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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-18-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: weekend in the sports landscape. We talked about what might
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  Speaker 2: happen over the weekend on Friday, and Cleveland close excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: Cleveland closes it out. They're headed to the Eastern Conference
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  Speaker 2: Finals against New York that'll begin tomorrow. Donovan Mitchell has
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz and all of us that were fans
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  Speaker 2: of don and fans of what was happening while he
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  Speaker 2: was in Salt Lake City, I think thought he was
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  Speaker 2: capable of and you saw, like you haven't throughout these
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  Speaker 2: playoffs always.
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  Speaker 3: In every game seen the very best version of Donovan Mitchell.
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  Speaker 2: But I think in the closeout game, you did see
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  Speaker 2: the best version of Donovan Mitchell, where he is a
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  Speaker 2: guy that can be ball dominant, can be the scorer,
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  Speaker 2: can be the guy who.
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  Speaker 3: Scores you, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, thirty nine points and a half, or he could
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  Speaker 2: be somebody that plays a more traditional point guardish role
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  Speaker 2: and facilitates for teammates, still gets a lot of attention
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  Speaker 2: from opposing team's either best or second best defender, draws
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  Speaker 2: the and then finds open teammates. And I think we
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  Speaker 2: saw a really good version of that from Donovan Mitchell. Now,
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  Speaker 2: can you carry that same thing consistently through a seven
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  Speaker 2: game series against the red hawk New York Knicks team. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I guess part of that depends on whether or not
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  Speaker 2: the New York Knicks are able to stay red hot
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  Speaker 2: given the amount of rest that they've had. Probably much
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  Speaker 2: more interestingly in the NBA is tonight's game, the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of a Western Conference final, where the San Antonio Spurs
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  Speaker 2: and the Oklahoma City Thunder. I think they battle for
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  Speaker 2: what a lot of folks might think is sort of
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  Speaker 2: the de facto.
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  Speaker 3: NBA Finals matchup. I mean, we do this all the time.
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  Speaker 2: We do this in the NFL, we do this in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA, We were doing it this year, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: in the NHL, where it's like, all right, the winner
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  Speaker 2: of this series is the actual eventual winner of the championship.
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people viewed this San
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  Speaker 2: Antonio OKC series that way, And if you're a Jazz fan,
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  Speaker 2: which I know most of you are, when your franchise
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  Speaker 2: has kind of checked all these boxes this year, oh man,
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  Speaker 2: gotta use some of this abundance of draft capital to
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  Speaker 2: bring in maybe maybe a veteran player that can help
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  Speaker 2: us all Jared Jackson junior.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, check that box. Gotta get better defensively.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's a former Defensive Player of the Year, so
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  Speaker 2: he's supposed to take care of that for you as well.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, So maybe two birds with one stone on
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  Speaker 2: that one. We've still got a tank, guys. We still
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  Speaker 2: got to get to maintain our top pick. And for
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  Speaker 2: so much of the year, our question was whether or
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  Speaker 2: not you're gonna lose the pick to Oklahoma City. It
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  Speaker 2: honestly dominated the conversation more during the regular season than hey,
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  Speaker 2: is this is there chances is gonna be the number
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  Speaker 2: one pick? Is there a chances is gonna be the
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  Speaker 2: number two pick? Is there chance this is gonna translate
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  Speaker 2: the aj DEBONSA. I had put that outside of mind
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  Speaker 2: because this Jazz team was flirting so much with being
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  Speaker 2: better than they needed to be.
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  Speaker 3: But they've checked the boxes.
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  Speaker 2: Now you've got to figure out the Walker Kessler extension
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  Speaker 2: got to check that box. And eventually, when you've kind
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  Speaker 2: of done all the in house stuff, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be able to turn your attention to all, right, now,
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  Speaker 2: who are we going to chase?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what are we competing with? And if you do
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  Speaker 3: that right now, if.
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  Speaker 2: You look, if you make that shift and focus right now,
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  Speaker 2: it is a terrifying realization as a Utah Jazz fan
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  Speaker 2: that the young Oklahoma City team is going to be
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  Speaker 2: together for quite some time, and that their back to
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  Speaker 2: back MVP is probably not going to slow down anytime soon,
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  Speaker 2: and that the rule changes in the NBA are not
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  Speaker 2: going to focus around him and his acting and his
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  Speaker 2: free throw merchants at us.
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  Speaker 3: So he's going to be that dude for the next
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  Speaker 3: several years.
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  Speaker 2: And then you're like, all right, well, maybe something crazy
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  Speaker 2: you'll happen there, And then you're like, oh, wait, san Antonio,
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  Speaker 2: oh Victor win Minyama. San Antonio is even younger than
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  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City and their superstar is not even in his
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  Speaker 2: prime yet, hasn't been an MVP yet. All of us
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  Speaker 2: know that someday he will be, and so they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be hanging around in front of us, and then
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  Speaker 2: you look at it and you say, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: if it's just those two, maybe we can bully our
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  Speaker 2: way into a Western Conference finals against one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe somehow the seating will work out someday so they
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  Speaker 2: have to play each other earlier on and then we
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  Speaker 2: could catch the next team on the flip side.
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  Speaker 3: And then I.
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  Speaker 2: Think you look at it, you're like, maybe we could
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  Speaker 2: be Minnesota. And if you're Minnesota, you're looking at it
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  Speaker 2: right now and you're going like, what the bleep do
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  Speaker 2: we have to do to get over the hump We
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  Speaker 2: thought we had done it in the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: We're the right matchup for Denver, got them out of
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  Speaker 2: our hair, We're the right match up for la I
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  Speaker 2: think we're the right matchup for all these different teams.
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  Speaker 2: And we thought maybe just maybe we were the right
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  Speaker 2: matchup for San Antonio.
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  Speaker 3: But turns out we're not.
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  Speaker 2: And Anthony Edwards is check it out of a game
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  Speaker 2: down thirty with eight minutes left, drawing attention to the
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  Speaker 2: fact that we're not even competitive enough to have our
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  Speaker 2: superstar playing to the final minutes of the game.
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  Speaker 3: That sucks. If you're Minnesota, they haven't done it.
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  Speaker 2: They did a lot of things right recently, So the NBA, man,
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  Speaker 2: it is a tough, tough hill to climb. We'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about that with Gordi Chies and when he joined us
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  Speaker 2: on the show that's coming up. We're gonna do Monday
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  Speaker 2: and Wednesday with Gordy this week instead of Tuesday and
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  Speaker 2: Thursday with Gordy because Thursday and Friday I've got PFL duties.
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  Speaker 3: So Gordy on Monday's show and on Wednesday's show.
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  Speaker 2: I know that a lot of you tune in just
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  Speaker 2: to hear Gordy, which makes perfect sense to me because
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  Speaker 2: I would do the same thing. It'll be today and
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  Speaker 2: it'll be Wednesday. Also on the show today, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: check in with the potential number two overall pick. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get as much update as we can, enough insight
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  Speaker 2: as we can on Darren Peterson through the voice of
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  Speaker 2: Kansas Men's basketball. Brian Haney is going to swing by
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to that conversation because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: questions around Darren Peterson and right now I'm putting him
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  Speaker 2: in the same category that we all put Ace Bailey
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  Speaker 2: in last year. I don't know about this guy, and
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  Speaker 2: we were pretty I think foolish those of us who
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  Speaker 2: did put Ace Bailey in that conversation last year, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, is that really the kind of guy
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  Speaker 2: you want? If all these rumors are true, him not
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  Speaker 2: wanting to be here, I don't know, man, And look,
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  Speaker 2: that was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: We were wrong. I'm happy to admit that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very happy to admit it, actually, because it's worked
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  Speaker 2: out very nicely for the Utah Jazz. So we'll check
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  Speaker 2: in with the Voice of Kansas Basketball, Brian Haney on
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  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson and what he thinks that young man is
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  Speaker 2: going to be.
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  Speaker 3: In the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually I also want to know how Kansas fans
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  Speaker 2: feel about Darren because it was a complicated year. Right
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  Speaker 2: If BYU fans had brought in Aj Debonza and Aj
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  Speaker 2: had not been the absolute treasure that he was, if
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  Speaker 2: he had pulled himself out of games and he had
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  Speaker 2: kind of vague, weird health problems, and your head, your
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  Speaker 2: head coach had sat down at a couple of press
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  Speaker 2: conferences and expressed his own frustration and.
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  Speaker 3: Been like, yeah, man, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Kansas got the messaging corrected toward the end of the season,
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  Speaker 2: but there's plenty of time if you were a Kansas
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  Speaker 2: basketball fan to build up Resentment might be the wrong word, but.
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  Speaker 3: I think resentment might be the right word, at.
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  Speaker 2: Least a little like mild animosity or at the very
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  Speaker 2: least skepticism of the young player. Now, thankfully, if you
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  Speaker 2: were a BYU fan, you didn't have to deal with
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  Speaker 2: that with aj because what he did is he came
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  Speaker 2: in and he delivered on kind of everything, every little
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  Speaker 2: bit of hype that had preceded him and that followed him.
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  Speaker 2: I look forward to that conversation that's coming up at
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  Speaker 2: one o'clock on the show Brian Hanney from Kansas Men's Basketball,
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  Speaker 2: to talk mostly Darren Peterson and also a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of the nil landscape, which is right now, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, is getting pretty crazy. Here's some fun
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  Speaker 2: figures for you. This is from Ross Dellinger and an
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  Speaker 2: article that he was reporting on does a really really
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  Speaker 2: good job. By the way, if you're not already following
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  Speaker 2: Ross Dellinger, it's Ross Dellinger at Yahoo Sports. He dabbles
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  Speaker 2: in the NIL space. We've talked about this, We touched
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  Speaker 2: on it briefly. The Nebraska football team had eighteen NIL
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  Speaker 2: deals that were canned by the CSC. The College Sports
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  Speaker 2: Commission is the enforcing body on the house settlement. The
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  Speaker 2: new rules of what NIL is supposed to be right.
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  Speaker 2: The legitimacy of the transaction is evaluated and or approved
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  Speaker 2: by the College Sports Commission. They function as the NCAA
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  Speaker 2: enforcement arm used to We've talked about this as soon
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  Speaker 2: as this thing was formed. If you go back to
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  Speaker 2: our show, you could pull it up on the archives
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  Speaker 2: at ESPN seven hundred sports dot com or on the
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  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred app. You go back to what we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about then. And we were pessimistically skeptical of
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  Speaker 2: the idea that this CSC was going to come in
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  Speaker 2: and A have any kind of enforcement authority in the
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  Speaker 2: first place, b had the capacity to try to evaluate
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  Speaker 2: all of these deals because they were going to be flooded.
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  Speaker 2: They were understaffed, they were completely overwhelmed, and we questioned
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  Speaker 2: how long it would last. The buy in from especially
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  Speaker 2: the big ten in the SEC, but certainly even from
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  Speaker 2: the big time players in ACC and Big twelve football,
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  Speaker 2: and even like the Boise States of the world, right
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  Speaker 2: because Boise has been the punching bag of these enforcement
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  Speaker 2: policies for years, they've made examples out of Boise. The
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  Speaker 2: NCAA used to, at least not the College Sports Commission,
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  Speaker 2: and so I was always like, all right, what is
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  Speaker 2: this body actually going to look like? And here we
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  Speaker 2: are less than a full year later, and already there's
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  Speaker 2: some rumbling, some rumors that the Big ten in the
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  Speaker 2: SEC especially, but again the major power players in college
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  Speaker 2: football are more strongly considering a breakaway than they ever have.
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  Speaker 2: And the frustration comes on that front from exactly what
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  Speaker 2: Nebraska just dealt with. Now, Nebraska took it all the
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  Speaker 2: way to court and said, no, these are legitimate nil deals.
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  Speaker 2: You've turned these away. This is compensation that these players deserve,
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  Speaker 2: which in the modern landscape of college football is probably true.
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  Speaker 2: They're probably good enough players that they deserve to be paid.
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  Speaker 2: But remember the NCAA rules are supposed to be that, well,
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  Speaker 2: you have to have proven that and you have to
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  Speaker 2: actually do use something in order to receive the compensation.
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  Speaker 2: If your college football team is funneling money through i
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  Speaker 2: don't know, like random Volkswagen jettas to people, well they
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  Speaker 2: better be doing a Volkswagen commercial. If your favorite college
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  Speaker 2: football player has a scholarship that is accessorized with money
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  Speaker 2: from a I don't know, hotel chain, they better be
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  Speaker 2: doing something for the hotel chain. If there's a crumble
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  Speaker 2: Cookie logo on every bit of clothing that that player has,
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  Speaker 2: and as such he is receiving hundreds of thousands or
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  Speaker 2: maybe even millions of dollars from Crumble Cookie, that's an
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  Speaker 2: endorsement deal that makes sense. The College Sports Commission is
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  Speaker 2: tasked with evaluating these things, and in Nebraska case, they
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  Speaker 2: basically were like, no, this is pay for play. Used
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  Speaker 2: a collective fund, you used a bunch of donor funds
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  Speaker 2: that was just a big pool of money, and you
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  Speaker 2: said you get this much, you get this much, you
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  Speaker 2: get this much.
