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Parents of 'Baby-Faced Killer' Hiding on Canadian Border · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Mommy and Daddy go on the run? Why Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Well, here's a hint and why Mommy
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Speaker 1: and Daddy go on the run. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our twenty nine from Fox be on the lookout. A
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Speaker 1: BOLO alert has been issued for James and Jennifer crumby
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Speaker 1: the parents of Ethan Crumbley, they accused Oxford High School shooter. Now,
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Speaker 1: we did have our reporter confirmed through two police departments
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Speaker 1: that a statewide BOLO was issued for the Crumblies just
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Speaker 1: here on Friday afternoon, hours after they were charged with
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Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter in connection to the Oxford High School shootings. Now,
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Speaker 1: a description of the vehicle or a last possible known
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Speaker 1: location was released. Anyone who sees the Crumblies, they are
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Speaker 1: pitcher here on your screen in that left hand box,
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Speaker 1: your urge to call police. The Crumblies were charged just
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Speaker 1: today with four counts of involuntary manslaughtered four counts of
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Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter. Mommy and Daddy gave on the run. Here's
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Speaker 1: a little more information. Take a listen to Peter Thomas,
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Speaker 1: ABC student John Edwards describing the chaos to our affiliate
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Speaker 1: w x y Z pay we hear our principle, mister
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Speaker 1: Wolf shouting, Alice, lockdown, Alice, lockdown, and then we hear
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Speaker 1: the gunshots in the clash, and so we lockdown, turn
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Speaker 1: the lights off. Our teacher got paper taped over the
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Speaker 1: window on the door and got his two big tabled
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Speaker 1: and barricaded the door. It's just scared. I was praying for,
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Speaker 1: you know, my safety, my friend safety, you know, everyone's safety.
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Speaker 1: Edwards able to call his mother he's here and his
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Speaker 1: voice and I told my good maybe I'm on my way.
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Speaker 1: I've never been so scared in my life. School officials left. Really,
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Speaker 1: of course, I'm shocked. That's a devastatedent, really shocked and devastated.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that teacher was. But guess what, there were
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Speaker 1: warning signs and lots of them. Not everyone should be
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Speaker 1: should be so shocked, and that includes so school officials
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Speaker 1: and mommy and daddy. Why does so many students have
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Speaker 1: to die, I mean, young students. Can you imagine all
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Speaker 1: the times my students, my children, your children, other students
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Speaker 1: at school have practiced lockdowns, and this teacher, I think
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Speaker 1: a hero teacher goes into goes into lockdown mode, locking
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Speaker 1: the door to the classroom, barricating the door to the classroom,
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Speaker 1: turning the lights. Also the shooter can't see through into
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Speaker 1: the classroom. Putting paper up so the shooter can't see
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Speaker 1: three and take pot shots his shoodents hiding inside the classroom.
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Speaker 1: Things we've learned from so many other school shootings. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen, embrace yourself. It's classroom video. Yeah, yeah, he said.
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Speaker 1: We're not wanting to take that risk right out. We're
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Speaker 1: not taking that risk right out. Yeah, bro, he said,
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Speaker 1: bro red flags. Hold on your phone. You can hear
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Speaker 1: the students hustling and rustling, trying to get out windows,
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Speaker 1: trying to find a way out. You can hear a
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Speaker 1: teacher saying put down your bags, forget your bags, just
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Speaker 1: get out. That's actual sound from the school shooting. And
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Speaker 1: if you can let yourself, let your mind go there,
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Speaker 1: imagine your children in that situation trying to put down
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Speaker 1: their bags and get out a windows, sneak out anyway
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Speaker 1: they can after they hear gunshots ringing out in the
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Speaker 1: hall again. I Mancy Graceis's Crime Stories, thanks for being
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Speaker 1: with us at Fox Nation. In Serious Sex one eleven,
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Speaker 1: Mommy and Daddy go on to run after their son
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Speaker 1: does that The Baby Face Killer with me and All
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Speaker 1: Star Panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: Spencer Course and Founder, President Course and Security Group, author
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Speaker 1: of The Safety Trap, a security expert Secrets for Staying
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Speaker 1: Safe in a Dangerous World. Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: joining us out of LA. Doctor Jory Krausen, psychologist, faculty
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Speaker 1: Saint Leo University and consultant, author of Operation s OS.
