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HAARP ENGINEER TELLS ALL | BOB MCGWIER · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: So with that down our guest today. He's a scientist
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Speaker 1: and engineer with a PhD and applied math from Brown
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Speaker 1: and three decades working for government in classified projects. He
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Speaker 2: Oh, man, I'm really happy to be here Rodner, and
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Speaker 1: I mean, I hope it's both. I hope that. I mean, really,
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Speaker 2: They don't.
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Speaker 1: But since it is your first time on the show,
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Speaker 1: I was on your show a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: I was around three three weeks ago, and we talked
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Speaker 1: about my documentary at Clockwork Shining and some other things,
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Speaker 1: and I found that show to be very interesting and
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Speaker 1: I wanted to give you the opportunity to come on
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Speaker 1: my show because you mentioned that you had worked at
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Speaker 1: HARP and we had a brief discussion about Harp on
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Speaker 1: your show. So take us back to the beginning, where
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Speaker 1: did you in your bio said you went to Brown,
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Speaker 1: you study science, and how did you get into this
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Speaker 1: area of working at HARP in Alaska?
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. So when I was ten years old, I
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Speaker 2: became an amateur radio operator, and so I got into radio,
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Speaker 2: and I totally got into radio big time, and went
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Speaker 2: on and graduated with degree in electrical engineering and applied
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Speaker 2: math from Auburn, and then went to work at Sandy
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Speaker 2: and National Labs. Decided that I needed a PhD. And
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Speaker 2: then went to Brown. So you got that part of it.
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Speaker 2: But I made a lot of friends in amateur radio
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Speaker 2: even before I became you know this professional engineer and scientist,
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Speaker 2: and John Brosnahan was my friend, and he built and
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Speaker 2: supplied the power amplifiers for all of the transmitters at Heart.
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Speaker 2: So literally he needed help and it was amazing. Couple
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Speaker 2: of a bunch of Ham radio buddies went up and
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Speaker 2: helped him run coacts, put amplifiers together. And so what
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Speaker 2: Heart is job, supposedly, as as as much as I
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Speaker 2: know about it is was to heat the ionosphere to
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Speaker 2: look for changes in the ionosphere because the Navy needed
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Speaker 2: the ionosphere to be a means of communication just in
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Speaker 2: case our adversaries destroyed our satellites. So it's kind of
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Speaker 2: always been in the development of people worried about it
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Speaker 2: for a long time. So Heart has been in development
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Speaker 2: for a long time. But now it's got it's being
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Speaker 2: downplayed a bit, and it's doing science, I believe for
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Speaker 2: the University of Alaska now, because it's been a long
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Speaker 2: time since I've been there. But I know a famous
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Speaker 2: guitarist who is an AMP, who is an amateur radio operator,
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Speaker 2: who played guitar for the Eagles, and he regularly went
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Speaker 2: up there to work on the antennas and the amplifiers
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Speaker 2: with all the rest of us amps. That was Joe Walsh.
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Speaker 1: How long did you work out there?
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Speaker 2: It was about two years. I only went up during
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Speaker 2: the summers. It took it took three years to build it.
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Speaker 1: So three years of build it. And what do you
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Speaker 1: remember recall what year this was?
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Speaker 2: I don't was a I don't recall. It was a eighties,
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Speaker 2: I think, but eighties or not, I don't remember exactly.
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Speaker 2: I could go look, but it's been a long time.
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Speaker 2: It was a long time. It brought John Brosnahans passed
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Speaker 2: away now he died for cancer. So it's been a
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Speaker 2: long time since that early work was done, A long time.
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Speaker 1: Do you know when it was completed what year it
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Speaker 1: was like in completing in full operation.
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Speaker 2: I don't, but it had to be the nineties. It
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Speaker 2: had to be the late nineties, I think when it
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Speaker 2: was completed and put into full operation, and by then
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Speaker 2: I had stopped doing anything.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned that what is it doing? Uh? Are
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Speaker 1: they still using it for the ionosphere and for the
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Speaker 1: radio signal.
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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely convinced it's still hitting the ionosphere. They're doing
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Speaker 2: different kinds of experiments, but I don't know because I'm
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Speaker 2: not involved in a day to day operation. There's a
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Speaker 2: lot of conspiracy theories about word arbiz and it is.
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Speaker 2: It's modifying quote weather, but it's ionospheric weather and not
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Speaker 2: the weather like we get out on the Earth. In
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Speaker 2: other words, they're changing the rate of ionization in the ionosphere,
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Speaker 2: and the ionosphere is what bounces signals off on shortwave.
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Speaker 2: That's how shortwave works, is the honest here, and they're
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Speaker 2: heeding it to see how they can change it. I'm
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Speaker 2: sure that they did it, both for understanding how it
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Speaker 2: works and how to stop it from working. In case
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Speaker 2: they needed to stop it from working. I'm sure there
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Speaker 2: was a ton of experiments, but I'm not privy to
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Speaker 2: all of them.
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Speaker 1: Was this a classified project that you were involved with
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Speaker 1: up there?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 1: How are you contracted to do this work on the transmitters?
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Speaker 2: Well, Brosnahan, who needed help, paid us an hourly rate
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Speaker 2: and it was Look, I got to go off to
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Speaker 2: a neat place in Alaska and work in the summers,
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Speaker 2: I mean, and then did we work because it was
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Speaker 2: it was daylight from four in the morning until ten
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Speaker 2: o'clock night. We did a lot of hard work. It
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Speaker 2: was hard work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, did they Is HARP considered a government facility?
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Speaker 2: It was, but it's now it's a state run facility
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Speaker 2: taken over by I think the University of Alaska. You'll
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Speaker 2: have to go look because that's been a while. The
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Speaker 2: Navy no longer has anything to do with it.
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Speaker 1: But in the beginning it was ran by the Navy, the.
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Speaker 2: Government, run by the government and the Department of Defense.
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Speaker 1: That's really interesting. So where do you think that these
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Speaker 1: theories like stem from about it being a weather modification
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Speaker 1: type of technology, because that's been popping up more and
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Speaker 1: more here recently, especially with the hurricanes that was, you know,
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Speaker 1: they hit in North Carolina and the one they hit Florida.
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Speaker 1: Like it's become a part of the zeitgeist again. When
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Speaker 1: no one talked about it for a good like eight years,
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Speaker 1: everyone kind of just fell off of the harp train.
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Speaker 1: It was like a really big thing in the mid
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Speaker 1: two thousands there for a couple of years where everyone
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Speaker 1: was kind of talking about it and making it this
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Speaker 1: big deal, and then it kind of resurfaced again recently.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just curious because obviously you've worked there, you
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Speaker 1: know what was going on. There is there any possibility
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Speaker 1: that it has anything to do like that the frequencies
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Speaker 1: could possibly manipulate the weather and make it rain more
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Speaker 1: or create storms or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: I cannot think of any way it could do that,
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Speaker 2: because what it does is it agitates the molecules up
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Speaker 2: in the at ion a sphere, which is above two
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Speaker 2: layers up from the layer where weather occurs in the troposphere.
