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UnchainedTV: Will Huge Animal Factories Be Banned? · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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And we have breaking news to tell you
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about today.
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It is making headlines all across the nation.
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These are the experts who will be talking
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about it.
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You could call it the showdown in Sonoma.
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There are just some of the headlines and
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wow, it will be a showdown.
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An historic ballot measure is coming up after
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more than 37,000 signatures were collected in
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this rural northern California county to ban large
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CAFOs, concentrated animal feeding operations.
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The coalition to end factory farming has handed
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in the votes and now it is up
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to the voters to decide.
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So let's go straight out to Samantha Fay.
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You are one of the leaders of this.
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First of all, 37,000 signatures.
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Wow, that's a lot to collect.
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Tell us how you did it and what
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is this ballot measure for those who have
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no idea?
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This ballot measure is to ban CAFOs in
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Sonoma County.
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So there are about two dozen CAFOs in
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Sonoma County and we plan to phase them
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out through this ballot measure.
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The only way that we got all of
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these signatures, the 37,000 signatures, is simply
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through the power of volunteers.
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A lot of other measures and political organisations
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will hire people to collect signatures, but every
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single one of our 150 volunteers was unpaid
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and came of their own accord to Sonoma
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County and from Sonoma County to collect these
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signatures.
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Now, you have done a lot of social
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media promotion on this.
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Let's take a look at one of your
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promos and then we'll dissect it.
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Maybe not a good choice of words.
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Again, this is the showdown in Sonoma, an
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historic ballot measure.
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We are getting ready to ban factory farms
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in Sonoma County.
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Despite the local Farm Bureau spreading misinformation to
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turn the public against this effort, we are
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turning in over 37,000 signatures from Sonoma
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County residents to get this factory farm ban
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on the ballot.
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If this historic initiative succeeds, it would stop
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the exploitation and abuse for hundreds of thousands
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of animals and have potentially national implications.
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So let's do this.
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So Cassie King, you are the lead communications
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person for Direct Action Everywhere.
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A lot of the Farm Bureau spokespeople are
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saying this is going to put a lot
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of people out of work.
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What is your response to that?
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Thanks so much for having us on, Jane.
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We are DXCS of Bay Area is one
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of the founding members of the Coalition to
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End Factory Farming, which is the ballot committee
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leading this initiative, just for some context.
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And like Samantha said, there are an estimated
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two dozen CAFOs in Sonoma County, and that
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is an overestimation because we want to be
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transparent and we want to give an understanding
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of the maximum impact that this initiative could
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have.
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So it's possibly closer to 20 or so
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facilities that actually meet the EPA's definition of
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a CAFO.
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And while these are the facilities that have
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the most animals, because that's what makes them
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a CAFO, is the number of animals that
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they have, the large CAFO category specifically, which
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is what we see in Sonoma County, is
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purely based on the number of animals.
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You might think that they have the most
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employees as well, but actually factory farming is
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quite mechanised.
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The feed comes in, the water comes in
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automated.
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The manure is falling through cages or falling
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through wire floors and going out of these
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chicken and duck facilities.
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So even though there are far more animals
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confined inside CAFOs in Sonoma County than the
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small animal farms that exist there, they actually
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have far fewer workers.
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And also Sonoma County, the vast majority of
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workers in agriculture are actually working in vineyards.
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Sonoma County is quite well known for grapes,
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for wine and the wine production there.
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And that's not impacted at all because we're
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specifically looking at animal operations, concentrated animal feeding
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operations.
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And by the way, we're happy to have
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anybody on from the other side.
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We would love to sponsor a debate here
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on Unchained TV.
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So consider it an invitation.
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We've got some callers lining up.
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Paige in Los Angeles, your question and thought
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for our team under the banner Coalition to
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Ban Factory Farming.
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Thank you for taking my call.
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Here's what I'm curious about.
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In your outreach, what were some of the
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responses from the citizens in the area in
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regards to knowing that animals were in these
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factory farms that were their burgers and their
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hot dogs and so forth?
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What was the response you were getting and
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how did they get a connection to sign
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that paper?
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Well, it's an excellent question, Sarah.
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You're from the area.
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When signatures were being collected, what was the
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response amongst the people?
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Because those opposing say, well, it's going to
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be bad for the county.
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But you got 37,000, more than 37
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,000 people who live in that county, as
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I believe you do, to sign.
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So what were their reasons for signing?
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What do you think the mood of the
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county is?
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Well, thanks for the great question.
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Yeah.
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In my experience with voters, one of the
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first things that I noted is that folks
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weren't really even aware that we had factory
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farms here in Sonoma County.
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And I think that was the same thing
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was true for myself even just three years
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ago.
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So people are shocked because most people have
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this kind of idea of what a factory
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farm is.
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They picture something in their mind.
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And they definitely don't associate that with Sonoma
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County because we have so many, you know,
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fields and lovely scenes around here, rolling fields
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of green and you see cows dotting the
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fields.
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And it's kind of a shock.
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So first people are in a Yeah, I
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do remember seeing some of those, those buildings,
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those long buildings, you know, where how the
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animals are, and then it all starts to
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click.
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And there's this moment that I witnessed and
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so many people when it clicked, and they're
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like, Oh, my gosh, yes, that is what's
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happening here.
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I can't stand factory farms.
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I've heard that so many times.
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I hate factory farms.
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I can't stand factory farms.
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They're awful.
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Yes, I support this.
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So that was kind of a general theme
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is just, you know, when people realise what
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it is you're talking about.
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They are on board because they care about
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animal welfare and our environment here.
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So the stereotypical description of people who support
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this by the opponents is you're extremists, but
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37,000 people living in your county can't
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be extremists.
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What you're saying is that when they start
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thinking about what this really is, these giant
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concentrated animal feeding operations that house collectively, there's
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two dozen of them approximately about what I
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believe you'd say 9 million animals in a
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dozen farms.
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Is that correct, Samantha?
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Um, actually, Cassie would be able to answer
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that question a little bit better than I
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would.
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Go ahead.
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Sure.
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So like I said, the estimation is around
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two dozen, but we are overestimating.