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone twenty seven years with the FBI at Bobby
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Speaker 1: Chicone dot com. Doctor Tim Gallagher joining us the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner for the entire state of Florida. You can find
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Speaker 1: me atpathcaremed dot com. But joining us right now Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com. Investigative reporter Alexis Terreschuk. Alexis, your son
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Speaker 1: is approaching the age of these students. Did you hear
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Speaker 1: that mother saying she was telling her son, baby, I'm
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Speaker 1: on the way, I'm on the way, I'm on the weight,
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Speaker 1: like she could do anything about it. I'm just overwhelmed
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Speaker 1: at all the warning signs. And these victims are so young, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: how old are the victims that lost their lives? These
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Speaker 1: kids were so young. So there were four students so
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Speaker 1: far that have died. Now there are still kids that
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Speaker 1: are in the hospital in critical conditions. So right now
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Speaker 1: we have four. Madison was fourteen, Juliana was fifteen, Kate
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Speaker 1: is seven, was seventeen, and Justin was seventeen. None of
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Speaker 1: these kids were even eighteen years old. Yet two of
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Speaker 1: them couldn't even drive, yet one of them just fourteen
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Speaker 1: years old. What exactly happened? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut ten The drama unfolded at Oxford High School outside Detroit.
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Speaker 1: We're in lockdown right now. Teachers and students rushed to
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Speaker 1: barricade the doors. Police disarmed the fifteen year old shooter
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Speaker 1: within five minutes, but four students were killed and seven
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Speaker 1: others wounded, including a teacher. Sixteen year old Tate Mier
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Speaker 1: died a hero trying to disarm the shooter. Everything about
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Speaker 1: us was talk. Tate Mier was number forty two on
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Speaker 1: the football team. Today, there's a petition to name the
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Speaker 1: school stadium after him. Madison Baldwin was a bright seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old senior. Amid the chaos after the shooting, her
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Speaker 1: grandmother appealed for information on Facebook. Please help my granddaughter.
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Speaker 1: Madison cannot be located. Please ask your children if they've
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Speaker 1: seen her. Sadly, Madison was among those slain. Hannah Saint
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Speaker 1: Julianna is the youngest victim, just fourteen years old. She
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Speaker 1: was a talented volleyball player. Just thinking about this little
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Speaker 1: girl fourteen years old, the age of my daughter Lucy
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Speaker 1: and my son David. She's a volleyball player, just like
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Speaker 1: my daughter. And I think doctor Jorry Cross and psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us faculty Saint Leo University. I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of people think, oh, that's in a different state, that's
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Speaker 1: in a different community, that would never happen in my community.
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Speaker 1: It's happening everywhere. You can't disassociate yourself from what's happening
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Speaker 1: at this school by saying, oh, that's somewhere other than
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Speaker 1: where I live. Because you remember, the whole thing started
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Speaker 1: really or came into our consciousness at Columbine, and then
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Speaker 1: there's been so many after that go ahead. You think
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Speaker 1: we would learn, especially after Columbine, and there are certain
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Speaker 1: protocols that have been put in place for counselors and
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Speaker 1: psychologists to follow in dealing with students like this, and
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Speaker 1: I see some of those that work followed. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but what I heard. A lot of those were being followed,
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Speaker 1: but it can't save you from a school shooter from
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Speaker 1: within the school. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're
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Speaker 1: talking about the so called baby face shoeter Ethan Crumbley.
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Speaker 1: Alexis Terrestchuk. There were a lot of red flags. For instance,
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Speaker 1: take a listen in our cut fourteen. This is Lynda
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Speaker 1: Schmidt Fox five. A lieutenant provided new details about the shooting.
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Speaker 1: The school security video shows Ethan exited a bathroom in
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Speaker 1: the hallway and megan shooting at students. Students then barricading
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Speaker 1: themselves in classrooms behind stacks of desks and shares, others
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Speaker 1: racing out of school to safety. Officers say they have
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Speaker 1: a journal written by Ethan Crumbley taken from his backpack,
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Speaker 1: where he expresses his desire to murder students. Is well
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Speaker 1: his two videos recovered from Crumbly's cell phone did a
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Speaker 1: video made by him the night before the incident we're
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Speaker 1: in He talked about shooting and killing students the next
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Speaker 1: day at Oxford High School. The prosecutor saying the teenager
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Speaker 1: planned the mass shooting. I am absolutely sure after reviewing
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Speaker 1: the evidence that it isn't even a close call. It
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Speaker 1: was absolutely pre meditating. The teenager and his parents had
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Speaker 1: spoken with school officials that morning at the school about
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Speaker 1: some concerning behavior in class, but authorities say there was
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Speaker 1: no indication of a possible shooting concerning behavior and class.
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Speaker 1: Alexas terres check what concerning behavior in class? So there
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Speaker 1: were a teacher saw that he had done a drawing.
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Speaker 1: Ethan did a drawing which showed a person being shot
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Speaker 1: with a gun on it and blood everywhere. So he
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Speaker 1: you know, we're students doodle who they love or who
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Speaker 1: they were their favorite artists in class, he would doing
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Speaker 1: a doodling of a murder then and it was talking
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Speaker 1: on there about shooting it, and it just said help me,
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Speaker 1: help me, I know, I know. Again his fiser Courson.