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Speaker 2: So it's trouble sphere meus those spirits, stratosphere and ion sphere,
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Speaker 2: and so it's above all of that, so I can't
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Speaker 2: see it, and the the the density of molecules in
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Speaker 2: the ionosphere is tiny, it's very it's almost vacuum. So
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Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time seeing how it could impact
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Speaker 2: in any major way the tropospheric weather, which includes hurricanes, tornadoes,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. I'm having a hard time seeing it.
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Speaker 1: Now, were they successful with these with the radio communications,
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously if they're still doing it, then it
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Speaker 1: would have been successful.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I have done. I've done ionospheric
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Speaker 2: or transmissions my entire life since i was ten years
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Speaker 2: old and I'm seventy one. So the ionosphere has been
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Speaker 2: around forever. All short wave radio was use the ionosphere
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Speaker 2: to go over the horizon, so it would go up,
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Speaker 2: hit the horizon, and bounce back down, up and hit
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Speaker 2: the horizon and bounce back down. So to go over
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Speaker 2: the horizon over the curvature of the Earth, it would
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Speaker 2: go hit the ionosphere and come back down. And so
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Speaker 2: then now they're doing other things like near vertical incidents signaling,
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Speaker 2: which is aim a signal nearly straight up, have it
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Speaker 2: hit the ionosphere and come back down. So even if
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Speaker 2: there's no satellite, but you can still find a way
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Speaker 2: to get your signal up and down. So the military
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Speaker 2: constantly looks for all sorts of alternative means to communicate
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Speaker 2: in case the bad guys take out our satellites. That's
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Speaker 2: been that's been going on for decades.
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Speaker 1: And so that would have been in the nineties. So
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Speaker 1: that would have been after the Cold War. That would
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Speaker 1: have been I don't know if there was there any
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Speaker 1: big wars going on.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you had you had the Iraqi War
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Speaker 2: and under George W. Bush when Saddam Hussein and Vada Gwade,
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Speaker 2: and then after that you did in two thousand and
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Speaker 2: one you had the bombing of the World Trade Center
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Speaker 2: in the Afghan War, followed by the final invasion of
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Speaker 2: Iraq where we overthrow. So is the same and now
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Speaker 2: half the worlds of war.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that so it would have been. It's interesting because
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Speaker 1: do you think that they were doing something like that
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Speaker 1: before they started HARP that was like more of like
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Speaker 1: a classified program, because it's kind of like with Area
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Speaker 1: fifty one and stuff like that, like they said that
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Speaker 1: Area fifty one like never existed for a really long time,
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they came on said
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Speaker 1: Area fifty one exists. It seems like HARP was something
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Speaker 1: that was kind of always like publicly known. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: kind of makes sense that maybe they were already doing
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Speaker 1: something like HARP with these radio transmissions before they made
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Speaker 1: it public to like like a public corporation.
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Speaker 2: People can go look at Thronso Sweden. They've been heating
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Speaker 2: the ionosphere with radio communications for quite a while. But again,
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Speaker 2: what they're doing there, there's learning how they modify the
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Speaker 2: way the ionosphere works to figure out how it impacts
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Speaker 2: radio transmissions, and that also helps us understand the conditions
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Speaker 2: that are on the Sun. So the Sun's output varies
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Speaker 2: on eleven year cycle called the sunspot cycle, and so
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Speaker 2: you can measure that measure the impact of all of
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Speaker 2: that on the ionosphere to get figure out how things
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Speaker 2: will change over the eleven year cycle.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, the Europeans have been doing this almost since
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Speaker 3: the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Of radio and it just got into a big way
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Speaker 2: when the Navy and the Air Force decided to do
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Speaker 2: all this big development in Alaska. And my recollection now
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Speaker 2: is it was it was finished in the early part
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Speaker 2: of the nineteen nineties and then it did its thing
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Speaker 2: until it was ended and they turned it over to
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Speaker 2: the University of Alaska for them to do further physics
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Speaker 2: work on the ionosphere. So I don't know what it's
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Speaker 2: doing now, but I don't think it's doing classified.
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Speaker 1: Work that makes sense. What other types of classified projects
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Speaker 1: have you been a part of it? Have you worked
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Speaker 1: directly for the government.
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Speaker 2: Yes, So I served the intelligence community for three decades.
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Speaker 2: Most of the time was through the federally funded research
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Speaker 2: and development center called the Institute for Defense Analysis, and
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Speaker 2: I did work for NSACIA, et cetera. And then at
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Speaker 2: the end of that I decided to go work at
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Speaker 2: a university. But the work I did at the un
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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, was to train scientists and engineers and others
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Speaker 2: who wanted to go work for the government, and so
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Speaker 2: I did that for eleven years, but all that time
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Speaker 2: I held security clearance of the workers classified. Well. The
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Speaker 2: other thing is, while I was at the Institute for
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Speaker 2: Defense Analysis and working for government, I couldn't start my
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Speaker 2: own businesses. So after I went to Virginia Tech, I
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Speaker 2: started two companies, which is Hawky three sixty and Federated Wireless.
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Speaker 2: While both of them learning things I learned in radio
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Speaker 2: a long time ago, and they're both going concerns now.
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Speaker 2: So it was it. I haven't led an interesting life,
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Speaker 2: and I did I have. I have close to two
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Speaker 2: hundred classified papers.
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Speaker 1: Have any of the projects that you've worked on that
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Speaker 1: are classified? Have they been unclassified.
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Speaker 2: To my knowledge?
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Speaker 1: No, So you can't speak on those now.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna tell you. There were radio and then
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Speaker 2: so I was. I was a big part of National
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Speaker 2: Security Agency and others adopting software defined radio, which is
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Speaker 2: you don't do your radio transmitters and receivers with coils
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Speaker 2: and capacitors and resistors anymore. You take digital samples and
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Speaker 2: do all the processing and computer code. So I was
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Speaker 2: really instrumental in doing software defined radio at the government
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Speaker 2: along with Joe Mattola. And you can see that will
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Speaker 2: continued even after that. Joe and I started Federated Wireless together.
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Speaker 1: So you're essentially a radio operator radio engineer. This is
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Speaker 1: a touchy subject, but I do want to bring it
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Speaker 1: up because people talk about that they're that they can
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Speaker 1: some people get like radio signals inside of their head.
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Speaker 1: They can do they can beam radio signals directly inside
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Speaker 1: of their head. Is that something that you're familiar with
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Speaker 1: or something that.
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Speaker 2: I'm familiar with. Havana syndrome, and it's been known for
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Speaker 2: a while that people could be walking down the street
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Speaker 2: and suddenly hear a radio and it'd be playing music
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Speaker 2: or have a voice or whatever. And if you have
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a kind of a crack or
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Speaker 2: something like a rough surface in your filling in your tooth,
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Speaker 2: it'll play. It'll make a crystal detector and you can
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Speaker 2: hear the radio. So this is true. It's a that
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Speaker 2: there are lots of stories people can go google about
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Speaker 2: people going down the street and hearing radio in their head.