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So it's possible that some of those facilities
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are are have downsized since the most recent
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report to the USDA or the water boards.
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But yes, about 2.9 million animals across
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just two dozen facilities, which is far more
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than, you know, the next 50 farms below
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them have because they're just such outliers with
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the number of animals that are confined.
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So yeah, 2.9 million animals, including chickens,
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ducks and cows across just about two dozen
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facilities.
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And in some of the articles I read,
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there were small farmers who were in favour
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of this saying that the big CAFOs are
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pushing them out of business.
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We've got so many callers lined up.
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Let's hit them now.
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Michael in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for our panel.
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Oh, hi.
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First of all, I want to thank everyone,
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all the volunteers that got the signatures because
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I know how hard that is to get
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people to sign things.
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So I was wondering, what do you guys
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think about the general mood of the like
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the local politicians that represent your area?
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Do you think that they'll be responsive to
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this, you know, this proposition and you'd be
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able to get maybe endorsements for it?
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Thank you.
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Samantha, what are your thoughts?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think that personally and privately, there is
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probably a majority of local politicians and elected
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officials that do, in fact, agree with this
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measure.
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Unfortunately, the Sonoma County Farm Bureau does have
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a lot of sway within the local governmental
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system.
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But I think that the Farm Bureau's extremist
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reaction to our measure is absolutely driving a
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wedge between them and the local politicians.
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We're really looking forward to getting endorsements.
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And we have been privately thanked and congratulated
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by specific elected officials within Sonoma County.
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But once we start to address a little
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bit more of the Farm Bureau's concerns, and
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we're very excited to have some events like
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that coming up.
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Once we address the Farm Bureau's concerns, I
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absolutely believe that more elected officials will come
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out in support of this ballot measure due
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to the almost outright falsehoods that the Farm
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Bureau has been spreading.
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And if I can add one update to
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that.
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Yeah, because just yesterday, the Sonoma County Board
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of Supervisors had this on their agenda for
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their meeting, because that's the process that the
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signatures are verified by the registrar of voters.
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And then they head to the Board of
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Supervisors to decide either about enacting it immediately,
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which would be great.
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It would save a lot of time for
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everybody and the cost of the election.
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But they're not going to be doing that.
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It is controversial, and they're going to put
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it to a vote.
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But they also have the option of commissioning
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a study from county agencies on the impact
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of this initiative, which they have decided to
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do.
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That's what they decided at their meeting yesterday,
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which you might think that that's not great
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news.
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But I'm actually hopeful that that will be
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helpful, because there's a lot of confusion with
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the misinformation the Farm Bureau is spreading about
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how many facilities there are in Sonoma County
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that meet the definition of a CAFO and
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what exactly, you know, all the great questions
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about how many animals this will impact, how
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many workers this will impact.
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And I think the information is important for
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people to know and will ultimately be helpful.
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I mean, there's a lot of great conversations
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to be had.
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There's also an important part in the CAFO
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initiative text about funding the transition for workers.
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And that should be mentioned in this study.
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And there should be more transparency around what
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this will actually look like if it passes.
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So we'll keep people posted.
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This study is not going to preempt it
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being on the ballot, though.
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No, definitely not.
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It's still going to be on the ballot.
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Okay, that's important.
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And I think it's very important to find
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out exactly how many workers would be affected.
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Because you're saying that, hey, they have these
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hundreds of thousands of animals, collectively, approximately two
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dozen or less concentrated animal feeding operations with
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almost 3 million animals.
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How many people are watching them?
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If it turns out that it's not very
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many, that says a lot in itself.
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I've got two dogs and a cat, and
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it's a full time job.
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Can you imagine hundreds of thousands of animals?
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And that is one of the major reasons
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why critics say these animals start suffering if
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they can't reach the water, if they break
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a limb, if they're on their backs, they
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can't turn around.
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Because who's there to pick them up?
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Who's there to give them the water?
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These are important questions that need to be
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decided.
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We've got more callers lined up, Nilo Farr
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in Dallas, Texas.
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Your question or thought for our panel.
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Hi, you needed 30,000 or 6%
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signatures of registered voters in Sonoma County, assuming
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a population of half a million.
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However, you got 7%, 37,000, which is
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huge.
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Was the support primarily from urban centres or
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rural areas?
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Yeah, tell us about the people who signed,
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Samantha.
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What were your observations?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Thank you for your question.
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We were definitely based in more urban centres,
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but as a resident of Sonoma County, I
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can tell you that the definition of urban
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centre is not necessarily what people would be
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thinking.
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We posted up mainly at grocery stores and
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other places that there would be community gatherings.
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And it was the places that there were
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small community gatherings outside of the metropolitan area
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of Santa Rosa and Petaluma that were actually
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super supportive.
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People in the rural areas wanted to have
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a conversation with us.
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People in the rural areas wanted to find
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out more about us as an individual, as
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opposed to an organisation.
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And so there was a lot of support
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from the people in the population centres.
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They would come up and ask just a
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few questions about the measure and things like
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that.
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But the people in the more rural areas
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were definitely more interested in developing a relationship
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and staying in touch with us.
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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I will say, just looking at some of
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the comments, it made me realise that just
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having these conversations with 37,000 people is
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a tremendous victory in itself.
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As I believe you mentioned, Sarah, a lot
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of these people weren't even aware that there
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were factory farms in the area.
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They're not like right out on the corner.
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And you yourself said you were not aware.
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Tell us about your personal evolution, Sarah, as
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somebody who lives there, who said just a
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few years ago, you had no idea any
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of this was going on.
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Yeah.
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So it's kind of a funny story.
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I was actually a little bit hypervigilant about
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wildfires back in the years that we were
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having back-to-back wildfires from about 2017
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to 2020.
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And I saw a plume of smoke on
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the horizon.
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So I went on a wildfire camera to
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try to figure out where it is.
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And somehow, looking at the satellite view, I
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noticed it was across the field from something
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called a Riker, oh, sorry, a duck farm.
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So I don't want to name any names,
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but I just did.
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I apologise.
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But I wondered what it was.
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And so I started looking it up and
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I thought, well, hmm, that looks like something
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kind of unusual.