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Speaker 1: Why wasn't he taken out of class right then that minute? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they did take him out of class and they talked
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Speaker 1: to him and they left to let him back. It's
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Speaker 1: my point, take him out and keep him out right.
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Speaker 1: This is the problem we see with schools time and
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Speaker 1: time again is that they're very good at identifying the
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Speaker 1: pre intident indicators of violence, but they don't know what
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Speaker 1: to do next when these students who do not have
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Speaker 1: the emotional maturity to ask for help and ask out
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Speaker 1: and raighs like these drawings, they're all but crying out
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Speaker 1: for the attention of those who you know, help them
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Speaker 1: with their pain, with their suffering, with their training. When
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Speaker 1: we stop, stop, you're making my teeth herb Why are
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Speaker 1: we talking about his pain? Yes, I want a student
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Speaker 1: that's suffering emotionally to get help. Oh absolutely, But I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about protecting all the other innocent students. Maybe if
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Speaker 1: what if we treated him ten years ago? What if?
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Speaker 1: There is no time for what ifs in these situations.
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Speaker 1: Of course, in a perfect world, you want someone treated
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Speaker 1: the moment they began having an emotional mental issue, Bobby Chicone.
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Speaker 1: But when a teacher sees gun blood, I want to
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Speaker 1: kill my other students. That's when he gets taken out pronto.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking you. Yeah, Nancy, I don't even
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Speaker 1: see this as almost him in pain. It looks to
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Speaker 1: me like he was reveling in and he was in
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Speaker 1: fantasizing about carrying the sitting out. He wanted to do this,
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Speaker 1: he was planning on doing it, and he had some
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Speaker 1: and he had two parents who probably knew he was
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Speaker 1: going to do it, and then they provided him the
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Speaker 1: means to do it. So this is an egregious case.
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Speaker 1: I'm sick about it, Bobby, I'm sick, and I know
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty to the choir right here right now, because
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Speaker 1: everybody on this panel has dealt with something similar to this.
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Speaker 1: But why we she come? I mean, you were one
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Speaker 1: of the FEDS, the FBI that pulled the body parts
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Speaker 1: of Samantha Konig out of the water. Okay, you've seen this.
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Speaker 1: She was a teen like this. My point is, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I want everyone, not just teens, but everyone that has
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Speaker 1: a mental or emotional crisis to be treated. Of course,
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Speaker 1: but that's a day late and a dollar short short
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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned right now, Guys, how in
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Speaker 1: the hey did he get a gun? Fifteen years old?
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Speaker 1: And listen to this, it's a six hour take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut seventeen jeans. Crumbly purchased a six hour,
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Speaker 1: nine millimeter MODELSP. Twenty twenty two from ACME Shooting Goods
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Speaker 1: in Oxford, Michigan on November twenty six, twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: A store employee confirms that Ethan Crumbly was present with
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Speaker 1: James at the time of the purchase. Her statute James
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Speaker 1: Crumbley completed atf Form three hundred nine A fifty three
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Speaker 1: hundred nine eight honor. About November twenty six, twenty one,
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Speaker 1: Ethan Crumbley's social media posts revealed photos of the semi
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Speaker 1: automatic handgun along with the caption just got my new
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Speaker 1: beauty today, including anmoji with hearts sigsour nine millimeter any
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Speaker 1: questions I will answer end quote. Subsequent to the purchase
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Speaker 1: of that weapon, one of Jennifer Crumbley's social media posts
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Speaker 1: on about eleven, twenty seven, twenty one read quote mom
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Speaker 1: and Sunday testing out his new Christmas present end quote,
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Speaker 1: and they posted that explained that to me. Alexis raz Chuk,
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Speaker 1: the mom Jennifer Crumbley, she was put on her social
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Speaker 1: media the day after the dad and Ethan went to
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Speaker 1: purchase the gun, but she was spending the day with
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Speaker 1: her son trying out his new Christmas presence, so they
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Speaker 1: were going somewhere to practice firing the gun. These are
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Speaker 1: not the only guns in the house. There are videos
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Speaker 1: police news videos a police officers carrying armloads of weapons
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Speaker 1: out of the home. They appear to be long barrel rifles.
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Speaker 1: So this is not the only firearm. Okay, So Alexis
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Speaker 1: Rush Chuck, I understand how you feel about gun control.