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Speaker 2: That's true, But I think you're talking more about things
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Speaker 2: like Havana syndrome, where somebody's directing radio energy et cetera
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Speaker 2: microwave or something like that and trying to harm people.
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Speaker 2: That's at absolutely true. It has happened.
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Speaker 1: But have you seen any were you familiar with any
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Speaker 1: of the things that you were working on that could
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Speaker 1: have been weaponized toward the American public? Is essentially what
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Speaker 1: I'm asking it not based.
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Speaker 2: On Almost any kind of radio you can imagine can
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Speaker 2: be weaponized. You have to turn it to the right
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Speaker 2: frequency and tell it to do the right thing. I
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Speaker 2: don't mean like a weapon to hurt you kinetically, but
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Speaker 2: evesdrop on you. Yes, you could do all sorts of stuff. Radio,
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Speaker 2: and that's how that's how evesdropping works, is we listen
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Speaker 2: to others communications to figure out what it was. Inside
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Speaker 2: the United States, that requires a warrant from a court
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Speaker 2: in order to do it. You can't you can't surveil
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Speaker 2: Americans without a warrant. Inside the United States. You can
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Speaker 2: surveil whoever you want to if they're not in the
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Speaker 2: United State state.
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Speaker 1: So it can double as like a listening device so
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Speaker 1: that you wouldn't have to have the house bugged or
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Speaker 1: someone's phone tapped. It can essentially transmit the frequencies back
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Speaker 1: so that you can listen to what people are saying
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Speaker 1: in any given location.
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Speaker 2: And that is the job of the National Security Agency
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Speaker 2: and others. That's their job. Overseas. Inside the United States,
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Speaker 2: it's the job of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the
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Speaker 2: Drug Enforcement and Administration, et cetera. So listing inside the
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Speaker 2: United States to US persons is a law enforcement function
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Speaker 2: and it has to go through a court.
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Speaker 1: That would make sense. I mean, they won't really even
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Speaker 1: have to do that anymore. They got that Pegasus program
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Speaker 1: that all you got to do is have your phone number,
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Speaker 1: and like any criminal organization can basically just get all
20:54
Speaker 1: the information and see exactly what you're doing on your phone,
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Speaker 1: so they don't even have to use it frequencies or
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Speaker 1: have your house bugged or your phone tapped or any
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Speaker 1: of that anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So these devices are wireless from your phone to
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Speaker 2: the tower. But after that, all they need is some
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Speaker 2: information and they can get everything you're doing off the internet.
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Speaker 2: Then the criminals are doing. I use just be so
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Speaker 2: you're aware. I use the virtual private network and peer
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Speaker 2: to peer encryption for everything I do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean people put way too much stuff on
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Speaker 1: social media anyway, like personal things or posting pictures all
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Speaker 1: the time. Is it giving away their location? Like you know,
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Speaker 1: if you take a picture with your phone and you
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Speaker 1: post that picture wrong onto the internet, Like there's a
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Speaker 1: digital code within that picture that will give somebody your
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Speaker 1: exact location of where that picture was taken.
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Speaker 2: So you can do that, but you can turn that
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Speaker 2: metadata off. However, photographs are now ubiquitous. We have photos
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Speaker 2: of everywhere. So you give me enough of the background
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Speaker 2: in a picture, I can figure out where you are
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Speaker 2: and I'll have to read it code. Just from looking
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Speaker 2: at the picture, I can template match it to a map.
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Speaker 1: And I think they got a lot of our like
22:20
Speaker 1: everything kind of like photographed. I mean, there's that Pokemon
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Speaker 1: Go app that was basically doubled as like a virtual
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Speaker 1: reality like simulator for like the Nitonic, the company that
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Speaker 1: essentially like gave this people this app for free, had
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Speaker 1: them go around in this digital ar type of world
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Speaker 1: and they were essentially mapping their surroundings, their home, exactly
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Speaker 1: where they are, what the callers of everything look like.
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Speaker 1: And I think they're building a digital version of people
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Speaker 1: inside of this digital space. So you have like your
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Speaker 1: physical body and then you have like your digital version
23:04
Speaker 1: of you from all the things that you've posted on
23:06
Speaker 1: the Internet, all the things that you've searched on your device,
23:09
Speaker 1: and it's stored somewhere.
23:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. So deep finks are already a big thing, but
23:15
Speaker 2: people won't recognize world in a decade. I mean, so
23:19
Speaker 2: from now until a decade from now, everything you do
23:23
Speaker 2: can be copied and faked, and it'll sound just like
23:27
Speaker 2: me with my Southern accent saying stuff that I would
23:30
Speaker 2: never allow to come out of my mouth or do
23:32
Speaker 2: things I would never consider doing. And it is going
23:36
Speaker 2: to make it very hard for law enforcement and intelligence
23:41
Speaker 2: communities to do their work. And TikTok is a big,
23:45
Speaker 2: a big version of this people all over the world,
23:48
Speaker 2: and the hundreds of millions are video and everything that's
23:51
Speaker 2: going right to the Chinese computers.
23:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, TikTok is a really interesting is a really interesting one.
24:01
Speaker 1: But people love it because it's easy to look things
24:04
Speaker 1: up and easy to find videos on like how to
24:06
Speaker 1: do anything. It's it's essentially YouTube for like younger generation
24:11
Speaker 1: of people.
24:11
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree. I agree that now that they get
24:14
Speaker 2: the star on their own show, so it's bi directional.
24:17
Speaker 2: Your YouTube is more nearly uni directional. TikTok is bi directional,
24:21
Speaker 2: and I understand and that and you get to going
24:25
Speaker 2: like this and they have figured out the optimal algorithms
24:31
Speaker 2: to get you hooked to the dopamine release that comes
24:35
Speaker 2: from doing doom.
24:36
Speaker 1: Scrolling, good old doom scrolling. I get caught up sometimes
24:41
Speaker 1: on like Facebook, like I scroll and then I just
24:44
Speaker 1: scroll and then going through reels and reels and reels,
24:47
Speaker 1: and then I don't even remember the first thing that
24:49
Speaker 1: I clicked on.
24:50
Speaker 2: Well, I remember, because what I do is I look
24:52
Speaker 2: at reels to improve my golf sleep. The best instruction
24:57
Speaker 2: I ever got on golf was from looking at reels
25:00
Speaker 2: on Facebook, it's amazing. Look at what what technology is
25:06
Speaker 2: doing for us is amazing. But we have to understand
25:10
Speaker 2: the downsides of all this technology.
25:14
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the potential downsides is that
25:18
Speaker 1: if everything is completely digitized, in this digitized VR type
25:24
Speaker 1: of world, then it becomes really easy for like everything
25:28
Speaker 1: to be wiped, some kind of catastrophe, something really big
25:32
Speaker 1: can happen, and everything that we know could just be
25:36
Speaker 1: gone in the then the snap of a finger, and
25:39
Speaker 1: then several generations in the future would have absolutely no
25:42
Speaker 1: idea that we even existed.
