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Credlin | 3 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Brandland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show, Steve Price with your Peter will be
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Speaker 1: back with you next week. Here's what's coming up tonight
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Speaker 1: though on Credlin all the latest out of the Middle East,
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Speaker 1: with retaliation from Iran hitting various Gulf states as Hesbala
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Speaker 1: continues to lob shells into Israel. Will take you to
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Speaker 1: Israel tonight and talk with the NAUSI expat and find
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Speaker 1: out what that's like. We also hear from US Secretary
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Speaker 1: of State Marco Rubio and Secretary for War Pete Hesketh
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Speaker 1: and pose the question where are our own tough, strong
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Speaker 1: political leaders like that pair?
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Speaker 2: Talking politics?
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Speaker 1: Andrew Knell will join me first up on today's Question
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Speaker 1: Time and the decision by Angus Taylor and senior Liberals
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Speaker 1: to bury a critical post election review, with one reason
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Speaker 1: being the criticism of Peter Dutton's lack of appeal to
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Speaker 1: to women apparently, Plus what security experts like David Craig
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Speaker 1: make of some mosques around Australia holding memorial services for
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Speaker 1: the slain Iranian leader and what this says about these
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Speaker 1: places of worship and what happens inside. But first tonight,
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Speaker 1: first up, watching the unfolding joint military action of the
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Speaker 1: United States and Israel as they work toward utering Iran's
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Speaker 1: military capability with a sustained air war. You can't help
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Speaker 1: but look at the political leadership of especially the United States,
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Speaker 1: but also Israel, and ask yourself one simple question, who
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Speaker 1: are the Australian equivalents of Secretary of State Marco Rubio,
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Speaker 1: their War Secretary Pete Hesketh, and of course Donald Trump himself.
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Speaker 1: Now I mentioned yesterday our basic national preparedness to defend
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Speaker 1: ourselves is a disgrace, and to be self sufficient in
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Speaker 1: the basics like fuel, for God's sake. On both counts
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Speaker 1: we are failing dreadfully. But there appears zero leadership on
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Speaker 1: even that basic issue of establishing the refining of crude
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Speaker 1: oil into diesel and petrol in Australia. Now, by contrast,
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Speaker 1: the Americans under Trump made self reliance a priority during
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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign with his famous drill Baby drill mantra.
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Speaker 1: Here we have endless arguments about even lifting a useless
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Speaker 1: nuclear energy ban. I mean, listen to fools like the
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Speaker 1: Greens saying we should ban all coal and gas mining
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Speaker 1: export all the uranium we dig out of the ground
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Speaker 1: to other countries and flog off our gas reserves at
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Speaker 1: ridiculously cheap prices. We're a nation blessed with energy assets,
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Speaker 1: but we tie ourselves in knots listening to activists advocating
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Speaker 1: the renewable energy fantasy instead of using what we have
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Speaker 1: in abundance and add to that the sun and wind,
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Speaker 1: but not phase everything else out. Now, our lack of
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Speaker 1: political leadership is perhaps, I think one of the biggest
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Speaker 1: crises we have that we face in this country on
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Speaker 1: both sides of the political leader. I'm not just talking
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Speaker 1: about labor here. I mean, let's compare that with what
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Speaker 1: we saw out of America today, especially from the Secretary
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Speaker 1: of State Marco Rubio. He held a fifteen minute or
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Speaker 1: so stand up media conference in Washington, handling semi aggressive
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Speaker 1: questions firmly, sensibly, instilling in anybody watching, including me, a
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Speaker 1: real sense of Wow, how would we be if we
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Speaker 1: had this bloke in charge? Here here was his response
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Speaker 1: to questions about why the attack on Iran had to happen.
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Speaker 3: Now, we knew that there was going to be an
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Speaker 3: Israeli action, We knew that that would precipitate an attack
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Speaker 3: against American forces, and we knew that if we didn't
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Speaker 3: preemptively go after them before they a launched those attacks,
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Speaker 3: we would suffer higher casualties and perhaps even hire those killed,
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Speaker 3: And then we would all be here answering questions about
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Speaker 3: why we knew that and didn't act.
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Speaker 1: Now, clearly there was planned action by Israel, and so
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Speaker 1: a joint force was established. He was then Rubio was
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Speaker 1: then asked about what was coming next.
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Speaker 3: Again, I'm not going to give away the details of
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Speaker 3: our tactical efforts, but the hardest hits are yet to
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Speaker 3: come from the US military. The next phase will be
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Speaker 3: even more punishing on Iran than it is right now.
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Speaker 3: Someone was spiaming how long will it take? I don't
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Speaker 3: know how long it'll take. We have objectives. We will
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Speaker 3: do this as long as it takes to achieve those objectives,
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Speaker 3: and we will achieve those objectives. The world will be
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Speaker 3: a safer place when we're done with this operation.
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Speaker 1: The world will be a safer place. What an outstanding
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Speaker 1: performance by Rubio. He was interrupted a couple of times
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Speaker 1: by the assembled media, and he said, hang on, wait,
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Speaker 1: let me finish my answer. Well, the Secretary of war.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine Australia creating such a department as opposed
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Speaker 1: to what we have the Defense Department. Well, the Secretary
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Speaker 1: of Water War, Peter Hesketh, Pete Hesketh was next, not
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Speaker 1: giving away any tactics it might be used, but may
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Speaker 1: get very clear that Iran needed to be hit, its
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Speaker 1: missile capability destroyed, and its nuclear and visions crushed.
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Speaker 4: We didn't start this war, but under President Trump, we
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Speaker 4: are finishing it. Their war on Americans has become our
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Speaker 4: retribution against their Ayatola and his death cult. It took
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Speaker 4: the forty seventh president, a fighter who always puts America first,
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Speaker 4: to finally draw the line after forty seven years of
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Speaker 4: Iranian belligerents. He reminded the world, as he has time
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Speaker 4: and time again, being an American means something unbreakable. If
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Speaker 4: you kill Americans, if you threaten Americans anywhere on Earth,
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Speaker 4: we will hunt you down without apology and without hesitation,
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Speaker 4: and we will kill you again.
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Speaker 2: Impressive.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can add, of course, to that pair
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Speaker 1: their Boss Trump and his explanations that we are only
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of this war here and explaining why
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Speaker 1: the US had to act.
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Speaker 2: I mean right from the beginning.
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Speaker 5: We projected four to five weeks, but we have capability
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Speaker 5: to go far longer than that.
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Speaker 2: We'll do it.
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Speaker 5: Whatever somebody said today, they said, oh, well, the president
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Speaker 5: wants to do it really quickly.
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Speaker 2: After that, he'll get bored. I don't get bored.
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Speaker 5: There's nothing boring about this.
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Speaker 1: A little bit more laid back. And you might not
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Speaker 1: like the personal style of any of that three. And
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Speaker 1: we know that Donald Trump derangement syndrome is alive and
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Speaker 1: well in our very own country. But tell me of
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Speaker 1: one political leader, just one in our country that can
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Speaker 1: hold a candle to that trio.
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Speaker 2: You can't.