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Speaker 1: I also approve of certain gun controls myself. I don't
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Speaker 1: like guns. I'm a victim of gun violence. My fiancee
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Speaker 1: was murdered. I get it. But Troy Layton, in this country,
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Speaker 1: it's not a crime to keep guns in your home,
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Speaker 1: especially when you have them being kept pursuant to the law. Right,
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Speaker 1: That's correct, Nancy, And Michigan does not have a strong
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Speaker 1: or really any child access prevention laws, so it was
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Speaker 1: not illegal for the parents to keep guns in the house,
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Speaker 1: and there is no requirement in their state to have
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Speaker 1: those guns locked in a gun safe or with trigger
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Speaker 1: locks on them. So as much as we don't like
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Speaker 1: the way the guns were kept, and I don't like
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Speaker 1: a teen boy having access to a gun without parental
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Speaker 1: supervision in any way, that's the law there, and as
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Speaker 1: of right now, they can card out one hundred long
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Speaker 1: guns in that jurisdiction and it is not a crime.
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Speaker 1: But I want you to take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut nineteen. This is the Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald
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Speaker 1: listen on November thirty, twenty one, the morning of the shooting.
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Speaker 1: The next day, Ethan Crumbley's teacher came upon a note
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Speaker 1: on Ethan's desk, which alarmed her to the point that
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Speaker 1: she took a picture of it on her cell phone.
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Speaker 1: The note contained the following, a drawing of a semi
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Speaker 1: automatic handgun pointing at the words quote the thoughts won't
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Speaker 1: stop help me end quote. In another section of the
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Speaker 1: note was a drawing of a bullet with the following words.
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Speaker 1: Above that bullet quote blood everywhere. End quote. Between the
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Speaker 1: drawing of the gun and the bullet is a drawing
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Speaker 1: of a person who appears to have been shot twice
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Speaker 1: and bleeding. Below that figure is a drawing of a
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Speaker 1: laughing emoji. Further down the drawing or their words quote
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Speaker 1: my life is useless end quote, and so the night
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Speaker 1: right of that are the words quote the world is dead.
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Speaker 1: End quote. Let me go to Doctor Tim Gallagher joining
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Speaker 1: us the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida
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Speaker 1: at pathcaremed dot com. He's a lecturer University Florida Med
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Speaker 1: School in forensic medicine, the founder and host of the
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Speaker 1: International Forensic Medicine death Investigation Conference. I could go on,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, thank you for being with us. Based on
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Speaker 1: the wounds that we believe the children suffered, do you
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Speaker 1: believe that they died instantly or did they lie there
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Speaker 1: in pain sharing all the chaos and the screams and
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Speaker 1: the gunshots around them. Well, without knowing exactly you know
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Speaker 1: where they were shot and what organs were destroyed in
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Speaker 1: their bodies, I'd have to say that the most likely
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Speaker 1: thing would be they are young, they are healthy, they
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Speaker 1: have no other diseases, they don't have any diabetes or
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Speaker 1: obesity or anything like that. That they had vergid resilience
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Speaker 1: to a gunshot wound. So my first impression would be
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Speaker 1: that because they are healthy and they did receive a wound,
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Speaker 1: that they would be able to resist succumbing immediately to it.
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Speaker 1: And so my impression would be that there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of suffering of going on before they finally succumbed
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Speaker 1: to their wounds, Doctor Gallagher, As you were dying and
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Speaker 1: at for instance, in this case, bleeding out, do you
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Speaker 1: slowly lose consciousness or is it just like somebody cuts
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Speaker 1: the lights off? People do describe it, people who are
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Speaker 1: doing it in near death experiences do describe it as
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Speaker 1: an elongated process. Nothing that's a very immediate. They say
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Speaker 1: that they come to peace with the fact that they
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Speaker 1: are expiring, that a wave of calmness and peace comes
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Speaker 1: over them, you know, in their final moment. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, guys thinking of these students dying and
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Speaker 1: back to you, Alexis Terres, shuck, what were there ages? Again?
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Speaker 1: Anna was fourteen, Kate was sixteen, Justin was seventeen, and
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Speaker 1: Madison was seventeen. These are all such young childre then
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Speaker 1: and you know what, Kate was actually taken. One of
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Speaker 1: the police officers who responded to the scene. Kate was
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Speaker 1: still alive when he responded, he didn't even wait for
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Speaker 1: the ambulance. He I'm gound have cried, be so sad.
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Speaker 1: He grabbed heat and put him in his car to
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Speaker 1: rush into the hospital. He dived through his car. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: you know, Alexis, When I heard the audio that one
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Speaker 1: of the teams had made and you could hear them
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Speaker 1: rustling around trying to get out windows and the teacher's
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Speaker 1: gonna put down your backpack, forget that, just get out.
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Speaker 1: I just I can't help it. I put I superimposed
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Speaker 1: my children, John, David and Lucy into that situation and
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Speaker 1: it's almost more than I can bear. Especially upsetting are
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Speaker 1: the warning signals. Take a listen to our cut twenty.
