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Ancient Egypt, Giants & UFOs: Connecting the Dots | Pete Garcia | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Hey everyone,
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Speaker 1: modern Zaus here and I want to just talk about
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Speaker 1: our podcast, The Week in Bible Prophecy Podcast. I did
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Speaker 1: a recording recently with Pete Garcia and we talked about
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Speaker 1: a variety of things that address the year twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: We talked about archaeology discoveries, We talked about the latest
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Speaker 1: with UFO disclosure. We talked about just other stories that
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Speaker 1: are shaping the trends for this next year, and also
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Speaker 1: some that will disrupt the possibility of what is happening.
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Speaker 1: Just about what we thought would happen if again some
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Speaker 2: And now I'm going to shift to this idea called
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Speaker 2: high strangeness and selling Mondo. Before we started, it's kind
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Speaker 2: of like I feel like there's I don't know, it
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Speaker 2: feels kind of like we're in the Twilight Zone. We're
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Speaker 2: like in this alternative reality where all the things we've
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Speaker 2: been waiting to get brought to light is now Trump's like, yeah, hey,
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Speaker 2: you want to full disclosure on UFO, Let's do it.
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Speaker 2: You know, here's a Pete make it happen, you know,
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Speaker 2: Pete heacks. So it just seems like, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: it just feels like there's we're on the cusp of things,
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Speaker 2: you know, and I feel like the more things get
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Speaker 2: opened up or brought to light, the more things that
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Speaker 2: that brings out, and it's just gonna just kind of
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Speaker 2: keep snowballing from here. So I was this is the
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Speaker 2: first time I'd seen this article, and I just moved
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Speaker 2: over to a word document for my own sanity. But
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Speaker 2: let's see share screen. This is the three thousand or
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Speaker 2: you resurface thirty three hundred year old Egyptian document hents
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Speaker 2: at Biblical giants being real. Now, I mean, for you
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Speaker 2: and I, we've known that for forever because we just
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Speaker 2: take the Bible for what it says. And not only that,
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Speaker 2: but you've done you've done you know, archaeological work you've done,
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Speaker 2: you know, you've gone to these places, you've seen the
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Speaker 2: evidence with your own eyes, and you you even told me, hey,
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Speaker 2: that's old news. So could you give everybody kind of
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Speaker 2: just a brief once over on like what this document
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Speaker 2: might be and and what's so significant and possibly your
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Speaker 2: own theory ASTs to why it's being brought back out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a basically Egyptian papyrus called the Anastasi Papyrus,
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Speaker 1: and it goes back to what they're saying is roughly
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Speaker 1: thirteen hundred BC. And that's a very interesting time because
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Speaker 1: based on what we see in the biblical timeframe, you know,
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Speaker 1: some of these some of these scrolls are hard to date,
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Speaker 1: you know, definitively in the sense of you've got a
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Speaker 1: range of plus or minus you know, fifty years, depending
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Speaker 1: on you know, where it's at. But this particular one
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Speaker 1: was it was it was set by the by basically
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Speaker 1: on an army guy named Horri And so he's he's
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Speaker 1: reprimanding this another kind of scribe or you know, or
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Speaker 1: a correspondent for his lack of battlefield presence. And so
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Speaker 1: but what he does, though, is he mentions this this
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Speaker 1: group which which is well known in Egyptian called the
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Speaker 1: show suit, and these are typically Canaanites. Now, so you
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Speaker 1: got to think in terms of when God told Abraham
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Speaker 1: basically in Genesis fifteen and seventeen, hey, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: give you this land, but I'm going to or going
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Speaker 1: back to Genesis twelve even I'm going to give you
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Speaker 1: this land, but your people are going to go into
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Speaker 1: Egypt for four undred years, right, So what you see
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Speaker 1: happening is it's like that was the turning point for
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Speaker 1: Satan to refill the land with Rafaean because the word
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Speaker 1: Ruffian we see, and we see Nepheline and Genesis six.
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Speaker 1: Then you're like, well, where they'll go, Well, raffe the
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Speaker 1: word Raffayan appears in Genesis fourteen. It's being over in
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Speaker 1: the land. So while they were gone down in Egypt,
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Speaker 1: Satan fills the land with all of these tribes. You
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Speaker 1: can read about them the whole area actually not just Canaan,
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Speaker 1: but down in the Molab and to eat them just
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Speaker 1: read Deuteronomy two and three. So all those places are
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Speaker 1: really close to Egypt. So Egypt is interacting with these
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Speaker 1: giant tribes and these are tall tribes according to Deuteronomy
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Speaker 1: two and three, Moses is recounting that they're great and
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Speaker 1: as tall as the Anachem, and they're connected with the nepheline.
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Speaker 1: And then King aug was the last of the ref Yen.
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Speaker 1: So you have all of these. Well, these these all
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Speaker 1: these tribes were called the show suit, which is what
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Speaker 1: this particular scroll was describing in relation to Egypt if
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Speaker 1: they were tall. And so you see some of this
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Speaker 1: when you go down to like bux Orang Karnak, all
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Speaker 1: those areas, and you go to all the major temples.
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Speaker 1: I've been there many times, and it's pretty cool to
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Speaker 1: see this stuff. And so one of the interesting things
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Speaker 1: about it, I'll just give this last thing is that normally,
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Speaker 1: if you're the pharaoh and you're getting your inscription on
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Speaker 1: the wall, you're like this big, tall guy and everybody
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Speaker 1: else is a bunch of schmucks and you're there beaten
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Speaker 1: on him. Well, in this case, they actually show the
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Speaker 1: enemy the show shoe here as being really really big.
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Speaker 1: That's that's interesting because that's contrary to the typical propaganda
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Speaker 1: of Egyptian you know, basically hieroglyphics and stuff.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that we're going to see the veil
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Speaker 2: thinning between now and whenever the low returns. Do you
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Speaker 2: see that becoming more and more the norm where the
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Speaker 2: supernatural is going to become more and more obvious. I
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Speaker 2: can put it that way.
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent because I think that again we know
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Speaker 1: that all all all gloves are off once you know,
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Speaker 1: the rapture happens and the tribulation begins. But there's no
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Speaker 1: doubt I think that already there is if in looking
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Speaker 1: around at our culture you think about whether it's the
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Speaker 1: new age abductions, I will say this that America is
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Speaker 1: is relatively relatively speaking, isolated or separated. And and all
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Speaker 1: you have to do is ask any missionary you go
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Speaker 1: to the Third world countries like spiritism is everywhere, the
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Speaker 1: veil is already removed there. So but in the West,
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Speaker 1: you know, the the the air you die sophisticated, technologically
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Speaker 1: savvy materialists, naturalists West, Well, we don't believe in spirituals
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Speaker 1: and we don't believe in the soul. So I think
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Speaker 1: Satan has his reasons for keeping us in this view.
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Speaker 1: But it goes back to like the screw tae flutters,
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Speaker 1: where in some cultures they they instead of them denying
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Speaker 1: that their spirits. They just get them to worship the
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Speaker 1: ones that they want. The devils get them, the demons
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Speaker 1: get them to worship there. But over here in this
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Speaker 1: sophisticated scientific West, you keep them thinking that Satan doesn't exist.
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Speaker 1: And so in that sense, I think that is gonna
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Speaker 1: probably certainly, I think it'll be lessons between now and
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Speaker 1: the top start of the tribulation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense too, that that
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Speaker 2: Satan has got a different deception for every culture, and
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Speaker 2: especially with those of us who feel so enlightened with
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Speaker 2: modern technology and information at our fingertips, that we would
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Speaker 2: be much more skeptical than somebody in a third world
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Speaker 2: country who you know, has a fraction of that at
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Speaker 2: their disposal, and they'll just believe whatever they see, you know,
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Speaker 2: And so these things will appear. And that's why I
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Speaker 2: think for us in America, where there are tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands of you know, whether you're talking about Bigfoot or
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Speaker 2: UFOs or dog Man, all the different things that are
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Speaker 2: out there. Yet we don't have any conclusive evidence that
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Speaker 2: they exist, but there's overwhelming eyewitnesses to say, yeah, we did.