25:44
Speaker 2: A couple, a couple of well a few well placed
25:47
Speaker 2: nookes high up in the atmosphere, and nothing we own
25:50
Speaker 2: from automobiles to telephones, et cetera, will work. Your money
25:55
Speaker 2: will evaporate because it's stored digitally.
26:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's already a digital system. That's the thing that
26:02
Speaker 1: I've been talking about for a while is like they're like, oh,
26:05
Speaker 1: we don't want digit the digital backed currency, we don't
26:09
Speaker 1: want the cryptocurrency on the blockchain and all that. I'm like, well,
26:12
Speaker 1: do you have a debit card? Do you have a
26:13
Speaker 1: credit card? Like, do you use a bank? It's already digital.
26:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I rarely keep cashing my way
26:21
Speaker 2: because I do everything digitally.
26:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's already there. It's already just a number in
26:30
Speaker 1: a computer or on your phone exactly. That money really
26:35
Speaker 1: isn't in the isn't in the bank.
26:38
Speaker 2: So as you can imagine, having done this kind of
26:41
Speaker 2: thinking on offense and defense since nineteen the nineteen eighties
26:52
Speaker 2: until now, it's it's hard for me to know all
26:56
Speaker 2: I know and not worry. Ignorance is bliss is a
27:01
Speaker 2: true statement. Not being ignorant and fully aware. It's kind
27:06
Speaker 2: of frightening, but do you just learn? You got to
27:08
Speaker 2: put it behind you and live your life and what
27:11
Speaker 2: happens happens. And then Lala and I we have a
27:17
Speaker 2: basement and it's full of prep and stuff.
27:22
Speaker 1: Hey, sometimes you don't know which direction is going to go.
27:25
Speaker 1: We don't know if we need to buy a freaking
27:27
Speaker 1: solar panels and like excess of food or everything's gonna
27:32
Speaker 1: be okay. It's a really strange and weird time now
27:36
Speaker 1: when it comes to like UFOs and extraterrestrials. I've delved
27:43
Speaker 1: into this topic a lot, but is there any relation
27:46
Speaker 1: there between these radio frequencies that you've been working on
27:52
Speaker 1: as a radio operator, and any connections to life elsewhere,
27:57
Speaker 1: or maybe even life we're not aware of that is
28:02
Speaker 1: already on our planet and has been existing here for
28:06
Speaker 1: a really long time.
28:07
Speaker 2: So I'll have to I'll give you an example, Jimmy Blanchett.
28:12
Speaker 2: That's B L A N C H E T T E.
28:14
Speaker 2: He's an amateur radio operator, but he's also an experiencer,
28:19
Speaker 2: and he goes out in his yard and then turns
28:23
Speaker 2: his antennas toward the sky and amidst the signal and
28:27
Speaker 2: the lights flash as they answer him. So the answer is, yes,
28:33
Speaker 2: there is a connection. And what I believe that one
28:36
Speaker 2: of the methods the government has used to attract these
28:40
Speaker 2: things and bring them down is radio transmissions. I think
28:47
Speaker 2: the Roswell crashes and KINGMN, et cetera. They were brought
28:51
Speaker 2: down by extremely high powered radars which we had in
28:55
Speaker 2: the Southwest.
28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a common h theory for a while.
29:01
Speaker 1: Forget who started that one, but yeah, the government was
29:07
Speaker 1: experimenting with high radio frequency signals and then it hit
29:12
Speaker 1: one of the something in them in the sky and
29:15
Speaker 1: brought it down, Which is really one of the only
29:18
Speaker 1: explanations that kind of makes any sense, because like, if
29:21
Speaker 1: they're a highly advanced society, they would know how our
29:24
Speaker 1: atmosphere and how everything works, and they're just gonna come
29:27
Speaker 1: and crash. Doesn't make any sense.
29:31
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but to the things that are manufactured
29:33
Speaker 2: can break. And I just think that they probably haven't
29:37
Speaker 2: used radio for a thousand centuries or whatever, and they've
29:43
Speaker 2: ran into a very large electromagnetic fiel because we are
29:46
Speaker 2: primitive and still use high powered radio, and it interacted
29:50
Speaker 2: with their gear and caused it to fail.
29:55
Speaker 1: Have you had any experiences yourself with radio signals and
30:00
Speaker 1: doing any experimentation as a radio scientist yourself that you
30:06
Speaker 1: experience something that you couldn't explain.
30:09
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I've duplicated some of Jimmy's
30:12
Speaker 2: experiments and Lala is uh she does it by CE
30:17
Speaker 2: five style stuff. And she has gotten a little flashing
30:21
Speaker 2: craft in our sky that's absolutely identical to the one
30:26
Speaker 2: Jimmy gets. Why flash dropped by sending a radio transmission.
30:30
Speaker 4: That and uh, this device right here is a five
30:38
Speaker 4: input receiver and it's called a cracking SDR which people
30:42
Speaker 4: can see.
30:43
Speaker 2: And this is a software defined radio and it's I
30:48
Speaker 2: use it to put up passive radar, and so I
30:51
Speaker 2: can track things that are in the sky with that device.
30:54
Speaker 2: So here's how it works. I don't want to I
30:58
Speaker 2: don't want to go get a million dollar RAI and
31:00
Speaker 2: a hundred thousand dollars license to be able to transmit radar.
31:05
Speaker 2: But I can still do radar by using other people's transmissions.
31:10
Speaker 2: And which ones do I use FM radio stations and
31:15
Speaker 2: high powered television transmitters, and their signals bounce off the
31:20
Speaker 2: craft whatever it is, come into my received antennas, and
31:26
Speaker 2: the math I run on a computer tells me where
31:29
Speaker 2: they are and how fast they're going. And this has
31:32
Speaker 2: been known for a long time by government passive radars
31:35
Speaker 2: called So I'll do all sorts of stuff like that.
31:40
Speaker 2: I try to keep I am in the process of
31:45
Speaker 2: working with hang on a minute, how put offs gym.
32:00
Speaker 2: He was on the first season of Skim Walk Around.
32:01
Speaker 2: I'm sorry having a brain fart anyway, So Jim is
32:04
Speaker 2: put together with his wife a project with how put
32:08
Speaker 2: Off self called moupos. It's Mupas and Jim and they
32:13
Speaker 2: are got a device and it does all sorts of
32:17
Speaker 2: collection of sensor data so that if you have an
32:20
Speaker 2: experience at home, you can market and that device will
32:24
Speaker 2: have collected it and you can go see all the
32:27
Speaker 2: weird things that happened while you were having an experience.
32:30
Speaker 2: And Jim is trying to figure out how to predict
32:35
Speaker 2: or detect when one of these things come. And I'm
32:38
Speaker 2: going to add the passive radar to that so because
32:42
Speaker 2: I want to be able to track them. Partner Mick
32:45
Speaker 2: West is constantly going, you can't tell how far away
32:48
Speaker 2: it is? Well, with a past the radar, I can.
32:51
Speaker 2: I can tell how far away it is, how fast
32:54
Speaker 2: it's moving.
