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Contact King Jays convo + Gavin Williams joins FT talking no-no bid · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Hot corner time. The Toronto Blue Jays are having a
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Speaker 1: banger year. They've been great, They have been surprisingly great.
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Speaker 1: The offense has taken a significant turn. We've seen the
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Speaker 1: names on paper for several years and this year it's
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Speaker 1: all coming together for them, Trevor. One of the big
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Speaker 1: reasons for that is the drastic turn in their contact rate.
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Speaker 1: So let's look at the strikeout numbers for the Blue Jays,
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Speaker 1: because they stand out a ton Blue Jays today with
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Speaker 1: this tweet, the Jays are averaging six point five eight
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Speaker 1: strikeouts per game, the next best team six point nine
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Speaker 1: to oh they said, that's frankly ridiculous. Dave Popkins actually
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Speaker 1: might be a hitting wizard talking about their hitting coach.
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Speaker 1: That might not seem like a large number, but that
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Speaker 1: is a very massive difference six point five eight to
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Speaker 1: six point nine to zero when you have this many
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Speaker 1: baseball games. Right, we're over one hundred games into the season.
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Speaker 1: I think one ten, maybe even a little bit more
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Speaker 1: than that one fifteen. So anyway, your thoughts on how
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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays are turn things around? Six five eight,
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Speaker 1: And just to give everyone a little more context, the
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Royals are next and they are often contact
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Speaker 1: Kings in that category six point nine ohks per game.
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Speaker 1: Then the padres at seven point oh two, and then
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Speaker 1: there's another big drop off to Saint Louis and Houston
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Speaker 1: both at seven point seven to seven strikeouts per game.
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Speaker 1: What are you seeing with Toronto and how annoying is
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Speaker 1: it for pitchers to face them right now?
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Speaker 2: Well, it seems like this is a very conscious effort
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Speaker 2: to not strike out as much, especially because they had
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Speaker 2: last year no power and that was a major issue.
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Speaker 2: That's why they went on and senttender like they wanted
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Speaker 2: to bolster that power side. You just didn't know, you know,
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Speaker 2: Boba Sheet has been on or off, you know, up
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Speaker 2: to this point in his career in terms of on
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Speaker 2: the power side. And you can't just only rely on
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Speaker 2: Vladdie for all of your power. So if you can't
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Speaker 2: rely on power driving a lot of your production, you
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Speaker 2: got to do all the little things and you got
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Speaker 2: to make sure that at least we're not giving away
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Speaker 2: at bats and at least we are putting the ball
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Speaker 2: in play and letting athleticism take over because the game
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Speaker 2: is also we all the rule changes have shifted towards
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Speaker 2: really putting pressure on teams defense defensively needing to be
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Speaker 2: able to make plays that they're maybe not positioned as
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Speaker 2: well for so leaning into that makes a lot of
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Speaker 2: sense your team. If you're a team that doesn't strike
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Speaker 2: out a lot, like the number two team, for example,
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Speaker 2: Kansas City on this list at six point nine, Like
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Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of power either, right, and
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Speaker 2: they they don't score a lot at the moment, but
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Speaker 2: they don't just get dominated and just struck out by
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Speaker 2: these really good pitchers that we see everywhere. Strikeouts are
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Speaker 2: the way here in baseball. Everyone wants to get strikeout.
