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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Alrighty. Welcome class. My name is Haven Joseph
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Lyon. I am the co CEO of Campaign Castaster,
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a high fantasy TTRPG podcast designed to
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introduce you to your fictional home away from home.
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and I'm super excited to be talking about ah,
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how to build your own class in D and D. That's one
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of my number one things that I've been invited to come here
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and talk about today. So I'm super excited to talk about this.
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>> Skylar: Yeah, we're super excited to have you, Skylar, here. Obviously,
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you guys know me so you don't have to. I don't need to give a whole
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explanation. But Haven, super excited to have you here
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to share with us so much awesome information about the idea of
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making your own D and D class like that.
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It's a lot of work. I mean it's a big
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undertaking. Right? There's so many different features
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and so many different like level progressions that you have to
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really work into and playtest, I'm sure. And we're going to
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get into a lot of that here ably in a moment. So.
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Awesome. So of course you already mentioned kind of
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what you do in the TTRPG space. Is there anything else
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you wanted to intro before we kind of jump in?
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Just so people understand who I am kind of in this
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space. I personally have been playing D
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and D for 15 years of my life. even though I'm pretty
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young, I dm'for 10
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of those years because that's one of my more of my passions
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with the craft itself. And I'm a big, big anime
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Superhero and, everything. Nerd.
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Same here. Exactly. Same here.
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>> Skylar: I am right there with you. Awesome. And
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then, and I know I mentioned this in the email I
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sent, but I kind of went snooping around and I noticed that you also,
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like, co authored a series of books too.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Y. I co authored the Gemini series. The first
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book is called the Gemini and the Treasure Codex. The second, the Gemini
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and the Ruby Spyglass. it's actually supposed to be a quintology.
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We have the other three completely, like, written, but we
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have. Haven't had time to, like, publish it and everything
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like that. So that's with my dad, Weston lion,
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as well as my stepmom, Jenny Butterfield. and we kind of
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did that during COVID and that was our little pet project. And
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then we, published it and everything because my dad owns a publishing
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company.
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>> Skylar: Oh, very cool. Okay. So that's so awesome.
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That's one of those things that, you know, you hear a lot of people talk about, like, oh, one of
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these days I'm gon toa write a book and I'll get it published.
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You actually did it, which is really cool to see.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Absolutely. It was one of my dreams. And I always wanted to
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make a fictional. Obviously, we're
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storytellers. I love storytelling. So that was one
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of the ways that we did it. We made a completely, steampunk
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pirate book series.
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>> Skylar: Nice.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
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>> Skylar: That is such a good combination.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, thanks.
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>> Skylar: We've been doing a little bit of steampunk stuff in our current D and D
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session that we're posting episodes on, but not pirates
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yet. Actually, I think what's coming next, I guess that's a little bit of a
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spoiler is pirate. So we'll see if we can intermix those two
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things.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, well, if you need insp. That have to.
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>> Skylar: Ye's. I was just gonna say, if I need inspiration, I'm going
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straight to the Gemini series.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Sounds perfect.
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>> Skylar: Fantastic. All right, so we're talking D and D
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class. Making your own. Now, I personally have
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never jumped into making my own D and D class. I've had
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ideas. I know, actually one of the guys in our group,
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Cameron, for his campaign, which is the pirate one that I was mentioning,
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he's working on, kind of pushing some ideas
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around and playte testing a little bit with something that he's working on as far
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as the homebrew class. So, but with that being said,
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obviously you actually successfully did it.
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What sparked your initial idea? What kind of made you think to
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yourself, I want to make like what currently
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exists isn't what I want to do. I want to make my own.
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what kind of drew that course for you.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah. So I first want to say that it wasn't just
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me. It was actually me and my, co owner
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of Campaign Castaster, Nick Bailey. He's my
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roommate. he's currently out at Drill because he
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is doing his own sort of stuff out there. m. And he's
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gone for the next three months, but so I'm the only half that gets to
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be here. so Nick,
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and I have been roommates actually for the past, o. Geez, like
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four years, I think. and we wanted to create
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this podcast. And therefore the podcast actually kind
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of formed due to a failure of a podcast. And
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then we got into okay, how do we make this
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world? That sort of stuff. And I know you've talked about world building,
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but the thing really that really like brought it
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together for us was we wanted a class that
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could, I'm a big improv fan, personally. I grew
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up with improv comedy and everything like that. That was. I
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started in middle school. That was my own whole thing. And Nick and
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I were talking and we wanted a system that wasn't
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like looking at spellcasting and things like that.
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There is written things and you have to stay
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within the confines of certain rules, which is understandable. Every game
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needs something like that to run and to
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actually work. Right, Right. but
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what we saw a lot of the time was D and
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D. Unless you have people like at our table that are
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like super into role playinging and like getting out of their
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shells, it's really hard to
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not be confined by those rules.
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>> Skylar: Yeah.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: so we wanted to create a class that could improvise
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with the player and their creativity at the same time.
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and that therefore created the
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runeecaster. N. This thing, this
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class that could change based off of
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how the person that was owning it wanted to change
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it. With things such as prepared runes, like
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normal spells, where you have them written out and they tell you exactly how to
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do it in case you can't function without those rules.
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But also with its own improvised rune
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system where we give you a detailed layout of.
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Hey, you just need these three things as long as you stay
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within these confines and your DM is okay with it.
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It functions. and it's something that will transform as
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you want it to transform.
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>> Skylar: Interesting. Okay.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
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>> Skylar: So it's sort of got, an ever
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changing element to it.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes. And that's the whole goal. It's so that every time you
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play, it's never the same. It has the same
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general rul. Basics. But you can
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build upon that to make it your own and more
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unique.
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>> Skylar: Which is always kind of the key thing. Right. We always want to have,
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like a really unique character.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
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>> Skylar: And so to have a class that can match that energy is super cool.
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Thank you. If. If you had to
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summarize the runececaster and like, the concept
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behind it within like a couple sentences or a
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paragraph, what would you. How would you define what it
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kind of the features and what it does and how it works.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah. Okay, so, and I think we're going
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to talk about this at some point. Picture the
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anime full male alchemist. How they're able to
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take all of these things, the world around them,
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and interact with it and allow mu. M.
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Magic itself to flow through the
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world and not the person. There's always a
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payoff that has to be made with those sort of things.
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and my roommate Nick took a lot of inspiration from the
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Owl House, which is a phenomenal cartoon. And I actually watched it just for this
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interview. so I could speak from his
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perspective on that.
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>> Skylar: Awesome.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: and in that show especially, they even
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show, written sigils and symbols that they
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use to activate magic around the world. Rather than
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somebody sitting down creating
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incantations with words, they rather draw
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it in two different symbols that then come to life
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upon pressing it in that showk. but it's
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taking those two sort of concepts of something that's
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taking from the world itself and writing things
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down on pieces of paper or just
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onto objects to automatically cast
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spells or in this case, runues. just on the fly
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in. In something that allows you
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to continually move and continually not
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be stuck due to a rolelacement.
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>> Skylar: Right, right. And like, sitting there thinking like, well,
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you know, here's the spells that I have.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
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>> Skylar: Nothing here is really, like, quite fit for this situation.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
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>> Skylar: And this kind of dodges that idea that anything
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can be made on the spot, on the fly, like you
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said. for any given situation.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. And like, even. Even once you've
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already created an improvised rune, we've kind of
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have it in our rules that once you've said an
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improvised rune, you can then make it a prepared one.
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So like one of the ones that's written out. So then afterward,
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if you want to use that same ability, you can sit down with your DM and look
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over the rules and actually make it a prepared one
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instead of having to come up with it. On the fly, every single
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time.
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>> Skylar: Got it, got it. Because again, I mean,
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the way that it works is so, like, vast
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and so, never the same, I guess you could say.
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Right. So then the idea that, like, I want to go to my DM
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afterwards, and he's like, hey, what you just cast back there, that was
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really cool. And you're like, yeah, absolutely, I want to do that more
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often.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. And it allows for the player and the DM
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to find a way to make something that's balanced.
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If something was like, oh, this is a rule of cool moment. You can
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totally do that, but in the future, you're not doing that ever
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again. Like, like stuff like that.
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>> Skylar: Yep, exactly. Exactly. Awesome. So,
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in addition to sort of this idea of casting
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on the fly and creating these customized spells, you
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also talked about how there was some new, like, element
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and damage types in the class. What kind
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of stuff went into that? Or, what. What would
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we see if we looked at the runecaster class?
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, actually, I'm pulling it up right here just so I tell you
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the exact elements.
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>> Skylar: Exactly. Right.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: so actually, I have. My understanding is you
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guys actually did a legend.