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Speaker 2: And even if you do get a photo of it,
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Speaker 2: it's grainy or it's blurry or it's hard to it's
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Speaker 2: not definitive. And now even adding on top of that
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Speaker 2: all the artificial intelligence, the deep fake technology like that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, they used to see him a lot,
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Speaker 2: a lot, but there was those Bigfoot reels on I
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Speaker 2: think it was on Instagram, but like the Bigfoot would
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Speaker 2: just like come up and he's just talking to you,
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Speaker 2: like he's Bob, your neighbor, and he's like, hey, check
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Speaker 2: us out. I'm going to go scare these campers and
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Speaker 2: he runs into anyways. You know, it's getting to the
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Speaker 2: point now where it's so hard to tell what's real
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Speaker 2: and what's not real. That we have that new layer
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Speaker 2: of deception thrown on top of everything else. That man,
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Speaker 2: it's as weird as it is right now today in
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Speaker 2: March whatever sixteenth. I mean, just think about what we'll
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Speaker 2: have seen if we're here still at the end of
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Speaker 2: the year, Like all the things that will have happened
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Speaker 2: by the end of the year. We probably wouldn't even
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Speaker 2: believe it. If we told ourselves today, hey, this is
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Speaker 2: going to happen six months from now, we just couldn't
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Speaker 2: see it. You know.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because you know, people. As you know,
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Speaker 1: people send us stuff and they're like, hey, take a
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Speaker 1: look at this. And and now the first question I
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Speaker 1: ask is did you vet it? Did you and did
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Speaker 1: you vet the video? I mean, to me, there's going
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Speaker 1: to come a point I would say this to anybody
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Speaker 1: that maybe they maybe they're not saved, or maybe they're
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Speaker 1: in they they're in the tribulation, or you know what,
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Speaker 1: or if the pre tribe rahapture, let's say it's wrong,
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Speaker 1: and here we are pre we're in the trip. Okay, look,
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Speaker 1: I love the word of God. Okay, the word of
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Speaker 1: God is pure. I believe it's an errant. I believe
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Speaker 1: it is. It is our only reliable source. It could
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Speaker 1: be trusted all the way. So when when when I
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Speaker 1: see something over there, I'm going to be like, I
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Speaker 1: don't care what I'm seeing there. I'm going back to scripture.
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Speaker 1: Scriptures are anchor. It's we live by the word of God.
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Speaker 1: So to me. And in fact, it's interesting in Deuteronomy thirteen,
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Speaker 1: this is like this is that this is the verse.
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Speaker 1: I wish I could share this with the Jewish people.
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Speaker 1: This is in the Torah, right, God says, look, if
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Speaker 1: somebody comes along and they predict something and it comes
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Speaker 1: to past or they do a miracle or a sign
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Speaker 1: if they get you. If it comes to past it's
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Speaker 1: a miracle modified. But they encourage you to worship other gods.
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Speaker 1: Don't follow them. I've allowed it as a test. And
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Speaker 1: so in the same way, and we know the true
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Speaker 1: God is the Father of the Lord, Jesus Christ and
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Speaker 1: his son. Right so, and I'll say it bluntly, the
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Speaker 1: Jews are worshiping a false God right now because they're
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Speaker 1: not coming to the Father. They think they're worshiping the Father.
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Speaker 1: But Jesus said to the Pharisees who claimed me worship,
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Speaker 1: you don't know me or my Father, even though you're
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Speaker 1: claiming that. So we know. Jesus said, I'm the way
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Speaker 1: that the truth life. You don't come to the Father
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Speaker 1: except for me. So when we see the religious Jews
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Speaker 1: praying and bobby and they're serious, it's all a deception
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Speaker 1: in their own mind because they're not coming to them Assiah.
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Speaker 1: And so that being the case, when we look at this,
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Speaker 1: we go look any mirror. I don't care if you
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Speaker 1: don't if it's not coming back to the scripture in
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Speaker 1: the Word of God, which is our anchor don't believe it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and you know, Satan is masterful in this way.
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Speaker 2: If you look at all the different pagan mythologies that
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Speaker 2: may have started out in like Samaria or Acadia, kind
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Speaker 2: of the early civilizations, ancient you know, the first dynasties
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Speaker 2: of Egypt and whatnot. And by the time you get
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Speaker 2: to the Greeks and the Romans, it's the same gods.
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Speaker 2: They've just changed names from culture to culture to culture.
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Speaker 2: You know, Zeus becomes Saturn or what, I don't everything. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So these gods that are just passed around, Bale and
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Speaker 2: Marduk and all these other ones that are just passed
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Speaker 2: from culture to culture. They change names. They might change
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Speaker 2: a little here and there, but basically they're the same
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Speaker 2: demonic princes or the fallen angels that are masquerading. And
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Speaker 2: I wonder, are those the princes of those territories that
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Speaker 2: become the gods, Like the prince of Persia would have
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Speaker 2: been to the Persians, he would have been uh, Marduk
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Speaker 2: or whatever whoever the god is that they worship. Is
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Speaker 2: that a way to understand who these princes were?
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent? I think it's interesting some of the
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Speaker 1: work even that Derek Gilbert has done, like he has
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Speaker 1: a book called The Return Return of Saturn, and he
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Speaker 1: talks about basically some Chemiaza who is Apollyon going into
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Speaker 1: the book revelation that he's had this history, and basically
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Speaker 1: he's Saturn and he's coming. He's he's presented himself as
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Speaker 1: some of his other names again to Zeus, bail Zeus
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Speaker 1: and Baale are the same being just one is basically
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Speaker 1: gugar Ritick or canaan I and the other one is
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Speaker 1: is Greek. But why, what's what's their description? How do
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Speaker 1: they describe themselves? They're both storm gods. So it's exactly
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Speaker 1: what you just said, is that you see these different
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Speaker 1: principalities who are if he's in six right powers and stuff,
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Speaker 1: But they are the Prince of Persia, Prince of Greece.
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Speaker 1: Daniel chapter ten, very very specific, and I believe these
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Speaker 1: guys are the watchers. These are the watchers that fell.
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Speaker 1: The word watchers only appears one time in Daniel chapter four,
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Speaker 1: but those watchers are good. But watchers seems to be
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Speaker 1: at the same rank and equivalent, just a different word watchers.
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Speaker 1: It appears in Daniel fourst So it's an Aramaic word. Yeah, right,
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Speaker 1: but it seems equivalent with sons of God, the banee laheen,
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Speaker 1: or in many ways it seems consistent with a prince.
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Speaker 1: We know that there's princes, but Michael is what he's
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Speaker 1: a chief prince, one of them, so that goes that's
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Speaker 1: consistent with the New Testament where they call him an archangel,
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Speaker 1: so he's got a higher level. So but that means
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of princes Persia, Greece. Michael's over Israel.
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Speaker 1: But those are all geographies, right, those are all land masses.
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Speaker 1: So when you see the word prince appear, it's usually
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Speaker 1: connected with the with the people or a geography. Gog.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Gog is the prince in the lands
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Speaker 2: of Maygo? That will stir up the people's to it?
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Speaker 1: Sure, he's labeled a he's like I would be interested
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Speaker 1: to see if the same word appears there, because in
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Speaker 1: English at least it mentions him as being the chief,
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Speaker 1: the chief. The word rash appears there, which the word
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Speaker 1: rash like rasa shot at that means head of the
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Speaker 1: new year, the start of the It's like a chief.
