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Gun Control Debate · Project 2028

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Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Project 2028.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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Today we're going to be doing a debate about gun violence.
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Without further ado, let's dive right in.
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So specifically for this episode, and hopefully in the future, we are going to have more of
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a roundtable debate type of discussion.
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This has been requested by lots of different listeners.
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People such as our friends, our family, and other people have just been wanting to hear
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us go more in depth in kind of debate with each other.
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So that's exactly what we are going to be doing.
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Ryan is going to kind of be playing devil's advocate here.
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These opinions that he is going to be saying are not necessarily his personal opinion.
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He is more just trying to give us something to argue against.
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I am going to act more as a mediator and Lutrana is going to be taking...
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Lutrana is going to be taking the stance of having more strict laws on guns and stuff
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like that.
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Now that I have kind of introduced this format and what we plan on doing, let's start with
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the first topic.
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So Lutrana, let's focus specifically on school shootings.
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So what do you think is the most important kind of issue?
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What is the biggest leading cause and why are there so many school shootings in the
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US?
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In my opinion, one of the biggest issues leading to school shootings is the extreme access
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to guns for children.
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An estimated 4.6 million American children live in a home where at least one gun is kept
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loaded and unlocked.
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This contributes to so many deaths.
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At least 12 children die from gun violence every day.
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This is a wild number and it could be prevented so much if guns were more regulated and locked
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up and not available in a home with children.
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And also, guns used in about 68% of gun-related incidents at schools were taken from the home
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of a friend or from their home, a friend or a relative.
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So this is again showing how unsecured guns and people who shouldn't have access to guns
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are contributing to school shootings.
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So that's one of the most important things to me.
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Ryan, the same kind of question to you or kind of your response to what Luchana has
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said.
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Well, to respond to Luchana, and I do agree, gun security is a problem.
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However, the kids growing up in these families, the kids who are committing mass shootings
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are obviously not in the mental mind space of the populace of America.
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And I would argue that their families, even with increased laws around gun safety, would
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be ones less susceptible to putting their gun in a locked situation.
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If you look at a lot of the kids and their families who have been committing these egregious
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crimes, the families are just as much to blame as the children are for the development and
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the horribleness of this.
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But you see that these families, even with the gun restriction laws, a lot of them, I
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personally doubt, I think statistically these families, even the kids who are in these families,
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would be the least likely to, even with these laws, put in the thing because there are already
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defying many laws.
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There already are gun safety laws regarding how you're supposed to keep your guns locked
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and unloaded.
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So I see that as kind of a product in and of itself.
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I just disagree though, because I think no matter how many issues certain families have,
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if they don't have weapons like loaded guns that are kept unlocked, they aren't going
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to be able to hurt others.
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Well, and I agree that not everyone follows every law, but if guns were more regulated,
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if it was like, you can't have guns because you don't have a background check, you haven't
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passed these mental tests, maybe a waiting period, or if it was like you have to have
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these guns locked if you were punished for not taking care of your guns properly.
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If the parents of these people who commit school shootings, the people who allowed them
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to have these guns were-
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Sorry, I'm just going to redirecting it back onto the topic here.
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So we will touch into all of these subjects a little later, but let's try and stay with
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the original thing.
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Ryan, do you have anything you would like to add or do you want to kind of move on?
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Into what?
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It was hard to kind of respond to like the rambling, yes?
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Okay, let's get our next question going.
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So the next question is, what type of legislation would you hope to see passed?
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The question for Luchana, what type of legislation would you hope to be seeing passed, whether
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that be in Congress or through the Supreme Court or through the states even?
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I think that it should be more national than just left up to the states, and I think that
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there should be background checks, like tests for mental illnesses.
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Your gun should be required to be locked and unloaded around children and in general.
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And I also think there should be waiting periods so you can't purchase a gun on just an impulse.
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Like I'm angry and I'm buying a gun.
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I just don't think that should be allowed.
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Well all of these definitely have merit.
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I see it as most definitely at least a good amount of these, in a lot of Supreme Court
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cases in precedent that we've seen even from 2010 with Heller and DC and all that and handgun
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laws in Chicago.
