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Podcasting 2.0 - Episode 273: "Advertising is the Horse and Buggies of Podcasting" · WGKM

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  Podcasting 2.0 for October 2nd, 2026, episode 273. Advertising is
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  the horse and buggies of podcasting. Oh, I'm excited. You
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  know why I'm excited? Because things are changing in the
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  world faster than, well, just faster. Faster than the days
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  of the BlinkTag and HTML, probably. Okay. It's time for
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  the board meeting of Podcasting 2.0. Yeah, we are the
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  merry band of misfits that make it all happen right
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  here for you. Everything in podcasting is going down right
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  here. We are, in fact, the only board meeting that
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  is cheaper than a gallon of diesel, but only barely.
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  I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas
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  Hill Country and in Alabama. The man who pushes out
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  65. 5 terabytes a month and then just goes for
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  a walk. Say hello to my friend on the other
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  end, the one and only Mr. Dave Jones! I stumbled
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  through it. Yeah, that was better than last week. One
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  of these days I'll figure out how to do this
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  podcasting stuff. Just getting started. The bot is too verbose.
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  That's the problem. That was my own writing. Thank you
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  very much. Well, I can't tell anymore. I know. You're
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  mixing and matching. The bot is too good. I'm excited
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  today, Jave Dones. Man, you are a good bud. We
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  had an hour and a half sales meeting starting at
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  10. Oh, yes, yes. But it was actually, it was
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  quite, you know, the Christian broadcasters are my favorite because
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  they're so excited. They want everything. They love it. And
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  then like, but, you know, we got no money. You
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  know, we're really poor. Yes, yes. Okay. Not even that.
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  But I think it's because of like. Wait a minute.
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  Where's the hidden fees? This can't be your price. There's
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  too much going on here. I can tell they're worried
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  about that. Oh, well, they don't. That just that just
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  tells me they don't they don't know who we are.
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  Yeah, because in fact, I said, do you know who
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  I am? Oh, yes. I mean, if anybody knows us,
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  the term like undercharging, that's going to be on my
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  tombstone. I never charge anybody enough for anything. So this
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  has been a very exciting week for me. Oh, you
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  got a buzz. Your buzz is back. I heard it.
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  It is? I did. It's faint. Just move the Choco
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  Love a little bit to the left. No, I don't
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  even have chocolate today. It's got to be something else.
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  You never have chocolate. You have Choco Love. I don't
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  have Choco Love either. You need Choco Love. Hello, boardroom.
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  Chad said that I tune into the wrong stream. I
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  don't know. Are we streaming? Are we streaming? Yeah. Okay.
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  Yes. Jave Doan. So, okay. Oh, yes. I got you.
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  They were listening. They were listening. Okay. So, where to
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  start? Oh, I like it when it's a big one.
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  I've got a big one, too. That's what she said.
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  There it is! There it is! I hope not. Woo!
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  Got it. Okay. Mine may be bigger than yours. Okay.
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  We'll measure. We'll lay them both out and measure. Roll
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  them out. Get the yardstick. And I mean yardstick. So,
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  man, so much has been going on in my brain
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  ever since this phenomenal shift in In the robot landscape.
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  And by that I mean Muse specifically. where everyone's zigging
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  and Zuckerberg zagged, and he comes up with Muse, and
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  it is an actual useful robot. Not trying to be
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  your buddy, trying to help you out. And I've been
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  experimenting with this thing and I'm like, okay, I can
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  see where people will use this and go, wow, this
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  is kind of handy. It can do things for my
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  life. And I'm not going to get into the depths
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  of that. At the same time, I'm always thinking, what
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  can we do with podcasting? What can we do with
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  podcasting? If I were to say to you, what is
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  the biggest problem in podcasting? What would you say? uh
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  growing your show okay yeah that yeah yes discovery yes
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  thank you discoverability you're right i'm trying to think of
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  all the words that come at the end of the
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  biggest problem in podcasting discovery yes exactly discovery and i
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  i'm quite confident that the entire push to video comes
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  from people seeing one thing on YouTube and one thing
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  only, which is discovery, the algo. It's popping stuff up.
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  It's where people can find your show, and then you
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  can entice them to subscribe to your show, and then
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  you can use HLS video and make them – and,
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  of course, we heard from Sam Sethi last week that
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  it's not really exploding the way – Some might have
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  expected it's exploding exactly the way I expected, which is
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  not exploding. And the problem really is discoverability. And we
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  have all these wonderful tags that provide for great discoverability.
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  Yeah. And recommendation, pod roll, trailers, person, clip, location. I
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  mean, it's all there, right? It's a virtual smorgasbord. Of
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  discovery tags. Yes. So two weeks ago, and we have
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  been joking about this internally, but... We had a client
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  meeting, and at some point someone threw out a term
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  AEO, and it was like, oh, man, this is some
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  Silicon Valley stuff here. What is AEO? Oh, yeah, I
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  remember. This is the entrepreneur thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What
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  did it stand for? Ask Engine Optimization. Okay. Exactly. And
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  we were laughing about that. And then I was thinking,
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  you know, If only my agent, my robot, could use
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  some of this ask engine optimization to find things for
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  me in the world of podcasting. So I've been thinking
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  about this. And so I decided to cobble something together.
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  Oh, okay. And – Oh, is this show and tell?
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  It's a show and tell, yes. And I'm just thinking
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  like how can we lift all boats because if Apple
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  is going to do something, it's going to benefit Apple.
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  If Spotify is going to do something, it's going to
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  benefit Spotify. And how do we get – The podcasters
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  to ask their hosting companies to add some of these
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  new tags for discoverability to, in fact, as you said,
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  grow your show. Besides getting your own dot com, you
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  need to grow your show. Todd is speaking to me
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  from heaven right now. And so I put together an
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  MCP server. Oh, okay. Okay. Why are you laughing? Why
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  are you laughing? Why are you laughing, white man? Why
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  are you laughing? Why are you laughing at me? Shut
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  up. Shut up. Now I got to go find it.
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  I'm laughing because you railed at James the other day
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  for the MCP server. and then you built one. Well,
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  in fact, I built one that has all the X402
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  payment rails built in. They're not turned on, of course,
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  because I am completely expecting... in the near future, which
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  could be a week, a month, a year, five years,
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  I don't know. And that this consortium of Coinbase and
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  Cloudflare and, you know, there's a lot of people involved
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  in robot transactions. And in fact, X402 just added lightning.
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  And, you know, so I can see this coming down
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  the pike. So I'm like, you know, maybe the podcast
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  index can benefit from that. But right now it's not
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  turned on. And so I set up this MCP server
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  and holy crap, the experiential results for myself have been
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  nothing short of amazing. And I mean, like my so
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  I'm using Muse. I'm using a lot of different robots,
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  but I'm using Muse. as a consumer would do. Now,
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  Muse does a lot of interesting things. It integrates. I'll
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  give an example. So I give it a lot of
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  permissions on purpose because I want to see how it's
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  doing, you know, how it works. And so I said,
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  why don't you... integrate with my text messages. That'll be
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  a good start there. So I let it. Yikes. No,
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  I'm okay. I let it. I haven't gotten any text
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  from you yet. So that's. From your bot pretending to
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  be. And so it's doing stuff like, good morning, Adam,
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  Psalm for the day, Friday, October 2nd. This is the
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  day the Lord has made. We will rejoice and be
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  glad in it. And it goes through a couple of
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  things here and says, Friday can carry a particular way,
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  can't they? This week is winding down, but the big
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  moments often land. A demo with everything riding on it.
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  So it already knew I had this demo this morning.
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  So it's weaving that into how it's speaking to me.
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  A conversation that could open a door. Tempting to spend
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  the morning rehearsing outcomes instead of receiving. seaving the day,
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  blah, blah, blah, blah. So before your first cup is
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  empty, name three things about today that are already good
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  simply because he made them. Let the rejoicing come first.
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  Then go show them what Godcaster can do. So, you
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  know, little things like that. And they'll say, hey, you
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  know what? I've moved your reminder to... do the backwash
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  on the pool to tomorrow because it's raining right now.
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  And it was, of course, raining. So it's these little
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  things like that is not bad. By the way, Tina
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  finds it's one of the creepiest things in the universe,
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  but not bad. I think I'm on Tina's side. Okay.
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  I'm a little creeped out by it, yeah. You know,
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  people at the beginning of the internet said, I'm never
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  going to put my credit card on the internet. Why
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  would anyone ever, ever want to send somebody an email?
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  This is ridiculous. I've been through this loop. I'm 62.
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  I've been around the block. Yes. And then my robot
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  also says... You know, this was published this morning, about
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  20 minutes, the first new episode since you subscribed. Ron
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  takes on what he calls a growing crisis in the
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  church, Christians who own Bibles but don't know them. I
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  think you might want to listen to this episode. Play
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  it, cut me a clip, skip, give me a summary.
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  And when I click on it, it opens up Podcast
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  Guru for me with that episode. So... This. Idea. I
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  think is big because when you look at this MCP
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  server, and I'm going to open it up now to
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  the boardroom. There we go. PodcastIndexRobot.com. It has a very
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  simple explanation. of things you can do. You can just
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  ask your robot, what's new in my shows? Find the
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  part where they talk about X, who was the guest?
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  Where else is this guest? Surprise me. What's made in
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  Austin? How do I support this show? Hey, check for
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  every 15 minutes if a new episode about this topic
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  is out. It looks at PodPing. It looks at all
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  of our data sets. It's using my API key. It's
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  rate limited. Don't worry, Dave Jones. Okay. But the results
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  are astounding. It is giving me recommendations for literally Christians
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  and Bitcoin show. I never knew it existed. It's taking
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  that from my interest that it already knows. It's making
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  suggestions. It's making suggestions. It is maintaining watch over when
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  a new episode drops. It even said, hey, there's no
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  Pod News Weekly Review today. It looks like it will
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  probably come out on Sunday, so hope you're not too
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  disappointed. Here's something else I have in mind for you.