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Speaker 1: But people wonder whether rash is a location or is
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Speaker 1: basically being used as an adjective in that sense as
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Speaker 1: a chief. I'm curious to see if the word prince
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Speaker 1: appears there, because dog is a whole nother animal in
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Speaker 1: the sense of there is a demonic or at least
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Speaker 1: a fallen angel spirit behind him. Yeah, for sure, because
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Speaker 1: he reappears in Revelation twenty.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, what discovery if made tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: what do you think would change our history? Are you
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Speaker 2: know human history going forward? Like what one thing would
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Speaker 2: would really reshape the landscape we see today? And in
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Speaker 2: terms of what we know, what we think of history,
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Speaker 2: what we know of everything.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of ways that you could say.
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Speaker 1: There's a secular perspective and then there's I would say
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Speaker 1: the Christian perspective. I could throw out a couple from
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Speaker 1: a secular perspective, it would be like watching the uh
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Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lark Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Right,
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Speaker 1: this raft is discovered in the ground or it's dug
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Speaker 1: up or like that. That would be pretty fascinating, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: The Ark of the Covenant, Noah's Ark. I think there's
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Speaker 1: been a lot of testimonies about Noah's Ark being discovered
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Speaker 1: even today. But what's interesting is that if it's a
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Speaker 1: religious artifact, the world is gonna go uh yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: probably fake.
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Speaker 2: And Jill said, if Mondo discovered the earth was flat,
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Speaker 2: that would literally change the landscape.
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Speaker 1: Well, now that would be true. Yep. So far, with
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Speaker 1: all of our observatory equipment, we have not seen that.
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Speaker 2: But you know, to me, I was just thinking about
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Speaker 2: this to you. At first I thought the Ark of
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Speaker 2: the Covenant. I thought, okay, But I thought too, maybe
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Speaker 2: if they definitively found the remains of like Nimrod. I
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Speaker 2: know that there was that video from Iraq years and
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Speaker 2: years ago, but I mean, if there was some way
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Speaker 2: that that they discovered without question, like this guy is
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Speaker 2: a giant, he is appears to be some kind of
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Speaker 2: a king. He was found in the right place, right, yeah,
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Speaker 2: clearly nine yeah, or something to that extent where they
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Speaker 2: could clearly and easily identify the dating of the material,
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Speaker 2: like the just before the Bronze age, you know, like
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Speaker 2: the Stone Age or something, but like whatever age that
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Speaker 2: was in that, they could clearly date it back, and
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Speaker 2: then they were able to say, yeah, this guy or
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Speaker 2: he had a name something written on in higher galyphs
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Speaker 2: or however they wrote. I agree, I think that would
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Speaker 2: be I mean for us, I mean anybody in the
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Speaker 2: prophecy community, we'd be bounced off the wall, you know,
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Speaker 2: like what and then you know the whole idea that
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Speaker 2: they take his DNA. Now that we live in this
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Speaker 2: generation where you can actually take a DNA from somebody
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Speaker 2: that's long since dead or like a mastodon or a
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Speaker 2: dire wolf or whatever, and you could inject that into
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Speaker 2: something else and make some new chimeric type of thing,
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Speaker 2: I think, I don't know, I think that would be
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Speaker 2: pretty fascinating to see how that was, because that would
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Speaker 2: change definitely the the the narrative, or not the narrative,
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Speaker 2: the literal in this literalness, is that a word of
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Speaker 2: the days of Noah?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: Like that would to me, that.
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Speaker 1: Would be like, okay, that's a game changer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, question. We know the Third Temple will one
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Speaker 2: day be rebuilt. Aside from that, what is the one
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Speaker 2: archaeological discovery you think will be discovered before the rapture?
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Speaker 1: Before the rapture? Well, it's interesting that again, not to
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Speaker 1: double dip, but I wonder, especially if we start seeing
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Speaker 1: some of the final preparations for the Third Temple to
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Speaker 1: be built, because the Third Temple there's no there's no
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Speaker 1: timeframe of in the sense of how early it could
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Speaker 1: be built. It could be built certainly before even the
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Speaker 1: Tribulation begins theoretically, So in that sense, I wonder that again,
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Speaker 1: going back to the Ark of the Covenant, if that,
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Speaker 1: if that was to appeer. And it's interesting because in
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Speaker 1: Second Maccabees chapter two, it's it's the only place that
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Speaker 1: it appears, really, I would say, in in in the
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Speaker 1: in the Second Temple period literature. Second Second Maccabees chapter
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Speaker 1: two describes Jeremiah hiding the Ark of the Covenants near
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Speaker 1: Mountain Ebo in modern Jordan, and not just the arc,
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Speaker 1: but it describes in other things within the temple. So
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Speaker 1: the other I find that really fascinating in a cave.
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I find super fascinating still to
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Speaker 1: this day is I don't know if you've ever seen
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Speaker 1: the book, the book the Copper Scroll. Not it's about
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Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scroll, the Copper Scroll, but the actual
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Speaker 1: book called the Copper Scroll. It was written by Shelley
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Speaker 1: Nice and Uh. It basically followed the work of Jim Barfield.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that. No, it's it's so super fascinating.
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Speaker 1: It's definitely one of those books that you won't put down.
21:34
Speaker 1: But the law the story, short story is he's still around,
21:39
Speaker 1: but going back, you know, about a decade.
21:41
Speaker 2: Uh.
21:42
Speaker 1: He basically believes that he has unlocked the mystery of
21:47
Speaker 1: the Copper Scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls, and where
21:51
Speaker 1: it led him was actually to Kumroan itself, and so
21:54
Speaker 1: he believes that the arc of the Covenant and all
21:58
Speaker 1: of the temple treasures are hit at Kumron and that
22:02
Speaker 1: the copper scroll shows this, and so he actually was
22:06
Speaker 1: he he had he had full conversations with the Israeli
22:10
Speaker 1: Antiquities Authority, he had archaeologists helping him. They've done scans
22:14
Speaker 1: there where they found and this book goes through all
22:17
Speaker 1: of it. But then all of a sudden everything got
22:20
Speaker 1: shut down, like because this was prior to what's going
22:24
Speaker 1: on now. So thinking about geopolitically, he describes he describes
22:31
Speaker 1: that at this certain spot at Kumron, if you look,
22:37
Speaker 1: if you're looking west towards the face, that over here
22:41
Speaker 1: is this big monument. It's like a big piece of rock.
22:45
Speaker 1: But he says, if you go there, you'll see plaster
22:48
Speaker 1: where according to their scans, this massive amount of something
22:53
Speaker 1: was hidden underneath this monument and it's been plastered off.
22:56
Speaker 1: So back when I was there in twenty twenty three,
22:58
Speaker 1: we're at Kumron and I told the guide, I said, hey,
23:03
Speaker 1: I need you to take the group. You go do
23:05
Speaker 1: the teaching. I'll be back later. He goes, where are
23:07
Speaker 1: you going. I go, yeah, you don't want to know,
23:09
Speaker 1: So I go run and off to confirm this. Sure enough,
23:15
Speaker 1: I get out there. It's I don't know about probably
23:17
Speaker 1: half a mile a mile away. I'm just making away plaster. Man,
23:22
Speaker 1: it looks exactly like this. And so the interesting thing
23:26
Speaker 1: is is that at the time, and remember what's Israel
23:29
Speaker 1: doing right now? They're trying to change the status quo.
23:32
Speaker 1: And right now I had a conversation with another archaeologist
23:37
Speaker 1: just a few few weeks ago that Israel now and
23:41
Speaker 1: of course Aaron Lipkin, who's our tour basically operator, Israel
23:47
Speaker 1: now is taking over control of all of the management
23:53
Speaker 1: on the sovereignty of the archaeological sites in all of
23:56
Speaker 1: the West Bank, including Samaria and Joshua's Alter. So things
24:02
Speaker 1: are changing. See when this happened several years ago. Kumaran
24:07
Speaker 1: is is not really it's not in it's in the
24:09
Speaker 1: it's in the West Bank, right, it's in it's in
24:11
Speaker 1: a Palestinian territory. So the the concept or the idea
24:15
Speaker 1: was that they were they didn't want to unveil that
24:18
Speaker 1: they found boat loads of gold and the Arctic coming
24:22
Speaker 1: it down in Kumran because they didn't have necessary sobomgty
24:26
Speaker 1: and there would be international complaints that it came from
24:29
Speaker 1: Palestinian lands. But now clearly they'd be Jewish, that's for sure.