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It was a lot of long, thin buildings
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that I could see from the satellite view,
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but I didn't see any animals outside.
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So I thought that kind of looks like
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what in my mind, I thought a factory
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farm would look like.
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And so I started searching online for that.
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And in the process, what I found were
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the videos you're actually broadcasting right now.
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And I just want to say these videos
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are courtesy of Direct Action Everywhere.
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There is a legal case that is a
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backstory to this as well, which we'll get
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to in a second.
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But these are some of the undercover videos
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that were taken by Direct Action Everywhere, which
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correct me if I'm wrong, Cassie, were handed
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in to the Sonoma County prosecutor demanding prosecution.
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And there was a refusal to prosecute what
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this video shows as evidence of animal cruelty.
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Go ahead.
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And by the way, I will say we
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invite anybody from any factory farm, anybody who
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wants to talk about this in Sonoma County,
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you are invited on Shane TV, we'd love
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to dialogue with you.
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Continue on.
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Sarah.
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Yeah, so in my search, I found those
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videos.
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And then I found DxE.
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And I was just really, really intrigued.
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And that sort of began my journey on
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animal rights activism.
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I'd had an experience back in the early
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90s, where I had found a duck that
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was tangled in fishing wire at Stinson Beach
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in here in Northern California.
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And I couldn't help the duck.
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And I didn't know about animal rescue and
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things like that.
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Then I really just had no clue what
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to do.
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And it haunted me all these years that
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I couldn't help this poor duck that was
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clearly dying.
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And I'm sure it did perish.
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Its beak was ripped off.
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And anyway, so it was just one of
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those moments where you have a pivotal moment
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in your life.
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And the path became clear.
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And so I started getting more involved.
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And now I'm the co-founder of a
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local organisation called FACES of Sonoma County.
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And that stands for Farm, Animal, Climate, and
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Environmental Stewards.
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And we're basically trying to raise awareness about
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the impacts of factory farming on the animals,
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the environment, and the climate.
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That's our main thing.
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And also public health and safety.
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We have a lot of issues going on
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around that.
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And worker safety.
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But one of our main focusses right now
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is supporting this ballot measure as a founding
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partner of the coalition.
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So when opponents of this measure say, oh,
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it's a bunch of extremists, and you're one
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of the leaders, would you consider yourself an
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extremist?
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I am extremely compassionate.
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I love that.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I want to get to a comment that
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was made on social media here.
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And I'm going to look for it right
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now.
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I'm going to hit Cassie with this one.
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Is DXC promoting reduce and buy local humane
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free range instead?
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What would they say when people ask, where
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should we buy from?
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I'll just let you take that one, Cassie.
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Yeah, thanks, Leah.
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That's a great question.
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It's really interesting to be working with so
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many different groups in the coalition, because we
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all are coming to this point of wanting
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to oppose CAFOs for various different reasons.
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There are environmental law firms and labour rights
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groups and local businesses in Sonoma County, restaurants
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and small animal producers who are signed on
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to the coalition to end factory farming.
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So we certainly don't all agree on what
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exactly the vision is of 10 years from
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now, 20 years from now in Sonoma County,
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in California and the world.
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But we do all agree.
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And I think that shows that this isn't
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an extreme ask.
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It's something most people agree with when they
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are given the facts on stopping large CAFOs,
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on stopping these facilities that disproportionately harm our
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environment, pollute the water and the air, harm
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animals, harm workers, and pose a huge risk
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to public health.
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So we're really focussing on those facts, on
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those statistics and examples within the county right
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now, because that's something we all agree on.
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I think if you were to reach out
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to different members of the coalition, you'd get
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some different answers on what they would suggest
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we replace those facilities with.
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But honestly, there are small animal producers on
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the coalition because they think that they're doing
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it better and they want the opportunity to
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compete.
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And right now they really struggle to compete
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when there are a few small players that
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dominate the industry.
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We've got, sorry to cover you down there,
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but we've got this, Curtis Anthony.
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The fact that there is this much controversy
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and press on the measure already is a
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win in and of itself.
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This is said to be the single most
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politically charged ballot measure in the history of
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the county and has the opportunity to draw
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national attention, time to knock on doors and
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hit the phones.
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Let's get after it.
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Your thoughts on that comment by Curtis Anthony,
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Samantha Faye.
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Thank you, Curtis, for your comment.
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I absolutely agree with you.
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The amount of press and the amount of
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attention that this ballot measure has gained clearly
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shows that the opposition is afraid of the
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impact of this ballot measure, even while not
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understanding, truly not understanding the impact of this
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ballot measure.
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And I completely echo your sentiments that it's
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time to get on the phones.
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It's time to knock doors.
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It's time to join community events and really
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get the word out about this ballot measure
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because there has been so much controversy that
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is led entirely by falsehoods from the Farm
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Bureau.
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So follow up, what is your promotion plan
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to get voters on board with this?
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What kind of campaign are you planning?
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And I think that goes back to Samantha,
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right?
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Sure.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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We have a very traditional campaign that's being
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run right now.
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We're really looking into getting door knockers.
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We're looking into getting yard signs and all
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of these other things.
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But we also are running an untraditional campaign
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in the way that we're reaching out individually
21:23
on a one-to-one level with organisations
21:26
that actually would, in another world, be opposed
21:31
to our ballot measure.
21:31
Like Cassie was saying, and like Sarah was
21:33
saying, we have small animal farmers on our
21:35
coalition with us, which I think is honestly
21:39
really incredible.
21:39
When we're trying to pass legislation about banning
21:43
fracking and stuff, we don't get other oil
21:46
companies to sign on to these ballot measures,
21:48
or yeah, to sign on to these measures.
21:50
So I think that it's traditional in some
21:53
ways and untraditional in others.
21:55
Yeah.
21:56
And we've got Leah saying, that's a disappointing
21:59
answer.
21:59
Small animal farmers are better.
22:00
No, they're not.
22:03
What I will say to that is everything
22:06
in life is a process.
22:08
Few big changes are events.
22:11
And a process is a whole bunch of
22:14
steps.
22:15
And so it's sometimes magical thinking to think
22:20
that everything is just going to change like
22:21
that at once.