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I almost said legend of Advantress, last
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Airbender. Yeah, yeah.
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>> Skylar: Avatar legends.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, exactly. so we kind of like all
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of. There's so many shows that tap into, like, the natural
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elements, such as fire, water, earth, air,
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lightning, thunder, that sort of stuff. And we have a couple of those
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in D and D already. But the things we personally felt like
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we were missing is things like shadow. Something that's not,
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necrotic, but, like, has the ability to
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darken areas, slip into shadow. The Shadowple conjure
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beings. We think shadow is more of a conjuration
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thing. very much ether, the ability to
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manipulate space of objects and beings.
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vitality, the ability heal and cure disease
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personally. Something that's never sat right with me, in D and
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D. And I love D and D. I stand by it. so don't think
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of'a hater. but, ah,
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traditionally, healing word and curirbunns are
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evocation spells, Element
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spells. But what element do they fall under? I mean,
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like, life is a thing, but that's not really an element, if
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you really think about it. It's an amalgamation of a bunch of these different
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things. So he created vitality, this thing that has its
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own natural essence.
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>> Skylar: it's like life force in a sense.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
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>> Skylar: Okay, very cool.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: yeah, so we have those that. I think those are
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a couple of the ones we added Earth is another one.
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the ability to restrain or fortify natural
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substances in creatures. because bludgeoning is a thing.
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Yeah. But it didn't feel right that
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Earth was only brought down
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into just bludgeoning because I feel like it could do so much more than
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that.
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>> Skylar: Absolutely.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: and that also gives our players flare
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abilities to be like, hey, like instead
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of it becoming like a wall or like a big ass hammer
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that slams down on you, it now can be Earth
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that juts up through the ground and sticks
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up into a creature. Like that's. And it's
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not piercing, but it's Earth damage.
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>> Skylar: Right, right.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And you can swing it flavor wise
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them.
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>> Skylar: Yeah, absolutely. It doesn't. It's not limited to whatever
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the damage type would theoretically be, depending on
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the form that it takes.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
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>> Skylar: It's its own thing so that you can do anything with
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it.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
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>> Skylar: Which is really cool. And I like that you mentioned the Avatar
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last Airbender, because I can definitely picture that. And it's sort of
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that exact concept that, you know, they're out there using
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their earthbending to build houses or to grab
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somebody's feet, you know, from the ground or
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just a hundred different other things. And so yeah, it doesn't
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really make sense to just limit that to
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the already predefined sort of physical damage types
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of D and D. Exactly. That makes a lot of sense.
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Okay, very cool. And just to clarify, you
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have. Was it one player, I think currently
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in your guys stuff that's playing.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes, currently we have we made
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a separate race for this player. they're a
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spriggan, which is taken from Norse mythology and that.
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So pretty much just like a tree and person. But they're very tiny.
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They're like three foot.
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>> Skylar: Very, sort of like little teenage groups.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. We took a. But like we like
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to take a lot of inspiration from a bunch of different media.
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>> Skylar: Oh absolutely.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And our player Sophia, she plays like in this
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character. and she even flavors all of her
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runes to be based off of being
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a tree person. So like there's She has
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SAP portal which is kind of similar to Misty
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Step in a sense, but it creates a portal of SAP on the
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ground that she then goes through and pops out of another
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portal on the other side and is like actually covered and
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resin and stuff like that. She has this
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I can't remember the exact name for it, but it's basically called
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like Brain Rot, where I think it's called
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Brainstem, where basically she shoots a root into the
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ground and the root pops up and hits into the back
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of the brain of a creature and they have to
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make a save. And if they fail, they're like, stunned in
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certain ways where they can't use all their abilities because their
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brain'trying to re function itself out of this.
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Like my conid sort of
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mushroom disease.
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>> Skylar: Ooh, That's.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: It's kind of gritty. Yeah, yeah.
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>> Skylar: Dark.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Cool.
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>> Skylar: But that's cool. It's. And it opens up that creative
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opportunity. So it's not just I cast Eldritch
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Blast every turn. It's. I'm casting all these different, like,
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crazy things you've never heard of before.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
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>> Skylar: Or things that maybe you've, like, you get it, you get where it comes
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from. But again, like you had said, it's flavor differently.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes. And it. Or it's something you see in a TV show and you're like,
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I've always wanted to do that with a character. How do I do that?
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>> Skylar: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Boom.
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>> Skylar: There's a, bloodbend.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
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>> Skylar: Awesome. So let's look at the process then.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: All right. Yeah.
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>> Skylar: So we. You're creating a new, class
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massive undertaking. What was kind of like the step by
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step process that you went through with the runececaster to kind of
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bring it to life?
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: That is a phenomenal question.
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>> Skylar: yeah. Where do you even start?
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Ah, yeah, that is. That. That itself is a great question.
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So, generally, we start, like I
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said before, we started with, these different
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shows that we had these ideas from. We wanted to create this ever
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evolving system. So then how do we do that?
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Well, of course we have to make something similar to
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what people know so that they're not completely thrown
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out of their subconscious, concept of
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what D and D is. Right. So then we started looking
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at things like fighters and warlocks and wizards and
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okay, what levels are they getting new,
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new new features and
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abilities with? So we created these things called runic
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practition features, which is just a
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jargony word to say. It's basically the same thing of everyone
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gets something as you level up at these different things.
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>> Skylar: Right.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So for us, we went like third level, sixth level, 10th level,
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it's so on and so forth. then we
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were like, okay, runes need to be different than spells,
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but we don't need, like, we don't want them to be so
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different that you can't grasp your head around it.
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So with spell levels, they have nine spell levels.
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We then created a tier system of
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runes rather than level system. This
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is only six tiers versus the nine
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tiers. And basically we created an
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equivalent, being that,
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first and second level spells were equal to a
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first tier rune,
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then third and fourth, second tier, so on and so
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forth.
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>> Skylar: kind of condensing it all down.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. So that way you still have the ability
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to be super powerful in these different rites. But, like, it's
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not. You're not so focused on, like, oh, it's a ninth level spell.
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I only have this much. And instead of it being spell
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slots, it's very similar, but we call it runic
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mana points, which you then
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get a certain amount per
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tier level that you can then use that go
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into either using a prepare rune or using an
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improvised rune. I'm sure we'll have
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plenty of time to talk about how this gets tricky and
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everything like that.
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>> Skylar: but every new class is a learning experience is.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. And we wanted something similar to
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that of Cantrips. But. But how do you make
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that without creating, like, a cost to it and making
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it familiar? Right, sure. so we created
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sigils, which. Which are these new elements that
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we're talking about. We have 16 different elements from fire, water, earth,
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air, all that sort of jam. and
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each roomcaster only
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starts with three.
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You only get three.
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>> Skylar: Three of these elements.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. and that was just so that people
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had to be selective. And it makes a character,
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grow over time. Because you can have a
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minimum of three to start. well, maximum of three to
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start. And then by the end, at, like,
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20th level, you have seven sigils
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available that you get to choose from.
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>> Skylar: Got it. Okay, so you're not getting all of them. Because, I mean,
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that would kind of throw off the idea of a character anyways. Like,
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it doesn't feel special if you just have access to everything.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. So your character has to have some things that
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they're specializing in. and then obviously, as
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they get older and as they get more experience, they experience more
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magic. And therefore we created that
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ability to get grander ideas and
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bigger options as a player.
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>> Skylar: Absolutely.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: as your character. As your character progresses as well.
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then we decided, okay,
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now that we have all of that general
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idea, how are we even gonna create, like,
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runes? Like, how do you create its own whole
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magic system? that's a really
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tough thing to do. And Nick and I figured that out really,
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really fast, in terms of, oh, my God, this is a
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lot. so we really focused then
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ono the subclasses. The subclasses then
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became this thing of,
19:14
okay, what's something that we would like to see. We
19:16
created four subclasses. We created the E Liz something that's like a
19:20
Hexlade warrior, but instead of taking Hexb Blade
19:23
just and res skinning it. We,
19:25
Nick and I love anime. As we said before, huge
19:28
Juu Jitsu Kaiseen fans. So we created a subclass that
19:31
was basically like, okay, how do we create a class
19:34
that can cast magic while keeping
19:37
people, like close to them and
19:40
having these runes that allows them
19:43
to be a combatant, to
19:46
be trifled with. So they basically have this ability
19:48
to create domain expansions. That's not what we call them or anything like
19:51
that. But we took inspiration from that, where it creates a
19:54
domain of your own that keeps a creature within
19:57
like 30ft of you and they can't escape it. and you get
20:00
like improved criticals and stuff like that. We have the
20:03
Kanji, which is, creating,
20:05
having extra runes on the fly
20:08
at your disposal. Similar to that of like, Gambit being able
20:11
to throw cards and like, attach them to different
20:14
people and affect people. The, across the playing
20:17
field. nice things like, the
20:20
Wiccan. it'basically like our
20:22
version of a Druid, where they pull on what
20:25
we call the beast Jels. Their power. The beast Jels in
20:28
our world Cerulin, and on the continent
20:31
consonant of Venalor. we have around
20:33
like 12ish of these creatures. And their
20:36
whole kind of role in our world is they
20:39
are physical manifestations
20:42
of the power of each
20:45
individual biome, if that makes sense. Okay, so for
20:48
the desert, there's a big. There's a big u,
20:51
desert lizard called Aathon, which is a
20:54
huge desert, lizard that actually is
20:57
made of yellow energy and looks like a,
21:00
thorn Thorny dragon, I believe is what
21:03
it's called.
