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Bonus Episode - Disgraceful Disclosures, Conspiracies, and 11.22.63 · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party. The bridge gave from one full episode or
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland to the other the backyard to dig into the dirt.
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Speaker 1: On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's
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Speaker 1: subject of the Disgraceland full episode, Woody Harrelson, And of
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Speaker 1: course that means we're talking about who killed jfk It's
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Speaker 1: eleven twenty two this week. Also, plus we have a
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Speaker 1: dramatic Sean Combs courtroom turnaround, and of course we are
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Speaker 1: diving into your voicemails, texts and more, and as always,
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of rules. All right, disc goes, let's
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Speaker 1: get into it. So, the anniversary of the John F.
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Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination is Friday eleven twenty two, and we've designed
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Speaker 1: this week's programming around this event, the big event, as
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Speaker 1: James Elroy called it in his nineteen ninety five book
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Speaker 1: American Tabloid, A different James James Files, who many of
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Speaker 1: you brought to my attention over the last few days
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Speaker 1: on mainly on Instagram, some on X James Files, the
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Speaker 1: convict who from prison in nineteen ninety four admitted to
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Speaker 1: being the Grassy Nule shooter. James Files also used the
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Speaker 1: same language the big Event, when describing the Kennedy assassination,
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Speaker 1: as did E. Howard Hunt during his deathbed confession in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, when he cops to his own
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Speaker 1: involvement in the killing of Kennedy, or to his involvement in,
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Speaker 1: as he called it, the Big Event. None of these
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Speaker 1: depictions mentioned Charles Harrelson, the father of this week's full
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Speaker 1: episode subject of Disgraceland, Woody Harrelson. That's right, Woody from Cheers,
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Speaker 1: his dad, Charles Harrelson. None of these depictions of eleven
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Speaker 1: twenty two sixty three mentioned Woody's dad's involvement in the
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Speaker 1: Kennedy murder or his arrest as one of the three
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Speaker 1: tramps out on the Grassy Knoll on that fateful day
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Speaker 1: in November of sixty three. There are so many theories
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Speaker 1: involving the murder of Kennedy, and this is this week's
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Speaker 1: question of the Week and received a ton of feedback
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Speaker 1: from you guys, both on social media, email, voicemail, text,
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Speaker 1: everywhere on what you think happened on that day on
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Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. This story, it never
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Speaker 1: fails to captivate me. It's like that Godfather trope. I
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Speaker 1: think I'm out, and I get pulled back in. You know,
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Speaker 1: I love thinking about this story and I love talking
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Speaker 1: about it, and it's clear that you guys do as well.
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Speaker 1: I've yet to go through all the voicemails in the
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Speaker 1: text I'm going to before we get through this recording,
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Speaker 1: but so far, nobody but me has mentioned the conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theory involving George Herbert Walker Bush. I'm not theorizing that
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Speaker 1: George Bush, and to be clear, and not talking about
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Speaker 1: George W. Bush. I'm talking about his dad, first president,
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Speaker 1: who's elected president in nineteen eighty eight and who is
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Speaker 1: vice president for Ronald Reagan before that. Now, I'm not
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Speaker 1: theorizing that Bush killed Kennedy, but I do think he
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Speaker 1: was involved. Also, most interesting for our purposes here in Disgraceland,
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Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush and Woody Harrelson's dad, Charles Harrelson,
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Speaker 1: were not only both in Dallas that day, I believe,
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Speaker 1: but they also lived in the same town, Midland, Texas.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they were going out for coffee and
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Speaker 1: donuts together on Saturday mornings down in the Midland Town
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Speaker 1: Center and conspiring about how to kill the president, as
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Speaker 1: I do believe Lee of Oswald, Clay Shaw, and David
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Speaker 1: Ferry were doing at parties in New Orleans at that
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Speaker 1: exact same time. But you know, even if Charles Harrelson
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Speaker 1: and George H. W. Bush didn't know each other, and
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Speaker 1: I don't think they did know each other, the fact
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Speaker 1: that what He's dad and W's dad were both in
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Speaker 1: Dallas that day and involved in the shooting that day,
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Speaker 1: and also both from Midland, Texas at that time, it's
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Speaker 1: pretty incredible. Our episode details what his dad's involvement. He
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Speaker 1: was a convicted contract killer and he admitted to shooting Kennedy,
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Speaker 1: and the photographic evidence from that day does a pretty
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Speaker 1: damn good job implicating Charles Harrelson as being one of
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Speaker 1: the three tramps arrested on that day. The photographic evidence
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Speaker 1: also does a pretty good job, not as good, but
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Speaker 1: still solid improving that George H. W. Bush was also there. Okay,
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Speaker 1: four presidents were in Dallas on that day, and one
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Speaker 1: of them, JFK, died and the other three all benefited
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Speaker 1: in some ways by his death. Bush denies being there.
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Speaker 1: Lyndon Baines Johnson was there for obvious reasons, Richard Nixon
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Speaker 1: was there on a fundraiser, and Bush was there. But
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Speaker 1: Bush denies it. And there's the photo. Okay, you can't
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Speaker 1: deny the photo. Now, the photo it's not conclusive, but
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Speaker 1: when you line that photo up against later photos of
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Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush, you can even tell by the
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Speaker 1: body language the similarity. In connection with the reporting around
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Speaker 1: this discovery that Bush was in Dallas on eleven, twenty
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Speaker 1: two sixty three, This came out during Bush's vice presidency
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Speaker 1: in the eighties, and he denied being there to the
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Speaker 1: reporter when he was asked. Okay, through a spokesperson, but
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Speaker 1: still he denied it, And then he denied that he
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Speaker 1: was even part of the CIA, an agency that he
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Speaker 1: led for a brief time in the nineteen seventies before
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Speaker 1: he was vice president. But Bush was caught in that
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Speaker 1: lie when a memo from jaegg Or Hoover was discovered
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Speaker 1: that names Bush as being part of the CIA going
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Speaker 1: back as far as nineteen fifty three. And Bush's father,
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Speaker 1: Prescott Busch, was for sure CIA. He was Yale, he
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Speaker 1: was Skull and Bones, he was oss Okay. And then
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Speaker 1: there's the other lie that George HW. Bush was caught in,
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Speaker 1: the one brought to light by the other FBI memo.
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Speaker 1: The FBI was doing no favors for George HW. Bush
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Speaker 1: by this other FBI memo that came to light that
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Speaker 1: puts Bush in Dallas on that day. And like I said,
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Speaker 1: there's the photo of Bush standing outside the Texas Book
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Speaker 1: Depository right after the shooting. So what was he doing there? Well,
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Speaker 1: he wasn't killing John F. Kennedy, but I believe he
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Speaker 1: was part of it, and he likely didn't even know it.