24:34
Speaker 1: So anyways, I really do think that there's things are
24:39
Speaker 1: changing right now geopolitically to where that actually could absolutely happen.
24:44
Speaker 1: And there's some other like I've been trying to get
24:47
Speaker 1: a hold of Jim Barfield. Well, we've been going back
24:49
Speaker 1: and forth because Pete, there's there's new technology out right
24:55
Speaker 1: now using satellites. We we've used it in some of
24:58
Speaker 1: our archaeological projects where the satellite technology will scan a
25:04
Speaker 1: location and it'll tell you if there's gold or silver there,
25:10
Speaker 1: and that they've been using it, like oil companies have
25:13
Speaker 1: been using the satellite technology to look for certain kinds
25:16
Speaker 1: of things and certain resonances based on the metals or
25:20
Speaker 1: the oils or whatever. And so I've been trying to
25:23
Speaker 1: talk to Jim and to say, look, let's just scan
25:28
Speaker 1: coom wrong and we'll see it will give a residence
25:34
Speaker 1: of gold being there, and that would be an absolute
25:39
Speaker 1: amazing deal. Worker. It's not cheap. It's not cheap to
25:42
Speaker 1: do it, but if there was money you again, you're
25:45
Speaker 1: doing it from space, so you don't need permits. You
25:47
Speaker 1: just do it, and that would be a complete game ginger.
25:52
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if they found that and they brought
25:54
Speaker 1: out all the gold from the Old Temple and the
25:56
Speaker 1: Arc and Covenant before the rapture.
25:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would definitely embolden the Jews to really take
26:04
Speaker 2: over not just what they currently own, but like the way,
26:08
Speaker 2: I am fully convinced that they're going to have control,
26:13
Speaker 2: uh full control over the West Bank, Juday and Samaria
26:21
Speaker 2: before I would have thought it would have already happened. Actually,
26:25
Speaker 2: back in September, I know that they did that MOP
26:27
Speaker 2: vote where when jd Vance was there and they voted
26:31
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly to reclaim Juday and Samaria, but it wasn't The
26:35
Speaker 2: vote didn't count for anything with the there and the Kinessid.
26:39
Speaker 2: But I think that in order for them to be
26:41
Speaker 2: a people dwelling peacefully and safely in their own land,
26:44
Speaker 2: they have to control their heartland. Ye, so at some
26:47
Speaker 2: point before Gog and Magog, they're going to take control
26:50
Speaker 2: of that area. In a very real sense. I was thinking,
26:54
Speaker 2: you know, something completely far away but down in Antarctic,
27:00
Speaker 2: if there was because of the snow melt and all that,
27:05
Speaker 2: that if they discovered that that pyramid looking island really
27:09
Speaker 2: was a pyramid, you know, or that pyramid looking mountain
27:12
Speaker 2: that it's down there, that that's pretty famous down there,
27:14
Speaker 2: that if it really was a man made structure, that
27:17
Speaker 2: would be pretty game changing for the world at large.
27:20
Speaker 2: It's like, what else have we not been told?
27:22
Speaker 1: You know?
27:24
Speaker 2: In terms of I think the older maps, if you
27:27
Speaker 2: go back to like the Middle Ages and stuff, the
27:30
Speaker 2: older maps show at Antarctica is green, yes, having not
27:33
Speaker 2: having an ice or whatever.
27:34
Speaker 1: That's right.
27:36
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I wish I could be there at
27:39
Speaker 2: the conference when Lee does his presentation on when the
27:44
Speaker 2: Gods crashed the Calendar or I forget I forget that
27:48
Speaker 2: the title he has for it, but it's talking about
27:50
Speaker 2: how uh whatever the conflict was that that broke Saturn
27:58
Speaker 2: or broke the planet in between Mars and Jupiter, and
28:02
Speaker 2: that makes up our current asteroid belt. That that was
28:05
Speaker 2: a planet as I think that's where he was going
28:07
Speaker 2: with it. But the timeframe also where God causes the
28:11
Speaker 2: Sun to go backwards yep, or you know, there's there's
28:15
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm curious. I want to hear his uh.
28:18
Speaker 2: I hope he does some videos on it. I don't
28:19
Speaker 2: know if he'll do that before his presentation.
28:22
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would love to hear it too.
28:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that's That's something I was considering, is
28:30
Speaker 2: some discovery down in Antarctica. I'm not saying that it's
28:32
Speaker 2: hollow Earth or anything like that, but if there's something
28:35
Speaker 2: down there that is seems like it's being hidden intentionally
28:38
Speaker 2: since they, you know, restrict so much of the people
28:45
Speaker 2: from going there, you know, since World War two timeframe.
28:48
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's uh, I don't know.
28:51
Speaker 2: I I really loved that movie The Thing, The wherether
28:57
Speaker 2: that that thing that they dig something out of the ice.
29:01
Speaker 2: This came out what's eighty eighty, I don't know, eighty
29:05
Speaker 2: one or whatever. Kurt Russell and they found that thing
29:08
Speaker 2: in the ice, and they dig it out and they
29:10
Speaker 2: start trying to drill into it, and all of a
29:12
Speaker 2: sudden it explodes and takes off. So this thing's been
29:14
Speaker 2: frozen under ice for all these you know, however long right,
29:18
Speaker 2: and I do see Antarctica coming into play at some point.
29:21
Speaker 2: That's kind of my my kind of out there theory
29:25
Speaker 2: is that it's going to come back into play. But yeah,
29:29
Speaker 2: all right, we are. We got to get to some questions.
29:34
Speaker 2: Let's see, Oh yeah, last one for you while I
29:36
Speaker 2: look up the questions from the audience. When the US
29:40
Speaker 2: government actually does full disclosure, what do you think that
29:43
Speaker 2: will actually change in our society or the world.
29:48
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I think that based on the indoctrination
29:57
Speaker 1: of basically Hollywood over the last fifty years, I think
30:06
Speaker 1: most people are gonna go, it's gonna it's gonna be like, whoa,
30:09
Speaker 1: look at this. But I don't think it's gonna change anything. Really.
30:12
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna be like, well, we knew it,
30:15
Speaker 1: you know, we knew the government's lying. Wow, you know
30:19
Speaker 1: what does that mean now? I mean it's probably gonna
30:23
Speaker 1: depend Now if you asked, what would be the response
30:27
Speaker 1: from each demographic, Right, that might be different. Somebody who's
30:31
Speaker 1: seventy might respond a little bit more shaken than somebody
30:37
Speaker 1: who's twenty.
30:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, the twenty year.
30:40
Speaker 1: Old's gonna be like, big deal. They don't come from
30:43
Speaker 1: a necessarily a biblical worldview anyway. They've been adoctated, you know,
30:48
Speaker 1: with evolution and pant spermia and all these other things.
30:52
Speaker 1: But generally, the older you are, you probably were raised
30:55
Speaker 1: someone in a Christian environment seventy five years ago. So
31:00
Speaker 1: for the most part, I think the American American culture
31:04
Speaker 1: is just going to roll with it and then let
31:07
Speaker 1: the deception begin. Right, everybody and their mother is going
31:10
Speaker 1: to have a podcast. They're gonna be, like told you,
31:13
Speaker 1: the new Agers are going to come out in force.
31:16
Speaker 2: So I could see that. I could totally see that. Yeah,
31:23
Speaker 2: especially if they like reveal themselves in some kind of
31:26
Speaker 2: physical way or manifest in some way that it's undeniable.