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  It's blowing my mind. Well, how did – How does
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  it know that Pod News Weekly Review won't be out
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  until Sunday? How did it get that piece of information?
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  I don't care. It's magic. That's valid. I mean, that's
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  a valid answer. Well, because it looked at the transcript,
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  and I guess it derived from the previous episode's transcript,
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  that that is the schedule maybe for now or maybe
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  for next week. I really don't know. I know there's
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  not an episode today. Yeah. And it said, but here's
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  the pod news daily. And interestingly enough, the robot tells
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  me this. James is talking about the very thing we're
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  trying to solve here because Apple just decided to change
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  something with the with the highlighting of shows by region,
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  even giving less ways for people to discover things. Yeah.
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  But now, and you'll see if you look at that
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  page, you're looking at the page saved, you have the
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  page. You're looking at the page. Well, are you looking
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  at podcastindexrobot.com? Yes. I was trying to get Pi to
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  go grab the MCP server docs while you were talking,
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  but it was too slow. Okay. I relented and I
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  went back. I'm using eyeballs. I'm using actual eyeballs. All
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  right. So it's a slash MCP for the... And you
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  can see, you know, I have a piece for humans
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  and a piece for robots, and I'm giving everybody a
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  little simple way to hook it up to your favorite
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  robot, you know, instructions for everybody. But in most of
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  these things, you just blast that URL and it goes,
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  oh, I see it's an MTP server. Okay, I'll connect
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  it for you. It is. And what I like about
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  it is it also has a thing for podcasters. You
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  can say, where do I have it here? It's here
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  somewhere. Rate my feed. And it will tell you what
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  tags you could use for your Ask Engine optimization. Okay,
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  okay. And it really is quite astounding how well this
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  works. Now, the way I... What does it do? Okay,
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  I'll let you finish, and then I'll ask my questions.
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  Okay. So one...
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  Once you hook it up, if you look at the
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  page, it gives you human commands you can give it.
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  So what the server does is not that much. The
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  server will understand when your robot – so you tell
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  your robot, hey, I really want to know something about
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  accounting on October 5th. If there's any new episodes anywhere
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  of any podcast in the entire universe, let me know
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  if something pops up and suggest it to me. Your
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  robot will remember these things. Your robot is going to
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  use this as one extra data source to enhance your
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  life, make things better for you, help you discover new
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  podcasts. And I've only tried it on Muse so far,
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  but it's doing it. It has taken this as a
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  data source. It's like, okay. Adam wants podcasts. And, you
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  know, like, hey, I'm going to go to Austin on
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  Wednesday, find something for me to listen to. But I
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  want it to be about this topic and it's going
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  to go and find it. And the cool thing is
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  it's player agnostic. So I use podcast guru is my
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  go to. So every link it pops up for an
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  episode. It's a podcast guru link. So it opens up
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  Podcast Guru, the one I'm already familiar with. So it's
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  agnostic and it helps everybody. I really think that people
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  are going to use their Muse, their GrokBot, their Dots,
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  their chat GPT. They're going to use this in their
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  life in a way that they want to enhance their
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  life. People are always looking for something to do, something
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  to listen to, or maybe something to watch. And I
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  have a feeling that this MCP server, which I just
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  call the Podcasting Next Robot, will help people discover things
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  and will help podcasts be discovered for whatever reason. So
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  just if you've connected it to your, was it Pi?
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  Just say, okay, what's a podcast near here? I don't
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  think a single podcast app has location search built in
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  yet. I'm sorry, except for true fans, obviously. Well, and
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  the... And the canonical Alberto location, Atlas. Right, right. But
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  now you can just type it into your robot where
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  you're already scheduling your life doing things. So... So what
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  I told Pi was when you first dropped the URL
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  for me, I said – What did I say? I
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  said, go look at podcastindexrobot.com and find the MCP server
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  documentation. Somehow about four turn about about I don't know
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  four paragraphs of thinking in it started decomp trying to
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  recompile Omarite in Omarji. Yeah. It says, Omerite is a
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  compiled QT6 binary, a GUI markdown. I'm like, what are
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  we even doing? So I hit escape, and I said,
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  stop fiddling with Omerite and just figure out how to
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  use Podcast Index Robot. And so now it's actually doing
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  something. So I'm going to – as soon as I
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  get a chance, as soon as it stops mucking around,
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  I'm going to – Actually, give it a thing, but
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  I don't – so – So give me your idea.
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  I mean, because this is this is this is cool.
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  Very, this is, I mean, an MCP server into the
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  podcast index. Mm-hmm. We've been kicking that around, and I
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  think what you're – I think what your – an
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  MCP server by itself is just – it's just API.
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  So I think what your flavor on top of this
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  is is the more interesting part. And what I'm –
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  what I think I'm hearing from you is that you
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  think – This will solve discovery By making people, by
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  giving the people the ability to interact with podcasting the
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  way they use a search engine like Google. I'm saying
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  it's almost, first of all, it's better than Google. It's
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  more like YouTube. But you can also just say... find,
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  because it's looking at the fire hose too. At least,
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  you know, I say, hey, find something that came out
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  in the last 15 minutes. Now, your agent, your robot
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  is going to have to set that up. But mine
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  did it without me asking. I didn't say, you know,
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  hey, make sure you track everything. I just said... So
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  check every 15 minutes. Let me know if anything new
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  has come out with this topic. And so it's looking
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  at the fire hose and it's going back. It's retracing
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  all the pod pings and seeing what came out. It's
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  looking for live tags because I said, hey, if anything
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  goes live, if everyone's streaming live, let me know. So
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  it's parsing for that. All these sample questions are in
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  the human readable document at the top of that page.
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  So you have to kind of – and there's a
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  what can I do. So for instance, I just said
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  grade my feed, and I gave it the podcast index
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  or the podcasting 2.0 feed. It actually has a couple
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  things. Yeah. Chapters carry no images. Let's see. Now, which
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  feed is this? Podcasting 2.0. Oh, okay. It even looked
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  at the value splits. My robot has decided to tell
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  me you can support this show. Click on this button
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  here. Pops up a card, and it's a value tag
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  button, and I can boost the show. It also is
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  giving me lightning boostograms. It's doing without me asking for
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  it. So it's got an MCP tools list. Mm-hmm. One
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  of them is surprise me. Yes, exactly. And the first
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  word is serendipity. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, I love how
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  we call random number generators serendipity now. This is the
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  pseudo-random number generators, I mean. Feed activity, podping events. Okay.
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  Real-time feed activity from podping. Which feeds announced an update
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  went live since a time? Updates arriving this. Okay. There's
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  a lot of tools here. Yes. So did you walk
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  the pod roll? This is really cool. When I say,
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  what else sounds like no agenda? It gives me everything
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  from the pod roll that I have in no agenda.
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  So now it behooves people to be in my pod
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  role, for me to be in their pod role, podcast
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  near me, clip this moment, or just say, you know,
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  like I use this with This Week in Bitcoin. And
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  so first it pops up a description when the new
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  episode dropped. And say, hey, Chris LAS has a new
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  episode of This Week in Bitcoin. Here's what he's talking
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  about. It's not the description per se from his description
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  tag, although some of it is. But it also will
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  go into the transcript, read it, parse it, and say,
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  would you like a clip of this? Yeah, let me
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  hear a clip of that. Yeah. Chad F said, can
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  it fix key send? I don't think anything can fix
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  key send, Chad. So I think – I think where
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  the – it seems like the magic has to happen
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  at the client. Yes, of course it does. And so
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  let me – okay, so let me kind of ask
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  my questions. So if – So you built the MCP.
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  Mm-hmm. And then all of these things that you're doing,
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  all these interactions you're having with MCP is all going
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  currently through Muse. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. But it
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  works on Claude, too. I've tried it with Claude. It's
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  okay. It's the same. So the thing with… I don't
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  know anything about Muse, so I'm really in the dark
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  about what the thing is. I don't even know what
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  it is. Okay. Muse is a harness that sits on
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  top of several meta LLMs. You get your own virtual
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  machine, but for people who just, oh, I saw this
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  on Instagram or Facebook, I'm going to get Muse. See,
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  download Muse. It's soul.md. Literally says, you're not a chat
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  bot. You know, you're here to help this person. And
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  you can actually just ask for it. What is the
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  soul.md? You can use it on the browser. You can
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  use the app. It doesn't matter. But it's a whole
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  virtual machine. If you say show me your files, it
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  shows all the files that it has. You can use
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  FFmpeg and all the tools. It's basically a little personalized
• 24:15
  VM running on top of the LLMs that run somewhere
• 24:20
  in the meta cloud. And OK, but it's for you.
• 24:23
  It's just it's only listening to you. Very similar to
• 24:26
  GrokBot that also gives you a VM. But there you
• 24:29
  can get multiple bot. You can set up multiple bots.
• 24:32
  One of them could be your podcast bot. Always be
• 24:34
  looking for this. In fact, I gave it to Dana
• 24:36
  Brunetti. He's like, holy crap, I can't believe it. He
• 24:40
  says, I just want to know where my name is
• 24:41
  mentioned. All right, we'll put it in. Boom, 78 episodes
• 24:44
  of no agenda. There it is. So how it did
• 24:47
  that? It used the MCP. These things are becoming hot.
• 24:52
  You have to go back to the vision. And this
• 24:54
  is not, why are you roughing again? No, don't raff.
• 24:58
  I'm not raffing. I'm just – I had myself muted,
• 25:05
  and I came back from – From choking of laughter.
• 25:10
  No, no, no, no. I'm not – I promise you
• 25:12
  I'm not raffing. What is happening with these, and I'm
• 25:18
  seeing this all around me, this is what I do.