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Speaker 2: So if you can just frustrate strikeout pitchers top to bottom,
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Speaker 2: if a guy goes into an outing thinking this is
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Speaker 2: gonna suck, and I even if I throw zeros, they're
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Speaker 2: gonna make me work for it, and this isn't gonna
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna have any of these nine pitch you know,
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Speaker 2: immaculate innings. Probably I'm gonna have to be making my
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Speaker 2: good pitches and be okay, and I'm not getting swim
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Speaker 2: and misses and not letting you know, outing or batters
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Speaker 2: get to ten pitch out at bats, but they're doing that,
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Speaker 2: and they're doing it regularly. They're doing it one through nine,
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Speaker 2: and I think that has put them in a really
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Speaker 2: good position to wear great pitching down and be a
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Speaker 2: little bit of daunting, even if they're still not just
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Speaker 2: hitting the cover off the ball over the fence all
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Speaker 2: the time. That combined with you know, guys like George
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Speaker 2: Springer having the year he's having and an increase of
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Speaker 2: the power at the same time, has really translated them
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Speaker 2: leading that that division. Like there's no ifs, ends or
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Speaker 2: buts about it.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to take this to the next step
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Speaker 1: because for Blue Jays fans, they're looking forward playoffs. If
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Speaker 1: this team keeps this up, they're going to be playing
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Speaker 1: some October baseball. They haven't gone as far as they
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Speaker 1: wanted to go, even when they had, you know, some
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Speaker 1: better times a few years ago, and then even going
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Speaker 1: back ten years, right, like, how does this team get
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Speaker 1: past the American League, which in my mind is still
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Speaker 1: down like it was last year compared to the National League.
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Speaker 1: It's my opinion again, I've gotten knocked forward recently, but
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Speaker 1: last year that opinion worked out pretty well for me.
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Speaker 1: I thought there were about five or six teams that
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Speaker 1: could beat the Yankees. So this year for the Blue Jays,
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Speaker 1: how do they get to the World Series? Do you
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Speaker 1: think that this style will play well in October? There's
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Speaker 1: been a lot written about this, Trevor over the last
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Speaker 1: five to ten years.
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Speaker 3: I love contact.
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Speaker 1: I want contact to win in October, but you still
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Speaker 1: need some serious slug because the pitching gets tightened up.
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Speaker 1: It's the best pitching and you're facing even less on
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Speaker 1: a staff. Right, you're going to face basically the top
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Speaker 1: three starters in the top four relievers ish on each team.
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Speaker 3: So how does that look in October?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that this approach, the non strikeout approach,
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Speaker 2: works better than the other thing than if you're strikeout heavy,
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Speaker 2: but you're have big boppers. I think those guys get
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Speaker 2: abused by great pitchers. Running to a tear scooble or
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Speaker 2: something in the first round is not going to be
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Speaker 2: fun for anybody. But if you can go up there
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Speaker 2: and get the two extra pitches per per inning, and
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Speaker 2: so he only can throw five or you know, five
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Speaker 2: and a third as opposed to eight, right, you're gonna
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Speaker 2: get the best guys. So if you're able to put
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Speaker 2: the ball, bat on the ball more often, you're putting
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Speaker 2: yourself in a better position. Now you need the big swings,
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Speaker 2: you need the guys to come up clutch, you need
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Speaker 2: to get the big hit right. But if you can
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Speaker 2: grind that out. It's highly charged atmosphere. You're using a
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Speaker 2: lot of energy as a pitcher, and if you can
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Speaker 2: fight against that and the guy can't depend on his
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Speaker 2: ability to get a strikeout the way he did during
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Speaker 2: the regular season, you're putting himself in a good position
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Speaker 2: to grind guys down. As someone who pitched extensively to
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Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen Kansas City Royals who did not have
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Speaker 2: a lot of slug and nobody struck out. And it
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Speaker 2: was so frustrating because that was my one thing that
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Speaker 2: I did well. Like we saw it in the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: they just wore teams down. They were not a fun
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Speaker 2: team to pitch against. And they kept running into nasty
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Speaker 2: guy after a nasty guy and just fought and fought
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Speaker 2: and fought, and their pitching was good enough, their bullpen
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Speaker 2: was good enough to keep him close and ended up
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Speaker 2: coming up the top. And that's how you do it.
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Speaker 2: You have to approach it in that way and then
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Speaker 2: have a couple of guys, the Vladdies, the George springers
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Speaker 2: the Boba Sheets like, have a couple of big games
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Speaker 2: here and there, and that be the difference. That is
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Speaker 2: probably what it's going to look like if to make
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Speaker 2: a long run.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys have holes in their swing. Power hitters often
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Speaker 1: have more holes in their swing, right.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, Well, I mean the harder you swing the like,
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Speaker 2: the more right you have to be on how it's
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Speaker 2: moving and where it is. Like you can't if you
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Speaker 2: drag your bat through the zone. If you're able to
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Speaker 2: slow and various swing speeds like Wan Soto does that
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Speaker 2: very well. That's why he's so good at making contact.