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Some of this is, and most of this is flagrantly a violation of the Second Amendment.
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It's requiring people to take mental tests.
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For one, it is so unfounded, obviously if they have severe mental disorders, but you
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have to define all of the criteria and things that would not be allowed under these statutes.
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And I see as passing even that legislation would be immensely challenging.
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So I just don't see most of that as viable.
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However some maybe strengthen background checks and securing of guns could be advantageous,
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but also you have to remember just like seat belts, there's a lot of people who may not
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obey and may not agree with what these laws are and the ATF isn't going to come to everybody's
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house and check, right?
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They would need immense resources and I don't think the government wants to give them that
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or anybody really.
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So I just see it as not really viable.
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So this is a question for you Ryan.
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What type of guns do you think should be allowed to be accessed by the base American person?
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What do you think?
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Well when you say type of gun, do you mean like type of gun as in type of model or do
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you mean type of shooting style like an automatic, semi-automatic, self-reloading?
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What do you mean?
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Both.
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Mainly the second one, mainly automatic or...
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Okay.
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Well, automatic guns have been banned for a while now.
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They are considered weapons of mass destruction and they are not allowed among the public.
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They are seldom used in school shootings and for that kind of thing you need special permits
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and tons of specialty stuff to even try to acquire one.
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There are specific scenarios in which you can, but there's never been a significant
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shooting with an automatic rifle or at least one that was produced that way.
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Like semi-automatic rifles, like people think the AR in AR-15 stands for automatic rifle.
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It doesn't.
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It stands for armolite rifle which is the company who makes it.
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Those are not automatic rifles.
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A lot of the guns you see today, it would be so invaluable and impossible to ban all
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semi-automatic weapons because semi-automatic weapon means you have to pull the trigger
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every time.
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Otherwise we're going back to revolution things where we reload manually the gun every time
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and that's just not how guns are today.
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So that's not really how I see it.
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Semi-automatic weapons obviously have to be allowed.
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A follow-up question here.
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We saw the Supreme Court earlier this year, specifically this summer, rule about silencers.
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What are your opinions on things like those?
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Silencers specifically and gun attachments, I mean opinions on those are mixed.
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There's many multifaceted space with specialized scopes and stuff like that.
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But silencers in themselves don't present too much of a problem, especially if you're
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going hunting or something like that, which may be advantageous.
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But you kind of need to revert to the specific instance and what the situation is for that.
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I would just like to say I think that this is in response to the silencers.
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This is in response to the thing about automatic and semi-automatic guns.
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I still think that semi-automatic guns can do so much damage.
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If you guys remember the shooting in Uvalde where a semi-automatic rifle was used, some
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of these children's bodies were so destroyed.
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They were identified.
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There's one child.
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They couldn't figure out who he was because his body had been so destroyed.
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They had to identify him just based off of the shoes he was wearing.
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And I just think semi-automatic rifles are causing so much harm.
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They are so dangerous.
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I think it's kind of ridiculous to say they're not as bad as they could be.
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I think they aren't as bad as they could be because there are automatic weapons of which
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are destructive and for obvious reasons disallowed.
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But you can't ban semi-automatic weapons.
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I mean, 90% of weapons are semi-automatic weapons.
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Why do people need those?
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Because they're guns.
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The question could be the same.
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It's for self-defense.
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Nobody wants to have a gun where you get one shot and then you have to wait one second.
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Let me reload, Rob, or whoever you're self-defending against.
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Or if you're hunting.
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When you are hunting, it's not like, yo, deer, just chill for a second.
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There are types of weapons that are made for specific things and it is just so inviolable
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to ban weapons that can shoot at a bit of a faster rate or a lot of a faster rate that
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aren't automatic.
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Right?
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I see that.
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The harm they do is so much more than the good that they do.
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When you see these school shootings, when you see all the kids that are dying, it is
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doing so much harm when you can just shoot, shoot, shoot, and it's mangling these bodies.
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Of course, it's horrible, but the response would be that nevertheless, it would be a
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crude violation of the Second Amendment.
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And there are many statutes that say that you could never ban semi-automatic weapons
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because that is in and of itself a huge infringement of the Second Amendment because that's banning
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such a huge type of gun.