22:23
And also, just speaking in general for the
22:27
movement of Compassionate Animals, we don't want to
22:28
be an exclusive club.
22:30
We want to get as many people in
22:31
and give them the opportunity to evolve on
22:36
this subject.
22:38
That's just my personal opinion.
22:41
But I want to talk a little bit
22:43
about the backstory that certainly this is breaking
22:49
news, it's making headlines.
22:52
CBS News, a lot of other major publications
22:56
are talking about the measure seeking to limit
22:58
the size of Sonoma County livestock and poultry
23:01
farms qualifying for the ballot to be decided
23:05
by the voters in November.
23:08
There was a trial in this same county
23:12
and the co-founder of Direct Action Everywhere,
23:17
the leader in the Open Rescue Movement, Wayne
23:20
Chung, was prosecuted and convicted.
23:23
And I just want to play a little
23:26
clip of him talking about just some aspects
23:31
of the case.
23:32
He was gagged, but he did speak into
23:34
a camera sometimes in the back of a
23:37
car to try to get his position out
23:39
during the trial.
23:40
Hundreds of activists walked into factory farms and
23:43
slaughterhouses, gave aid to animals, even locked their
23:45
necks in the slaughter line to prevent animals
23:47
from drowning in scalded water.
23:49
But I personally did not touch a single
23:51
animal.
23:51
I personally did not touch a single part
23:54
of the slaughterhouse machinery.
23:56
Instead, I'm being charged for conspiring with others
23:58
who allegedly did.
24:00
But all the prosecution's evidence involves speech.
24:02
They've asked questions of our witnesses, such as,
24:04
are you vegan?
24:05
Are you Wayne Chung's friend?
24:06
Have you organised vigils for Wayne Chung?
24:08
But all those things are crimes.
24:10
There are multiple cases in California recently, including
24:12
a case called People vs.
24:14
Berziceana and another case called People vs.
24:16
Aware.
24:16
Only that you do not know that what
24:19
you're doing is a crime.
24:20
So, for example, if you're live streaming and
24:22
engaging in first amendment activity, and if your
24:24
involvement in a crime is just cheerleading, for
24:27
example, giving a speech or a multi-individual,
24:29
you can't be liable for a felony conspiracy.
24:31
So we'll be testing in court tomorrow.
24:33
It's not just animal rights, a free speech.
24:36
All right, but he was convicted.
24:38
So let's put this ballot measure in the
24:42
context of what's been happening in Sonoma County.
24:45
He was convicted.
24:46
He served a very short time.
24:48
He was then released.
24:50
Happy to say that Unchained TV covered all
24:53
of it.
24:54
We were the only news organisation to be
24:56
live from the beginning to the end of
25:00
the trial and his release after serving time.
25:04
So Cassie, as a lead communications for Direct
25:08
Action Everywhere, put this into perspective.
25:13
There is a lot happening in the animal
25:16
rights movement in Sonoma County.
25:17
There are a lot of groups.
25:19
There are a lot of strategies.
25:21
This is part of it.
25:22
And I will say the first thing that
25:23
Wayne did after he was released from spending
25:26
several weeks in jail was go out and
25:28
collect signatures to get this factory farm ban
25:30
on the ballot.
25:32
So, you know, we can be members of
25:35
different groups and support in different ways.
25:37
And while Wayne participates in Open Rescue, he
25:39
can also collect signatures.
25:41
And I've helped collect some of these signatures
25:43
myself and definitely had on some occasions, people
25:46
ask, you know, is this related to the
25:49
trial that just happened?
25:50
And I could talk to people and say,
25:52
well, in some ways it's related because that,
25:55
you know, those people, including myself, who was
25:57
originally in the case and they dismissed my
26:00
charges at the last minute on the first
26:02
day of trial, you know, we're facing prosecution
26:06
for bringing public attention to what's happening in
26:09
these CAFOs, like the facilities that were involved
26:12
in this trial, which again, you're playing footage
26:15
from one of them.
26:16
This footage wouldn't have even made its way
26:19
to people like Sarah and Sam if Direct
26:22
Action Everywhere investigators hadn't released it.
26:25
So it's part of the puzzle of what's
26:27
happening.
26:28
And it's one important part is getting the
26:30
investigatory footage out there and the stories of
26:32
rescued animals.
26:33
And I'm hopeful that that part of what's
26:36
unfolding in Sonoma can assist the ballot measure.
26:39
I think it can certainly go both ways
26:41
if people want to call it extreme or
26:44
radical.
26:44
But I also think that when they see
26:46
this footage and when they recognise what's happening
26:48
behind the closed doors of these facilities that
26:50
they might not even realise exist in their
26:52
county, that they're going to think that what's
26:55
happening to animals is pretty extreme as well.
26:58
And, you know, I just want to do
27:02
the timeline so that people understand who are
27:04
watching.
27:05
There was these undercover investigations.
27:09
There are laws in California, anti-cruelty laws,
27:12
and Direct Action Everywhere maintains that they're being
27:15
violated because, well, the condition of some of
27:19
these animals speaks for itself.
27:21
And they took the video, they went in,
27:24
undercover investigation, took video, and then took the
27:27
video to prosecutors and said, prosecute this.
27:30
And the prosecutors in this county refused to
27:33
prosecute.
27:35
Then after that, and correct me if I'm
27:38
wrong, if I have the timeline wrong, there
27:40
was something called a mass open rescue at
27:43
several of these facilities.
27:44
And I'm going to show you some video.
27:47
Large numbers of activists go to a facility.
27:52
They're holding flowers.
27:54
They're singing songs.
27:55
Some of them are chaining themselves to the
27:56
front.
27:57
Some of them are going in and taking
27:58
out a select number of injured animals, animals
28:02
that appear in distress.
28:04
But look at the turnout by law enforcement.
28:08
Now, I'm personally just speaking as a California
28:10
taxpayer.
28:12
Just where I live, we had somebody shooting
28:14
off a whole bunch of gunfire a couple
28:17
of nights ago, terrifying the whole community.
28:21
And I was scared to walk my dogs.
