Latest / Hutton & Withrow Show / Hutton & Withrow: LSU vs. SEC Explodes Over Lane Kiffin, Plus Bill Belichick’s UNC Turmoil | Hour 1

Transcript

Hutton & Withrow: LSU vs. SEC Explodes Over Lane Kiffin, Plus Bill Belichick’s UNC Turmoil | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Out of the gates on sport and state, it is
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Hutton and Withrow. Good morning to you. The college football
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: weekend has arrived. He is Chad Withrow. I'm Jonathan Hutton.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: We're going to get you there this morning all the
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: way through the next two hours. Walker Jones is going
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: to join us from the Grove Collective and Ole Miss.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: A lot to discuss with him, to say the least.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: Chad, good morning, man. Good morning, Hut.
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: It's a better morning for us than it is for
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: Rutgers fans, so I'll tell you that much.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: They lose to UMass as a 29.5-point favorite. And not
• 0:31
  Speaker 3: only lose, I mean, they get dominated. It was 24-7
• 0:34
  Speaker 3: at halftime. That game was never close. UMass was ranked, like,
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: 128th on ESPN's top teams, which.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: Is dead last.
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: We just got done talking about UMass on the drive
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: to Birmingham with Clay, where all three of us said,
• 0:47
  Speaker 3: just not a program that we ever think about. I
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: don't ever think about rural Massachusetts when I'm thinking about
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: my college football programs. Not since Calipari. Not since Marcus
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: Camby and Calipari.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: And now with their coach, who.
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: Was Greg Sciano's former defensive coordinator at Rutgers, who left
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: and then came back home to collect $ 1. 5 million and
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: spank Daddy in.
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: Front of his home crowd.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: And then they had a pre-planned fireworks show afterward at
• 1:15
  Speaker 3: Rutgers Hutton. So there's about four people that stayed and
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: watched that.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: That's rough. And it's maybe the saddest.
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: Scene I've seen in sports in a while was the
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: fireworks show for Rutgers. After getting drubbed by UMass at
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: home to open the season. Tough start for the Scarlet Knights.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Right up there with my alma mater, Middle Tennessee, where
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: they had Big Boy from Outkast play.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: And in the middle of a huge storm, and he
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: played about four songs, he got his $ 85, 000, and he
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: was able to GTFO.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: And he got out. He got out of Murfreesboro.
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: He headed back down 24 east to 75 south, back
• 1:47
  Speaker 3: to ATL.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: There was no monster 3,000, unfortunately. But yeah, he was
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: played at Floyd Stadium, if you can believe that. But
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: the $ 1. 5 million, I have asked before, do you get
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: that in payments?
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: It's a cash check. It's a side check that day
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: that is hand-delivered to the AD. It's not a bad
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: gig if you can make budget for playing one game
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: and win.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: Not bad at all.
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: It's good money if you can get it. We're going
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: to talk about our failure of a lock bet also
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: that both of you were very, very confident on a
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: little bit later. But let me also state this for
• 2:23
  Speaker 3: the record, officially on the record. We were talking about
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: court cases also where things were officially on the record.
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: Rutgers is in the Big Ten. That's it. That's my
• 2:35
  Speaker 3: statement on that. This is the argument. You can have
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: whatever argument you want. You can choose whatever your argument
• 2:42
  Speaker 3: is for Big Ten versus SEC. I'm an SEC guy,
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: but I would fall on the side of the Big
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: Ten saying, the SEC bragged about national titles for years
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: when they were on that streak. So the Big Ten
• 2:53
  Speaker 3: has every right to brag right now as the best
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: conference of college.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: Football because it's not just one team winning it too, right?
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: It's Michigan, it's Ohio State, it's Indiana. They're winning national titles.
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: So credit to the Big Ten. But this is the
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: challenge back to the Big Ten. The bottom of your
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: conference is terrible. I've got one game in my top
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: ten this week. I'm going to go ahead and call it.
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: I think an FCS team is going to beat a
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: Big Ten team this weekend.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: Okay? It's in my top ten.
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: I'll reveal that a little bit later. But that's going
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: to be the one FCS win over another team. Rutgers
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: and the team I'm going to talk about later and
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: a few other teams, they're still in your conference. So
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: when you bloat your conference to so many teams and
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: the bottom of it is so bad and you get
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: easy wins along the way for a Big Ten team,
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: the SEC just doesn't have that. There's no fat. If
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: I'm going to the high-end supermarket hunting and I'm buying
• 3:47
  Speaker 3: ground beef and I get 90-10, that's the SEC. The
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: Big Ten is more 70-30. Now, that 70% lean meat
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: is really, really good. The 30% fat is terrible, and
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: it clogs your arteries. Rutgers clogged my arteries watching that
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: game last night.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: It's a big nugget, right?
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: The schedule for Rutgers, they have Michigan on the schedule
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: this year, Chad. USC also on the schedule coming up
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: in about a month. They play Penn State and Indiana,
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: but avoid Ohio State on their schedule.
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: So they avoid that massacre.
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's my point for Ohio State against the
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: Big Ten is that that's just another– people want to
• 4:29
  Speaker 3: complain about the Cinderella November game. That's just another cupcake
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: game for Ohio State or whoever plays them. You can
• 4:37
  Speaker 3: rest your starters against the Rutgers likely this year if
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: you're a Big Ten team.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: That's how bad that team is. You don't get a
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: break like that in the SEC. You just don't.