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So Ryan brings up the Second Amendment here and I'm kind of going to pivot us.
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So the specific wording of the Second Amendment says that a well-regulated militia being necessary
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to the security of a free state, the right to the people to keep and bear arms shall
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not be infringed.
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Luchana, what are you?
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Let me interrupt.
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This was originally created so we could rebel against a tyrannical government as said earlier
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in the preamble of the Constitution.
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We are not going to be able, let me make something clear.
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Right now with the guns we have, it would be very hard to overthrow a military as advanced
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as ours.
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With guns that you have to manually reload every time, it would be impossible.
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It would be like fighting with sticks against nuclear weapons.
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It is not viable and it would not fulfill the requirements of the Second Amendment to
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have people who are able and ready to overthrow a tyrannical government.
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I don't see it as possible.
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No one right now is trying to overthrow a tyrannical government.
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Right now it's not being used to kill elementary schoolers.
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But yet the Constitution entails that there has to be an ability for the people to overthrow
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a tyrannical government.
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Whether you like it or not, that's what the Constitution says.
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That's what checks and balances are for so the government doesn't get tyrannical.
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That's not what checks and balances are for.
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That's a total misinterpretation of the government.
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Cut that out.
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No, no, no.
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We're not doing that.
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No, no.
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Then cut out part of me saying cut it out.
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No.
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Clarify here.
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This is a very raw, uncut episode.
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The only cuts we are having is when we are reassessing and regrouping as a whole.
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The word we'd like to use is screaming, but like loving screaming, so that's okay.
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So back to my question, Lutana, what are your opinions on people using the Second Amendment
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to kind of defend themselves and to really take the Second Amendment as the most important
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amendment and we see this a lot in spaces that are more Republican leaning.
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I think that the Constitution has to adapt and adapt with the times and I think that
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I'm not sure what the problem is if it's not adapted.
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I think that the Second Amendment, like you have to, the Constitution in general, you
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have to be able to read it through the lens of the time you are living in and I think
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that you can have the right to keep in bare arms.
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Vice President Kamala said herself, I have a gun.
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I am not going to take away your gun, but she believes that there needs to be a gun
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and there needs to be regulations and so do I and I think that's not infringing on the
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right of you to keep in bare arms.
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Well two things.
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First thing, Lutana's regulations until taking away 50% of American guns.
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That's hundreds of millions of guns.
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Let me just say that to preface it, but secondly, she requires a reinterpretation of the Constitution
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is what she just said and I'm quoting.
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That is so unconstitutional.
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I don't see it as even an option.
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There has to be a militia that is ready to overtake a tyrannical government.
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Whether or not that is warranted in today's societies is up besides the point.
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If you want to amend the Constitution, amend it, but it doesn't amend when you look at
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it and you feel like a certain way, right?
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It has to be amended through all the, as you said earlier, and this is using the correct
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terminology now, the checks and balances of government.
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That's how you amend the Constitution.
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You don't amend the Constitution by looking at it and interpreting it.
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That's set for the Supreme Court, but only in specific instances.
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Just to clarify Ryan's statistics here, semi-automatic firearms make up 20 to 25% of the roughly
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400 million privately owned firearms in the United States.
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I have 55% from Pew Research Center.
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We can debate statistics, but nevertheless, that is hundreds of millions of guns.
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Hundreds in that not only being in violation, you would require a constitutional amendment
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so large, you would be the first one in nearly 25 years.
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But I would also like to say, you said you were sure that Kamala has a semi-automatic
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gun.
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I don't believe she does because she supports assault weapon bans.
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Semi-automatic guns are not assault weapons.
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I'm not sure what you are lacking in the mind, but a Sig Sauer is not an assault weapon in
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any way, but yet it is semi-automatic.
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I don't see that as its own problem.
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Do not question the mental capability of the opponent.
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In fact, Jackie, you on that?
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Not all semi-automatic weapons are assault weapons.
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In fact, not a lot of them are.
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Assault weapons are stuff as AR-15s and stuff like that.
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Yes?
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But those are still used in school shootings.
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Anything could be used in school shooting.
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A knife could be used in school shooting.
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This is a school knife thing.