28:24
I would love to see this kind of
28:27
police presence protecting me and protecting other taxpayers
28:30
from violent crime that is going on in
28:33
the community.
28:35
But look at this turnout of law enforcement.
28:40
I mean, that is a huge turnout.
28:42
So this is some of the backstory of
28:45
what's happening in Sonoma County.
28:47
And I want to ask Samantha Faye, why
28:50
Sonoma County?
28:51
Is it because it's a very agricultural county
28:56
in California?
28:58
It might be called...
28:59
Remember, California arguably is either one of or
29:02
the most important state of the union.
29:04
It's about to become...
29:05
It's already the fifth largest economy in the
29:07
nation.
29:08
It's about to become the fourth largest economy
29:10
in the nation.
29:11
So what happens here in California is super,
29:15
super important to what's going to happen in
29:18
the rest of the United States and the
29:20
world.
29:21
Absolutely.
29:22
So just a little bit more backstory.
29:25
I was there at that mass open rescue
29:27
that you just broadcast.
29:30
And even more so than the police, the
29:32
police on the ground on foot that you
29:34
can see, there was four different municipality helicopters.
29:38
So Sonoma County has a sheriff's helicopter.
29:42
Marin has a sheriff's helicopter.
29:44
And there was even helicopters that came in
29:47
from Napa and from San Francisco County.
29:49
So even though it's extreme, the amount of
29:51
police presence that's on the ground, there were
29:54
even more that you can't even see in
29:56
that shot.
29:57
And then up on one side of the
29:59
street and down on the other side of
30:00
the street, they had paddy waggons that were
30:02
also full of police officers.
30:05
So it was really important to me as
30:07
a Sonoma County resident and an animal rights
30:09
activist that we do this in Sonoma because...
30:12
And I know that we've had a little
30:13
bit of discussion just on air right now
30:15
about small animal farmers.
30:17
But it was really important to me because
30:19
these large CAFOs are actually riding on the
30:23
reputation that small animal farmers feel as though
30:25
they've built for Sonoma County.
30:27
So people in Sonoma County, the consumers absolutely
30:31
believe that they're purchasing from these small animal
30:34
producers when they are in fact not.
30:36
They almost never are because these small animal
30:39
producers don't even have the ability to sell
30:42
their animal products in stores.
30:46
But the large CAFOs and all of these
30:49
things that people assume only exist in places
30:52
like Livingston, California and Modesto absolutely exist in
30:56
Sonoma County.
30:57
And so we chose Sonoma County specifically because
31:00
I wanted it.
31:01
But we also chose Sonoma County specifically because
31:04
of the surprise in which people receive this
31:12
information.
31:12
Everybody knows about the animal facilities that are
31:15
in Central California.
31:17
Everybody drives by Harris Ranch and all of
31:19
those things and they think that they're terrible.
31:21
And of course they want to do something
31:22
about it.
31:24
Let's leave the names of various ranches out.
31:27
We invite anybody mentioned on at any time.
31:29
Sorry about that.
31:31
But the animal facilities that you drive through
31:34
in Southern California, people want to stop those.
31:37
People want to see that phased out.
31:40
But what they don't see is that when
31:42
you have like at the Mass Open Rescue
31:46
that you just broadcast, you can see that
31:48
all the grass is green around the facility.
31:50
And so people legitimately think that when they
31:52
see green grass, that there's no way it
31:55
can be a concentrated animal feeding operation.
31:57
And so therefore, I think it's even more
31:59
sinister in Sonoma County that these facilities exist
32:03
on the same level as they do in
32:05
Central California, but they're hiding behind basically just
32:09
the weather that we have here.
32:11
So fascinating.
32:13
So again, we're going to go to a
32:16
caller, Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question or
32:19
thought for our panel.
32:22
Hi, Jane, thank you for taking my call.
32:24
And I want to give a shout out
32:26
to Unchained TV.
32:27
This is how I learned about DxD.
32:30
And I was actually able to go to
32:32
the right to rescue trial for Wayne.
32:35
And I got to see all three, Casey,
32:39
Samantha, and Sarah in action getting the ballot,
32:43
getting signatures and working so hard to get
32:45
this on the ballot.
32:47
So congratulations.
32:48
And I wanted to know what we can
32:51
do if we don't live in the area
32:53
to support this to help get it passed.
32:56
And also if you're planning any big rallies
32:58
or something we could put on the calendar
33:01
to come up for.
33:02
So thank you.
33:03
Thank you all.
33:04
Hi, Tiffany.
33:06
So that's amazing to hear.
33:08
This is how you learned about what's going
33:09
on in Sonoma County and that you made
33:11
the trip up for the trial.
33:12
And since you're not that far to somebody
33:15
who is out of the county, but able
33:17
to travel in a day's drive up there,
33:19
I definitely would say keep an eye out
33:21
for some of big events that are coming
33:23
up.
33:23
I believe the coalition's planning a launch party
33:26
for Saturday, May 11th, and I'm sure that
33:28
there will be other events.
33:30
I think it would be great to do
33:31
a town hall or some kind of public
33:34
debate, have different coalition members speak, have the
33:37
Farm Bureau speak if they're willing to.
33:40
And yeah, just get the word out with
33:43
more events.
33:44
But also there will be door knocking and
33:46
phone banking and phone banking, obviously, because it's
33:48
done with phone can be done from outside
33:51
of the county.
33:52
So stay tuned for information about that, because
33:54
that's the way that you could help from
33:56
your own home.
33:57
Tom says that we're more security at the
33:59
chicken factory than the Capitol on January 6th.
34:03
I don't know if that's true, but we
34:04
get the point.
34:05
What is the URL for people to go
34:10
to if they want to get involved in
34:11
this and learn exactly what's happening and when
34:13
the events are?
34:15
Great question.
34:16
It's EndFactoryFarming.vote. EndFactoryFarming.vote is the website
34:21
for the Coalition to End Factory Farming, which
34:23
is the ballot committee behind the whole campaign.
34:26
And you can actually see a lot of
34:28
useful information on there, including you can find
34:30
the link to the text of the initiative.
34:33
You can find the supporters who are listed
34:35
on there and click through and check out
34:37
their websites.