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  Speaker 3: And you didn't make them do anything for it.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't make them voice a commercial, you didn't make
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  Speaker 2: them show up to a signing event, and so that
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  Speaker 2: money was not delivered to the players. The CSC said, Nope, Nebraska,
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  Speaker 2: if you promised these guys this, you did not offer
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  Speaker 2: it in a legitimate way. We could penalize you for this. No,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have it. And the court upheld the decision,
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  Speaker 2: which emboldened and further strengthened the CSC. Right now, according
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  Speaker 2: to the article written by Yahoo Sports and Ross Dellinger,
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  Speaker 2: right now, the amount of money tied up in the
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  Speaker 2: evaluation process is over one hundred million dollars of nil
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  Speaker 2: deals to student athletes. And that, by the way, is
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  Speaker 2: all since January first this year. So when that transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal window opened, right when Michigan came a call in
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  Speaker 2: to JJ Buchanan and John Henry Daily and said, this
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  Speaker 2: is the money that you're going to get. That money
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  Speaker 2: has to be vetted, that contract, that endorsement deal, that
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  Speaker 2: nil compensation has to be vetted through the College Sports Commission,
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  Speaker 2: through the CSC, and if they determine, if they decide,
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  Speaker 2: as in many cases they have, excuse me that, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's not legitimate. We don't want that. We're not going
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  Speaker 2: to do that. You can't give the money to the player.
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  Speaker 2: And then what happens, Well, then the player and the
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  Speaker 2: player's agent and the player's parents are going like, hey, coach,
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  Speaker 2: what the bleep is this? You said we were gonna
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  Speaker 2: get two million dollars to play here in ann Arbor.
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  Speaker 2: You said I was getting five million dollars to move
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  Speaker 2: to Lubbock, Texas. You know, there's only two targets here. Coach, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I was told I'd get nine hundred grand to go
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  Speaker 2: play tight end at BYU. That's why I transferred here.
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  Speaker 2: Why am I not being given this money? And that
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  Speaker 2: is why coaches are frustrated? Now, where are the frustrations
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  Speaker 2: coming in? It's mostly from the SEC and the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 2: And you want to know why it's mostly from the
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  Speaker 2: SEC in the Big Ten. Here's another number that's gonna
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  Speaker 2: blow your socks off. James Peterson, by the way, producing today,
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  Speaker 2: he's back there pushing buttons, pretending he's doing important stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I like that, James.
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  Speaker 2: If I ask you what you estimate the number of
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  Speaker 2: the number of dollars currently in the process, total dollars
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  Speaker 2: that have either been distributed already or have been funneled
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  Speaker 2: through the CSC. Some have been approved, some have not
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  Speaker 2: been approved. Since January one this year, what do you
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  Speaker 2: think the dollar amount in Division one Athletics of NIL
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  Speaker 2: money submitted to the CSC these agreements. The total what
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  Speaker 2: do you think it is since January one? So, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's a large sample, but it's five and.
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  Speaker 3: A half months.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like going back to the beginning of NIL
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  Speaker 2: this year. How much paperwork or how much how much
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  Speaker 2: money is on that paperwork?
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  Speaker 3: You think total.
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  Speaker 4: Sixty million, one hundred million, it's two hundred and fifty million. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's two hundred and fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's all the power for conferences and whatever the
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  Speaker 2: other stuff, you know, whatever the new PAC twelve is offering,
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  Speaker 2: like I have on good authority that teams like Utah State,
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  Speaker 2: Fresno State, Colorado State, there's maybe one or two or
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  Speaker 2: three players as a small handful of players at each
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  Speaker 2: of those instant us that's being offered some kind of
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  Speaker 2: nil deal. And by the way, in most cases in
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  Speaker 2: those places, they're very legitimate and il deals where there's
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  Speaker 2: one wealthy donor one wealthy business owner who's like, this
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  Speaker 2: person is my endorser whatever. So the CSC is signing
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  Speaker 2: off on most of those deals. Okay, So two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty million, according to the Yahoo Sports article, is
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  Speaker 2: is kind of on the books so far, either being
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  Speaker 2: distributed or being tied up because there's questions about whether
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  Speaker 2: or not it's legitimate. How much of that money do
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  Speaker 2: you think is going only to the big ten or
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  Speaker 2: the sec or was submitted I should say by Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten or SEC schools.
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  Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty million total.
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  Speaker 2: What percentage of that do you think is going through
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  Speaker 2: the two big boy players in college sports?
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  Speaker 3: Right now?
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea, So I'm so my guess is
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  Speaker 4: probably going to be way off, just like the first
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  Speaker 4: one was. But seventy five percent.
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  Speaker 2: You're dead on. Wow, it's seventy five percent. That's about
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety million.
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  Speaker 5: Back.
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  Speaker 4: I knew the whole time, all right, I knew that
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  Speaker 4: the whole time. I thought it was gonna be high.
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  Speaker 4: But I I thought that I was gonna go way higher,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you know, like I went way lower the first time.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Now, So like some of that's a function of numbers, right,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Like the actual number of teams that are in those conferences.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: That's a big, big chunk of the power.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: For Yeah, that's a great point to bring that up,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: because they have more than the ACC and the SEC
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: and Big ten are I think more than the ACC
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: and Big twelve, mind by like one or two they
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: have maybe a little bit more. Well, there's eighteen teams
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: now in the Big Ten, right yeah? Is it sixteen
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: the SEC?
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Though? So?
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: And I think there's seventeen in the ACC. Okay, so
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: no wrong, I know. Now it's an odd number they've got,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: They've got an extra couple of teams. Now, the more
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: important number is when you look at especially the Big Ten,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: and this is part of why they're back as kings
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: and queens of college sports right now. Last three college
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: football national championships, current number one rank baseball team in
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: the country, the men's and women's NCAA basketball champions all
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: in the Big Ten Conference. But the most important number
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: here is the population centers that these Big Ten universities
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: are in.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Remember they're they're California, all the way to the East
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Coast to the New York, New Jersey metro area. They're
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: scattered across the entire United States. And with all due
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: respect and love to our our current status in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Big twelve, in the truck stop Conference. Like, there's a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: reason it's called that, right. The reason the Big Ten
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: wanted UCLA and USC, they really only wanted a USC.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But the reason they took both is because of the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles market. And I lamented how much we talked
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: about television size, television market size and fans should not
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: have to care, and I still believe that, But when
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you've got teams in Chicago, when you've got teams in
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the Greater Detroit metro, when you've got teams in fairly
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: large cities like Columbus, when you've got teams in Seattle,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: and you've got teams in LA and you've got teams
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: in New York New Jersey area. Yeah, I don't care
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: how many available televisions, And as a sports fan, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: don't think you should. I think it's a stupid, stupid
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: metric that all of us got sucked into. And by
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the way, Indiana is not successful because of the massive
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: television market that they're in right now. But when you're
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: talking about nil deals, and you're talking about especially the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: legitimate ones that are going to be cleared by the CSC, what.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Do those big cities have more of?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: What do those big cities have that maybe other smaller
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: markets don't. Well, it's corporations. Corporations mean more money, it's headquarters,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: it's and like even in the case of Oregon, it's
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: not a big metro. Eugene is not a big television metro.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Even Portland is not that big of a television metro.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: But it just so happens to be the Nike headquarters.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Right, So the Big Ten has that embarrassment of riches,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and that's hyper relevant to this conversation because the Big
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Ten and it's universities that are now the most powerful
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: universities and athletic departments in the country, and the corporate
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: sponsors and partners of those universities are looking at the
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: CSC and just be like, why are we?
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: What? Who are you? Can you imagine being Phil Knight? Right?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: You have created not just a successful company, but you
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: have created now a decades long empire of sports equipment
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and apparel and cultural relevance that I mean, there are
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: very few stories of American bootstraps that have gone the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: way that Nike has. And I know you're out there listening,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: said they've got sweatshops. I'm not glorifying that version of Nike.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not glorifying that part of it. But if you're
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Phil Knight and you're like some CSC email comes through,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: just be like, Hey, we're flagging the million dollars that
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you offered to this offensive tackle from Bingham High School
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in South Jordan, Utah. That's pay for play. That's not
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a legitimate nil deal. And you're just going I'm Phil Knight.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: You don't tell me what's good and what's not good.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I want that and we're gonna get it, and you
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: can't tell me otherwise.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Now that that CSC.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Person has done their job probably the right way and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: is going with the letter of the law, and Phil
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Knight doesn't care about the letter of the law or
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: the spirit of the law. Phil Knight cares about Oregon
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: winning a national championship before he dies. And he's in
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: his mid eighties, and so he's like, what do we
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: need the CSC for? And he picks up a phone
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and he calls the chancellor down at USC, Hey, do
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you need the CSC.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: And that person's just like, no.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: We do.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Come on, we do, Phil, we do.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And then he calls up the guy at Michigan Jordan
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Brand Jordan Brand School. Do you do you really feel
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: like you need the CSC. Oh, you know what, we
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: had the same problem. We wanted these two transfers to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: come from the University of Utah with the coach and
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the CSS tying up some of their money.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: So now they're like, well, are we going to get
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: this money or not.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: The power players in college football, according to this article,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: are looking at seventy five percent of the total nil
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: money going through two conferences, Big ten SEC and in
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: those conferences, they are questioning on every level whether or
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: not the House settlement could be restructured, whether or not
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the CSC and the enforcement arm of the NCAA is
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: even relevant to what they're doing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Who told you this was going to happen less than
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: a year ago.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: This is the most predictable outcome possible where coaches, athletic directors,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: university presidents, and brand partners and sponsors are raising an
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: eyebrow when they say so. You're telling me that I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: secured these funds from our donor base, that I wrangled
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars, that's too big of a number.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: That I wrangled forty million dollars.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: For the University of Michigan football team to have this
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: many players on this much nil money.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: We're given our quarterback seven million.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I got that all sorted out with our powerful, influential,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: successful alumni base. I'm not taking a single dime of
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it away from the university's academic needs or endowment.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: But I have figured this out.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And now you're telling me that all that work was
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: for not because you don't like it, and the person
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: at the CSC is going, well, yeah, it was a
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: rules violation because the spirit of nil the whole point
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: here was that players could be compensated for the work
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that they have done for your university. And you're talking
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: about a seventeen year old freshman who doesn't even hasn't
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: even practiced with you yet, not an early row, not
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: even on campus. Why are you paying this person? We
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: are not going to clear those funds. And so you've got,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, you've got these two opposing forces. One
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that is quite literally a paper tiger in the College
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Sports Commission that is more in the right of what
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: this was all supposed to be. And then you've got
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the other very heavy, very powerful influence of especially big
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: ten SEC. But make no mistake, the Big twelve in
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the ACC also are questioning the authority of the College
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Sports Commission.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: And all those people are saying.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Why should I listen to you just because you were
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: handed authority by an NCAA that, by the way, screwed
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: this thing up in the first place. The reality of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: the situation is I am watching my university either be
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: massively successful because of the way we're doing it, or
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I'm watching my university losing ground to those massively successful universities,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and now you're telling me, I'm going to lose a
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: little bit more ground because I can't give this starting
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: quarterback what we promised him. The College Sports Commission will
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: last probably till the end of this year, and maybe
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: they'll try to rebrand and they'll rename, and they'll maybe retool.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: But we've got.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: If things keep going the way they're going, we've got
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: six and a half months of any kind of watch
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: doggery over nil deals. It's thinly veiled paid for play.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: It was always going to be that. It became that instantaneously.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It has continued to be that. And just because Nebraska
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: won a court case, or excuse me, the CSC won
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a court case against Nebraska, does not mean it's going
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to change. Because right now the big boys are saying
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: it might be time, it might be time to break away.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And as soon as USC says yes, Oregon says yes,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Ohio State says yes, Alabama says yes, Georgia says yes,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: everybody else just has to follow.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: There's no other option.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: The same way when the PAC twelve disbanded, we all
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: watched it we know what it looks like it's gonna
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: happen again with this CSC conflict. Thanks for the good news,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Ross Ellinger, I say that facetiously he's doing what he's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: supposed to do. It's good work. It's a great article.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: You should go read it. Sports dot Yahoo dot com
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: slash college Football.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I think you can argue Ross doing what he's supposed
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: to do. The CSC is doing what they're supposed to do.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure you can make that argument for the
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: other guys, Like I know that they feel like they're
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: doing what they're supposed to do, pushing back on boundaries
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and stuff that they don't feel as necessary. But it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: just too bad that we all can't agree that that
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: some kind of some kind of enforcement for NIL being endorsements,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: which is what name, image and likeness means. That that
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: that that is that we can't all agree that that's necessary.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And I know that the CSC for an extension of
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: the NCAA has had some I know that we all
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: feel like they've had some They've made some terrible decisions,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: but trying to enforce this, we should not be thinking
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: that's one of them.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, uh By the way.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Brett Yormark saw this and was like, wait,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: seventy five percent of that two hundred and fifty million
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: dollars is coming from the people that we're chasing. You
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: gotta find a way. You gotta find a way to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: close the gap. And the only way, the only real
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: reasonable way right now that you could close the gap
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: as a member institution of the Big twelve or of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the ACC. The only realistic way you could close the gap,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: especially with the CSC potentially throwing a stick in the spokes,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: is getting an invite into the Big ten or the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: SEC or whatever they become when they break away. That's