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Speaker 2: It's just more frustrating than vice versa, and making adjustments
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Speaker 2: in your swing is the way that you are going
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Speaker 2: to hit against these guys. Very few guys are just
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Speaker 2: going forcing fastball and a slide of them moves the
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Speaker 2: same way every time, even relievers. Now you reallys have
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Speaker 2: four pitches, so you have to be able to work
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Speaker 2: AB's and get these guys tired and less confident in
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Speaker 2: their ability to get you to swing amiss. That's a
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Speaker 2: big deal, especially for bullpens that are pretty much all
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Speaker 2: built around the swing, and it's.
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Speaker 1: Hard to string together rally, so That's why for me
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Speaker 1: it's super fun to watch Luisa rise in the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: A Stephen Kwan in the playoffs to counter things right,
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Speaker 1: even against you know, the number one starters right at
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Speaker 1: schoobl Like, it's still really hard for Terrek Schooble to
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Speaker 1: strike out Stephen Kuan, And if Kuwan can make a
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Speaker 1: little contact and get on base, suddenly things change. He's
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Speaker 1: not just bulldozing the entire lineup. On the other end
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Speaker 1: of that, I mean, Aaron Judge is a complete all
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Speaker 1: round player, but man, they found a hole.
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Speaker 3: They exploited it. Then he started losing confidence.
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Speaker 1: Looking at Aaron Judge last year in the playoffs, that's
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Speaker 1: the best player, top two player him and Otani in
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Speaker 1: our sport. And Aaron Judge was was terrible really for
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Speaker 1: most of the postseason. Kind of found it a little
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Speaker 1: bit towards the end, then had the big drop. But
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Speaker 1: it can happen to anyone. AJ I'm on my phone
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Speaker 1: right now in Arena Club and I'm looking at the
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Speaker 1: Emerald Slab packs and I see in the grail a
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Speaker 1: Bobby wit Junior twenty twenty Bowman Chrome Prospect Auto Gold
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Speaker 1: Refractor card.
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Speaker 3: Give me that, Give me your phone. I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna get.
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Speaker 1: You to well, you gotta buy it to me.
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Speaker 2: I don't have it.
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Speaker 3: You got it.
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Speaker 2: You get a slab pack. No, I don't have that,
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Speaker 2: and give me your slab pack.
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Speaker 4: That card's worth you buy slab pack, Scott, so I
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Speaker 4: can get the Bobby Wit Junior Gold Refractor twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: Bowman Chrome AUTI.
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Speaker 2: Because that sounds awesome and it's worth a lot.
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Speaker 3: It's worth a lot. He's a stud, he's not going down.
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Speaker 3: Get a grill. Get a grill. I want a gril, Scott,
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Speaker 3: give me the holy grill.
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Speaker 2: You do it.
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Speaker 1: in Arena Club or if you want to get it
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Speaker 1: code foul.
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Speaker 3: Here we go.
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Speaker 1: We've got Guardians Starter Gavin Williams joining us right now,
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Speaker 1: coming off a big week, a huge outing, carrying a
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Speaker 1: no hitter into the ninth against the Mets. Gavin great
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Speaker 1: to have you on, Scottie Brown here and Trevor May.
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Speaker 1: How's the week going for you?
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Speaker 3: Oh? The week's going good.
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Speaker 4: I mean it started off by getting a one one
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Speaker 4: card for me for myself from a fan, a Mets
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Speaker 4: fan actually just traded a jersey had got them some
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Speaker 4: tickets to the game.
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Speaker 3: So it's been a good week for me. Wait tell me, wait,
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Speaker 3: so what did you get? What did you what was
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Speaker 3: the deal?
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Speaker 4: So you got a one to one chrome saw something
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Speaker 4: it's like an orange or some some kind of barrier
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Speaker 4: to it. And then somehow got up with our public
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Speaker 4: public relations people and then they asked me if I
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Speaker 4: wanted to trade anything for I was like, for sure,
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Speaker 4: I'll definitely.