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Sorry, school knife, school stabbing.
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Let's move on to our next question.
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Luchana, specifically, what do you think we can do to prevent school shootings or to lessen
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the amount that we have each year?
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I think this is a great question, Elle.
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First, I've talked a ton about how I don't think we need semi-automatic guns, but I'm
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not going to reiterate that.
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I'm going to talk about other things.
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I think that is probably the most important thing, but aside from that and aside from
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controlling who is able to get their hands on any sort of gun, I think it's important
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to have security in schools.
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I think it's important to be able to make sure you know who's going in and out, have
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a good security team in the school.
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I also think it's important that students who are having issues and are thinking, I
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want to shoot up a school that they have someone to talk to so they don't do that, because
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93% of school shooters planned their attack in advance.
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Almost every documented case of active shooters, warning signs were shown, and almost all mass
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school shooters should threaten or concerning messages or images.
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More than 75% raised concerns from others prior to the attacks.
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And also along with this-
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Sorry, sorry.
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Luchrana just made that whole thing up.
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She cut it and then she restarted so I could interrupt her.
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She just spent three minutes searching for her statistics.
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I haven't opened my computer once, just to be very clear this whole time.
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I'm doing this off my head.
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She has statistics from-
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So maybe I need-
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Let me just clear a-
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A partisan organization.
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No, I just memorized them beforehand.
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She has details from a partisan organization and I just wanted to point that out, so I'm
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just going to give it back to her just so everybody knew kind of the background of what's
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happening right now.
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Yes, thank you so much.
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So I have facts, I have statistics.
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It seems like Ryan doesn't.
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I'm not sure what he- I don't know why he's arguing against facts.
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And some of my statistics are from a website that doesn't like school shootings.
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Ryan, do you like school shootings?
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I know you're a high school student.
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Would you like to die?
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Okay, okay.
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Let's-
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Let's go back to the original question, which was, can we prevent school shootings?
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Yes, no.
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Oh, I already gave that to Ryan Tal.
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Yes.
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No, no.
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I totally agreed with a lot of what Luciana said there.
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School shootings can be prevented through intervention, and they should be, but government
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regulation upon a lot of stuff that has already been deemed unconstitutional is a separate
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issue and I think we've already argued about that.
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But I do agree there has to be intervention, there has to be good security system regarding
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the school in question or in subject, and that most certainly needs to be it.
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But I mean, that's kind of just my take on it, but I do agree with a lot of stuff she
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said.
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Yeah, so I'm going to take this to a slightly more personal level.
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Our specific high school that we are attending, this is our first year there, so this was
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not while we were present at the school, but I know, at least for me, my brother was there.
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We have seen a couple instances where there have been students who have brought weapons
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or there have been weapons that have been on the campus.
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And specifically this year, our school has upped the security.
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Luciana, what are your opinions and do you think this will help our school, specifically
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our school, but also other schools if they were to do a similar thing, kind of limit
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the amount of ability that there would be to bring a weapon like this onto campus?
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I think this is a great question, Elle.
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I think it would be more impactful to get to the root cause of the issue, obviously
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guns, but I know we've talked so much about that.
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I know we've talked about that, so I'm not going to discuss that.
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I'm going to discuss the things that we specifically have.
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We have a ton of security guards at every entrance.
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You have to scan in and out so they know.
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And who's physically overpowered 90% of them?
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These are not people that are presenting much of a problem.
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I agree.
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They need weapons and they need weapons training.
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I think they should be more trained in fact.
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I honestly agree.
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I think that this is going to do a little bit, but if a student was the one bringing
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a gun in, I don't think it would do that much.
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I know they have a new policy of acknowledge caretell.
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That is a joke.
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I think it is absolutely a joke.
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Just to be very clear, that's a joke.
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I think it is too.
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You're supposed to, if you see something, it's going along the lines of if you see something,
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say something.
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And I don't think they understand the kind of peer pressure these days.
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No one's going to be the first one to stand up.
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Well, no, no.
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If anybody sees a gun, they're going to say something.
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Let me just be clear.
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But if you're a good, okay, I'm putting this in your quotes, a good school shooter, you're
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going to make sure people don't really see this.