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the only realistic option right now. Yikes, all right, gotta
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: take a break. Thanks for indulging me. We'll talk about
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: that a little bit more at noon. Shan O'Connell show
• 32:22
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• 32:26
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• 32:33
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• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Alright, eight seven seventy three five three zero seven hundred,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: indulge me here for a second. Did you watch any
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: of the Netflix fights on Saturday Night, Ronda Rousey, Gina
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Carano headlining Francis Anganu, the former UFC heavyweight champion, the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: former PFL champion. He fought a guy named Felipe Lynz
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: who is actually a light heavyweight, and I thought, for sure,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Felipe who I know who? He fought for the PFL
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the same year that I won my championship for the PFL.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: He actually won the heavyweight championship in the PFL that year.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Then he went to the UFC and he became a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: light heavyweight. And he left the UFC on a four
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: fight win streak, which is very rare. And I thought, man,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: if he left the UFC on a big win streak,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: he must have been getting a lot of money from
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: MVP Promotions to fight Francis and Ghanu, the hardest hitting
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: man in the history of the sport. He must be
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: getting paid, like at least a million.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: We're watching.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I asked my wife, Hey, how much how much would
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: they have to offer me if you'd tell me like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: all right, you can go fight Francis and Ghanu? And
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: she was like, I don't know, at least a million
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: bucks I'm like, yeah, at least a million, probably two,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: because he's got the kind of power in his hands.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It'll change your life if you get if you take
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the wrong punch. And then you made some calls, right, hey,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I'll do it for a million. I'll do it for
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a mill. And they were like, I got the permission,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and they're.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Anyway there.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: They found, you know, a decent card to put together.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And Nick Diaz versus Mike Perry. Mike Perry's done a
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: great job for any of you MMA fans out there,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: carving out a nice career for himself post UFC. Most
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: guys they leave the UFC and they they either retire
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: shortly after that or they kind of go. They're put
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: out to past year in a smaller organization, a lesser organization.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And Mike Perry's done bare knuckle boxing and become their
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: biggest star. He's gotten himself a ton of big paydays.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: He's done really well for himself.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Anyone to fight the other night, very bloody, bloody fight.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: The other night.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: There was a a guy that he's the top prospect
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: in France that everyone kind of scratches his head. We
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: tried to get him in the PFL. He wouldn't sign
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: with us. The UFC tried to get him. He wouldn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: sign with the UFC, and he fought on this card
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and looked incredible on this card. But it was all
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: building towards this like main event that it was. Really
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it was one hundred percent, as we talked about last week,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: is built on nostalgia. Okay, it was built on how
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: great Ronda Rouse he once was, and was built on
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Gina Carano, her opponent being a massive pioneer in women's MMA.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: The first ever women's main event on a nationally televised
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: MMA show was Gina Corano versus Chris Cyborg, and Cyborg,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: by the way, has continued to fight.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: She's still active.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: She's in her forties now and she has never stopped
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: being a competitor.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Gina Carano stopped for seventeen years. She was an.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Actor in Star Wars, in the Mandalorian, she did a
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of Hollywood stuff. Ronda Rousey called her, said, hey,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I want this, I want to do this fight. She
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: just said, give me a year to get in shape
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and we can do it. A lot of the articles
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and everything, the interviews that she did, she acknowledged like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: She's like, it was hard for me to admit this,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: but I lost. I had to lose one hundred pounds
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: in order to get back into fighting weight. She had
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: been in a legal battle with the Disney Corporation. I mean,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: big emotional things. So anyway, they're They're on Netflix, ladies
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and gentlemen. This is the number one viewing platform in
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the world. This is a massive live sporting event, kind
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: of like when they did the Jake Paul Mike Tyson thing,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: and it's just build up, build up, build up. The
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: undercard fights were better than the main event in both cases,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and the main event, James, did you watch any of it?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Did you?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I did not.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: I was going to tune into some like I had
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: planned on it, but ended up ended up not uh
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: tuning in.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Netflix was like, I mean when
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you when you brought up Netflix, Yeah, it was the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: very first.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: It was the first thing. It was like, you couldn't
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: avoid it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: And apparently it's done a massive number, like they haven't
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: given the official number yet.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Apparently it's not a really big number.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And all these people in the MMA world are like, oh,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: it was this a legitimate contender with the UFC. Now
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: is this something that And the answer is no, because
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: there's no intention for MVP Promotions to be an actual
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: contender against the UFC. They don't have the same business model.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: But we're not going to get into the weeds on that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: It's not a circuit they're starting here.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: They had one show at one event, and maybe maybe
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: that's what this will turn into at some point, but
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: that's that's ridiculous to be asking that question, right And.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: By the way, if you like the.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Casual fan that watched, there's a lot of people that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: are not MMA people. It's one of the worst things
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: about when something gets more attention is an outlier attention wise.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: You know, it was one of the worst things about
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Connor McGregor becoming such a big deal and being like
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: front page on Sports Center and Front Page and Sports Illustrated,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: because what do they do when somebody when there's an
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: outlier in anything MMA, Gymnastics, Caitlin Clark. There was the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark tax, right where all of a sudden, people
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: who don't actually know anything about what they're watching have
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to form strong opinions about what they're watching. We had
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: that again on Saturday because it was a huge conversation point,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: it's Ronda rouses back, and then it was a seventeen
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: second fight. Gina Carano did exactly nothing. Now there's a
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: classic striker versus grappler matchup, right, Gina needed to punch
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and kick and keep it on the feet. Ronda is
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: a great grappler. Ronda wanted to take her down. Ronda
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: just ran, like, ran across the cage and tackled her.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: No takedown defense at all.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: There was just nothing from Gina and then Ronda advanced
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: position armbarder.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: And the problem I had with it was that it
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: was sport and spectacle. Especially in combat sports, they go
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: hand in hand, and.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: They're supposed to go hand in hand.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: But when we have like a super Bowl, which is
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: sport and spectacle, there's a deep meaning behind the actual
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: winner of the fight.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: The conversation is like, now you are a champion, This
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: now means something, And like the Olympics are sport and spectacle.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Some of the things that are a lot less serious
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: than that, right, like the Savannah bananas are sport and spectacle.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: This one people treated like, oh, Ronda Rousey is back,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and I was like, what are we.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Doing here, it's manufacturing aus what are we doing?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: This was somebody who hadn't fought in seventeen years, is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: forty three years old, and I think and I don't
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: begrudge her this at all. I think was very much
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: using this opportunity with Ronda Rowsey, with MVP promotions. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: think for Gina Carano, who, by the way, as soon
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: as she lost, had a massive smile on her face,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: hugged Ronda. That's not you're not a like, you're not
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: a serious competitor if you just got embarrassed that way
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: and you're smiling and hugging immediately now by all means
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: show sportsmanship after it sinks in, after the fact.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Whatever it was immediate it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Was like.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't I'm not here, I wasn't here to win.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, that one a lot faster than I thought, had
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: a good laugh, had a big smile. We found out
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: in the disclosed salaries, got paid a million bucks for it,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: seventeen years off, seventeen seconds of competition, threw no punches, landed,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: no punches through, no kicks landed, no kicks, got armbard
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: one point zero five million dollars.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Big smile on the face. Why not.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I have one hundred percent believe that for Gina Carrado,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: what this was about was getting back into shape, getting
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: back into where she felt good about herself, getting back
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: into where and I it sounds misogynistic, I don't mean
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: getting back to where her appearance makes her more screen
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: friendly and she can get back into the film stuff
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: that she was pretty successful in for a while. I
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: think this fight was a vehicle for all those things
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: for her, and so for that it served its purpose.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: And I'm happy for her that it did, because she's
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: forty three, and like, if somebody called me today and
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: was just like, hey, you want to like, low risk,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: low impact, million dollar fight, I'd probably be like, yeah, sure, like,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: but I don't know if I could be an unseerious
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: competitor through it. The thing that bothered me about the
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: whole deal was that there was no clear There was
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: no clear decision on what MVP promotions and what Netflix
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: wanted to do. As as soon as this was done, right,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: it was just like, Okay, now what's next? Are you
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: gonna do it again? Is this the only one you're
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: ever gonna do? Is Ronda ever gonna fight again? Is
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Gina ever gonna fight again? Is Francis ever gonna fight again?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: For you? It was exactly what Netflix paid for and
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: it was exactly what MVP Promotions wanted it to be,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: but the messaging was not present on the broadcast, like, guys,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: just so you know, this is like something.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: That you get to watch.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do this one and then maybe in never
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: another one and then even you know, well, what about
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: if we do it again in six months?
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: What about if we do this quarterly? What if we
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: have four of these per year?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows and yet and still it was treated like
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: this is the return of an all time great. Ronda
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Rousey is back, and Rona was just like, no, I'm
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: gonna go have another baby.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I'm done, and she's back for one fight. She's back
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: for seventeen seconds. Yeah, that's not that's not really a return.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: That's just I'm doing this one gig because you guys
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: paid me handsomely for it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: So look, my perception of the event is obviously very
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: deeply influenced by the fact that I am.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Invested with time and.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Blood, sweat and tears in the PFL trying to be
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: successful and this event, I'm jealous, this event got more
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: attention than any event that we've ever done. Not because
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the fighters were better. We had the same fighters, not
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: because the fights were better. Our fights are significantly better.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: These were squash matches that were designed to get the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Red card fighter a big win.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Netflix legitimate like that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: It just attaches itself to this in particular and legitimizes
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: it in a false way where it's just like, yeah, see,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: this was the best MMA event we've ever had. This
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: is probably going to be the most watched MMA event
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: that's ever happened.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: When Netflix releases the numbers, this.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Is probably going to be the best viewership that ANYMA
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: event has ever had. Right now, that number is nine
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: million viewers on like a big time UFC card, big
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: time UFC Championshi card, And maybe there'll be more than
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: nine million when they do the White House Card that's
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: coming up to summer.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Probably not, but maybe.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: So this one's probably gonna go down as that's the
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: most watched event in the history of a sport.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: That whether you like it or not, or.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: You like me talking about it or not, it's very
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: important to me. We've had some great athletes locally here.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: It's given opportunities to a lot of Utahns. We've had
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: great fights here in Utah. It is part of our
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: supporting landscape, although a small part of our sporting landscape.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And this is going to be in the pop culture
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: lexicon in the sports trivia. The most watched fight event
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: ever is a crap fight.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: It's like, would you say that it just from how
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: you described it again, I didn't tune in. From how
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: you described it almost sounds like it's like it's not
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: pro wrestling where it was completely fake, But it wasn't.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: It was probably closer to that than it was real MMA,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: at least the at least the main the main card.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It's a little unfair, like okay, So what it is
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: is it was deliberately unfair matchmaking, okay, to produce the
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: outcomes that the company wanted I see, which is again
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: that's like the UFC does it too, the PFL does
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: it too.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: On a lower levels.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: It's not like every match though, every match, every match
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: was This.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Was every match. This was every match except for the
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the Mike Perry Nick Diaz match. You could make an
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: argument that they were. You know, it's a win win
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: no matter who wins that one, because both of them
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: have big cult followings or whatever. But this was very
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: much designed to be what it ended up being, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: in that regard, it was massively successful for Netflix, and
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: it was massively successful for Jake Paul, for Nikisa Beaderi
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: and his business partner for m v P Promotions. That's
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: that's what their company is called. And if you're a
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: sports fan, right you're looking at you're just being well,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: this is It's kind of like, you know what the
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: equivalent is, James. It's not the WWE. That's too dismissive
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: of even the losing fighters. What it is though, It
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: was University of Utah versus Utah Tech.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, it was.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: It was the University of Utah FBS versus FCS. Yeah,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: it was the University of Utah versus Southern Utah. Now
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Southern Utah knows how to play football, right, it's when
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: BYU brings in Weaber state for the pay game. It
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: was exactly that, where we know what the outcome is
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: supposed to be. We know that they're both playing the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: same sport, they both have the same skill set, but
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: this person is ten years older and so they're probably
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: not going to win. Or this person is fifty pounds
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: light and they're in a heavyweight fight, and so they're
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: probably not gonna win. This person hasn't fought in seventeen
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: years and hasn't been training for seventeen years. This person
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: fought still a long time ago. SOT fought nine years ago,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: but has been at the state in the in the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: sphere of the sport and is still trained. Like so,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: that is the best analogy. I'm glad you asked a
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: question that forced me to have the analogy. But now imagine,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and maybe you'll understand my kind of angst over this.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Now imagine if you're trying to convince, just like the
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: casual fan, the casual non fan, like I like sports,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: We're gonna put rugby on Netflix. Okay, we're gonna put
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: college football on Netflix. What should our showcase event be?