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Speaker 1: The going theory was that he was sent there as
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Speaker 1: a young friendly ally of the CIA, if not an
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Speaker 1: actual asset, as someone from the area who knew the
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Speaker 1: area and who could do a portion of the CIA's bidding.
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Speaker 1: In this case that meant disinformation. The theory states that
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Speaker 1: Bush was there to so doubt and confusion after the shooting,
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Speaker 1: to muddy the waters, to make it impossible for us
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Speaker 1: to suss out what actually took place, which is what happened,
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Speaker 1: by the way, because here we are sixty one years
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Speaker 1: later debating what actually went down on that day and
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Speaker 1: who was responsible. Oswald did it alone. Oswald didn't do
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Speaker 1: it alone at all. Oswald didn't do it. James Files
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Speaker 1: did it. Charles Harrelson was the gunman. E. Howard Hunt
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Speaker 1: was a man who orchestrated it all on the ground.
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Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush is guilty. LBJ had Kennedy killed.
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Speaker 1: It was the Mafia, the CIA, the Cubans, the anti
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Speaker 1: Castro Cubans. Of all these theories, the one that holds
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Speaker 1: the least sand with me is the LBJ theory that
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Speaker 1: a lot of you have mentioned to me this week
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Speaker 1: on Instagram on x and with good reason. I get
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Speaker 1: why you guys think LBJ had Kennedy killed. Clearly stood
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Speaker 1: to benefit, especially when you take into account the theory
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Speaker 1: that LBJ feared that he was never going to get
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Speaker 1: a shot. Okay, LBJ hated the Kennedys, even though he
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Speaker 1: was Kennedy's vice president. It was a transactional partnership Kennedy
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Speaker 1: needed to win Texas. He couldn't do that without LBJ.
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Speaker 1: That's how LBJ became vice president. And Johnson was incredibly
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Speaker 1: career minded, incredibly aspirational, huge ego as well, saw himself
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Speaker 1: as the president, saw Kennedy as a punk, and he
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Speaker 1: thought that Kennedy was going to run again in sixty four,
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Speaker 1: and of course he was going to win, so that
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Speaker 1: would have put Johnson on the bench for eight years.
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Speaker 1: And then after Kennedy won, after eight years, Bobby Kennedy,
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Speaker 1: who LBJ hated even more than he hated Jack Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy would then get the nomination for the Democratic
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Speaker 1: Party and run and then it would be another eight
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Speaker 1: years before LBJ could get anywhere close to the Democrat nomination.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about Ted Kennedy. That's what these
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Speaker 1: peak guys were thinking back then, Okay, And it's understand
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Speaker 1: they were forecasting. They're opportunistic, they're career minded, they're trying
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Speaker 1: to figure it out. So Jack Kennedy dies and LBJ
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Speaker 1: certainly stands to benefit from it. And this was also E.
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Speaker 1: Howard Hunt's theory. E Howard Hunt was cia. E Howard
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Speaker 1: Hunt was definitely involved in this. E Howard Hunt was
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Speaker 1: later involved, came to prominence, came to the public view
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Speaker 1: during the Watergate hearings. He's part of that as well.
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Speaker 1: So when E. Howard Hunt dies, you can hear this
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Speaker 1: deathbed confession. You can go on YouTube and find it's
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Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. His whole thing is that he was involved. Yes,
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Speaker 1: but LBJ was really pulling the strings. But I just
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Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't see LBJ rolling up his
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Speaker 1: sleeves and putting this plan into action. It's just too craven.
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Speaker 1: It's too machiavelian, even for a Texas politician. I can
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Speaker 1: see him. I can see LBJ as Vice president, getting
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Speaker 1: some sort of notion of what was going on and
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Speaker 1: just simply stepping out of the way and allowing things
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Speaker 1: to click into place because he sensed or knew overtly
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Speaker 1: that he would benefit from it. But no, I don't
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Speaker 1: believe he was actually pulling the strings. I do believe
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Speaker 1: that the mafia was behind the nuts and bolts of
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Speaker 1: the assassination, and that they work hand in hand with
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Speaker 1: freelancing CIA assets and associates to pull off the big event,
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Speaker 1: just as they had work hand in hand with the
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Speaker 1: CIA during the Bey of Pigs. They had the same crew,
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Speaker 1: and they just got the band back together a couple
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Speaker 1: of years later. It's basically the James L. Roy theory.
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Speaker 1: And I believe that the higher ups at the CIA
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Speaker 1: and higher ups in the government like LBJ, like I said,
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Speaker 1: were aware, if not directly responsible, and that they just
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Speaker 1: let it happen. So under this sort of broad mafia
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Speaker 1: CIA theory, all the theories mentioned above pretty much are
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Speaker 1: still possible. They can all be true, and they likely are.
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Speaker 1: Which is the beauty, the absolute beauty of a conspiracy
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Speaker 1: like this. And it's sort of what I hint at,
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Speaker 1: not hint at, I kind of get at it overtly
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Speaker 1: in the Frank Sinatra episode of Disgrace Slam. But you
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Speaker 1: have all these interested parties moving in the same direction
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Speaker 1: at once. Okay, Oswald could have been a shooter, if
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Speaker 1: not the single loan shooter. James Files could have been
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Speaker 1: as well, and he very well might not have even
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Speaker 1: known about Oswald in the book Depository. Same goes for
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Speaker 1: Woody's dad, Charles Harrelson on the Grassy Knoll could have
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Speaker 1: been a shooter as well, could have had no idea
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Speaker 1: that there were two other shooters. There goes the magic
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Speaker 1: bullet theory. And there's your firing squad triangulation, by the way,
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Speaker 1: so bye bye, bad back. Jack Oswald could have been
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Speaker 1: activated by the CIA, James files activated by the mafia,
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Speaker 1: as he claims, those two things are not mutually exclusive. E.
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Speaker 1: Howard Hunt, Okay, he was CIA to his core, so
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Speaker 1: was George H. W. Bush. Hunt very clearly knew why
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Speaker 1: he was there, given his stature in the agency. But Bush,
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Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush was young, he was likely there
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Speaker 1: and on a need to know basis, George, we have
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Speaker 1: a problem. We're trying to prevent Dallas. Go to go
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Speaker 1: over to Dallas spread this misinformation by calling it a
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Speaker 1: false report to the FBI, and then it happens and it's,
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Speaker 1: oh shit, George, the President's dead. Well we tried, oh well.
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Speaker 1: And then Bush goes on to the rest of his
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Speaker 1: days knowing something was very rotten in Denmark, I mean Dallas,
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Speaker 1: and that he got played into it. But he never
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Speaker 1: actually has the proof. All of these different parts moving
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Speaker 1: at once, unknowingly in most cases, towards the same end
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Speaker 1: goal is genius level manipulation, which is what senior members
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Speaker 1: of the mafia in the CIA are and always have
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Speaker 1: been genius level manipulators. This the big event was their
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and they won. But as another of the
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Speaker 1: CIA's victims, Malcolm X once said, the chickens are coming
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Speaker 1: home to roost. I believe that it's more likely than
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Speaker 1: not that this Trump administration brings us disclosure on this issue.