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Speaker 1: Git a camber in a moment, but before I do.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of weak political leadership, you can't go past
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Speaker 1: Victoria's Premier, Jacinta Allen and her treasurer at Jacqueline Simes.
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Speaker 1: Sniffing that this pair are on the nose, they know it.
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Speaker 1: Leading up to a November state election. They were out
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Speaker 1: there today announcing the most blatantly political desperation policy ever
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Speaker 1: seen in this state center. Allen, the premier who's only
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Speaker 1: job outside politics was a grocery bagger at Cole's, to
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Speaker 1: go with their arts degree and Jackie Simes, law degree
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Speaker 1: in hand and a career as a political staffer, are
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Speaker 1: about to introduce to Parliament laws around work from home.
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Speaker 1: Here was the premier.
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Speaker 3: If you can do your job from home, we are
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Speaker 3: going to protect your right to do so, no matter
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Speaker 3: the size.
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Speaker 6: Of the workplace.
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Speaker 2: Here was Simes.
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Speaker 6: This is already happening because it's good for business, it's
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Speaker 6: good for the economy. But there are a lot of
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Speaker 6: people that are missing out and that's not fair. That's
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Speaker 6: why we're making it law. It's why we're going to
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Speaker 6: make it all right. It's why it's going to apply
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Speaker 6: across the board.
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Speaker 1: What a pair of fools. This will decimate small business
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Speaker 1: in Victoria. It will force an almighty industrial blow up, involving,
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Speaker 1: among others, teachers and police who are now likely to
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Speaker 1: demand wage rises to compensate for the fact, well, they
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Speaker 1: can't work from home, so they should be paid more
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Speaker 1: to attend the workplace. That's what their unions are already saying.
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Speaker 1: You can add to that nurses and to that list.
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Speaker 1: And god knows what will happen with the CFMEU working
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Speaker 1: on those corrupt big bill projects. What do you think
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Speaker 1: they're going to want for not being able to work
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Speaker 1: from home. This is going to turn into a free
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Speaker 1: for all. And why well, Jasinda Allen thinks it's her
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Speaker 1: best chance to get re elected in November, as hundreds
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Speaker 1: of thousands of public servants voter in for letting them
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Speaker 1: stay home two days a week minimum, not by negotiation
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Speaker 1: with their boss or their superior, but as a right,
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Speaker 1: a legal right. How does the premier justify this? Well,
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Speaker 1: listen to this quote. Quote working from home works for
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Speaker 1: families because it saves time and money and gets more
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Speaker 1: parents working.
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Speaker 2: End of quote. Then this working from home for a
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Speaker 2: small business, you.
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Speaker 1: Deserve the same rights as someone working for a big bank.
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Speaker 1: Now this madness will mean that an employer paying the wages,
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Speaker 1: investing their own money, renting a property, paying bass, paying
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Speaker 1: payroll tax and super When that employer hires someone and says,
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Speaker 1: by the way, this is a job where I expect
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Speaker 1: you in the office five days a week, that person,
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Speaker 1: by law, applying for that job will then be able
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Speaker 1: to say, the law says, you can't make me do that,
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Speaker 1: And I'll be working from home two days a week,
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Speaker 1: and the two days I choose, I'm going to make
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Speaker 1: it Friday and Monday, when you say no, well you're
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Speaker 1: off to the Fair Work Commission. I mean what makes
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Speaker 1: this announcement today even more cynical and a political disgrace
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Speaker 1: is that Victoria eight months out from a state election
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Speaker 1: and employment law experts have already said these laws will
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Speaker 1: not survive a High Court challenge. What does that mean? Well,
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Speaker 1: the laws pass in Parliament in time for the poll
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Speaker 1: in November. Senor Allen campaigns on work from home changes,
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Speaker 1: as she said today, the opposition is wedged to say
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Speaker 1: they don't agree. Nothing gets before the High Court in
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Speaker 1: months and months. She wins the election and concedes after
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Speaker 1: the victory, oh well, perhaps these new laws are unworkable
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Speaker 1: and drops them, just like Dan Andrews's campaign to have
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Speaker 1: the Commonwealth Games held right across Victoria. Once he got
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Speaker 1: re elected, getting those country seats and votes, he dumped it.
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Speaker 2: Cynical me, of course.
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Speaker 1: Not, It's said to Cameron now for tonight's political headlines,
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Speaker 1: which got one his political reporter, Cam.
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Speaker 7: Red Good evening for the second question time in a row.
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Speaker 7: The Coalition has sought to pressure the government over the
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Speaker 7: cohort of so called isis brides.
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Speaker 8: His obsession with.
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Speaker 9: Left this issue ten the minutes to confirm that none
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Speaker 9: of his staff or departmental officials made representations to any
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Speaker 9: relevant departments.
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Speaker 10: The cohort concerned have asked to be repatriated, they were
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Speaker 10: told no. They tried to take us to court the
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Speaker 10: force of repatriation. We thought that case and we won.
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Speaker 10: Then they are again for repatriation and we said no.
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Speaker 7: Police in New South Wales have confirmed to Sky News
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Speaker 7: they are aware of some mosques holding events to mourn
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Speaker 7: the death of Iran Supreme Leader.
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Speaker 11: But no amount of mental preparation could have made us
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Speaker 11: ready for the pain in our hearts, for the father
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Speaker 11: we have lost, for the leader that is no longer
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Speaker 11: I'm speaking about at Lah Shahid see that Ali La Khamini.
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Speaker 7: New South Wales Police tells Sky News ceremonies like this
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Speaker 7: are not unexpected and they'll continue to assess information that
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Speaker 7: alleges breaches of the law.
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Speaker 12: These are incredibly disturbing reports.
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Speaker 6: The fact that there is anyone in our country right
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Speaker 6: right now mourning the loss of the leader of that
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Speaker 6: regime is categorically wrong.
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Speaker 8: Camaron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's stay in Cameron now joining me.
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Speaker 1: Sky's political leader Andrew Clanelli has been so busy this afternoon,
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Speaker 1: including catching up very impressively with the Foreign Minister Penny Wong.
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Speaker 1: That was a good get to get her out of
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Speaker 1: the Senate. What did you make of her responses to
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Speaker 1: your questions about the Isis brides, the passport things still
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Speaker 1: hanging around their neck, isn't it? They got a few
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Speaker 1: issues because they've got the Isis bride's issue, and it
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Speaker 1: does look like the government's helped in some way here.
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Speaker 8: I mean Jamal Riefi set.
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Speaker 1: Up a group called Friends of Tony Burke, Tony Burke
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Speaker 1: saying well, we said they can't come back, but he
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Speaker 1: went and got passports Jamal Riffi.
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Speaker 8: So I don't know what to make of it, to
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Speaker 8: be honest.
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Speaker 1: But the other issue is this mosque issue that's emerged today.
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Speaker 1: They've been having these memorial services for the Iitola at
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Speaker 1: mosque's Islamic centers, which are funded by the federal government,
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Speaker 1: and the opposition raised this in question time. This is
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Speaker 1: a no brainer politically, isn't it.
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Speaker 8: Steve. You just say, well, we're.