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: What should be the thing that introduces this sport on
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: our platform. It's gonna be Alabama versus the Citadel.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Every college foot would be like, what are you doing? No,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: let's be serious about this.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Give us either great sport or give us great spectacle.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Better yet, give us both. Don't give us that. Don't
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: you want to showcase the University of Utah on Netflix?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: You want to show Morgan Scally's program on Netflix, the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: largest viewing platform, the most ubiquitous viewing viewing platform in
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: the world, you can accidentally fall into a million viewers.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Let's showcase Utah football.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, please, yes, thank you can we.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: But I'll do the broadcast for free.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Let's go, all right, just so you know it's gonna
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: be Utah Tech is the opponent.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: You're like, no, no, no, that's not the one. Well,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: that's not the matchup. By the way, I'm I'm insulted
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: on behalf of Trailway.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't mean any offense Trailblazer Nation.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, though, if that happened James.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: The reaction from the media, the reaction from the people
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: who know the sport and cover the sport would be
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: entirely appropriate.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Absolutely would just.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Be like, Eh, we didn't really learn anything about either
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: of these teams, So like, thanks for doing that. I
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: guess it's cool that you got a bunch of viewers,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: but it didn't move the sport forward. It didn't and
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: everybody in the world, in the MMA world is acting
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: like what happened on Saturday Night is a game changer.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: That's gonna threaten the UFC's dominance and is like, oh man,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: they're Dana White's shaking in his boots and.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Look to be fair.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Dana White waited until Francis and Ghana, who has a
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: typical he has a particular beef with. He waited until
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Francis and Gan who's fight was about to start, and
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: then Dana went on Instagram Live and announced the return
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: of Connor McGregor this summer to the UFC. So clearly
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: he was like, they're getting too much attention. Let me
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: steal a little attention back for the UFC with this announcement.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: He doesn't do that. If he's just dismissing MVP Promotions,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: just dismissing the Ronda Rousey card.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: He probably doesn't do it, based on what you just said.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: If it wasn't Francis and Ghanu.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Francis Ghanu like he when they've done that with us
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: in the PFL, when we have a good thing going,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: we have a good fight card one weekend, and they don't.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: They'll wait until our fight card, our main card starts,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and then they put out an announcement of like, oh hey,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: this huge fight's happening.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: The White House Fight's going on, and.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: We're just like, gosh, dang it, because of course, you know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: they get a ton of attention, so.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: It was look I watched, I watched the whole card,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: and it went the way I thought it was gonna go.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: And I was happy to see these people.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: We'll get big paydays in some cases because it's good
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: for fighters to have options. The thing that was insane
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: for me, and I don't even know if the right
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: thing to say is I was mad about it.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: But the thing that was truly I felt like I.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Was drinking crazy juice, was watching social media react and
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: being like Ronda Rousey's back now, baby, and the UFC's
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: shaken in their boots because this got so many views
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and so many numbers, because everyone's gonna no one's gonna
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: tune in the next time to watch Ronda Rowsy.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: She already told us she's not serious about it. She
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: took an opponent.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: It was not serious, Like, if you want the PFL
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: might try to co promote with MVP promotions because Chris
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Cyborg fights for us, I was.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Gonna say, if they can, and we've seen it now
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: multiple events, we've boxing events, and now this this MMA
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: event where they can get they get huge numbers on Netflix.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, it seems like that would be
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: if you're able to get if you're able to come
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: together with MVP and PFL, that might be a really
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: good thing for PFL.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly would be a good thing for MVP
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: two because what they what they do have is they
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: have a deal with Netflix. That's something we want. Yeah,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: what they don't have is a roster of fighters who
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: are actually serious about being MMA fighters for the next
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: three to five years. Francis and Gan who wants one
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: more fight? Ron A Rousey wants zero more fights. Gina
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Carona wasn't even serious about this fight. If we can
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: bring them the fighters and they can bring us Netflix,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: that's good for everybody. Right now, we're cooking with some
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: gas here. Now. That might be something that the UFC
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: actually has to pay a little bit more attention to.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Live view of Dana White when that happens, he's shaken,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: he's shaking.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: But the football equivalent that I just gave you, and
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: by the way, the main event would be like we're
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: gonna have the two thousand and eight Utah football team
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Sugar Bowl rematch for play. It's not even Alabama though,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: but it's that that team is going to play. The
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight Utah Sugar Bowl team is going
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: to play against the nineteen ninety nine Alabama team. Yeah,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and we're just like, why why are we watching that?
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Thank you for indulging me, my.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: B twenty minutes to talk about this weird fight card
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: that happened over the weekend.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Look, it was, it's good for the attention.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: What's what it's not though, it's not good for that
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: to be the example of what MMA on Netflix is
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: supposed to be.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that you can say it's good for
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: the like bringing awareness of the sport if you if
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: we're going to use that kind of term, but you
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: could probably also simultaneously say that it's it wasn't a
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: good showcase of the sport.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Both well stay true, right yeah, well stated yeah, yes,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I think Netflix is going to
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: look at this and be like, maybe we should do
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: more MMA because we got whatever it is, twenty million
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: views on this or thirty million views on this. I
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what the real number is.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Netflix is one of the few streaming platforms that you
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: actually can eventually find good numbers with. Disney Plus never
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: gives you their numbers. Amazon very rarely gives the big numbers.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I think we'll actually get a real number on what Netflix.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Remember the Mike Tyson Jake Paul fight got sixty million
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: concurrent views concurrent stream.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Which is insane. Give it.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: I know that I know that Mike Tyson's a huge name,
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: and that I know that there's so many people in
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: the nostalgic for the early nineties in the late eighties
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: when he was the baddest man alive, right, But it's
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: insane that that many people from that time or other
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: or other from that that age demographic or other ones
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: were like, Yeah, I'm gonna I want to watch a
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: sixty year old man try to walk around a walk
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: around a ring and maybe not get killed.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Like I. That just didn't appeal to me at all.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: There was this would be the last thing that we'll
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: take a break for the daily dump. There was one
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: feel good, very like feel good moment. I didn't get
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: the feel goods out of Ronda and Gina hugging and
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: crying together seventeen seconds after a seventeen second fight. I
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: was just like, stop, that was crap, And if you
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: actually wanted to win, you wouldn't be hugging and crying
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: right now. Francis Inghan who got paid one point five
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: million dollars for his fight, his opponent got paid one
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. They also handed out bonuses performance bonuses
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: for the best performance of the night, and it was
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: given to Francis for the knockout. He got a first
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: round knockout.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: He said, you.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Know what, my opponent. I underestimated my opponent. He actually
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: hit me hard a couple of times. He took a
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: lot more damage than I thought he was gonna take.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: So Francis gave his one hundred thousand dollars bonus to
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: the guy that he just beat, whose entire paycheck for
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: the night was one hundred thousand dollars.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: That's awesome, so he doubled his pay. That was kind
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: of a feel good moment. That was kind of cool.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Love to see that. Yeah, all right, we'll do the
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Daily Dump next.
• 57:32
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• 57:36
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  Speaker 2: Right Thursday, a guy leaves with a lead. Friday he's
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: still close to the lead. Saturday was the second. He
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: was the previous runner up that's now in the lead.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Whatever the leader board stays relatively consistent in a lot
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: of these PGA Championships, a lot of these PGA Majors.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: At this particular weekend, there was like when we talked
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: with Paul Pugmyer on Friday, Ry McElroy was nowhere near
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: the top of the field. He was dying, he was
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: bogey and everything.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And then I.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I turned on my television on Saturday. Actually I turned
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: it on in anticipation of the Netflix event, and I
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: was like, what the heck. Roy McElroy's back at the
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: He's in the lead right now. And then of course
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: it didn't end up working out that way for him.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they call it.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: They call Saturday a moving day on the PGA Toro
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: ce and that's because that's the day that you typically
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: see if the if you see anybody, you'll shoot up
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: the leaderboard, it's it's on Saturday typically, But Saturday of
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: the PGA Championship in ron A Mink was like moving
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: day on steroids. Like Justin Rose started out like he
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: I think he ended up I think he ended up
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: gaining getting to two wonder but at one point he
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: was like tied for the lead after starting the after
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: starting the day at plus three, and you talked about
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Rory McElroy. Ray shot up the leaderboard that day like
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: and he ends up winning the whole thing. Like Saturday
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: was insane for movement on the leaderboard, and it showed
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: you why a lot of golfers and a lot of
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: golf analysts like to call Saturday moving day.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Rory did have a fan yell at him when USA
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: after a shot and when.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: He had hit a terrible shot that he had he
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: just had to avoid the bunker. It nicked the edge
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: of the bunker and fell in, and he was he
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: was already frustrated.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that set him off the we should do more, like.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Not every event, all right, because I understand people want
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: golf to be unique and golf and tennis are kind
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: of their own thing. From a fan etiquette standpoint, we
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: need at least like four tournaments a year that have
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: kind of that waste management vibe where the crowd is
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: just unruly and wild. Golf athletes are the only ones
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: that you can't heckle at all.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: Especially if they're if they're on Team Europe in the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Ryder Cup and you chant USA in an event that's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: nothing near the Ryder Cup.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Other athletes, right, NBA athletes are supposed to perform even
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: when someone's like you stink Russell Westbrook.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: In the NFL.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: You could go to a Chiefs game, I mean, like,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I hate you, Patrick Mahomes and he still has to play.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: He could yell at you, but he probably won't because
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: he's used to hearing that. Right, you don't want to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: know all the kind of stuff you hear at fights.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, but not safe for radio golfers. You'd
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: just say, USA, maybe we don't know that. Maybe that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: guy just has patriotic touretts.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous we don't know.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: Is again another another thing that's the most golf thing ever,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: That that's the thing that sets a guy like Ry
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: McElroy off. The guy's won back to back Masters, he's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: won the career Grand Slam, and yet he can't handle
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: after he had a terrible shot that kind of took
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: him out of contention for the for the lead. I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: understandably you're upset about that. It's weird that chanting USA
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: is what is what exacerbates that for you.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: But that's golf.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I got bad news for Urban Meyer. Well, I don't
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: it's not bad news for him. I had bad news
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: about urban Meyer.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: He he lost his.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: His grievance, his case against the Jacksonville Jaguars for twenty
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: twenty one firing.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wrongful termination.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: He was.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: He asserted that they had fired him without cause. Oh right, okay,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: And if you fire somebody without cause, you pay. You
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: have to pay them the entirety of their contract. He
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: was owed thirty million dollars on the contract. But it
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: is because I hate you, it was. The cause was
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: because urban Meyer was guilty of contract detrimental to the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars, including kicking his own kicker, Josh.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: He's supposed to do the kicking, coach, not you, Josh.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Lambeau alleged that urban Meyer created a hostile work environment
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the team did nothing to stop it. He actually sued
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars over this. He then dismissed his claim, but
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: he has a case still pending against urban Meyer. So which,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: by the way, like that's kind of funny to me,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: because I suppose you're never supposed to kick.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: He didn't hurt the guy. You're never supposed to kick.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Anyone, but anyone who thinks you're gonna win a case
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: It would be a very bad precedent for a court
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: to set that football coaches who are mean almost by trade,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: at least sometimes even the nice ones are mean. Sometimes
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: if you create a precedent that that's a hostile work environment,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: every single student athlete, every single professional athlete, is going
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: to end up having a case to sue the our coach.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: You don't want to, you don't want to put that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: out there. Can you imagine?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, like if James, who is the program director
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: here and outside of the three hours that we're doing
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: the show where I get to be his boss, not
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: officially but we pretend, but like if James comes into
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: the office and he's in a bad mood and we've
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: done a bad show the day before, and he just
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep yelling at me, doing whatever,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: throwing stuff, making me, I don't know, run around the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: off like run up to the stairs and to the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: top of the building. Right, I could probably say that
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: it's a hostile work environment because it's not expected in
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: professional radio. However, it would be very typical conversation for
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: a football coach, Like the behavior of a of a
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: football coach is unhinged, in almost every practice. Yeah, at
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: least for a few seconds. You gotta and I and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I hope that courts do they do. You got to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: take an account what is reasonable for that particular context.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Right, For.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: A football coach, like you say, what's reasonable behavior for
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: them is obviously not reasonable behavior like you said, in
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: radio or in almost any other workplace. So the fact
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: that it's that it's unhinged, it should be weighed. It
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: should be weighed. Well, is it is it unhinged for
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: a football coach though?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, I know that makes it harder, but that's
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: really how it should be treated.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: And that's probably where he's gonna lose that case too,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: because coaches spitting, screaming, yelling, crying, freaking out, kicking over
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: the gatorade cooler, all that stuff is considered within the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: realm of normalcy. For a coach where he allegedly kicked
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: the guy while he was stretching, that's I've seen a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: lot of wild stuff from coaches not kicking somebody, not
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: kicking your kicker.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Especially NFL ranks. Yeah, like, that's that's wild behavior. And
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: I think you know, to give it another Utah Football
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: tie former or Utah football legendary coach. I think that
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: if a court were to look at the Rick Majeris days,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: they'd probably find now that's unhinged even for a basketball
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Feel like there's there's Rick Majeris like that.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: You definitely could have won a case against Rick Mgeris
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: for a hostile work environment. You definitely could have. But anyway,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Urban Meyer will not be paid thirty million dollars by
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: They fired him for cause because you know, conduct detrimental
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: to the team. He didn't fly back with the team
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: and then got caught with that lady theyt.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and all that stuff. All right. Another one, this one.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: We haven't talked to any NHL today.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: I totally understand when a team doesn't want to talk
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: to the media after a tough loss, even though I'm
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: a member of the media. I don't really hold it
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: against players or coaches there if they're kurt, if they're
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: short with the media. Now, if that's the only thing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: they ever give to the media, like a Bill Belichick,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: I think you're just being a you know what, and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: that's stupid. But if it's like an understandable scenario, you
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: just got knocked out of the playoffs. All right, I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: don't come into the locker room to talk to me.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Our season's over. I'll see it next week at the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: locker room clean out.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: How about that. I'd be fine even as a beat reporter.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Who's then, what's my story?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: My story is these players were so emotional, they were
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: so hurt the they refused to talk to the media.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: And there there's my five hundred words or whatever.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why the Las Vegas Golden Knights decided
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: not to make themselves available to the media after they
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: won their series against the Minnesota Well, they're still playing this.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: This is very bizarre to me. They're being fined one
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. John Tortorello's being fined one hundred thousand
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: dollars and a second round draft pick. Yeh, they lose
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: a draft pick for this because they only and this
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: the media is real sensitive. Three players did, like Mitch Marner,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: spoke to the media. They had three guys talk to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: the media, but they didn't open the dressing room and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Torts didn't talk to the media. So one hundred thousand
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: dollars fine and losing a second round draft pick again,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you want to talk You're talking about winning
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: a series, you're talking about moving on to the Western
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Conference Final, you're talking about what's next against the Colorado Avalanche,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: and hey, how you guys overcame some stuff, but you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: got to win against the Minnesota Wild.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: I understand media. We can be annoying.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they're conversations and the questions, they're repetitive, their droll.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a hill I would want