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: Even Arkansas is going to be better than what we
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: saw from Rutgers.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: Much better than what we saw last night.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: Ohio State last year beat them 42-9. Let's see. Penn
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: State beat them by four. Just going through some of
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: these other blowouts. Illinois 35, Rutgers 13. They did get
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: a win over Purdue last year. 56-10 was the final
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: score against Oregon. And Washington dropped them 38-19. There you go.
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: Again, that's what we talk about when we talk about
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: depth of conference and depth of schedule when we're talking
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: about the SEC. I understand that Rutgers is one team
• 5:25
  Speaker 3: in the Big Ten, and it was one game, but
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: that game was damning.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: It's a year-in, year-out thing with Rutgers. They're not serious.
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know how long you continue to cut a
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: check that large to someone who does not appear to
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: be serious about contributing to the conference in any meaningful way.
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a disaster for that school and that conference.
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: And again, just blanket statement, Rutgers is in the Big Ten.
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: But that's a reality check for everyone that wants to
• 5:52
  Speaker 3: argue about both conferences.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. That does exist.
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: That is one of your conference members, and they are
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: contributing nothing.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: They would just point to Indiana and say, hey, Indiana
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: went from worst to first. Let's do it again with Rutgers.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: Rutgers come to town this week. That's what they would
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: be yelling. The low-hanging fruit would be Vanderbilt losing to
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: Georgia State. I feel like all of the rich people
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: in New Jersey end up at Vanderbilt or an Ivy
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: League school.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or an Ivy League school.
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what the wealth fund is for
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: Rutgers and how much money they have being pumped into
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: that program. And even the people that are wealthy that
• 6:29
  Speaker 3: have Rutgers ties, I don't know that they want to
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: spend money on a dead asset. I would have to
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: really believe in what's going on. And I'm sorry, but
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: if Greg Sciano came to my door and started selling
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: me on the Rutgers football program, I don't think I
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: would give too much of a check to that program.
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: So again, get serious about it or get out if
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: you're Rutgers. But SEC versus Big Ten, going to be
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: a constant debate. The SEC is deeper.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: I'll say that.
• 6:56
  Speaker 3: And I'll also say, yeah, the Big Ten's got the
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: upper hand right now because they've won the last three
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: national titles and it's three different teams.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: SEC also deeper on their depth chart, potentially, because, Chad,
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: the football is in Lane Kiffin's field now. We'll see
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: what happens with game day against Clemson, but based on
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: the court rulings and just how crazy everything has been,
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: we go from debating what's right for college football to
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: having someone ask Greg Sankey, who was on the stand
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: for Clemson, Two and a half hours?
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: He sat there and answered questions from judges for two
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: and a half hours over this? Yeah, it was either
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: that or right around three or maybe more than three.
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a long time. Think about how long
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: that is.
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole process was about nine hours from the
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: start of the trial until they came back with a
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: decision last night.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: It's a full day here on Sporting State is what
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: that is. Yes. And asked him about, so what about
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: the children? Talking about the players. Use the word children.
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: It was the plaintiff's attorney, Tony Clayton, criticized Sankey's stance, stating, quote,
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: If they continue to pick on these children, we will
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: be here to make sure the rules are applied fairly.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: What?
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: And then you have the attorney, Louisiana attorney Liz Murrell,
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: also called the SEC's actions offensive. Think about this for
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: a second. What world do we live in where the
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: common sense of our court system is even calling college
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: football players children in regards to whether or not LSU
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: is going to be able to play a former NFL player?
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: On the list of absurd things in this story.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: Children. You hit on, to me, the top one. The
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: attorney referring to these.
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: Grown-ass men who played in the NFL for a training
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: camp and had completed their entire college career as children.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: Why do you think these children should be affected? Don't
• 8:53
  Speaker 3: you believe the children are our future? Teach them well
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: and let them lead the way? These children should be
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: allowed to lead the men that are playing for LSU currently.
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: That was absurd.
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: The judge being a politician and posing, doing LSU hand
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: signs with people. I mean, the AG, someone approached her
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: for an interview, and the first thing she says is,
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: go Tigers, to the person doing the interview.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: This is a farce. Yeah.
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: The whole state looks so silly. Now, we're talking Big
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: Ten versus SEC a little while ago. This is where
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: the SEC, you see when people say it just means more,
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: they ain't kidding.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: It just means more.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: Look at the state of Louisiana.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: Are these the.
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: Dumbest people on the planet when you look at how
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: everything operates there? How does this person wear a black
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: judge's robe? And sit there and act like they are
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: a legitimate judge within the state. How are there not
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: repercussions for decisions like this? The decision makes no sense
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: other than I want to curry political favor in my state,
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: so I'm not about to rule.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: Against the SEC against.
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: Or I'm sorry, I'm not about to rule against LSU
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: versus the SEC. I don't understand any other way. Every
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: legal expert that is not involved directly, that's not, you know,
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: LSU tied or even SEC tied saying this will never hold.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: Up if it continues to go down the line. Once
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: they get out of.
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: Louisiana, there's a federal lawsuit that's already been filed in
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: the state of Alabama.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: We probably know that that's going to go in favor
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: of the SEC, right? The SEC, yep.
