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Hour 2: Double Jeopardy for Luigi Mangione? · The Mark Simone Show

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Speaker 2: The number to call is eight hundred three two one
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Speaker 2: zero seven ten. Eight hundred three two one zero seven ten. Well,
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Speaker 2: of course, all the buzz this morning is on Luigi
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Speaker 2: Luigi Luigi Mangioni. Everybody wants to find out what is
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Speaker 2: going to happen, and I think that Listen, I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you right now what happens being in the TV biz,
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Speaker 2: all right, Having been in the TV biz for forty
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Speaker 2: years that I have been, you have people who work
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Speaker 2: in the executive producer positions and the assignment desk positions,
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Speaker 2: and whatever their personal opinions are, that's the way that
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Speaker 2: stories gets steered. Believe me now, I think in a
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Speaker 2: lot of cases it's not even an intentional thing. It's
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Speaker 2: just what their gut tells them. And a lot of
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Speaker 2: these positions today are filled by women. Years ago, it
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Speaker 2: was a lot of crotchety old men who used to
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Speaker 2: fill the executive producer and the assignment manager positions. Today
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Speaker 2: it's more than it's I think seventy percent female in
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Speaker 2: these roles. And that's why you tend to have politics
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Speaker 2: that are way to the left in TV news, and
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Speaker 2: you have story coverage that tends to be like this.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee if you had old white guys, yes I'm
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Speaker 2: being emphatic about that, old white guys running a TV
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Speaker 2: station right now like they did thirty years ago and
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Speaker 2: twenty years ago, you would not have all Luigi Mangioni
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Speaker 2: all the time right now. But I'm looking at Fox News,
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at MS now on the wall here Mark
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Speaker 2: puts them all on. He has CNN and then what
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Speaker 2: is that spectrum one? Yeah, spectrum one in the lower corner,
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Speaker 2: and everything is like it's all on Luigi, Luigi, Luigi.
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Speaker 2: It's been that way all morning. For those just wondering
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Speaker 2: what we're talking about with Luigi Mangioni, the word is
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Speaker 2: that his attorneys are supposed to go to federal court
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Speaker 2: this morning at eleven am and they will allegedly try
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Speaker 2: to cut a plea deal with the federal judge bypassing
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Speaker 2: the prosecutor going right to the federal judge. That means
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Speaker 2: that they must have a deal in mind that they
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Speaker 2: would like to offer. And the thought is if the
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Speaker 2: judge accepts the deal, then that could short circuit the
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Speaker 2: state deal because in New York or the state trial,
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Speaker 2: I should say, in New York State there are very
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Speaker 2: liberal double jeopardy laws. The other way around doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: So if he were convicted of a specific offense in
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Speaker 2: New York State, the federal government is a little is
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Speaker 2: a little different in the way that they interpret the
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Speaker 2: double jeopardy. Now, double jeopardy is you can't try somebody
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Speaker 2: twice for the same crime. And what they did here
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Speaker 2: is in federal court, the crime that Luigi's accused of
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Speaker 2: is stalking, not murder. It is stalking. It is a
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Speaker 2: different crime. In state court it is murder. Okay, So
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Speaker 2: there is and there's some specific I'm giving you just
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Speaker 2: the main charge, but there are other charges involved as well.
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Speaker 2: But one can loosely interpret if there were a deal
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Speaker 2: reached in federal court, being that it's the same overall topic.
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Speaker 2: New York State looks at it as well. The stalking
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Speaker 2: has to do with the murder. Therefore it's double jeopardy.
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Speaker 2: Therefore we'll throw it out. I think that's what the
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Speaker 2: thought is, that if they come to an agreement in
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Speaker 2: federal court with the federal judge, that the state will
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Speaker 2: toss out the state charges. That's what Luigi's lawyers are
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Speaker 2: hoping for. It doesn't mean it's going to happen that way,
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Speaker 2: but it's sort of a hail Mary pass because I
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Speaker 2: think they realize the evidence is so overwhelming against Luigi
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Speaker 2: Mangoni right now, and everybody deserves a day in court.
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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. Innocent until proven guilty. But look,
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Speaker 2: we have videotape, we have all his writings. There's so
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Speaker 2: much that would potentially point to his alleged guilt here
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Speaker 2: that people scratch their heads and say, what are you
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Speaker 2: kidding me? The videotape alone is just grueling to see this.