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Speaker 1: James and Jennifer Crumbly were immediately summoned to the school.
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Speaker 1: A school counselor came to the classroom and removed the
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Speaker 1: shoot and brought him to the office with his backpack.
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Speaker 1: Counselor obtained the drawing, but the shooter had already altered it.
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Speaker 1: The drawings of the gun and the bloody figure were
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Speaker 1: scratched out, along with the words helped me and my
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Speaker 1: life is useless, the world is dead, and blood everywhere.
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Speaker 1: Those were all altered by him as the meeting. At
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Speaker 1: the meeting, James and Jennifer Crumbly were shown the drawing
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Speaker 1: and were advised that they were required to get their
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Speaker 1: son into counseling within forty eight hours. Both James and
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Crumbly failed to ask their son if he had
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Speaker 1: his gun with him or where his gun was located,
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Speaker 1: and failed to inspect his backpack for the presence of
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Speaker 1: the gun which he had with him. James and Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Crumbly resisted the idea of then leaving the school at
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Speaker 1: that time of their son leaving the school at that time. Instead,
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Speaker 1: James and Jennifer Crumbly left the high school without their son.
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Speaker 1: He was returned to the classroom. Is it true, Alexis
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Speaker 1: terres Chuck, that the Oxford High School counselors allowed Ethan
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Speaker 1: Cromwie to stay in classgo back in class the day
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Speaker 1: of the shooting after he claimed the geographic drawing of
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Speaker 1: blood and bullets was part of his plan to make
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Speaker 1: a video game. He actually duped them. Yes, that is
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Speaker 1: absolutely true. In fact, while he was taken out of
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Speaker 1: the classroom when the teacher saw the drawing, he in fact,
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Speaker 1: they had called his parents the day before because another
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Speaker 1: teacher had seen him on his cellphone searching googling ammunition.
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Speaker 1: That raised the first red flag, so the school called
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Speaker 1: the parents immediately. They did not respond to the school,
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Speaker 1: but the prosecutor has announced that his mom sent him
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Speaker 1: a text. Jennifer sent Ethan a text that said, I'm
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Speaker 1: not mad at you, lll You just need to learn
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Speaker 1: not to get caught. So he was. The day before
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Speaker 1: he'd been searching for ammunition. The school sent a morning
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Speaker 1: side to the parents and the mom thought it was
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Speaker 1: an lol Joe, which is laugh out low. Okay, you
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Speaker 1: need to tell me that very slowly again. The day
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Speaker 1: before the school a teacher caught Ethan Crumley scrolling what
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Speaker 1: through his iPhone looking for ammunition? Could you explain that again? Yes,
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Speaker 1: a teacher saw him on his phone searching, searching for ammunition,
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Speaker 1: gun ammunition. They this was a red flag to the teacher.
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Speaker 1: The teacher called somebody at the school that the school
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Speaker 1: alerted his parents. They left the parents a message. The
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Speaker 1: parents did not respond, is what the proseuders have said. Instead,
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Speaker 1: one after the shooting happened, when they had Ethan's phone,
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Speaker 1: they saw a text message from his mom that said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you. You just need to learn
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Speaker 1: how to not get caught lol. What is that to you,
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Speaker 1: Doctor joy Cross? Is just complete denial on the school
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Speaker 1: park system. I are you the mom her son? And
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Speaker 1: what is he doing scrolling to ammunition at school? Anyway?
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Speaker 1: Why wasn't that phone taken away or some reprimand or
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Speaker 1: some sort Why I see looking at that during class? Well,
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Speaker 1: again you go back to the Michigan law. That's not
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Speaker 1: against the law. It may be a red flag, but
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Speaker 1: once the red flags up there. They didn't respond properly
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Speaker 1: do it. What I'm saying is, why is he scrolling
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Speaker 1: on his phone during school anyway? That said the parents
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Speaker 1: don't even call back, Alexis, they did not. They did
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Speaker 1: the school so far that what we've learned from the schools,
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Speaker 1: they did not call back for them. They were there
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Speaker 1: the next day. And then when Ethan's phone was taken
24:37
Speaker 1: after the shooting, they saw this text message and this
24:40
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons. This is what the prosecutor
24:43
Speaker 1: had said, sort of laying up the timeline of what happened. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about two parents, the mommy and the daddy,
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Speaker 1: go on the run when their son is charged in
24:55
Speaker 1: a horrific school shooting. You know, Alexis, you earlier said
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Speaker 1: that four are dead. Now what did you mean by that? Now,
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Speaker 1: So three of those students basically died on the scene,
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Speaker 1: one died in the hospital afterwards. That there are still
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Speaker 1: about six children that are in the hospital, and nobody
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Speaker 1: will really release all the details, but I believe some
25:18
Speaker 1: of them were in critical conditions, so there could be
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Speaker 1: more charges if anyone else dies. But they're also when
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Speaker 1: they everything said and done, attempted murder charges for all
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Speaker 1: of these kids and the one teacher. So we hear
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Speaker 1: about mom texting the day before when he's caught scrolling
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Speaker 1: for AMMO and she says, just don't get caught next time.