32:56
Speaker 1: Do you have something beeping on your computer?
33:02
Speaker 2: Let me see I probably do.
33:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's keeping on your end, can you?
33:07
Speaker 4: Yeah?
33:07
Speaker 2: Can you let me figure out what it is? Yeah?
33:10
Speaker 2: I do, indeed have maybe that stopped. I don't know
33:14
Speaker 2: who's doing that. I hear it.
33:16
Speaker 1: Let me.
33:16
Speaker 2: I mean, I got look, I have about forty tabs open.
33:19
Speaker 2: I'll have to figure out which one it is.
33:22
Speaker 1: It's probably some kind of pop up or some kind
33:25
Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, I think it's just it's really interesting
33:29
Speaker 1: with the new Jersey drones and everything that they were
33:34
Speaker 1: talking about that and everyone's kind of freaking about the
33:37
Speaker 1: new Jersey drones and they're like because the government wasn't
33:39
Speaker 1: saying exactly what they were. And you would think that
33:43
Speaker 1: with the type of radar that you're describing that you
33:48
Speaker 1: have and you have access to, you would think that
33:51
Speaker 1: the military would have something that's even better.
33:54
Speaker 2: Than they definitely do. Look they're Look, they have radar
34:00
Speaker 2: that's so good. They can illuminate the object and see
34:07
Speaker 2: the rivets on the side of an aircraft, see the
34:10
Speaker 2: seams on the side of an aircraft. So they can
34:13
Speaker 2: paint a UFO or a plane or whatever and paint
34:16
Speaker 2: it better than you can with a camera. So they
34:19
Speaker 2: have but that's those systems cost millions of dollars and
34:24
Speaker 2: we don't actually need that. We just want to track
34:27
Speaker 2: the devices, see how close they are to and how
34:30
Speaker 2: fast moved because we can prove so we can prove
34:34
Speaker 2: they're not prosaic, they're anomalous. That's what we're after, proof
34:38
Speaker 2: of anomalous behavior.
34:43
Speaker 1: Something that can't be described by normal aircraft and normal yep.
34:52
Speaker 1: Just something we've been waiting for. We've we've been I
34:55
Speaker 1: think that the community has been wanting now for a
34:57
Speaker 1: really long time, and none of these whistleblowers seem to
34:59
Speaker 1: come on never see anything that people don't already know
35:03
Speaker 1: where they can't say it, or they won't say it,
35:05
Speaker 1: or they got to get clearance to say it, which
35:07
Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense. Like, why are you a whistleblower
35:11
Speaker 1: if you got to get permission and clearance?
35:15
Speaker 2: Totally totally agree, totally agree. Yeah, it's just I don't
35:21
Speaker 2: want permission. Look, I've given up on government disclosure because
35:25
Speaker 2: they're not going to disclose that may clear They're not
35:28
Speaker 2: going to disclose. The only people that are coming out
35:31
Speaker 2: are talking are people who are still connected and have
35:36
Speaker 2: security clearance, and they have to go to the Pentagon
35:39
Speaker 2: to get permission to say anything through DOFTSER. That means
35:42
Speaker 2: they're still officially a part of the secrecy system. So
35:46
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just absolutely convinced they're not going to
35:50
Speaker 2: do and tell us anything about what they've done in
35:52
Speaker 2: the past and what they're currently doing. So and now
35:56
Speaker 2: the people at Skywatcher, Jake and all of them, they're
35:59
Speaker 2: safe the words out loud. They are tasked by government
36:04
Speaker 2: to introduce the public to the actuality of UFOs et cetera,
36:10
Speaker 2: and not give away any of the inside secrets. Now,
36:13
Speaker 2: you could have predicted this as clear as day five
36:17
Speaker 2: years ago.
36:20
Speaker 1: Yep. That's the same with all of them. That's the
36:22
Speaker 1: same with Luella Zondo, that's the same with Dave Grush,
36:26
Speaker 1: It's the same with this essentially every single one of them.
36:29
Speaker 1: It's it's been a middleman that has been put out
36:33
Speaker 1: there from the government to go out and drip a
36:36
Speaker 1: little bit of information to get people excited and all
36:39
Speaker 1: routed up about it, and then and it be a
36:42
Speaker 1: nothing burger. It's always been a nothing burger.
36:44
Speaker 2: Yep.
36:45
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, until they bring the freaking spaceship down,
36:50
Speaker 1: until we see a real extraterrestrial or an alien, I'm
36:55
Speaker 1: going to remain skeptical because that's the only way that
36:58
Speaker 1: you can prove to people that it actually exists, because
37:02
Speaker 1: it's all been nothing but talk and theory and speculation
37:06
Speaker 1: since Roswell in nineteen forty seven.
37:09
Speaker 2: Yep. Well, just so your your autist is telling me
37:12
Speaker 2: to go and close my discord is I don't have
37:15
Speaker 2: discord open. It's closed. I don't know what's doing to
37:17
Speaker 2: beat it because I can't find it.
37:20
Speaker 1: Well, it kind of stopped now, so whatever you.
37:22
Speaker 2: Can, I turned it down so low it's hard to hear.
37:26
Speaker 1: Oh good good. Yeah, I was trying to figure out
37:29
Speaker 1: what it was. I was like, what is that? I
37:31
Speaker 1: know it's not coming from my end, so had to
37:32
Speaker 1: be coming from your end.
37:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be over here. But I just
37:36
Speaker 2: can't figure out what it is or I would stop it.
37:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it seemed like it has quieted down enough.
37:45
Speaker 1: Let us know in the chat if you can still
37:47
Speaker 1: hear it or not. But yeah, the UFO phenomenon has
37:55
Speaker 1: just gotten completely out of hand and it's and it's
38:01
Speaker 1: just become this thing where like I'm just like kind
38:04
Speaker 1: of no longer interested in anymore, and I only bring
38:08
Speaker 1: it up every once in a while to get people's
38:11
Speaker 1: thoughts on it from like now on, because it's like
38:14
Speaker 1: it's so dead. It's so dead in the water.
38:17
Speaker 2: Well right around here, it's kind of hard not to discous. Look,
38:21
Speaker 2: we aren't. We have these camera systems and something's something's
38:25
Speaker 2: flashing us every night in the sky. They just go
38:27
Speaker 2: flash and then we look and there's some kind of
38:32
Speaker 2: airy single day here and so we see some airplanes
38:37
Speaker 2: or other things, and all of a sudden there's these
38:39
Speaker 2: flash and you go zoom in on the frame with
38:41
Speaker 2: a flash in it. It's some kind of craft and
38:44
Speaker 2: I don't know why they're doing it. They're not telling
38:47
Speaker 2: me why they're doing it. We just see them every day.
38:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the phenomenon has really changed since its inception.