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Speaker 1: Trump vowed to release the JFK files during his last
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Speaker 1: term and didn't because CIA director at the time Mike
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Speaker 1: Pompeio talked to him out of it, making the case
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Speaker 1: that there were still people alive who would be embarrassed
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Speaker 1: by the truth. First of all, fuck those people. You're
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Speaker 1: embarrassed of what the murder you took part in. The
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Speaker 1: baked in elitist establishment attitude underlying this rationale is so gross.
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Speaker 1: We the people, the people who theoretically run this country,
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Speaker 1: We the people deserve to know what happened, as do
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Speaker 1: the Kennedys. I'm no fan of the Kennedys. I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, even if you're liberal or your conservative or what,
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Speaker 1: the Kennedys have a lot to answer for. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not talking about Jack or Bobby, who I think were
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Speaker 1: relatively great in what they did back in the day,
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Speaker 1: but still the family deserves to know if they don't already.
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Speaker 1: And Mike Pompeo is gone and apparently he isn't coming back.
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Speaker 1: And Bobby Kennedy Junior Okay, RFK Junior, Bobby Kennedy's son,
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Speaker 1: Jack Kennedy's nephew is potentially going to be part of
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Speaker 1: this administration. And I think it's more than likely that
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Speaker 1: we end up getting disclosure on this issue. I hope,
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Speaker 1: I really really really hope. Okay. I also think that
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Speaker 1: we're going to be getting more UFO and UAP disclosure.
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Speaker 1: We got a bunch of it last week, by the way.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to derail this conversation we're having right now, but holy shit,
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Speaker 1: that congressional hearing. And I also think we're gonna get
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Speaker 1: more info on Epstein. I think this info it's going
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Speaker 1: to be underwhelming. I can give you more on my
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Speaker 1: tea leave reading here on Jeffrey Epstein in the all
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Speaker 1: access portion of this episode coming up later. Again, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to derail this, but I see this a
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Speaker 1: lot in the last weeks months, A lot of people
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Speaker 1: are grouping all this disclosure, the disclosing of Like I said,
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Speaker 1: the JFK files, UFOs, Epstein. They're grouping that with disclosing
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Speaker 1: of the Diddy tapes. Okay, now this I don't agree with.
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Speaker 1: I don't think this is how it works. Seawan Combs
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Speaker 1: is part of an active investigation and soon an active trial.
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Speaker 1: We hope, although I have news on that might not happen.
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Speaker 1: It would be highly dubious if during this period a
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Speaker 1: trove of sex tapes we're somehow released by the administration.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to happen. I just think
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Speaker 1: that's insane. We might get some videos, but we're not
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Speaker 1: gonna get it like that. It's not gonna be part
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Speaker 1: of the same disclosure we're already seeing disclosure with UFOs
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Speaker 1: and UAPs. And like I said, i'll talk more about
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Speaker 1: the Epstein thing later in the all access portion of this,
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Speaker 1: and we just talked about the JFK disclosure. I don't
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Speaker 1: think the Diddy thing is part of that. But regardless,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a very disgraceful twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: and I personally cannot wait. Okay, it's gonna be incredible.
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Speaker 1: All right on, Shawn Combs real quick to keep you
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Speaker 1: guys updated a lot has gone down this week. It
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Speaker 1: was a very busy week. He was in court again
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and there were of course also separately more
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Speaker 1: accusations from more victims via Tony Busby. We also learned
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Speaker 1: this week, and this is in part why Shan Colmes
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Speaker 1: was in court, we learned that Ditty cell was raided, okay,
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Speaker 1: and the prosecutors are alleging that Ditty has been trying
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Speaker 1: to coerce witnesses or influence witnesses I should say, from jail,
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Speaker 1: allegedly based on this rating of his cell. Where prison
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Speaker 1: guards came in, they swept the cell, they took a
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Speaker 1: bunch of shit. They found notes. They collected these notes
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Speaker 1: from Didty cell where Didty is apparently making legal plans,
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Speaker 1: and it has to do with witnesses and coercing them
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Speaker 1: and influencing them and potentially bribing them, all kinds of
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Speaker 1: crazy stuff. So they take these notes and then there's
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Speaker 1: this Diddy has to show up in court on Tuesday
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Speaker 1: with his attorneys presumably to discuss defend. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but it has to do with these notes. So they
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Speaker 1: go into court and then shockingly the decision on Tuesday
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Speaker 1: that the judge rules is in favor of Shawn Combs
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Speaker 1: and his legal team. The judge rules that the notes
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Speaker 1: that were seized in his cell are not admissible in court.
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Speaker 1: Now Didty's team is claiming that Shawn Combs's case needs
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Speaker 1: to be thrown out based on the breaking of attorney
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Speaker 1: client privilege because the notes that were seized from Didy's
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Speaker 1: cell were clearly marked legal or at the very least,
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Speaker 1: the team of prosecutors for the government needs to be
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Speaker 1: recused based on their part and what is being called
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Speaker 1: or alleged to be widespread institutional failure. I personally am
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Speaker 1: shocked that the judge ruled the way that he did.
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Speaker 1: Here no word yet on whether the case will get
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Speaker 1: tossed completely, although again that's what Shawn Combs's team is
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Speaker 1: asking for. And there's also no word on whether or
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Speaker 1: not the prosecution will be recused, so we will know
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Speaker 1: more On Friday eleven twenty two. There's that infamous date again,
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Speaker 1: when Shawn Combs goes back into court to hear the
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Speaker 1: judge's decision on his bail, which is why all of
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Speaker 1: this is relevant. The reason that Shawn Combs was not
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Speaker 1: granted bail was because the prosecution argued that he was
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Speaker 1: he was trying too hard to influence the case from
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Speaker 1: the outside, influence potential witnesses. Now Combs is arguing that
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Speaker 1: he should be released from jail on bail to await
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Speaker 1: his trial, and personally, until this week, I thought there
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Speaker 1: was no way in hell that the judge was going
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Speaker 1: to let him out none. I thought that the papers
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Speaker 1: that were seized proved that Ditty should not be released
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Speaker 1: because they proved that he was indeed trying to influence
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Speaker 1: witnesses on the outside. But now the fact that the
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Speaker 1: judge ruled in favor of Combs and not the prosecution,
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Speaker 1: it has me rethinking everything here, or at least feeling
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Speaker 1: like I have no idea what the hell is going
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Speaker 1: to happen during Ditty's Friday bail hearing. I doubt the
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Speaker 1: case gets tossed completely as Sean Combs's team is requesting,
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Speaker 1: and I doubt the prosecution's legal team gets recus But
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe by the time we talk next week. Did
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Speaker 1: he's eating turkey at his Star Island mansion instead of
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Speaker 1: slop in a Brooklyn jail? Next week Thanksgiving, one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite holidays. We're gonna be chilling here at Double Elvis,
19:13
Speaker 1: like all of you are. But as far as your
19:15
Speaker 1: podcast feeds go, it will be business as usual. You're
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Speaker 1: getting the regular release of episodes that you get every week.