21:03
>> Skylar: Oh, yeah, yeah.
21:04
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oay. So we have stuff like that. We have Haldor, which is
21:07
this, cragged goat that is made
21:10
of actual stone that, is found within the
21:13
mountains itself. Tenko, this golden
21:15
fox that runs through the forests.
21:18
Stuff like that.
21:20
>> Skylar: Gotcha.
21:20
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And then we created one last one which
21:23
is called the Incantemic. the
21:26
Incantim make is basically this idea of there's always
21:29
that dark magic, that dark
21:32
sense that like, everyone's like, oh, don't ever touch that. So
21:34
we created something that is that
21:37
which they take the runes and they
21:40
scrawl them into their skin with like,
21:43
blades and stuff like that.
21:45
>> Skylar: Dang.
21:46
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oay. And at a cost of it potentially
21:48
harming Them in the future, they have abilities
21:51
where they can, like, they can siphon blood
21:54
from other people. And it gives them, more
21:57
mona points to actually cast spells. okay.
22:00
And in their own right. And runes. and they also
22:03
have things like our gut feeling, which is at 14th
22:06
level, where basically a creature has to
22:09
make a constitution saving throw, or they suffer,
22:12
exhaustion levels. But in order to do
22:15
that, the incantemic has to expend health
22:18
points. and we have an entire system that lays it out
22:21
for the player there.
22:22
>> Skylar: Kind of going off of the anime inspiration kind of reminds me
22:25
a little bit of Deadman Wonderland, where they have.
22:28
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, okay.
22:29
>> Skylar: They have, like, the blood powers and they can, like, turn them
22:32
into weapons, but it hurts them.
22:33
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. So, like, that was kind of the gist. We see
22:36
those all the time in popular fiction. So we
22:39
were like, how do we make that in this sort of setting? And
22:42
there you have it.
22:42
>> Skylar: Yes, absolutely. That's awesome. That's so awesome.
22:45
And my mind went right to it too. So it's like, this is
22:48
all stuff that's gonna, like, people can pick this, up ideally,
22:51
like, if they get the source material, they'll be like, okay, this
22:54
totally makes sense.
22:55
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. And it's very much written, so
22:58
that's understood. We have had plenty of playte tests and
23:01
have really tried to refine the wordage
23:04
kind of going on here.
23:06
>> Skylar: Absolutely, absolutely.
23:08
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: But, yeah, so we started with those subclasses, and then we
23:10
went into, We went into creating
23:13
the runes themselves. So we have to get
23:16
to, like, okay, how do you actually do this? so
23:19
we created a bunch of different,
23:21
charts that show you exactly how to do it. We have three
23:24
different types, three different,
23:26
like, subscriptures
23:30
within runeecasting itself. You do not
23:32
need to actually understand, like, how to read and
23:35
write these different subscriptures. It's just a flavor
23:38
thing, just for those of people at home who are like, oh, my God, I
23:41
can't even wrap my head around that. basically we
23:44
boiled it down into three things. the
23:47
overall thing is called Kelton, which is just the language of
23:50
runes. and we have things like Callan,
23:53
which is the schools of magic. So you can just identify,
23:56
okay, abjuration. I want something that focuses on projecting
23:59
people, conjuration, summoning things forth, so on and so
24:01
forth. Zebin, which is the sigils, which are
24:04
your elements. Okay, so, like, let's say I want to
24:07
use abjuration. Okay, I'm doing something to protect
24:10
someone. Then let's say I'm using Zebin
24:13
S my sigils. Let's say I use an
24:15
Earth sigil. Okay? So that's something that
24:18
innately has the ability to protect people, to
24:21
fortify people with abjuration. That's right in the same
24:24
line. Then you have.
24:27
Let me make sure I have this here. Then you have,
24:30
Venificum, or venicium. It just
24:33
depends on how you want to pronounce it. But
24:36
this is the words of power. And we
24:38
created our own whole chart and it's
24:41
super laid out. It shows you per tier level.
24:44
We have words like amplify,
24:46
conjure, heal, that sort of stuff. And for
24:49
each tier level it tells you, hey, these are the words that
24:52
you can use, right? So yeah. So
24:55
for example, one of the words is
24:58
protect. Okay. So if I'm
25:01
using Ven, benefesium or Ven Beneficum
25:04
as my word of power protect, I
25:06
then use Zebin as my
25:09
sigil Earth. Then I use Callan Schools of
25:12
magic being abjuration. Now I
25:15
can basically say, oh, I want to create
25:18
a wall of earth around myself or a wall of
25:21
earth around my friends to maybe
25:24
try and take off some damage. Maybe it gives them
25:26
advantage, against a dexterity saving throw.
25:29
Maybe it gives them 2ac to. To an
25:32
attack only for that round. Or maybe it's a one minute
25:35
thing that you then just place on
25:38
someone and now they have like something similar to like
25:41
mage armor, where now they have armor across them and
25:43
it's this actual bits and pieces of earth that are
25:46
forming and circulating around them to take the hit.
25:48
>> Skylar: Ab.
25:49
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: There's plenty of ways that you can reason with your DM as
25:52
long as it's within the general idea
25:55
of that. Another example, like let's get
25:58
into something damage based. So schools of
26:01
magic. I'm just gonna choose Evocation, because that's normally
26:04
something that attacks. Right. then
26:07
I. So like for each one of the
26:09
elements, we detail what they're capable of
26:12
doing. For example, fire. It has the ability to
26:15
ignite any flammable objects. Like
26:18
that's just. That makes sense. Yep. water. It has the
26:21
ability to create illusions and
26:24
cover. So like fog, cloud. How that creates
26:27
like illusions and stuff like that, that's its innate
26:30
purpose. But I could do something like
26:32
lightning, the ability to stun and magnetize
26:35
objects. Right. So okay, let's say I
26:38
use the school of Magic Evocation
26:41
Sigil being our element Lightning. And
26:44
then let's use Word of Power. Word of
26:47
power I'm looking at right now is
26:51
Strike Super Easy one. Right. So basically
26:53
I create a small little jolt of damage. But now
26:56
you may be wondering Haven. Okay, I understand
26:59
that. But how do you actually deal damage with
27:02
the system?
27:03
>> Skylar: Right, that's fair. Yeah.
27:04
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So we created a. A.
27:08
We have plenty of charts for people to very clearly see
27:10
it. but we had this chart that says damage die increasing
27:13
through tier level. So each
27:16
element has a different level of
27:19
dice at different tier levels. And that always stays
27:22
the same for that tier level
27:25
in that element. For example, if we're talking about lightning,
27:28
Lightning's natural dye type is a
27:30
D8. So at first tier
27:33
level, Lightning gets two
27:35
D8. So let's say I'm just like.
27:38
It's not the lightning bolt spell, but I'm just choos it like. Let's say I
27:41
say sparky hands and you just release
27:44
forward a rune that has all of these stipulations with
27:47
it. If you're casting it at a first tier level,
27:50
you're going to do 2D8.
27:52
>> Skylar: Got it.
27:52
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Let's say you instead of doing lightning, want to
27:55
use psychic. Psychic has a
27:58
die type of D4
28:01
but instead of it being 2D8 because you're not using the
28:04
D8s, it's 3D4 at a
28:07
first tier level. Now let's say you're tearing up.