38:56
Speaker 1: It was like a physical thing, and then it turned
38:59
Speaker 1: into of like interdimensional, and then it turned into lights
39:04
Speaker 1: in the sky and then orbs. It's kind of like
39:07
Speaker 1: whenever we can't get answers to something, we then invent
39:11
Speaker 1: something else to take the place of that. It's kind
39:13
Speaker 1: of like the cryptid thing as well, like, oh well,
39:16
Speaker 1: if we can't find any physical evidence of Bigfoot, then
39:20
Speaker 1: it must be interdimensional. He must be the teleport in
39:23
Speaker 1: between time. He must be hopping interdimensionally between timelines. You know,
39:28
Speaker 1: we just kind of throw these labels on things that
39:31
Speaker 1: we don't really have any answers for. And that's a
39:34
Speaker 1: really big issue with the community because it just creates
39:37
Speaker 1: all kinds of confusion and everyone all has their own
39:41
Speaker 1: theories on exactly what it is. It's like a division technique,
39:46
Speaker 1: you know, like you have this one group that thinks
39:48
Speaker 1: that it's all physical, you have this other group that
39:50
Speaker 1: thinks it's interdimensional, another group that thinks that it's one
39:54
Speaker 1: spiritual phenomenon. There isn't any like basis or any kind
39:59
Speaker 1: of foundation for any of these things, and it's just
40:04
Speaker 1: it creates all this infighting and this budding heads between people.
40:08
Speaker 1: The people that are like, oh, this is all physical
40:11
Speaker 1: or at odds with the ones that think that is interdimensional,
40:14
Speaker 1: and the interdimensional ones are at odds with the ones
40:16
Speaker 1: that think that it's all spiritual.
40:18
Speaker 2: Well, in most of the people in what I call
40:22
Speaker 2: UFO Land, they want to know how the craft works
40:26
Speaker 2: and how they get on it and go fly to
40:28
Speaker 2: another star. And so we see things in our scout
40:32
Speaker 2: looks like craft. But look, in twenty twenty I went
40:35
Speaker 2: and visited Chris Bledsoe, and I've left Chris having orb
40:41
Speaker 2: experiences regularly since. So I'm going to tell you it's
40:46
Speaker 2: all sorts of things, and if you're interested in it,
40:50
Speaker 2: go observe without hoping to figure out any clear and
40:54
Speaker 2: easy answers. Just observe it and be happy you can
40:58
Speaker 2: see it now. Of course we have, We've had a
41:02
Speaker 2: few funky experiences, like Lala got abducted twice since we
41:07
Speaker 2: moved in this home and with bruises left on her
41:10
Speaker 2: and I was knocked out until noon after they brought
41:14
Speaker 2: her back. You know, well, there's that kind of stuff.
41:16
Speaker 2: But what can I say? It is what it is,
41:21
Speaker 2: and I do my best to do what I said
41:24
Speaker 2: I would do, which is find evidence and show it
41:27
Speaker 2: to people and let them realize it's here.
41:31
Speaker 1: Did you see the latest Chris Balletso interview with Sean Ryan?
41:35
Speaker 1: Did you watch?
41:35
Speaker 2: I did, But there there were several there's several after that,
41:39
Speaker 2: so people that just I want to tell people a
41:41
Speaker 2: thing because I know it. I know the inside story.
41:47
Speaker 2: The first edit of Chris's interview, whoever did the editing
41:53
Speaker 2: for Sean.
41:55
Speaker 5: Modified the video and Ryan fired the video editor because
42:04
Speaker 5: they modify it to say something that Chris did not say.
42:08
Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing. Chris says, and has said that in
42:12
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, major changes coming. We're gonna be subjected
42:18
Speaker 2: to all sorts of weird stuff. And he says, I
42:21
Speaker 2: believe and hope that within a year of that Christ
42:24
Speaker 2: will return, But he doesn't know. He knows that he
42:27
Speaker 2: is being told major changes are coming for humanity in
42:31
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. He personally hopes that Jesus is coming,
42:36
Speaker 2: but that is not what he said. And the editor
42:39
Speaker 2: that modified the video to make it say that got fired.
42:46
Speaker 2: Sean fired them.
42:49
Speaker 1: I think the most interesting part of the interview was
42:53
Speaker 1: when Chris was essentially like, if you're skeptical, if you're
42:59
Speaker 1: a skeptical person, then you're you're not going to experience anything.
43:05
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of a bold claim to
43:08
Speaker 1: make a lot.
43:09
Speaker 2: Skeptical experience spics see it. So I think that's I
43:15
Speaker 2: think that's too strong a playing me personally, because look,
43:19
Speaker 2: I was in Wilmington and in February, I mean, uh,
43:27
Speaker 2: in the fall, and they had the River Festival, and
43:30
Speaker 2: we had two hundred and something people on the beach
43:33
Speaker 2: and we all saw this sky full of orbs and
43:36
Speaker 2: there were skeptical people there and they saw it. So
43:40
Speaker 2: it's not completely correct. But if you bring a bunch
43:44
Speaker 2: of negative stuff do whatever that is up there doesn't
43:49
Speaker 2: seem to care for you. They won't. They won't show
43:52
Speaker 2: up for you where. But if you've had two hundred
43:56
Speaker 2: people and they came specific to see it, they show
43:59
Speaker 2: up even with eptical people watching. Because I've seen it,
44:03
Speaker 2: I say that. So we had over one hundred Forbes
44:06
Speaker 2: in fromt of two hundred and fifty people in Wilmington,
44:09
Speaker 2: North Carolina at the Rose Festival whatever, and went went
44:15
Speaker 2: to North Carolina. It was pretty amazing.
44:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to know exactly what he would
44:24
Speaker 1: like to him to expand upon that, because the way
44:27
Speaker 1: that it was left was that it kind of seemed
44:30
Speaker 1: like that it's based upon your belief. So the only
44:34
Speaker 1: way that you can see it is if you believe
44:37
Speaker 1: that it's going to happen, right, That's what I took
44:41
Speaker 1: from it. So you have to already believe that these
44:46
Speaker 1: things exist and that you're going to see one in
44:49
Speaker 1: order for one to manifest. That's the way that I
44:51
Speaker 1: took it. And I don't agree with that.
44:53
Speaker 2: I don't need this, but I think that whatever it
44:57
Speaker 2: is that is showing up what he wanted to see
45:00
Speaker 2: it so they we can know they are real. So
45:06
Speaker 2: you can't do that if you're going to hide from
45:07
Speaker 2: people that don't already believe in you. So look, Chris
45:10
Speaker 2: is my friend. I love the guy, but I don't
45:13
Speaker 2: agree with that statement.
45:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just the most interesting part that I
45:19
Speaker 1: thought was like an interesting thing because I was a
45:22
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator for a long time and I went in
45:24
Speaker 1: being one skeptical and I came out a believer, right,
45:29
Speaker 1: So if I was one hundred percent skeptical, then based
45:33
Speaker 1: off of his statements, then I would not be a
45:35
Speaker 1: believer because nothing paranormal would ever show itself to me,
45:39
Speaker 1: you know, So it doesn't that to me personally, doesn't
45:42
Speaker 1: make any sense.