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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, we have a Thanksgiving themed episode on the
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Speaker 1: band in Martin Scorsese. Why, okay, why do we have
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Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving themed Why is this episode Thanksgiving themed? You
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Speaker 1: might ask, Well, it's because it's about the band's concert film,
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Speaker 1: The Last Waltz, which was filmed directed by Martin Scorsese.
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Speaker 1: It was filmed on Thanksgiving. They even serve Thanksgiving dinner
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Speaker 1: to the concertgoers and performers. Neil Young Dinito. I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure he had the shits from all the illegal gag
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Speaker 1: he was hoovering up backstage with Rick Danko. But still,
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Speaker 1: it's a Thanksgiving episode about one of the greatest Thanksgiving
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Speaker 1: concerts ever, and it will beg the question. Okay, when
19:57
Speaker 1: you're listening to next week's episode, I want you to be
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Speaker 1: thinking about, well, what is the greatest concert film of
20:02
Speaker 1: all time? Is it the Martin Scorsese directed Last Waltz.
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Speaker 1: Try to come up with a suggestion for a better
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Speaker 1: concert film than The Last Waltz and let me know.
20:11
Speaker 1: Let me know if you can. I know there's some
20:13
Speaker 1: contenders out there. I'm not going to do the work
20:15
Speaker 1: for you, but I know you guys know some contenders
20:17
Speaker 1: as well. I want to know. We'll talk about it
20:19
Speaker 1: in next week's after party. All right, So you're also
20:21
Speaker 1: going to be getting an after party episode on Thursday
20:23
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving. You can listen to that when you're stuff
20:25
Speaker 1: in your turkey or doing the dishes, or driving home
20:27
Speaker 1: from Grandma's house. And of course, while you're stuck at
20:29
Speaker 1: the airport on Friday, there's going to be a rewind
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Speaker 1: episode for you. This week's rewind episode, however, is JFK themed. Okay,
20:36
Speaker 1: we're staying on theme this week. This week's rewind episode
20:40
Speaker 1: is the John Denver episode. If you want to know
20:43
Speaker 1: more on E. Howard Hunt in his role in the assassination,
20:46
Speaker 1: than I invite you to listen. I'll have more on
20:48
Speaker 1: this later in the show, and I'll be back right
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Speaker 1: after this break with your theories on eleven, twenty two
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Speaker 1: sixty three in a moment. All right, we are back,
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Speaker 1: and man, I could talk about JFK conspiracies all day long.
21:20
Speaker 1: I know you guys could too. The more I think
21:22
Speaker 1: about it. Actually the more I think we should have
21:24
Speaker 1: a form for some of the wilder conspiracy theories that
21:27
Speaker 1: are out there as they relate to our episodes and
21:29
Speaker 1: the subjects that we discuss. The problem is that it's
21:33
Speaker 1: hard to talk about this stuff without being labeled a kook.
21:36
Speaker 1: But the reality is a lot of these so called
21:39
Speaker 1: conspiracies end up being proven to be true. Yesterday's conspiracy
21:44
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases is today's historical fact. That's
21:47
Speaker 1: just the truth, and the Kennedy assassination is a perfect example.
21:51
Speaker 1: I could give you ten more, but just it was
21:54
Speaker 1: once considered kooky to not believe the lone gunman theory,
21:58
Speaker 1: but it's now pretty much universal accepted that there was
22:01
Speaker 1: some sort of conspiracy at play. We should be able
22:03
Speaker 1: to talk about these stories and pursue the truth without
22:06
Speaker 1: the labeling, and perhaps for the more wacky theories, we
22:09
Speaker 1: should be able to speak about them objectively. The problem
22:13
Speaker 1: is when and where? Okay, even as it pertains to Diddy,
22:17
Speaker 1: for example, do you guys know that do you know
22:19
Speaker 1: the Britney Murphy kim porter, Askting Kutcher Shawn Cohm's theory.
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Speaker 1: It is wild, and I don't think it's to be
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Speaker 1: dismissed out of hand. I think there may be something there,
22:29
Speaker 1: and I don't want to come off like some of
22:31
Speaker 1: lace curtain jaguar, right, But it would be cool to
22:34
Speaker 1: lay this theory out to you guys objectively, again objectively,
22:37
Speaker 1: not saying that like, I believe in this theory, but
22:40
Speaker 1: it's worth discussing and then to get your thoughts on it.
22:42
Speaker 1: We can have a conversation about it and see where
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Speaker 1: it fits into the objective viable facts of the ditty
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Speaker 1: case as they've already come out, as they've come to light,
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Speaker 1: as they're coming to light. I don't know, just the thought.
22:52
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a way to do this in twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: I've got some ideas percolating. Okay, speaking of your thoughts,
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Speaker 1: let's hear your thoughts on the JFKKS. Woody Harrelson in
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Speaker 1: his contract killing.
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Speaker 2: Old Man Hey Jake Abby in Colorado, been a follower
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Speaker 2: since the beginning, huge follower of the JFK conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 2: Been a hobby of mine for years. I was lucky
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Speaker 2: enough to visit the conspiracy Museum in Dallas years ago.
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Speaker 2: The guy was just opening it and he gave us
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Speaker 2: a private tour. To me, the most compelling piece of
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Speaker 2: evidence is that if you get a closed up picture
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Speaker 2: of the three hobos who are arrested at the Grassy Knoll,
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Speaker 2: you can clearly see that one of them is Woody
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Speaker 2: Harrelson's dad, which indicates an inside job. Anyway, keep it coming.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for everything, and we know the CIA did it.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Abby, Thank you for the call in the long
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Speaker 1: time listenership. I appreciate it. I've been to the Grassy Knoll.
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Speaker 1: Actually I went up to the fence, as I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you did, and when you're there you can see clear
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Speaker 1: as day that it was a prime, prime position to
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Speaker 1: get a shot off. Charles Harrelson might have been one
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Speaker 1: of the shooters. A regard to the museum, I didn't
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Speaker 1: know about this conspiracy museum. I didn't know about this
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Speaker 1: at all. Sounds like seeing the image firsthand convinced you
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Speaker 1: that what his dad was indeed there, which is pretty
24:12
Speaker 1: damn interesting. Thank you for the call. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: check out the nine oh four.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, let's up with Patrick from Jacksonville, Florida. Nine
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Speaker 3: oh four. Question about the JFK. I'll ever know who
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Speaker 3: killed him because I don't think it is a national
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Speaker 3: security issue, anywhos The theory that I have heard bandoned about,
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Speaker 3: and the one that I really subscribe to, is that
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Speaker 3: I do believe Oswald was there. He shot shots from
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Speaker 3: the book depository. From what information I've heard is it's
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Speaker 3: likely that he first shot missed, the motorcade heard and
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Speaker 3: saw the shot accelerated. Oswald shot another bullet which picked
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Speaker 3: JFKA the so called magic bullet I posed, that passed
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Speaker 3: through him and into the governor in the front seat.