• 25:20
  Some would say I have one of my spiritual gifts
• 25:23
  is prophecy. That's why I'm always 10 years too early
• 25:27
  with everything, brother. That's why I always pave the way
• 25:30
  for the Jesus behind me, and I never make any
• 25:33
  money. So I want to reiterate that I'm truly not
• 25:39
  laughing at this. Since I'm a little – It's hard
• 25:45
  to explain. I'm having – I'm doing a lot with
• 25:51
  MCP and that kind of thing with the day job
• 25:53
  and that kind of thing. I'm actually deeply into this
• 25:56
  pool here. And – And what I'm a little struggling
• 26:05
  with is – Just the muse aspect of this thing
• 26:11
  and the unpredictability angle of. Ah, you call it unpredictability.
• 26:20
  I call it discoverability. Yeah. Thank you. Serendipity. Serendipity. Yeah.
• 26:27
  So I'm trying not to interrupt as much as I
• 26:31
  can because I want you to roll. Good. OK, so
• 26:34
  let's go back to the future that I see. OK,
• 26:38
  the future that I see ahead. The world is changing
• 26:42
  in unbelievable ways. Right now, we're already accustomed to seeing
• 26:48
  the six communist dictators on X pretending that they're in
• 26:52
  an episode of Friends. It's called Comrades. You've probably all
• 26:56
  seen it. It's hilarious. We're seeing people... Creating movie scenes,
• 27:01
  all kinds of stuff. That is just one aspect of
• 27:04
  what super intelligence is doing. But with these personalized robots,
• 27:11
  which is not a chat bot, it is something that
• 27:14
  has been put into the marketplace. And Muse, I think,
• 27:17
  is the. The best example, though, GrokBot is there as
• 27:20
  well. It is, people will, because they will, allow it
• 27:27
  to integrate into their lives. And so when I tested
• 27:31
  this as a consumer and fully well knowing what I'm
• 27:35
  doing here, I'm aware of all of the potential pitfalls
• 27:39
  of allowing Muse, which is on my phone, to read
• 27:44
  my text messages. So when it looks and it can
• 27:48
  read my calendar, and so when it looks at my
• 27:53
  text messages, and sees what I'm discussing with my friend,
• 27:59
  Pastor Jimmy, and then later it says, hey, you know,
• 28:04
  And based upon what I said to Pastor Jimmy, it
• 28:07
  says, hey, we've had some really bad rain here. The
• 28:11
  big storms predicted. Looks like really bad rain. Pastor Jimmy
• 28:16
  and Annette may not want to drive out on 87
• 28:19
  tomorrow night. That's too night. for dinner. And Phoebe probably
• 28:23
  will need to sleep in your room again. That's based
• 28:27
  upon something I said to Jimmy in a text message.
• 28:32
  But I didn't say anything about the weather. So here
• 28:34
  it is. Weather heads up, National Weather Service, Flood Watch,
• 28:38
  blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if you're out for
• 28:40
  errands this afternoon, which I was yesterday, you're out for
• 28:43
  errands. Earlier is wetter. Tonight's rehearsal is Jimmy's call because
• 28:46
  he had to go to church to rehearse. Looks like
• 28:48
  a coin flip with showers lingering overnight. And Phoebe may
• 28:51
  want company again after this morning. So it's giving me
• 28:54
  a helpful hint intertwined with my life. Creepy. Yeah, absolutely.
• 28:59
  I got it. But people like creepy. People crave creepy.
• 29:04
  They want creepy algorithms all day long, and now it's
• 29:07
  personalized creepy. So my thinking was, if it's creeping on
• 29:11
  your life anyway, why not give it this extra wealth
• 29:16
  of information so that you can finally get some audio,
• 29:20
  mainly audio, but of course video will work, podcast RSS-based
• 29:23
  content. information, entertainment, infotainment, edutainment, call it what you want,
• 29:31
  based upon what your life is like at this very
• 29:34
  moment, based upon your interests. It knows to get me
• 29:38
  podcasts that, I mean, I don't want the hymns, podcast
• 29:44
  I want the Josh Howard's in podcast and I don't
• 29:48
  want to listen every Josh Howard's in podcast but I
• 29:50
  want to listen to it when he says something that
• 29:53
  interests me so the agent the robot is out there
• 29:56
  looking for new things all the time on its
• 30:00
  own schedule. I didn't set the cron job. It did
• 30:02
  that itself. And it's literally a cron job. And it
• 30:05
  is now parsing through the MCP to make my life
• 30:09
  better. That's the whole idea. And that's where discoverability, serendipity,
• 30:17
  enjoyability, and conversely, discoverability and growing your show comes together.
• 30:23
  And it's podcast agnostic. So I use what do you
• 30:29
  use? What app do you use? Podcast Guru. OK, every
• 30:31
  single time I find something, when you click on it,
• 30:33
  it'll open up the podcast guru. This is the future
• 30:38
  that I see. Man, I've got... I'm glad that you
• 30:48
  laid the whole thing out because – If this is
• 30:53
  the future, Then... The podcast industry is effed. No, exactly
• 31:01
  the opposite. What do you mean? It's the opposite. Because
• 31:08
  this... And just a slight change of just looking at
• 31:15
  it from your from the angle you're seeing it at
• 31:18
  now. your ride. This is the future. With a slight...
• 31:26
  different angle it's the end why because what comes next
• 31:35
  This is what you described is what you described is
• 31:39
  is amazing. It's it. It absolutely is amazing. But if
• 31:47
  it gets to that point, Then the natural next step,
• 31:52
  which is only is not even a step, it's like
• 31:55
  an inch, is. And is what you said in the
• 31:59
  middle of that is I don't want to listen to
• 32:02
  all of this person. I just want to listen to
• 32:06
  the parts that interest me. And what happens next is
• 32:10
  everybody's app just starts pulling clips out of podcasts. assembling
• 32:17
  them into a synthetic feed that it feeds back to
• 32:20
  Podcast Addict. And now you're no longer a podcast listener.
• 32:26
  You're a podcast... Scraper. Okay. Well, when that happens, all
• 32:32
  the advertising no longer applies. Nobody's hearing ads. The whole
• 32:38
  thing collapses. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
• 32:42
  I'm just saying that the podcast industry, quote, unquote, I'm
• 32:46
  using that term on purpose here. Mm-hmm. The podcast industry
• 32:49
  as we know it, it's over. Okay, first of all,
• 32:53
  this has already happened with podcasting. This is when people
• 32:58
  are morons and put their crap on YouTube and Instagram
• 33:01
  and shorts. My wife doesn't listen to Megyn Kelly anymore.
• 33:05
  She's, oh, no, there was this 12-minute YouTube video. Gone
• 33:09
  are all the opportunities for Megyn Kelly to promote and
• 33:13
  do everything. People putting stuff on YouTube shorts, which monetize
• 33:17
  at a 10 to 1 ratio over the regular YouTube
• 33:21
  video. Gone is all – possibility of someone watching something
• 33:28
  when you put it on Instagram. This has already happened.
• 33:31
  Now, what you're saying, maybe that may happen, but I
• 33:34
  personally believe that when it comes to audio specifically, specifically,
• 33:40
  people will... want to find things to listen to, and
• 33:45
  in a very busy world, will actually want to hear
• 33:49
  a 30-minute, one-hour podcast. hour and a half podcast. People
• 33:54
  will want their robot to cue something up that they
• 33:57
  can listen to on their drive, which is going to
• 34:00
  be four and a half hours to Dallas. People will
• 34:03
  want that. I can't change what people want. I can
• 34:07
  change the opportunity to for discoverability with all of the
• 34:13
  tags we have built i believe this will drive incredible
• 34:16
  demand for adoption of tags of location pod role person
• 34:22
  i mean the idea that i want to hear Oh,
• 34:25
  this is a pretty good interview with this person on
• 34:27
  Rogan. What other interviews has this person done? Oh, well,
• 34:31
  here's three other episodes from different podcasts. Now, what you're
• 34:34
  saying, yeah, it's possible that people will only want a
• 34:39
  feed of clips. That's possible. But these people are lost
• 34:43
  to humanity anyway. And maybe that's what happens. I can't
• 34:47
  predict that. I don't think that the issue is the
• 34:52
  clip part. I think the issue that I'm seeing is...
• 34:57
  The power that you described to do If Muse is
• 35:02
  this thing as you describe and it's good, free somehow,
• 35:09
  I don't know how this works. No, this is what
• 35:11
  I said. I said it's got X402 built in and
• 35:14
  when that money starts getting turned on and MCP servers
• 35:19
  start charging, we're going to turn it on. Okay. Well,
• 35:22
  regardless... When the... It's free to podcast. Guru talks to
• 35:28
  our index for free. Right, right. I got you. What
• 35:33
  I'm saying is that... It's not the clip part. That
• 35:39
  is the that is what I'm seeing as the, you
• 35:43
  know, the cliff that the podcast industry goes off of.
• 35:47
  It's the the power because what you know, what what
• 35:51
  is the next what is the next thing you say?
• 35:55
  Well, I'm. You know, hey, I don't I really want
• 35:58
  to listen to this podcast, the Better Offline podcast with
• 36:01
  Zitron. But it's got nine minutes of ads in a
• 36:04
  15 minute show. Take all the ads out. Oh, OK.
• 36:08
  But I've been saying this for years. I've been saying
• 36:12
  people will build their own podcast experiences that will strip
• 36:15
  all that stuff out. I've been saying that for years.
• 36:17
  You have. You have. But until now, it required somebody
• 36:22
  building one of these stupid apps that was really bad
• 36:25
  at stripping ads. It's not like you've described. You've described
• 36:30
  something that is this powerful enough to do it perfectly
• 36:33
  every time. And that is that is a game changer.
• 36:37
  And I'm really sorry I ruined the podcast industrial complex.