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Speaker 1: Pulling the funding, you know, you know, we've said the
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Speaker 1: Iranian Revolutionary Guards a terrorist group and you're mourning this plug.
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Speaker 8: Sorry, that's okay.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to shut you down or anything, but
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Speaker 1: you can't have any more federal government taxpayer funding. Well,
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Speaker 1: my immediate reaction to that when I was watching question
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Speaker 1: time and saw that Bob up was why are we
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Speaker 1: spending six hundred it's nearly seven hundred thousand dollars on
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Speaker 1: a place out in the seat of Bruce in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: I mean, was it something to do with the election campaign?
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Speaker 1: Was that a vote winner in that region? Was Is
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Speaker 1: there a program around building renovating these joints and so
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Speaker 1: everyone puts in an application gets money. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: the only answer I can come up with. And you're
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Speaker 1: quite right, just cancel the grant. Yeah, it's not a
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Speaker 1: footy club, is it. And even those are pretty questionable
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Speaker 1: at times. So, and this is the other thing, Steve.
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Speaker 1: They always say, oh, we can't cut spending. We're already
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Speaker 1: cutting spending. There's plenty of things they can cut, and
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Speaker 1: that's to be at the top of the list. But
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Speaker 1: do you think they'll actually I mean, the member that
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Speaker 1: was asked the question, Nle she said, oh, well I
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Speaker 1: know about this, and we're investigating and I'll have more
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Speaker 1: to say about it soon. It seemed to me that
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Speaker 1: she probably found out about it this morning and has
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Speaker 1: decided to do an investigation once she realized that it
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Speaker 1: was a political time bomb, and she said, how is
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Speaker 1: she now going to get around canceling the money? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's right, if it's already gone out, it's gone, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: So I think what you do is you say they'll
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Speaker 1: be getting no more grants and that'll be the announcement.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be amazed if they don't announce something
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Speaker 1: in relation to this. So I know New South Wales government,
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Speaker 1: Chris Min's, the New South Wales Premier, is outraged at
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Speaker 1: these ceremonies going on.
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Speaker 8: It's just a terrible look.
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Speaker 1: Interestingly, I haven't heard the same level of outrage from
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Speaker 1: the Victorian state government. I haven't heard a word from
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Speaker 1: the premiere here. Unless I've missed it, I don't think
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Speaker 1: the Victorian government said anything Chris Mins. Chris Mins was
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Speaker 1: told by a colleague that his stance post BONDI could
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Speaker 1: hurt him electorally with the Muslim vote. And my understanding
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Speaker 1: is Chris Mins told his colleague, I don't care. It's
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Speaker 1: about doing the right thing. Frankly, this is why a
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Speaker 1: lot of Liberal supporters like Chris Mins as well as
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Speaker 1: his labors, we always concentrate on Sydney and southwestern Sydney
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Speaker 1: for very good reasons because of the level of Muslim
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Speaker 1: population in that region. But people seem to forget that
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Speaker 1: the western and southeastern suburbs of Melbourne around places like
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Speaker 1: Dandonong have just as high a level of Muslim population
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Speaker 1: as what Sydney does. And the you know, the Allen
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Speaker 1: Government's got election Andrew in November. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: think they're going to be standing up saying to those
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Speaker 1: populations in those seats were suddenly going to stop paying
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Speaker 1: grants to you? Yeah, then you can these other voters,
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Speaker 1: can't you. So it's a bit of a toss up
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Speaker 1: that one. But I think it's going to be such
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Speaker 1: an interesting election in Victoria. In fact, all the elections
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Speaker 1: this year South Australia, Victoria because of this rise of
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Speaker 1: one nation and we're getting a more and more polarized
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Speaker 1: electorate and the social cohesion thing is worrying. It's very concerning.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say this is the most illa days
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Speaker 1: off felt. I agree with you you and I've agreed
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Speaker 1: on that before. I think that's the case. You've got
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Speaker 1: a copy of you of this Liberal Party election review
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Speaker 1: that The Nightly broke this story last night. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: know you won't answered. I know you were one of
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Speaker 1: this question. But who's leaking it? Well, I've got it
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Speaker 1: from a liberal so I know the government's got a name.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty it's been well, it's being widely disseminated. And
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Speaker 1: the point about this is, once you don't release it,
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Speaker 1: someone's going to release it.
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Speaker 8: So you're better off releasing.
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Speaker 1: It and just copying it because they're copying it anyway,
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Speaker 1: except they're copying it with the government able to taunt
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Speaker 1: them and say you were trying to hide this. So
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Speaker 1: I think that was a bit of a misstep by
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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor, to be honest, he's not even named in it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jane Hume cops it, Peter Dutton certainly cops it,
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Speaker 1: and Peter dun't nothink legal action wasn't he. But sometimes
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Speaker 1: you just have to you just have to, you know,
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Speaker 1: release it. What's it say about the discipline surrounding Angus
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Speaker 1: Taylor that suddenly when he says we're not going to
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Speaker 1: release it, everybody in the world except for me.
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Speaker 8: He's got a copy of it. Well, I could send
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Speaker 8: you a copy. No look.
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Speaker 2: Bad thing to read. To be honest, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a I think that's a bit harsh.
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Speaker 1: It's just one of those things. As soon as you
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Speaker 1: say to journey as you can't have something, you just
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Speaker 1: ring every single person in you know to get it,
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Speaker 1: don't you want it generally happens. I really want to
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Speaker 1: talk to you though about the Peter Dutton stuff. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's come out swinging today labeled the report quote gratuitous
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Speaker 1: and a personal hit job. What about the reference in
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Speaker 1: there that he was unpopular with women and it came
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Speaker 1: down to the fact that no one liked his appearance
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Speaker 1: and even used Is this in the report that he
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Speaker 1: was described as Voldemort or was that someone just referring
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Speaker 1: to what happened during the election campign. I didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: I'd have to do a control left on that one.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it said that women didn't like him, women
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Speaker 1: candidates didn't want him in their electorate. I think it
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Speaker 1: did comment on his appearance, but I could be mistaken.
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Speaker 1: I've certainly read that in the print article. But it's
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Speaker 1: broader than that, to be fair to the authors. And
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Speaker 1: I know there's a bit of a belief in there,
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Speaker 1: but that Pru Goward somehow lined with Alex Hawk and
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Speaker 1: through that maybe Susan Lee and then she was too critical.
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Speaker 1: But Nick Minchin was involved as well.
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Speaker 8: From the right.
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Speaker 1: It talks about the nuclear policy, the hiding the costings
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Speaker 1: just didn't work. It talks about work from home that
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Speaker 1: was a disaster, the Chinese spies comment, the tax cuts,
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Speaker 1: and it talks about just enter price saying make Austray
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Speaker 1: great again. And the fact that Dutton couldn't differentiate himself
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Speaker 1: from Trump. None of this is a particular surprise, is it.
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Speaker 1: None of this is a surprise, And I'm afraid for
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton. Maybe there's a line in there that's completely unjustified.