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Four out of five school shootings.
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At least one other person had knowledge of the attacker's plan, but failed to report
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it, Ryan.
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Because no, no, no.
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Let me be very clear.
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That person of which they would know of is not a person who's just a random, they don't
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just go to a random person's school and they're like, yo, I'm going to plan a school shooting.
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You think that's cool?
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No, they're talking to their friends, people who are in the same mind space, right?
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These are not, they're not just, because if you presented a gun to her, if I saw a gun
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or anybody really saw a gun at a random part in the school, do you think that just, they
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would just be like, no, do you know what?
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That's kind of cool actually.
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Let me not report that to the principal.
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The school shooters aren't going to be, the school shooters aren't going to walk around
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with the gun sticking out of their backpack until they're shooting.
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It's going to be the friends that know.
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It's the, that's, it's going to be the friends that know and it's going to be the friends
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that don't do anything.
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Of course, but the friends are the people who are also in the same mind space as these
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school shooters.
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That's, you could just say, you could, most definitely they are associating with the person.
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People who associate with each other tend to share ideals, mind spaces, stuff like that.
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So that's what I kind of see.
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I agree.
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But there just needs to be more like this isn't what happens.
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And I think there should be more security in the schools, but also if a student wanted
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to come in with a gun, the student could bring a gun in and most of these shootings are done
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by students.
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So I think that's kind of an issue that our school isn't really considering.
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Do we think that there should be more of a police presence on high school and college
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campuses and even elementary schools, which are another super big target that we see in
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school shootings.
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A lot of them do happen in elementary schools.
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And also what are our opinions on some schools mandating clear backpacks and putting in metal
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detectors?
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I think that these things in the most, like they're annoying in day to day life.
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What, you have to buy a clear backpack?
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That's annoying.
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You have to go through a metal detector.
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That's annoying, but it's more annoying to be dead.
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So I think that it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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I don't think I would be thrilled about it, but I would be thrilled to not die.
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So I mean, I don't think it was thrilled to not die.
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That's just consider life, but that's a separate issue.
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Not dying is called life.
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People are just, they're usually kind of medium on life.
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So to kind of talk about that metal detectors are a very easy way to kind of solve this
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for students and staff.
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They walk through metal techers, pretty simple.
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There are some caveats because some school stuff happens to be made out of metal, but
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that's a separate issue for a separate day.
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And it can be pretty easily solved.
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However, clear backpacks, I'm bit wishy washy.
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I haven't seen that as much actually publicly in reading about stuff.
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And I see that as kind of just like an annoyance for everybody involved and for the students.
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And it kind of a bit of a, you know, it's not necessarily just the best look for the
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United States, for every childhood wearing a clear backpack to school so that we know
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that they have guns.
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That's what stadiums do.
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It's not the best look for the United States to have mass shootings all the time.
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Yes, it isn't.
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I agree.
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But it's, no one's going to care if you have clear backpacks.
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Like clear backpacks, whatever.
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School shootings is actually something that gives us a bad rap.
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No one's going to be like, oh, the United States, they have clear backpacks.
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I know, but-
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No, it's, oh, the United States, they have no gun regulations and children are dying.
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We do have immense gun regulations, however-
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Do we?
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Yes.
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However, we in fact have a whole agency.
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It's called the ATF.
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Yeah, so what specifically are these regulations, Ryan?
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Let's pivot there.
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Let's talk more policy-based.
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Sure.
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We can talk about the, in a bipartisan effort in the 1960s, 1970s to eradicate automatic
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weapons, actually it was a bit earlier, but that was a separate one, to eradicate automatic
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weapons from our streets.
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It was a big problem up until then.
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This was around right after World War II and it was a big problem facing the United States
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and bipartisan legislature came together to ban these weapons of mass destruction.
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Not weapons of mass destruction as in chemical warfare, stuff like that, but weapons of mass
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destruction as in urban mass destruction such as machine guns, automatic weapons, guns that
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you just hold down the trigger and they spray, stuff like that.
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There has been much bipartisan legislature you see on that kind of thing, stuff that
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is just very common sense.
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Also in the states and in local municipalities, you see much gun regulation.