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: to die on, as John Tortorella or anyone in that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: locker room.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: It's very odd, especially because the reason why. There's a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: lot of people that may not realize. I saw a
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: lot of comments that were like, really, we've got you know,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: comparing it to the salary cap circumvention investigation the NBA
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: is doing with the Clippers and how we have no
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: resolution for that and that has no resolution. But something
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: like skipping media availability is a loss of a draft pick?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: Are you serious? Like totally different situations. I think it
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: speaks to maybe some ignorance on what is it actually
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: in the CBA about coaches and players have to make
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: themselves available to the media. It's in the CBA, there's
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: certain rules around it. Now you can be like, you
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: can have the opinion like what you said, ohc okay
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: with media is being all too sensitive. But the fact
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: is it's it's in the constitution of the league that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: you have to be there now. I have never heard
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: of a penalty as severe as losing a draft pick
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: for skipping out on that.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: That is and John Twitterrella, he's been coaching forever. He
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: had to know that that was at stake.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: It's wild that he decided to make that decision after
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: a win and knowingly put a draft pick at risk.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: And he's he's part of the problem actually, because towards
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: this is like he's got one hundred thousand dollars fine
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: this time. He's been finding twenty five thousand in the past,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: fifty thousand in the past for bad behavior, for conduct detrimental,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: so to speak.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: So the league is like, dude, you're feeling really good
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: about yourself.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: You got the job eight games before the end of
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: the regular season, and now you got them in the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Western Conference finals.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: You still have to do what we tell you to do.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: I do believe also that it should be negotiated into
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: these collective bargaining agreements that you can take kind of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: like you have timeouts. You can take media timeouts from
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: the media. You can just be like you have you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: have two of them, give them two of season, give
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: them for a season it's in the playoffs, or I'm
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: not talking to you. No, and you know you you
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: invoke your right of whatever. You know, it's my this
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: is statute five point seven. I'm not I don't want
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: to talk to you today, Oh coach, come on, Nope,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm opting out today.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Because especially in these leagues where you I mean, the NHL.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Communication policy is this is an eighty two game regular
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: season and then it's the playoffs, which, if you play
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: well enough, is another three months.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: Basically, right, you have to be a vail for half an.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Hour after every practice, free skate, and game.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: That's a lot. That's a lot of media. Yeah, the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: media gets plenty of these built in availabilities. It's true the.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Game ones are probably seen as more valuable because it's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: right after a game or right before a game. But
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: still it's not as if when guys skip that you
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: had no chance to talk to about talk to this
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: guy about that particular game, right, and like you won't
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: have a chance to talk to him about it, like
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: you said, before the next practice, before or after the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: next practice. So it really isn't the end of the world.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: But the league, like the reason why these punishments are
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: being handed out because it's literally written in Hey, you
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: have to do you have to make yourself available as
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: the media these certain times around games, around practice is
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: whatever the draft pick is like the harshest losing a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: draft picks like the harshest penalty I've ever heard of before,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: though I'm not sure I'm on board for that kind
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: of a punishment, But that's the that's the reason why
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: you know, when you say the NBA is still hasn't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: levied punishment on Steve Balmer, but the NHL is doing
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: this like well because what because they're two different things, right,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: This is not the it's not the same thing we're
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: talking about here, two different leagues to be at the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: very least there.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: The Preakness Stakes went off this weekend could not have
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: been quieter because you know, there's no no momentum to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: build on with your Kentucky Kentucky Derby Winter not even
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: contending in the race. But it was won by a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: horse named Napoleon Solo I was very disappointed to learn
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: that that's not a name combining Napoleon Dynamite and Hans Solo.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: It's actually Napoleon Solo is a character and the Man
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: from Uncle.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Did you know that? Did not know that? I have
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: not seen the Man from Uncle. I haven't watched it myself.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Apparently Henry Cavill, who's I mean awesome is plays in
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: the in the movie, the more recent version of the movie.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's his character Napoleon Solo, So who knew?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, too bad. It's not a Napoleon Dynamite Star Wars
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: fan that owns the horse.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: If it was a Napoleon Dynamite Star Wars mashup, that
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: immediately becomes my first favorite horse. I've never really had
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: literally a horse in the race. If that were the case,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: I would, yeah, you'd you'd put some money down, like
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: and they just feed the horse tater tots all the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: time or something. To really extend the reference.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Say things.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Have the jockeys say things like you've never you've never
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: seen a horse do this in less than twelve parsecs.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: That'd be so good. Just everyone's confused, like what is
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: he talking about? What's a parsec? Well, actually there's a
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: debate on whether it's a measure of time or distance.
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  Speaker 3: I want this.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: We just talked about a Star Wars Napoleon dynam Mashup.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: I want this to happen desperately. So ESPN's got a
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: list out of the top free agents remaining in the
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: NFL right now. Most of them are guys that are
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit older, a little bit longer in the
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: tooth right and the list also has the best fits
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: for each player where it makes most sense for them
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: to end up playing this season. One of these players
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: is the perennial All Pro and Pro bowler Bobby Wagner,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: the former Utah State Aggie who is going to be
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: a first ballot Hall of Famer whenever his eligibility comes up.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: He is probably the best linebacker that has ever come
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  Speaker 2: out of any school in our state to play in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. He's gonna have a case when it's all
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: said and done, Depending on how many more years he
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: gets and whether he's on winning teams, there could be
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: a case he's the best college player ever to come
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: out of the state. With all respect to the Merlin
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Olsens and Larry Wilson's of the world. Eric Weddell of
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: course too. Bobby Wagner's fit in the ESPN article is Jacksonville.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: If he goes to Jacksonville. If Bobby Wagner goes to Jacksonville,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: you know who he would be playing next to?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, Devin Lloyd and Bobby Wagner in the same linebacker unit.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: That's like a dream for anyone who cares about these
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: two schools at least a little bit. So do the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Napoleon solo thing with it?
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: Is it Lloyd Wagner? Or is it because because Lloyd
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: could be is a first name too, right?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: Or is it is it? Is it?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: Is it Bobby Lloyd?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: What is their law firm called?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: There?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: They're the Wagner Lloyd Law firm, Wagner Lloyd. That would
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: be sweet to see Bobby Wagner and Devin Lloyd playing
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: against their playing alongside one other.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine if one day, you know, Bobby Wagner
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: is still playing, of course you get a Bobby Wagner,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd, Fred Warner.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: That's too much.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: That's all three schools in the in the state that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: most people are interested in, having a lot of linebacker
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: current linebacker great in the in an NFL locker room,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: same one together, that'd be I think I think Utah
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: would explode.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: By the way.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Phuka Nakua showed up at the Ron and Rousey Gina
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Carono fight over the weekend, was at the Intuit Dome
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: in l a uh and they introduced him. They they
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: inviewed him on camera and they called him who kua knakaua.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: Who knock. It was awesome.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: The lady's just like, who's the oh, Jared Verse. It's
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: like la rams here, Jared Verse, pooa Knakawa.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: And you could see he just kind of like smile.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: He's like okay, probably the first time in a while
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: anyone's mispronounced his name because he's made his name so famous.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: But I thought everyone would enjoy that he's knocking him
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: down a peg a little bit. He's had some things
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: going on. He doesn't need to be He doesn't need
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: to be like.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: You to cast him up all the time.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's good to know that you're not the biggest
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: fish in every pond and in a random Netflix MMA show,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: you're just a football guy that they don't know.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: I mentioned valley plumbing.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Heating and air is important right now because you're heating
• 1:19:54
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• 1:19:58
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  Speaker 2: and a season like this one, because one day it's
• 1:20:07
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• 1:20:09
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• 1:20:11
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• 1:20:14
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• 1:20:17
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• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: You don't have to live that way.
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• 1:20:29
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  Speaker 3: They've got plenty of examples of that.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: They'll pull out the paperwork at Advanced Window Products and
• 1:20:37
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• 1:20:43
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  Speaker 2: off ten windows or more in addition to making your
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: home more energy efficient, because let's be honest, it's not
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: sexy to worry only about the power bill. What they do, though,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: is they beautify the home. They increase the resale value
• 1:21:10
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• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: James Peterson, he made his house look a lot better.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: We got to step it up. I got to make
• 1:21:21
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• 1:21:26
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• 1:21:39
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• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: problem with that window, they will replace it, no questions asked.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: And it's all handled here in Salt Lake City, so
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get the run around on the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: phone like, no, that was the installer did it wrong,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: but our manufacturing process was clean. No, it never goes
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  Speaker 2: to on the Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
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  Speaker 5: A f M.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, James, I, I'm fighting myself one hundred
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  Speaker 2: egregious error.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Brain farts.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: As many people have correctly pointed out on the text line,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd signed an extent. He signed a deal with
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the Panthers, not the Jaguars. He's no longer the Jaguars.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: So that entire RNT I just went on was wrong
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: and stupid, and I apologize and you're.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: I know he's with the Panthers. He just you know
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: how it goes. Panthers and Jaguars. Oh, I hate when
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: I do that.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: You cannot imagine how badly I hate when I leave
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: out a simple but you know, massively important factoid on
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: something like that and my brain just files away. Yeah,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: of course jaguars. Yes, that makes sense. Instead of being like, no,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: you have this knowledge already. He's no longer with the Jaguars.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to Bobby Wager. I'm sorry to Devin Lloyd.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to all of you who had to listen
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: to that crap for four or five minutes of radio.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: We'll do better. We'll do better this next fifteen or
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: so at least, I hope.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: So A lot of speculation, as we have learned that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz will have the number two you pick
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: in the upcoming NBA draft, and the projections have it
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: either being aj Debontsa or more likely Darren Peterson, who,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: of course spent his college years at the University of Kansas.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say it's college years, his college's college days
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: at the University of Kansas. We wanted to do as
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: much as we could to get information on what he
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: was like at Kansas, what he project well with the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz. And so we lean on someone who knows
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: all about it, the voice of the Kansas Jayhawks, Brian Hands,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: kind enough to give us a few minutes here on
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: the Shot O'Connell show.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: Brian, welcome, how are you?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: Hey? You doing great? Sean talking to you from standing
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: on James D. Smith Court here in college basketball's greatest venue,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: just one hundred feet away from Nate Smith's original rules.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: So I thought i'd set the scene for you on
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: what I'm looking at as we talk about Darren Peterson tonight.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: I actually love that that's where you're at right now.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: And now is that I mean?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Is that lost on U at any point where you're
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: like you're walking on in hallowed halls whenever you're at work.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: Basically, man, it's a blessing to show up every day,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: and I try not to ever take it for granted.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: A lot of times I'll come and get my lunch
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: burrito or whatever and sit in Section sixteen and just
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: look at all the retired jerseys and the rafters and
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: look at the national championship banners and remind you that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: whether you're having a Final four top season or not,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: we get to show up and go to work here
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: at a place where basketball is truly historic and celebrated
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: in the highest of regards. And you know the history
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: that's come through this place from the father of basketball
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: James Nasmith, to the father of basketball coaching fog Allen,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: who coached Dean Smith, who went off to North Carolina,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: who was a mentor to Adolph Rupp, who went to Kentucky.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: You know, it all kind of branches out from Kansas.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: And I don't mean to say that in the Bragg
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: and dos is kind of way. I just think it
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: might be interesting for some of the folks in Salt
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: Lake City to hear about that, because you're well aware
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: of the Greg Gos, the Tags, and Jock Vond's and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: U Dokaz, the Bookies of the world, the Feema Kayrooks
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: of the world. But that Kansas history goes all the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: way back to eighteen ninety eight and may Smith coming
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: here right after he invented the game in eighteen ninety
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: one in Springfield, Massachusetts.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Well, it is really neat that there's that level of
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: history just steeped into a Kansas Jayhawks basketball program, and
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: there's a chance that you know, that vein that extends
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: out probably to every state in the Union, will have
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: a strong extension here to Salt Lake City. After this
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: upcoming NBA Draft, there's a lot of projections out there
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: that believe that Darren Peterson will be wearing a Utah
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Jazz uniform as the number two pick if everything stays
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: chalk and kind of how it is. And a question
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: we've been asking for weeks now is what's he going
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: to be like in the pros? And now that well,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: the Jazz are in a position where they could probably
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: get him or at least players like him, what's he
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: going to be like potentially in this particular pro system?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: So I think the best way to answer those questions
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: is to kind of go back to what he was
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: at Kansas. And we watched this because obviously Kansas is
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: in the same conference as Utah's. Byu the teams we
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: paid most attention to in the Big twelve, and Darren
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: was when available, when ready, he was an incredible basketball player.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: And then there was all the conversation about, well, how
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: reliable is that availability? Bill self, seemingly during the season
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: was frustrated. Darren was frustrated, The fan base I know
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: was frustrated. It was probably frustrating for you sometimes. Is
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: that all washed away now, Brian? Is it all figured
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: out with the CREA teen stuff? Is that all a
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: non concern as he turns the page and heads into
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: the NBA.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: I think for us at Kansas, obviously it's in the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: rear view mirror. We wish the season would have included
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: a Final four run. We wish he would have been
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: the first team All American that he was hyped to be.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: But it was a really usual and unfortunate set of
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: circumstances that put his availability in question so often. But
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: I would tell you in terms of the young man
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: and being around him on a daily basis and watching
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: everything he was doing, in terms of getting his body
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: right and ready to play, and being a positive teammate
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: even on the days when he couldn't be out there
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: with his teammates. I mean, he was a ten out
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: of ten for me, and I think a lot of
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: times when you have a guy that comes in with
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: the hype of Darren Peterson, Bill self saying this is
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: the most talented player we've ever had at Kansas, in
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: our twenty three years of his tenure here, and that
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: includes joe El Embiid and Andrew Wiggins, who are number
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: three at number one respectively in that very talented draft
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: over ten years ago. Now that includes other number one
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: overall picks from their respective classes in terms of the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: recruiting rankings, he said with a bullet, Darren Peterson's the
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: best you had Bill Simmons before the season started saying,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: you know, this is Kobe Bryant we're looking at here,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: and he was just absolutely exalted with with more pressure
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 5: and projections and hype, you know, put on him than
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: any player I've had a chance to cover in my
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: decade as the voice of the Jayhawks, and sadly, over
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: a sustained you know, thirty five games sample size, we
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: weren't able to see that because of the hamstring tweak
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: and the flare ups that happened in a couple of
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: different spots. And then you know, there were games like
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: the BYU game that you I'm sure we're glued to
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: the TV watching where he dominated in the first half
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: and there was no question who the most talented player
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: on the floor was over the first twenty minutes. But
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, he feels that tightness early
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: in the second and we barely see him after halftime,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: and so disappointing. Right, And if that's truly now been
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: solved with you know what they discovered with the extra
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: creat team he'd taken during the preseason workouts, and perhaps
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: that was the trigger for this whole thing, then yeah,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: you're getting a guy who has the ceiling that is
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: took the moon in terms of his trajectory, and a
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: guy that I think his hands down the highest ceiling