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to accept that from him, but he has
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Speaker 1: to accept ultimate responsibility. I'm sure he would, so, you know,
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Speaker 1: just accept it and get on with your life. It
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Speaker 1: turns out they went even worse under Susan Lee. At
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Speaker 1: least Dutton kept the Liberals and Nationals together for example.
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Speaker 1: So it's really it was a catalog of mistakes in
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Speaker 1: the three months leading up to that election and the
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Speaker 1: polling company they had Freshwater didn't help at all because
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Speaker 1: they gave Dutton the belief and confidence that he was
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Speaker 1: going to win. And if you're over confident as an opposition,
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Speaker 1: as Bill Shorten saw, that can be one of the
20:06
Speaker 1: worst traits to have.
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Speaker 2: Steve, Yeah, Andrew, I reckon.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right and they should have just ripped the
20:11
Speaker 1: bandaid off and released the report.
20:13
Speaker 2: Hiding it or refusing to release it. As you said,
20:16
Speaker 2: it was always going to get out. Good work, mate,
20:18
Speaker 2: Thank you, talk to you soon.
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Speaker 8: Thanks Steve.
20:23
Speaker 1: Now, while the majority of Australians have rightly welcomed the
20:26
Speaker 1: death of aotolerant, as we were discussing there with Andrew,
20:30
Speaker 1: several sheer mosques around the country and this includes Sydney
20:33
Speaker 1: also in Melbourne, are observing a three day morning period.
20:36
Speaker 1: We've now had confirmation for the New South Wales Police
20:39
Speaker 1: that they are at least looking into this. And you
20:41
Speaker 1: heard there what Andrew said about Chris Men's the premiere.
20:44
Speaker 1: These ceremonies, the police say, are not unexpected. New South
20:47
Speaker 1: Wales Police will continue to assess any reported information that
20:51
Speaker 1: alleges breaches of the law and investigate appropriately. That's very
20:55
Speaker 1: careful language. But our report to cam Redden in camera
20:58
Speaker 1: earlier showed what was a live stream from the ald
21:02
Speaker 1: Zahara Mosque in Sydney on Sunday after Ayatola's death.
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Speaker 11: Have a look, but no amount of mental preparation could
21:12
Speaker 11: have made us ready for the pain in our hearts,
21:16
Speaker 11: for the father we have lost, for the leader that
21:20
Speaker 11: is no longer for the guide, for the mentor for
21:24
Speaker 11: the inspiration that we have lost to pages of history.
21:32
Speaker 11: I'm speaking about at lah A Shahid say Ali a
21:37
Speaker 11: la khamen Ai. He was the embodiment of everything we
21:45
Speaker 11: wanted in a leader in the absence of our Emmam.
21:49
Speaker 1: The embodiment of everything we wanted a leader. Could someone
21:53
Speaker 1: remind that shake that he's talking about a terrorist leader
21:57
Speaker 1: who ran a despotic regime. Joining me now discuss this
22:00
Speaker 1: Former AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig, Can you believe that
22:05
Speaker 1: stuff was being live streamed out to the public.
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Speaker 13: It's very distasteful at the most polite, Steve, I mean
22:15
Speaker 13: people also agrieved when some people did when Adolf.
22:18
Speaker 8: Hitler died, and look, this is tantamount to that. I mean,
22:20
Speaker 8: this coward has been taken out.
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Speaker 13: He went out as a martyr.
22:23
Speaker 8: They should be happy that he died.
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Speaker 2: And that was as bad, really, wasn't it.
22:29
Speaker 1: As those celebrations that we saw and we've seen them
22:32
Speaker 1: replayed on Sky over and over again of the celebrations
22:35
Speaker 1: after the October seven attack by Hamas on Israel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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Speaker 13: I mean what these people don't realize, that these radical
22:44
Speaker 13: Islamics don't realize, is how wrong they are, that they
22:48
Speaker 13: are in the wrong environment, that they think wrongly, and
22:51
Speaker 13: it's this simply incompatible with the Australian way of life.
22:56
Speaker 13: These four mosques that are announcing this three day morning
23:00
Speaker 13: and any others that do what they're doing is a
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Speaker 13: fantastic intelligence collection opportunity for AZO and for the AFP,
23:08
Speaker 13: because if anyone attends such a morning, they need to
23:12
Speaker 13: be shortlisted for a terror watch list, because if they
23:16
Speaker 13: go anywhere past morning towards glorification or support or advocation
23:24
Speaker 13: of the IRGC, then they may well find themselves getting
23:26
Speaker 13: a knock at the door from the police.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you that. I mean
23:31
Speaker 2: the police got any room to move here.
23:33
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard is a listed
23:36
Speaker 1: state sponsor of terrorism in our very own country and
23:40
Speaker 1: so holding a commemoration for their leader like that shape
23:44
Speaker 1: they'd just talked about. I'm no lawyer, but could that
23:47
Speaker 1: constitute a breach of the Lord?
23:49
Speaker 2: Do you think.
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Speaker 13: It's it could do, Steve.
23:54
Speaker 14: The police used to just be a matter of rhetorick,
23:56
Speaker 14: but the police now actually have power to go ahead
23:58
Speaker 14: now since Albanese government has done one good thing at
24:02
Speaker 14: least declaring the IGC as a terrorsponsored organization, the police
24:09
Speaker 14: have got power.
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Speaker 13: If there's if people are just mourning and passing of
24:13
Speaker 13: a person, a religious leader, then that's fine. That is
24:18
Speaker 13: as untasteful as it is for the way he led
24:20
Speaker 13: his life and as uncomfortable as that might be, and
24:23
Speaker 13: stick in the throat of many good thinking Australians and
24:27
Speaker 13: good thinking Australian Muslims. When it crosses over to support
24:33
Speaker 13: or celebrating the violent acts of what he has done,
24:37
Speaker 13: that's when the law will come in, and that's where
24:40
Speaker 13: the radical reddic stops and law enforcement will hit the
24:43
Speaker 13: ground running. And I'm hoping that we will see people
24:47
Speaker 13: coming forward with any video footage, any sort of comment
24:52
Speaker 13: on the internet from anyone advocating for the IRGC or
24:56
Speaker 13: the Ayatola Hermione more than just mourning his death.
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Speaker 2: Get it to law enforcement.
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Speaker 13: We need the people that are saying this stuff to
25:04
Speaker 13: be locked up.
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Speaker 2: David. I've seen you with Peter a lot.
25:08
Speaker 1: I mean, I gather that this level of radicalism doesn't
25:14
Speaker 1: surprise you.
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Speaker 13: No, it saddens me to hear the New South Wales
25:20
Speaker 13: police say that these sort of mornings were unexpected, because
25:24
Speaker 13: in the Australia that I know and love, they should
25:27
Speaker 13: be unexpected. It's just you know, some white supremacist of
25:31
Speaker 13: a note died tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: I would be.