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That's kind of where I see that.
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So that was a really Ryan-specific question and we weren't actually going to have Luchana
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answer it.
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That's true.
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So I'm going to kind of pivot us again and we are going to focus more on the consequences
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of school shootings.
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Death.
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The consequences, yeah.
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Death.
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I'm with Luchana.
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No.
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The consequences of school shootings are death.
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I meant of the shooters.
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I meant of the shooters.
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So not of them specifically, but we've seen recently more of their family members have
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also been getting charged.
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That was what I was on earlier.
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The parents of the school shooters in most cases are liable.
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However, in some cases, and what I've kind of been seeing is there is a bit, they charged
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the most recent parents of a school shooting with second degree murder.
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I don't think, second degree murder is murder where you didn't plan it beforehand.
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I think that the parents in a lot of cases can be charged for manslaughter, but I don't
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think especially if you're not directly committed to the crime, it would ever constitute second
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degree murder.
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I think manslaughter is a much more reasonable charge personally.
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I also don't think legally.
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First degree murder is obviously planning out a murder.
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Second degree murder is if it happens basically spontaneously, not kind of quasi spontaneously.
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But I don't think that these parents should have that charge appended to them, but manslaughter
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carries just as much of a penalty in a lot of cases, and I see that as a punishment for
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parents who have been negligent.
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But you also have to remember, not all parents with these school shooters are negligent.
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In fact, there are a lot of good parents who never had any clue who were very responsible.
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It was a sad thing.
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No, no.
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I think there's no way that parents could have no clue because if they're genuinely
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not seeing the signs, they're probably a neglectful parent.
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There is no way all of- there is no way- 93% of school shooters- sorry, Ryan was trying
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to interrupt me.
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93% of school shooters showed signs of advance, and in almost every documented case of active
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shooters, warning signs were shown.
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These are obvious.
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These are children that they have an interest in violence.
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These are children that are telling their peers.
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These are children who have raised alarm bells before, and the parents aren't doing anything
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about it, and more than that, they have access to guns in their home, and I think that the
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parents are absolutely responsible.
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Lou, do you think the schools should also be held responsible to a certain degree, specifically
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if a child were to have gone to be counselor?
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I think this is actually an interesting question that I hadn't thought of.
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I honestly hadn't- that never occurred to me.
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I think that's an incredible question, Elle, and I think it's- I think if someone is telling
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a counselor, a dean, a principal, a teacher, then yes, and the school doesn't do anything
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about it, then yes, I do think that the schools are responsible because they are putting other
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students in danger.
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So I think it's kind of the same role as the parents, and I think that- yeah, I think that's-
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I think if you're- I think that if the school is doing the same thing that the parents are
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doing, being negligent, not reporting signs, then yes, they should be held accountable.
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So I think that this is something we don't see a lot, but maybe we'll see more of in
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the near future.
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I have nothing to comment.
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Okay, let's move on then.
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So now we're going to move more away from school shooting and talk about more general
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gun control and things like that.
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So, hi, I'm going to pause for a second right here just to kind of explain this big jump
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you are going to hear in the audio in a couple seconds.
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So I know we said at the beginning this was going to be a pretty unedited version, but
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I am right now cutting probably a three minute section of complete screaming.
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You literally could not hear anything anyone was saying.
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No questions were asked, no points were made.
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It's not valuable to this conversation, and it really just kind of gave an unprofessional
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look to the episode.
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And this is a super serious important topic, and I feel like that was not the main point
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of this episode.
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And I know some of you might be listening solely for that, the yelling, which, I mean,
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who could really blame you?
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It's pretty entertaining to hear people yell about politics, and we see it a lot in today's
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world.
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But I felt that cutting it and jumping to a part where Ryan is asking the trauma question,
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which happened directly after those couple minutes of the screaming, was a better choice
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than to leave it in.
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So please don't be shocked when you hear this major audio cut and jump between what I just
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said and what Ryan is about to say.
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I would like to talk actually about gun-free zones and what Luchana's opinion is on that
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and what she sees.
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Ryan has taken over my job!
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In gun-free zones.
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Sorry.
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What's your opinion on gun-free zones?