28:10
Looking back at lightning, you start at 2D8. At
28:13
first tier, second tier, you go to 3D8, third
28:16
tier, four, fourth tier, five, so on and so
28:18
forth. And each one of them tends to go up the
28:21
D4 types. So something like psychic,
28:24
it goes from 3 D4 at first tier
28:27
to 5 D4, so on and so forth. And it typically
28:30
goes up by two. Got it. U. So that way
28:33
it's something that's comparable but
28:36
also is like it has smaller ability
28:39
of damage because something like
28:42
Force and psychic, they're gonna be
28:44
more for not damage based things like
28:47
they can be, but they're not as
28:50
powerful as something let As let's say
28:53
Earth, Ether or Necrotic are. Earth,
28:56
Ether and Necrotic. They're. I mean so like
28:59
that's Space, Death and Earth
29:01
itself. Those are powerful sigils
29:04
themselves and elements themselves. So those get
29:07
D12s.
29:08
>> Skylar: Gotcha. okay.
29:09
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: However, now we
29:12
have an issue of like now this gets into.
29:15
Okay, as a player, when you are taking
29:18
your sigils, are you choosing the damage
29:20
based runes like the
29:23
sigils, these elements that only deal damage, or are
29:26
you taking the ones that are more malleable and
29:29
more versatile and don't deal as much Damage, but give you
29:32
more benefits of things like illusions of things like
29:35
Ohk. You see what I mean? So, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We
29:38
have. So right now, I believe, Lichcen takes
29:41
vitality. So that's a D6. So that's our
29:44
healing. She also takes poison, which is a
29:47
D6, and she takes necrotic, which is a
29:49
D12. So she. She has a
29:52
sigil that deals a lot of damage. And then
29:55
she has two sigils, One that's used for healing and one
29:58
that's used for beguiling people. Like,
30:01
so in this. In this circumstance, poison, let's say she has.
30:04
It has the ability, the ability to incur sickness
30:07
and an exhaustionm. So like with that
30:09
brainstem thing we're talking about, that's completely created by Sophia
30:12
herself, she took those different things
30:15
and was like, okay, bam, done. I want something
30:18
that can give me poison abilities. I want something that can let me heal
30:21
people and I want something that can deal damage
30:24
over time.
30:25
>> Skylar: Right.
30:26
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So she chose Nerotic, so on and so forth.
30:29
>> Skylar: Very cool. Okay.
30:30
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
30:31
>> Skylar: Because the words that are going to be associated with each one of these
30:33
elements are going to open up the door to a lot of different abilities
30:37
that might not just be damaged. You know, you need all those utility
30:39
spells. Exactly. And so.
30:42
Yeah, okay, I totally see what you're saying. Some of the elements, lean
30:45
a little bit more towards pretty
30:48
explicitly damaged. Some lean a little bit more towards pretty
30:51
explit. The D4 ones.
30:52
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
30:52
>> Skylar: do they do damage? But they also have a lot more
30:55
vesatility.
30:56
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So it just depends on what you want them to actually be able
30:59
to do in your game. Very cool. That's just
31:02
it. It's a malleable system for everyone to talk about and
31:05
agree upon and be like, wait, is that the rules? Let's just
31:07
quickly check that chart. Done. You don't need to think about it
31:10
further, Right?
31:11
>> Skylar: Exactly. Absolutely, absolutely. And the numbers are all
31:14
there. It's pretty straightforward. So if you are doing something
31:17
with damage, boom, there's the chart. What level are you
31:19
casting it at? There you exactly set.
31:22
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
31:22
>> Skylar: Very cool. And then everything else is kind of a sort of
31:25
a conversation with the dm.
31:27
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Right.
31:27
>> Skylar: Like, this is kind of what I'm going for. Would this
31:29
be something that's accessible?
31:31
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
31:32
>> Skylar: And then the DM would say, yeah, absolutely. I think that fits.
31:34
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And that's. That's like one of my favorite parts personally, is
31:37
like the Runeecaster can be. It is a phenomenal
31:40
class, but it can be an overpowered class.
31:43
Your DM is a yes man'like.
31:46
If your DMs like yeah, that sounds awesome. You automatically
31:49
kill the boss. Like, like, yeah, that
31:52
becomes Overel exact.
31:54
>> Skylar: Oh yeah. That basically works the same as a wish spell. So yeah, go
31:57
for it.
31:57
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes. But like it also allows for people who are more
32:00
like rules lawre lawyry as DMs to be like,
32:03
okay, like yes, that is within the confines,
32:06
but that dive value is actually wrong here. This is why.
32:09
Or like that element actually can't do
32:12
that specific thing. okay, here's what it can do
32:14
instead.
32:15
>> Skylar: Right.
32:16
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: But okay, very cool. And we. I will
32:19
say not to overcomplicate things. I know there's
32:22
a lot of information for our viewers and everything going on. The only
32:25
thing I will say is like we even added things such as Sigil
32:27
swaps, meaning you can change out elements between
32:30
prepared runes to have more ability.
32:33
But there's also some prepared runes that don't
32:36
have that ability. So like let's say there's one that's
32:39
specifically Earth.
32:41
>> Skylar: Okay.
32:41
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Only is used by Earth. But
32:44
there could be some that are like Force,
32:47
Earth and Radiance. And you can switch those out and
32:50
you flavor it based on that element.
32:53
>> Skylar: Oh, okay, that makes sense. So like instead of a giant rock shooting
32:56
out of the ground, you might switch it to
32:58
maybe switch it to lightning. That seems kind
33:01
of crazy, but we'll just go with it. And it's a
33:04
beam of lightning shooting down or a giant bolt of.
33:07
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: That is a great example. Exactly. Okay.
33:09
>> Skylar: Perfect. Yes. Okay, that makes sense.
33:11
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, it's. It's all. It's all up in here. What you
33:13
can create with your mind and what your DM is okay with you
33:16
doing.
33:17
>> Skylar: Yes, absolutely. And then again, the numbers are
33:20
there for when those kind of situations ar.
33:22
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
33:23
>> Skylar: Very, very, very cool. That is
33:26
an awesome class. And I again love the
33:29
diversity of it. Love the ability to do
33:32
so many things. Like basically, however, you can
33:35
string some words together that fit with what
33:37
you'what. you've taken so far are the elements that you've claimed and so
33:40
on and so forth. Like you could do just about anything.
33:42
>> Skylar: Which is really cool. So again, obviously with within the
33:45
confines or whateverm is willing to
33:48
allow. But that's pretty normal for D and D.
33:51
Yes, exactly. Awesome. Very cool.
33:54
Okay, so we walked through like sort of
33:57
what the class is, the steps that you guys took in order to kind
33:59
of get to a fully functioning class.
34:02
What was playte testing like? Like did you guys
34:06
have to run A bunch of different scenarios or kind of. How do you do
34:09
that? Like, how do you playte test? a TTRPG
34:11
homebrew class.
34:12
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah. Like, Like, I mean, like anyone who's starting, we had no a
34:15
clue. We were like, okay, what is. What is the right way
34:18
to start this? What is the things that we actually
34:20
cover. and we
34:23
actually had, I think, about four to
34:26
five different play tests of this. I DM'd
34:29
once, then my CO.
34:31
DM, Nick DM'twice
34:34
I believe. And I think we both DM twice.
34:37
The first time I did it, we had one
34:40
person trying it out in a one shot that we
34:43
did. And each playtest was only a one shot.
34:46
It was just us, testing these things out. and that was
34:49
fine. The person that was there did a
34:51
e. A war forged e. Liz, who had this
34:54
ability to keep people in, like,
34:57
tethered to them in general areas. that first
35:00
time actually was pretty, pretty easy. We started at fifth
35:03
level, and it was something that was controllable. It was
35:06
in an environment where I was DMing, so I knew
35:09
all the different die types and everything like that. So
35:11
it was super easy for that player to be like, hey, this is what I'm thinking
35:14
of doing. is this something that I can do within these realms? And
35:17
I'm like, I look at the charts. Bada baning, bada boom. You're done. Go
35:20
for it, Go for it.
35:22
>> Skylar: Awesome.
35:22
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And that actually, our playtest was pretty smooth sailing on
35:25
the first bit. but before we even actually got to
35:28
playtesting, we had a lot of people. Nick and I
35:31
were in college when we were making this.
35:33
and we actually had a bunch of English major friends where
35:36
we actually had them sit down and read through the
35:39
whole thing, a bunch of times to make sure that the
35:42
wording made sense and that it actually made sense to
35:45
a player. Understanding.
35:47
>> Skylar: Okay, very cool.
35:48
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So it wasn't just us being like, yeah, it's a cool thing,
35:52
like, and.
35:52
>> Skylar: Then having to explain it, because otherwise it's like, almost
35:55
impossible to sort of exactly get the. Get the rundown
35:58
for it for a new. A new person. New to the run caast.
36:01
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
36:02
>> Skylar: gotcha.
36:02
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So. So we had that as our
36:05
general basis. Then we went to the second playthrough. The
36:08
second playthrough. Nick let it. and we had, I
36:11
think two of us were runecasters.