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Speaker 2: You know this man. Whatever you think about the insurance
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Speaker 2: industry has nothing to do with it. Nobody deserves to
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Speaker 2: be condemned to death because of their job. You know,
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Speaker 2: Brian Thompson, you could hate the insurance industry. There is
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Speaker 2: no butt he had a job. You don't like it,
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Speaker 2: then don't buy the insurance. You know, well, it's easy
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Speaker 2: for you to say no, you never death is not
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Speaker 2: the same liberals, it's crazy. The same liberals who say
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Speaker 2: that we can't have the the the government imposed a
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Speaker 2: death penalty seem to be okay with an individual imposing
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Speaker 2: the death penalty. Really talk about hypocrisy. But yet it
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Speaker 2: is the case the same like the gen Z Libs
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Speaker 2: who would say that I'm against the death penalty because
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Speaker 2: it's like not right, Unlike the government shouldn't like kill people.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about Luigi Mangoni killing the United
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Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO allegedly Brian Thompson, Well, like, okay, in that case,
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Speaker 2: he deserved that, really, Okay, that's as he's looking at
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Speaker 2: me like what voice are you doing? That's that's my
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Speaker 2: interpretation of a gen Z Okay, yeah, there it is.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, if you want, I could do I could
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Speaker 2: do my interpretation. There is there is upsweep talk like
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Speaker 2: I've never heard before in gen Z. Everything like the
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Speaker 2: girls all talk like they're asking a question. Everything is
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Speaker 2: that I am so done with this anyway, that's a
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Speaker 2: whole other topic. Eight hundred three to two one zero
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Speaker 2: seven ten eight hundred and three two one zero, seven
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Speaker 2: to ten. So because this supposedly will happen at eleven.
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Speaker 2: Eleven is when the judge will meet with the defense attorneys,
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Speaker 2: and ostensibly the defense attorneys will propose a plea deal
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Speaker 2: to the judge and then it's up to the judge
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Speaker 2: to make a decision. We don't know if the judge
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Speaker 2: will decide today. The judge may say, let me sleep
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Speaker 2: on it, or the judge may say that's a good deal.
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Speaker 2: We don't know. So that's why everybody is set. If
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Speaker 2: you look outside Federal Court right now, it's like an
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Speaker 2: army assembled thousands of members of the media from all
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Speaker 2: over the world to see the results of this bushy,
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Speaker 2: eyebrowed what I think is an unattractive, doe looking guy
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Speaker 2: who needs a good shave and a bath. It's just
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Speaker 2: a generational thing. I guess. I don't understand younger people
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Speaker 2: who just look at him, Oh, he's hoot. I don't
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Speaker 2: think he's hoot at all. Just me, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: We have different interpretations of what hot is. But then again,
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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's targeting me with mister Mangoni, thankfully,
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Speaker 2: but we would. We will be talking with a former
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Speaker 2: New York State Supreme Court Judge Judge Cammons, who is
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Speaker 2: part of the same law firm, my friend Arthuri Dalla
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Speaker 2: and Imran Ansory, they are all partners in. And Judge Cammons,
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Speaker 2: who's a super smart man. He's tried many cases like this,
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Speaker 2: and he is going to speak to us this morning
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Speaker 2: at ten forty and we'll talk to him about what's
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Speaker 2: going on right now, what will happen in the state
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Speaker 2: court if there is a plea deal reached in the
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Speaker 2: federal court. So he is just the guy to talk
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Speaker 2: to about this. We got an expert on this coming
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Speaker 2: up just a little bit, and we don't have to
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Speaker 2: know what you have to say about it. Eight hundred
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Speaker 2: three to two one zero seven ten. Eight hundred three
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Speaker 2: to two one zero seven ten the number to call.
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Speaker 2: Moving on to other topics in the meantime, have you
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Speaker 2: heard about the uproar over ICE's new electric shock gloves
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Speaker 2: all right now? You would think that they announced they
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Speaker 2: were now hanging people in the public square. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the left is just rallying against it. Just another thing
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Speaker 2: those evil ICE agents are doing. So to listen to
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Speaker 2: the bucktooth one Kathy Hokel speaking about the stun gloves.
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Speaker 2: Listen to.
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Speaker 3: This appears to me, on its face to be a
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Speaker 3: violation of civil rights to cause that kind of physical
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Speaker 3: harm to an individual, regardless of what the offense may be.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, really, Kathy, I don't know how this
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Speaker 2: woman is in office. I don't know how this woman
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Speaker 2: can say that with a straight face. So these stun
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Speaker 2: gloves have about one sixth the power output of a
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Speaker 2: stun gun, which are legal for police to carry, so
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Speaker 2: local police can use stun guns on people, and she
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Speaker 2: doesn't have any issue with that, which, of course is
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Speaker 2: what they use instead of an actual gun. So at
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Speaker 2: the top of the pecking order of killing people is
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Speaker 2: an actual gun, then you have a stun gun. And
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Speaker 2: stun gloves actually are gloves that they that the police,
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Speaker 2: federal officers in this case, will wear in cold weather.
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Speaker 2: They look like regular gloves. It's just that they are
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Speaker 2: equipped with a switch that in the event somebody comes
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Speaker 2: up to them and starts to get in their faces
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Speaker 2: and they don't want to pull their gun and shoot
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Speaker 2: the person. It's enough to shock them to kind of
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Speaker 2: surprise them and take them off guard. The individuals who
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Speaker 2: might be attacking the officers. So these are not it's
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Speaker 2: not something that's going to knock them to the ground
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Speaker 2: and stop their heart and put them into agonizing pain.