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Speaker 3: And as the motorcade was feeding off, a Secret Service
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Speaker 3: agent in the car following the presidential limousine stood up,
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Speaker 3: the car accelerated. He fired his weapon accidentally as the
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Speaker 3: car set up, and he fell down. And that bullet
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Speaker 3: is the one that struck can be in the head
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Speaker 3: jfcabe blown away. What else do I have to stay?
25:53
Speaker 3: And there are reports on the ground of people seeing
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Speaker 3: a bright flash from the car behind them, the muzzle
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Speaker 3: muzzle flash. And there are reports of people on the
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Speaker 3: pedestrian overpass there in Dealy Plaza smelling gunpowder as a
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Speaker 3: motorca passed underneath Russian gaycade. The parklad Hospital there, there's
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Speaker 3: a great documentary on it called I think it's the
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Speaker 3: smoking gun that really covers that theory. But yeah, I
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Speaker 3: don't think we'll ever really know, but that's the one
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Speaker 3: that makes the most sense to me. Without being a
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Speaker 3: conspiracy nut. I do believe that there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: interest groups people slash, et cetera, blah blah blah that
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Speaker 3: wanted him dead and probably had the means, motive opportunity.
26:43
Speaker 3: But the secret service agents we'll see and cover up
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Speaker 3: thereafter is the one that I subscribe to. Anyways, love
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Speaker 3: to show fee.
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Speaker 1: Okay, this theory is new to me, and Patrick, you've
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Speaker 1: laid it out beautifully. You're also one of many this
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Speaker 1: week who have brought this theory to my attention, and
27:05
Speaker 1: that's why that's why I love this this whole JFK subject.
27:08
Speaker 1: It's endless. It's endless, and the thing I like about
27:12
Speaker 1: this theory is that it's simple. It's kind of wild,
27:15
Speaker 1: it's very out there, but it's also simple and involves
27:18
Speaker 1: an obvious cover up and it cuts out, you know,
27:22
Speaker 1: two things can be true at the same time, like
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Speaker 1: the CIA and the mafia and people in government, LBJ, etc.
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Speaker 1: Could have all wanted Kennedy to be dead, to be
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Speaker 1: shot right, and it could have just been a crazy
27:34
Speaker 1: Oswald and then this happenstance being shot by the Secret Service,
27:39
Speaker 1: which would of course necessitate the wild cover up. This
27:43
Speaker 1: is fascinating and I think it supports the Pompeo thing
27:49
Speaker 1: with a little It gives the Pompeo thing a little
27:51
Speaker 1: bit more validity where he's saying, you know, we don't
27:54
Speaker 1: want this to come out now, mister President, because it's
27:58
Speaker 1: too embarrassing to people who are still alive. And that
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Speaker 1: could mean Secret Service agents. It could mean Secret Service
28:06
Speaker 1: as an institution and not the CIA, because think about it,
28:11
Speaker 1: if it came out tomorrow officially that the CIA had
28:13
Speaker 1: their hand in this, we'd all kind of just go yeah,
28:16
Speaker 1: no shit, of course they did. You know what I mean,
28:19
Speaker 1: if it came out that it was a Secret Service,
28:22
Speaker 1: I think people will be really shocked. Now all that said,
28:26
Speaker 1: do I believe this? I don't know. Not really. It's
28:29
Speaker 1: a little too far fetched. But I am going to
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Speaker 1: watch this documentary. I'm excited about it. So thanks for
28:34
Speaker 1: the call. Patrick six one seven nine oh six six
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Speaker 1: six three eight guys voicemail and text, just like Chuck
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Speaker 1: in the three three seven who writes and hey, Jake,
28:42
Speaker 1: if you're born in Louisiana, two things are absolutely gonna happen.
28:46
Speaker 1: You're given an LS usher at birth and told in
28:49
Speaker 1: no uncertain terms that New Orleans mob boss Carlos Marcello
28:54
Speaker 1: had Kennedy killed with help from trafficante. Carlos had an
28:57
Speaker 1: intense personal hatred of the Kennedy and it made them
29:01
Speaker 1: look like jerk offs during the nineteen fifty nine Senate hearings,
29:04
Speaker 1: claiming he was a simple tomato farmer who made wise investments,
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Speaker 1: and Bobby Kennedy more than got even when he had
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Speaker 1: Marcelo basically kidnapped without allowing him even a phone call,
29:14
Speaker 1: put on a private plane, and unceremoniously just dumped the
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Speaker 1: mob boss in Guatemala. Jake, this was a major mob boss,
29:22
Speaker 1: totally fucked and humiliated by the Kennedy's. Jack goes on
29:28
Speaker 1: to talk a lot of Oliver Stone, a lot of
29:30
Speaker 1: Jack Ruby, a lot of Oswald. And I think you
29:34
Speaker 1: know I'm reading this text because we didn't really get
29:36
Speaker 1: into the mafia end of this mafia end of this
29:38
Speaker 1: as much as we did the CIA angle here. But yes,
29:42
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning Bobby Kennedy was a ruthless prick when
29:46
Speaker 1: it came to the La Cosa Nostra members here in America.
29:51
Speaker 1: And this Marcelo thing was huge and no doubt played
29:53
Speaker 1: a part in the assassination of Bobby's brother. I believe
29:56
Speaker 1: that for sure. All Right, let's check out this text
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Speaker 1: and the eight one four who writes saying, Hey, I've
30:01
Speaker 1: heard lots of theories over the years regarding JFK's death.
30:05
Speaker 1: The Paul Landis theory about Secret Service agent George Warren
30:08
Speaker 1: Hickey Junior accidentally firing his rifle seems very compelling to me.