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: I just don't understand. We're waiting on another court case now.
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: I'm watching interviews with two of the players in the
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: LSU facility last night. I mean, they're acting like they
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: just got off a murder trial and got off. They're like,
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just so happy this is all over. It's been
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: a long couple weeks as I just decided whether or
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: not I was going to be able to, after getting
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: cut in the NFL, I'm like, what is happening here?
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like we needed cameras for Selection Sunday in
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: the program. Or it was like Maury Povich, like you
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: are not the father. You know, they celebrate.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: Who is the Maury Povich of this story? Lane Kiffin.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: And, again, go back to risk-reward. Like, is Kiffin going
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: to actually do this? I'm starting to lean more and
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: more towards, yeah, they might do it because he has
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: convinced the entire state. I don't think it took much
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: convincing for the people of Louisiana who, again, just don't
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: appear to be very smart. But he convinced somehow an
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: entire state to back him in an unreasonable way, in
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: an unreasonable lawsuit, to get players to play that, again,
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know that this shifts the balance completely in
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: favor of LSU. From a player standpoint, it does make
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: them better. It improves their team.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Even in Alabama with Bediaco, that judge was a donor
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: to the University of Alabama. I don't understand what we're
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: doing here. I know why they file where they file.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: But it's just like, why waste everyone's time? Why waste
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Sankey's time for three hours answering questions over this?
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: Well, and Sankey.
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: If you're going to be giving the Go Tigers hand
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: signal or whatever it is. And again, I'm reading stuff
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: from Ross Ellinger today, and he's getting a lot of
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: the LSU side.
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: I know he's pretty embedded in that state. And people
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: are saying, well, somebody had to test it. You know,
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: LSU basically is like taking up the sword and shield.
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: and somebody had to go to war with it.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Why? No one had to test this.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: This was not something people were asking for that's like,
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, the unfair SEC not allowing pros to
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: come back after going pro and play again in college.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: No one asked for this.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that line of thinking is that
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: LSU's allowed to act like, no, we're the diligent warrior
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: that's doing our justice piece here. And we're going to
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: do this for everyone. Nobody's asking for this. People keep
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: saying it's an NCAA problem. It's not an NCAA problem.
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: It's an LSU problem, and they are pushing the envelope.
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: And now, for at least right now, Hutton, it looks
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: like the SEC's hands are tied, even though their statement
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: afterwards was we disagree with the ruling. We're going to
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: continue to fight it. We still believe that we can
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: enforce our own rules and guidelines.
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: The SEC's playing a road game here.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: And they're the home team, but they're playing a road game.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: And the judge is a former football player. He went
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: to law school at Southern University, and he's on the
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: ballot this fall in Baton Rouge. So, I mean, you've
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: got a dude ruling on this who is on the
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: ballot in Baton Rouge. And, you know, the other part
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: of this, Chad, is the risk-reward for LSU and Kiffin. Like,
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: you're getting a guy who was cut, was not picked
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: up across the NFL. Is that really worth whatever could
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: come of this down the road based on another ruling,
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: based on a federal lawsuit? No, I don't think so,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: but LSU's gung-ho about this.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely not worth it.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Not worth it, but are they viewing this like it's
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: not going to be like they're grandfathered in now? Anything
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: that happened can't be retroactively punished?
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: They would be foolish.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: They'd be foolish to believe that because no one, you know,
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: that was the ruling initially with the Betty Aqua.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I've not seen anything like that.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Like the SEC's already got 42 minutes into this case,
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: into this trial, the SEC filed, which the timing was
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: on purpose. So this case continues. Like they're not off
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: the hook in any way. David in the YouTube chat.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: He's clear to play this weekend, right?
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I guess. Or is there like some ramp up period?
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: He is clear to play by that Louisiana court. he
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: is not clear to play by the sec. The sec
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: is still saying like, we're continuing this fight and you,
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: we have guidelines you must follow, or we can either
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: suspend you forfeit the games or kick your ass out
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: of the conference.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: So no one in the sec is like, yes, we
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: will stand back and they can play. They're not saying
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: that at all.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: So are they going to suspend Kiffin for half the
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: season after this weekend? If he plays, I don't know
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: how they handle it.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Um, So David Griffin in the chat says, did anyone
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: really expect a Louisiana.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Court would rule any other way? I would respond and
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: say a Knoxville.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Tennessee court ruled against Joey Aguilar getting another year. Guys,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: it's possible to do a good job if you're in
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: the legal system. You don't have to just do whatever
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: the fan base in that state tells you to do.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: You can actually, I don't know, if you're a judge.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: listen to the facts of the case, and decide for
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: yourself what to do. And actually do what you are
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: paid to do and not do what you think politically
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: you're expected to do. This is such lazy BS. I'm
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: not talking to David.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: He's right. I didn't expect this to go any other
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: way in Louisiana.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: But the fact that we can't ask for people, especially
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: elected judges or officials, to, I don't know, carry out justice.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: And do what's right in.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Any case and not look at it. Justice is supposed
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: to be blind, right? It's not supposed to be purple
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: and gold. This makes the whole state look bad. And
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: I'm talking to LSU people right now. If you are
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: defending any of this, you look stupid too. Anything other
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: than everybody in our state is a complete lunatic, which
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: is the truth right now, that's the right answer. They're
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: lunatics in Louisiana. It's helped them in sports. It's helped
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: them at LSU. But that's what's happening right now, and
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the whole world is seeing it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Well, so LSU has to submit their roster by midnight tonight,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: so 1159 tonight. So once the roster is submitted, that
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: is when LSU is either in violation or not in violation.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: That's when technically Kiffin can be suspended for half the season.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Right there. Yes.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Look, if I'm SEC and I'm Greg Sankey, I've got
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: someone ready to press send. on a statement that the
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: moment they roster these players that they've ruled ineligible, you
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: were saying Lane Kiffin is now suspended for a half
