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Richard Harris: When Lies Lead To Intolerance Towards Christians · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in.
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We appreciate you guys and Merry Christmas season.
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It's getting close, isn't it?
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I hope you have a meaningful one, and remember the reason for the season, and take advantage
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of all the opportunities that we sometimes are oblivious to, where people around us are
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hurting, and they need to hear the truth about Jesus Christ.
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So, so blessed to have some of the guests that we get to talk to and to encourage the
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body of Christ and uplift and sometimes, you know, challenge those of us who maybe have
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not been doing a great job as a salt and light out in our culture today.
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His guest is no different.
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Richard Harris serves as the executive director of Truth and Liberty.
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He's the host of the Truth and Liberty Show and founder of Richard Harris Ministries.
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His passion for God and country combined with experience as a minister of the gospel
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and attorney make Richard a powerful speaker and writer who inspires believers across the
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nation to stand for truth in our generation.
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That's why we love him.
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That Truth and Liberty Richard spearheads its vital work to educate, unify, and mobilize
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Christians to stand for biblical truth in all spheres of cultural influence.
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It's so good to have you on today, brother.
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Thank you for your time.
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Good to see you, Richard.
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Hey, David.
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Thank you so much for having me on.
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I'm looking forward to the show.
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Well, I love, I watch your show on CTN Network, and I know people can get it online, and
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you across social media platforms as well.
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We have a lot of very similar guests.
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In fact, I was just looking at your Facebook page.
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We've had Sam Sorbonne.
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Actually, they, Kevin and Sam were in the studio like about six months ago.
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They were in town.
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What were they doing on Wisconsin anyway?
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Caleb Collier and just going through some of the guests.
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We have a lot of troublemakers for the Kingdom of God, people that actually believe in making
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an impact outside of church walls Monday through Saturday, and I love your stand, I love
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some of the programs, and I wanted to start by just talking about two of them, and then
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we'll get into some disturbing but not surprising statistics about young people and their idea
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of free speech and their reaction to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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But first of all, I loved your interview with Abby Johnson.
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She's coming out with a new project next year, unthinkable, and you had just a great
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conversation with her.
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Just give us a little of your feedback on her conversation with you.
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I thought it was a great interview.
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Yeah, well, I really enjoyed that.
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If I remember correctly, it was very sort of down to earth and conversational, and we even
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got a little bit personal on a few things.
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The subject of abortion to Abby is more than just academic.
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It was life-changing for her when she got to see an abortion actually occur on ultrasound,
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and it just completely rocked her world and turned her upside down, and she lives, has
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to live with the knowledge that she participated in what was the number 29,000 deaths of unborn
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children.
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She lives for the purpose of making abortion unthinkable now, and she does it with so much
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humility and grace.
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It's really quite incredible.
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Really looking forward to seeing that new film come out.
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I loved unplanned, and I think unplanned was like a cultural event for America.
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It was one of those tipping points that helped eventually when the case of that overturned
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row took place, Dobbs versus Mississippi.
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I think her movie was one of the cultural stones on the right side of the scale that
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tipped it.
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Love Abby Johnson.
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She's fantastic.
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Great interview, brother.
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I think that a lot of people in America, because the media won't really talk about the
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whole, they don't cover all the aspects of abortion and what it is, right?
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They frame it as reproductive freedom, or whatever, women's health, and it's such a lie.
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And so people don't actually hear the truth about what happens, not only in the actual
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performance of the act of abortion, but how it affects women down the road, all the psychological
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issues, the mental health issues, except I've done, you know, read up on that, some really
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disturbing studies that the media won't touch.
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So they're doing a disservice to the country and the world, actually.
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Well, one of the things I'll never forget, I think it was Father Frank Pavone, and I'm
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not Catholic, but I love this quote.
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He said, America will not resist abortion until America sees abortion.
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In other words, what it actually is, and what are your thoughts on that, and how can we
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get more people, even in the church, Richard, to understand what this is, and they're not
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protecting women's health by being pro-choice?
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Yeah, what a great quote, I hadn't heard him say that, but that's really fantastic.
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I think you're absolutely right, David.