34:38
You can volunteer or just subscribe to the
34:41
email list to stay up to date.
34:43
So I just want to go over sort
34:47
of the mechanics of all this because ballot
34:49
measures are complicated.
34:51
So Samantha, there's a lot of nuances on
34:55
how this is going to unfold, what the
34:57
actual wording will say, how do people vote,
35:00
yay or nay?
35:02
Tell us about it because, you know, I
35:06
always vote, but I vote at home and
35:09
it's complicated.
35:10
Then I have like a little packet that
35:11
someone sends me and I read, is this
35:13
yay or nay?
35:15
Are you going to be in those packets?
35:16
And if so, who's sending them out?
35:18
What are the deets?
35:20
Yeah, absolutely.
35:21
We fully plan on having a voter guide
35:24
and being in other organisations' voter guides as
35:27
well.
35:27
Our coalition partners will be emailing their email
35:31
lists on getting people out, getting people to
35:34
vote.
35:34
We don't have the text that is actually
35:36
going on the ballot right now.
35:41
There was a while ago like Prop 6,
35:45
I believe, that had their ballot measure information
35:50
worded really poorly within the ballot measure in
35:53
order to trick people to voting yes or
35:56
voting no on a specific issue.
35:59
So we're looking forward to having extremely clear
36:02
and transparent language in the ballot.
36:04
And we're looking forward to having extremely clear
36:07
and transparent language in our voter guides as
36:10
well.
36:10
And thank you for always voting.
36:12
I also always vote as well.
36:14
It's very important.
36:15
All right.
36:16
We've got another caller, Christina in Los Angeles.
36:18
Your question or thought?
36:20
Hi, everyone.
36:23
You're all so intelligent and articulate.
36:26
It's really a joy to listen and watch
36:29
you all, first of all.
36:31
So my, I guess, question or comment is,
36:35
would it be contemplated to also add to
36:38
this movement?
36:40
The ballot measure, sure, would talk about factory
36:44
farms and so forth.
36:45
But to add to the whole bigger picture
36:48
of instead of factory farms, and I'm sure
36:50
people and companies are in fear of losing
36:54
profits and jobs, is to say, listen, we've
36:57
got companies coming in lined up.
37:01
They would love to open up produce and
37:03
fruit organic farms that would increase in profits
37:08
for everyone and create jobs.
37:10
And so sort of coupling those two ideas
37:13
together.
37:14
It's not just a loss to their county
37:17
when folks are concerned about the economy, but
37:19
it's a plus when you can substitute it
37:21
with growing and thriving industries.
37:25
Wow.
37:26
Excellent.
37:27
Who wants to take that?
37:29
Samantha, you're nodding your head.
37:31
Isn't there something in your proposal that says
37:33
that there has to be sort of a
37:36
whole system for getting anybody who's lost their
37:39
job as a result of the closure of
37:41
these two dozen facilities to get other jobs?
37:45
Absolutely.
37:46
So there is a provision in the measure
37:48
that states that there is already federal funding
37:52
for farm workers to transition into other agricultural
37:57
jobs.
37:58
And I know that there is actually a
38:01
dairy farm in Humboldt County where my husband's
38:04
family is from that was successfully transitioned into
38:07
a quinoa farm.
38:09
And so they were even able to keep
38:10
the same exact irrigation facilities that they had.
38:14
They were able to completely redesign the creamery
38:17
and the milking parlour basically into somewhere that
38:22
plant protein is being processed now.
38:24
And it is an extremely successful business venture.
38:28
They sell actually to Lundberg, one of my
38:31
favourite brands.
38:32
So when you're buying that brand, you can
38:34
also be supporting the transition of farm workers.
38:38
It's so amazing how many people are involved
38:42
in this.
38:42
You know, I've collected signatures over the years.
38:45
I went out and collected signatures for Prop
38:47
2 many years ago that went into effect
38:49
in 2015, I believe.
38:52
That was an anti-cruelty measure.
38:54
I also collected signatures for Prop 12.
38:57
It's hard.
38:58
I stood outside the farmer's market.
39:00
People brush by you, you know, later.
39:03
And so how many people do you have
39:05
involved in all of this?
39:08
And how do you coordinate all this?
39:11
Who wants to take that?
39:14
I can start.
39:16
I probably won't give all of the information,
39:19
but I don't know all the information.
39:21
But there were roughly 150 volunteers that all
39:26
worked hard to collect the signatures.
39:29
And so that's a huge part of it,
39:32
right?
39:32
You have to have the numbers.
39:35
I guess, well, I think that's about as
39:38
much as I want to say.
39:39
All right.
39:40
Well, Sarah, take it away.
39:45
Yeah.
39:45
So we have about 150 volunteers, like Sarah
39:48
said.
39:49
We really appreciate them.
39:51
And I hope that some of them are
39:53
watching right now.
39:53
Thank you so much for everything that you've
39:55
done for the campaign.
39:57
Moving forward, we really want people to get
40:00
their friends involved.
40:01
So that's kind of how our organisation is
40:05
sort of, and I know it's a charged
40:06
term, trickle down, basically, that we have people
40:10
who are really super passionate about the measure
40:13
and about factory farming.
40:14
And they'll go out and they'll get two
40:16
or three friends to come with them to
40:17
Signature Gather.
40:19
And it's very low pressure.
40:21
I know that a lot of people are
40:22
really afraid of it.
40:23
I personally really dislike being brushed past, and
40:26
I wish that people would say, no, thank
40:28
you.
40:29
But it can be very emotionally draining work.
40:33
And so we're so, so, so thankful to
40:36
all of the volunteers that have helped us
40:37
and to all of the volunteers who have
40:39
brought even more volunteers in.
40:41
I just have one funny anecdote.
40:43
I remember many years ago, I was collecting
40:46
outside the farmer's market and there was my
40:49
yoga teacher brush past me and was like,
40:52
later.
40:52
And I was like, wait a second, you're
40:55
not being the same person you are on
40:58
that yoga mat.
40:59
It was a hilarious moment.
41:02
Well, so Cassie, how does the after it's
41:07
on the ballot effort differ from getting it
41:10
on the ballot?