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Speaker 3: Take a one on one of myself. So it was
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Speaker 3: pretty easy.
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Speaker 4: Just had to sign a jersey, wrote a little letter
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Speaker 4: to him on there, and that's about it.
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Speaker 2: So are you like a are you a big card
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're a big card guy. That's uh, that's
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Speaker 2: something that I honestly, no one ever approached me about that.
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Speaker 2: So you you big card collectors? Just like one of
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Speaker 2: your big things.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say card I've been collecting more base us
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Speaker 4: on baseballs and stuff like that. First, I got a
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Speaker 4: good collection going so far. Baseball's I mean, I got
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Speaker 4: Miguel Cabrera, I got Tito, got Mike Treill, Bobby with
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Speaker 4: I got, I got some big names in there. So
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna keep going on with that.
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Speaker 2: So do you are you a send the clubhouse guy
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Speaker 2: over or do you like to personally ask for the
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Speaker 2: for the autograph.
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Speaker 4: I've done a little bit of both. Usually it's just
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Speaker 4: the clubhouse guy going over. I feel like that's the
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Speaker 4: easiest way to do it.
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Speaker 2: Safest, definitely the safest. It's a little weird asking sometimes
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Speaker 2: it's a little weird asking guys you're sharing the field with,
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Speaker 2: or you gotta strike out later to sign a baseball
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Speaker 2: for you. I totally get it. I totally get it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I got some buddies that I'll ask, But
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Speaker 4: that's about it. Definitely got to send the clubhouse guy
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Speaker 4: over though.
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Speaker 2: Definitely.
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Speaker 1: All right, Gavin, let's let's get into the good stuff here.
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Speaker 1: Take me through the experience against the Mets from you know,
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Speaker 1: what was going on before that start? How you're feeling
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Speaker 1: going into that matchup.
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Speaker 3: All the way through your.
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Speaker 1: Ninth inning emotions, Soto finally breaks up the no no,
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Speaker 1: and Steven Vote was like, I'm letting this guy eat
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six pitches.
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Speaker 3: We rarely see that.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've talked about it a lot already in interviews,
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Speaker 1: but our crowd definitely can tend to want to see
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Speaker 1: pitchers eat and they want to hear about the old
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Speaker 1: school experience that Steven Vote.
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Speaker 3: Brought for you.
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Speaker 1: So how did that all go down and how cool
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Speaker 1: was it for him to let you do that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I mean at that point when I went up out
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Speaker 4: for the ninth if it took me one hundred and
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Speaker 4: fifty pitches to try and get a no hit or done,
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Speaker 4: then I mean that's what I would have done. I mean,
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Speaker 4: the villa was still there as everyone sees, but I
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Speaker 4: mean it was just a surreal moment. Doesn't really happen
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Speaker 4: that often. Being able to get in that position and
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Speaker 4: stay in that position throughout the whole game and a
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Speaker 4: good lineup, it was phenomenal.
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Speaker 2: What do you think the kind of X factor was
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Speaker 2: arsenal wise? What was working the best for.
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Speaker 4: You that day.
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Speaker 2: What what what pitch or maybe combination of pitches. I
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Speaker 2: guess I never got close to throwing no hitters, so
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming there's probably more than one. But what felt
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Speaker 2: what were you most confident in throwing? What was working
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Speaker 2: the best?
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Speaker 4: Honestly, the cutter and the sinker. I felt like, I mean,
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Speaker 4: the cutter wasn't there as much as I've had in
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Speaker 4: the past, but I threw it and get them off
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Speaker 4: the get them off balance, and then throw them the
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Speaker 4: sinker the lefties and rieties, which that was the first
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Speaker 4: time I threw both the lefties and raeties.
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Speaker 3: Just just get them off, get them off the heater.
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Speaker 4: I knew in the pass it through like I guess
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Speaker 4: fiftys in games, so being able to get get the
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Speaker 4: guys off the heaters big. I knew it through the
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Speaker 4: sweeper or slide or whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 4: I feel like I didn't even have that really throughout
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Speaker 4: the game.