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So during the years leading up to the American Civil War, slavery was an issue, and it was
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morally reprehensible, but most Americans didn't want to deal with it, right?
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Until there was a picture that was published, photography was brand new back then, but
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it was published night, can't recall which paper.
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It was somewhere in the Ohio Territory area out there, whatever, Indiana.
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And it was of a slave who had been repeatedly whipped, and his back was filled with scars.
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You've probably seen this photo.
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And this image was so grotesque and shocking that it actually moved public opinion toward
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action in Raisin Alarm.
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And I think the same kind of thing needs to happen now with abortion, just like Abby
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Johnson, except on a national level, where Americans can see with their own eyes that a living
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human being is being ripped apart and murdered inside its mother's room, that's the bottom
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line.
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And what we need to do as believers is we need to, with grace and love and kindness, but
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we still need to speak the truth, and we need to describe this for people.
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We need to tell people what abortion actually is, and on your point about women, yeah,
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we need to talk about that, because abortion not just kills a baby, but it harms women,
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depression, suicide, ideation, and lifelong health risks go up, risk for breast cancer,
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risk for infertility, and other things.
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So even a normal abortion increases the odds for that, and then you have the ones that
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have complications and other things.
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So these stories need to be told, and we need to get it out of the abstract into the real
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life truth of the matter.
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So I wasn't playing on spending so much time on this one, but it's such an important issue,
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because it's life and death, literally, Richard, so Roe v Wade was overturned, and now
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there are more abortions, and because there's the pill, they can just do it at home without
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a doctor, and which is dangerous, but this goes beyond just changing politically and passing
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pro-life laws or abortion bans, doesn't it?
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This is a heart issue with young people, young man and woman, and the church has to maybe
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educate young people better in this, don't you think?
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Oh, there's no doubt about it, no doubt about it, David.
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I mean, as Paul the Apostle said, the pillar in ground of the truth, the church has a prophetic
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role, a prophetic anointing to speak truth to the culture.
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And so this abortion, what makes the news today?
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Well, the war in Ukraine, the war in Gaza, murder on the streets in America, and although
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those things are horrific and terrible and are worthy of our attention, and we ought to
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be working to end that violence, but there is no act that is more widespread and violent
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than abortion.
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It is the number one killer, number one cause of death around the world.
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Last year, so over 70 million innocent human beings were murdered by abortion.
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It's the silent murder, silent atrocity, the genocide of our age, and that's enough
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people to, that's more people than live in the entire nation of Great Britain.
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It's like five times the population of New York City wiped out every year, not ever even
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getting to feel their mother's touch or breathe the air on this side of the womb, or not
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to mention experience all the other joys and pleasures of life, or coming to know Jesus
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Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, none of it.
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They're killed in the womb, 70 million every year.
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We have got to do a better job and we've got to start raising the alarm.
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Amen.
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Brother, okay, on to another episode that you recently did.
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This was a really great interview, Richard.
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It was with Kamal Saleem.
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I'd love for you just to describe that briefly.
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We talked a little bit before we got on the podcast.
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I said, how did you not get a strike from YouTube from this one?
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Because it was a very good, truthful interview about the spread of Islam and the civilization
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in G-Hod, which a lot of people don't understand.
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Could you just describe that or explain that interview what you talked about in that episode?
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It was wonderful.
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Oh, yeah.
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In fact, I think that was a two-part show, what we did is, so there's a church.
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It's in Nice, France.
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It's a Protestant church, and our ministry is connected with them in several ways.
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One of the young women in the church, I had met, and she was telling me about that her
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life was saved, literally, when Kamal Saleem came to her church and ministered, and I was
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like, oh, I know Kamal Saleem.
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She was like, you know Kamal Saleem?
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I said, yeah, he's a friend of mine.
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She told me her story, which was she was engaged to be married to a Muslim.
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This Muslim man in Nice, France, was becoming violent and aggressive and abusive toward
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her.
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Kamal had been invited to come to the church and speak, and so her mother almost forced
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her to go to church.
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She didn't want to, but she did, and Kamal shared, he just with great tenderness, but unrelenting
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conviction told her, you cannot marry this man.