36:14
>> Skylar: Very cool.
36:15
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: One of our players was an incantam. And one of our
36:18
players was a. I want to say
36:21
kanji. They had the ability to have these extra
36:23
runes at the ready, on their person.
36:26
And this was an interesting
36:28
game because there is a
36:31
rune that basically allows you to create an
36:34
illusionary wall. So like let's say you're running
36:37
in the heat of battle. Ah, like. Or you're trying to
36:40
escape from like someone in a chase scene and
36:43
you run to a dead end and you turn around and you
36:46
cast this rune. And this rune basically
36:49
creates a wall that looks like it's been there the whole time. So
36:52
like you're hiding behind the wall and you can see through
36:55
it but the other person cannot.
36:58
>> Skylar: Like a two sided or what one sided mirror. Mirror
37:00
thing.
37:01
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, yeeah, exactly. Yeah. Two sided mirror. That's what it is.
37:04
Ok. And like that was kind.
37:07
We're getting lost in that terminology.
37:08
>> Skylar: I know, it's like one of those mirrors like you
37:11
see on cop shows when theyact.
37:13
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, exactly. And so it was actually really interesting
37:16
because we were in this war forge
37:19
schemunk world where we were trying to go in and
37:22
assassinate this official. And this official was on
37:25
the other side of this wall. And if we were to walk in through the
37:28
door, there were like a bunch of guards waiting for us to walk
37:31
in. So we didn't want to walk in through there. So our
37:33
incantimic was on the ready while the
37:36
while we had our other runeecaster,
37:39
the kanji create this illusionary
37:42
wall on the wall
37:44
itself.
37:46
>> Skylar: Interesting.
37:47
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Okay, so basically what happened was the wall
37:50
still looked the same but we could look through
37:53
one side while the other side couldn't
37:56
see that there was a rune going on.
37:58
>> Skylar: Very cool.
37:58
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Ok. And it just so happened that our
38:01
incantina had that ability to. I think we
38:04
were at like 14th level. and they were able
38:07
to use the gut feeling that I talked about
38:09
before where basically it is based off of
38:12
basically how we have it is you have to target a
38:15
creature that you can see for this
38:18
to happen. And basically what you do is you concentrate on the creature's
38:20
internal temperature and you make it rise so they start to
38:23
become sick and exhausted. and
38:26
because we created this wall, we could see through
38:29
this. This political official was sitting on
38:32
his like own throne and we had.
38:34
And this person literally blow
38:37
through their. Like they had
38:40
so much health and we had people who were healing them
38:43
enough that they could get rid of all
38:46
of their health and
38:48
kill this person in one go. Because they
38:51
had six levels of exhaustion in
38:54
one go. By expending. Because it takes
38:57
25 points of necrotic damage
39:00
to the Person casting that.
39:02
Oh, level of exhaustion.
39:04
>> Skylar: Right?
39:05
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes, Y. And that was upped because that used to actually
39:07
be lower. And this is why we had to up
39:10
this because that person literally killed
39:13
that person with that. Like, we
39:16
were done. We were done with the one shot in I think two
39:19
hours. Because we got to that wall and
39:22
it just annihilated this guy.
39:25
>> Skylar: Right, Right.
39:25
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And like, we were like, holy shit, we need to fix
39:28
something.
39:29
>> Skylar: This is an op combination here. One guy
39:32
heals, the other guyly slowly
39:35
sucks out the life of the enemy.
39:37
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. So like, that was a huge moment for us where we're
39:40
like, w. Oh my God. Did we create something overpowered? And
39:43
yes, we did in that circumstance. But it just took
39:46
small adjustments of tweaking it to like, okay, what
39:49
level? Are you truly getting this? Because I think gut feeling
39:52
originally was at 10th level and we switched
39:55
them and we were like, okay, at 14th level this makes a lot more
39:57
sense. And like, so as an
40:00
example, we have here we have like an 18th level.
40:03
Inantemic Runeecaster wishes to inflict all six
40:06
levels of exhaustion on a creature. They must declare
40:08
it no beforehand.
40:11
So if it fails, Orurx succeeds. So like, they
40:14
still will lose 150 points
40:17
of necrotic damage against themselves
40:20
even if the person succeeds.
40:22
>> Skylar: Right.
40:23
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Like, so that's a. That's a huge thing. Like, are you willing to take
40:26
the 150 points of health away from
40:28
yourself and maybe auto die?
40:31
>> Skylar: You might just die? Yeah, absolutely.
40:32
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: For that creature to fail on the
40:35
save like and die themselves or succeed and not
40:38
be affected in the slightest.
40:40
>> Skylar: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
40:42
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh my God. Wow. It was a lot of that.
40:44
We actually did not have to adjust. A lot going on
40:47
with the Kanji Wiccan, or our ear
40:50
Liz. Those seem to be rather, And we figured that out
40:53
through our two other ones. We had one where we did
40:56
20th level. A 20th level one shot.
40:59
Everyone multi classassed into
41:02
Runececaster in another CA class so we could see how
41:05
people could interesting abuse that and
41:08
how crazy it could get. and so that actually
41:11
didn't become overpowered, but it became
41:13
very fascinating from a player's perspective. I was actually a player
41:16
in that. and Nick dm'it and I.
41:20
I did a multi class of ten
41:23
level. I think something like ten levels of
41:25
gunslinger and ten levels of runececaster.
41:28
And we have this rune that basically gives you
41:31
vit. As long as you have vitality, it gives you,
41:34
vitality shots.
41:37
So basically I would my character
41:39
before we even started the game. In
41:42
his world would scrawl vitality
41:45
runes on his bullets so he could
41:48
shoot his allies and heal them with his
41:51
gun.
41:52
>> Skylar: Oh, that's cooleah.
41:53
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So he was.
41:54
>> Skylar: That is so cool.
41:54
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: He was a sniper and he would have a sniper and would be
41:57
healing people across the battlefield while
41:59
simultaneously shooting bad guys with his
42:02
other incendiary bullets that he basically
42:05
scribed fire runes on.
42:07
>> Skylar: Oh, that is sick.
42:09
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
42:09
>> Skylar: That is so cool.
42:10
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah. So O's it truly is based off of.
42:13
It can get super overpowered if.
42:16
And we've made it so that it can't. As long as your
42:19
DMs keeping you to a T. Right,
42:22
sure. But you get to do the fun that
42:25
you've always wanted to do within a,
42:29
understandable level without it being way over the
42:32
top.
42:33
>> Skylar: Right.
42:33
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And allowing other players to feel like you're not doing
42:36
all the heavy work.
42:38
>> Skylar: Oh, that's a fair point too. Yeah.
42:40
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Because that is a thing is like, like, honestly,
42:43
we actually saw a lot of people wanted to play the
42:46
runecaster more. Even in our own podcast, we actually have a
42:48
couple of our players starting to look toward multi
42:51
classassing there because there's so much
42:54
capability and versatility
42:57
that it's almost like, why wouldn't you want to be a
43:00
runeecaster within that? It's not better than other
43:03
classes. But I think a lot of people are very much drawn
43:05
into the fact that like, like D and
43:08
D supposed to be. You get to customize everything.
43:11
>> Skylar: Yes, absolutely. So as opposed to
43:14
being locked into. You know, I played
43:17
Warlock for the first time not too long ago, and it was just like,
43:20
oh, I get like two spells that I can cast,
43:23
period, for so long in the game. And so, yeah, I
43:26
could like, I want to be able to do more.
43:28
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. And we want to make sure that players can have
43:31
a fun time while staying
43:34
within the confines that they need.
43:36
>> Skylar: Right, right.
43:36
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
43:37
>> Skylar: Because if you start jumping outside of the rules, it's not fun anymoreact.
43:40
It's not fun for the other players who might lose out
43:42
an opportunity because you're just nuking every
43:45
encounter. It's not fun for the DM who's trying to tell
43:48
a fun story alongside of the players, you know, and
43:51
everything just easily gets solved by this one guy who does whatever,
43:54
you know?
43:54
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
43:55
>> Skylar: No, I totally get that.
43:56
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I would definitely say that's how our playtest went.
43:59
A majority of them were just tweaking small, small things.
44:02
There was that one big thing with gut feeling and just replacing it
44:05
in its order to make sure that it made sense that it wasn't
44:08
overkill. but everything else
44:10
kind of just like fell into our laps. Our players were
44:13
very open with their criticism, and we took it in
44:16
stride. we would have each person kind of fill
44:19
out, we would create a Google form where
44:22
basically they would go in and answer a bunch of questions that were all the
44:25
same questions for each person. So we could see, okay, where is this thing?