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: a season, or here are the sanctions for doing that.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: We've said this is not allowed. And then you say
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: we have a lawsuit against not just LSU, by the way,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin personally, for meddling with NFL contracts to bring
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: guys back. We're going to continue with the legal process
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: with the lawsuits we filed, but this is the SEC.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And here's our rule on this. And they're gloomed. And basically,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: you put it right back on LSU at that point.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Are they actually going to sit Lane Kiffin? Are they
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: going to back down off of it? But I think
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: at 12.01 a.m. Hutton, you have a statement ready for
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: the SEC.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And then I would just say, this is what we
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: were screaming from the mountaintops over Bediaco, when it was eligible, ineligible, eligible, ineligible,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: based on the court system, back and forth. And then
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: there was no retroactive punishment for Alabama doing the.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Doing no one a service by playing him. I know
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: his first game was against Tennessee, right?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I know Tennessee won that game, but he had a
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: few blocks in that game. Yeah, it was a loss
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: to Tennessee at home, in fact, for Alabama. Clay wrote
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: a great piece at Sporting State also about this, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: he's right. It kind of sums up the SEC and
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: college sports.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Not just the SEC. It sums up college sports.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: The same Alabama fans who were defending– the move to
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: bring on Betty Akko, are now saying LSU should get
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: kicked out of the conference for bringing on multiple guys when,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: in fact, both are wrong. We'll say it here on
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: this show. Both coaches, both schools are wrong. And this
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: idea that, well, they're doing the Lord's work and someone
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: had to test the conference and someone had to test
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: the NCAA, it really didn't need to happen. It did
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: not have to happen. And no one wanted this. You
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: just want this because you feel like it gives you
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: an advantage. With your roster and in games, and that's
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: why you're doing it. So let's not sugarcoat what's happening here.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: And Clay, I think Clay summed it up well. Alabama
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: fans who defended the Betty Occo thing, equally ridiculous as
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: LSU fans who are defending this.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Just throw your hands up in.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: The air and be like, I don't know what college
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: sports are anymore. I don't really care. This is my team.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to root for whoever they put on the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: floor or on the field, and I don't care about
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: anything else because none of this is what's right for
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the sport.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: None of this is what's right for the SEC. What's
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: right for the SEC is to stay strong, though.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I will say you need to stay firm while you
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: have that lawsuit pending and go ahead.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And levy penalties.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: And if LSU declines the penalties you send, then you
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: start to consider further action.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But can't you see it right now? We're in November.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: LSU is great. And they're rocking and rolling.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: And.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: we're back and forth with the court system trying to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: determine whether or not they're going to have to forfeit games.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: That's where we're headed. I can see it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: My buddy, Kevin Fontenot, hilarious last night.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: You'll like this, Chad.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: He said, absolutely loving all this lane hate.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Saturday can't get here soon enough. And he said... It's
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: equivalent of someone.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: He's like, this is the equivalent of calling someone who
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: dropped out during Hell Week a Navy SEAL. That's how
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: good this guy is that we're bringing in. This is funny.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Anybody named Fonte, that's the response I would expect from
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: an LSU fan.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: We're bringing in a tight end who the NFL didn't want.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It's not that big of a deal. But he's loving it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: But that's exactly why you don't do it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: He just summed up, that's exactly why for LSU, you
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: just back away and say, guys... Sorry, pack your stuff.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: You can't play here at LSU.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Good luck.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I'll help you with a conference that will allow you
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to play. We've got Walker Jones coming up later this
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: hour at the very end of the hour, 7.50ish or so,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: 8.50ish Eastern. We'll talk Ole Miss, certainly bring up the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: name Lane Kiffin and much more. When we come back, Chad,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: she's back. Diana Roussini is back. And where she may
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: surface may be a surprise, maybe not to most. But
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: an idea from Withrow on where she should end up surfacing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: That's next right here on Hunting Withrow. It's Hunting Withrow
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: presented by Hard Rock Bet.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Big news.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: We've partnered with Hard Rock Bet for the whole season.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: They're bringing us all the odds, the lines, analysis, content
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: all year long. You know the Hard Rock name. You
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: may not know the Hard Rock Bet Sportsbook app. Hard
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Rock Bet is Florida's only legal sportsbook, the most trustworthy
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: option in the market. Also live in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, and Virginia.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Football is back. It's back, baby.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Best time of the year for bettors. And Hard Rock
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Bet is ready with new features, app updates, and promos.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Welcome offer right now. Bet $ 5. Get $ 100 in bonus bets.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: And this one's for all customers, not just new users.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Florida listeners, you can get on the NFL Survivor Contest.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Pick one team to win each week. Last Survivor standing
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: split $ 2 million. Sign up and get all the details
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: at hardrock.bet.com. That's hardrock.bet.com. Thrilled to partner with Hard Rock. And, Hutton,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: we have a full Fantasy Football League ready, right? We're
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: ready to go for Fantasy Football?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: We are stocked. We are ready to go, man.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: We have a 14-team league, and everyone has signed up,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: so that is awesome. Looking forward to some familiar names
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and also some new faces coming into the league.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: It's going to be fun. No doubt.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I got a big response when I posted we had openings,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: so thanks to everyone who reached out that wants to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: be a part of it. I tried to get back
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: to everyone who messaged me. I'm sure that I failed.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: This is my statement to everyone. The league is now full,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: but we appreciate the interest in joining the league. Thank
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: you to everybody else who reached out.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Looking forward to that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: If we want to, we could create a JV league.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: online um because your response was massive yeah we would
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: fill that up with ted pretty easily if not 14
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like we have.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I don't i don't want to i'll just go ahead
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: and say i don't i don't want to i'll just
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: refer those people to next year to come back and
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: then we'll put them in for next year's league.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Um maybe maybe diana would want to be in a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: sport and state fantasy football league diana russini The internal
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: investigation is complete. The audit, so to speak, on Rossini's reporting,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: complete from The Athletic. Chad, you've read through it. What
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: did you make of it? And what do you make
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: of Rossini's next step?