31:33
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's so many weird things that have been
31:35
Speaker 2: happening the whole thing in the Miami Mall. Do you
31:37
Speaker 2: remember that, Yes, you'll go. I mean, I can think
31:42
Speaker 2: of off the top of my head ten just incredibly
31:47
Speaker 2: bizarre things that have happened in the last couple of
31:50
Speaker 2: years that I think, I don't know if we're becoming
31:55
Speaker 2: desensitized to it, right, that's the whole point is that
31:59
Speaker 2: we are becoming desensitized to it. But so you know,
32:03
Speaker 2: if you think back to like Noah's Genesis six time frame,
32:08
Speaker 2: if the motivation for Satan to contaminate the human race
32:12
Speaker 2: so a Messiah, if that is the that is the
32:14
Speaker 2: modus operandi where He's going to contaminate the human race
32:17
Speaker 2: so that a Messiah couldn't come, and that obviously resulted
32:23
Speaker 2: in the global flood. And then we see that they
32:26
Speaker 2: are coming back after now they're concentrated in Israel to
32:30
Speaker 2: prevent the Jews from coming into the land. They get defeated, right,
32:35
Speaker 2: and so then they're driven out. Not to say that
32:37
Speaker 2: they've run their course, but that spirit of it, that
32:40
Speaker 2: that changing what it is to be human and introducing
32:46
Speaker 2: this whole new world of monsters. You know, and I'm
32:50
Speaker 2: not saying Frankenstein werewol if. I'm saying like people that
32:53
Speaker 2: are hybrids, people that are not fully human, people that
32:56
Speaker 2: are like the reptilians, where you're seeing somebody on some
33:00
Speaker 2: movie star on camera and given some kind of thing
33:02
Speaker 2: talking and then their eyes do some kind of like weird
33:04
Speaker 2: snake eyes and you're like, what what was that?
33:06
Speaker 1: You know? And that was real right live?
33:10
Speaker 2: That to me is like and that's and that that's
33:13
Speaker 2: what troubles me the most about this upcoming movie, Disclosure Day.
33:17
Speaker 2: The whole premise is that the aliens aren't coming down.
33:20
Speaker 2: They're already here. At least from the trailers that I've
33:24
Speaker 2: that I've seen you've showed up. It seems like they're
33:27
Speaker 2: going to try to make the case. And Satan's playing
33:29
Speaker 2: all the He's playing all the different angles at this
33:32
Speaker 2: so that whatever way, the you know, whatever, whenever the
33:36
Speaker 2: rapture happens, he's got some kind of angle covered on it.
33:38
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those people that were gone, that disappeared, they
33:41
Speaker 2: were really aliens and they just got sucked back up
33:44
Speaker 2: into their wherever they were going, Saturn or something, you know,
33:47
Speaker 2: some spaceship. And that's why I think the ships show
33:49
Speaker 2: up is not to necessarily come down on the Earth,
33:52
Speaker 2: although some might. It's to give a ready excuse as
33:56
Speaker 2: to what happened. Where did all these people disappear? To boom,
34:00
Speaker 2: there's aliens. People. If you're talking to your friend. The
34:02
Speaker 2: rafter happens boom, it's a smoking pile of clothes. And
34:05
Speaker 2: then he's like looking up or looking around. He goes
34:07
Speaker 2: outside and sees all the shift and he's gonna disconnect
34:09
Speaker 2: the dots like, oh, you must have gotten taken up
34:12
Speaker 2: by that thing, you know, by that ship or whatever.
34:14
Speaker 1: Well, especially if you know, I mean, I'm of the
34:18
Speaker 1: I'm of the persuasion that that we go up slow,
34:22
Speaker 1: that we get just like the two witnesses the enemy's watch,
34:26
Speaker 1: and we go up where we go up into the
34:28
Speaker 1: clouds and then imagine we go up into the clouds
34:31
Speaker 1: and then the ships come down out. I mean they
34:35
Speaker 1: would be like, well they took them. There they are.
34:37
Speaker 1: And so it's to me, of course, you know, there's
34:42
Speaker 1: no dogmatic Yeah, I see Jesus going up slow. The
34:46
Speaker 1: two witnesses go up slow, Eliza goes up slow. So
34:49
Speaker 1: I see kind of this rapture event as being slower.
34:51
Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, there's
34:55
Speaker 1: no doubt the world, the world is going to have
34:57
Speaker 1: some sort of answer for where we went.
35:01
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:02
Speaker 1: Sure there's a new age answer. And you know, I'll
35:05
Speaker 1: just say this too, that you know, we're talking about
35:09
Speaker 1: high strangeness, right, So we're out there like we've been
35:14
Speaker 1: talking about conjecture a lot of things. But just so
35:17
Speaker 1: people are clear, look, Jesus is the Jesus is the answer,
35:21
Speaker 1: He's the savior. In case you're missing everything else, Jesus's lord,
35:25
Speaker 1: salvation is only through him. He died for our sins
35:29
Speaker 1: and was resurrected. Okay, that's one hundred percent true. So
35:33
Speaker 1: the rest of it, we've been kind of venturing off.
35:36
Speaker 1: But it's kind of fun to venture off a little
35:39
Speaker 1: bit and to think about some of these other things.
35:41
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, again, remember the
35:43
Speaker 1: scripture is our anchor and our truth, and the Gospel
35:46
Speaker 1: is central. That's one hundred percent.
35:49
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think a lot of this talking about
35:51
Speaker 2: subjects like this, especially putting in the angle of the rapture.
35:56
Speaker 2: I kind of liken back to John fourteen twenty nine
35:59
Speaker 2: where Jesus was telling or he says, I tell you
36:02
Speaker 2: these things beforehand so that when they happen, that you'll believe,
36:05
Speaker 2: so that if somebody comes across his video after the fact,
36:11
Speaker 2: And we were sitting here talking about what is going
36:13
Speaker 2: to be the most likely excuse that people are going
36:15
Speaker 2: to think of and it happens that way was to say,
36:18
Speaker 2: aliens do show up, and I can't help but not
36:21
Speaker 2: think that they won't because I think I just did
36:24
Speaker 2: a double negative. Is because he spent the last seventy
36:30
Speaker 2: plus years inundating mankind with science fiction and with all
36:34
Speaker 2: of this stuff, with Roswell and just the increasing number
36:38
Speaker 2: of all this. It seems like it's not for It's
36:39
Speaker 2: not He's not doing it for kicks.
36:41
Speaker 1: There's a reason, Yeah, for nothing?
36:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, from Stacy, Is there more to Noah's cursing his
36:47
Speaker 2: son Ham for telling what he saw his father naked
36:51
Speaker 2: in the tent? Did more go on? I know this
36:53
Speaker 2: is I got a few different interpretations. Like Doug Woodwards,
37:00
Speaker 2: I think would say that it was the he slept
37:04
Speaker 2: with his mother.
37:05
Speaker 1: Is that the that that's one of the one of it? Yeah, yeah,
37:11
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's the two main views are he
37:16
Speaker 1: saw his father naked, which pretty straightforward. The other one
37:20
Speaker 1: is I think looks to read in later language in
37:27
Speaker 1: the Book of Leviticus talking about seeing you know, uh,
37:32
Speaker 1: if you sleep with your step mom, you have uncovered
37:35
Speaker 1: your father's nakedness or whatever. And so they they take
37:38
Speaker 1: that language there, and then I think they kind of
37:40
Speaker 1: force it in on the Genesis passage, which I don't
37:45
Speaker 1: I don't think is probably the best way to interpret it.