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: player in this draft. But whether it's football, basketball, baseball,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: whatever the oak cliche, your best of the ability is availability.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: You know, we need to see it obviously hold up
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: for an eighty two game schedule in the NBA, and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: I hope that that's the case for him, I know,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: from a work ethic standpoint and a want to standpoint,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: as Roy Williams used to say, the want to factor,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: you know, it was never a matter of him not
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: wanting to be out there. It was never a matter
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: of him wanting to load manage, as some speculated on
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: x and other social platforms. This is a guy who
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: was beloved by his teammates, who busted his tail every day,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: both in the team practice sessions that he was healthy
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: for and on his own with his own individual trainer
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: to be the best version of himself he could possibly be.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: And on top of that, for a superstar with that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: kind of hype, he was as down to earth and
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: even keeled as any you would expect to see. I mean,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: this is a guy that on the first day of
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: practice he's dapping up every manager, all the way down
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: to the last freshman the three filling the gatorade jug.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: He's just that kind of guy. He's not somebody that
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: walks in and thinks he's God's gift to basketball and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: things need to be handed to him. Good work, ethic,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: terrific kid, unfortunate set of circumstances, and I think honestly
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: those around him wanted to be really careful with it
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: because you didn't want to see him really get hurt
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: and then be done for the season and have a
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: larger injury cloud hanging over him. So it was a
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: situation where I think that they were just extra precautious
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: and it was head scratching and frustrating all involved because
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: they couldn't get their handle on what the trigger was.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: It was causing him to have this continual tightness and
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: the ability or the inability to play with a free
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: mind that it wasn't going to lock up on him.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: And then it became a national story after the Oklahoma
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: State game and Stillwater, where he was tearing it up
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: more than twenty points already, and then hits the three
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: turns to build self asked to come out, and then
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: you have talking heads nationally that haven't spent more than
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: ten minutes watching our program all year, all of a
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: sudden having some kind of insider opinion. It was really
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: largely speculation based, and I think the narrative kind of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: got out of control at that point. So sorry, that's
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: a long monologue there, But you can tell I like
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: his kid a lot, and I think a lot of
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: his future, and I think a lot of what was
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: reported mid season and late season was largely speculation and
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: honestly not truly fair to him at all.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm glad you just went on a long run
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: because that I think Jazz fans want to hear exactly
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: everything that you just said if they believe it's likely
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: he ended up up in Salt Lake City. You want
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: that version of this guy not what we saw what
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: we heard those talking kids, and look, I'll be honest,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: I would only see those little snippets sometimes just be like,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: what's this kid's deal? Why is he asking out of
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: a football or of not a football, of a basketball game?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: What that's not That's not what a number one player
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: in the country is supposed to be doing. But of
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: course there's always context to it. I guess my follow
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: up question to that is how did that context get
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: lost when that those conversations were happening. You knew they
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: were happening Kansas, the Bill self probably knew they were happening,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: and we didn't hear the stories this he WAPs up
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: every manager when he comes to practice. He's he cleans
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: up the locker room. He's this guy. He's not who
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: you think he is. He's not load managing. It felt
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: like maybe the damage control could have been a little
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: bit better, or did I just miss it.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: To be clear, I'm not sure I saw him clean
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: up the locker room, but everything else was true there no.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: I think the oddest answer to that question is he
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: was not featured in front of the media a ton
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: in the first two months of the year, and quite frankly,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: it was maybe twice that he actually was available for
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: a press conference. And part of that is he's a
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: quieter kid. It's now starting to come out of his
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: shell a little bit more, and when you see him
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: in interview settings, I think he's really thoughtful and has
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: a lot of interesting things to say. But when he
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: first got here, some of that media, you know, big stage,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: bright lights and bulbs and flashing camera stuff. You know,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: it was still, despite all of his hype and heraldedness,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: a little bit new, and they didn't throw him out
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: there every night to meet with the press. And especially
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: once the injury situation or the hamstring tightness situation started
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: to flare up, he was really unavailable to the media.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: And could that have been handled differently perhaps, and maybe
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: you would have had more, I guess, transparency into what
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: he was like and how much he was still around
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: and how much he was beloved. But I think if
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: folks really want to go back and look at it,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: look at some of the media comments of his teammates
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: while he was out, and they were all super supportive
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: and man, we can't wait to get him back. And
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: he's a big part of who we are and our
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: ultimate ceiling, and the cential is still tied to him.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: It was never like we can't win without him, but
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: it was, hey, we're trying to keep this thing afloat
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: until he gets back because we love Daron and we
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: want him to be a part of this. There was
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: never any kind of divide, which sometimes you see in
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: major conference college basketball or football when there's one ballet hooted,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: hyped guy who's exalted on a pedestal above the others.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: His teammates genuinely liked him. It was a difficult thing
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: for everybody because it wasn't just a hamstring tightness. There
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: was a game in which he was like actually very
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: physically sick and was a late scratch right before Arizona,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: and I think that added to the storyline of what's
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: going on here. And there was a rolled ankle that
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: he played through at Colorado that then kept him out
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: for about ten days afterwards. That added to it as well.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: But it was a legitimately pretty significantly rolled ankle that
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: I was impressed he could play through when it happened.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: So the point is, I think that if you ask
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: his teammates and the folks around the program, everybody would
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: have nothing but supportive comments to make, and you didn't
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: hear as many of the anecdotes I gave you about
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: the positive teammates that's dappened up the manager simply because
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: he wasn't out there in front of the media nearly
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: as much until we got to the NCAA tournament, when
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: you have an open locker room and suddenly everybody has
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: access and those questions start to be asked and there's
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: more narratives and perspectives being shared, and that's when I
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: think folks started to figure out a little bit more
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: of what he was made of and what his mindset
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: is on things. But I've got nothing but great things
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: to say about him. Obviously, we'll always wonder what may
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: have been had he had the blessing of full health
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: all season and been able to not have the disruptions
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: and interruptions to rhythm and all that that occurred with
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: several start him up and then sit him down type
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: chapters of this season. Because honestly, as I stand underneath
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: these Hall of Fame jerseys at Allen Field outs and
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: I look up at the names from the self era
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: that have won titles here, and at one point one
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: fourteen straight Big Twelve championships. Here, he's got the highest
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: ceiling of any of these guys, and quite frankly, Sean,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: he has the highest ceiling of any name I'm looking
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: at here in the north end of Allen Field House
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: since Paul Pierce in nineteen ninety seven, who went on
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: to be a ten time NBA All Star, NBA Finals MVP,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: and first ballot Hall of Famer. That's the type of
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: ceiling and potential he has. And as Bill self said,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: his words not mine, you know this is the highest
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: ceiling most talented recruit he's had in twenty three years.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: And as you well know self, a first ballot Hall
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: of Famer himself, has recruited incredible talent here. Darren has
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: the ceiling as high as any of them.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: We're talking with the voice of the Kansas Jayhawks basketball team,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: Darren Bryan, and he's our guest here on the Sean
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show. There there's a level of insecurity here in
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, Utah when it comes to the NBA,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: and it becomes when it comes to the the Jazz
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Place in like the Coolness Ladder. Do players actually want
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: to be here if they want to be here? Do
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: they want to stay here? There's always questions about that.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: To be fair, there was a massive amount of conversation
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: prior to last year's draft about how a guy who
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: ended up being drafted by the Jazz, Ace Bailey, did
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: not want to be in Salt Lake City.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: And it was all nonsense.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: It was just completely manufactured tom foolery that made no
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: sense when you really boiled it down, because he came in,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: he worked hard, he ended up having a great season
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: for the Jazz.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: He's an important part of their future.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: With Darren Peterson, with aj Deboncea as well, because people
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: know he likes the state of Utah, with Cam Boozer,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: who's kind of in this conversation. Also his dad works
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: for the organization. You know, he spent time in his
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: childhood here in Salt Lake City. There's like a comfort,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: there's a there's a there's a sort of like relaxation
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: blanket of like, oh, well, we know these guys and
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: they know us, and because of that, it's going to
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: be a better fit in Salt Lake City. And Darren
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Peterson is the outlier in those top three because as
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: far as we know, he doesn't have any connection to
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: this market. He doesn't have any reason to already love
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Utah or whatever. How important is place? Is location? Do
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: you think for somebody like Darren Peterson to be successful
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: because fit matters, cultural fit matters, and like I said,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: there's always a question about whether or not Utah checks
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: the right boxes for some of these young men in
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: the NBA. In your mind, how would he fit in
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City? How would Salt Lake City fit
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: for him?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: Man, that's a great question. I hadn't thought about that before,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: and yet that makes perfect sense why folks would wonder
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: about that. I see Darren as a guy who's lived
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: and played in Ohio, California, Kansas. He's not one of
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: these slashy guys that needs to be in the largest
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: major metropolitan area with LA or New York type pro
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: future based on endorsement, opportunity whatever. Now, I do think
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: his his marketing team and representation want to make sure that,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: you know, he has the chance to, you know, be
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: showcased in every possible way. But in NBA basketball nowadays,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, it doesn't matter what market play in. Look
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: at Oklahoma City and some of the national opportunities those
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: guys get just based on winning. Now, that's what Darren
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: cares the most about is winning. And I don't see
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: him as the type of guy that you know, needs
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: to be out and live in the Hollywood lifestyle or
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: you know, out out of New York City in terms
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: of you know, the social scene either, because this kid's
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: a grinder who's in the gym constantly, who's working on
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: his craft, and I don't see him as somebody that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: needs to have the chance to take his talents to
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: South Beach, so to speak. So I think this is
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: a guy that's gonna go wherever his name is called,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: try to make that place a championship caliber organization, and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: if he feels supported there, hopefully be a jazz player
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: for life or whoever drafts him for life, because hit
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, what drives him is I
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: think individual legacy, and the biggest part of that is
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: team's success. I mean, he is built on being the
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: best player he can possibly be and carving out a
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: name for himself and a legacy that does live up
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: to the hype that guys like Bill Simmons and others
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: have put on him. And he knows the ticket to
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: that is as much winning on the floor as he
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: can possibly do, and ring chasing. He didn't get to
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: chase one at Kansas, unfortunately, and we all thought that
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: was a foregone conclusion at the start of the year.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: But that's going to be ultimately what motivates and drives
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: him as much as anything in his pro career, and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: so so long as he feels supportive in that endeavor,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: I think that's what's more important than some kind of
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: major market or glitz and glam setting, because I just
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: don't see that in his personality type again, softer spoken,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: a little more introverted. He's not some guy that needs
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: to be in the biggest city with the flashiest stage
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: or whatever. He just needs to be in a great organization.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: And it certainly seems like Utah offers.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: That probably be an unfair question, but you know, you're
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: the top five pick, You're a day one starter.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: How long until he is in the NBA? You know,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: an All star caliber player in your mind?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: Man, As I get said to answer that question, I'm
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: thinking back to when the Jazz drafted you Doka as
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: a booky and it wasn't your show, Sean, but one
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: of the shows I think on the same station had
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: me on and I was honest and I said, you know,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: I think he could be a good backup center for you,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: role player, really athletic shop blocker, run the floor, you know,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: maybe get you five points and six boards a game.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: And the host was so underwhelmed with my response, and
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: I was just being honest. And obviously you know your
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: Doka didn't wind up staying there very long, but many
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: times guys drafted at the end of the first round don't.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: But as you said, this is a program or franchise
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: altering type talent at the top. And so I'm going
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: to try to give you the honest answer again, and
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: that is that if we see the version of Darren
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: that is not limited in any way, and I don't
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: mean ankle injuries or stomach flew, but you know, the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: hamstring tightness, the stuff that didn't allow him to explode
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: and take off and fully turn it up all the way.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, Bill self said on several occasions the explosiveness
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: he showed in his final year of high school or
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: prep ball versus last season at Kansas. He was not
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: at one hundred percent and you didn't see that like
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: full all out and it wasn't because he didn't want
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: to bring it. He just was limited. But if there's
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: no limitation there, remember that posterizing dunk he had in
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: the BYU game when he dominated that first half against
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 5: De Bonsa. I mean, that's a guy that could be
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: All Star caliber from day one. If you want a prediction,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: I'll say he's in his first NBA All Star Game
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: in his second season, and then with the blessing of
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: good health and no major injuries, it's a perennial thing
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: for him. Why not the first season? Well, we got
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: to hedge our bets a little bit, but could he
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: be that? Absolutely? And I think he's what I said
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: earlier about Paul Pierce. You know that it was a
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: ten time NBA All Star. I think you're looking at
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: a franchise altering talent here that hopefully puts whoever gets
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: him on a completely different trajectory of winning. But in
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: terms of the individual year in year out, absolute star.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: And there are things defensively that we saw him scratch
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: the tip of the iceberg of but again you didn't
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: see it full on because he wasn't fully healthy throughout.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: There are ways he can change the game on both
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: ends of the floor. That. I think college basketball fans
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: only got to see a glimpse of this year, and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: once it's a more regular thing sustained over a larger
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: sample size. I think this might be one of those
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: drafts where the team picking number two it feels like,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: holy smokes, we can't go wrong no matter who falls
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: to us, and weren't we so fortunate it worked out
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: the way it did.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we're having you on for obvious reason,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: but it's far from a foregone conclusion that he's even
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: going to be there or two for the Utah Jazz
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: to pick. Do you think that, you know, Washington should
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: be having the serious conversation about him at one instead
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: of an AJ debonsa, given what they've got on their roster,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: you know, and how well he could coexist with like
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: a Trey Young. I'm not sure, but I wanted your
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: thoughts on that. I mean, it is Washington, d C
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: calling you for the same exact conversations.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: This is my second Salt Lake City interview. I haven't
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: had any from DC, but I will tell you this,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: if Darren had been healthy all year, I don't think
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: it matters what the rest of your roster construct looks
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: like he's number one with a bullet and that's no
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: disrespect to ajd Bomcer, who's phenomenal, and I think it's
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: going to be a regular All Star as well. Obviously
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: I'm biased, but when bil self says some of the
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: things he said to me, both on air and off
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: about what he thinks Darren's potential is that really resonates.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: And I think that you know, he had a full season,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: and the fact that he didn't means that there's a question,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: right And the fact that devon'sa was much more predictable
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: in terms of his playing time and contributions and did
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: some heroic things that were just jaw dropping, means that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: he's the much safer choice. It would appear just based
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: on what we've witnessed in the last six months, but
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: this would be an interesting conversation to revisit two years
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: from now, five years from now, ten years from now,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: because I genuinely believe that darren feeling is not just
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: higher than AJ's, but a couple of floors higher. And
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: that's no disrespect to AJ at all. That's just significant
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: Darren Peterson belief on this, and who knows, maybe I'll
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: look foolish in two or five years when we look
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: back on it. But that's the type of player I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: think he can be that alpha killer instinct that takes
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: over a game at game point, you know, that has
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: that lift everybody else around him typeability, and AJ certainly
