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: comparatively the same. They're still producing the same amount, but
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: comparatively more productive because we're paying them less.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Well, you should have to earn what you make.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: But this is the thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Doing this job as labor higher, then they're voluntarily entering.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Instead of the company instead of actually hiring employees, was
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: actually laying off employees and then hiring cheaper labor higher.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: But that should be their right as a private company anyway. Again,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: in the australiaan let's move on from that one school's
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: focus on anti Semitism. It's about time Education Minister Jason
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Claire stands ready to reform the school curriculum. So children
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: are taught more about anti Semitism, declaring there is a
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: role for teachers in educating young people about the poison
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: of bigotry towards Jews. As the Victorian government sets up
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: an anti hate task force following a tax against Jews
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: in Melbourne at the weekend, Mister Claire said he was
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: willing to back curriculum changes recommended by the Special En
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Void to combat anti Semitism Jillian Siegel. His comments come
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: as Miss Siegal and former Prime Minister Tony Abbott called
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: for a crackdown on anti Israel protests, and former Department
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: of Home Affairs Secretary Mike Bizulo called for an Operation
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Sovereign Borders style task force to present prevent terror attaxiaanst Jews.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I mean about time, seems like this should have been
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: done again ages ago.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I agree with changes to the curriculum, but the alternative
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: is you could just teach history properly. Then you wouldn't
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: need a special section and on anti Semitism. Just teach
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: history and it would teach itself. We're going to go
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to a break when we come back. Have you ever
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: eaten at a restaurant and then scooed it? Off without paying.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Australias Robert Irwin did just that. What happens next, Well,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: it's quite surprising. Plus wimbled and robots used for line calls,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: but the line calls are worse than they've ever been.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: All of that in just a moment. Well, I think
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: most of us have done it. We've eaten at a restaurant,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: got caught up talking and just walked out without paying,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: only to realize later That is exactly what happened to
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Australia Zoo's Robert Irwin at the weekend. He was eating
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: at the Jetty Pavilion in Coffs Harbor when, after finishing
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: his meal, he was swamped by people wanting autographs and
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: photos with him. He got so caught up in that
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: he left without paying, only realizing the next day.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Well, he realized what had happened.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: He contacted the restaurant and apologized profusely. They said, don't
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: worry about it, it's fine, But he put this video
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: up online just to say sorry and to help them out.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: They got the salad super fast.
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: I made sure I said hi'd absolutely everyone, cheers, thanks
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: so much, have a good night, see you later. And
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: then the next morning I wake up and realize I
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: never paid for my salad. I just did the old
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: die and dash and I didn't even realize I'd done it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: I felt terrible, so, you know, reached out, do you
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: want me to give you my credit card details? And
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: they said, oh, I love what you do. It's all good,
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: you know, sorry for the mix up.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Just leave us a good review.
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: So I said, guys, Jendi Pavilion, I got to do
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: you one better. There are eight million of you guys
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: on here, so you know what to do.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I reckon whatever he ate and whatever it was worth,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: it wasn't worth as much as that little shout out
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: the Jenni Pavilion will do quite well from Robert Irwin
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: forgetting to pay for his meal.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, brands would pay roberta when tens of thousands
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: of dollars for promotion like that, So good on Robert.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: He definitely did the right thing.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, except when I do it, they call the police.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: So good well. Wimbledon this year tried to introduce AI
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: line calling in attempt to eliminate human error and make
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: things more fair, I guess, excepting one game, the AI
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: malfunctioned three times so the ball went out three times.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: The Russian player, who was playing rightfully stopped playing. She
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: saw the ball going out, except there was no call,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: and so she was absolutely fuming. Now this is so ironic.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: They get rid of humans to introduce AI, saying it's
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: going to be more accurate, and then it fails to work.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Who what a guest this might have and.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Why did it fail?
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Because someone accidentally switched it off during the game and
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: it was off for the entire game. So the robot
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: works fine as long as it's turned on, which apparently
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: they forgot to do, so it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Turns on the humans problem after all.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: Another thing that II failed to pick up was tennis
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: players at Wimbledon stealing the towels. Former Polish world number one,
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: Eager Vietic say it with confidence, Joe, That's what I
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: always tell myself. Has basically sort of kind of apologized
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: but not really maybe for stealing like a billion towels
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: from Wimbledon. She was stuffing them in her bag. Apparently
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: all the players do this, and they use it, They
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: use them for souvenirs, they give them out to all
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: their friends and family, and so she's got ten friends
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: and ten family members wanting towels.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: That's a lot of towels.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Have a quick look to He watched has to say.
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: It's like a topic that no one never ever talks about,
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: like we love our towels, you know. Yeah, every time
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: I come back from Islam, I think I have like
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: I don't know, ten friends and ten members of my
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: family wanting towels.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: So sorry, sorry.
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: Them, Like, yeah, I don't know if I'm.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Supposed to do that though, imagine from a hotel that's
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: from us to stick around.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Coming up is the readA Penney show, good Night