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Speaker 13: Horrified to think that if anyone wanted to mourn that
25:35
Speaker 13: person's death. But here we have it official morning being pronounced,
25:39
Speaker 13: being broadcast on the internet. And it's not good for
25:44
Speaker 13: the Muslim population in Australia that just want to get
25:47
Speaker 13: on with their bloody life and enjoy their religion and
25:51
Speaker 13: contribute to Australia. These radical Islamic thinkers are the dirt
25:55
Speaker 13: of our society and we've just got to get them
25:57
Speaker 13: out or lock them up.
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Speaker 2: Said David. Thank you.
26:00
Speaker 1: I'll speak to you shortly now, coming up after the break.
26:03
Speaker 1: So Marco Rubio's comments that we have not seen anything yet,
26:07
Speaker 1: so what could this actually look like as this war continues.
26:11
Speaker 1: Plus nobody's ruling out boots on the ground, But is
26:14
Speaker 1: there any appetite for another Middle East quogmie?
26:17
Speaker 2: We'll have that next. Welcome back, Steve Price with you.
26:23
Speaker 1: Let's return now to the information provided earlier today by
26:27
Speaker 1: the Trump administration. I played some of what Marco Rubio
26:30
Speaker 1: and Pete Hesketh had to say. Obviously, the conflict in
26:33
Speaker 1: the Middle East continues to widen. Joining me now for
26:36
Speaker 1: he's analysis on this, Former General Gus McLaughlin. Gus, it
26:40
Speaker 1: was a pleasure to see you. Marco Rubio said this
26:42
Speaker 1: morning he's not going to give anything away, which is sensible.
26:46
Speaker 1: But the next phase of this will be even more punishing.
26:50
Speaker 1: Could you describe with your experience what that might look like?
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Speaker 12: Gooda, Steve, this is a relentless machine the United States military.
27:00
Speaker 12: What we've seen initially you would describe as the preparation
27:03
Speaker 12: phase that is removing the Iranian air defence radars and missiles,
27:09
Speaker 12: trying to bring down their commander control systems so that
27:12
Speaker 12: they can't react to the subsequent attacks. All the while
27:16
Speaker 12: that that was going on. We've seen the build up
27:18
Speaker 12: of further airborne and refueling tankers and fighter aircraft from
27:22
Speaker 12: the US and so I think what will soon commence
27:25
Speaker 12: will be the main attack phase. And in that phase
27:28
Speaker 12: they'll be hunting these missile launchers, the locations that they
27:32
Speaker 12: are buried in, further damage to commander control, and probably
27:36
Speaker 12: things like logistics, fuel storage, etc. So Rubio is right,
27:41
Speaker 12: we've seen the preparation phase. We haven't really seen the
27:44
Speaker 12: might of the US Air Force unleashed yet.
27:49
Speaker 1: So the Israelis in the Americans have softened them up
27:51
Speaker 1: and obviously destroyed a lot of their assets that they
27:55
Speaker 1: could hit back with. Do we now see the introduction
27:59
Speaker 1: of things like those health bombers and bunker busting bombs
28:02
Speaker 1: to get this stuff that's hidden underground?
28:04
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?
28:05
Speaker 12: Yeah, the in fact of stealth is the sort of
28:08
Speaker 12: stuff that is necessary early on when you haven't eliminated
28:11
Speaker 12: the Iranian radars. We think the Ranians have got access
28:13
Speaker 12: to some pretty modern equipment from both Russia and China.
28:17
Speaker 12: And it's interesting for observers like me that hasn't performed
28:20
Speaker 12: that well against the stealth aircraft. Once that stuff's destroyed.
28:24
Speaker 12: The older equipment, the F fifteens, the F sixteens can
28:28
Speaker 12: really just come in as bomb trucks. They can bring
28:31
Speaker 12: in the big loads of bombs that can then target
28:34
Speaker 12: the stuff on the ground. And the timing of this
28:38
Speaker 12: is important. We're already hearing that the other Gulf states
28:41
Speaker 12: who use American defensive systems like Patriot are running out
28:45
Speaker 12: of missiles. So I think the clock is ticking on
28:48
Speaker 12: both sides of this campaign, Steve, both the offense and
28:51
Speaker 12: the defensive side.
28:54
Speaker 1: Gus, can you just fight this conflict and get the
28:57
Speaker 1: result you want from the air? Obviously, I'm alluding to
29:01
Speaker 1: the fact that you wouldn't want to go in there
29:03
Speaker 1: on the ground, But will they potentially have to?
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Speaker 12: Well, this is one of Trump's points of difference, Steve.
29:09
Speaker 12: He's made it clear that in his mind, long wars
29:13
Speaker 12: that involve troops on the ground will not happen under
29:16
Speaker 12: his leadership. But what that means, I think is you
29:19
Speaker 12: have to be more realistic about the extent to which
29:23
Speaker 12: they can achieve regime collapse and overthrow. My personal view
29:29
Speaker 12: is that Trump will hold off from troops on the ground,
29:33
Speaker 12: concentrate on the air campaign, but what that will mean
29:36
Speaker 12: is he will probably accommodate some sort of regime light
29:40
Speaker 12: that remains in place. Unfortunately, I don't think that's good
29:43
Speaker 12: news for the people of Iran because I think there
29:46
Speaker 12: will be some sort of oppressive regime left in place.
29:49
Speaker 12: But it's possible that if Trump sees rapid success that
29:54
Speaker 12: we would see troops on the ground. They would only
29:56
Speaker 12: be special forces that with laser designators could more specifically
30:02
Speaker 12: target Iranian Republican guard that we're reacting to suppress the population.
30:07
Speaker 12: But on balance, I think we're unlikely to see boots
30:10
Speaker 12: on the ground.
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Speaker 2: GUS.
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Speaker 1: We've got to keep reminding ourselves this is a nation
30:14
Speaker 1: of ninety million people.
30:16
Speaker 2: It's huge in terms of land mass.
30:19
Speaker 1: So you know, we concentrate, you know, on Tehran, but
30:22
Speaker 1: you know, people who like you, who know that region
30:25
Speaker 1: much better, would would say, look, this is really really difficult.
30:30
Speaker 1: I mean, we've cut the head off the snake. All
30:32
Speaker 1: of the senior leaders are gone. How does the military, then,
30:36
Speaker 1: the Iranian military operate, I mean, who's giving them the orders?
30:40
Speaker 1: Who's keeping things under control?
30:42
Speaker 2: On their side?
30:44
Speaker 12: Yeah, the regime notified the West US before the attack
30:49
Speaker 12: started that they had nominated alternate command chains as far
30:53
Speaker 12: as four people deep. The expectation would be that those
30:58
Speaker 12: Iranian military commanders would already have their target sets, would
31:03
Speaker 12: already have their instructions, and would have been told to
31:06
Speaker 12: execute those missions, regardless of whether there was a connection
31:09
Speaker 12: to their higher headquarters. Now that can only go on
31:12
Speaker 12: for so long because ultimately, any change to the situation,
31:16
Speaker 12: it's very hard to communicate when your telecommunications are down,
31:20
Speaker 12: your internet is down, your military radios are being jammed.