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Speaker 1: L Well, those aren't the only text we're learning about
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Speaker 1: from mom, and maybe this is one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: all they saw of her were elbows and tailhole on
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Speaker 1: the run running the other way. Take a listen out
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Speaker 1: twenty one, when the news of the active shooter at
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Speaker 1: Oxford High School had been made public, Jennifer Crumby texted
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Speaker 1: to her son at eleven twenty two, I'm sorry. At
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Speaker 1: one twenty two pm, quote ethan, don't do it. End quote.
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Speaker 1: At one thirty seven pm, James Crumbley called nine one,
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Speaker 1: reporting that a gun was missing from his house and
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Speaker 1: he believed his son may be the shooter. Further investigation
26:21
Speaker 1: revealed that the six hour nine millimeter handgun purchased by
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Speaker 1: James Crumbly was stored unlocked in a drawer in James
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Speaker 1: and Jennifer's bedroom. The gun recovered from the shooter at
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Speaker 1: the school after the shooting was the same gun that
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Speaker 1: was purchased by his father James Crumbly. Take a listener
26:41
Speaker 1: why charges are being brought against Crumley's parents. Here's cut
26:46
Speaker 1: twenty two. This is the prosecutor. The facts of this
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Speaker 1: case are so egregious reading this document, looking at it,
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Speaker 1: reading the words helped me with a gun, blood everywhere.
26:59
Speaker 1: This doesn't just have impact me as a prosecutor and
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Speaker 1: a lawyer. It impacts me as a mother. The notion
27:06
Speaker 1: that a parent could read those words and also know
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Speaker 1: that their son had access to a deadly weapon that
27:14
Speaker 1: they gave him is unconscionable and I think it's criminal.
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Speaker 1: It is criminal. Explain to me Alexa's terrestrict what the
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Speaker 1: charges are against the parents. There are four counts of
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Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter. That is because four people have died from this,
27:32
Speaker 1: so they are involuntary manslaughter. Is where it wasn't directly
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Speaker 1: their faults. They didn't pull the trigger, but they are
27:37
Speaker 1: responsible for the death of these four people. Guys, take
27:40
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut six. It puts you in
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Speaker 1: the location at the time of the shootings. This is
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Speaker 1: Mary McDonald WDIV Local four. The accused shooter's behavior had
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Speaker 1: raised red flags before yesterday. We have since learned the
27:54
Speaker 1: schools did have contact with the student the day before
27:58
Speaker 1: and the day of the shooting. Yesterday before the shooting,
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Speaker 1: that fifteen year old's parents were brought to school for
28:04
Speaker 1: a face to face meeting with school administrators over his
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Speaker 1: classroom behavior. Just under three hours later, school cameras recorded
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Speaker 1: him and what's depicted on a video. Honestly, Judge, I
28:16
Speaker 1: don't have the words to describe how horrific that was.
28:19
Speaker 1: The accused shooter seen coming out of a bathroom and firing,
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Speaker 1: aiming for students heads with a gun his father bought
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Speaker 1: last Friday, aiming for students heads, obviously going into the
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Speaker 1: bathroom to get the gun locked and loaded. It was
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Speaker 1: a sig sour nine SPA twenty twenty. You don't play
28:38
Speaker 1: with that a nine millimeter. I want to go to
28:43
Speaker 1: Bobby each kind of explain what a nine sig so
28:45
Speaker 1: hour is. Oh, if the sending our monic pistol, which
28:47
Speaker 1: means that you know you can fire it fairly rapidly.
28:51
Speaker 1: It probably held anywhere between ten and fifteen bullets in
28:55
Speaker 1: each magazine. He had extra magazine with him, which means
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Speaker 1: he was planning on killing probably a lot more people
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Speaker 1: than this. And so this is a This is a
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Speaker 1: gun that's commonly used in by both criminals and law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: It is a very effective weapon, especially especially at close
29:13
Speaker 1: range like he was shooting Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
29:29
Speaker 1: So this kid has a six sour semi nine millimeter
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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen bullets per mag with extra mags. Now,
29:40
Speaker 1: what about the parents take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: twenty six seven Action News to night. US Marshos posted
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Speaker 1: a ten thousand dollar reward in the case. James and
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Crumbley are wanted on charges of involuntary manslaughter in
29:54
Speaker 1: the mass shooting that put their fifteen year old son
29:58
Speaker 1: behind bars. The search goes on as thousands gathered in
30:02
Speaker 1: Oxford tonight to mourn the tragic loss of life at
30:06
Speaker 1: the high school on Tuesday. And now we learned the
30:11
Speaker 1: US Marshals get in on it. That means they're on
30:15
Speaker 1: the run. On the run, that's what the US Marshals do.