44:28
Like, in any additional comments that they had, outside of those
44:31
comments, we would ask them, like, hey, like, any
44:34
other things that you're thinking of, please let us know. Like, what did you feel?
44:37
Like, was it clunky? Was it too, too much
44:39
decision? Like, what did you feel? Because we don't want
44:42
to get people choice. Stunning.
44:45
Like, if that makes sense.
44:47
>> Skylar: Yes, absolutely.
44:48
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh, my God, I have so much I can do. What can I even
44:50
do with all this possibility?
44:52
>> Skylar: Absolutely, absolutely. And I would argue too,
44:55
that, you know, when it comes down to it, there are going to be classes
44:58
that some people lean more towards
45:01
than others for this. Like, people who don't
45:04
want to improv as much might not look into some
45:07
of the more something, you know, like this, but people that
45:10
love to do that, people that love to, like, come up with things on the
45:13
fly and all that kind of stuff. I'm not downbing
45:16
anybody, any particular player, for anything. You know, you do what you
45:19
enjoy. If you want to run around as a martial character and
45:22
just swing a sword at things, yeah, that's totally fine.
45:25
Absolutely. If you're somebody that just really likes to come up
45:27
with things on the fly and create crazy new
45:30
scenarios and ideas, Runecaster is definitely
45:33
something to check out.
45:34
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Absolutely, Absolutely. And it's something like with the
45:37
ear le like I talked about before, it's something that you can do
45:40
both. Like, yeah, you can have those funds. Any
45:43
ideas and get to do melee and keep your
45:46
enemies, like, pressured the entire time.
45:49
>> Skylar: Yes, yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
45:52
Well, so let me ask you, Haven, where could a
45:54
person find, like, if a person was interested in checking
45:57
out the Runecaster, is that something that you guys have or plan to
46:00
publish?
46:01
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Actually, so Nick and I have been planning to publish this for
46:04
a while currently. we are not going to be
46:06
publishing it soon. but it is within
46:09
our plans at some point to make a book or a
46:12
supplemental, that basically gets to talk about the
46:15
world of Ceruan inv Veentallo in our entire
46:18
campaign, as well as adding in, the Runcaster
46:21
itself with the different, items we've even added in
46:24
with that to like, make it feel more of like a
46:27
big world affected thing.
46:29
>> Skylar: Absolutely.
46:30
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So I sadly think the only
46:33
way that people could, find more
46:36
information on that is by sitting down and listening to our podcast, which they
46:39
totally can do.
46:40
>> Skylar: I was gonna say there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, yeah, no, I was just
46:43
gonna say like, if you're somebody that wants to check out the
46:45
Runaster follow campaign Castaster,
46:48
go listen to the podcast, hear it be
46:51
playeduse that's that'like the best way to learn in my
46:53
opinion.
46:54
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And like in Sophia, she does an amazing job. I think she
46:57
was awesome with her ruined choices.
47:00
>> Skylar: Absolutely, absolutely. And then, hey, that'll inspire some
47:03
ideas, right?
47:04
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
47:05
>> Skylar: and so from there you can keep up with campaign casters, follow
47:08
them on social. and then obviously once you guys
47:11
are ready to put that out there, you'll be in the right
47:13
place, to do that.
47:14
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, I, to see that. It's actually great. You mentioned that too.
47:17
I will just say one thing regarding our
47:20
podcast with that, we actually do
47:22
plan, once this is released, we're go going toa try and
47:25
open up on our social media's polls and abilities
47:28
to submit ideas for some cool rooms so that people
47:31
can actually be a part of that making of it. and
47:34
so keep an eye out for that if you're checking out any of our socials and stuff
47:37
like that. If you want to be a part of creating more runes that can go
47:40
into a book like something like that.
47:42
>> Skylar: That'd be really cool. That'd be awesome to be a part of. Yeah,
47:45
be a part of like ah, the community that's being created there. That would be
47:48
awesome.
47:48
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Absolutely. We are all about community and trying to bring
47:51
in anyone we really can with us.
47:54
Like we want to bring everyone up, as we
47:56
continue to work out this whole podcast.
47:59
Podcast.
48:00
>> Skylar: Absolutely. It is a lot of work. I totally get
48:02
it. You know, we actually we did it in
48:05
one of the first episodes that we did to this I talked to Hartley Yosea
48:08
who was putting together his own sort of one page
48:11
TTRPG that was based entirely around wizards. And I know he had
48:13
talked about too the idea of creating just
48:16
this, a mass of spells
48:19
specifically for, for his system. So yeah,
48:21
definitely. you know, if you have ideas, send them over
48:24
to the campaign casters because I know how much like that.
48:27
That can be daunting.
48:28
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
48:29
>> Skylar: To come up with so many different ideas.
48:30
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
48:31
>> Skylar: It is without, without like jumping into D
48:34
and D and just scrolling through the spell bug and being like all Right. Basically
48:37
this. You know, you want to come out with new ideas
48:39
and interesting new capabilities.
48:41
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: yeah, we don't want to say stagnant. We always want to be creating.
48:44
>> Skylar: Absolutely. Absolutely. And of course, the beauty of it, the
48:47
Runecaster, is that you're not limited to anything that
48:49
would come out that you guys publish. You can come up with
48:52
anything.
48:53
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
48:53
>> Skylar: You can come up with all sorts.
48:54
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: It's always changing to, whatever way you want to play.
48:57
>> Skylar: Absolutely. So, last question I got before we
49:00
go into our intramurals. and of course, for those that are
49:03
curious, I'm going to obviously have links to Campaign Castaster,
49:06
their podcast, as well as socials, in the description.
49:09
So definitely scroll down and check that out. but my last question to you,
49:12
Haven, before we jump into the enderm murals, is
49:14
anyone out there who's trying to make their
49:17
own, homebrew class? Like. Like I said, Cameron, one of the guys
49:20
from our podcast, he's working on one right now.
49:23
What kind of advice would you give
49:25
to somebody who's trying to do that?
49:27
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah, think. I think I say it a
49:30
lot whenever I talk about any of this stuff in general.
49:33
It's just take the things you love
49:36
from the things you love and find a way to make it
49:39
playable.
49:40
>> Skylar: Absolutely.
49:41
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Like, cool. It is. It is. As
49:44
long as you care about it. And it's something that makes you happy.
49:47
And it's something that you can, like,
49:50
just sit down and go, okay, this is a cool concept.
49:53
Now how. How can I look at these rules?
49:56
Like, like, and don't be afraid to
49:59
borrow for a second and go, okay, this
50:02
is what works. Look at what works and why
50:05
people like it. And then take your idea and
50:08
mesh it with those things. Yeah, it's okay
50:11
to look at that and go, okay, what works? Then take
50:14
bits and pieces and then make your own thing, with
50:16
that general foundation.
50:19
>> Skylar: I love it. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Be inspired by
50:22
something and let that inspiration kind of guide you through
50:25
the process.
50:25
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
50:26
>> Skylar: I love it. Awes. Awesome. Well, we're going to jump
50:29
over to our intramural section, so stay tuned for that.
50:32
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Hell, yeah.
50:53
>> Skylar: So the idea that we came up with for our intramural, because, you know,
50:56
we like to play, some sort of sort of improv game
50:59
that revolves around whatever the theme of the episode is.
51:02
So today I came up with an idea. It'a
51:04
really just basic concept called custom class,
51:08
quick pitch. And the idea is that, is
51:11
kind of based off of the runecaster. You guys had some
51:13
things that inspired you? the owl house. And, you
51:16
know, why am I Full Metal Alchemist? There we go.
51:19
Gosh. And I mean, you even mentioned, like, Avatar the last day. That was
51:22
the one that kept coming to mind. And I was like, wait, there's a different one. I gotta get to that one.
51:25
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: No, I get it. You're all good.
51:27
>> Skylar: Yeah. So, we're going to kind of take
51:29
some bits and pieces from. From different
51:32
topics, and from those, we're going to let those kind of inspire
51:35
a class. Just an idea. Obviously, we're not making
51:38
the fullhd all the way through
51:40
20. We're not going to do that right here, right now. For the
51:43
next, like, eight hours of, you know, done.
51:46
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I'm already done up.
51:50
>> Skylar: We're going to take, we're just going toa, like, take the flavors
51:53
that we're getting out of these characters. We're going to take characters,
51:56
magic items, and personality quirks, and
51:59
we're going toa take some flavors from those things, and we're going to turn them
52:01
into. I don't know, I thought maybe we could do, like,
52:05
three classes each, so I'm for that. Awesome.