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Speaker 2: It's like it's sort of the equivalent as I was
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Speaker 2: reading of a shock collar when you're training a pet.
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Speaker 2: Oh ken, we're talking humans, not pets. Stop it, stop it.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to give an example, all right, So an
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Speaker 2: analogy here. So these gloves are not agonizingly painful. They're
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Speaker 2: not punishment being rendered. Hey listen, you don't attack a cop.
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Speaker 2: You're never going to feel the other end to the glove.
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Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. So this glove is actually
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Speaker 2: the equivalent. Would you prefer the cop punch the guy,
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Speaker 2: because that's what the couple have to do if they
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Speaker 2: don't use the stun glove. But no, these liberals want
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Speaker 2: ICE age. They don't want to recognize that ICE agents
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Speaker 2: are officers at all. That's problem number one. They barely
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Speaker 2: like to recognize that local police are police. But anyone
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Speaker 2: who is a friend of Trump, oh, we can't give
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Speaker 2: them the grace and the honor of being what they are.
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Speaker 2: Congress designated ICE as federal officers. This happened post nine
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Speaker 2: to eleven they are federal police officers with jurisdiction in
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Speaker 2: all fifty states. You don't like it, change the fricking law,
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Speaker 2: I said, fricking. Don't think I said the other word,
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Speaker 2: but I want to say the other word. It's as
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Speaker 2: simple as that. You don't like it, change the law.
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Speaker 2: But stop trying to convince kids, gen Z and libs
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Speaker 2: that somehow ICE agents have no authority and are just
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Speaker 2: these untrained civilians running rough shop over over society. They're not.
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Speaker 2: These are trained federal agents. All right. Maybe they don't
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Speaker 2: have twenty years in police academy, but they're trained, and
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Speaker 2: they're duly authorized, and they are out there exercising the law.
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Speaker 2: They are imposing the law on us that our Congress
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Speaker 2: voted for and the president and even in many cases
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Speaker 2: Democrat presidents signed acts into law. That's what they're carrying out.
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Speaker 2: So don't get on their cases for doing their jobs.
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Speaker 2: Libs don't want you using a stun gun. They don't
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Speaker 2: want you using a baton. They don't want you defending
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Speaker 2: yourself with your fists. They don't want you shooting people.
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Speaker 2: They want ICE agents to stand there and become victims themselves,
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Speaker 2: because they deserve it. Because these poor they look at
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Speaker 2: everybody who's here illegally as this poor innocent waif, and
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Speaker 2: these evil ICE agents deserve to stand there and take
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Speaker 2: an attack. What is wrong with you people, So Kathy,
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Speaker 2: go get your teeth picked the right way and stop
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Speaker 2: criticizing ICE agents who are doing their job. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, New York State lawmakers who are trying to
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Speaker 2: show their bravado. You could try to pass all the
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Speaker 2: laws you want against ICE agents from using these stun
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Speaker 2: gloves or anything else, or telling them they have to
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Speaker 2: wear masks, or telling them that they can't be seen
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Speaker 2: in public, or telling them that they have to have idea,
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Speaker 2: and you could tell them all you want. It has
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Speaker 2: no effect because under the Constitution, federal agents have superseding
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Speaker 2: authority over local laws. So as long as the federal
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Speaker 2: government says they can do X, Y and Z, they
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Speaker 2: can do it. Because the last side checked, New York
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Speaker 2: State is part of the United States. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if something happened when I was asleep, maybe you came
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Speaker 2: out of the Union. But unless that is the case,
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Speaker 2: they are part of the United States. You are here,
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Speaker 2: we are all here part in the state of New
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Speaker 2: York and you can't do a darn thing about it.
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Speaker 2: You could try charging the federal agents. It gets tossed
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Speaker 2: out on the surface. Try all you want. Eight hundred
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Speaker 2: three to two one zero seven ten. Eight hundred three
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Speaker 2: to two one zero seven ten again. Coming up a
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Speaker 2: little later on, we will speak with retired Supreme Court
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Speaker 2: Judge Barry Cammons, the name partner at Idalla Burtuna and
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Speaker 2: Cammon's Law firm here in the city, regarding the possible
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Speaker 2: federal Luigi MANGIONI plead deal. It is ten twenty right
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Speaker 4: Here again is Ken Rosatto.
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Speaker 2: Nice to be with you on a Friday morning. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to our busy phones. A man with class because
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Speaker 2: I love his first name, Kenneth in the Bronx.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Hey, good morning, Mark, Good morning.
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Speaker 2: Can't you could call me Ken? You can call me
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Speaker 2: Mark all you want. I take that with honor Kenneth.
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Speaker 2: So no, good morning, No you guys.