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Speaker 2: When you mentioned the cutter. Uh, and this is something
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Speaker 2: that well, a friend of mine and then the guy
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Speaker 2: who follows your career pretty close that you know Sarahs
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Speaker 2: loves your cutter and your change is your cutter, So
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Speaker 2: I would be remiss if I didn't ask you, and
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought it up. So your cutter usage
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Speaker 2: is the highest it has ever been. You learned that
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Speaker 2: pitch last year? Correct?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it was supposed to be a slider last year,
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Speaker 4: but I was hurt so I couldn't really get on
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Speaker 4: top of the ball that much. So I brought it
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Speaker 4: back this year after I think it was the playing
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Speaker 4: the Orioles gave up five. I only had three pitches
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Speaker 4: like in the first five or six starts, so I
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Speaker 4: needed to add a couple more just to be able
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Speaker 4: to get the hitters off the heater, not do it
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Speaker 4: as much.
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Speaker 2: And it seems to have been working out as you mentioned.
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Speaker 2: So in terms of the cutter, how what has it
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Speaker 2: unlocked for you? And what about the pitch has got
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Speaker 2: you thinking? Wow? This is this is what I wanted
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Speaker 2: to be as opposed to, you know, the slider that
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Speaker 2: maybe you're trying to throw before. What what what made
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Speaker 2: you land on? Cutter is the way to go.
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Speaker 3: I think it's my biggest strike pitch.
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Speaker 4: I feel like I can throw it in any count,
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Speaker 4: in front of the count, behind the count, doesn't really matter. Lefties, righties,
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Speaker 4: I can throw it at any point and know I
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Speaker 4: can either get a strikeout.
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Speaker 3: Or roll over or pop up.
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Speaker 1: Kevin, I want to ask you about the development machine,
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Speaker 1: pitching wise, that Cleveland has built. So can you take
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Speaker 1: me through your draft experience, which you can definitely sprinkle in.
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Speaker 1: I think you were drafted three times. How you end
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Speaker 1: up with Cleveland, What they showed you, what they taught
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Speaker 1: you to do, and how you've gotten to this point right,
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Speaker 1: what's refined? What did you learn from them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I think going out in Arizona, just learning about all
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Speaker 4: the different kind of technology, like the edge, the track man.
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Speaker 4: I know, I didn't use any of that in college,
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Speaker 4: and I didn't really care about it when I got drafted.
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Speaker 4: And then the more I get to throwing and getting
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Speaker 4: off the mountains, seeing how I can use all of
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Speaker 4: that and see how I can read fine all my pitches.
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Speaker 3: It's helped out a lot with Cleveland.
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Speaker 4: I mean it starts with all the tech guys and
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Speaker 4: then all the the pitching coaches. I mean they're all smart,
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Speaker 4: They're unbelievably good and talented at everything they do, showing
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Speaker 4: you what to work on and what you need to
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Speaker 4: do to fix everything. So it's it's been a big
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Speaker 4: transition from the bottom up for me.
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Speaker 2: So you've, according to our numbers, you've thrown over one
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Speaker 2: hundred pitches eight times this season, which is if I'm assuming,
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Speaker 2: I don't know the numbers on everyone else, but that
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Speaker 2: seems high. It doesn't seem like this happens as much.
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Speaker 2: And one twenty six obviously is a very high number.
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Speaker 2: But how important is it is? Is the one hundred
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Speaker 2: pitch mark very important for you to get to? Or
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Speaker 2: you know that you're doing well when you're like going
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Speaker 2: that long? And what was going through your mind when
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Speaker 2: you were like, I think I'm at like one fifty.
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Speaker 2: Did you realize you were at like one fifteen one twenty,
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Speaker 2: especially after the photo broken up. Were you excited to
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Speaker 2: face more hitters after that? Oh?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in the seventh inning.
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Speaker 4: Came in into the dugout after that inning and Voter
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Speaker 4: Voter yelled out, keep going, Gavin.