• 36:40
  I'm very sorry. Boo, boo, effing who. Now, I will
• 36:45
  also say that from my own experience. The percentage of
• 36:50
  people who finish a podcast episode, now that's probably a
• 36:55
  little different with a daily like pod news, three to
• 36:59
  five minutes or three to six minutes. But in my
• 37:04
  experience, all of my podcasts, including this one. And we
• 37:08
  can probably look at OP3 stats. It's probably about 45%
• 37:14
  that finish the podcast that start listening. That's just a
• 37:17
  fact of life. So that's why I talked about this
• 37:20
  up front because I want more people to hear it.
• 37:24
  That's just a fact. Yeah. You are absolutely right. In
• 37:27
  fact, let's just let's we're doing it live. Let's try
• 37:30
  it live. Do it. OK. I want you to get
• 37:34
  the latest episode of Ed Zitron's Better Offline podcast, but
• 37:39
  strip out all the ads at the beginning. Let's see
• 37:43
  what happens. In the end. Well, I just did the
• 37:45
  beginning. Okay. So let's see what happens. Let's see what
• 37:50
  it does. Yeah. Yeah, so that's... So now James is
• 37:58
  going to report me for copyright infringement. This... Yeah, this
• 38:07
  is a game changer. I don't think that doing all
• 38:13
  this stuff – I've had my own experience with this,
• 38:17
  and I don't know that we're going to have any
• 38:19
  time to get into it at all, but I do
• 38:20
  want to follow up on it in the future. I've
• 38:24
  had my own experience with this whole idea of –
• 38:29
  bring like How do we deal with the power that
• 38:36
  these tools have given us so fast? But it's not
• 38:39
  my – that's not – the tool is not my
• 38:40
  problem. No, I'm not saying it is. I'm totally not
• 38:44
  saying that it's anybody's problem. I agree with you. I
• 38:50
  don't think it is anybody's problem because once the –
• 38:54
  concept and the power to do a thing with technology,
• 39:00
  once it becomes known, it will be done. Yes. And
• 39:05
  I think I made that – On earth as it
• 39:07
  is in heaven. Yeah, exactly. And I think I made
• 39:13
  this – I think I may have – Talked about
• 39:15
  this in a blog post when I was saying that
• 39:17
  advertising – I think I wrote a blog post maybe
• 39:20
  a couple years ago about advertising is going to –
• 39:23
  it cannot hold up. Right, but by the same token,
• 39:28
  let's just presume that this 402 stuff happens. And there's
• 39:34
  a lot of bigger companies than our little ragtag here
• 39:38
  who are working very hard to integrate this, this whole
• 39:42
  AI bot commerce. And I truly believe that will happen.
• 39:46
  And this is good. Well, let me get to that
• 39:48
  part in a second. It's very possible that we will
• 39:52
  move to a... world where, like subscriptions, there will be
• 40:00
  a 402 subscription. And your agent will say, hey, I
• 40:06
  can listen to Ed Zitron, no ads. But it's going
• 40:10
  to cost you a dollar or whatever for you to
• 40:13
  access it. I can totally see that happening. Now, you
• 40:17
  don't have to do that. You can be value for
• 40:19
  value. You can be completely non-commercial, as the majority of
• 40:23
  podcasts are, just for doing it. But this world... Amazon
• 40:30
  has blocked Muse from accessing its website, and for good
• 40:35
  reason, because they are crapping their pants. This thing will
• 40:39
  go, well, you know, I can get this on Amazon,
• 40:42
  but I can get it directly from Google. the retailer
• 40:46
  or the manufacturer and looking at the price you know
• 40:49
  i can actually get it cheaper over here but it'll
• 40:51
  take you three days to get it instead of amazon's
• 40:53
  overnight i predict in the Even retail is doing dynamic
• 40:59
  pricing. Go look at McDonald's. They're not doing dynamic pricing,
• 41:03
  doing it by geography, but it will suit. Like Uber,
• 41:06
  they charge me more just because they know that I'll
• 41:08
  pay for it. They surge Big Mac. Yeah. So but
• 41:13
  then I can arbitrage. You know, Mr. Curry wants the
• 41:18
  Big Mac for $5, not your $6, but he's going
• 41:22
  to order four other Happy Meals to go with it.
• 41:25
  Do you accept the price? I'm seeing this coming down
• 41:28
  the pike like it's just like a freight train coming.
• 41:32
  I can see it. The whole world is going to
• 41:34
  change. By the way, my Muse app is still on.
• 41:37
  crunching away so i have no idea what it's going
• 41:39
  to do i have no idea i have no idea
• 41:42
  yeah we're doing it live um so this is happening
• 41:46
  whether we want it or not i'm just saying what
• 41:50
  an amazing opportunity that nobody else can do we are
• 41:55
  the only ones apple's not going to do this For
• 41:58
  Spotify, they're only going to want to do it for
• 42:01
  things through Apple and on the Apple podcast app. And
• 42:05
  I guarantee you Siri will do certain things like this.
• 42:10
  Spotify will probably be much worse. You know, who knows
• 42:13
  what those guys will do. But we are agnostic. And,
• 42:18
  hey, this is the whole kit and caboodle that we
• 42:21
  got. And, you know, you could probably tell your robot,
• 42:26
  hey, build me a player and show me the images
• 42:28
  and all that if you want to. But, you know,
• 42:31
  I like Podcast Guru. And I even said, find a
• 42:35
  most recent podcast that has... I went technical on it.
• 42:41
  So that has HLS video in the alternate enclosure. Sure.
• 42:43
  Here's the most recent one this week in Bitcoin. I'd
• 42:46
  never seen Chris. on camera. And you know what? I'm
• 42:49
  sorry that I did. It ruined a lot for me.
• 42:55
  I really love the shot from behind kind of in
• 42:58
  the dark. I'm like, oh, that's very cool. I'm like,
• 43:00
  oh, you can't unsee it, right? Yeah. And then I
• 43:03
  got the, you know, the shot from the side with
• 43:06
  all the very different lighting. I'm like, oh, Chris, I
• 43:08
  didn't. I had a different version of you in my
• 43:11
  mind. Chris, why do you look like that? Stop. Go
• 43:14
  look the way I thought you looked. Exactly. So I
• 43:18
  want to be on the forefront of this. I want
• 43:23
  us to all benefit. I want the... uh podcasters it's
• 43:27
  coming it's coming whether we do it or someone else
• 43:30
  does it it's coming i want you to have all
• 43:33
  of these aeo tags which is exactly what they are
• 43:37
  when you know i always have to question myself when
• 43:40
  i scoff at someone like ask engine optimization no they're
• 43:44
  straight up right This is an ask engine optimization play,
• 43:50
  and the optimization comes from having all of these tags.
• 43:54
  You know how much trouble I went through to find
• 43:58
  we get to do this by looking in my neighborhood
• 44:01
  on Alberto's map? Well, I just said to my muse
• 44:05
  robot, say, find some podcasts near me. Boom. Spit out
• 44:08
  a whole list. This one's right around the corner. This
• 44:11
  is over here. This is in Kerrville. This is in
• 44:13
  Bernie. I'm like, wow. That's what I'm talking about. Now,
• 44:18
  it's a lot of work for people. By the way,
• 44:21
  app developer, you can build this into your app. Have
• 44:25
  people connect their robot to your app and then talk
• 44:28
  to the MCP server. This is, to me, this is
• 44:32
  one of the most, I'm just as excited about this
• 44:36
  as I am when Mark Andreessen said, hey. Check out
• 44:41
  this thing. You can put it on your Headless Sun
• 44:43
  3. It's called HCTPD. It's version 1.2. And use this
• 44:48
  Mosaic thing and then turn your MTV.com server from a
• 44:53
  Gopher server into this. When I saw that, my mind,
• 44:57
  I went, what?
• 45:00
  uh I quit MTV after that. I'm like, oh, I
• 45:05
  got to be here. I got to be here. Oh,
• 45:08
  here we go. Done. Today's better offline monologue, Anthropics $413
• 45:13
  billion burden with the opening ad block removed. The raw
• 45:17
  file was 12 minutes and 36, but the actual episode
• 45:21
  is only 638, really. The rest was dynamically inserted ads.
• 45:26
  I stripped the full two-minute and 54 pre-roll movie promo,
• 45:30
  Odo, brilliant Nissan Levi's, and verified the new file opens
• 45:35
  on ads. Hello! Welcome to this week in Better Offline
• 45:38
  Monologue. Heads up, there's also about three minutes of ads
• 45:42
  after the sign-off, Zep, Bound, Chase, etc. Say the word
• 45:45
  and I'll trim the tail too. Here we go. Music
• 45:50
  Whole Zone Media. Hello and welcome to this week's Better
• 45:54
  Offline Monologue. I'm your host, Ed Zee. Boom! Shakalaka! I'm
• 45:58
  telling you, you nailed it. You have seen the future!
• 46:01
  You have seen the future! Man, it's over. Yes, it's
• 46:09
  over. I'm sorry, but it's over. Mm-hmm. But it's not
• 46:13
  over for podcasting. No, it's over for the podcast industry.
• 46:19
  Possibly, yeah. Not possibly, definitely. I'm telling you, that is
• 46:26
  the end. I'm... Without words. I'm excited. Clearly, all of
• 46:36
  this stuff has been possible. That's not the – that's
• 46:40
  not – game over, man. Game over. I mean, like,
• 46:45
  clearly it's been possible. We've seen this coming. And for
• 46:54
  a long time, it's just... It's so it's it's there
• 47:00
  now. It's just it's just you can't you can't say
• 47:03
  that, oh, well, nobody's going to listen to ads anymore
• 47:07
  when you have to go download a separate app that
• 47:10
  uses some iPhone model that you may your device may
• 47:13
  or may not support. And it's extracting half the episode
• 47:17
  like it's. And it's doing it's real buggy. You know,
• 47:20
  like that's never going to become the mainstream. But if
• 47:24
  if everybody because here's how this here's how this progresses.