45:43
Speaker 2: Well, so look, I went to his house as a scientist,
45:47
Speaker 2: not really believing that I would see and I left
45:53
Speaker 2: knowing that Chris Bledsoe is the real deal, and things
45:57
Speaker 2: show up for him now that they followed me home,
46:00
Speaker 2: and I've experienced them ever since. So I left the
46:05
Speaker 2: believer when I was. I don't know what this is
46:08
Speaker 2: or even if I believe in it when I went there.
46:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he was talking about something that is, you know,
46:17
Speaker 1: completely different. Maybe he was mentioning something that was about
46:21
Speaker 1: you know, his experiences. But I would definitely like him
46:25
Speaker 1: to expand on it, because Ryan didn't follow up with
46:29
Speaker 1: the question, like like the answer to the question properly,
46:33
Speaker 1: So I'd definitely like to get exactly what he believed
46:37
Speaker 1: was going on with that because I just tend to disagree, like,
46:42
Speaker 1: how are you going to convince? I mean a lot
46:44
Speaker 1: of people are skeptical, So skeptical people can't see it
46:48
Speaker 1: and they don't experience, and then how are you going
46:50
Speaker 1: to convince them? That makes it no logical or common sense.
46:55
Speaker 2: I'm with you there, I'm with you. I believe that
46:58
Speaker 2: they want us to see them, and they're trying to
47:02
Speaker 2: convince us they're real in here, so we'll wake up.
47:09
Speaker 1: It could be. The Skip out Water interview with Sean
47:13
Speaker 1: Ryan was also really interesting as well. Did you listen
47:16
Speaker 1: to that one?
47:18
Speaker 2: I listened to basically everything Sean puts up, so yeah,
47:21
Speaker 2: I heard it that and Ed May and the other
47:24
Speaker 2: remote viewers managers and participants. Yeah, I listened to up.
47:29
Speaker 2: Sean is really on a journey of discovery.
47:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought that that one was really interesting because
47:36
Speaker 1: skip out Water was essentially seeing in his communication with
47:42
Speaker 1: what he supposed was an extraterrestrial being, that the extraterrestrial
47:48
Speaker 1: being told him that they don't go anywhere, like, they
47:52
Speaker 1: stay exactly where they are. They don't ever move. So
47:57
Speaker 1: the only explanation of that is like some form of
48:00
Speaker 1: like by location. So they're they're essentially duplicating their body
48:05
Speaker 1: or duplicating their craft and then bringing it into our
48:09
Speaker 1: reality and they're not even really physically here.
48:12
Speaker 6: Well I think the little grays are roboting or avatars
48:19
Speaker 6: for them to use to visit here so they don't
48:23
Speaker 6: have to come.
48:24
Speaker 2: That's me, that's what I think. Now. Look, I'm telling
48:28
Speaker 2: you well, a Lota and I had we had a
48:30
Speaker 2: thing walk up.
48:31
Speaker 3: On us in our backyard and she took a picture
48:33
Speaker 3: of it and it was a being.
48:37
Speaker 2: It was not a robot. Clear.
48:42
Speaker 1: Do you have the picture?
48:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey man, I'll show tea. I would I've yeah,
48:52
Speaker 2: let me do this.
48:55
Speaker 1: It was just.
48:58
Speaker 2: It'll take a second to bring.
48:59
Speaker 1: It up, no problem. Got all the time in the world.
49:06
Speaker 2: There you go.
49:08
Speaker 1: How's everybody doing in the tay? Get to see everybody, Julie, Carrie, Joe,
49:21
Speaker 1: one more quarter, Marissa, how's it going? Chloe? What's up? Chloe?
49:33
Speaker 1: Thanks for being a channel member and hanging in there
49:36
Speaker 1: with us ten thousand subscribers. Baby, Dana, what's going on?
49:45
Speaker 2: Oh?
49:46
Speaker 1: Okay, Calina, what's going on? Callina? Good to see you.
49:50
Speaker 1: I hope you and Rob are well. All right?
49:53
Speaker 2: This is it yep. So it's kind a little bit
49:56
Speaker 2: hard to see. So in the there's a buck the smoke.
50:00
Speaker 2: You look at stuff that's not what you're looking for.
50:03
Speaker 2: You're looking for let me show you one eye, another eye, nose,
50:14
Speaker 2: tiny little mouth, big white head, and a chin. So
50:20
Speaker 2: that is the being that walked up and talked to
50:22
Speaker 2: us six feet in front of us.
50:27
Speaker 1: Did you see the smoke?
50:30
Speaker 2: Couldn't see the smoke it was in the camera. Couldn't
50:32
Speaker 2: see it at all. There was no fog, there was
50:34
Speaker 2: no smoke, but the camera picked up the smoke. It's weird.
50:40
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Can you zoom in the center of it.
50:44
Speaker 2: Yep, that's as big as it'll zoone mm hmm.
50:54
Speaker 1: And what did it look like to you whenever you've
50:57
Speaker 1: seen this with your own eyes?
50:59
Speaker 2: It was a wiggley looking face mostly I could see that,
51:03
Speaker 2: that's it. But she knew it was coming, told me
51:06
Speaker 2: to handle the camera, set there and took a picture.
51:10
Speaker 2: And that was in the center of the picture. And
51:13
Speaker 2: this right here is not a star because she was
51:16
Speaker 2: pointing at our yard. That's some kind of or.
51:22
Speaker 1: And this was like right in front of you.
51:24
Speaker 2: This wasn't even six feet in front of us in
51:27
Speaker 2: our backyard. We were on our deck and it was
51:30
Speaker 2: in the yard. Telepathic communication.
51:37
Speaker 1: That's interesting, especially with the smoke. And you didn't see
51:41
Speaker 1: the smoke.
51:43
Speaker 2: With your own none of the smoke.
51:45
Speaker 1: What time was this taken?
51:47
Speaker 2: Probably it was night, probably ten o'clock. Let's call it
51:52
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. We like to go out and look at stuff.
51:55
Speaker 2: It was like ten o'clock at night. Gave us our instructions.
52:01
Speaker 2: We were to decide whether or not we wanted to
52:05
Speaker 2: help them with soft disclosure, and says they believe in
52:08
Speaker 2: free will. We had to agree. So we thought about
52:11
Speaker 2: it for a day and said we would do it.
52:14
Speaker 2: And there you go. And so this stuff is here.
52:16
Speaker 2: Let me show you some more stuff. This is interesting.
52:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
52:25
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got all sorts of goodies.
52:29
Speaker 1: Show us the goods.
52:33
Speaker 2: Let me give you some of our craft. Yeah, here's
52:37
Speaker 2: here's here's three of them. This was in our sky.
52:44
Speaker 2: This was in our sky. This was in our sky.
52:49
Speaker 2: And there's a triangle. And there's the other craft. And
52:53
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is and that may be
52:55
Speaker 2: a star, but there was a triangle with that craft.
53:00
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
53:04
Speaker 2: And this, you know, it's like most of these fuzzy pictures.
53:08
Speaker 2: That's the best you can do. And this was and
53:11
Speaker 2: this was video. So this is a frame from a video.