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: has that too, But to me, I just think Darren
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: is a slight notch above and the history of head
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: to heads only the they've only been a handful of them,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: but they've all gone the way at Peterson as well.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: And you know, we wish we could have seen a
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: full forty minutes of him go back and forth when
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: they've played here at all in field House back in January.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: But that first half, Honestly, if you wanted a twenty
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: minute slide show or highlight reel of what his optimal
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: potential looks like, it was that first half because he
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: was turned up, he was opposite AJ, this place was jumping,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: and he was absolutely incredible. And that rimrock and dunk
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: where he posterized one of the cougars, that's about as
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: loud as I've heard the field House and one of
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: the most electrifying moments in the seventy plus year history
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: of this old barn and I hope that's whether it's
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: the jazz or whoever gets to have him, you get
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: used to those types of plays, because man, this kid
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: is worth the price of admission and then some. And
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: he's the guy if you're listening with a son or daughter.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 5: I'd run out there and buy his jersey tomorrow because,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: like I said, instant star. And I think he's genuinely
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: a good person too. I just think that a lot
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 5: of his was not told this year because he didn't
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: have a lot of in front of the camera media stuff.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: But he's a hard working, driven guy that's I think
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: will come out of a shell more and more. But
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: the talent will be evident from moment one that he
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: steps inside your organization, and I can't wait to see
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: where that proves to be.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to hear that, whether he ends up
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: being a jazz man or not. And I think it's
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: actually pretty neat that that seems to be the consensus
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: on all the guys near the top of this year's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: NBA draft, Right. You hear really good things about Boozer,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: You hear really good things about aj, You hear good
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: things about Caleb Wilson.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: It's it's nice. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I know it doesn't matter to a lot of sports fans.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: I know here in Salt Lake City it still matters
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: more here than maybe in some other places. But like
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: it's nice to be able to root for the person
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: and not just a player totally.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that Darren is a classic example of
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: just because he's not super outgoing and doesn't tell you
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  Speaker 5: in six paragraphs exactly what he thinks, doesn't mean he's
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: not exactly the type of guy you want to have
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: represents you. I think there are more gregarious, outgoing personalities
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: in this draft class. But to me, what I saw
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: was how did he treat other people? And how much
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: do his teammates like him, love him, respect him, even
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: when you know it would be easy to be resentful
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: or jealous of the attention he was getting. And they
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: saw how hard he worked both during team practice and
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: on his own on the side, and that's what earns
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: you the respect. And so he's a guy that to
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: me checks all the boxes in that regard. But to
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: your point, as a college basketball guy, this class is incredible.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean you'll have people taking seventh or
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: eighth that could be franchise altering type players and potential
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: perennial All Star type players within this same class, and
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: had a chance to see Caleb up close. He may
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: wind up in Chicago with the fourth pick. We played
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: out at Chapel Hill this year, and ironically that was
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: the first sign of anything wrong with Darren physically. But
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: I was blown away Caleb Wilson. I thought he was incredible.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: So anybody in the top six or seven picks, man,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: you're going to be blessed with an incredible talent. But
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 5: I would love to pick number two. And I'm not
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: just saying that because I'm on with you right now,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: but think about it. All the pressure is off because
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: both those two picks look to be incredible, legacy defining
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: type selections, and you know the first choice is going
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: to be made for you. And it's kind of like,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that one of them's going to wind
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: up to be Greg Odin. But how great was the
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: Seattle Supersonic's positioning when they got Kevin Durant. If the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: organization in front of them took the five Star center,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: you were going to still get an unbelievable generational talent.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: And that's exactly what they got and I think Utah
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: is in a very similar spot this year.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we hope for. Brian. Appreciate your time.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe if it all works out the way I think
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: it's going to work out, maybe we'll have you out
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: here watching your old Kansas Jayhawk play at the Delta
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  Speaker 2: Center in a Jazz uniform sooner than later.
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  Speaker 5: So man, I would love that absolutely, And shout out
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: to Steph M kai Luke in the meantime, who's been
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 5: out there recently, one of our dear friends. So yeah,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: I hope that's the case. And thanks for the platform
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: to come on and talk about DP today, Sean, I
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: really appreciate it.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: The voice of Kansas Jayhawks basketball, Brian Handy kind enough
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: to jump on today. And look, he's not an unbiased observer.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: This is you know, he's the voice of the Jayhawks.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: But he doesn't have to say all those things about
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: the person. Yeah, the player.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: You could be like, oh man, kid could jump out
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: of the gym's got a great shot, incredible handles, and
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: you can leave out if it's not true.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: You just do leave out.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, if they're a turd, you don't say it,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: but you don't go to the opposite direction either.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: That's encouraging, right, because we.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Don't We don't know Darren Peterson and we still don't,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: but people who do saying good things about him and
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: expressing a belief that he would be a good fit
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City, that he would be a consummate
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: professional in the basketball world, that if he is to
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: pick at number two, there's absolutely no question he's the
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: right guy to have there. It's nice, yeah, I would
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: say too, especially with how badly it went from a
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: health standpoint.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: Voice of the Jayhawks or not.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: He did not have to say that these were what
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: he said, which was basically, these were kind of one off,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: crazy freak injuries that happened to him. Some of them
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: not freak injuries. You roll an ankle, you missed ten,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: that happens, yeah, but like you pull a hamstring or whatever.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: But the cramping. He did not have to say that
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: he's not concerned about those things. If anything, you'd expect
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: a guy who's as close to the program like that,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: the guy's gone to say that is concerning to me,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: if if it really is something to be from his perspective,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: to be really concerned about so I think that that
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: should be that should help you as fans feel a
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: lot more optimistic about if they do stay at number
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: two and Darren Peterson's the pick.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: Should feel a lot better about that.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: Even if I know there's so many people you included
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: OC that really loved the idea of ag deponza, you
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: should feel really good about Darren Peterson, especially after that interview.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Good on James Peterson for getting Brian Handy to come
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: on the show today. All right, we'll take a quick
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: one here. I will give you an update on the
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby saga as he battles with the NCAA to
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: try and make sure he's eligible for this year's football
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: season despite his suspension.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that next.
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  Speaker 2: M Well, Brendan Soresby, you and your lawyers are in
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: for a heck of a fight. We're giving away some
• 1:54:07
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  Speaker 2: So Brendan Soarsby, this is the latest in masaga of
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: the former Cincinnati quarterback, who of course has transferred to
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech and is currently as we speak, he is
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: in an impatient addiction facility recovering from or getting treatment
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: for in therapy involved with a gambling addiction that was
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: revealed through investigations, and he admitted to thousands of bets
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: on gambling apps.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: As we've reported every step of this process.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: He did retain Counts Sold Jeffrey Kessler and Scott Thompson
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: to be part of his legal team. There's now actual
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: cases filed against the n C Double A and an
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: appeal to in Texas Civil Court Texas Civil Practice and
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: Remedies Code for the nc DOUBLEA to be precluded from
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: enforcing it's gambling bylaws against mister Soresby. Okay, so he's
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: hired lawyers to build a case that this is not
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: him being a rule breaker, that he did not willingly
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: deliberately in some what might be describing obnoxiously skirting the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: rules of gambling on sports, on college sports, on sports
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: involving his own teams, not games that he participated in
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: so far as we know.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: But they are building a case around.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: Mental health, which is where the slope gets so exceedingly
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: slippery for the NCAA to try and defend itself against
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: these cases, and of course by extension and force the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: suspension of Brendan Soorsby, the projected starter at Texas Tech, which,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: by the way, it's important to state Texas Tech is
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: going to be just fine if Brendan Soresby doesn't end
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: up starting for them.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: Will Hammond is a heck of a quarterback.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: Now, even if it takes four weeks to get him back,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: and you've put yourself in a bit behind the eight
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: ball with a couple of non conference games, you maybe
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: you lose one you shouldn't have lost, but that they're
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: going to be fine even without Sorsby. This fight is
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: about so Been maintaining his eligibility. Is access to the
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: reported five million dollars of nil funds that are coming
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: his way from Texas Tech, et cetera. But his defense
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: is based around this is a mental health condition. He's
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: clinically diagnosed as a gambling addict. This is a mental
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: health problem, not a gambling problem, not a rule breaking problem,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: not a problem involving his disrespect of the legal and
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: moral obligations he has as a quarterback in college football
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: to not gamble on college sports. This defense team is
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: setting this thing up, and look their case, quite frankly,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: even without that is compelling from a common sense standpoint.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: So you're telling you're telling me that the NCAA wants
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: to profit off of gambling. They want to partner with
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: these gambling companies. In the game that Brendan Soresby plays in,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be running ads for the very apps that
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: he's not allowed to have on his phone, and you
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: just you want him and his classmates and his teammates
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: to be the outliers, but you want everybody else to
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: spend their money on these apps. Right, It's hypocritical of
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: these sporting organizations to partner with the very things that
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: they then say you can't use. It's not a lot
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: different than if oh I don't know there was like
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: a legalized anabolic steroid in our country, and you're just like,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: we'll go to commercial and here's Gatorade super Testosterone X
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: and they're advertising that. But then they're just like, by
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: the way, so and so got suspended from the game
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: that we just came back to for having Gatorade super
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: Testosterone X in his blood stream. Right, if the NBA
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: were advertising cocaine and then a player had cocaine in
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: their system and got suspended for it, we'd be like,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: that's kind of hypocritical, because it is. However, these leagues
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: are allowed to be hypocritical and the players are not.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: And now the NCAA is in this very very tenuous,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: insane corner where if they let Brendan Soorsby player, if
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: he wins a case and somebody else the civil court
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: determines that Brendan Soresby is allowed to play, you have
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: now deemed gambling violations unenforceable. You have set precedent as
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: long as you have a mental health diagnosis, as long
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: as you have a gambling addiction diagnosis. And by the way,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: why is it only gambling addiction. Well, my client, my
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: client is addicted to marijuana, so he can't be suspended
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: for marijuana. My client is addicted to alcohol, so he
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: can't be suspended from participation in an NCAA game because
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: he got a DUI. It's a mental health condition. He
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: was just medicating himself with these dates, with these almost
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: said dating apps, with these gambling apps.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: He's medicating with dating apps. That's a new one.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I that's where you lose me, oh see, because
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: I'm very sensitive, as sensitive as you ought to be,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: if not more so to people with addiction, with mental
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: with mental health conditions, but as sensitive I as sensitive
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: as I am to that you still have a responsibility
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: to make sure you're following rules, to make sure, especially
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: what we talked about with this type with Tiger Woods two,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: especially in that case when it's talking about public safety too.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 4: In your own safety, gambling is not that, but you're
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: talking about the safety and integrity of the game here.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: Like that, whether he has a clinically.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 4: Diagnosed addiction to gambling or not, like he doesn't ebsolve
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: him from from getting the penalties of breaking the rules.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: It's also when someone has a mental health condition, it
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you just allow them to do whatever
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: the compulsion of that condition doesn't mean that's what's best
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: for them, right. Eating disorders are mental health problems. The
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: way that you help someone overcome an eating disorder is
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: by treating them, giving them therapy, helping improve their relationship
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: with food. It's not like, well, yeah, this person is
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: allowed to starve themselves, but this person is encouraged to
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: vomit after every meal because they have an eating disorder.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: We've diagnosed it.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: Like he's allowed to gamble, or has been allowed to
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: gamble until now because it was a mental health problem,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: so you can't blame him for it. And said, well, guys,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: that's not how we treat substance abuse of any other kind.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: That's not how you treat alcoholism alcohol related violations.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: Brendan Sorosby's defense team identified this as a loophole they
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: could try to force open very early in the process.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: And you know what, I don't mean to be dismissive
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: of gambling addiction. If that's something that you've dealt with.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: I've never encountered it. I have no anecdotal experience with it.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe Brendan Soresby truly truly is gambling addicted and has nothing.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean he's not responsible for any of
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: the things that happened or any of the consequences of
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: gambling addiction. If he built up a bunch of debt, right,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: if he broke a bunch of financial rules effectively because
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: of his gambling addiction. Do you just get to go
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: to the bank and say, well, I had a gambling addiction,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: so you can't collect on this credit card that I
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: charged a bunch of stuff to. Sorry, it was a
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: mental health problem. The consequences still exist, and it didn't
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: start out as.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: An addiction either.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: You placed bets on sports when you weren't supposed to
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: and actually, in his case, it was when he was
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: under age and it was illegal for him to be
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: betting in the first place.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the word.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: You use consequence, right, Oh see, And there's we can't
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: use mental health conditions as serious as they are addiction,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 4: whatever it might be.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: It's not a free pass.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we can't use that does not eliminate consequences of
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: the actions that you that you have made, you know,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: because of the addiction or whatever else. There are still
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 4: negative consequences, There are positive consequences, There are negative consequences.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: There ones we're talking about here, like that's the lesson
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: they that you still need to learn. And it feels
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: like not to make this a whole overarching talk about
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: how society is today, but it does feel like it's
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: pervasive in our world today, way too pervasive that hey, like, oh,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: I'm naming this thing that that everyone has to be
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: sensitive about, so that means I should not be held
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: accountable at.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: All, Right, and you're a hunt. We need to stop it.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: People, and not all people, maybe not even most people,
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: but it's undeniable that some people use the hot button
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: words the issues of mental health to get themselves out
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: of a jam sometimes. And it's it's an abuse of
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: a system, and it's a terrible thing to do, and
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: it's crying wolf, and it is devaluing and and and
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: it's really a disservice to people who suffer from real mental.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: Health, ones who are trying, who are accepting consequences, accepting accountability,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: trying to be better.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: It really is a disservice.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you were using the word consequences because you
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: have to think about the other consequence here, right, The
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: consequence if the court somehow wins, if the case is
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: somehow settled in the fact that, all right, we're gonna
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: let Brendan's sores be play while we figure this out.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: The consequence if you let that happen is that you've
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: made the rules unenforceable. We've already seen what this looks
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: like with other stuff. We've already seen what this looks
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: like in transfer, We've already seen what this looks like.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: You cannot set precedents. The lawyers of the world are
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: just waiting. They're sharks, and that little bit of blood
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: that comes out that's precedent, and then they just attack
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: it and they're like, Aha, if you let brush out
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: for that president blood, if you let brendan sores be play,
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: And does it matter to me that it's Texas Tech.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: Honestly no.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: If he was still a Cincinnati quarterback, I don't think
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati is gonna win the conference. I don't think Cincinnati
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: is a threat to Utah or BYU. Texas Tech certainly is.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: But if he was at Arizona State, if he was
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: at Arizona, if he was at Oklahoma State, if he
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: was at UCF, and he was like, yeah, I gambled
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: on a bunch.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: Of stuff and I got caught for it.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: First of all, you know how many thousands of athletes
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: are betting on stuff and not getting caught because they
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: just do it in a more intelligent way.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not bothered by them. Brennan Soresby, you have.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately become the poster boy for this, and you cannot
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: weasel your way out of the predicament that you put
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: yourself in by claiming it's a mental health case. He
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: wrote this statement, It's going to be detrimental to my
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: mental health if you don't let me practice with my team.