• 47:31
  And this is directly relevant to what Daniel just said.
• 47:36
  There's a processing cost to all this. Of course. Of
• 47:38
  course there's a processing cost. But here's how it progresses.
• 47:43
  For some people... This is just going to be the
• 47:48
  ability to run these small models and do these kinds
• 47:52
  of things will just become part of your desktop. In
• 47:55
  fact, it will be your desktop. And so when you
• 47:59
  just… You'll just say, hey, go find me a podcast
• 48:04
  and make sure to take all the ads. Take all
• 48:07
  the ads out will just be part of the thing
• 48:09
  you say. Yes. Yes. Because I can tell you I've
• 48:13
  been listening to more and more podcasts that have ads
• 48:17
  in it. And anytime I get a chance to go
• 48:20
  and pay for the podcast to remove the ads, I
• 48:22
  do. But Better Offline is a good example of a
• 48:24
  podcast where you can't get it with an ad-free version.
• 48:29
  And the ad load in that show and others that
• 48:33
  I listen to – Is so absurd. Okay, but I
• 48:37
  just need to interrupt. You're right. This is the part
• 48:40
  I'm not worried about. First of all, there's multiple. So
• 48:44
  I can see in the boardroom, there's always the anti-AI
• 48:48
  people and it sucks. Whatever. Fine. It doesn't bother me.
• 48:54
  Then there's going to be the people who focus only
• 48:56
  on one thing, the money, the money, the money, the
• 48:59
  money. Okay? The money is going to fix itself. That
• 49:04
  is what 402 is about. And if you want to
• 49:08
  access this content... and ads will not be a possibility.
• 49:12
  I think you're probably right that that type of pre-roll,
• 49:16
  post-roll, dynamically inserted advertising, which is just horrible crap anyway.
• 49:23
  I guess if you want to, if you're a douche,
• 49:26
  if you're a horrible human being, which probably means you
• 49:29
  will wind up in the deepest pits of hell, if
• 49:31
  you want to have your robot strip out the in-podcast
• 49:37
  ad read, well, okay, that'll be possible, but we will
• 49:43
  have payment mechanisms That will be employed. It will happen
• 49:48
  because otherwise the content won't be able to be made.
• 49:52
  People won't be able to get paid. But the plumbing
• 49:54
  is there. So this is going to happen. And you
• 49:58
  can lightning will be a part of it. um stable
• 50:02
  coin will be a part of it trump coin will
• 50:05
  be a part of it any kind of whatever it
• 50:07
  is it's that is the future the future this is
• 50:10
  what i do and i tell you these things and
• 50:14
  i wind up i will die a just comfortable man
• 50:17
  It's just comfortable. I thought you were going to say
• 50:21
  penniless. You're like, I'll die moderately comfortable. I'll die comfortable.
• 50:28
  With a newspaper. And a tin can with pencils. But
• 50:33
  I have accepted this in my life. It's okay. But
• 50:38
  I'm not going to hold back and say this is
• 50:41
  horrible because it's ruining the podcast industrial complex. I don't
• 50:46
  care. That's not what I do. What I do is
• 50:49
  I tinker and connect bits and bobs and gaffer tape.
• 50:55
  This is how podcasting came to be. It's the exact
• 50:58
  same thing. Like, oh, I throw this together. Yeah, look,
• 51:02
  it kind of worked with an Apple script. You know,
• 51:05
  that's so this is what I'm seeing. And I am
• 51:08
  seeing it all around me. I'm seeing. I'm seeing. The
• 51:12
  single mom with two kids, twins, three years old, love
• 51:17
  those kids. They are certified ISIS terrorists. Love them anyway.
• 51:23
  She works from home for a company and she has
• 51:27
  eight grok bots running and it has given her time
• 51:30
  back with her kids. Hasn't replaced her job. I don't
• 51:33
  see that happening anytime at all, maybe only improving her
• 51:37
  productivity. So she has more time with the kids, more
• 51:40
  time to visit her husband in jail. I mean, that's.
• 51:44
  That's what I'm seeing this stuff do. And this is
• 51:48
  robots in general have taken my production time with no
• 51:54
  agenda from 40 hours a week to four. You know,
• 51:58
  it had the quality hasn't suffered. I mean, I lost
• 52:01
  50 percent of the on air staff, but, you know,
• 52:04
  otherwise the quality hasn't suffered. You know, so this is
• 52:08
  what's happening. I don't I'm embracing it. I don't want
• 52:13
  to fight it. I want to see how can we
• 52:15
  make it better and. Yeah, I'm sure there will be
• 52:18
  people. Look, I've always railed against people listening at double
• 52:21
  speed, like you're frying your brain and you're missing nuances.
• 52:25
  I can't stop people from doing that. I can only
• 52:28
  tell you what I think it will do. So will
• 52:31
  people only listen to clips? Yeah, maybe. They're doing that
• 52:35
  already. Who watches a whole Rogan anymore? No. You're on
• 52:39
  YouTube. Oh, there's a little thing of Rogan. Now, I
• 52:42
  know several people who listen to the entire episode religiously.
• 52:46
  You're always going to have that. So that's not the
• 52:50
  problem. This is only opportunity to get more people to
• 52:54
  discover your content. And it will probably be the people
• 52:58
  who have interests aligned with what you have to say.
• 53:03
  Thank you. Yeah, I think that you're – You know,
• 53:10
  You're mentioning of the 2X speed up thing is a
• 53:14
  good analogy of where this all stands because once that
• 53:19
  ability is out there, you have to realize as a
• 53:23
  content creator, podcaster, there's nothing you can do about it.
• 53:32
  Because it's all a private experience you have no control
• 53:34
  over. Correct. If you allow your content to leave the
• 53:39
  barn – You've lost control. And the only thing that
• 53:45
  kept this from happening previously was we did not have
• 53:50
  – The ability to do – to take unstructured data
• 53:55
  and turn it into structured data so that you could
• 53:59
  then chop it up, that ability now exists and it's
• 54:03
  commoditized. And so all of – everybody's computer, everybody's phone,
• 54:11
  at some point. point down the line these things are
• 54:17
  just going to be baked into it. There's not going
• 54:20
  to be... There's going to be no barrier whatsoever. And
• 54:25
  at that point, I forgot who said it. It was
• 54:28
  somewhere in the boardroom, but somebody was saying, well, you
• 54:30
  just have to switch models. No, no more ads. You'll
• 54:33
  have to go V for V. And I think that's
• 54:35
  true. Well, but I get it. But that's true, though,
• 54:38
  because you – we've always – everybody's always told us
• 54:42
  that you have to evangelize value for value. Well, this
• 54:45
  is going to do it for us. We don't have
• 54:47
  to worry about it. So I did something else just
• 54:50
  as a test. I said, what does Ed talk about
• 54:53
  in this episode? Well, it's a monologue on Anthropics finances,
• 54:56
  blah, blah, blah, and it gives me this rundown. And
• 54:59
  I noticed here the bigger point, all this AI debt
• 55:02
  is now competing with U.S. treasuries. I said, make a
• 55:05
  clip for my friend Dave about AI debt competing with
• 55:07
  U.S. treasuries. Okay, here's a 58-second clip. And the more
• 55:11
  money that everyone borrows, by which I mean AI data
• 55:13
  center companies, AI labs, and hyperscalers, the more expensive it
• 55:17
  becomes for everyone to borrow, as I discussed a few
• 55:20
  weeks ago with Paul Kudrosky. So, do you want me
• 55:22
  to text it to Dave, or are you sending it
• 55:25
  to him yourself? Well, you know what? Text... Text it
• 55:30
  to Dave Jones with a link to the podcast. Okay.
• 55:38
  There you go. This is what I'm talking about. This
• 55:40
  is discoverability. This is one of the biggest problems in
• 55:44
  podcasting. How do I share a little clip with somebody?
• 55:47
  Every podcast app has tried this. Very few have been
• 55:51
  super successful at it. So, um, While you've been talking,
• 55:58
  the Pi agent has been building an extension to use
• 56:04
  the podcast index robot dot com MCP. And it finished.
• 56:09
  And now I just reloaded Pi and said and said,
• 56:13
  do you have your phone there by any chance? I
• 56:17
  do. Okay. Did you just get a text? It's going
• 56:19
  to send you a text message in a minute. I
• 56:22
  have no text yet. Not yet. No, because I tell
• 56:26
  it to, it has to ask for permission to do
• 56:29
  that. Okay. I don't want it. We've been through that
• 56:31
  loop. There it is, Adam Curry. What does it say?
• 56:35
  Okay. It says, Dave, Ed Zitron on AI debt versus
• 56:38
  U.S. Treasuries 58-second clip attached, full episode, and there's a
• 56:41
  link. And it says AC. Now, you didn't write any
• 56:45
  of that, I assume? I didn't, no. And then a
• 56:49
  follow-up text. Here's the Ed Zitron clip on AI debt
• 56:51
  versus U.S. Treasuries. All right, let me open it. It
• 56:55
  opened up Podcast Guru. 10 years. That probably just gave
• 57:00
  you the whole show. Podcast. Yes, the whole show. Yeah.
• 57:03
  Podcast Guru doesn't have episode links. Oh, shame on you,
• 57:07
  Jason. And did you get the 58 second MP3? I
• 57:12
  got a reference to it, but I don't think I
• 57:16
  got the MP. Let me see. The text where the
• 57:18
  podcast link went to Dave and the 58-second clip followed
• 57:21
  as an attachment in a second message. Android confirmed both
• 57:24
  sent, though I can't confirm the audio rendered on his
• 57:27
  end. If he says it didn't come through, I'll send
• 57:29
  him a download link instead. No, it did not come
• 57:32
  through. It just says, here's the Zitron clip, but it
• 57:36
  doesn't have any attachments. Okay. Well, maybe, who knows? It's
• 57:40
  RCS. RCS should actually work. But I just said find
• 57:49
  podcasts near me. And it says here are some shows
• 57:52
  whose creators are based in Chicago. I inferred Chicago from
• 57:56
  your machine's time zone. Ah, from your machine's time zone.