30:19
Speaker 1: They are government bounty hunters. When you get the US
30:23
Speaker 1: Marshals on your tail, you're in trouble. Tell me about
30:27
Speaker 1: them going on the rhinallexis rest shut. So the shooting
30:29
Speaker 1: took place on Tuesday, Thursday afternoon. The police were still
30:35
Speaker 1: observing them. They had kept an eye on the family
30:37
Speaker 1: the whole time. They the mom and dad had actually
30:39
Speaker 1: moved into a hotel because you know, there are probably
30:43
Speaker 1: so many people at their home, so they were in
30:44
Speaker 1: a hotel. Everybody kept an eye on them. Friday morning,
30:47
Speaker 1: nothing had been announced, there had been no charges announced.
30:49
Speaker 1: The police stopped their surveillance of the couple. Shortly thereafter,
30:54
Speaker 1: the prosecutor announced the charges, and there they prosecutor I
30:57
Speaker 1: believe had spoken to the police officer and they were
31:00
Speaker 1: even I'm sorry, spoken to the defense attorney. They were
31:02
Speaker 1: given a four o'clock deadline to turn themselves in. Four
31:06
Speaker 1: o'clock came and went. They did not turn themselves in,
31:09
Speaker 1: and in fact, the sheriff then said, at this point
31:12
Speaker 1: there was no contact with them at all. The sheriff
31:15
Speaker 1: said he went on television to a news channel and said,
31:18
Speaker 1: we have not heard from them. They have turned off
31:20
Speaker 1: their cell phones and their attorneys have not been able
31:23
Speaker 1: to reach them, which meant that there was no communication.
31:26
Speaker 1: So that's when they put out I guess they're calling
31:30
Speaker 1: it a bolow beyond the lookout. The US Marshals offered
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Speaker 1: the ten thousand dollars reward Friday night, they are still
31:36
Speaker 1: missing Royce Layton. It's just like Gillane Maxwell, who goes
31:40
Speaker 1: on the run nobody can find or she's posting false
31:44
Speaker 1: leads like at an in and out Burger in LA
31:46
Speaker 1: when she's really hiding out in Hampshire. These parents, they're
31:50
Speaker 1: not going to have a chance now for any kind
31:52
Speaker 1: of bod when they're arrested, because they've already gone on
31:55
Speaker 1: the run. And what does that say about a parent
31:58
Speaker 1: willing to run for the Canadian border when their son
32:01
Speaker 1: needs them more than he's ever needed them in his
32:04
Speaker 1: whole life. Take a listen to Megan Fitzgeryl NBC this morning.
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Speaker 1: James and Jennifer Crumbly are in custody after an hour's
32:11
Speaker 1: long manhunt led to their arrest. Overnight. Vehicle is at black.
32:15
Speaker 1: Here's the probable vehicle of the two Paris of the
32:21
Speaker 1: Heart situation. The couple found hiding in a commercial building
32:25
Speaker 1: after police received a ten certainly appeared to be distressed.
32:29
Speaker 1: Authorities say the parents of accused Michigan school shooter Ethan
32:32
Speaker 1: Crumbly failed to show up for their arrangement Friday. They
32:36
Speaker 1: were finally captured hours later and he's charged with involuntary manslaughter.