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And told her exactly what was going to happen, and even what was happening, he knew so well.
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Because Kamal was raised as a Muslim in Lebanon, and he was trained to be a jihadi.
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He was sent to the United States in the 1980s to do cultural jihad.
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He didn't know, but God had another agenda, and Kamal ended up encountering Christians and
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saw how the Christian doctor in his life treated his wife with love, respect, and compassion,
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and it rocked Kamal's world.
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He called out to Allah for answers, but Allah didn't show up.
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Jesus Christ showed up, appeared to him in his bedroom, and Kamal got radically saved
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and set on fire for Christ.
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And so he changed this girl's life minister, and I just wanted the world to hear this story,
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and to know about what's happening in Europe, as Muslims have been, the doors have been
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flung open, and Muslims are human beings.
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I know that, and I love and respect them, but we have to understand what they believe,
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and what their ideology is, because they are not interested in peace, they are not.
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Not the religion is not interested in that, what they want is conquest, they want the whole
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world submitted to Allah through Islam, it's called sharia, sharia law, and they have
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a whole strategy.
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And immigration is one of the key components of that strategy.
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They immigrate until their numbers become sufficient, and then they turn aggressive
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and violent, and recruiting Western women to be their wives is part of the process,
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to gain them citizenship, their children's citizenship, and it's all subversive and wicked,
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and we have to raise, we have to become aware of this, so that's why I had that show in
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that party.
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It was a really great interview, I agree with that, not because of me, but because of
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these amazing guests.
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So Richard, where can people access, I know you've got a lot of outlets, and on the truth
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and liberty website, where else can people access these, the podcast or these interviews?
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Well, yeah, I think the best place is going to be our website at truthliberty.net, because
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you can go to the archives there and find anything.
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You can also search in our resources center, and it will pull up our videos.
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But also the GTN, Gospel Truth Network, Andrew Wilmex Digital Network.
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You can find all of our shows on there, and our social media channels, YouTube, and Facebook.
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I'm not sure how easy it is to find stuff on Facebook, but certainly on YouTube.
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So I also find there's a link to newsfeed, and I just happened to click on that.
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Now we're going to transition a little bit, because I got Joe Concha over the Washington
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Examiner, loved the Washington Examiner.
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He was talking about Charlie Kirk, who should have been Time Magazine's person of the year,
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and he said that he wrote an opinion piece for the examiner and said, hands down, based
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on his impact, and how big of a story that was, and apparently Charlie Kirk wasn't even
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on Washington, or the Time Magazine shirt list, and you know who was, who got the person
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of the year, architects of AI, Time Magazine names, architects of AI, artificial intelligence,
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sort of a class, a group of people without name, as its person of the year 2025.
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So acknowledging the growth of an expansion of AI, but no surprise, the liberal complicit
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media that just does not have a biblical worldview, no surprise that they wouldn't give
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Charlie Kirk credit for his impact.
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Your thoughts on that real quick, Richard?
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Well, that's really interesting.
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I think they would have sold a lot more copies if they'd have made Charlie the Man of the
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Year, but I mean, who's going to want to read about some unnamed group of people, but
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so, you know, yeah, it's not surprising.
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It's kind of typical, right, Charlie Kirk articulated with great effectiveness the truth,
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and it is a direct threat ideologically and mentally to the whole left wing worldview,
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and your show is all about worldview, David, and so yeah, of course Time Magazine is not
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going to be comfortable featuring him.
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That's not what they want to talk about, how someone dismantles everything we believe.
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So you know, it's very human of them not to do it, but they call themselves journalists,
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right?
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So they need to be objective, and so we can have a legitimate beef there.
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Charlie Kirk has had more influence in a shorter time than anyone I can think of, right?
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And his impact on this generation has been absolutely phenomenal.
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I know that just from watching my own sons, what one of them is still a teenager to
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whom are adults now, and the impact he's had on them.
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They were literally grieving and weeping when he was killed.
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I tell you, they unleashed a movement.
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The movement was already going, but they have just thrown gasoline on the fire, and you
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know, the AmpFest conference is coming up next month.