• 58:00
  Okay. So it gives me a list. It says most
• 58:02
  of these are all small independent feeds hosted on RSS.com,
• 58:07
  which is what the location tagged index mostly contains. Boom,
• 58:10
  boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, because RSS.com makes it
• 58:13
  mandatory. That's probably why they dominate this list. Mm-hmm. Now,
• 58:17
  that's interesting. Now, you just told me something as a
• 58:20
  podcast. I'm like, holy crap, I better get my location
• 58:23
  tag in there. And so I said, no, I'm actually
• 58:26
  in Birmingham, Alabama. And I said, got it. I'm updating
• 58:29
  your city. And now it's come back with a new
• 58:32
  list. You're in Birmingham. Heads up. There are two Birminghams,
• 58:36
  one in USA, one in California. The UK. So I
• 58:40
  filtered the Alabama shows. It's a SEC Blitz. KDAV. KDAV.
• 58:46
  Yeah. The Real Truth with Tommy Spina. All right. Yeah,
• 58:50
  I know him. He's a local lawyer. And let's be
• 58:52
  holy for real. Faith, spirituality. Location tagged in there. Yeah.
• 58:57
  You have just... Witness the future. If you use it
• 59:04
  in that voice, I'm out of here. No, I don't
• 59:07
  want that. Welcome to the future, Dave! Equally troubling. Neither
• 59:15
  one of those are going to work. Man, I'm... Now
• 59:20
  you see it, right? Now you see it. Now you
• 59:22
  see it. Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Well, the
• 59:25
  only two ways out of this, advertising is dead. It's
• 59:29
  toast. Sorry. Stick a fork in it. Possibly. Not. No.
• 59:34
  Not possibly. But 402, the 402 protocol is... I think
• 59:41
  the way this will move in the future, and there's
• 59:45
  other ways, you know, there's other things like, you know,
• 59:48
  this is a protected link. You have to pay for
• 59:51
  access. You know, give me these bots will have access
• 59:55
  to your payment systems. All of this is coming. All
• 59:58
  of this is coming.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah. And boo-hoo for advertising. I'm sorry. Yeah, I love
• 1:00:04
  advertising. Not advertising. Ha! Man, I was not expecting this.
• 1:00:13
  You blew my mind. Sigh. My work is done here.
• 1:00:18
  I mean, so – Yeah, I think advertising is 100%
• 1:00:27
  toast. And so your only way out is value for
• 1:00:32
  value or X402. Those are your options. And I would
• 1:00:37
  get into it early. It's not mutually exclusive. Value for
• 1:00:41
  value can be exclusive. X402. You know, I expect you
• 1:00:46
  to send me a penny a minute or whatever, or
• 1:00:49
  send me whatever you want per minute. I mean, all
• 1:00:52
  of this is possible. And so that's why into our
• 1:00:54
  MCP server, I've already built all of the 402 payment
• 1:00:58
  rails. There's about three of them, I think. I think
• 1:01:04
  I would say X402... I would say the X4.2 is
• 1:01:11
  probably the way to go and to do it as
• 1:01:15
  fast as possible. Yeah. Because as soon as you get
• 1:01:18
  in on – anytime there's some kind of new thing
• 1:01:21
  that's discovery dependent, just getting something up and running as
• 1:01:25
  fast as possible is usually very advantageous because you get
• 1:01:29
  on the list. Mm-hmm. You're one of the first ones
• 1:01:33
  that come back when there's a query for what content
• 1:01:39
  supports this type of thing. I would say that that's
• 1:01:43
  the way it goes. I mean, I think – so
• 1:01:46
  the other question, though, is for this to keep –
• 1:01:50
  I mean, we're already having bandwidth constraints. Mm-hmm. For the
• 1:01:54
  podcast index robot – Do we X402 this thing so
• 1:01:59
  that we can get it? Yes, that's what I just
• 1:02:01
  said. I have the X402 built in because of course
• 1:02:04
  we'll have to. It's too much. Of course. But it
• 1:02:08
  will be commonplace. And this is why it's free now.
• 1:02:14
  The drug dealer model. Okay. So I had the robot
• 1:02:17
  build that page and it said the original copy said
• 1:02:22
  something like this said was the original copy. It said,
• 1:02:28
  here it is at the top, make your AI assistant
• 1:02:32
  smart about podcasts connected in one minute. And the original
• 1:02:35
  copy was make your AI assistant smart about podcasts free
• 1:02:38
  connected in one minute. I'm like, nope, you take that
• 1:02:40
  out right now. We're not promising anything for free. At
• 1:02:45
  all. Let me just ask. Will you tell me what
• 1:02:50
  payment rails you put into Podcast Index Robot? Sorry? No,
• 1:02:57
  I'm saying I'm just going to say you owe James
• 1:03:00
  an apology. I do. Yeah. Why? You mocked him. He
• 1:03:06
  said we needed to build an MCP server and charge
• 1:03:09
  for it. No, I'm not going to apologize. I'm going
• 1:03:13
  to thank him profusely. But this is what I'm saying.
• 1:03:17
  It was two mockings that I made. I was mocking
• 1:03:21
  the AEO. So many mockings. You know, and the Lord
• 1:03:26
  has told me not to do this. And I learned
• 1:03:28
  my lesson. And once I repented, because that I did
• 1:03:31
  do. I repent for mocking James. I repent for scoffing
• 1:03:36
  about the ask engine optimization. I repent for this. Are
• 1:03:39
  you kidding me? Here, three payment systems are in the
• 1:03:41
  code. X402 for USDC stablecoin on the base network. MPP,
• 1:03:48
  which is Stripe and Tempo for cards or stable coins,
• 1:03:51
  and L402 for Lightning Sats. It's all in there, ready
• 1:03:55
  to turn on. Do we have to still repent, though,
• 1:03:59
  from mocking that... entrepreneurial operating system no that's totally mockable
• 1:04:05
  that's just okay all right i'm not willing to give
• 1:04:08
  that one up no no no no no no but
• 1:04:11
  you know why wouldn't podcast apps i i already i
• 1:04:16
  can hear sam sethe already on the on the phone
• 1:04:21
  to hopefully dubai Oh, yeah. He's calling Mo. He's calling
• 1:04:26
  Mo right now. We need to have an MCP server.
• 1:04:28
  We need to connect that to that NPCs. Of course.
• 1:04:31
  Of course. And I actually think that we should consider
• 1:04:35
  some rules about this. Which are? For the index. Well,
• 1:04:40
  if you're a podcast app and you want to have...
• 1:04:44
  to build an MCP server with your existing API key,
• 1:04:51
  yeah, I think you're good to go. I don't want
• 1:04:53
  every Tom, Dick, and Harry building this. No, you can
• 1:04:56
  use ours. We got to draw the line there. True.
• 1:05:02
  Because those people don't pay us anything. They don't support
• 1:05:06
  us. So, X402, baby. Man, Adam, you asked me for
• 1:05:14
  a million dollar idea. I gave it to you. Mailbox
• 1:05:18
  money, Dave Jones, mailbox money. Mailbox money. I just was
• 1:05:23
  not expecting this. This is because this is not. A
• 1:05:29
  good thing for the – For the people... Who have
• 1:05:37
  decided that advertising is going to be their lifeblood. I
• 1:05:43
  just think – I'm not – To me, all the
• 1:05:49
  best stuff about podcasting is not – has nothing to
• 1:05:57
  do with advertising to me. And so from that standpoint,
• 1:06:01
  I mean we've – I've never... Like, the thought that...
• 1:06:09
  How do I explain that? I'm having trouble putting this
• 1:06:12
  into words because I'm just kind of stunned at what
• 1:06:15
  I just – Are you flabbergasted? I am flabbergasted. I'm
• 1:06:22
  trying to make sense out of what this means because
• 1:06:25
  – I'm telling you, this is... this is it's over
• 1:06:32
  for that segment of the podcast in the industry and
• 1:06:36
  I'm it's not a bad thing no because most of
• 1:06:40
  these people are already moving their big audiences over to
• 1:06:43
  subscriptions Apple is doing it Spotify is doing everybody wants
• 1:06:47
  subscriptions subscriptions are great because it's set and forget then
• 1:06:51
  you know although that's also changing because what is the
• 1:06:55
  first thing the Muse app asks you to do? Hey,
• 1:06:59
  would you like me to go and find subscriptions that
• 1:07:01
  you're paying for that you don't use? That's the first
• 1:07:04
  thing it did. I really did it find anything. Yes,
• 1:07:07
  of course. Why are you paying for this subscription through
• 1:07:11
  Roku? Like, I don't know, Tina, do we watch that?
• 1:07:14
  No. Okay. Unsubscribe. All right, I'm doing it. Unsubscribe. This
• 1:07:21
  entire industry is built on the set and forget subscription
• 1:07:25
  model. So I think we actually organically move towards value
• 1:07:30
  for value. But, you know, you can choose lightning and
• 1:07:34
  it will do lightning. And I'm pretty sure we'll be
• 1:07:37
  able to do splits and all that stuff. It won't
• 1:07:41
  be keysend, but it will be, you know, what is
• 1:07:45
  it? Yeah. What is the protocol? The forever invoice? No,
• 1:07:54
  Bolt 12. Yeah, Bolt 12. Or it'll do stablecoin or
• 1:07:57
  anything else, and it'll connect directly to your bank account,
• 1:08:00
  James Cridland. It'll connect directly to your bank account, and
• 1:08:04
  it'll pay... You know, either value for value based on
• 1:08:07
  you'll have to do more has to be more than
• 1:08:10
  zero. Otherwise, it won't you won't access it. I can
• 1:08:13
  see all of this coming. So it's actually going to
• 1:08:15
  be better for everybody. It's going to be painful. But
• 1:08:18
  guess what? Advertising is the horse and buggy of media.