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Because what I see is that gun-free zones are great, except they present an option for
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criminals in a defenseless area, a place where law-abiding citizens don't have any guns.
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So if a criminal really wanted to go somewhere to get either murder somebody or steal somebody's
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money or whatever, it would be much more advantageous to go to a gun-free zone than somewhere where
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guns were prevalent.
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I think that this is a really interesting question, Ryan, and I think this is exactly
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why most people don't support banning all guns.
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I think this is why Kamala herself-
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How does that do with banning all guns?
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Excuse me.
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I think this is why Kamala herself has said, I have a gun, I'm not taking away your gun,
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because she-
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She doesn't send out a gun just to be very clear.
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How do you know this?
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What are your sources?
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Huh?
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Because over 55% of guns, a majority-
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20%!
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I'm not sure where you're getting this from.
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20%!
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Is that from like SandyHills.gov or something like that?
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I will give this point to Ryan here, there is a very low chance that our current vice
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president has a gun that is not semi-automatic.
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But we can't be stating that as a fact if we don't know.
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No, but you're so anti, do you think that-
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So I'm actually going to ask Luchana to either answer this question or to have us move on.
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Luchana, what are your opinions?
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Oh, I was answering, then I was interrupted, then so-
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No, you went on a separate tangent about gun restrictions!
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Please just continue with your answer to this question.
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I think this is why most people don't support banning all guns, because then it does leave
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people defenseless.
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No, banning all guns is a blatant violation of our nation's constitution.
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That's a separate issue.
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Get on the point please!
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Don't want to hear talking about banning all guns.
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Please answer the question.
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I don't think all guns should be banned in certain areas, that's what I'm saying!
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You're talking about gun-free zones, I don't think-
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Ryan's question to you was, do you think gun-free zones are useful, as if someone really wanted
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to do mass damage, they would go into these gun-free zones?
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Not really, I don't think that they're useful.
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No, that's what I was saying.
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Okay, well, no, I would like to point out that obviously I have kind of been forced
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to take up a more conservative point in this argument, Luchana liberal, inherently, but
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that is one of the very liberal places that has been proposed in the past few years, and
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she's not even supportive of it, so I don't see that as quite of a point that a lot of
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liberal rhetoric and propaganda has to be.
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But Elle, I'll give it back to you.
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Thank you!
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So, Luchana mentioned that she wanted to talk about how this specifically- how gun violence
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affects minorities, whether that be race, sexuality, ethnicity, things like that.
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So Luchana, how are we seeing the effects of gun violence on these minority groups?
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Well, I think first of all, 90% of teenagers killed in an act of dating violence were girls.
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I would also like to say that children of color are more likely to experience campus
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gun violence.
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It's twice as likely for Hispanic students and three times as likely for Black students.
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Also, Black youth are four times more likely to be killed with guns than their white peers.
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One in five gay children have been threatened or injured with a weapon on school property,
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and children living in poverty are more likely to die due to gun violence than more affluent
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peers.
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Sorry.
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So, I just think that this is really affecting minorities, and if it was primarily affecting
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rich white children, more would be done.
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At one point, well, Luchana was saying that I'm going to quote Elle word for word right
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now for that dating thing, and then I'm just going to leave it at this.
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Elle's quote is, of course, 90% of it's women.
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I'm just going to leave it there.
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Take that and ask Elle what she means by that, and maybe you'll see what she's trying to
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say.
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What do you mean by that?
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I am assuming the statistic is mainly focused on heterosexual relationships, and in most
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of these relationships, the women will be seen as smaller.
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It's mainly just like the idea-
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Men possess more potential power.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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The physical difference between a man and a woman are very vast, and this is a whole
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other issue that we can get into in a whole other debate if you guys would like to see
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that.
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But it would make zero sense for that statistic to be flipped.
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That's more what I mean by that.
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Yeah.
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That's what that statistic is that-
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It's the same idea as domestic violence.
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What were your other points, T'Channa?
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Did you listen?
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No, I was.
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I just got sidetracked about me and Elle talking about the badness of your statistic.
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I think we should focus on active listening here, but it was that-
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Well, she was focusing on this active listening little tangent she had.