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It's going to have 20,000 people there, and it's going to be powerful.
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I just think, you know, Time Magazine, they can do whatever they want, but no one's
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stop in this movement.
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That's right.
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And it's amazing, and this is grassroots.
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It's authentic.
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It's really taken off like crazy, 31 years old, the impact he had.
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We've got to take a brief pause worth Richard Harris and the website, France Truth and Liberty.net.
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When we come back, some stats on what college kids think or believe about Charlie Kirk's
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Richard now some stats, just so much ignorance out there, but I understand that because of
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the nature of the media and the government run school system and everything else, the
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lies.
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But only 4% of college kids know that Charlie Kirk's alleged killer was a left-winger.
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That's according to the media research center.
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Also only 24% of likely voters know that Charlie Kirk's killer was left-wing.
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And there are other stats as well.
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We're going to talk more about Charlie Kirk, but your thoughts on the fact that kids aren't
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getting the truth.
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They're not hearing.
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I mean it's hard to believe that they think that he was a mega because that's what I think
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Jimmy Kimmel said that first that Charlie Kirk's assassin was a mega supporter.
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Big lie, but they believe the lies, right?
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Well they do and it does boil down to where they get their information and where they get
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in their news.
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And most of them are on TikTok and maybe they watch CNN, I doubt it.
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It's probably for an older crowd, but they probably saw Jimmy Kimmel's clip and that was it
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for them.
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That's probably all they ever heard about it and then it's into the chat rooms.
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And so yeah, once again, someone once told me that the left lies better than we tell
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the truth.
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I think there's truth to that.
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I don't really.
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Yeah, they do.
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So we need to get that out there for sure.
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So that's tragic.
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But the bigger problem, and it's kind of related though, is the world view that these young
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people have because a recent poll showed that 26% of 18 to 39 year olds in America and 24%
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of Democrats as a whole believe America is better off after Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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What a horrible shocking number that is.
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It's amazing to me.
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So we've got some work to do.
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We've got a real problem on the left in this country.
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So yeah, I see that.
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And 26%.
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I mean, I guess we shouldn't be surprised because of the lack of true factual information, but
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think about it.
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He was killed just for speaking the truth.
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He was offensive.
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He was a threat because a lot of people thought that he was speaking hate speech, right?
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And they disagree with our biblical world view.
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So now they think our words are hate.
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Isn't that a new, I think 90% of young people, was that that stat?
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Was I correct on that?
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Yes, they are.
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I've got it.
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Go ahead.
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Yeah, I've got an article in town hall today on that.
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Recent poll shows 90%.
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Think of that.
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90% of college students in America believe that words are violence.
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They have been so fully indoctrinated and steeped in this secular, humanistic, Marxist world
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view that they don't even know what free speech is, much less valuing it.
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Free speech means, oh yeah, that means you're free to say something I agree with, right?
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If you say something and I disagree with, then you must not be, you must hate me.
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And that's not fair, and that hurts my feelings, so that's violent.
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It's almost as if we are trying to reason with a bunch of six-year-olds or something.
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And you know, our education system has been so dumbed down.
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We've completely neglected education into the founding principles of this nation.
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We've purged God from all of our institutions and public life.
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So there's really no intellectual foundation available for young people even to base a
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proper understanding on.
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So we need to really figure out what we're going to do about educating the youth of this
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next generation, and we've got to reform our schools and get our kids out of schools.
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And there's a whole lot more to say about that, but we are in some very deep trouble right
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now as a country.
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I agree.
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And you're preaching to the choir here.
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We just had Alex Numenon last week, and we talked about that, talked about the impact
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of socialism and the media on kids.
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But Richard, before we run out of time, I just want to make sure that people know that
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they can invite you to speak.
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I see it looks like on your website, there's a picture of you preaching at a church, and
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I know you do other events as well.
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I can't imagine you doing that with your busy schedule.
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But tell us about your personal ministry outside of the program, Truth in Liberty.
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Well thank you, David.
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I really appreciate that.
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Yeah, so I do speak on invitations.