• 1:08:28
  That's... A good line. It's a bumper sticker and a
• 1:08:33
  T-shirt. It's a good line. It's a bumper sticker and
• 1:08:35
  a T-shirt. Yep. So... Sam Sethi will be one of
• 1:08:41
  the first people to implement it because he does that.
• 1:08:44
  That's what he does. I'm telling you, he's jitty already.
• 1:08:47
  He's like, he's half a bottle in and he's like,
• 1:08:50
  Moe. We've got to get it. Moe. Vibe code it.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah. We got to get our money. And I want
• 1:09:07
  everyone to succeed. So, yeah. Yeah, it may break. You
• 1:09:10
  know, it may. You say, yes, we just demonstrated. But
• 1:09:14
  it also demonstrated. I just... Did you get the link,
• 1:09:18
  the download link to the clip? Because supposedly, let me
• 1:09:21
  see. I may not have given it permission. I got
• 1:09:24
  something. Yeah, download link. Yeah, I got a link here.
• 1:09:27
  Yeah. Oh, it's using a Muse.ai URL. Oh, that's my
• 1:09:32
  server, I guess. You hear the link? Got it. How
• 1:09:40
  cool is that? my robot talked to you all you
• 1:09:46
  robots not hooked up oh well because your robot could
• 1:09:49
  go hey i got a thing from adam want to
• 1:09:50
  listen to the clip want me to subscribe to it
• 1:09:55
  That's what I'm talking about. So this is what I've
• 1:09:58
  been I knew this would happen. I knew it would
• 1:10:01
  happen. Then here it is. I made it happen. I
• 1:10:05
  mean, I didn't make it happen, but I demonstrated how
• 1:10:07
  it how this is so obvious to me. But it's
• 1:10:10
  only because I've embedded myself in these personal ages, not
• 1:10:15
  chatbots, but the personal agents that. I've seen the power
• 1:10:19
  of running agents to make my life efficient or my
• 1:10:22
  work efficient. And now I've given it enough permission where
• 1:10:27
  it's kind of enjoyable. It's doing things that I care
• 1:10:30
  about. I don't look at my calendar anymore. It gives
• 1:10:33
  me a heads up for this for this meeting. So
• 1:10:36
  I said, OK, put this meeting on. Gordon sent you
• 1:10:39
  an email. There's a meeting with Shine FM. That's part
• 1:10:42
  of Olivet University. You want me to add that to
• 1:10:47
  the calendar? Yeah. And then it says, oh, you know,
• 1:10:51
  I've made a little demo prep for you. And in
• 1:10:54
  the Muse app, you have multiple tabs, so it has
• 1:10:58
  an artifacts tab. It says, all of that media group
• 1:11:01
  demo prep, this is what it is, this is who's
• 1:11:04
  coming, who they are, broadcast media university, uh... Sister Network,
• 1:11:10
  who's on the call? Here's some suggestions where Godcaster could
• 1:11:15
  be good. Some likely objections. Hello, Gordon Marcy. Likely objections
• 1:11:19
  that why they wouldn't want to buy the product. Questions
• 1:11:22
  for the call. Fresh ammunition. October 1 news. Oh, boy.
• 1:11:26
  Here's something that you can. I mean, hello. That's amazing.
• 1:11:31
  It's amazing. That is it. That's amazing. And you know
• 1:11:36
  what? But it still took four people on the call,
• 1:11:39
  human beings, to talk it through. That's the enjoyable part.
• 1:11:45
  Eric, I think the internet is already just ages talking
• 1:11:49
  to each other. I think that's already the case. And
• 1:11:51
  you know what? I don't think it's a bad thing.
• 1:11:53
  I really don't think it's a bad thing. I'm trying
• 1:11:57
  to... I'm trying to be neutral on AI. I've made
• 1:12:06
  my feelings about – I've made my general feelings about
• 1:12:11
  just – about AI known in the past in the
• 1:12:14
  – from the standpoint of just what the – like
• 1:12:18
  from the human – the standpoint of the human condition.
• 1:12:24
  Um, But on a day-to-day basis, I'm trying to just
• 1:12:28
  be as neutral as possible. A phone call from heaven
• 1:12:33
  for Dave Jones, line seven. What are we doing? What
• 1:12:40
  is this? You didn't hear the harp? Yeah, I heard
• 1:12:42
  it. No, that's a boost. You know what it is?
• 1:12:47
  It's a boost that came through. I keep hearing some
• 1:12:50
  other noise in the background, though. What are you hearing?
• 1:12:53
  I thought I heard a harp all through the show.
• 1:12:55
  Yeah. The harp is when someone says 777 or anything
• 1:13:00
  with sevens in it. Oh, okay. That's the helipad. Gotcha.
• 1:13:04
  Yeah. Yeah. But I'm trying to be as neutral as
• 1:13:09
  possible because I just don't want to be the guy
• 1:13:11
  who rails on AI all the time. And it's going
• 1:13:13
  to be a part of our lives, so I'm going
• 1:13:15
  to have to get used to it. I'm going to
• 1:13:16
  have to learn how to live with it and all
• 1:13:18
  that. So I'm just trying to… I'm trying to cope.
• 1:13:23
  That's what I'm saying. I understand. Who was the guy,
• 1:13:27
  the depressed guy? Not Network Chuck because he's anything from
• 1:13:33
  depressed. No, he's not depressed. Who's the guy with the
• 1:13:37
  beard, big beard? Moe Bitar. Moe. And he was talking
• 1:13:42
  about Opus 5.5. And he was like, that's it. You
• 1:13:46
  may not like DHH, but he's saying the same thing.
• 1:13:50
  He's like, you know what? Let's embrace the days when
• 1:13:52
  we wrote code ourselves. Now we're just makers. And that
• 1:13:56
  hit me so hard. I'm like, yeah, I'm a maker.
• 1:14:00
  That's what I am. And now I can make things.
• 1:14:02
  And I made something. I made a piece of art
• 1:14:05
  for my friends at Podcasting 2.0. Wait until I post
• 1:14:08
  this on X. I'm just but I kept it for
• 1:14:16
  you first for the board meeting first thank you No,
• 1:14:21
  I'm right there. I've gotten to the point where I've
• 1:14:24
  given up on coding. I've just been... I've been assumed
• 1:14:31
  into the Borg. I've barely written a single line of
• 1:14:35
  code myself and probably – A month. Mm hmm. Um,
• 1:14:41
  because it's just, you can't, I can't fight it anymore.
• 1:14:46
  And I disagree. Nathan G. I think God created us
• 1:14:50
  to be makers. I think that's very different. Yeah. I
• 1:14:54
  mean, very different. Yeah. I just don't think that, um,
• 1:14:58
  yeah, I've given up and I've got a lot of
• 1:15:00
  on that too. I mean, it's just I've given up
• 1:15:02
  on the coding front. But I mean, I just think
• 1:15:06
  that this I find it exciting. I want you to
• 1:15:10
  be excited for the future. You don't have to be,
• 1:15:13
  but I would love it if you were. No, I
• 1:15:16
  am. I understand that... I mean I'm building things with
• 1:15:24
  this stuff all the time, and I'm pretty deep into
• 1:15:26
  agents as well. I have to be – it's ultimately
• 1:15:30
  going to be my job. I mean this thing is
• 1:15:32
  going to – this stuff is going to infiltrate every
• 1:15:34
  area of our lives. Yes, yes. There will – I
• 1:15:37
  say short Microsoft. Seriously. Software companies is bad. Bad, bad,
• 1:15:45
  bad. Yeah, no, I'm with you. But one thing that's
• 1:15:49
  interesting that struck me a while ago – is when
• 1:15:54
  you... You were talking about... Well, let me explain it
• 1:16:00
  this way. Like as recently as just a few months
• 1:16:04
  ago, we were talking about all the AI slot that's
• 1:16:08
  being posted on Spreaker in order to get ad revenue.
• 1:16:14
  So people reposting LibriVox recordings. That's not just that's not
• 1:16:18
  AI. That's just repostings. But they'll repost it with some
• 1:16:21
  fancy AI art, and it's just like, okay, well, you
• 1:16:24
  just took a free recording and posted it on a
• 1:16:26
  platform that gives you dynamic ad insertion, and now you're
• 1:16:29
  just getting free money. So we've complained about all this
• 1:16:33
  stuff, but now it's just going to – like this
• 1:16:38
  fixed itself. Mm-hmm. This just fixed itself. Because I don't
• 1:16:44
  know whether it's going to be six months. A year,
• 1:16:48
  three years, five years, I don't know. But podcast advertising
• 1:16:53
  is gone. It's toast. And so it's going to be
• 1:16:58
  because once once it becomes very widely known that. That
• 1:17:05
  this is just so simple to just say, hey, give
• 1:17:08
  me this podcast with no ads in it. Once that
• 1:17:11
  becomes just like 2X speed up and sleep timers and
• 1:17:16
  all these features in apps, as soon as that becomes
• 1:17:20
  a standard feature in apps, no advertiser will want to
• 1:17:24
  pay for this stuff anymore. Yeah. Yes, you're right. Because
• 1:17:29
  the download numbers become truly meaningless. Yes, correct. Because every
• 1:17:33
  download is going to represent a local copy that can
• 1:17:37
  be molested. Molested, yes. Of course. Of course. It's done.