31:23
Speaker 12: But I think what we're seeing now this set of
31:25
Speaker 12: targets around the Golf including the Golf States. You know,
31:29
Speaker 12: we're now seeing the Abraham's Accord countries being attacked. Specifically,
31:33
Speaker 12: these will have been in pre written mission sets. I
31:38
Speaker 12: think the challenge for the Iranians will be how to
31:41
Speaker 12: sustain that once this next phase of the American and
31:44
Speaker 12: Israeli campaign starts, that really goes after their military headquarters,
31:48
Speaker 12: their commander, control their internet. I think it will get
31:51
Speaker 12: harder every day for the Iranians to maintain coherence.
31:56
Speaker 1: GUS, just finally, were you surprised that friendly fire hit
31:59
Speaker 1: those I think they were IF sixteen's, but certainly American
32:03
Speaker 1: aircraft jets the Kuwaitis. Apparently their defense there knocked them
32:08
Speaker 1: out of the sky.
32:09
Speaker 2: Is that unusual? Did that surprise you? It didn't surprise me.
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Speaker 12: It saddened me, of course, But you know, having run
32:16
Speaker 12: massive exercise. One of my responsibilities was to run a
32:19
Speaker 12: thirty thousand person exercise that we did with the Americans.
32:22
Speaker 12: We call a Talisman Saber. You probably have heard of that.
32:25
Speaker 12: It happens every couple of years. The reason we run
32:27
Speaker 12: those big exercises over and over again is this kind
32:30
Speaker 12: of introperability. Can we confirm that our radars and our
32:34
Speaker 12: missiles are talking to their jets and vice versa, and
32:38
Speaker 12: in this case it looks like they were Kuwaiti missiles
32:41
Speaker 12: And even though the Kuwaitis are using the American Patriot system,
32:45
Speaker 12: it would only take one breakdown in the cryptosystem or
32:49
Speaker 12: the frequencies that the American jets may have been operating
32:53
Speaker 12: on that they did not appear as friendly jets for
32:56
Speaker 12: the Kuwaities. These are the reason militaries do exercises over
32:59
Speaker 12: and over again.
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Speaker 8: Again.
33:00
Speaker 12: We're privileged in the five eys community to have access
33:04
Speaker 12: to each other repeatedly. Unfortunately, I don't think that's probably
33:08
Speaker 12: the case for these Gulf state armies so we may
33:11
Speaker 12: see more of this, Steve.
33:13
Speaker 1: Well, Gus, we're privileged to be able to tap into
33:15
Speaker 1: your experience as usually.
33:17
Speaker 2: It's all it's great to catch up. Thanks a lot,
33:19
Speaker 2: my pleasure, Steve. We'll coming up.
33:22
Speaker 1: We'll stick to the Middle East and to ISRAELI. I'll
33:25
Speaker 1: take you to Israel shortly and we'll talk to an
33:27
Speaker 1: expat ossie about what the impact of that conflict is
33:30
Speaker 1: having on locals as hundreds of thousands of forced back
33:33
Speaker 1: into bomb shelters. That's up next, Welcome back panel coming
33:41
Speaker 1: up shortly. I want to go back to that issue
33:43
Speaker 1: of Australia and the disgraceful lack of fuel stocks that
33:47
Speaker 1: we have in the country. Chris Baron today, I mean seriously,
33:50
Speaker 1: he came out and said, well, if we all buy
33:52
Speaker 1: electric vehicles, we won't need petrol. I mean, that bloke
33:55
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Now though, I want to take you to
33:58
Speaker 1: the reality of life in Israel and are under direct
34:00
Speaker 1: attack again. Obviously Iran and Hezballah from Lebanon are again
34:05
Speaker 1: firing rockets into places like Tel Aviv, increasing fears that
34:10
Speaker 1: the regime may resort to even more destructive weaponry. So
34:14
Speaker 1: what's it like living there? This is obviously a huge
34:16
Speaker 1: strain on locals that have been consistently attacked since October seven. Now,
34:21
Speaker 1: one of those who's living there is David Earlik, who
34:24
Speaker 1: grew up in suburban Melbourne but moved to Israel in
34:28
Speaker 1: the late nineteen eighties.
34:29
Speaker 2: He now lives in.
34:29
Speaker 1: A place called Patash, a district about ten k east
34:33
Speaker 1: of Tel Aviv, which has been under direct fire. He
34:36
Speaker 1: joins us, Now, good to see you, David. I understand
34:40
Speaker 1: you've got some breaking news for us in regard to
34:44
Speaker 1: Israeli troops going into southern Lebanon.
34:48
Speaker 2: Is that right? That is correct.
34:50
Speaker 15: I've just announced in Israeli press in the two major
34:53
Speaker 15: papos he which are very central sort of papers, Wyette
34:56
Speaker 15: and enter Off, that Israel has now put boots on
34:59
Speaker 15: ground in to southern Lebanon and they are there for
35:02
Speaker 15: the duration to sort things out and make sure the
35:04
Speaker 15: threat is averted. That is the breaking news. Whether that
35:11
Speaker 15: happens in Iran or not. With America, we will see.
35:15
Speaker 15: I have a feeling it may not, because I think
35:17
Speaker 15: Trump's agenda might be different and he expects the Uranians
35:20
Speaker 15: to do the job for him, which is not necessarily wrong,
35:23
Speaker 15: but that's what's happened to here. Now they've put boots
35:24
Speaker 15: on ground in southern Lebanon.
35:27
Speaker 1: From your point of view, where you are, where you
35:29
Speaker 1: live with your family, what's more of a risk. Is
35:32
Speaker 1: it Hesbala firing rockets from southern Lebanon or is it
35:37
Speaker 1: ammunition coming out of Iran the other way?
35:41
Speaker 2: What affects you more?
35:43
Speaker 15: The ammunition from Iran. The distance from the gabelode by
35:48
Speaker 15: car is let's say three hour, three hour drivets something
35:52
Speaker 15: like that. And their rockets aren't as serious as the
35:55
Speaker 15: Iranian rockets, and it's easy to shoot them down. The
35:59
Speaker 15: Iranian rockets are ballistic rockets. They've got much bigger payloads
36:04
Speaker 15: on them, like hundreds of kilos. They shot a rocket
36:08
Speaker 15: which had about four hundred and ninety odd kilos into
36:10
Speaker 15: it into a suburban area in Bet Chemish which took
36:13
Speaker 15: down a house and killed about over a dozen or
36:17
Speaker 15: approximately a dozen people and wounded countless others. Their rockets
36:21
Speaker 15: are far more serious, and their plan was to also
36:24
Speaker 15: arm them with your nuclear capability, which obviously has not happened,
36:28
Speaker 15: and thank god did not happen. So their rockets are
36:31
Speaker 15: far more serious.
36:33
Speaker 1: What's your protection? I mean you obviously have access to
36:37
Speaker 1: a bomb shelter or a safe room somewhere near your house.