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Speaker 5: I listen to you guys all the time. You and
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Speaker 5: I I used to listen to seventy seven, not to
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Speaker 5: discredit them, but you guys, a lovelessness, your whole staff
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Speaker 5: from curtains in the morning to you guys, to you
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Speaker 5: name it and we know what Mark I mean. Can
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Speaker 5: I want them sorry? I apologize. I want to say, listen,
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Speaker 5: if it wasn't for Trump, I talked to my friends
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Speaker 5: about that, it wasn't for Trump, we had Kawala Harris
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Speaker 5: and Tim Walris in the White House. Can can you
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Speaker 5: imagine what we would be going through.
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Speaker 2: We would learn, we would learn how to do jazz
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Speaker 2: hands from Tim Walalris, That's for sure. He is such
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Speaker 2: a character. You look at you look at Tim Watson,
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Speaker 2: you think, how the heck did the people in Wisconsin
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Speaker 2: ever vote for this man?
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Speaker 5: It's uno and I'm so confused. This would be right now,
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Speaker 5: right now with Trump and office right now listen, this country.
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Speaker 5: This would be the purge a hen right now. I
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Speaker 5: want to say in New York, I'm gonna try to
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Speaker 5: talk brief because I knew you have for other cause.
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Speaker 5: But the thing too is Bruce Blakeman. This is the
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Speaker 5: pur job here, you know, and we definitely need him
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Speaker 5: so he can rescind those full mold bail catchers. That's
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Speaker 5: what this catching re leave baill reforms, That's what this
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Speaker 5: joy New York. And only we can get New York back.
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Speaker 5: We need Blateman in here. We got to And I'm
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Speaker 5: and ken lastly too, I'm gonna ask you what can
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Speaker 5: I do me and other friends we have here? I'm
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Speaker 5: tired of enforcement? What could we do to? How can
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Speaker 5: I say to divvy up to get both for this
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Speaker 5: guy here? And what can we do? Is there a
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Speaker 5: way I can or a number I can contact, or
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Speaker 5: someone I can call or jump in his bandwagon me
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Speaker 5: some other friends we need? We need Blakeman.
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Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, and I think the best
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Speaker 2: way to do it, honestly, Kenneth, is to just tell
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Speaker 2: your friends about it. Every time you are at a gathering,
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Speaker 2: people tend to bite their tongue.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: The spouse always says, dun get into politics. No, I
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Speaker 2: think we got to get into politics. Do you notice, Kennedy,
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Speaker 2: Liberals never have a problem voicing their opinion at a gathering,
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Speaker 2: do you know?
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Speaker 4: Right right?
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Speaker 2: They always assumed that, well, if you're intelligent, you have
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Speaker 2: to think this way. I especially love the fact that
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Speaker 2: people knew that I was a TV news anchor for
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Speaker 2: all the years I was at Channel seven and Channel five,
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Speaker 2: so they assume that we're all leftists. And and so
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Speaker 2: I've been to a million gatherings and I stand there
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Speaker 2: and smile, and they're like, these stupid Republicans, and they
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Speaker 2: just think they're so superior and condescending. Little do they know.
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Speaker 2: I would just stand there because as a former news
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Speaker 2: anchor then I couldn't share my opinions. But the arrogance
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Speaker 2: and condescension, it was just unreal. And and so I'm
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Speaker 2: with you. I think the best way is just politely
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Speaker 2: and respectfully share your opinion without coming across in a
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Speaker 2: condescending way, and maybe it'll make them think at the
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Speaker 2: very least. But I appreciate your thoughts, and I appreciate
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Speaker 2: your call, and thank you for being in law enforcement, sir.
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Speaker 5: Okay, thanks Ken slash military retired so much. And I'm
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Speaker 5: gonna say it too briefly. Can'll let you go. I
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Speaker 5: know a hope will do it. She wants to read.
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Speaker 5: She wants these aliens. She want to give them a
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Speaker 5: OTC card and rend the miranda right before the ice
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Speaker 5: takes them. That's what she wants, so yeah, she wants,
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Speaker 5: but Ken, I just want to thread me quick. Can't listen.
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Speaker 5: God bless you guys in seventy one to ten. You
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Speaker 5: guys are the best and weird.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much, Kenneth, have a great
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Speaker 2: day and a nice weekend. We appreciate you. Let's go
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Speaker 2: That's where I used to live. But I lived. I
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Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
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Speaker 6: I lived in Garden City for forty years and I
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Speaker 6: a retired court clerk for many many years, and I
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Speaker 6: fan friends. Many many years ago. I was a court
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Speaker 6: I don't remember exactly when they arrested son of Sam.
18:51
Speaker 6: He had cases in Queens where he shot a couple
18:54
Speaker 6: of people in Queens and we were going to rain
18:56
Speaker 6: him and I was going to be the one of
18:59
Speaker 6: I don't know, being lucky. You're not lucky because the crowds.