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Speaker 3: I looked up, but I was that ninety seven pitches.
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Speaker 3: I was like, this dude wants me to keep going.
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Speaker 4: And then I finally looked at the scoreboard and saw
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Speaker 4: what was going going on, and I think I got
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Speaker 4: to like the one to fifteen mark or one eleventh mark,
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Speaker 4: I was like, dang, this is I'm cooking right now.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully I got some more in the tank.
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Speaker 4: And then obviously Soda left it up just a little
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Speaker 4: over the plate for him, and it took a good swing,
16:33
Speaker 4: but it was nice getting a refresher after he hit that,
16:36
Speaker 4: and Carl coming out and give me a little break
16:40
Speaker 4: trying to get two more outs after that.
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Speaker 1: Were you surprised they let you go after that, because
16:45
Speaker 1: of course many organizations are freaking out soon after the
16:50
Speaker 1: century mark and they're like, okay, but once the no
16:52
Speaker 1: no is gone and then Soda hits the homer, obviously
16:54
Speaker 1: you guys are in command still of that game. Where
16:57
Speaker 1: you surprised that they let you go after that, I.
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Speaker 3: Was a little surprised, but I do have two extra
17:03
Speaker 3: days this week.
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Speaker 4: We had an off day yesterday and then off day Monday,
17:06
Speaker 4: So it.
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Speaker 3: Surprised me a little bit, but not too much.
17:10
Speaker 4: And I also knew there was nobody warming up in
17:12
Speaker 4: the pen at that point, so I was either gonna
17:15
Speaker 4: have to finish it or they were gonna have to
17:17
Speaker 4: waste some more time for me.
17:20
Speaker 1: Hey, one more on this with pitch counts. I know
17:22
Speaker 1: you've talked about it a lot this week. Do you
17:25
Speaker 1: think that it's something that needs to be revisited in
17:29
Speaker 1: our sport? It really goes down to the minor league level,
17:31
Speaker 1: where there's some starters that are baby so much for
17:35
Speaker 1: a long period of time. Right, it's like, oh, we're
17:37
Speaker 1: only going to let you go three innings or you know,
17:40
Speaker 1: we're only gonna let you go fifty pitches, and then
17:42
Speaker 1: a few months in maybe we'll extend things. Not every
17:45
Speaker 1: org's doing this, but many of them are, right, they're
17:47
Speaker 1: super careful, and let's be real. I mean, the sport
17:50
Speaker 1: definitely has an arm injury epidemic going on. So I'm
17:53
Speaker 1: not gonna act like I know what I'm doing. It
17:54
Speaker 1: just doesn't sound like anyone knows what they're doing. So
17:57
Speaker 1: do you think that there needs to be less of
17:59
Speaker 1: a struck Sure, I mean, you're six six, two fifty,
18:02
Speaker 1: maybe you can handle a little bit more than your
18:05
Speaker 1: average starter.
18:07
Speaker 3: I think it just depends on the organization.
18:09
Speaker 4: I know, there's like a there's a lot of innings
18:11
Speaker 4: that cover in the minor leagues, and then I mean
18:13
Speaker 4: sometimes it's a guy's first year, so they're just trying
18:16
Speaker 4: to do workload stuff. But I think it depends on
18:19
Speaker 4: the guy and like how many innings they have in
18:21
Speaker 4: the past, really worry about the pitch count and if
18:25
Speaker 4: they need to go less or more. I think I
18:28
Speaker 4: think there's a bunch of science behind behind the pitch count.
18:31
Speaker 2: Really, I was listening to some radio this morning and
18:38
Speaker 2: your manager, Steven Vote Vote he was on there and
18:41
Speaker 2: asked about the decision to leave you in as long
18:44
Speaker 2: as he did, and he the comments he made were
18:47
Speaker 2: effectively what you just said. I know this guy, I
18:50
Speaker 2: know what type of work he does, and I know
18:51
Speaker 2: he's going to take care of his body in between
18:54
Speaker 2: these two starts. He's built to do this thing. And
18:57
Speaker 2: it's specifically I feel this confidence I try him because
19:00
Speaker 2: I feel like he can handle it because of what
19:03
Speaker 2: you do between your starts. So do you do you
19:07
Speaker 2: does that resonate for you in a way like is
19:09
Speaker 2: that something that you are actually out here trying to foster?