53:21
Speaker 2: Here's there's a bunch of Oh yeah, this is always
53:24
Speaker 2: a good one. We're sitting in our field and it's
53:29
Speaker 2: just about sunset. That's cassiopeia. And these things were floating
53:36
Speaker 2: in the air above our truck. We're sitting in our truck,
53:40
Speaker 2: no idea what that is, none whatsoever. Didn't talk, it
53:45
Speaker 2: just floated over like it was wanting us to see it.
53:49
Speaker 2: These are the trees and this is a field about
53:52
Speaker 2: three quarters of a mile from our house.
53:56
Speaker 1: Do you think that this is, like Terry brings up
53:58
Speaker 1: plasma being in. This has been a steady observation from
54:04
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and I think a pretty plausible
54:08
Speaker 1: theory plasmal be.
54:12
Speaker 2: There are other ones that are more clearly evident as
54:16
Speaker 2: plasma be is. Let me go find them. There's one
54:23
Speaker 2: in particular. It's just kind of you're not left any doubts.
54:28
Speaker 2: Oh this thing here, This thing flies by our house
54:35
Speaker 2: more than once a month doing some kind of surveillance
54:38
Speaker 2: and Lalla says it's alive. So the entity itself is
54:44
Speaker 2: a c it has it has a living brain.
54:52
Speaker 1: I think that makes more sense that it's like a
54:54
Speaker 1: by location type of phenomenon, because that's essentially what it
54:58
Speaker 1: would be. You would be plasma essentially if you were
55:04
Speaker 1: by locating to a different location.
55:07
Speaker 2: Totally agree. Something happened. So I had to back out.
55:11
Speaker 2: Let me go back in now trying to find one
55:15
Speaker 2: thing in particular, just to move really clear that some
55:18
Speaker 2: kind of plasma like being.
55:24
Speaker 1: Plasma.
55:26
Speaker 2: Here, here's a bunch of these craft we see. We
55:28
Speaker 2: see a bunch of those all the all the time. Okay,
55:31
Speaker 2: here's a good one. So we went out to the graveyard.
55:38
Speaker 2: So the graveyard is to our right in this picture,
55:42
Speaker 2: and this is a railroad acrossing and this thing was
55:47
Speaker 2: floating over the top of the railroad crossing. She wanted
55:50
Speaker 2: to take a picture of all of this with the moon,
55:52
Speaker 2: and that was in the picture.
55:56
Speaker 1: And don't see you gotta pull it up.
56:01
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, I forgot I keep my bad,
56:05
Speaker 2: My bad, my bad. That's all right, I'll get it.
56:12
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
56:13
Speaker 1: Boom. Here we go here it is there.
56:15
Speaker 2: So there's the railroad crossing, moon in the sky clouds,
56:19
Speaker 2: and that thing was right over the top of the
56:21
Speaker 2: railroad crossing.
56:24
Speaker 1: Zoom in a little bit on it. It looks kind of as.
56:27
Speaker 2: Far as I can go, it won't zoom anymore.
56:29
Speaker 1: M kind of looks like a streak of streak of green.
56:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows, maybe it's an orbit did did some
56:38
Speaker 2: kind of circle. But anyway, Ah, I don't find what
56:46
Speaker 2: I was wanting to show you.
56:50
Speaker 1: Carrie's got a question. Have you seen any of these
56:54
Speaker 1: entities or crafts morph?
56:57
Speaker 2: Oh?
56:57
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, we've had an or morph into a
57:03
Speaker 3: cylinder and back.
57:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sorry, I don't really see the one I
57:13
Speaker 2: wanted to show you, And I don't know why it's
57:15
Speaker 2: not in this in this library. I'll have to add
57:20
Speaker 2: it anyway. You get the idea. We have all sorts
57:25
Speaker 2: of stuff and we put it up. But there's something
57:27
Speaker 2: that I obviously haven't put in that library, which I've put.
57:30
Speaker 2: It's public. Anybody can go look at it. While and
57:33
Speaker 2: I both have it on our Facebook page. And I
57:37
Speaker 2: need to add stuff that we've forgotten to add.
57:41
Speaker 1: How long have you been looking and taking photographs and
57:46
Speaker 1: doing that kind of work.
57:48
Speaker 2: Since we moved in here in twenty twenty two? Since
57:51
Speaker 2: we got in here. So we moved in, we had
57:54
Speaker 2: poultry godsted activity almost as soon as we moved in.
57:57
Speaker 2: So I got a camera and I wanted to test
58:00
Speaker 2: it before I put it put it up and put
58:02
Speaker 2: it outside. I had three of them, so I was
58:04
Speaker 2: testing one. It was in the front hallway leading to
58:07
Speaker 2: the front door, and we went to bed and it
58:12
Speaker 2: left it running something walk you can hear it walking,
58:17
Speaker 2: flips all the lights with it goes from night mode
58:20
Speaker 2: to day mode. We see this shadowl like thing walk
58:23
Speaker 2: in front of the camera and we got a perfect,
58:28
Speaker 2: no raspy electronic voice phenomenon captured on the audio and
58:34
Speaker 2: it was her deceased boyfriend speaking hello to his son.
58:43
Speaker 2: It was his voice and he said his name. It
58:46
Speaker 2: is an amazing the piece of video. It's just amazing.
58:51
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of mimics? Er, Oh, yeah, the
58:56
Speaker 1: voice of a family member for.
58:59
Speaker 2: Us to know whether it was real or are a mimic,
59:02
Speaker 2: it sounded exactly like him to them.
59:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always thought that was really interesting, the mimic
59:11
Speaker 1: and the even like a doppelgangercis. People have been known
59:16
Speaker 1: to see things that look identical to someone that they
59:20
Speaker 1: know and it turns out that it wasn't even them.
59:22
Speaker 2: Like well, she's she is quite the she's quite the
59:26
Speaker 2: psychic and medium, and I think she would have known
59:28
Speaker 2: if it was a mimic. She does readings, for people,
59:32
Speaker 2: So yeah, cool.
59:35
Speaker 1: Well, Bob, thanks so much for coming on. Really appreciate
59:37
Speaker 1: Its a really great conversation. If people would like to
59:40
Speaker 1: check out more of your work or look at more
59:43
Speaker 1: of the photographs that you've taken of these entities or
59:45
Speaker 1: of these crafts.
59:47
Speaker 2: That name, Bob McGuire is my name on Facebook, so
59:51
Speaker 2: go look that up in the library is public.
59:55
Speaker 1: What about your your channel that.
59:57
Speaker 2: You do orbis O R B I S Paranormal p
1:00:02
Speaker 2: A r A N O R M A L orbis
1:00:05
Speaker 2: Paranormal And we do pretty much everything, not just UFOs.
1:00:11
Speaker 2: We do people who are investigating, you know, the mon
1:00:16
Speaker 2: Talk project, and people who are doing weird stuff with cryptids,
1:00:21
Speaker 2: and you get the idea. It's just boy to have
1:00:23
Speaker 2: wide ranging interests and we get interesting people on to
1:00:26
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Speaker 1: Awesome. The links to Bob's information is in the description
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