30:12
Speaker 1: And I'm reading this one to you because it backs
30:14
Speaker 1: up with the voicemail we just heard. And again, I
30:18
Speaker 1: got so much of this on Instagram, and I'm a
30:21
Speaker 1: little embarrassed that I didn't know this theory. And again,
30:23
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch this tonight and happy to get
30:25
Speaker 1: into and keep this conversation going on the Secret Service
30:29
Speaker 1: culpability here with the Kennedy assassination. Lots of comments like
30:33
Speaker 1: I mentioned on Instagram on x at this Grislam pod,
30:37
Speaker 1: you guys want to hit me up, want to read
30:38
Speaker 1: a couple of them here New Dawn Fade seventy three
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Speaker 1: writes a top secret memo supposedly written on eleven, twelve
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Speaker 1: sixty three, the President ordered the CIA director to organize
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Speaker 1: the agency's intelligence files relating to UFOs and to debrief
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Speaker 1: him on all quote unquote unknowns by the following February,
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Speaker 1: ten days later. Kennedy was a sad fascinated this. This
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Speaker 1: one really excites me. I gotta say, I've heard mention
31:06
Speaker 1: of this before, that Kennedy was going to disclose the
31:10
Speaker 1: government's information on Roswell and on aliens, and I kind
31:15
Speaker 1: of just dismissed it. This is like one how many
31:17
Speaker 1: rabbit holes can you actually fall down into? But after
31:21
Speaker 1: getting this message here from who's this from New Dawn
31:24
Speaker 1: Fades seventy three, I dug into it a little bit
31:27
Speaker 1: on my own, and yeah, certainly there was a memo
31:30
Speaker 1: dated on eleven, twelve sixty three. You can find it
31:32
Speaker 1: from Kennedy to the CIA, stating just that that he
31:36
Speaker 1: wanted the info. What do you got? What do you
31:38
Speaker 1: got on aliens? I know you got something. I want
31:40
Speaker 1: to know what it is so I can give it
31:41
Speaker 1: to NASA, because I don't trust you fuckers in the CIA,
31:44
Speaker 1: and I want my people in NASA to be figuring
31:46
Speaker 1: it out, and then, of course ten days later he shot.
31:49
Speaker 1: Now was that the reason he was shot? I don't
31:51
Speaker 1: think so. I don't know, but it is fun to
31:53
Speaker 1: think about. Sharon Stavoi writes in Well, my conspiracy theory
31:57
Speaker 1: co worker, we call him flat Earth. That that helps,
32:00
Speaker 1: and with the description, thinks it was not other than
32:03
Speaker 1: the beautiful first lady herself. He says she was mk Ultrade.
32:08
Speaker 1: Thought he was talking about beer at first, said he
32:12
Speaker 1: was mind controlled for years. Seems completely impossible to me,
32:15
Speaker 1: and I always loved her for her elegance. She's talking
32:17
Speaker 1: about Jackie O, her strength or poison stoicism. Flat Earth
32:21
Speaker 1: sticks to his theory, though he again also believes that
32:23
Speaker 1: we live under her dome. Strange thing as if you
32:25
Speaker 1: listened to him long enough, thought dot dot Well, Sharon's
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Speaker 1: Stavoy and flat Earth, whoever you are. I don't think
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Speaker 1: Jackie O was MK Altrude. I think Jacqueline Kennedy at
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Speaker 1: the time, Jacqueline Bouvier before that was very establishment and
32:42
Speaker 1: that's not who got mk ltrade. Mk Ultra, for those
32:45
Speaker 1: of you who don't know, was a secret CIA program
32:50
Speaker 1: that was run in the I believe going back to
32:54
Speaker 1: the fifties and throughout the sixties where they would dose
32:58
Speaker 1: unwittingly John's who are looking for prostitutes, hippies, et cetera,
33:03
Speaker 1: and sort of, you know, see what they could get
33:04
Speaker 1: them to do, sort of create these Manchurian candidate test
33:08
Speaker 1: you babies, so to speak. I'm not doing a good
33:10
Speaker 1: job explaining it because frankly, I don't want to do
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Speaker 1: a good job explaining it because it's we can just
33:14
Speaker 1: go on and on and on and on and on
33:16
Speaker 1: with these conspiracies. But you know, I thought that was
33:18
Speaker 1: interesting to see how far and why these theories can go.
33:21
Speaker 1: Jackie O did not kill her husband, did not shoot him.
33:24
Speaker 1: I've said, that's not the only time I've seen that.
33:26
Speaker 1: I saw it in a couple other comments as well
33:27
Speaker 1: at Disgrace, lampod Gust, Instagram, ex TikTok to get at
33:32
Speaker 1: me on this and anything else that you want to
33:34
Speaker 1: talk about. Oh man, Jackie O and MK Ultra. Now
33:37
Speaker 1: I've lost my train of thought. Where were we? Question
33:40
Speaker 1: of the week? Next week is going to be greatest
33:42
Speaker 1: concert film you can You can think about that while
33:44
Speaker 1: you're when you're listening to the band in the Last
33:46
Speaker 1: Waltz episode and you can get at me six one
33:49
Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight or at
33:51
Speaker 1: Grace Lampot. I'm gonna take a quick break back in flash.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we are back. Disgracempod at gmail dot com.
34:12
Speaker 1: You want to hit me up with anything related to JFK,
34:14
Speaker 1: related to the Last Waltz, related to anything we're discussing
34:17
Speaker 1: here at all. Disgracedpod at gmail dot com. This one
34:21
Speaker 1: comes from Bob Bob or I said, Hey, from what
34:23
Speaker 1: I understand, John Denver was a sniper and a military
34:26
Speaker 1: version of MK Ultra and shot the President from the
34:29
Speaker 1: freeway overpast Bob, Bob Man, I appreciate this email, I
34:37
Speaker 1: really do. Bob. Just sit tight, okay, because you listen
34:40
Speaker 1: into this after party bonus episode and then the next
34:43
Speaker 1: one that's gonna hit your feed. The next episode that
34:45
Speaker 1: hits your feed right after this, the rewind episode, is
34:48
Speaker 1: on John Denver and Bob. I hope you listen to it.
34:51
Speaker 1: And for anybody else who has not heard the John
34:52
Speaker 1: Denver episode yet, you might be thinking John Denver, who? What? Why?
34:57
Speaker 1: I fucking hate John Dever. I'm like you, I don't
34:59
Speaker 1: like John de I don't like his music. I never had.
35:01
Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend in high school who's who loved
35:04
Speaker 1: John Denver is like, what the fuck, John Denver? What
35:06
Speaker 1: are we doing? Everyone I know loves John Denver though,
35:09
Speaker 1: so I should probably shut my mouth hole here. But
35:12
Speaker 1: John Denver has a lot to do with the jfk assassination.
35:15
Speaker 1: So so for those who know, no, okay, you guys know,
35:20
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But for those of you
35:22
Speaker 1: who have not heard this episode yet, check it out,
35:24
Speaker 1: all right, and then I want you to get back
35:26
Speaker 1: at me. Okay, I want you to email me and
35:28
Speaker 1: tell me what you thought. I want you to call
35:29
Speaker 1: me and let me know what you thought. Six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine six six sixty three eight. I want you
35:33
Speaker 1: to text me, get at me however you want, on Instagram,
35:35
Speaker 1: on X and just let me know what you thought
35:37
Speaker 1: of this John Denver rewind episode. Okay, Bob, I'm talking
35:40
Speaker 1: to you, but I'm also talking to all of you
35:42
Speaker 1: have not yet heard it. Okay, it's coming up next. Okay.