41:11
Those are two totally different things.
41:14
Right.
41:14
It's a lot more.
41:16
I think the campaign needs to increase 10x
41:20
because we need to knock on so many
41:23
doors.
41:24
We didn't need every we didn't need a
41:27
majority of voters in Sonoma County to sign
41:29
the petition to get this on the ballot.
41:31
We needed a small percentage of the number
41:34
of people who had voted in a recent
41:36
election.
41:37
And we exceeded that, which is great.
41:39
But in this case, what we'll need for
41:40
this measure to pass is a majority is
41:43
over 50 percent of people who vote on
41:45
it to vote in support of it.
41:48
And that means we need to get the
41:49
word out to a much larger pool of
41:51
people.
41:52
And we also, at the same time, have
41:54
more to explain, because it's pretty simple to
41:57
let people know the very basic what this
42:01
is and the timeline for it and that
42:03
we need them to sign to get it
42:04
on the ballot.
42:05
But now we're getting to convincing people to
42:08
vote for it.
42:08
And some people, they're already convinced.
42:11
You definitely run into people who are like,
42:13
thank you for doing this.
42:14
And how do I get involved?
42:16
Which is great, because they're already excited to
42:19
volunteer.
42:20
Like Sam said, people have jumped into the
42:22
campaign just from signing and now they're volunteers.
42:25
But there's also people who have a lot
42:27
of questions, understandably, because if you don't even
42:30
know what a CAFO is or what exactly
42:32
a factory farm is, then you probably don't
42:35
know all these other facts about the ways
42:38
that they're harming our community, the impacts that
42:42
they have on air quality and water quality
42:44
and workers and just how hidden they are
42:47
and what's happening to animals.
42:49
So there's a lot of questions that people
42:51
have, and it will take more time to
42:53
have these conversations than the conversations getting people
42:56
to sign.
42:57
So, yeah, we need more help if people
42:59
want to come up and volunteer.
43:00
If anybody watching is in Sonoma County, we
43:02
would love to have you sign up at
43:05
nfactoryfarming.vote and become a volunteer.
43:07
All right, we got a caller.
43:09
Annie in Sherman Oaks, your question or thought?
43:13
Hi, yes, thank you, Jane, for taking my
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call.
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Thank you all for all you do.
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I love you all, Kate, Cassie, Sarah, Wayne,
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every single one of you are incredible heroes,
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really.
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I want to know, what is the specific
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lines that you could give, and is there
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a way we can make flyers, something that
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everyone can use, even those of us if
43:37
we cannot make it to Sonoma County, to
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expand and, you know, your message so that
43:44
it reaches out bigger population?
43:47
Good point.
43:47
Good question, Samantha.
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What can people do who are not in
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Sonoma County?
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Yeah, so thank you for your question.
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There is a lot of going to be
43:59
a lot of phone banking available.
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If you can't make it up to Sonoma
44:02
County at all, that's definitely one of the
44:04
ways that you can participate remotely.
44:07
I highly recommend going out and seeing if
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you do already support businesses that operate in
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Sonoma County.
44:14
I know that Sherman Oaks is a little
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far away, but I'm down in Southern California
44:18
a lot, and I go to a lot
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of the vegan restaurants that are down there.
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And so if you've been to a vegan
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restaurant in Sonoma County, I recommend emailing them
44:27
very nicely and saying, thank you for providing
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plant-based options in Sonoma County, and I
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hope that you will look forward to voting
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yes on this measure.
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Also, additionally, there is going to be a
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lot of materials that are coming out.
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Just within the next couple of weeks, we
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are printing out a bunch of leaflets.
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Most of our literature is going to be
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printed.
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And so if you have the ability to
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get a hold of some of that literature
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from us, you can find our email at
45:00
our website at nfactoryfarming.vote. Go ahead and
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get your hands on some of that literature
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and bring it to your favourite vegan restaurants
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and all of the restaurants that offer plant
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-based options, because those are the places where
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our community really is being built.
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Community is built over food.
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So when we have that literature out, please
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go ahead, bring that around.
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And you know what?
45:25
Your individual influence might bring this measure to
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your town as well.
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Can I jump in?
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Oh, we have to talk about that.
45:33
Yes.
45:34
Go ahead, Sarah.
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Oh, thanks.
45:36
So I just wanted to add to that
45:37
a couple of things, and I do want
45:38
to rewind for a second also, but we
45:40
do have a couple of upcoming events for
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folks that are here in Sonoma County or
45:44
that might be visiting Sonoma County for Earth
45:46
Day weekend.
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FACES, the organisation that I represent, one of
45:50
the coalition partners, is going to be having
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a booth at the Santa Rosa Earth Day
45:54
Festival.
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And one of the main things we're going
45:57
to be doing there is to be campaigning
45:58
for the ballot measure.
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So we will have lots of literature and
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materials.
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We will have leaflets.
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I just saw that comment.
46:04
So that's one of the things I really
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wanted to emphasise is the leaflets that are
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probably being printed as I speak, or one
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day this week anyway, very soon.
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So we will have those, and hopefully those
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will be made available for folks online who
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are not local, something that you, you know,
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are local, so that you can have that
46:23
and download it and pass those out to
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your friends, family, other folks, or restaurants.
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But the one thing that I wanted to,
46:31
oh, and then the second event is Healdsburg
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Climate Action Festival.
46:35
We will be, the campaign to end factory
46:38
farming will actually be at the Healdsburg Climate
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Festival on Sunday.
46:43
Did I say the date?
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So Earth Day Santa Rosa is this Saturday,
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April 20th.
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Then the Climate Fest in Healdsburg is Sunday,
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April 21st.
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So we'll be at both of those events.
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Yeah.
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And let me just say, because this is
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going to be on, you know, as an
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evergreen, there are those kinds of events coming
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up all the time.
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I have two key questions.
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One is...
47:05
Jane, I have to jump off a little
47:08
bit early, like I mentioned, but just another
47:10
thing is people, people can also donate to
47:12
support the campaign at the website as well
47:14
and factoryfarming.vote. Okay.
47:17
Very good point.
47:18
Thank you so much.