52:08
Sweet. So, Haven, I got a question for you. I have
52:11
a total of 10 from each of those categories,
52:13
and I figured the best way to split them up would be say there's the first
52:17
five, the second five, and then go through each
52:19
category for each of those. So do you want me to
52:22
give you for characters, do you want the first five or the second
52:25
five?
52:25
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh, go. I'll go second five, Second
52:28
five, second five.
52:29
>> Skylar: Okay, sounds good. for magic items, do you want first five or
52:32
second five? First five, first five. Okay,
52:35
sweet. And then for the personality quirks, do you want the first five
52:38
or second.
52:38
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Fil m. Let's go second.
52:41
>> Skylar: Second five. Okay. Sweet. Okay.
52:43
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Very bizarre. Okay. Okay. I'm reading
52:46
them.
52:47
>> Skylar: So basically, you know, one class at a
52:50
time. Feel free to take a character, a magic item,
52:52
and a personality quirk and come up with just a
52:55
general concept for what a class might look like. And we'll
52:58
go through, like, what everybody chose. But there's. There's some
53:01
unique ones in there, for sure.
53:02
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: So we're making. So we're starting with one character first, right?
53:05
>> Skylar: Yeah, we can start with it, or you can take one from each of the categories
53:08
to help kind of inspire.
53:09
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Like, the direction of it.
53:10
>> Skylar: Yeah, but, yeah, absolutely.
53:12
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Okay. Okay. These are some fun ones.
53:15
>> Skylar: I know there's. There's some interesting ones in there, for
53:18
sure.
53:18
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh, I. I think I have
53:21
it. I think I have. I think I have one.
53:24
>> Skylar: Okay. Okay, hit me with it.
53:25
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Okay, so currently I'll tell you the inspirations and then
53:28
I'll kind of go what the class kind of would be. so
53:31
I'm a big SpongeBob fan. So I'll take SpongeBob SquarePants.
53:34
Then I'm taking a sentient
53:36
overramatic cloak. Then
53:39
I'm taking has, an imaginary friend
53:42
who gives surprisingly good or terrible advice.
53:46
So basically what I would say
53:49
is I don't know what to call this class, so excuse
53:52
me for not having a name for it, but basically I'm
53:54
picturing how SpongeBob in the end of the first
53:57
SpongeBob movie has his purple cloak and his
54:00
cone hat. And basically he, he can summon
54:02
forth a familiar at third level, which is
54:05
Patrick Starr, which at every single
54:08
time you bring him in,
54:11
you basically get to roll a D6 or a D10
54:13
or maybe even a D20. And he, he gives
54:16
you, depending on your role, you aot
54:19
a actual chart that says like, for one, he
54:22
tells you this advice and it gives you this general
54:25
benefit. so like example, like
54:28
he could be like, I don't know, let's just pick
54:31
up the whole town and move it over. So
54:33
whenever, whenever you, bring
54:36
forth Patrick, as you're familiar, he doesn't
54:39
actually do anything himself, but now
54:42
you, you like, gain the
54:45
spongebob, like fancy, fancy arms
54:48
that are like super ripped and you're able to like,
54:50
geth nice additional like, advantage
54:53
in a, strength ability score at a third level.
54:56
And as you like, let's say at like
54:58
10th level, whenever it, like, it can
55:01
actually expand the amount in which his list
55:04
continues to get bigger or the
55:07
actual choices increase in their
55:10
ability and proficiency. And the cloak
55:12
itself would then at like 6 level,
55:15
you can choose to go up in the air and perform
55:18
like a beguiling dance that is
55:21
playing something like u. oh, what's the
55:24
name of, goofy goober rock from the end of the
55:27
movie where he basically just slam the best song
55:29
ever. Yeah, exactly. And like in a 10 foot radius, it
55:32
basically charms people if they fail a charisma saving
55:35
throw based off of your. Whatever your modifier
55:38
is. I guess in this circumstance it would be charisma.
55:41
>> Skylar: Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, wow.
55:44
Okay. The SpongeBob class. Ye I
55:47
love.
55:47
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I was gonna say, I think you definitely could do a
55:50
Spongebob. I think that 100% and like,
55:53
I could, I could even get behind like each
55:55
different subclass would be not just Patrick like
55:59
it's a different familiar from his like
56:01
stuff. So it would be like Patrick has his own
56:04
like, bunch of stupid ideas. And then like
56:07
you have Oh my gosh. You have Mr. Krabs coming in
56:10
where it's all greed based ideas. So. Oh my
56:13
God. You could make like subclasses of the
56:16
seven deadly sins and each one
56:19
is one that goes based off of a
56:22
separate character from SpongeBob.
56:24
>> Skylar: That's so good.
56:24
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
56:25
>> Skylar: Oh man. Squidward comes in and he's got like a wrath
56:28
thing.
56:29
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: That's what I'me like something like that. I'm
56:31
super down, dude.
56:33
>> Skylar: That's so good.
56:35
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
56:36
>> Skylar: I love thatquid. Squidward would fits so well with sort of like,
56:38
bardic mix. like, what
56:41
is the bard thing? I can't even think of it. Which is
56:44
embarrassing. Where he criticized. Oh, close.
56:47
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Vicious mockery.
56:48
>> Skylar: Y Vicious mockery. Yes. Where he's just like,
56:50
you're terrible at clarinet.
56:52
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
56:52
>> Skylar: Like I would, I would love.
56:56
Oh, that's good.
56:57
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: SpongeBob M class. For days I could get by the SpongeBob class.
57:00
>> Skylar: We're going to work on it. We're goingna publish it.
57:03
It'snn be amazing.
57:04
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: It's there. It's there.
57:05
>> Skylar: I love it. I think it'd be hilarious. I know that pretty much
57:08
any of the players in our group, they just. Anything comedic,
57:11
they'll go for it. ###Ah and so this, this would
57:14
100%. And I think they're all big SpongeBob fans as well. So this is,
57:17
this is like top tier.
57:18
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I wasnn. It's dangerous. You brought a comedian on to
57:21
your.
57:23
>> Skylar: Well, hey, it's actually funny that you say that because the one
57:26
I came up with, I went with Homer Simpson
57:29
for the magic item. I went with inappropriate
57:32
puns hat. So a hat that like constantly
57:35
saying inappropriate puns at inopportune moments is kind of the
57:37
premise that I came up and then, for personality
57:40
quirks always carries a
57:42
disproportionately large number of rubber ducks.
57:46
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
57:46
>> Skylar: I'm imagining. And maybe this is technically a bit
57:49
more of a bardic subclass. Technically, but like
57:52
a comedian class.
57:53
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
57:54
>> Skylar: Everything's just based on comedy. The most like,
57:57
ridiculous things you can do. It's giving, there's a humor
58:00
side to it where it's giving buffs
58:03
to the rest of the party because they're getting a kick out of whatever it is you're doing
58:06
during the battle, no less. Yeah. And then on the other
58:09
hand, there's sort of this you know, attacks
58:11
with vicious mockery type thing where you're making
58:14
fun of them to the point where you even call them out.
58:17
Like, like some comedians will like do the, the audience
58:20
work.
58:20
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
58:20
>> Skylar: Where they'll, they'll point at some guy and they'll just start making yeah. The
58:23
crowd work. Or like there. Yeah. They're just making fun of some dude in
58:26
the audience.
58:27
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I wasnna say.
58:28
>> Skylar: And it'sort of that same concept.
58:29
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: You could, you could even go further with that. Like I was gonna say don't
58:32
even limit yourself to just bar because I think you could
58:35
make your own class and then make each subclass a different
58:38
brand of comedy. So then you have dry comedy,
58:41
you have like, like crude comedy,
58:44
satire, all of that stuff in each one.
58:47
>> Skylar: Rubber ducks definitely lends to prop comedylute.
58:50
Gotta have a got guy that
58:53
just.
58:53
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Pulls out a rubber hand carrot top in there and you're
58:55
good.
58:57
>> Skylar: That's o dude. That that's exactly
59:00
how someone would pitch that to me as be like oh yeah. So I'm
59:03
just ah, a human male and I've got like a
59:06
crazy big puffy red hair.
59:08
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Hell yeah.
59:08
>> Skylar: And I was like oh, I know what you're doing.
59:11
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: It's perfect. It can never go wrong.
59:14
>> Skylar: I mean, hey, who doesn't love the idea of just
59:17
literally a comedy based class?
59:19
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh, exactly. Like I would think it anytime.
59:22
>> Skylar: Oh anytime. Absolutely.
59:24
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Okay. I think,
59:27
I think I have. Okay, okay,
59:30
I'm done for this one. I'm done for this one. Okay, okay. So
59:33
what I'm thinking. So have, I have, for characters. I have
59:36
Indiana Jones, I have Nice.