19:01
Speaker 6: We were going to arrain him and suffed in Boulevard
19:03
Speaker 6: at the Jamaica Courthouse, but there were so many people
19:07
Speaker 6: coming there. We moved him to the regular criminal court
19:10
Speaker 6: building in Queens Boulevard, and you know, I had to
19:15
Speaker 6: go there with the judge. This is a funny part
19:17
Speaker 6: of the story. He's passed away now, Judge Arthur Lawnshein.
19:21
Speaker 6: He was a tough guy, World War two vintage, and
19:23
Speaker 6: he's reading the report and he's laughing, not left. He
19:26
Speaker 6: smiled and he goes, oh, at least something's coming to
19:30
Speaker 6: go out of this, Like, oh, what's that, Judge? I
19:32
Speaker 6: read the report. A lot of people hate us. He
19:35
Speaker 6: was Jewish, but he reads that sother said was adopted.
19:39
Speaker 6: He was really Italian. I don't know if you're going
19:40
Speaker 6: to get a laugh out of that. But anyway, we
19:43
Speaker 6: go to we go over to Sufton Boulevard and it
19:46
Speaker 6: was a madhouse. You know, there were other men outside.
19:50
Speaker 6: The only difference was. There were people with the signs
19:53
Speaker 6: hanging him, kill him. You know. It was the whole
19:55
Speaker 6: Summer of Sam thing. It really destroyed the city. I
19:58
Speaker 6: don't know how old you are.
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Speaker 2: I remember it unfortunately all too well.
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Speaker 6: Yeah I'm in my seventies. But anyway, but there were girls.
20:06
Speaker 6: There were ladies there, you know, yelling and screaming we
20:11
Speaker 6: love you, and and they were throwing papers with their
20:14
Speaker 6: phone number on.
20:15
Speaker 2: It isn't that crazy.
20:17
Speaker 6: I don't get it. I mean, I'm somewhat educated. I'm
20:20
Speaker 6: not a psychologist. I don't get it. I have daughters.
20:24
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it is. Girl. A lot of
20:26
Speaker 2: women they like the bad boy, the the you know,
20:30
Speaker 2: they they like that person. There's something about being close
20:33
Speaker 2: to danger. Yet the person, like a Luigi or like
20:36
Speaker 2: a Son of Sam, they had that look that almost
20:39
Speaker 2: looks nice and tall, like you could talk to the person.
20:42
Speaker 2: They're murderers. They're cold blooded murderers, allegedly because one still
20:47
Speaker 2: has to have their day in court. But these people, listen,
20:50
Speaker 2: they killed, in the case of Son of Sam, multiple
20:52
Speaker 2: people brutally. So yeah, I don't get it either. But
20:57
Speaker 2: it's like for the moment of being smitten, the individual
21:01
Speaker 2: like change your mind, wake up, go have a cup
21:03
Speaker 2: of coffee and realize these people killed human beings who
21:07
Speaker 2: did not deserve Even if they did deserve to die,
21:09
Speaker 2: they didn't deserve to die. You know what I'm saying,
21:11
Speaker 2: So what are you doing? I'm with you one hundred percent.
21:14
Speaker 2: I appreciate the phone call, but the clock is now
21:16
Speaker 2: working against us.
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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Simone Show on seven ten Wi
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Speaker 1: Ken from Mark Today, Here's Ken Rosatto.
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Speaker 2: And it's very good to be with you on this Friday,
21:27
Speaker 2: a Friday where the big buzz is about Luigi MANGIONI
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Speaker 2: expected to plead guilty this morning or work a plea deal.
21:34
Speaker 2: I should say, not fleet guilty, but work a plea
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Speaker 2: deal in federal court to federal stalking charges. Some kind
21:41
Speaker 2: of a plea deal in the works is the word
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Speaker 2: tied to the December twenty twenty four killing of United
21:47
Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside the New York Hilton with
21:51
Speaker 2: us right now is retired Supreme Court Judge Barry Cammon's
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Speaker 2: named partner at Idala, Bertuna and Camon's law firm here
21:58
Speaker 2: in the city. Regarding the possible federal Luigi Mangioni plea deal.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Judge Camans.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, how are you?
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: On, great to have you on, sir, And just full
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Speaker 2: disclosure for people to know that one of your partners there, Imron,
22:12
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, is my lawyer. So I just want to
22:14
Speaker 2: make sure we put it all out on the table,
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Speaker 2: so no one says, hey, you never disclose that full disclosure.
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Speaker 4: So judge, let's.
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Speaker 2: And my uncle used to be a State Supreme Court
22:24
Speaker 2: judge too. I'm sure you came across Pete Rozzotto in
22:26
Speaker 2: your days. Sure, yeah, he's dad's baby brother still around.
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Speaker 2: So tell us what it is that Luigi Mangioni's attorney
22:36
Speaker 2: may be doing with the federal judge at eleven this morning.