19:13
Speaker 2: And be like, yes, that's exactly what I want you
19:15
Speaker 2: to feel when I get out there and pitch, that
19:17
Speaker 2: I can't take care of myself and be ready to
19:19
Speaker 2: go even if I throw more pitches one week, one
19:21
Speaker 2: start over another.
19:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent I know Corey Kleeber.
19:26
Speaker 4: He's working with us now, and I've talked to him
19:29
Speaker 4: plenty of times about what I need to do between
19:32
Speaker 4: starts and what he did.
19:34
Speaker 3: So now now I see the mastarge therapist three times
19:37
Speaker 3: a week.
19:38
Speaker 4: I get one the day after I start, and then
19:41
Speaker 4: bullpen day, and then the day before I start. I
19:44
Speaker 4: see the massage therapist and she's a big she's big
19:48
Speaker 4: into my routine and I could could. I can't thank
19:51
Speaker 4: her enough for what she does day in and day
19:53
Speaker 4: out for me and just all the other pitchers.
19:58
Speaker 2: Man, there's nothing better than than the post start, actually
20:01
Speaker 2: post any relief appearance to massage the best. I've also
20:06
Speaker 2: been told that you in high school through back to
20:08
Speaker 2: back no hitters. Is that? Is that right?
20:12
Speaker 3: Yeah? That is correct?
20:14
Speaker 2: So I have a question.
20:14
Speaker 3: Back to weeks, back to back weeks.
20:17
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question because I don't mean to
20:21
Speaker 2: toot my own horner, but I'm I did three, So
20:23
Speaker 2: I guess the question is why didn't you pull off
20:26
Speaker 2: that third one?
20:28
Speaker 4: Because I got taken out early pitchcount or not really pitchcount.
20:32
Speaker 4: It was a five in game, so I can't really
20:34
Speaker 4: count a five inning game.
20:36
Speaker 2: Ah, So you hadn't given up hits in that one either. Ah,
20:39
Speaker 2: so it all makes sense. That explains why you want
20:41
Speaker 2: to go one hundred and twenty six pitches and ountings.
20:43
Speaker 3: It makes I need to get my third one so
20:46
Speaker 3: I can catch up with you.
20:49
Speaker 2: Maybe someday you'll get to do this.
20:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's beautiful.
20:53
Speaker 1: Wait, just to clarify real real quick. So you did
20:56
Speaker 1: the two and then the third one was a shorter game,
20:59
Speaker 1: so you did the five Benning No, no, but it's
21:01
Speaker 1: not enough for a game.
21:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not enough for a game. Can't count. Yeah, okay, okay,
21:07
Speaker 3: but it's like kind of more in high school at least.
21:10
Speaker 1: Okay, kind of like good asterisk though, because there's nothing
21:13
Speaker 1: else you could have done. I mean, you did not
21:14
Speaker 1: give up any hits for the five, So that actually
21:17
Speaker 1: like kind of brings Trevor down a notch. He was
21:19
Speaker 1: he was coming in here. I got that in a row,
21:21
Speaker 1: and Gavin's like, I kind of did.
21:24
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got he's got the full game under
21:26
Speaker 3: his belt. I don't so true.
21:28
Speaker 1: True, Well, uh, you you've got something cooking in the
21:32
Speaker 1: in the majors here.
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Speaker 3: Man.
21:32
Speaker 1: It was awesome to watch We appreciate you joining us.
21:35
Speaker 1: It was really fun game, cool to see even you know,
21:37
Speaker 1: the crowd out there in New York, which can be hostile,
21:39
Speaker 1: give you a nice standing oh at the at the
21:41
Speaker 1: back end of that. So, Gavin, thanks for joining us. Man,
21:44
Speaker 1: keep doing your thing. Yeah, I appreciate yo. Thanks for
21:47
Speaker 1: having me.
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Speaker 4: You