37:47
Speaker 1: I think it's it's pretty clear because it describes them
37:50
Speaker 1: going in backwards and covering them up. So even there,
37:53
Speaker 1: it's not so much that you know that they didn't
37:56
Speaker 1: want to see They didn't want to see it, and
37:58
Speaker 1: he is nakedness either the two brought old the one brothers,
38:01
Speaker 1: and so the other brother spent the time looking. That
38:06
Speaker 1: doesn't mean necessarily some people say that he violated his dad,
38:10
Speaker 1: you know, like sonomized him. Others that he looked, others
38:14
Speaker 1: that he slept with mom. But again, the two brothers
38:16
Speaker 1: go in and cover Noah up and because they didn't
38:20
Speaker 1: want to do it, So to me, that that just
38:22
Speaker 1: I think it's it's just a matter and make it
38:24
Speaker 1: this because later remember even like the priests, they were
38:29
Speaker 1: not allowed like you couldn't they had to cover up
38:31
Speaker 1: like you couldn't, like see their ankles. Because if you
38:33
Speaker 1: know so, you have a variety of things. But I
38:36
Speaker 1: think you're gonna have a lot of opinions. And why
38:37
Speaker 1: did he curse Canaan? Yeah, and not him. If you
38:44
Speaker 1: look at some of the prophetic utterances in the Book
38:47
Speaker 1: of Genesis, which that includes Noah, that includes Isaac to
38:57
Speaker 1: Jacob or even Jacob of Genesis forty nine to the twelve.
38:59
Speaker 1: Try these are prophetic utterances that that are prophetic, and
39:06
Speaker 1: of course God, knowing what Canaan would end up being,
39:12
Speaker 1: as we know, they filled the land of Canaan and
39:14
Speaker 1: they were filled with all these you know, Nepheline type tribes.
39:20
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to know is what. Basically, Again,
39:24
Speaker 1: there's a million scholars will have a million different answers
39:27
Speaker 1: for why that is. But yeah, I think it was
39:28
Speaker 1: one of those prophetic utterances that you see in the
39:31
Speaker 1: rest of the Book of Genesis.
39:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I'd go with the more traditional view
39:35
Speaker 2: of just he was drunk, was naked, that's why they
39:39
Speaker 2: walked in. I think Ham probably mocked him, making fun
39:44
Speaker 2: of him or whatever, and then went and told his brothers.
39:46
Speaker 2: His brothers respectfully went backwards covered him up that way.
39:51
Speaker 2: I don't go with the most salacious interpretation, but yeah,
39:57
Speaker 2: all right, we beat that horse there. Let's see from
40:00
Speaker 2: a net I got one more after this, mondo. Do
40:03
Speaker 2: you think the rapture being on it. What do you
40:07
Speaker 2: think of the rapture being on a Jewish high Holy
40:10
Speaker 2: day and the DSS calendar is that the Assines calendar.
40:17
Speaker 2: Thanks God bless.
40:22
Speaker 1: The Of course, the standard idea is that because and
40:27
Speaker 1: I'm not denying it, that Jesus was Chris fight on Passover,
40:31
Speaker 1: he's connected with the unloved bread, being unlevened himself. He
40:35
Speaker 1: was resurrected on the feast of First Routs. The church
40:39
Speaker 1: began on the Feast of Pentecost fifty days later. And
40:42
Speaker 1: so because the spring feasts and the summer feasts were fulfilled,
40:47
Speaker 1: therefore the fall feasts would be connected with the rapture
40:52
Speaker 1: and the tribulation. What I have found in all the
40:56
Speaker 1: writings is it's crystal clear that Jesus fulfilled all those
41:01
Speaker 1: spring feasts and summer feasts exactly. I mean, it's pretty amazing.
41:04
Speaker 1: In fact, it would passover between the he was killed
41:06
Speaker 1: at three pm, between the evenings. In one Griton's five
41:10
Speaker 1: to seven, Paul calls Jesus our passover land. One griendt
41:13
Speaker 1: Is fifteen, he calls Jesus the first Fruits. So you
41:16
Speaker 1: have the language all being there connected I've never seen
41:22
Speaker 1: so far, really any clear teaching that satisfies me of
41:30
Speaker 1: how the second coming in the rapture and all of
41:35
Speaker 1: that fulfills the fall feasts in the same very crystal
41:39
Speaker 1: clear literal on the dot our way, because a lot
41:46
Speaker 1: of people say, well, all the day of Atonement is
41:50
Speaker 1: is the seven year tribulation, And you go, okay, yeah,
41:52
Speaker 1: but that's interesting because again, the other ones weren't fifty
41:55
Speaker 1: years or seven years. They were literal, like on a day,
41:59
Speaker 1: and the Feast of Tabernacles is normally seven days. It's
42:04
Speaker 1: going to be a million a millennium. So you're like, well, okay,
42:08
Speaker 1: I understand that, but now you have to spiritualize it.
42:11
Speaker 1: You have to make it figurative where the spring feasts
42:15
Speaker 1: were not. So I'm a little hesitant to embrace the
42:19
Speaker 1: idea because I don't find it satisfying in the same
42:21
Speaker 1: way that the first ones are. I know a lot
42:23
Speaker 1: of people will say that, and this is I think
42:26
Speaker 1: it's a rumor. I think it's an Internet rumor where
42:30
Speaker 1: the feast of Trumpets is known as the feast of the.
42:36
Speaker 2: Y and then no man knows the day or the hour.
42:37
Speaker 1: No one knows the day or the hour. But what
42:41
Speaker 1: they leave out is not even the angels nor the sun.
42:45
Speaker 1: So it's not just simply no man knows the day
42:48
Speaker 1: of the hour. And secondly they say, well, this is
42:49
Speaker 1: a Jewish idiom. And so this is my question. Happy
42:52
Speaker 1: for someone to tell me. Give me one ancient source
42:58
Speaker 1: that specifically describes that the feast of Trumpet's is called
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Speaker 1: the feast of no man knows the day or the hour.
43:05
Speaker 1: And I look, I understand that they try to connect
43:07
Speaker 1: it with the new moon. Nobody knew exactly when the
43:10
Speaker 1: new moon was coming, which would start today. That's not
43:12
Speaker 1: I understand that. But people will make the claim this
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Speaker 1: is a Jewish idiom. Nowhere does that ever say that anywhere.
43:21
Speaker 1: I've begged people to give it to me and they
43:23
Speaker 1: come back with the same kind of trite answers, well,
43:27
Speaker 1: this is the new moon. Okay, I understand the way
43:30
Speaker 1: the newmon works, but it does not fit what Jesus
43:33
Speaker 1: said because he doesn't He didn't say, well, this is
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Speaker 1: the no man knows the day of the hour, nor
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Speaker 1: the angels or the sun. So nowhere is that feast
43:42
Speaker 1: equated with that full language anywhere. So yeah, I'm open mind.
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Speaker 1: I look, show it to me. I'm happy to embrace
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Speaker 1: it because I would love for it to be true.
43:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I've never held to a high feast
43:58
Speaker 2: date myself. I've looked at Tishpiov as a potential candidate
44:04
Speaker 2: simply because of its association with tragedy and things with
44:08
Speaker 2: the Jewish nation, and that the rapture would usher in
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Speaker 2: a time, a very terrible time for Israel, so that that,
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Speaker 2: to me would be one of those things. But I
44:19
Speaker 2: also look at the church wasn't born on Pentecost, that
44:23
Speaker 2: the Church was conceived on Pentecost, and we're in spiritual
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Speaker 2: utero right now. If you look at the language from
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Speaker 2: Romans eight and you know, waiting to be born, you know,
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Speaker 2: waiting for our adoption, waiting, you know, it seems like
44:37
Speaker 2: we're the mystery. We're the kingdom and mystery form right now.
44:42
Speaker 2: And the mystery is that we're still in utero, if
44:46
Speaker 2: I can put it that way. And if that's true,
44:50
Speaker 2: it's a theory. Right. So if that's true, and the
44:53
Speaker 2: Church was conceived on Pentecost, that's May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February.
45:02
Speaker 2: So February would be nine months from May. So then
45:08
Speaker 2: if it's again this is this is applying a naturalistic,
45:14
Speaker 2: humanistic timeline. It's super imposing in over a spiritual reality.