36:41
Speaker 15: Yes, well, the new Israeli buildings are built with safe rooms,
36:44
Speaker 15: and most people in israelivant apart buildings, and they build
36:47
Speaker 15: this concrete sleeve much like an elevator sort of shaft
36:51
Speaker 15: inside the building, which is reinforced contract concrete. We live
36:54
Speaker 15: in an older building and it has a shelter in
36:57
Speaker 15: the basement which is submerged underground. Have been spending quite
37:01
Speaker 15: a bit of time in that shelter getting to know
37:05
Speaker 15: the neighbors. Yeah, it's a social sort of event in
37:09
Speaker 15: inverted commers. If I could be a little bit flippant
37:11
Speaker 15: sort of to break the tension, but yes, we go
37:14
Speaker 15: down to the shelter. We have about five six, seven
37:17
Speaker 15: minutes warning our phones they can hijack our mobiles, you know,
37:22
Speaker 15: our samsuls or our iPhones what have it, and the
37:25
Speaker 15: medile my case an iPhone, and we get a message
37:28
Speaker 15: been in. About five minutes later, the I sirens start
37:30
Speaker 15: ringing outside and you dash downstairs, being careful not to fall,
37:34
Speaker 15: and you sit there for the duration of a thing.
37:37
Speaker 15: One of our neighbors very kindly put internet into our shelter,
37:41
Speaker 15: so we also get the messages from the government when
37:44
Speaker 15: the event is open, and we can go back upstairs
37:47
Speaker 15: and do whatever we want to do. Work has been canceled,
37:49
Speaker 15: that sort of thing, so most people are at home.
37:51
Speaker 15: School has been canceled. Most people are at home. The day's
37:55
Speaker 15: sort of a semi holiday day to day of Pouring,
37:57
Speaker 15: which celebrates a victory over actually a Persian king as
38:02
Speaker 15: you wears and his crony Haman, which happened in about
38:05
Speaker 15: the year five one hundred or four hundred BCBC, however
38:10
Speaker 15: you call it. That's today, So sort of a bit
38:13
Speaker 15: of a public holiday today, so a lot of people
38:17
Speaker 15: are actually at home. That celebrations have sort of been
38:20
Speaker 15: put on hold. Kids dress up. It's a bit like
38:22
Speaker 15: an all a wind day, you know, they bring treats
38:25
Speaker 15: to each other's houses and this sort of thing. But
38:28
Speaker 15: that has been put on hold and is not really
38:30
Speaker 15: happen today. People have been told to stay put at
38:33
Speaker 15: home in their homes so they can get to their
38:35
Speaker 15: safe areas as quickly as possible.
38:37
Speaker 1: It never ceases to amaze me how you stay so positive.
38:41
Speaker 1: I mean, I just live I'm in awe of the
38:43
Speaker 1: fact that you can do that. David Early, thank you
38:46
Speaker 1: very much for joining us. You make yourself safe, make
38:49
Speaker 1: sure your family stay safe as well. Okay, coming up,
38:52
Speaker 1: motorists are out there panic buying. I saw myself in
38:55
Speaker 1: petrol stations today, crowds and.
38:57
Speaker 2: Ques of people.
38:58
Speaker 1: So how does Australia shore up it's fuel resources? No
39:01
Speaker 1: one in Canberra seems even worried about it. Plus Malcolm
39:04
Speaker 1: Turbol lees.
39:05
Speaker 2: At it again.
39:06
Speaker 1: Never mind the millions of Iranians celebrating on the streets
39:08
Speaker 1: around the world. The former PM, well he knows better.
39:16
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
39:17
Speaker 15: Well.
39:17
Speaker 1: I started the program yesterday with this discussion about Australian fuel.
39:21
Speaker 1: The amount of petrol and diesel and jet fuel even
39:24
Speaker 1: that we have stored in Australia, it's ridiculously low. It's
39:27
Speaker 1: thirty six days, which is six weeks, not even five weeks.
39:32
Speaker 1: Australian fuel prices are now going to go above two
39:35
Speaker 1: dollars because of what's going on in the Middle East.
39:37
Speaker 2: It may even go higher than that.
39:39
Speaker 1: I witnessed myself this morning a number of petrol stations
39:42
Speaker 1: with large queues. There was one very cheap petrol station
39:45
Speaker 1: in western Sydney that had cues where people started queuing
39:48
Speaker 1: at five o'clock in the morning. Now Irana's closed the
39:51
Speaker 1: Straight of holl Wars, So that means twenty percent of
39:53
Speaker 1: the world's oil that moves in and out of there
39:56
Speaker 1: could in fact be clogged.
39:58
Speaker 2: Up and not move for a long time.
40:00
Speaker 1: So these prices, these retail prices may go even higher
40:04
Speaker 1: than that.
40:05
Speaker 2: Now.
40:05
Speaker 1: There's been warnings not to panic by Andrew Hasty earlier
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Speaker 1: today talked about this idea of how much we have
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Speaker 1: and the fallout from the war.
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Speaker 2: In regard to fuel here, he.
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Speaker 9: Is, Yeah, we have very limited extraction and refining capacity here.
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Speaker 9: We import almost all of our liquid fuel at the moment,
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Speaker 9: and we run a diesel economy in this country. All
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Speaker 9: those coals and wools trucks that deliver groceries to families
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Speaker 9: all over the country, if they were to stop because
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Speaker 9: there was no fuel very quickly, we'd have issues with
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Speaker 9: food and other supplies and also our pharmaceuticals.
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Speaker 8: So we are very vulnerable.
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Speaker 9: And that's why I believe that we should reindustrialize this country,
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Speaker 9: and part of reindustrialization will involve fixing our fueld security issues.
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Speaker 1: Then I heard Chris Bowen. He had a media conference
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Speaker 1: likeate today, the Environment Minister, and what a fool that
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Speaker 1: man is. I mean, he said, oh, well, what we
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Speaker 1: should all do is go out and buy electric vehicles
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Speaker 1: and then you won't need to buy petrol and we
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Speaker 1: won't need to have the storage. Let's go to our panel,
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Speaker 1: Liberal MP Tony Passen and Page Research Center chief executive
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Speaker 1: Jared Holland. Welcome to you both. I mean to you first, Tony,
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Speaker 1: I mean thirty six days, that's that's five weeks only.
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Speaker 1: So if everything shut down, all the shipping lanes and
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Speaker 1: we've got no deliveries of refined fuel or crude and
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Speaker 1: we don't refine it ourselves, we don't extract oil in
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Speaker 1: this country. As we saw there from Andrew Hasty, the
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Speaker 1: place grinds to a halt.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 16: And you know, as someone who represents a rural electric
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Speaker 16: we're leading into seating and the idea that farmers wouldn't
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Speaker 16: have the diesel they need to get set in the ground.
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Speaker 16: I mean, the immediate concern would be the concerns Andrews
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Speaker 16: indicated about supply chains and these things. But as you say,
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Speaker 16: our country runs on diesel effectively, whether it's the mining
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Speaker 16: sector or the agricultural sector, or across very many of
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Speaker 16: our industrial sectors. And for Chris Bowen and say, oh,
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Speaker 16: I don't worry about it, just go and buy an
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Speaker 16: electric car. I mean, I don't know, Chris, but I'm
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Speaker 16: still waiting to see the four hundred horsepower electric tractors.