47:19
So let me ask you, Samantha, a question
47:23
here.
47:24
What is the timeline for farmers to transition
47:27
if this passes?
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That's a really great question.
47:30
So our timeline for phase-out is a
47:32
three-year period.
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And then after that three-year period, there
47:36
becomes some legal consequences like fines, et cetera,
47:41
for those facilities that refuse to phase out
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or for the facilities that refuse to limit
47:47
their size and limit their environmental footprint into
47:52
a specific range.
47:54
So our measure is only going to affect
47:56
concentrated animal feeding operations.
47:59
And so once you reduce your herd size
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or reduce your environmental footprint to a place
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where the EPA no longer considers you a
48:07
factory farm, that will become another situation for
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those farmers.
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But the transition phase is three years.
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And I know that there was a specific
48:19
facility in Sonoma County that transitioned into a
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mushroom farm.
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And that was a comment that we got
48:25
earlier.
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So I believe that that transition period only
48:28
took about two years.
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It wasn't very long at all.
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And I know that the transition period for
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the quinoa farm in Humboldt County was actually
48:36
less than a year.
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So all of these resources are available to
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the people who own these types of facilities
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and the people who work at these types
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of facilities who no longer want to work
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at these types of facilities.
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So the phase-out...
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Samantha, I read that animals are counted as
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units in the industry.
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And, you know, I find that offensive just
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personally.
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But how does that factor in?
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A chicken is not an entire unit?
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Or a cow is an entire unit?
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What the heck?
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Yeah, it's very confusing.
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And I know that the director of the
49:17
Sonoma County Farm Bureau was the one who
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perpetuated that misinformation.
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But that is a USDA and FDA definition
49:27
is animal units.
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But the EPA definition, which is the only
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definition that we're working on, and the only
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definitions that matters for the ballot measure are
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individual animals.
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So the FDA and the USDA will judge
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animals in animal units, and the EPA will
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judge animals in individual animals.
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So again, that was just another really great
49:50
example of pure disinformation and pure misunderstanding perpetuated
49:56
by individuals that are involved with the Sonoma
49:58
County Farm Bureau.
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I just want to say, I cannot independently
50:04
confirm all of this.
50:06
This is a lot of technical stuff.
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But we do invite the Farm Bureau on
50:11
any time.
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Again, we would love to dialogue with you.
50:15
You have an open invitation.
50:17
I want to ask you about the big
50:18
picture here.
50:20
If this passes, could this spread to other
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parts of the country?
50:26
And Sarah, what are your thoughts on that?
50:29
Oh, absolutely.
50:30
I think that's one of the biggest reasons
50:32
that this is becoming such a hot topic,
50:34
and it's being talked about on news channels
50:37
and on media outlets in other states, because
50:40
the industry is so concerned that if we
50:45
do have success, or maybe even if we
50:47
don't have success, if we just raise enough
50:50
awareness that other people are going to take
50:52
the baton and run with it, I think
50:55
they absolutely will.
50:57
And it's about time.
51:00
So let me ask you, we only have
51:03
a couple of minutes.
51:05
We'll get final thoughts from each of you.
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But what about advertising?
51:08
What about social media advertising and television advertising?
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I am very, very excited to get into
51:16
the advertising period of our campaign.
51:20
It is going to be an incredible creative
51:22
process to work with a team that we've
51:24
already been working with.
51:27
I'm very, very excited to get our message
51:31
out to everyone and to clear up some
51:34
of the, like I said earlier, the extreme
51:37
misunderstandings or the intentional misinformation that's being spread
51:41
by our opponents.
51:42
There will be many different ways of advertising.
51:49
We're going to most likely be using television,
51:52
print, billboards, all of these other things.
51:55
We're definitely going to take advantage of every
51:57
single opportunity that we have available to us.
52:00
So I'll definitely make sure that if we
52:01
do have a television commercial or something like
52:06
that, that we will send it to you,
52:09
Jane, and you can send it to all
52:10
of your followers as well.
52:12
Well, let's put this in history with final
52:15
thoughts.
52:15
Where is this?
52:17
One minute each.
52:18
So let's start with Sarah.
52:20
In the history of movements, where does this
52:23
stand?
52:26
I personally perceive this as the new frontier
52:30
of social justice movements.
52:33
We've seen throughout history that there have been
52:35
many great movements that have served to ultimately
52:39
liberate and elevate various groups and gender in
52:47
our society to establish rights and personhood.
52:52
I believe that that's where we're at now,
52:54
that there's this idea of speciesism that is
52:57
starting to come to the surface.
53:00
People are aware that animals are being treated
53:04
very differently simply because they inhabit different body
53:07
types than the human animal, and that they've
53:10
been exploited and oppressed.
53:12
And I believe that we're really following that
53:17
same trajectory and using a lot of the
53:20
same strategies for social change and social movement
53:24
that will elevate this issue and lift the
53:29
animals up and change it so that they
53:31
have rights and have personhood.
53:33
All right.
53:34
Samantha, your final thought.
53:37
Yeah, absolutely.
53:38
I feel like this ballot measure and all
53:40
of the things that are happening in Sonoma
53:41
County is really the dawn of a new
53:44
era of this movement.
53:45
We're looking at a time of truly unprecedented
53:48
government and industry collusion.
53:51
We're looking at a time of deep unrest
53:55
within the people of not only just Sonoma
53:58
County, but the people of the world.
54:00
We're tired of being lied to by large
54:04
industries that are being protected by our government.
54:06
We're tired of understanding that, especially in Sonoma
54:10
County, we do not have the ability to
54:12
influence our elected officials like the district attorney
54:16
and the judge that actually presided over Wayne's
54:19
trial is an elected official in Sonoma County.
54:22
So we no longer have the ability to
54:24
influence the judiciary system to take advantage of
54:27
the laws that already exist in California.
54:30
So this is going to be the absolute
54:32
dawn of a movement where we're working, like
54:34
Sarah said, with people who are perpetuating this
54:37
idea that speciesism is wrong and perpetuating this
54:40
idea that we have the right and the
54:42
responsibility to take advantage of our judiciary system
54:46
to actually make it work for the people.
54:49
We are out of time.
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