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: It was much ado about nothing when I read through
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: the findings of what The Athletic found.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Like washing their hands clean of it kind of thing? Right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Now, let's also preface by saying they didn't have her
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: cell phone. So there's no text they could go through.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: There's no calls they could see about what was being
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: discussed or what was being said. And of course they
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: didn't have her cell phone. Diana Rossini would be an
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: idiot to hand over her cell phone. She's not going
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: to do that. Not just because of an affair with
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel, but because she's got sources to protect too.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: She's talking to a lot of people in the NFL.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of things said about someone's owner or
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: an assistant coach or their boss. That's their head coach
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: that could get out that would be damning not just
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: to her, but to all of the NFL people she
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: talks to. So smart move by Diana to not hand
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: over her cell phone. But that limited what The Athletic
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: could do. Now, they start the whole piece of the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: investigation by saying, we reviewed thousands of hours of podcasts
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: and all the stories she's written, all of her social
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: media posts, everything in her time with The Athletic. And basically, Hutton,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: what it amounted to was we decided to put editor's
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: notes on two different stories. One was her notes column
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: that was a glowing review of Mike Vrabel and bashing
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the Titans when they played a year ago when he
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: came back to Nashville after Brian Callahan got fired. And
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: there was another story, too, or some podcast. They said
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: we put an editor's note at the bottom of it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: What they found was that 10% of her coverage was
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: about the Patriots. I think something like that. It wasn't
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: an overwhelming majority. of her reporting on that one team
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: or on Mike Vrabel. They said that she did get
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: access to behind the scenes, his year away from being
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: a head coach, a story that they put an editor's
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: note on that, I believe as well.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Did they happen to say if that was the most
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: of any team? No, it was not. I think there
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: were other teams that were covered more also. Maybe the Broncos?
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Essentially, there was nothing that she reported about A lot
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: of the things she reported on the Patriots, too, was
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: just they sent a release out about waiving a player
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: or signing a player.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: She didn't break the news. She just wrote this happened.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: What about Vrabel specifically, though? That's where it gets interesting. Well,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the Vrabel stuff was the behind the scenes on that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: There was no criticism.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: It's like we have to go back and review our
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: standards because everything about Mike Vrabel, she did have the
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: report that he was safe.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: In a notes column, it's like, Titans fans can calm down.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I've talked to people in the organization. And he said, now, the.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Person doing the review says, that could have been true
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: at that time. We're not saying she didn't talk to
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: someone in ownership or someone that would have that say
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that at the time said he was saved. We've known
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the Titans organization to lie about things, too. So she
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: could have been lied to by someone else. And they
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: couldn't prove that she was doing something salacious when she
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: did that to protect his job.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Basically, there's no.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Proof that she benefited in any way professionally or that
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: she really benefited Mike Vrabel in any way professionally by
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: her reporting. Just that it was definitely slanted positive towards
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel and her notes columns and some different things.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: They said that she was in violation of many ethical standards.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: After reviewing everything, it's not like she's off the hook.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: She violated this, this, and this. And essentially, Hutton, what
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: they're going to do is they're going to train their
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: journalists better. They said, now we're going to have training
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: on this and training on that. The book is closed.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Case closed on Diana Rossini. Are the Titans going to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: pull her credential? Probably not. So the case closed on
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Diana Rossini. Here's what I am going to plea at
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: this point. Sporting States should hire Diana Rossini to be
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the NFL insider. And here's why. People are going to
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: be up in arms about this. People are going to go, oh,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: she did this and she gained fame. Look, she is
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: always going to have that black eye. She's always going
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to be seen a little bit that way as an
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: NFL insider. But what I also saw in this reporting
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: was someone who is very well sourced, someone who did
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: have a lot of stories, someone who does talk to
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: a ton of people around the league. And here is
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: the bottom line of digital media today, whether people like
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: it or not. Your journalistic integrity matters less and less
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: when it comes to these things. Unless you're dealing with
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: the Titans, who now all of a sudden have a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: problem with Jared Stillman's journalistic integrity, it doesn't matter as much.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Here's what I know about Diana Rossini. Wherever she goes next,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: she's going to be watched. She's going to be read.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: It is going to be a big story for whoever
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: hires her. I think Clay Travis should hire her to
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: cover the NFL for Sporting State.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I really do.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be a good move for this company.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I think she deserves a second chance. I think we've
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: seen plenty of other stories of people maybe not deserving
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: a second or third chance to get that big job again.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I think she does, and I hope he brings her on.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I think she's served her time at this point. That
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: would be outstanding.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I think her next move is a host of some sort,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a podcast host, show host, more than it is NFL
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: insider Diana Rossini. I still think she's going to be
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: extremely well-sourced. And, Chad, you're right. Her popularity only goes
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: up from here. What does America love?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: A good affair. And here's the other thing, too.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: The salacious part of it is going to help her