22:39
Speaker 2: He's bypassing the prosecutor, speaking directly with the judge. What's
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Speaker 2: the purpose of that.
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Speaker 7: Well, of course, no one knows exactly what's going to
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Speaker 7: be happening. I mean, they may have worked out something
22:49
Speaker 7: in advance, ready to go this morning. The plea may
22:53
Speaker 7: be taken this morning. But the what is very very
22:57
Speaker 7: important is this will set off a chain of events
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Speaker 7: that will follow into the State Court. There's something called
23:06
Speaker 7: double jeopardy, which I'm sure everyone is aware of. It's
23:08
Speaker 7: an incredibly difficult subject. Basically, it says that no one
23:11
Speaker 7: should be you know, tried tries for the same crime.
23:16
Speaker 7: Just to give an example, there was a fellow by
23:17
Speaker 7: the name of Paul Manafort years ago who was Trump's
23:20
Speaker 7: campaign manager, who was convicted in federal court of fraud.
23:23
Speaker 7: Sy Vance, who is the DA in Manhattan, then try
23:27
Speaker 7: to go to trial and indict him and go to
23:31
Speaker 7: trial for fraud in the state court. But the court
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Speaker 7: in state court dismissed the fraud chargers, saying that the
23:37
Speaker 7: fraud in state court was exactly the same as the
23:40
Speaker 7: fraud in the federal court. Therefore, he dismissed the charges
23:43
Speaker 7: and that was upheld. This is a much more complicated situation.
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Speaker 7: If if Managingon pleads to stalking in the federal court,
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Speaker 7: which is basically stalking and traveling an interstate commerce commerce
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Speaker 7: for the purpose of committing a murder, which carries a
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Speaker 7: life sentence, the defense will then move in the state
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Speaker 7: court to dismiss the charges against Mangeong, arguing that this
24:09
Speaker 7: is also double jeopardy. However, in my opinion it is not.
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Speaker 7: Of course, there'll be litigation, and they'll have to be
24:16
Speaker 7: you know, extensive briefing and arguments on this. It's the
24:21
Speaker 7: prosecution is going to argue in state court that they're
24:24
Speaker 7: not the same crime, that there are different elements, even
24:26
Speaker 7: though it's the same criminal transaction, the same that happened
24:31
Speaker 7: in front of the Hotel Hilton, that there are different elements.
24:37
Speaker 7: The state crime is murder, the federal crime is stalking,
24:41
Speaker 7: and the DA is going to argue they serve different purposes,
24:44
Speaker 7: different intent So it's going to be interesting. Of course,
24:48
Speaker 7: if the judge in the state denies the emotion and
24:52
Speaker 7: says no, it's not double jeopardy, he can be tried
24:55
Speaker 7: in state court, well, then the ballgame is over for
24:57
Speaker 7: Mangeon because he cannot go to trial in state court.
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Speaker 7: And the reason why. The reason why is because if
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Speaker 7: he takes a plea this morning and admits that he
25:08
Speaker 7: committed murder as part of stalking in the subtle court,
25:12
Speaker 7: that can be used against him. It can be introduced
25:15
Speaker 7: against him in the state court. And no lawyer in
25:17
Speaker 7: his right mind is going to go to trial where
25:20
Speaker 7: he knows that that admission is going to come in
25:23
Speaker 7: against his client on trial. So he's going to have
25:26
Speaker 7: to take a plea in state court.
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Speaker 4: Now, what the lawyer may be doing here.
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Speaker 7: Is setting up a situation where he pleads in both courts,
25:34
Speaker 7: but does the serves his sentence in the federal system.
25:39
Speaker 7: He may feel that the jail in the jails in
25:42
Speaker 7: the federal system, or when I say better, I mean
25:44
Speaker 7: no jail is great, but it's better serving time in
25:48
Speaker 7: the federal prison that it is in state.
25:49
Speaker 4: Now.
25:51
Speaker 7: I'm not, as you know, I don't have any expertise
25:54
Speaker 7: in the federal jails as far as you know, as
25:56
Speaker 7: far as what level of comfort you have, but I
25:59
Speaker 7: can't imagine that any federal maximum security prison in federal
26:04
Speaker 7: court is a picnic. But it may be better. It
26:07
Speaker 7: may be better than what he would serve if he
26:10
Speaker 7: had to serve in the New York state maximum securities,
26:12
Speaker 7: which I know that I know are horrible places to serve.
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Speaker 2: So and your honor, your honor, I will still call
26:19
Speaker 2: you that, even though you're retired now from that position,
26:21
Speaker 2: you're always your honor. Part of it, I would think
26:24
Speaker 2: would be the the clientele that you are serving with
26:27
Speaker 2: in federal court versus state court. Do you think that
26:30
Speaker 2: has a lot to do with it.
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Speaker 7: Well, you're talking about the types of prisoners.