45:22
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much it holds up. But
45:24
Speaker 2: that you know, I don't know. I've never I've never
45:30
Speaker 2: attributed the rapture. The only date that I could really
45:32
Speaker 2: get on board with the rapture date being with a
45:36
Speaker 2: high feast date would be like Pentecost.
45:39
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what Gary Steerman very strongly believed.
45:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the only one I could really see
45:45
Speaker 2: at this last one's for you, I think because of
45:49
Speaker 2: it says for mo faith. So is Mando saying we
45:52
Speaker 2: can't trust the Old Testament.
45:54
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I'm very glad that came up.
45:57
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely not saying that at all. What I'm saying
46:02
Speaker 1: is that what I would say is to somebody that
46:05
Speaker 1: asks me that, very specifically, I'd say, well, which Old
46:09
Speaker 1: Testament are you talking about? Because are we talking about
46:15
Speaker 1: the septuagen Old Testaments or the Masotic Text? I think
46:20
Speaker 1: we have to be we have to be honest enough
46:23
Speaker 1: that yes, God preserves his words. So when you when
46:28
Speaker 1: you get into theology, like you know, deep level theology
46:32
Speaker 1: of scripture. I've read a lot of books on the
46:38
Speaker 1: theology of scripture, textual criticism, and look, I believe in errancy,
46:44
Speaker 1: I believe in fallibility. I believe all those things. The
46:48
Speaker 1: original manuscripts were infallible and an errands, okay, But what
46:52
Speaker 1: we know is we don't have the original manuscripts. So
46:55
Speaker 1: what we do have is a whole body. We have
46:58
Speaker 1: six thousand Greek manuscripts, some are full, some are less.
47:02
Speaker 1: We have less than that for the Old Testament, but
47:04
Speaker 1: we now we have the Diaditi scrolls, and we have
47:06
Speaker 1: other testimonies. So when you look at all the manuscripts
47:09
Speaker 1: of the Old Testament, the truth is in there. But
47:13
Speaker 1: there are variations between the masceretic Hebrew text and the
47:20
Speaker 1: septuagen and so on which one's right. I think what
47:25
Speaker 1: I'm saying is one of them is correct, but one
47:27
Speaker 1: of them is incorrect, And so you have to do
47:30
Speaker 1: your homework and you have to look at all of them.
47:32
Speaker 1: But I think that the scripture is clearly God's word
47:35
Speaker 1: is preserved in that body of information. But because there
47:40
Speaker 1: are oftentimes scriptural variants, textual variance. Most of them are
47:47
Speaker 1: pretty benign in the sense of some versions will say Jesus,
47:52
Speaker 1: other one sayable Jesus Christ. Then other might say the
47:54
Speaker 1: Lord Jesus Christ. So there's no theological problems. So theologically
48:00
Speaker 1: there's no issues there. But as I said earlier, all
48:04
Speaker 1: people have to do is read their New Testament. When
48:08
Speaker 1: the New Testament is quoting the Old Testament, and then
48:10
Speaker 1: go look and you'll see, wow, that's different. Again, look
48:15
Speaker 1: at Psalm twenty two, verse sixteen as a good example,
48:18
Speaker 1: and then you are you know again Hebrew seven and
48:22
Speaker 1: you go So this I mean as a Bible believer
48:25
Speaker 1: who I've read the Bible a lot, obviously, as a
48:27
Speaker 1: new Christian, I'm looking at this quote in my New
48:32
Speaker 1: Testament and I go to the Old Testament. I'm like,
48:36
Speaker 1: why is that different? Yeah, as a student, you then
48:42
Speaker 1: look and go, oh, oh, that's from the septuagen they're
48:46
Speaker 1: quoting the Greek version. But my in my Bible they're
48:50
Speaker 1: translating from the Hebrew and therefore, but the New Testament
48:54
Speaker 1: is quoting the Septuagin. So that's the question. When the
48:57
Speaker 1: New Testament is quoting the Greek septuagen version, and not
49:00
Speaker 1: the alleged Hebrew version. Which one's correct. Well, I'm going
49:05
Speaker 1: to go with what the New Testament quoted. Paul's quoting
49:09
Speaker 1: a very specific text, and I'm gonna say, well, so
49:14
Speaker 1: when I look at the Jewish Rabbinic version, it's a
49:17
Speaker 1: Rabbinic version people from nine hundred AD. That's very very late.
49:24
Speaker 1: So do I trust the Old Testament? Of course I do,
49:27
Speaker 1: But you've got to do your homework and look at
49:32
Speaker 1: which one. So it is reliable. It is in there.
49:35
Speaker 1: But this is the problem as a pastor I saw
49:37
Speaker 1: this at the time, is when you start getting into
49:39
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty Christians sometimes again, as a pastor, I
49:44
Speaker 1: would be reluctant to talk about this because oftentimes a
49:48
Speaker 1: Christian has a very superficial understanding unless they go deep.
49:53
Speaker 1: And then we love our safety barriers. We go, oh,
49:59
Speaker 1: I believe you'll ta and you go okay, And then
50:02
Speaker 1: and then you ask him, well which one you go?
50:06
Speaker 1: They go, what do you mean? And some of people
50:07
Speaker 1: don't even know. Well, all they're trusting is their English
50:11
Speaker 1: version that they have, but they don't realize the translators
50:14
Speaker 1: that did that, and that they got it from here.
50:18
Speaker 1: And again all I do was encourage people read the
50:20
Speaker 1: quotes from the New Testament and compare with the Old
50:22
Speaker 1: and you'll see there's a total difference. And now that's
50:24
Speaker 1: not fair, that's totally wrong. Not a total difference. You'll
50:27
Speaker 1: see there's some minor variations that show you they were
50:31
Speaker 1: not quoting the Hebrew.
50:34
Speaker 2: Is there is there any translations that have the traditional
50:40
Speaker 2: Old Testament that we have but has the original Genesis five,
50:45
Speaker 2: Genesis ten, Psalm twenty two and like all the Messianic
50:49
Speaker 2: passages that has contained both versions. Say that again, so
50:57
Speaker 2: a normal Old Testament? Right? We know that the big
51:00
Speaker 2: changes in the between the.
51:01
Speaker 1: Seven you're talking about like English?
51:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just general English translation, but has both the
51:08
Speaker 2: septuogen and the masoretic text mixed together? Is there a
51:11
Speaker 2: translation that.
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Speaker 1: Help what you're the Probably the best, the best English
51:18
Speaker 1: Old Testament is probably going to be the New English translation.
51:24
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because the New
51:27
Speaker 1: English translation has translator notes. So if you go to
51:34
Speaker 1: Psalm twenty two sixteen and you look at the note,
51:36
Speaker 1: it's gonna tell you everything I just said. And they
51:39
Speaker 1: they quoted it as they pierced my hands and feet,
51:43
Speaker 1: and the note they're gonna say, oh, the Hebrew says
51:46
Speaker 1: like a lion my hands and feet, but the Greek
51:49
Speaker 1: septuagent says they pierced my hands and feet. And this
51:51
Speaker 1: is consistent with the Deadsy scrolls in Hebrew, which matches
51:55
Speaker 1: with the septuagen against the Rabbinic text. So you will
52:00
Speaker 1: see that in the actual English, but you're gonna see
52:02
Speaker 1: it in the notes, and so that is extremely helpful
52:06
Speaker 1: when there is a minor variation like that. And for example,
52:10
Speaker 1: if you read the New King James or the ESV,
52:13
Speaker 1: and you read Psalm twenty two, it's actually the translators
52:19
Speaker 1: did they translated the whole Psalm from the Hebrew Rabbinic version,
52:24
Speaker 1: but in Psalm and verse sixteen they brought in the
52:28
Speaker 1: septuagen and they might they put a little note, the
52:33
Speaker 1: septuagen is this, So they they went out of their
52:37
Speaker 1: normal translation from the Hebrew Rabbinic version and brought in
52:41
Speaker 1: the other. So you'll see some of that, and the
52:44
Speaker 1: ESV is good at that, but the New English translation
52:47
Speaker 1: is the best. Because even the New King James, which
52:50
Speaker 1: is done in nineteen eighty two, so most of the
52:52
Speaker 1: Dead Sea Scrolls weren't available in nineteen eighty two. Even
52:54
Speaker 1: though they were discovered, they weren't publicly you know, publicized.