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: sell her brand of whatever she's doing covering the NFL,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: no doubt about it, with the public, I'm saying. I'm
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: not going to say she's going to go start sleeping
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: with other coaches to get stories or anything. I'm saying
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: people are going to perceive that, and that's going to
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: help them watch her do this.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Here's what we also know about Diana Rossini. She's well-liked.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Think of all the media members, Hutton, that protected her
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: because they're friends with her. Think of all of the
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: NFL people that like her, that have talked to her,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: that protected her in all of this because they like
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the person.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: It makes me think now.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying this in some sort of sexual way,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: but everybody has some type of relationship with a source, right?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Like the give and take. Scratch my back, I'll scratch
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: yours type thing. So I think a lot of the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: quote-unquote protection of Diana Rossini is thinking, man, I really
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: hope that so-and-so doesn't know that I, you know, whatever.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And again, I'm not saying like an affair, but it
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: could be literally anything. Or someone's worked with Diana on
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: behalf of a story to co-write something or co-report something
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and has benefited from her information on the inside with
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Vrabel or with whomever. I mean, it's not just Vrabel
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that she knows very well. It's just Braybel that she
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: happens to vacation with. But, you know, it's fascinating because
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I wonder who her first interview will be with, talking to, like, her,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of her story. And, like, does she sell that to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a news platform, like Good Morning America or 60 Minutes
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: if we're still around?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Something like that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Or is it just her first episode of a podcast
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: on whatever platform she chooses? I know there's a report
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: out about Barstool. The connections with Barstool and Vrabel made
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: me laugh when I saw it, how tight he is
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: with those guys. And then the guests that she'll have
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: on her own show.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Her and.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Vrabel should just hash it out on a podcast.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Well, that would be the get. That would be insane.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: That would be the get, would be her and Mike
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Vrabel talking the first time she appears. I'd love for
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: it to be on Sporting State, but wherever she ends
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: up going at her next job or starting at launching
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: a podcast or whatever, Mike Vrabel as the first.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Guest would be the one to get.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I just think that when you look back at it,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: of course, journalistically, it was flawed completely. And it does
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: wreck her credibility in so many ways. And it wrecks
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: the credibility of Mike Vrabel. in some ways, too, when
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: that gets out publicly. I also think that there was no, like,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: there's nothing that was done that she reported on or
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: said that was life-changing to anything.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Except for, like, votes for Coach of the Year or
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Player of the Year. That type of stuff, certainly, like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think she should have a vote for that anymore. Like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: if that's going to lead to someone's bonus, if they
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: win one of those awards or something, then you're talking
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: about other people's financial.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a financial gain to that, right? If
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: you're doing something that goes. He was going for his
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: second Coach of the Year award. I just think that,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: you know, David in the chat says ESPN was silent
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: on this throughout because she worked for ESPN before. Well,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: it's not just because she worked for ESPN, Hunt. I
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: think you hit on something. People at ESPN are smart
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: enough to know. You know, we have reporters, too, that
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: have probably inappropriate relationships with someone.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: They may have known about it, though. They could have known.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just– Again, I don't want to get
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: too much in the weeds because I don't think people–
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, show me the baby. Don't tell
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: me about the childbirth type thing when it comes to
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: an audience and the media. Like, we get wrapped up
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: in the media process of it as media professionals. I
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: don't think the audience cares as much. But I do
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: think that– There is a level– not to this level.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Don't mistake me for saying that everybody– I'm not saying
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Mike Silver is sleeping with Pete Carroll to get information
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: when he.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Was a coach.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I'm saying there is a level to this, you're right
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: about it, with everybody who does reporting. We are not reporters,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: so there's really no quid pro quo for us. We
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: might want to get a guest on because they're a
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: friend of ours or ask them to come on, but
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: there's not a lot of like, hey– I want you
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: to spin this or I need you to report this
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: this way because this is going to help me keep
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: my offensive coordinator. Or this is going to help me
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: do that. That's where the unethical part comes into it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just stating that these unethical breaches, whether intentional or unintentional,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: they happen all the time.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: And all the journalists with a capital J, they know
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: this deep down.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Whether they fight it and they act like it doesn't,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: these things happen all the time. especially in the NFL,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: especially in sports.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't just have to be coaches.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: It could be agents.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: It could be players. It could be whoever you want
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to point to here. 1,000%. But in this case, it
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: was no secret. The running joke was if Diana Rossini
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: is reporting, it's from the desk of Mike Vrabel. That
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was six years of that here in Nashville because she
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: was getting all of that scoop. And again, I would
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: point back to It's not like she's wrong. It's not
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: like she was being used for false information. But if A.J.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Brown is the topic of discussion in the trade and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: she's reporting that he's not going to pull a first-round pick,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that benefits Mike Vrabel and the Patriots because that's helping
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: his market go down a bit, hypothetically, even though they
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: end up with A.J.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I hope that she gets hired by Sporting State to