• 1:17:46
  And so the people, the small window of time of
• 1:17:50
  however many years, I don't know, seven, eight, ten years
• 1:17:55
  where dynamic ad insertion was a thing, it's over. The
• 1:17:59
  reason why all of the – like I think social
• 1:18:02
  media is over. I think a lot of things are
• 1:18:05
  over. All these companies, they always want to build, I
• 1:18:09
  want to build hardware. You know, Zuckerberg is, you know,
• 1:18:12
  of course, he builds like a Tamagotchi looking piece of
• 1:18:16
  crap. But, you know, your mobile device, I don't think
• 1:18:20
  you're going to see apps. You know, just be... Just
• 1:18:23
  tell the thing does what you want it to do.
• 1:18:27
  It's your robot in your pocket and you just it
• 1:18:30
  knows what you want. It gives you stuff when you
• 1:18:33
  want it. I mean, when I go walk Phoebe Wednesday
• 1:18:35
  night at nine thirty, pling. Oh, what's that? Oh, it's
• 1:18:38
  Muse. Here's the latest this week in Bitcoin. Here's here's
• 1:18:42
  what Chris is talking about. It knows that I'm on
• 1:18:46
  the walk. Well, and the fact that it knows that
• 1:18:52
  and that everything is going to come down local on
• 1:18:55
  device means that all the apps will eventually have these
• 1:18:58
  same capabilities. So Podcast Guru will be able to do
• 1:19:01
  this internally. I hope so. The MCP server. Yeah, I
• 1:19:06
  hope so. Grab whatever you want. And true fans will
• 1:19:09
  be able to do it. Yes, I sure hope so.
• 1:19:12
  Sure. It's depressing. No, it's. It's exciting and depressing at
• 1:19:18
  the same time, which is a normal human experience. Which
• 1:19:21
  is expressing. There you go. It's expressing. Expressing. Yeah, it's
• 1:19:24
  expressed. It is a very conflicting time whenever you see
• 1:19:31
  an old thing fading and a new thing happening. It's
• 1:19:36
  normal to be... sanguine about it. Yes, it's okay. And
• 1:19:42
  I get it because I have that at home. I
• 1:19:44
  get really excited. I show Tina, look at what it
• 1:19:47
  does. And she just went into the same funk you
• 1:19:51
  did. She's like, this is depressing. You know, this is
• 1:19:55
  getting, you're getting sucked in. I always like that. I
• 1:19:59
  don't think so. But okay. The current time that we're
• 1:20:04
  in where we're using gigawatt data centers to do this
• 1:20:09
  kind of stuff, to me that's – But that's going
• 1:20:12
  to end. That's going to end. It's going to end.
• 1:20:15
  But the technology exists. Everything's going to crash down to
• 1:20:20
  the local machine, and the end result is the same.
• 1:20:24
  Yeah, except it won't be as expensive, and we'll have
• 1:20:27
  more control over it. And it won't destroy the landscape.
• 1:20:32
  Yeah, so... Anyway, I'm excited. I need to get you
• 1:20:36
  out in seven minutes, so let's thank some people. I'm
• 1:20:40
  sorry I took up all of the board meetings. No,
• 1:20:43
  no. This is the most important board meeting we've ever
• 1:20:45
  had. Oh, I'll quote you on that. It is, and
• 1:20:50
  I'm convinced that this is – the most important thing
• 1:20:55
  that I've ever seen in podcasting. I'm excited about the
• 1:20:58
  ramifications. Yes, I'm excited for the future. All right, let's
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  don't think so. Here's Sam Sethi. He's a three-quarter bottle
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  in 777 sats. We already have soundbites, chapters, and transcripts.
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  Now we have AI-generated snippets and tracking. Okay. Sam again,
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  777, a pro app version will allow this bot feature
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  to strip out ads and find snippets, et cetera. Yeah,
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  of course. Yep, yep, he's right. Eric PP, 375. 3-2-1-0
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  with Adam. I spoke about this on Power weeks ago
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  and said true fans would call our bots. Oh, Kevin
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  and Kelly. Oh, so they're in a thread. That's what
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  happens on True Fans. I have not gone any further,
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  but this has got me excited again. Of course. Of
• 1:22:23
  course, Sam. This is, you know what? Those investors who
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  are holding on to that two million quid, they're going
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  to be releasing that crap so fast, man. You have
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  no idea. Yeah, they'll put another two on top. That's
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  right. Another 777 from a Christian. It's been a while
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  it's working. Thank you, Chris. There's another Sam 777. Wow.
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  If bots access snippets, then we will have to use
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  X402 for MCP API access. No ads, just premium content.
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  register for API access, and they will charge for API
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  access using X402. That's the future. Martin Lindeskog, Rove Ducks,
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  happy belated International Podcast Day. Yes, that was the 30th
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  of September. I talked about funding, tag, location, pod role,
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  and social interact in episode 28 of Tea Party Media.
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  Rove ducks with 22,22 satoshis. Sam again. It's a Samapalooza.
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  If bots will access snippets, then we will make MCP
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  access X402 to charge bots for access. This is what
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  Reddit just announced, yes. Another Chris. Chris, you know, 777,
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  Yeah, he's doing it. Martlinus Kog, 1701, is valueforvalue.info lost
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  in cyberspace? Starship boost was 1701. Yeah, I didn't –
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  valueforvalue.info is not mine. It was a dare Gigi and
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  he let it lapse. So if someone can find that
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  one, then I'd love to get it back up. The
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  site may be gone, but we can still use it.
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  Mike Newman's 1777. He says ripped and Dreb Scott. One,
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  two, three, four. Go podcasting. And I've hit the delimiter.
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  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm still just kind of reeling. Okay, let
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  me do these donations. We got some PayPals. We got
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  Brendan Mulligan, $25. Thank you, Brendan. Podpage. Salt Sessions, $10.
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  Martin Lindeskog, there he is, $1. Cameron Rose, $25. Thank
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  you, Cameron. Cameron. Ralph Estep $50 Charles Hicks $5 Thank
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  you Ralph by the way Bob Rathmill $40 Did Bob
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  send $40 thank you Bob Is Bob new I think
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  he might be new I think he might be new
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  You, Wendy, fire-minted. Let's see. I want to make sure
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  I didn't miss a note from Bob. Let's see here.
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  Uh... He just says thanks. Thank you. Let's see. Where
• 1:25:32
  are we at? Bob Rathma, yeah, $40. Dreb Scott, $15.
• 1:25:36
  Thank you, Dreb. Thank you, Dreb. Michael Kimmerer, $5.33. Thank
• 1:25:40
  you, Michael. We got a bunch of anonymous through TrueFans.
• 1:25:44
  We got 39 sats, 406, 13... Oh, okay, we have
• 1:25:49
  406, another 13. You don't have the metadata. It doesn't
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  resolve. Not out of true fan. Well, it just says
• 1:25:58
  anonymous. Yeah, see, helipad, you have a little button you
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  press, and then it resolves and gets the metadata. Well,
• 1:26:04
  I'm not as good as Eric. No, Eric PP is
• 1:26:06
  just badass. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of why I've given
• 1:26:11
  up. On AI coding and just giving in is because
• 1:26:15
  it's better than me. There you go. There you go.
• 1:26:19
  I'm not ashamed to admit it. It's just a better
• 1:26:21
  it's just a better coder than I am. I've always
• 1:26:24
  I've always my coding ability has always been by pure
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  brute force. And logic. And so the subtleties of small
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  issues I've always struggled with, and I will eventually get
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  them resolved by just throwing massive amounts of time at
• 1:26:46
  it. And now you're getting all that time back. Melissa
• 1:26:50
  must be happy. She is. Okay, good. Uh, oh, what
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  happened to... What happened to... Whatever happened to all the
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  heroes, all the Shakespeareos? No more heroes anymore. Did you
• 1:27:10
  get comic strip bloggers? I did. I did. Why is
• 1:27:13
  this not showing up on mine? Shall I read it?
• 1:27:17
  Let me see if... Let me grab it. Try to
• 1:27:19
  grab it from one more place. Trans, I'm... My system
• 1:27:23
  has been pretty stable so far, and this is the
• 1:27:26
  first time I've had a hiccup. Let me see if
• 1:27:28
  I can grab it over here. I'm not seeing it.
• 1:27:34
  You're going to have to do it. 18,000 sats from
• 1:27:37
  a comic strip blogger. And he says, howdy, Adam and
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  Dave. This time I recommend a podcast, Your GLP One
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  Bestie by Gianna Beasley. Quote, your GL1 bestie is a
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  science-backed podcast and community for people navigating GLP-1 medications like
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  Ozempic, Wagovi, and Monjaro. Both Horowitz and Gene, two friends
• 1:28:01
  of Adam, take Ozempic, so it might be of interest.
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  Yo! CSB, Ozempic taker due to high blood sugar levels
• 1:28:10
  up to 240 milligram per deciliter, whatever, not due to
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  weight loss. This gram was sent $15.56, 18,000 Satoshis. Yo,
• 1:28:22
  CSB. Thank you, CSB. Thank you, CSB. I'm going to
• 1:28:27
  have to now go back and debug my thing. Well,
• 1:28:30
  you're not going to debug it. No, I'm giving up
• 1:28:33
  on that. You know who's going to do the debugging.
• 1:28:37
  I gave, I'm giving up. Any more? Was that it?
• 1:28:41
  That was it. Oh, 2-0-1, 2-0-1 and 30 seconds. Perfect.
• 1:28:48
  My muse just reminded me to tell you to transfer
• 1:28:51
  that domain to me, but I will tell it to
• 1:28:54
  remind me again this weekend because you won't do it
• 1:28:57
  now, right? I will not. Can I have mine? You
• 1:29:00
  tell it to remind you to remind me to remind
• 1:29:04
  my thing to remind me. That's exactly where we're going.
• 1:29:08
  All right, everybody. That's it for Podcasting 2.0. You are
• 1:29:11
  witnessing the future. You're a part of it. You're building
• 1:29:14
  it. We'll see you next Friday, everybody. Bye-bye. Thank you.
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  You have been listening to Podcasting 2.0. Visit podcastindex.org for
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