26:36
Speaker 2: You mean, right, I'm trying to be as gentle as
26:38
Speaker 2: possible with my tongue deep in my cheek.
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Speaker 7: No, No, it's true that. Look, the clientele is different
26:46
Speaker 7: in the prison. But we're talking about a violent crime here.
26:49
Speaker 7: So if he's put in a prison and a maximum
26:51
Speaker 7: principal prison with other individuals have committed violent crimes, they
26:56
Speaker 7: are particularly dangerous people. I mean, there are some very
27:00
Speaker 7: prisons in the Fiddle system, like the ones there's one
27:03
Speaker 7: in Colorado that a maximum scity is totally underground. I mean,
27:07
Speaker 7: you just don't see daylight for the rest of your life.
27:10
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's just incredible. So it's you know,
27:13
Speaker 7: the clientele may be different.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the white collar.
27:15
Speaker 7: Criminals obviously in federal courts are different than the you know,
27:20
Speaker 7: the the street crime people in the in the state system.
27:23
Speaker 4: In New York.
27:24
Speaker 7: But he's not going to be in with white collar criminals.
27:26
Speaker 7: He's going to be in with violent predators. And and
27:30
Speaker 7: uh so, look, I'm sure that his team has thought
27:33
Speaker 7: this through and I'm sure this is all mapped out
27:36
Speaker 7: as part as I said, a chess match. They will
27:40
Speaker 7: they're trying to figure out. Look, look, I never personally
27:43
Speaker 7: figure could.
27:44
Speaker 4: Figure out what the defense.
27:45
Speaker 7: Was going to be in the state court anyway, right,
27:48
Speaker 7: you know, he it's it's they've got the bullet from
27:53
Speaker 7: the gun that he had, which matches the you know
27:55
Speaker 7: what was removed from the deceased.
27:57
Speaker 4: So where is he going.
27:58
Speaker 7: There's no defense in this, so you know, he may
28:01
Speaker 7: have to wind.
28:01
Speaker 4: Up leading in state as well.
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Speaker 2: So this is basically a giant hail Mary pass. They're
28:06
Speaker 2: trying to see what'll stick, what won't stick, what could
28:09
Speaker 2: be decided, what you know, and depending also on the
28:12
Speaker 2: mood of the judge. According to the DOJ, they're saying
28:15
Speaker 2: that no, there is no deal reached, there was no
28:17
Speaker 2: agreement reached in advance that if mister Manjoni's attorneys would
28:22
Speaker 2: like to plea on his behalf guilty, then we'll accept
28:25
Speaker 2: whatever plea, etc. The DOJ is saying that they did
28:28
Speaker 2: not have any kind of a deal. So it could
28:31
Speaker 2: very well be then that the attorney will present the
28:34
Speaker 2: judge something for the very first time this morning at
28:36
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock.
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Speaker 7: Then, right right, he may not actually enter a plea.
28:40
Speaker 7: They may work out the beginnings or the sort of
28:44
Speaker 7: the groundwork for a plea, and they may come back
28:46
Speaker 7: next week two weeks, you know, and actually enter the plea.
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Speaker 4: But at least this.
28:50
Speaker 7: Sets the case on a different path because there's a
28:54
Speaker 7: September ray State looming in, you know, for trial, and
28:58
Speaker 7: they want to from Angel and want to work out
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Speaker 7: whatever they want to work out before that September eighth
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Speaker 7: State because if there's an actually an entering of a plea,
29:07
Speaker 7: that will set off then, as I said, a motion
29:10
Speaker 7: in the in the State Court to postpone the trial
29:12
Speaker 7: so they can litigate whether that trial can go forward
29:15
Speaker 7: because of double jeopardy, and that's going to take a while.
29:18
Speaker 7: I mean, there's going to be extensive briefing on that.
29:20
Speaker 7: So I think though that the problem in the State
29:23
Speaker 7: Court is, I know is a former judge. This is
29:25
Speaker 7: going to set up a problem because a lot of
29:27
Speaker 7: jurors were summoned for that September race date. I mean
29:30
Speaker 7: extra hundreds of people have been summoned by subpoenia, not
29:33
Speaker 7: subpoena by notice, and a lot of people are going
29:37
Speaker 7: to show up in September.
29:38
Speaker 4: Right now, those notices have gone out and.
29:41
Speaker 7: If all those people show up at one hundred Center
29:43
Speaker 7: Streets and that trial is off. The court administrators are
29:47
Speaker 7: not going to be that amused.
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Speaker 2: You know, well, they'll have plenty of extra jury pull
29:51
Speaker 2: to duror draw frum for other cases. At least you
29:54
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about that too many. Yeah, really,
29:57
Speaker 2: you have them right there. Let's just tell everybody who
29:59
Speaker 2: this is. This is retired Supreme Court Judge Barry Cammon's
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Speaker 2: name's partner at Igdaala Burtuna and Cammon's law firm here
30:06
Speaker 2: in the city. We're talking about the possible federal Luigi
30:09
Speaker 2: Mangeon plea, potential plea deal. We don't really know what's
30:13
Speaker 2: happening yet. It's gonna ostensibly happen in just about ten
30:17
Speaker 2: minutes from now. But I think a lot of members
30:20
Speaker 2: of the media are excitedly there thinking at eleven o'clock
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Speaker 2: and ten seconds we're going to have an answer about something.