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: cover the NFL. And, again, the price that both of
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: them paid is in their lives. I mean, they have
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: both paid a big price with their families. So, like, that's–
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that she should be– it's going
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: to change what she does and how people view her,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: whatever job she gets in Media Next, no doubt about it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: And I think she's going to be good at whatever
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: she does, whether it's hosting a podcast or reporting on
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the NFL or writing about it or whatever. But, I mean,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: they are paying the price with what has now happened
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: to their families. There are kids involved. This is very public. Like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: that's something that does not go away when it's public
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So, again, Clay, if you're watching, hire Diana Rossini. Let's
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: make it happen.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, a quick break. Let's recap the college football evening
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that was. Then we've got Walker Jones, and then we
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: have your top ten college football games of the week.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: It is football season, ladies and gentlemen. Plenty with Roe,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: presented by Hard Rock Bet. It is Hutton & Withrow
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: presented by Hard Rock Bet. It's a perfect 10. So
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: is Perfect 10 Mortgage. The name says it. Apply in
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes. Close in 10 days. That's the whole idea here.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: A mortgage that's simple, fast, and fair. 10 minutes start
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to finish right from your phone. No stack of paperwork.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And Chad, no sitting across a desk from a banker
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: who talks down to you. You're going to talk to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: a human being that cares about your situation.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: And they're going to tell you, date the rate, marry
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: the house, put that on a t-shirt, get the house
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: you want now, refinance when rates come down. How many
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: credit cards are you juggling? Every month you send a
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: minimum payment, but that interest is eating you alive. You
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: need to get with Perfect 10 Mortgage. Buying new construction.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Ask about the builder program.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Date the rate.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Marry the house. Get the house you want right now.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Straight talk on what you qualify for. Built for real people,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: not paperwork. Perfect10Mortgage. com or call.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Them at 855-789-1010. That's Perfect10Mortgage. com. Perfect10Mortgage. com.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Is an equal housing lender. Perfect 10 Mortgage is a
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: DBA or network funding LP. NMLS number 2297, equal housing lender.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: All borrowers must qualify. This advertisement is not a promise
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: to make alone.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Hey, if you're watching on YouTube right now, we hope
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you will subscribe to the channel. Give us a thumbs up.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Share that feed for us as well. Join us in
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the chat. If you're on X, welcome. Facebook, we're recently
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: streaming live on Facebook. join us in the chat there
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: as well. We can grow as you share the feed
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: with us. We certainly appreciate that. What I don't appreciate
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: is the way Georgia Tech played last night. How does
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Vegas know this? I have no idea. But Colorado gets
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the win 14-13 in a spread that was nobody's business
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: being even close to a touchdown, six and a half.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, oh, Yellow Jackets got this. Chad's telling
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: me the fall season hinges on this matchup. Yellow Jackets
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: got this. And sure enough, man, yeah, a touchdown at
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the end. Fourth quarter, seven points for Colorado, three for
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. And that's all she wrote, 14-13. I was
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: upset because this is my lock and I'm now 0-1.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, luckily, I don't think we've posted that anywhere yet. So,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: you know, there's no record of it, Hutton. We can
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: just act like this didn't happen because we've been saying
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: this for a month, that we were going to hammer
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Georgia Tech in this game at home to open the season.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And we saw Georgia Tech run all over Colorado a
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: year ago in Boulder. And Coach Prime in Colorado, they
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: go to Atlanta and they get revenge.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Credit them.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: They've got 43 new transfers on that team. I mean,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: they've completely revamped their entire roster. We saw the Tennessee transfer,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Boo Carter, get a fumble recovery and block the kick
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that won the game. I mean, we know how talented
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: he is.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He's got his issues and he showed them at Tennessee.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: But right now the early returns are really good for
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Boo Carter at Colorado. So credit them with that new
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: roster for looking a lot better. Here's what shocked me
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: about this game. One is that Colorado ran at will
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: in that game, right? This was not a big passing effort.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: They ran the football very effectively and, And I thought
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Georgia Tech was going to stifle them at the line
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: That did not happen.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think Georgia Tech ran it nearly as effectively
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: as I thought they would in the game against Colorado's
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: front also. That was a big surprise. And late in
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: that game, Brent Key, one of the all-time just scared
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: football coaching things that I've seen and how he handled
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that whole sequence.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: At the end.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: You go for the touchdown. They're just running the ball
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: to kick a field goal to go up six. I mean,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: you could see it all happening.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, no.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I know Colorado only scored once, but 13-7, they're going
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: to go down and score a touchdown and win this game.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: And sure enough, that happened.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Then they get a huge play on first down, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: they get into field goal range on the first play.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I went back and looked. There was 32 seconds left.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: At that point, they spike the ball, but then they're
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: running it to position the kicker for a 45-yarder, a
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: kicker Hutton, who had missed a 35-yarder earlier in the game.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: And you get the kick block. I will never understand.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: I understand setting up to kick a field goal. You
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: get 15, 20 more yards. I want that thing to
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: be an extra point by the time you get to it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: We're not going to sit here with 32 seconds. and
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: after spiking the ball to stop the clock, go towards.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: The middle with a run and try to do that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Throw the ball.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Do something different to get your kicker even closer on