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So folks can go to my website at RichardHarrisMinistries.com if they'd like me to join them, be happy
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to consider any invitation, and I'm an attorney, but I also am a minister of the gospel.
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So I'd love nothing more than to minister the Word of God.
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It's the greatest privilege ever, so I would love to hear from folks.
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Okay, so now with your attorney hat placed on your head, what are you concerned about
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with the Supreme Court cases coming down in 2026, or maybe a takeaway that's something
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that flew under the radar, maybe for most of us in 2025?
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What are your thoughts?
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Well, we've had some great rulings.
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This court is the best court we've had in, I don't know, maybe two generations.
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It's really phenomenal.
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The overturning of Roe vs. Wade and many other rulings upholding the power of the states
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to ban funding for Planned Parenthood under Medicaid, reigning in federal judges for
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ishing these nationwide injunctions, and many other common sense rulings that are getting
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back to the rule of law and the Constitution.
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One of the greatest cases, though, was the Kennedy vs. Bremerton School District where
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they said that a high school football coach was free to pray on the 50 yard line, even
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if students were joining him voluntarily.
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And then overturned the decision of Limon vs. Kurtzmann from 1971 that was the basis for
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7,000 cases in the federal courts for stricken freedom of religion in America, so fantastic.
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But what have they missed?
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Well, they missed a super opportunity recently.
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Kim Davis was a clerk, county clerk in Kentucky, and after the Oberg fell versus Hodges decision
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which said that, oh, look, looky here, we found a right in the Constitution for homosexuals
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to marry each other, and no state can limit it.
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Don't ask me where that language is, well, you can ask me, I'll tell you, it's not there.
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But Kim Hodges said, well, I'm a Christian, and I can't in good conscience participate
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in this because it's called an abomination by the word of God, so I can't issue your
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license to marry.
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You can go down to the next county or you can go down the hallway here to somebody else,
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but I can't do it.
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Well, they ended up firing her, she also got prosecuted and incurred hundreds of thousands
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of dollars in attorney's fees.
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And her attorney Matt Staber brought that case all the way to the United States Supreme
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Court under the First Amendment, saying she has a right under the religion clause to exercise
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her faith and take a stand.
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And the Supreme Court declined to hear it, which was real tragedy because they had an opportunity
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not only to stand up for freedom of religion, but also to overturn Oberg fell.
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And they chose not to take the case for reasons they only know.
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I'm hoping that maybe it's just because they're looking down the road for a case that's
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better postured for some reason, and they do do that, but that was a real shame that
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they missed that one.
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Yeah, I agree completely.
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I remember that.
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My goodness.
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And by the way, they find language when they want to find language to support certain
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decisions.
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I mean, think of the original case, Roe v. Wade, and 1972, 1973.
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Yeah.
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So Richard, truth and liberty.net, we really appreciate you.
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We would love to continue the conversation.
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You've got a, just a wealth of knowledge and you do so much great work, but I'll make
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sure people go check out your programs.
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Christmas is coming up just in less than a minute.
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Just want to share your heart with our viewers, our audience.
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Oh, man, I love Christmas, David.
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Thank you for that.
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So excited.
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You know, God so love the world that He gave is only begotten the son that whoever believes
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in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.
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God loves you, and He sent Jesus into the world to be His expression of His heart and character.
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And He gave Himself on the cross for our sins.
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Imagine being born for the sole purpose of dying and being raised again, but that's
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what happened.
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And the Lord said, greater love has new man than He lay down His life for His friends.
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So we celebrate Christmas at the birth of a newborn baby looking forward, though, to the
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work of that baby, which is His death on the cross and His resurrection.
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And Jesus brings new life to all of us.
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And no matter what we're going through in this world and all these political battles
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and everything else, we can rejoice because we know the end.
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God has already told us that we win because of what Jesus did beginning that first Christmas
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day.
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Amen.
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The word became flesh.
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He is the way the truth in life, Richard Harris, truth and liberty.
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Thank you so much for your time, producer.
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Thanks David.
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You're most welcome friends.
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Thank you for watching listening and sharing God bless you and as always, keep speaking the
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truth about things that matter.