35:44
Speaker 1: This one I meant to read last week, but I
35:46
Speaker 1: did not. It comes from Kimberly Whitehead. She writes, saying, Hey, Jake,
35:50
Speaker 1: I guess I'm a little disappointed about the focus on
35:52
Speaker 1: Diddy and no acknowledgment of the death of the almost
35:56
Speaker 1: eight decade career of Quincy Jones. Producing Thriller was not
36:00
Speaker 1: Quincy's only highlighted accomplishment of his career. I guess I
36:04
Speaker 1: just expected more, being that you are a music lover,
36:07
Speaker 1: and Kimberly goes on to say, I'm not sure why
36:09
Speaker 1: there's such a focus on Diddy. Wendy Williams and others
36:11
Speaker 1: tried to expose him over the years and were repeatedly
36:13
Speaker 1: shut down. I guess for me, Diddy is not the issue.
36:16
Speaker 1: For decades, plenty of men in the industry behaved in
36:18
Speaker 1: this manner, only women weren't believed entities would fix it,
36:21
Speaker 1: and technology wasn't there to catch them, although head of
36:24
Speaker 1: Hopper Luella Parsons and Confidential magazine knew what line not
36:29
Speaker 1: to cross. I appreciate you taking the time to read
36:32
Speaker 1: my email, Kimberly from the five P one to three
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Speaker 1: home of Roger Trautman of ZAPP. There's so much in
36:36
Speaker 1: this email that I want to get to you. First
36:37
Speaker 1: of all, Kimberly, You're right, I didn't mention Quincy Jones,
36:40
Speaker 1: and I damn well should have in the after party.
36:42
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones was a giant. Okay, he was an icon,
36:47
Speaker 1: and that word I feel like gets thrown around too
36:50
Speaker 1: much these days, and so much so that it's lost
36:52
Speaker 1: its meaning. So much of popular music would not sound
36:55
Speaker 1: the way that it sounds right now if it weren't
36:58
Speaker 1: for Quincy Jones. So much of pop culture would not
37:00
Speaker 1: be what it is if it weren't for Quincy Jones.
37:03
Speaker 1: And of course, I'm very aware that Quincy Jones has
37:06
Speaker 1: a long, long, long important contribution to the music world
37:13
Speaker 1: that goes far beyond Thriller. But thriller might be the apex.
37:17
Speaker 1: And so you know, I didn't mention in the after party.
37:20
Speaker 1: But in my defense, I did talk about it on
37:22
Speaker 1: social media. Now, I know that that is a small
37:24
Speaker 1: audience comparatively to how many people listen to this podcast,
37:28
Speaker 1: so you might have missed it, But in my mind,
37:30
Speaker 1: I was sort of checking the box there, and then, yeah,
37:32
Speaker 1: I should have mentioned it in the episode, and I
37:34
Speaker 1: did not, And I appreciate you bringing it up. There's
37:37
Speaker 1: more here in your email, though, Kimberly that I want
37:38
Speaker 1: to dive into a little bit because I just think
37:40
Speaker 1: it's great you talk about the focus on Ditty these
37:43
Speaker 1: days and Wendy Williams, I did not know this. I
37:48
Speaker 1: didn't know this about the Wendy Williams part of the
37:50
Speaker 1: Ditty story. And I know that it goes deeper than
37:52
Speaker 1: what you mentioned here, and it's sort of like it's
37:54
Speaker 1: on a shelf in my brain. Is something that I'm
37:56
Speaker 1: going to figure out at some point. But just because
37:59
Speaker 1: this was brought to light, and like I've been saying
38:02
Speaker 1: all along, is that this was an open secret. People
38:04
Speaker 1: knew that Ditty was a was up to something we
38:07
Speaker 1: didn't but we didn't know what it was, okay, And
38:10
Speaker 1: I think I think, if you're being honest, Kimberly, you
38:13
Speaker 1: would say that even you, I'm guessing, did not know
38:17
Speaker 1: the depth of the depravity here that we're hearing when
38:19
Speaker 1: it comes to Ditty. So I think that's why we
38:21
Speaker 1: keep talking about it, because this story is going in
38:24
Speaker 1: a eaxillion different directions, and it's going very deep, and
38:26
Speaker 1: it's going to touch a lot of people in the
38:27
Speaker 1: entertainment entertainment industry. And I don't disagree with you that
38:31
Speaker 1: men have been in the entertainment industry have been able
38:33
Speaker 1: to cover this up, this type of behavior up for years.
38:37
Speaker 1: But I do think that Ditty's behavior is in and
38:40
Speaker 1: of itself unique comparatively to most of what we have heard. Okay,
38:44
Speaker 1: when you were talking about drugging women at parties with
38:49
Speaker 1: lubricant and baby oil, and I mean, it's just it's
38:53
Speaker 1: so shocking. It's the biggest music and true crime story ever,
38:57
Speaker 1: and we've yet to really scratch the surface, which is
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Speaker 1: why I'm going to keep talking about it, and I
39:02
Speaker 1: hope I can do it in a way that is
39:03
Speaker 1: compelling enough to keep you around, Kimberly. Finally or not finally.
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Speaker 1: I like how you mentioned head of Hopper Luella Parsons
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Speaker 1: in Confidential magazine Verry James l Roy there. I dig
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Speaker 1: that the old school Hollywood gossip, sort of tabloidy stuff.
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Speaker 1: Love that. And Roger Trautman and Zapp from your hometown, Kimberly.
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Speaker 1: He deserves his own Disgrace Line episode. Sooner or later,
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Speaker 1: some point we got into him in the I think
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Speaker 1: Pretty sure, pretty sure we did all right. Disgrace sampod
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Speaker 1: going to read it because if we've got into it here.
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Speaker 1: This one's from Kirk Kirk. I appreciate it. Kirk recommends
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Speaker 1: that I'm I've consider myself well acquainted with the JFK
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Speaker 1: subject who told you to speed up the podcast? Message?
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Speaker 1: Not loving it as a long time listener. The previous
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Speaker 1: time was more mellow. Now I get anxious listening. And
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Speaker 1: maybe this is your objective. Well, mission accomplished. You should
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Speaker 1: could be happening here. One, you could have your podcast
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Speaker 1: I'm really actually talking like this. But it speeds it
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Speaker 1: it because I wanted to. I wanted to hear my
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Speaker 1: rant there and see if I went overboard. I didn't,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to listen, and I did, and I
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Speaker 1: went back and I realized, holy shit, I was talking
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Speaker 1: very fast, and I did something different in that episode.