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She needs to pull up her statistics, so just give her half a minute just quickly.
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Excuse you.
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I am-
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Okay, okay.
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Let's get back.
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We've already talked about this, T'Channa, Ryan.
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I'm going to ask you guys to be civil, get back to this discussion, and we've already
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gone on about how we are taking slight pauses for statistical research.
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I have my statistics.
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I recited my statistics.
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Ryan, if you don't remember, that's okay.
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She talked about specifically in communities in poverty, how they are more exposed to gun
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violence.
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She talked about how one in five LGBTQ plus teens have been threatened with a gun at school.
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I'm not here to, obviously, ever debate statistics about that.
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I believe both of those are most likely true.
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The LGBTQ, that's a very sad thing.
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I mean, there are many perventions and attacks that could be taken.
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Well, the two beside me are scrolling on Instagram right now.
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But beyond that, I would like to talk a bit about poverty and gun violence.
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I think inherently, there is a correlation in almost every country between gun violence
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and the level of living condition you are in.
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Richer people tend to have less gun violence.
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This is because they live in neighborhoods that are less riddled with gun violence.
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This is a product-
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Why?
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Why do you think this is?
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Because people with less money, they tend to live in neighborhoods with gangs and where
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gun violence is prevalent.
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I see that as more of a product of their financial situation and where they live than of the
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actual guns themselves.
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The guns just kind of migrate there because of the gang and the semi-lifestyle because
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of a neighborhood that is impoverished and in poverty.
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If the regulations that Luchana has been suggesting throughout this entire episode, would that
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riddle down on gang violence and in turn kind of rule down on the gang presence we see in
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lower poverty areas?
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No.
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In fact, it would make it worse because there are a lot... There are these things called
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ghost guns.
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I'm not reading from a computer right now, God forbid.
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There are things called ghost guns.
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They are guns that are constructed with a serial number.
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They are not on the registry anywhere.
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These are guns that are made primarily used by gangs and drug cartels.
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Those are the two main users.
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When you ban guns that are good, the ones that are going to be used by gangs, you are
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only making ghost guns more prevalent than they already are.
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The guns that are used by gangs, they're going to get them either way.
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They don't care whether they get them from the store down the street somehow.
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I'm not sure how.
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Or by a trade that would be done underground in less official channels.
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I would see it as actually producing more ghost guns.
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Ghost guns are definitively a horrible thing because it allows gun not to be traced.
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It allows nobody to be held accountable for action unless there is an actual physical
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description of the scene.
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You can't trace the gun to anybody.
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It makes it a lot harder.
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I'll pawn that back off to Luchana.
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I actually agree with you, Ryan.
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I think that this is definitely an issue.
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People... Gang people, they can find ways to get these guns.
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I just think this is a whole separate issue.
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For the first time, I think I agree with pretty much everything you said.
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I would also just like to say on a different note, I don't know why we have been treating
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using research and statistics like it's a terrible thing this whole episode.
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That's not what I've been saying.
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I've just been saying that I've been doing this in a much more vulnerable position than
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you have.
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I'm just saying that somebody is more prepared inherently that comes with the territory.
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That will conclude today's debate.
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I'm going to let each of them finish up not in this specific debate character.
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If Ryan wants to talk in his actual personal opinions, I will let him do so now.
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Look, there's not enough time to espouse my personal opinions, but these were manufactured
39:26
just to be very clear.
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These do not represent my personal opinions, but... They may represent some or all or
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none, but this was me being forced as I allowed myself to be into a position of a conservative
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gun activist and Luchana being forced more liberal naturally, however.
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Yes, I had a lot of fun recording this debate.
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I would like to mention that Ryan wasn't forced.
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He was excited to play devil's advocate, but as always, we have no tension in real life.
39:59
We have differing political views, but so does everyone, no two people have the exact
40:03
same views on every issue, and it was a really great constructive discussion.
40:08
The screaming was just for fun.
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I swear we have a great time recording these, and this has been such an amazing experience
40:16
for us.
40:17
There was only a few phones thrown across the room in the recording of this podcast.
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I'm not joking.
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Are we good?
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Should I wrap up?
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Yes, we are.
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Okay.
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