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  Speaker 3: Stop. You gambled.
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  Speaker 2: You knew you weren't supposed to be gambling, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: it did legitimately become an addiction for you, did legitimately
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  Speaker 2: become like a serious problem for your life.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like it did. Sounds like he spent a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the money. He's made.
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  Speaker 4: Consequences, and I hope he gets it. I hope he
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  Speaker 4: gets the help he needs any and becomes a better
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  Speaker 4: person for it.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, I also think that the right
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  Speaker 2: thing for him. Everyone talks about the NFL supplemental draft.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I think the right thing for Brendan
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  Speaker 2: Soreesby to do is when he is not deemed eligible
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  Speaker 2: this year. Don't go in the supplemental draft. Don't wait
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  Speaker 2: until next year. You know why, because you'll be a
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  Speaker 2: first round draft pick and you'll get a big fat
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  Speaker 2: signing bonus in the supplemental draft.
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  Speaker 3: You don't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks that you're gonna lose your five million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: That's a consequence. You don't get your Texas Tech out
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  Speaker 2: of nil money. That's a consequence. That's terrible. This is
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: the hardest lesson that a twenty something year old is
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: gonna have to learn. But it's not like your life
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: is over play in the UFL for the second half
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  Speaker 2: of their season. You've been deemed ineligible to play college football.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Go sign for some UNFL team, right, put some film
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  Speaker 2: on tape, and then you'll get invited to the scouting combine.
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  Speaker 3: You'll get invited to all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Just spend your entire year working your behind off throwing.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Bosa was drafted number two overall without playing his
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  Speaker 2: final year at Ohio State. Basically, you're gonna get drafted.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry that you have to wait longer than you wanted
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: to make the bag. Brendan Soresby, You shouldn't have gambled
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  Speaker 2: on sports.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, if you are experiencing an extreme
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: mental health problem, addiction is what we're talking about, is
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: what he's claiming here. Taking a year off is probably
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  Speaker 4: going to be good for you as a person too.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: Like you said, maybe he plays UFL if he goes
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: that route, so he's not a whole year off, but
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  Speaker 4: Lake taking a significant amount of time off is probably
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: gonna be good for your mentals too.
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  Speaker 2: Mate, My guys, so yeah, I love that advice. All right,
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this. I hope you're listening to the
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  Speaker 2: The CSE, the College Sports Commission, is managing the paperwork
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  Speaker 2: right now on roughly how many millions of nil deals
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  Speaker 2: the number they've either approved or are being asked to
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  Speaker 2: approve since the beginning of January twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: What's the total number reported in the Rostellener.
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  Speaker 2: Article on nil deals that the cs is handling and
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  Speaker 2: trying to adjudicate. It's a big, fat number and bonus
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  Speaker 2: is only for the big ten and the sec cauz
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  Speaker 3: What's up fellas? Uh, not a whole lot.
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  Speaker 7: Busy weekend, so a lot to get to And yes,
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  Speaker 7: I did listen to the whole show, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so you okay, good, there's about five minutes
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Devin Loyd plays four Carolina another big Cats, not
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  Speaker 7: the ess anymore, Jaguars Panthers, you know, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's an understandable.
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  Speaker 3: It's an understandable. You know how irritating when you get
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  Speaker 3: it wrong. Oh, it's the worst.
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  Speaker 7: But also you can be excused for like not being
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  Speaker 7: entirely checked in football wise until August September. If you
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  Speaker 7: got the rosters figured out by then, you're you're.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I will. I'll give myself that
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  Speaker 2: that leeway. It's a it's a big number. Hopefully you're listening,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll just this is not the question, so I'll
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  Speaker 2: put I'll put this out there. I want to pick
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  Speaker 2: your brain on it before I turn you over to
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  Speaker 2: the drive. Seventy five percent of the NIL money being
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: processed by the College Sports Commission is for Big ten
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  Speaker 2: and SEC schools.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy five percent total. It's the gap. The gap is
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 3: so wide that the only way to leap the gap
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: is to get invited to those places. Yeah, that's becoming
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: the very clear reality. The new PAC twelve made a
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: big announcement this weekend.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we're going to get thirteen million dollars
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: per year per school. That's so great, That is wonderful
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: until you see ninety million, seventy five million, eighty two
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: million going to the big big boys.
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  Speaker 7: And there's a reason that some of these schools are
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 7: declining that conference money right as far as the equity
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 7: deals and going in favor of their own equity deals
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 7: because they're not sure what conference necessarily they're going to
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 7: be in or they want to be in in five
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  Speaker 7: ten years.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a.
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  Speaker 7: I think a pretty smart push to handle it in
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 7: house and try to find the avenue you're going to
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 7: hopefully be in the future. Because as we've learned over
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 7: the last couple of years, and listen, this is not new.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 7: The conference chaos. We saw it with the Big East
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 7: Basketball ten fifteen years ago, we saw with the Whack
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 7: What twenty thirty years ago, Like, conferences are continuously changing
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 7: and evolving. But the last two years, three years, it's
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 7: reached a point where it's very clear that everything's accumulating
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 7: at the top and you want to be there.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Tony. I want you to
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: answer first. It's an unfair question.
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  Speaker 2: How much longer does the NC double A as an
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: authority exist?
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  Speaker 3: How much longer did the years ago there?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it's funny you call him in a
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 6: well authority figure at this point, but I.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: Know what you mean, because like, no, their day is
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: gonna be numbered for sure. I mean, I was at
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: this luncheon. Gosh, how many months ago was it?
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 3: It was two months ago? Yeah, two months ago.
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  Speaker 6: Tony Pettiti was there, big time commissioner. It's a smart guy,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 6: manh And they know how to build business and they
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 6: know how to keep expanding it and they know how
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  Speaker 6: to And it was great listening to him talk.
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  Speaker 3: Because the pedal is down, and his whole thing was,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: this is the new landscape and.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 6: With everything we've ever done and everything he's ever done,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 6: that they are going to be the very best at
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 6: it and understanding all the elements that truly flex, all
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 6: the muscles that make you the best of what you do.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 6: And then when you start to see the gap like
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 6: you're seeing it, and there's some of the advantages to
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 6: the Big ten anyway, but how it's operated is at
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 6: optimal level, and so now the money is going to
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 6: be so heavy that the control is now going to
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 6: be moved to places like that at some point. Sure,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 6: and maybe the NCAAA oversees it, but the Bill ten
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 6: has a lot to say that what's going on.
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  Speaker 7: It may still be called the NCAA, but it's gonna
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 7: look a whole lot different.
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  Speaker 3: It's a licensing fee.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: You're the powers that be are saying, wink wink, We're
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: still called National Collegiate Athletic Association, But what we really
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: are is we are a professional athletics organization some combination
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: of SEC and Big ten and hopefully UTAH and by
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: you get invited to that party in some capacity, and
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: if they don't, then they're left in the dust like
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: everyone everyone else's. It's it's gonna be it's crazy, because
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  Speaker 2: I mean this report from Sam Dellinger, who does a
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: good job, stresses that the College Sports Commission, which was
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: slapped together and told you get to decide what ANIL
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: deals go through Well, these universities are like, you haven't
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: approved half of the money that we have secured for
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: our student athletes. We're waiting and they're like, well, we
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: might not approve these and they're just like okay, so
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: you're going to say no, and I'm going to say
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: bleep you and I'm going to give the kid the
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: money anyway, and we will just get wrapped up in
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: court for the next five years because I promised this
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: eighteen year old kid and his grandma and his dad
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: and his mom and his uncle and his high school
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: coach that he's a millionaire for coming to Ohio State,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: or he's a millionaire for playing for the University of Utah.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: And you're not going to make me out to be
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: a liar because you don't like that the money came
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: from a car dealer ship to us and then to
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: the kid instead of from us to the car dealership
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: and then to the kid. Right, they're just gonna say
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: we're not paying attention to you anymore, like we all
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: did this to our parents at one point where they
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: were like you can't do that. We're like, I'm gonna well,
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: and we've already done this with the NC double A
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: at one point and they got laughed out of court.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: So now are we just going to repeat this process
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: where you're fighting similar battles that the NC double A
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: got with those rulings, but now you're doing it against
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: a conference or against a institution on their own. Like,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: it's hard to know where the policing is gonna come
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: from and where the responsibility lies.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 7: But it it it leaves a lot of questions. Oh see,
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 7: I think conferences, mainly the big two, are going to
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 7: have some sort of entity and it probably will be
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 7: the NC DOUBLEA to like take the blame, take the
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 7: hit for it. And it's just gonna look a whole
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 7: lot different than it has in the last twenty five years.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 7: But I don't know how many how much teeth there
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 7: are there as far as the enforcement goes.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: That's where the that's where the CSC was asked to
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: be the teeth. And then their authority has already worn
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: thin on the real powers that be in less than
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: twelve months.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 7: They I mean, they do hold eligibility now, right like
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 7: that that's what they can decide on. But then now
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 7: we're putting the consequences on the eighteen year olds, right
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 7: like Brandon sorosby situation. His is a little unique because
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 7: he's gambling. But where was the guardrails beyond that before
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 7: that right to get to that point?
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: They could have been put in place, but instead the
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: NC DOUBLEA was fighting for U to try to keep
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: every single dime, and so instead of having a realistic
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: system when it was time to start sharing. Now the
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: other side is trying to keep every single dime, and
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: that's why it's a huge mess for all of us.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: But trying to keep every single dime and also maybe
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: wager it on some Hoosiers games while you're wearing a
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: Hoosier's uniform. Like of course, that one's an extreme example.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: If you're wearing Indiana red and white, maybe don't hit
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: that parlay. But that's you know, that's not my place.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: The Drive with Porter Larson and Tony Parks will go
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