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: that kick.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: It ends up getting blocked.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was poor by Brent Key, who
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I think is a really good football coach.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I thought they would run all over Colorado. Their only
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: touchdown of the night came on that kickoff return. 100-yard
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: kickoff return. It's mind-boggling how Vegas knows what– could or
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: could not happen, especially this time of year. Um, a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: bigger win for Bill Belichick, quite frankly, than, than prime.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: But Chad, the, the lawsuits going on now at, at UNC,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you've got, uh, Lombardi who's officially resigned now, uh, Belichick's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: son's involved in this as well. I know he's, he's
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: took a leave of absence for medical reasons. Uh, that
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: can mean, uh, rehab according to some reports. Um, The
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: timing of this is not coincidental. Let's put it that way.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: The timing was Michael Lombardi resigned right as that story from,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I think, WRAL, if I'm getting it right, was the
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: outlet that had all the reports on it.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And he said, this is no coincidence.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: He was alerted by that outlet that they were about
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: to run with these stories.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So he went ahead and resigned at that point. He
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: was on paid leave, right? Yeah. I mean, it's all
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: so convoluted. It's hard to know where to start.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: It does look like Steve Belichick has some sort of
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: drug issue that he's in rehab about.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And then a player could be involved. The story actually
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: says this.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: So there's sexual relationships going on with a player and
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: a staffer. There is sexual relationships going on with coaching
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: staff and staffers. There is allegations that Belichick, not the
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: elder Belichick, Steve Belichick, was providing drugs for at least
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: one player on the roster. So he was maybe his
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: dealer or plug.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: In some way.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And now he's no longer, he's not currently with the team.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Lombardi's not with the team. Yeah, follow that trail. And
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the investigation continues.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's one of those, again, it's almost uncomfortable
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: to discuss, much like Rossini and Vrabel, because I think
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: it's worse for the Belichick family right now than anything else.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: They navigated all the mess in that first game for
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: a win without their defensive coordinator there also. So they
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: have something in place to continue on.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: With this season.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: But it's just got train wreck written all over it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: It's very unstable defense. It doesn't seem to be very
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: professional with Mike Lombardi, who, keep in mind, was the
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: highest-paid general manager in college football also.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And now he's resigned. He's former NFL. Is he about
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to join LSU? That's what I saw someone say.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Our guy, SEC Mike Bratton, said, Elaine Kiffin has a
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: chance to do the funniest thing ever. When Mike Lombardi resigned,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: was to hire him at LSU. Yeah, I mean, that
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: would make sense. That would probably be a pretty good
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: marriage if those two got together and hooked up professionally,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's a bad situation in North Carolina. I
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: don't know that it's going to get a lot better.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: It seems like they have the people in place right
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: now to at least sustain something over the course of
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: the season. But, Hutton, this just seems like a lot
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: for Bill Belichick at this point in his life, in
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: his career, that his son is having issues. He probably
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: is not going to coach on that team again, if
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I had to guess, based on these allegations, and that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: He's not there right now. It's a lot happening.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: You know, he's got the young girlfriend who I haven't
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: heard from in a while or haven't seen anything from, right?
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: She's kind of gone dark on everything. Not good in
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Chapel Hill.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: This just came out from LSU's President Wade Rouse's.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Statement. Let's see what he says here, Chad.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: LSU respects the judicial process of the court's decision. Our
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: responsibility is to support our programs while complying with the
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: law and the rules governing our conference. We will carefully
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: review the court's order and continue to work constructively with
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the SEC and NCAA as this matter moves forward. College
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: football does not deserve this kind of ambiguity in eligibility standards.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: This is just another illustration that Congress needs to pass
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: a version of the Protect College Sports Act.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I read that as probably not going to roster them.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Probably not going to play. They're reviewing all of the
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: threats from the SEC and they can't do it. I
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: also want to say there's nothing ambiguous about the SEC
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: stance on this or the NCAA rules. It's against the
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: NCAA rules. If you want to argue that, okay, a
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: court says it's okay, so it should be okay. And
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I think it should be okay for pro players to
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: come back. Then you can make that argument. If you're LSU,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to hear it and it's not a
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: good one, but you can make it. But again, The
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: SEC has not been ambiguous about their stance on this. No.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: There's no confusion about where they stand on this. They're anti.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: And again, you go pro and you can't go back
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: to college. Right. And working constructively, they suit each other.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: What's good in that?
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Working constructively in that, we're going to talk to the
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: SEC and tell them today that we're not going to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: play these guys. That would be the one. To me,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: that's the one solution in all this. We're going to
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: send them packing and then go find somewhere.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Else to play.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I'll believe that statement when Kiffin says it.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: The president. I agree.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: They've got to say it. I'm just saying that's what
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I'm telling them to do now. To release that statement,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: now go to the SEC and say, we relent. We
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: won't play these three guys, and you win, and we'll
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: go get ready for Clemson.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Walker Jones about to join us from the Grove Collective,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: great friend of the show. Can't wait to chat with
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: him next here on Hutton & Withrow.