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Speaker 1: I usually record these in the afternoon, but I got
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Speaker 1: of espresso and I recorded that episode I think around
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Speaker 1: like eight nine am something like that, jacked on coffee
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Speaker 1: and espresso. And you can hear it. You can hear it,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, I'll slow roll it a little bit for
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Speaker 1: can make it work. But no promises. Let's see here,
41:48
Speaker 1: what do we got? All right? The art of storytelling
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Speaker 1: perfected by DJ Chemist goes on to say Disgraceland is
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Speaker 1: an excellent podcast that I highly recommend. As an Art
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42:01
Speaker 1: Who's our Bell? Archie Bell? Not Archie Bell? Who's Art Bell? However,
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Speaker 1: I recently discovered Disgraceland and it's right up there with
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Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Art Bell? When it comes to hosts.
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Speaker 1: I go for a one to two mile walk every
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Speaker 1: He goes on to say some very nice things here,
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Speaker 1: Lord is a fan of the brevity, and you shall
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Speaker 1: goddamn appreciate the reviews, guys. I appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you spreading the word. We are an independent podcast.
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Speaker 1: We're bootstrapping it, trying to get the out promotion. Don't
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43:06
Speaker 1: for those who want a little extra Disgrace Lanty vibes
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Speaker 1: this holiday season, we're doing a book club. We're doing
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Speaker 1: it on December eighteenth at eight pm Eastern Standard Time.
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Speaker 1: And the book we've decided on that you guys decided
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Speaker 1: on really is James L. Roy's Perfidia and John F.
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Speaker 1: Kennedy makes an appearance in this book and it's kind
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Speaker 1: of Christmasy, so it makes sense, okay if you want
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Speaker 1: more than Kennedy assassination in your Disgrace LAM podcast. Like
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, we get a rewind episode coming up this
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Speaker 1: Friday on John Denver. Now listen if you're listening to
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Speaker 1: don't know, twenty twenty five you're listening to it well
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Speaker 1: beyond the release date here in late November twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: if you're listening to it later a couple months later
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Speaker 1: and you hear about John Denver coming up next to
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Speaker 1: your feed, it ain't gonna be next to your feed.
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Speaker 1: We do these rewind episodes. We pop them in, they're
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Speaker 1: up there for a couple of weeks, and they go
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Speaker 1: right back to their order in the archive. Okay, but
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Speaker 1: I'm just letting you guys know there is a kick
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Speaker 1: ass John Denver episode coming up right after this episode.
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Speaker 1: All right, so check that out. Now. This episode is
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Speaker 1: talk to your fellow discos. Back in the flash, all right,
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Speaker 1: we are back. Like I said, guys, lots going on
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Speaker 1: in the archive. You know this, so many episodes. If
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Speaker 1: you're new to Disgrace Igne, We've got over two hundred episodes,
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Speaker 1: full episodes. I'm not including the bonus episodes here the
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Speaker 1: after parties. We have over two hundred fully scripted, sound
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Speaker 1: designed episodes in our archive on artists, musicians from every
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Speaker 1: dark stories from the world of entertainment. We have some
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Speaker 1: episodes on actors, some Hollywood folks, a couple athletes, artists,
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Speaker 1: it's all there. I like to sort of give here
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Speaker 1: in the E block while we close out these after parties,
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Speaker 1: a little roadmap to some of these archive episodes based
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Speaker 1: on what we talk about in the bonus episode. Frank
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Speaker 1: Sinatra came up earlier. That's episode number sixteen. That's where
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Speaker 1: release date back in July July thirty one, twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: I really get into the conspiracy theory there around JFK
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Speaker 1: in that episode check that out if you have not
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Speaker 1: heard it, and he want in a hilarious episode on
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Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy. A fantastic episode on Kennedy from before
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Speaker 1: excuse me story, anecdote on John F. Kennedy from before
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Speaker 1: he was president. Check out the Steve McQueen episode. That's
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Speaker 1: episode one sixty six that was released earlier this year,
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Speaker 1: back in March March nineteenth, twenty twenty four. Of course,
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Speaker 1: Kennedy was involved the early days of Vietnam and he
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Speaker 1: was he was not about it, okay, he was going
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Speaker 1: to end our occupation there, and that's in part place
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Speaker 1: to the theory of why he was killed. If you
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Speaker 1: want to know how Vietnam happened, how it started, in
46:40
Speaker 1: the craziness there, and how it connects to Jim Morrison
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Speaker 1: from the Doors, check out episode number thirty four that
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Speaker 1: was released back on June twenty fifth, twenty nineteen. And
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Speaker 1: of course it's a Kennedy bonanza. Bobby Kennedy, Jack Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: Do we get into Ted, No, there's no Ted. Ted
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Speaker 1: could have his own episode though, chap equittic, but lots
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Speaker 1: of Kennedy, lots of Kennedy's in marril Ros episodes and
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland episode number one seventy five, released on May fourteenth,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, in episode number one seventy six released
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Speaker 1: on May twenty first, twenty twenty four. So check those out, guys,
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Speaker 1: and of course we got the John Denver episode coming
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Speaker 1: up on Friday. Thank you for the calls, thank you
47:16
Speaker 1: for the voicemails, thank you for the reviews. I get
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Speaker 1: a jump, but before I do, let's recap number one
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Speaker 1: right now on your feed. Our episode on Woody Harrelson
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Speaker 1: number two coming tomorrow. Like I said, special rewind episode
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Speaker 1: from our archive on John Denver and his ties to
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Speaker 1: the jfk assassination. Remember that if you're listening to this
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Speaker 1: I'm where I'm talking to you, there's a chance then
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Speaker 1: that this John Denver rewind episode has popped back into
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Speaker 1: episode in your web browser you'll get a link. And
47:45
Speaker 1: of course, all archive episodes and their respective links to
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Speaker 1: dot com and organized by season. Okay, number three next
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Speaker 1: week we're talking about the band in Martin Scorsese's Last Waltz.
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Speaker 1: We're doing that for Thanksgiving. And the question of the
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Speaker 1: week is gonna be what is the greatest concert film
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Speaker 1: of all time? Number four? Merch winners, get in touch.
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Speaker 1: You know who you are. Number five. Remember no one
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Speaker 1: cares about great storytelling more than you do. And well
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Speaker 1: that's a disgrace. And also I started saying this a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago because of the election. I meant
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Speaker 1: to only do it once, but you know what, I
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Speaker 1: like saying it, So I'm gonna I'm not gonna stop. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep on going with this message. Love your neighbor.
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Speaker 1: Your neighbor is not your enemy. They might just not
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Speaker 1: agree with you. And that's okay. Grace, Patient's peace, love
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Speaker 1: and understanding and rock and rolla all right. In honor
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Speaker 1: of this week's episode, our Woody Harrelson and his contract
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Speaker 1: killing Dad, the Billboard charts from the day Charles Harrelson
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Speaker 1: was arrested outside of the Texas Book Depository near the
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Speaker 1: Grassy Knoll on November twenty TEWOD nineteen sixty three. Number one.
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Speaker 1: I'm leaving it up to you, Dale and Grace last
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