53:00
Speaker 1: But they still have the septugit. So the new King
53:02
Speaker 1: James will have a little note based on the septuagen this.
53:04
Speaker 1: So that's just one example. There's many others, but the
53:08
Speaker 1: net is probably the best for this. For this, again,
53:12
Speaker 1: it's deep right, it's telling you, hey, by the way,
53:16
Speaker 1: when you read like a lion my hands and feet,
53:18
Speaker 1: the word lion doesn't it doesn't appear anywhere. It doesn't
53:23
Speaker 1: make any sense about being half his hands and feet pierced.
53:27
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I am was the what
53:37
Speaker 2: was the question I was gonna ask you the septuagint
53:40
Speaker 2: was that? So it's basically the same translation as what
53:47
Speaker 2: we get from the Masoretic texts minus the genealogies, the
53:53
Speaker 2: two genealogies in Genesis five and Genesis ten, as well
53:57
Speaker 2: as the Messianic passages and point to Jesus, yes.
54:05
Speaker 1: And any of those other I'll give you another example,
54:11
Speaker 1: the any of the other passages that speak about the
54:17
Speaker 1: the divine council idea. For example, Deuteronomy thirty two, it
54:25
Speaker 1: says in the Mass the Rabbinic Hebrew that the nations
54:30
Speaker 1: were divided according to the sons of Israel. Well in
54:35
Speaker 1: the septuogen it says according to the sons of God
54:41
Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa, whoa, and so it's interesting. For example,
54:46
Speaker 1: again I would this is what I encourage people to do.
54:50
Speaker 1: Read Hebrews chapter one. Hebrews Chapter one quotes a lot
54:55
Speaker 1: of old tests and passages, especially as it relates to Jesus.
54:59
Speaker 1: And one of the the ones that it says, it
55:01
Speaker 1: says it says to all of the angels, you shall
55:06
Speaker 1: worship him and and the writer is attributing that to Jesus,
55:13
Speaker 1: and he quotes Deuteronomy. But if you go to the
55:18
Speaker 1: Hebrew version, it doesn't say that. It's it's the Hebrew
55:22
Speaker 1: Rabbinic version. So again, if you just open your Bible
55:25
Speaker 1: you're English, and you read and you go, oh, that's
55:28
Speaker 1: a quote for Judonomy thirty two, and you go back
55:30
Speaker 1: to Jermy thirty two. Yere here go oh that's wait
55:32
Speaker 1: a minute, that's not what it says. We're in the
55:34
Speaker 1: book of Hebrew where the writer to the Hebrews get
55:35
Speaker 1: that we're talked about worshiping him, worshiping the Sun. Let
55:40
Speaker 1: all the angels worship. That's amazing. Let all of the
55:43
Speaker 1: angels worship the Sun. We got no surprise. But see
55:48
Speaker 1: the rabbis, no, no, no, The only one that gets
55:51
Speaker 1: worship is hushb. So they modified that to something else.
55:58
Speaker 1: What's interesting is if you look at again the Dead
56:00
Speaker 1: Sea scrolls, you know it matches the septuagen So they
56:05
Speaker 1: are basically the same. But in these certain narratives when
56:09
Speaker 1: it relates to the idea of messy outoprophecy or the
56:12
Speaker 1: genealogies or the the the idea that there's that Jesus
56:19
Speaker 1: is more than just a man, and that in the
56:21
Speaker 1: Old Testament you have the Angel of the Lord. You
56:24
Speaker 1: have these two powers. That's really what it was called.
56:26
Speaker 1: They called the two powers. You have these two beings
56:28
Speaker 1: that seem to share. It was we sayy trinitarianism. The
56:33
Speaker 1: early early Jews believed in vinitarianism, you had two beings.
56:39
Speaker 1: The rabbis did not like that because it fit right
56:42
Speaker 1: into what Jesus was claiming, I and the Father are one.
56:45
Speaker 1: And so that's where you see the changes happening.
56:48
Speaker 2: What if they what is what's the attitude now that
56:50
Speaker 2: they have this the Dead Sea Scrolls and can compare
56:53
Speaker 2: the Old Testament to what they have today versus what
56:57
Speaker 2: the Septuagen says.
56:58
Speaker 1: What what you will find is that because of rabbinic Judaism,
57:04
Speaker 1: they do not give much credence to the Dead Sea scrolls. Really,
57:10
Speaker 1: and the Septuagin. What you'll see they in the first
57:14
Speaker 1: This is why these early Jews, the New Testament of
57:18
Speaker 1: Jews apostles, they would quote the Septuagent. It was standard.
57:23
Speaker 1: It was Jesus quoted. Sometimes when Jesus quotes something, he's
57:27
Speaker 1: not quoted the Hebrew. He's quoting the Septuagent, which is interesting.
57:32
Speaker 1: And of course the writer Matthews quoting Jesus, and so
57:37
Speaker 1: Matthew's using the septugent. So you see this often. But
57:41
Speaker 1: it wasn't see the Jews loved the Septuagen. They're the
57:45
Speaker 1: ones that did it. But when the early Jewish Church
57:50
Speaker 1: started using the Siptuagint to prove Messy in the Prophecy,
57:54
Speaker 1: they specifically deliberately rejected the Siptuagint, and that they went
58:00
Speaker 1: and had a quilla. There's a there's a the Adosian
58:04
Speaker 1: and Equila are these two other Greek manuscripts of the
58:07
Speaker 1: Old Testament. They wouldn't said we're getting rid of that version.
58:11
Speaker 1: We're going to create our own Greek version, in order
58:16
Speaker 1: to do to distance themselves from the Greek version that
58:19
Speaker 1: the early Jewish believers were using to prove Jesus as
58:24
Speaker 1: the Nosiah, which are most, not all, but most of
58:26
Speaker 1: the quotes in the New Testament. It's it's pretty fascinating, amazing. Again,
58:30
Speaker 1: most people don't understand this complete, huge thing. And so
58:34
Speaker 1: it's look, I trust the Bible trusts me. I do.
58:38
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to provide. Look, be careful because when
58:43
Speaker 1: I when I would go out as an apologist as
58:47
Speaker 1: a young person, I would talk to people and they
58:51
Speaker 1: would twist me in a pretzel because I would do
58:56
Speaker 1: Jewish evangelism and I would quote Psalm twenty two and
58:59
Speaker 1: they would open up, they'd say, that's not what my
59:01
Speaker 1: Bible says. And I'd be like, well, where'd this come from?
59:04
Speaker 1: And so then I ended up with money on my
59:06
Speaker 1: face because I was relatively ignorant of the full, the
59:13
Speaker 1: full field of Old Testament textual analysis.
59:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's I had one friend that was Jewish.
59:23
Speaker 2: I waitnessed to him for hours hours hours hours. We
59:28
Speaker 2: never got into that depth because he didn't know his Bible.
59:34
Speaker 2: But still, even still, man, he was just going off
59:36
Speaker 2: of history and look at the amount of baggage that
59:39
Speaker 2: the Church, you know, i e. The Roman Catholics and
59:43
Speaker 2: the Protestants did in persecuting the Jewish people from the
59:47
Speaker 2: Middle Ages on.
59:48
Speaker 1: So I agree it's bad. I'm not here to defend it,
59:55
Speaker 1: all right.
59:55
Speaker 2: Well, hey, thanks for coming on tonight.
59:58
Speaker 1: Man,