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Speaker 16: I haven't seen any of them yet. They run on diesel,
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Speaker 16: and that is it. And to think also, we need
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Speaker 16: to also think about what this is going to do
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Speaker 16: to inflation in the country. You just spoke about the
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Speaker 16: price of fuel. It's going to rock it up. And
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Speaker 16: that's why we should have a government that's focusing on
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Speaker 16: getting inflation at the bottom of the band, so you
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Speaker 16: have this kind of headroom for when you have shocks
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Speaker 16: like this one. But unfortunately we're not only at the
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Speaker 16: bottom of the band, we're past the top of the band.
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Speaker 16: And now this shock comes along and there's just no
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Speaker 16: capacity to deal with that. I'm really scared, Steve about
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Speaker 16: where this will end up, and particularly the supply issue,
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Speaker 16: but also the inflation issue.
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Speaker 1: Jared, when I was growing up in South Australia in
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Speaker 1: the sixties, I mean just south of where I lived,
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Speaker 1: was a place called Port Standback, which Tony you know,
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Speaker 1: well where you know, ships would pull in there, they'd
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Speaker 1: upload crude oil and they'd start making petrol and diesel.
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Speaker 1: Why the hell have we let our entire industry of
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Speaker 1: producing our own fuel disappear?
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Speaker 17: Short sighted? This naivety and confidence, there's no other real
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Speaker 17: way to put it. And we've been talking about fuel security.
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Speaker 17: That's enormously important discussion. But the other big commodity talking
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Speaker 17: point out of that region is of course LNG. So
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Speaker 17: Qatar they've had some strikes and some of their critical
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Speaker 17: infrastructure for their LNG production. They produced about twenty percent
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Speaker 17: of the world's LNG. Now, to put that into context,
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Speaker 17: for Russia, and when that LNG, that gas was taken offline,
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Speaker 17: they produced about fifty million tons per anam. Well, in
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Speaker 17: Qatar it's eighty million tons per adam, and we are
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Speaker 17: still recovering from the Russian shop. We don't have that
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Speaker 17: capacity in international markets now. It is completely unconscionable that
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Speaker 17: we have done nothing to bring more supply domestically online
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Speaker 17: since that happened. Victoria is still building their import terminals.
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Speaker 17: They figured they'll get their gas somewhere else. Despite the
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Speaker 17: fact they have ample reserves in state New South Wales
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Speaker 17: as well. We still crawl along without getting these approvals
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Speaker 17: moving through the system, and so criticularly Queensland Way and
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Speaker 17: this project up in the Beaterloo. They're going to be
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Speaker 17: vitally important to secure Australia's energy security in this next season,
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Speaker 17: but it's going to be very painful. There is no
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Speaker 17: way around it. There is enormous red flashing lights on
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Speaker 17: the dashboard at the moment, and our government has been
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Speaker 17: completely incompetent, naive and unwilling to have the real conversations
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Speaker 17: with the strains about what this will entail, or take
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Speaker 17: the steps to mitigate the kind of fallout. And we
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Speaker 17: can expect these crises again. We've been telling you since Russia.
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Speaker 17: We've been telling you since the red lines were crossed
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Speaker 17: in Syria. These events will continue. The international environment is
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Speaker 17: increasingly unstable and Australia is not prepared.
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Speaker 2: Tony, he's a question for you. I know you love it.
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Speaker 1: How did your mob ever let Malcolm Turnble become Prime Minister?
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Speaker 1: I mean there he is this morning accusing the Trump
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Speaker 1: administration of launching an illegal attack on Iran. I painfully
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Speaker 1: have to show you here is I.
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Speaker 18: Want to raise a more troubling issue that this war
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Speaker 18: is clearly in breach of international law. I mean, there
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Speaker 18: isn't an international law in the world it doesn't say
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Speaker 18: it is.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's clearly in breach of the UN Charter.
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Speaker 18: The United States under the Trump administration expressly disavows international law.
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Speaker 1: So Tony, presumably Malcolm would leave a murderous dictator in
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Speaker 1: charge of a murderous regime who, about a month ago
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Speaker 1: murdered thirty thousand of their own people in the streets
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Speaker 1: of Tehran because they dared to protest about what the
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Speaker 1: government was telling them to do. How did that bloke
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Speaker 1: ever lead your party?
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Speaker 16: Well, Steve, full disclosure might not surprise you to learn
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Speaker 16: I didn't vote for the bloke. And I've got to
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Speaker 16: tell you it's the hardest professional time of my life
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Speaker 16: having to come to work for him every single day.
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Speaker 16: And I just wish he would shuffle off into his
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Speaker 16: retirement because, to be honest, every time he speaks, I
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Speaker 16: get this strange twitch. It's like post traumatic stress disorder.
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Speaker 16: I mean, quite frankly, you're right, every time he speaks
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Speaker 16: he reminds us of Australians of the real Malcolm Turbull,
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Speaker 16: the Malcolm Turble that many of us during his time
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Speaker 16: as Prime Minister had to shield the Australian people from
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Speaker 16: for fear that they might think that the rest of
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Speaker 16: us thought the way he did and cause damage to
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Speaker 16: the Liberal Party and its cause. Look, I just spend
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Speaker 16: very little time thinking about Malcolm Turbule. This is a
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Speaker 16: man who lost was it nineteen seats? Took us from
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Speaker 16: a thumping majority under Tony Abbott to a majority by
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Speaker 16: Hair's Breathan, I just don't understand why Malcolm continues to
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Speaker 16: enter civic debate. He should take a leaf out of
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Speaker 16: Julia Gillard Gillard's Gillard's attitude to post prime ministerial activity.
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Speaker 16: I didn't think a lot of Gillard as a Prime minister,
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Speaker 16: but she's gone up in my estimation post politics for
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Speaker 16: the way she's held herself during that period. And I
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Speaker 16: just I wish more former prime minister's Malcolm Turnbull principle
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Speaker 16: amongst them took a leaf out of her book.
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Speaker 1: Jared, it's also the bloker gave a snowy two point zero.
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Speaker 1: There you go, there's a free kick for you giving
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Speaker 1: him a whack for that tee off.
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Speaker 17: It's exactly right, and he polised us at the time
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Speaker 17: it's going to cost two billion dollars. We're now talking
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Speaker 17: about forty billion dollars for a glorified battery. Again, this
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Speaker 17: doesn't HydroD doesn't produce electricity. It stores electricities. The kind
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Speaker 17: of thing you build at the end when you've got
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Speaker 17: the excess in the grid to capture, and when you
47:56
Speaker 17: look at the fence, then when you look at our
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Speaker 17: energy infrastructure, you look at a lot of the decisions
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Speaker 17: that have brought us to the point where we are today,
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Speaker 17: where we are so incredibly vulnerable. It really does start just.
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Speaker 2: Makes it.
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Speaker 1: Just makes you shake your head. You can't believe it,
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Speaker 1: shake you shake your head. Thank you, gentlemen. Very nice
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Speaker 1: to have you with us. Appreciate it very much. Just
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Speaker 1: as some breaking news by the way, I mean I've
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Speaker 1: never been a fan, but the Kyle and Jackie O
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Speaker 2: Gone is Andrew Bob