32:40
Speaker 1: So Troyce Layton, I doubt very seriously they're going to
32:42
Speaker 1: get any kind of a reasonable bond after they've already
32:47
Speaker 1: gone on the run, caught about a half a mile
32:49
Speaker 1: from the Canadian border. Well, risk of flight is certainly
32:52
Speaker 1: a consideration for the judge and deciding whether or not
32:55
Speaker 1: to issue a bond, and also when it comes time
32:59
Speaker 1: to their eventual trial. Any good prosecutor, I know, if
33:03
Speaker 1: you were prosecuting the case, you would argue consciousness of
33:06
Speaker 1: guilt as evidenced by their running at the time that
33:10
Speaker 1: they knew that there were charges against them. You know,
33:13
Speaker 1: a gun control experts say they move to charge the
33:17
Speaker 1: parents is almost unheard of. What do you make of
33:21
Speaker 1: the charges, Troy Sletton, Well, Michigan doesn't have the child
33:27
Speaker 1: access prevention laws, So if they didn't do anything illegal,
33:32
Speaker 1: then the government will have to show prosecutors at their
33:35
Speaker 1: trial will have to prove that they acted so recklessly,
33:39
Speaker 1: so beyond the pale that any other normal, average, reasonable
33:43
Speaker 1: person would do, that a person would know that acting
33:47
Speaker 1: so recklessly would lead to someone's death. Would you agree
33:51
Speaker 1: that it's very rare for parents to be charged. This
33:54
Speaker 1: is very rare, and you were saying that in Michigan
33:57
Speaker 1: there is no what kind of statue did you say,
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Speaker 1: child access prevention laws with regard to firearms, no rule
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Speaker 1: that they have to keep guns locked up, ammunition separate
34:08
Speaker 1: away when there's a child in the house, For example,
34:11
Speaker 1: in California where I live. In New York, in many
34:13
Speaker 1: other states, it's illegal if you have a child in
34:17
Speaker 1: the house or a child come visit. Surey certainly are
34:21
Speaker 1: not suggesting that because there's not a black and white
34:26
Speaker 1: statute that they still did not know that the other
34:31
Speaker 1: students were in danger after reading that note and knowing
34:35
Speaker 1: he had access to a brand new sig so hour
34:37
Speaker 1: by that same argument, Nancy, the school officials should know.
34:42
Speaker 1: Are we also going to charge they we had a gun,
34:45
Speaker 1: but they knew that there was something that was so
34:48
Speaker 1: alarming that he was searching ammunition that they thought to
34:53
Speaker 1: take him out of class temporarily and then put him
34:55
Speaker 1: back in the class. You're artfully avoiding my question. I
34:58
Speaker 1: didn't ask you about them, ask you about the parents,
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Speaker 1: and by your avoiding the topic, I assume that you
35:04
Speaker 1: agree with me. You know, the district superintendent informed the
35:08
Speaker 1: parents and staff members Saturday that the parents never told
35:12
Speaker 1: a school he had access to a gun. What do
35:16
Speaker 1: you make of that, Troy, I don't know how the
35:19
Speaker 1: gun was stored inside the house. There were some there
35:23
Speaker 1: are some reports that the gun was locked. Maybe the
35:27
Speaker 1: kid found a key and got access to it. We
35:31
Speaker 1: don't know yet what measures the parents took to secure
35:35
Speaker 1: the firearm. We don't know whether they handed it to
35:38
Speaker 1: the kid on a silver platter, or whether somehow the
35:41
Speaker 1: kid went around some sort of system in places. We
35:50
Speaker 1: do know that within minutes of the shooting, the father
35:53
Speaker 1: called nine one one and said he thinks his son
35:56
Speaker 1: might have a gun. I mean the father made that act.
35:58
Speaker 1: Got an act that the father did that shows that
36:01
Speaker 1: he knew it was very likely that his son had
36:04
Speaker 1: that weapon. He made a nine one one call for
36:06
Speaker 1: that effect. Alexis Tresha. Where were the parents found exactly?
36:10
Speaker 1: They were found in a commercial building was actually an
36:14
Speaker 1: an art gallery is where they were found, But they
36:16
Speaker 1: were hiding in a locked room inside the gallery. Hiding
36:19
Speaker 1: in a locked room inside a gallery. Now I understand
36:22
Speaker 1: the owner of the gallery claims he didn't know anything
36:25
Speaker 1: about this. He did, you know, well, he's the artist.
36:28
Speaker 1: I believe someone else owns the whole building. He's an artist.
36:31
Speaker 1: He said that when they called him, they said, we
36:34
Speaker 1: are getting death threats. Can we come there? And he
36:36
Speaker 1: said yes. He says this was before any charges were
36:40
Speaker 1: filed against him. They were there, he left. He said
36:43
Speaker 1: he expected them to leave. He didn't know anything about
36:46
Speaker 1: the charges that were filed. Do you believe that there
36:49
Speaker 1: will be charges against the artist who was harboring them?
36:54
Speaker 1: What do you know about that? Alexis? The prosecutor has
36:57
Speaker 1: not said whether or not that they will, if they
37:00
Speaker 1: will prosecute him or not. They probably they will need
37:03
Speaker 1: to look. And you know, see why he didn't know
37:05
Speaker 1: because it was such a big news story, But a
37:07
Speaker 1: lot of people don't watch the news. Maybe he was
37:09
Speaker 1: doing as soon as he left. He was doing something
37:11
Speaker 1: all day and didn't know. And they have said that
37:14
Speaker 1: their cell phones were turned off, so there was likely
37:17
Speaker 1: no way that he could have reached them after he
37:19
Speaker 1: heard if he heard, We wait as justice unfolds Nancy
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Speaker 1: Gray's Crumb story, signing off goodbye friend,