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Speaker 2: And that really isn't going to be the case, is it. No?
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Speaker 7: No, No, things don't happen that quickly in court. I mean,
30:33
Speaker 7: I think there's going to be some discussion. The defense
30:38
Speaker 7: may make certain applications, they may look. I agree with you,
30:43
Speaker 7: if there's been no discussion. Well, although it's hard to believe,
30:46
Speaker 7: I have to think there's been some discussion with the
30:48
Speaker 7: prosecutor in the federal court about a certain you know,
30:52
Speaker 7: trying to work out possibly a plea to this charge
30:55
Speaker 7: with less than life as a sentence. But so maybe
31:01
Speaker 7: they'll talk about setting a limit on what the on
31:04
Speaker 7: what the amount of time would be. But as you know,
31:07
Speaker 7: if federal court is completely different than in statehourt and
31:09
Speaker 7: state court, you work out a plea, there's a promise
31:11
Speaker 7: by the judge at the time you take the plea,
31:14
Speaker 7: you know when you come back the sentence that what
31:16
Speaker 7: you will be getting. In federal court, there is no
31:19
Speaker 7: such thing. With some rare exceptions, you take a plea
31:24
Speaker 7: and you know basically the guidelines.
31:26
Speaker 4: The range of you know where you may wind.
31:29
Speaker 7: Up as far as a sentence, but you do not
31:31
Speaker 7: know what the sentence will be until you come back
31:34
Speaker 7: and the judge utters that sentence and the data sense
31:37
Speaker 7: that's when you actually learn whether you you know you're
31:39
Speaker 7: going to jail where you're not going to jail. Of
31:41
Speaker 7: course in this case he is, But there are some
31:44
Speaker 7: cases where the difference is between.
31:45
Speaker 4: Jail and probation, and you don't know that.
31:48
Speaker 7: Until the judge says I'm sentencing you to the following
31:51
Speaker 7: And there's a lot of drama in the Federal Court
31:54
Speaker 7: because of that, because there is no promise by the
31:56
Speaker 7: judge you and you know that's why good advocacy by
31:59
Speaker 7: people like author Right Doll and my partner can sometimes
32:03
Speaker 7: change the judge's mind at the last minute and change
32:07
Speaker 7: it from a.
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Speaker 4: Jail sentence to probation.
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Speaker 7: So so yeah, there's but as you say, there's no
32:13
Speaker 7: one knows what's going to happen and now in five minutes.
32:16
Speaker 4: But there's a lot. I'll tell you one thing.
32:18
Speaker 7: There's a lot of drama, and I guess that's what
32:20
Speaker 7: makes the media happy because they're, you know, they're reporting
32:24
Speaker 7: on something that's got a lot of excitement.
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Speaker 2: Judge, just with about thirty seconds left, just out of curiosity,
32:30
Speaker 2: as you've you've been on both sides of this. Now
32:32
Speaker 2: because you were a sitting Supreme Court judge and you're
32:35
Speaker 2: an attorney, how much influence does the attorney have on
32:42
Speaker 2: a judge's decision.
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Speaker 7: I think it's not the well the judge, a judge
32:49
Speaker 7: who respects the attorney will listen obviously more carefully and
32:53
Speaker 7: when I was a judge and I saw certain lawyers
32:55
Speaker 7: walk in the courtroom, I would sort of kind of
32:57
Speaker 7: sort of tune them out a little bit because I say, oh,
32:59
Speaker 7: here comes to mister x. I. You know, if they
33:02
Speaker 7: don't have credibility, you know, it hurts the client if
33:06
Speaker 7: they've got credibility. And of course you've got to have
33:09
Speaker 7: the advocacy and the most important, you've got to have
33:12
Speaker 7: the law.
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Speaker 4: You know, they say a.
33:13
Speaker 7: Good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
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Speaker 2: I love that. I think I heard my uncle say
33:19
Speaker 2: that once or twice. We appreciate you so much, Retired
33:23
Speaker 2: Supreme Court Judge Barry Cammon's named partner at Idalla Burtuna
33:27
Speaker 2: and Cammon's law firm here in the city. Again, we're
33:29
Speaker 2: talking about the possible federal Luigi man joan potential plea.
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Speaker 2: We don't know what it is. We'll find out in
33:35
Speaker 2: a little bit. We thank you so much for coming
33:37
Speaker 2: on this morning. You're clarifying. Have a great day.
33:39
Speaker 4: Thank you, my pleasure.
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34:14
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