59:38
>> Skylar: Okay.
59:38
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: a bag of holding that occasionally spits
59:41
out live squirrels and
59:44
refuses to use doors, preferring to climb through
59:47
windows. And basically what I'm
59:50
thinking is it could
59:52
like like all of. I mean I'THINK a lot of these could go into subclass
59:55
territory but I think if we're
59:58
talking subclass territory, you could make
1:00:01
a like Indiana Jones inspired
1:00:04
sort of subclass where it's an adventurer
1:00:07
that always is looking to like replace
1:00:10
like items and stuff like that. So he has this bag of
1:00:13
squirrels and basically puts squirrels down
1:00:16
wherever he goes and takes the different
1:00:19
objects. So basically like the whole thing is you
1:00:22
get advantage on all sleight of hand checks.
1:00:24
Almost like fast hands. But like the trick is,
1:00:27
is like every time you're like
1:00:30
ever in combat you can like swap out an
1:00:33
enemy's weapon for a squirrel
1:00:36
without seeing it and like have like sleight of hand checks
1:00:39
versus their Passive perceptions and stuff like that. And
1:00:42
it's constantly like you are just a ah. Master
1:00:45
of deception in terms of like magic
1:00:47
tricks where you can just like be like see
1:00:50
your weapon. It's gone now. And now they
1:00:53
have.
1:00:54
>> Skylar: And now it's aquirl.
1:00:55
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: No, it's a squirrel. Exactly. Like I think that would be
1:00:58
a great rogue subclass for sure.
1:01:00
>> Skylar: Oh, I love that.
1:01:01
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I also like with that ab that thing of like
1:01:03
refusing to use doors. Like just make it a full
1:01:06
blown like they always
1:01:09
have a grappling hook or something like that so they're able
1:01:12
to reel themselves up walls and climb up
1:01:15
surface. even if there's nowhere for it to latch
1:01:17
onto. So it looks like it's just like,
1:01:21
like we're talking prop comedy. They're able to like lash it
1:01:24
up and then just climb on walls
1:01:26
just without separate things. So like that's just
1:01:29
passive like third level ability where they can't they
1:01:32
just flavor it like they have a grappling hook or
1:01:35
something or a whip and are able to
1:01:38
climb up walls at all times. Nice. Okay,
1:01:41
well simultaneous of like what is.
1:01:42
>> Skylar: That spell rope trick or whatever. Yeah.
1:01:44
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Rop trick or spider climb M.
1:01:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:01:47
>> Skylar: That's what.
1:01:48
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Okay. I love. I'm thinking general idea.
1:01:51
>> Skylar: Sneaking around, climb it up walls,
1:01:53
just throwing squirrels.
1:01:54
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I wasnna say the perfect. The perfect concept.
1:01:57
>> Skylar: Yeah. I love it. One of the guys in our campaign right
1:02:00
now has What is it? It's a bag of or a
1:02:03
sack of furry something
1:02:05
or something along those lines.
1:02:07
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh, it's the one. It's the one where you like throw creatures out of
1:02:09
it. Yes, yes.
1:02:11
>> Skylar: So this sounds a. He loves doing it.
1:02:13
>> Skylar: That's like his main move is he'll just. Any
1:02:16
givenounter he reaches in the bag, he's like well, let's see how this will
1:02:18
helpagag bag
1:02:21
tricks. Bag of tricks. Thank you. Yes. Except this one's a bag
1:02:24
of squirrels.
1:02:25
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: It's always going to be squirrelactly and I'll take that any day
1:02:28
because you.
1:02:29
>> Skylar: Know what you're gonna get.
1:02:30
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I was gonna say honestly, I could, I could even picture
1:02:32
myself making ah. A class based
1:02:35
off of Kronk from m Emperor's new Groove.
1:02:38
And like his wholetick is like he just has a bunch of
1:02:41
squirrels that he like he goes squeak, squeak, squeak,
1:02:44
squeak, squeak and squeak squeak. Exactly.
1:02:47
>> Skylar: That's so good. That'd be awesome. Perfect.
1:02:50
Oh, dude. Oh. And then of course that has to be in there too. It is
1:02:53
like one of your class Features like at the
1:02:55
beginning getting this class is that you have the language
1:02:58
to speak explicitly to Squarel.
1:03:00
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. I'm so down.
1:03:01
>> Skylar: I love that.
1:03:02
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Absolutely. Yes.
1:03:02
>> Skylar: Okay, man. Now we're. See we're making a lot of tough decisions between some
1:03:05
of these class ideas that we ve.
1:03:07
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I know. Gotta start cutting down. It's tough.
1:03:09
>> Skylar: I know, I know. All right, all right.
1:03:12
I'll go in with another one. this one's a little bit more
1:03:15
chill. I think. So, maybe, maybe not as funny.
1:03:18
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: But ye go for it.
1:03:19
>> Skylar: I think there's still some possibility here. So Groot is my
1:03:21
character from Guardians of the Galaxy.
1:03:23
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
1:03:23
>> Skylar: we all love our tree, man. Hell
1:03:26
yeah. My. What is it? The magic
1:03:29
item is a teapot that brews leaves with
1:03:32
flavors corresponding to the drinker's current emotion.
1:03:34
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: That is awesome.
1:03:35
>> Skylar: I'mnna play around with that a little bit.
1:03:37
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
1:03:38
>> Skylar: and then I went with the.
1:03:40
Compulsively organizes everything by color, even during
1:03:43
combat.
1:03:44
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Nice.
1:03:44
>> Skylar: So I'm imagining this is a class. and
1:03:47
it's not exclusive to, what am
1:03:50
I thinking of? like if you were playing any kind of a plant
1:03:53
based species or race or whatever.
1:03:55
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Absolutely.
1:03:55
>> Skylar: But it's kind of maybe a druid subclass
1:03:58
where you innately like grow leave out
1:04:01
of your hair or off your body, which is
1:04:04
kind of freaky. But it's normal because, you know,
1:04:07
this, this is your class. This is what you ve.
1:04:09
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Welcome to D and yeah, exactly.
1:04:11
>> Skylar: Exactly. This is fantasy, guys. Anything can happen.
1:04:13
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
1:04:14
>> Skylar: I love the idea that. So you grow leaves
1:04:17
out of you and then you can like throw those in. I
1:04:20
have always loved the idea of playing like a chef based class.
1:04:23
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
1:04:24
>> Skylar: I've tried one. It was fun. it was
1:04:26
interesting. It was. I think it was through like a cleric, which I thought was
1:04:29
bizarre. I was expecting like a bard or something.
1:04:31
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
1:04:31
>> Skylar: But this would be a druid version of that where you're constantly
1:04:34
brewing things. almost a little bit like the artificer
1:04:37
class, how they can like make items and
1:04:40
potions and things like that, you know, every, like once every long
1:04:43
rest or whatever the case. this one makes different
1:04:46
teas that have different effects. It could be it
1:04:49
boosts you, lets you fly. It could be turns you
1:04:52
invisible. It could be, you know, all these different things.
1:04:55
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Absolutely.
1:04:55
>> Skylar: Based on these different leaves. Yeah. And they're all like different
1:04:58
colors, which is kind of where the organizes by colors.
1:05:01
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I wasnna say. I'm curious if you could even make it
1:05:03
like. And you could make it either like you're
1:05:06
saying a druid subclass or its own class entirely by making
1:05:09
it based off of, reading tea
1:05:11
leaves. Kind of like how they do in
1:05:14
a bunch of different cultures. And, make like,
1:05:17
like, the main function of it to, like, ident.
1:05:20
Like how, I think there's a druid subclass
1:05:23
that has the wheel or wo thing. I think it's circle of stars where,
1:05:26
like, you can roll and, like, the DM
1:05:29
tells you whether something good or bad'coming forward. I think
1:05:32
that might be a special. Well, but, like, make it based off of that,
1:05:35
where they're almost like a propet that uses that and then
1:05:38
can adjust the
1:05:40
future with their leaves.
1:05:42
>> Skylar: Oh.
1:05:43
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Because that's where you take all those ideas that you were saying
1:05:46
and, like, put it into its own, like, abilities
1:05:49
that are improving your future.
1:05:52
>> Skylar: Right. Oh, that's cool. That's a cool idea.
1:05:55
Yeah. Like, you're not limited to what's coming.
1:05:57
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
1:05:57
>> Skylar: Use your abilities to change. Yeah.
1:06:00
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: That's a really good idea. Dud.
1:06:01
>> Skylar: I like it. I like it. Sweet.
1:06:03
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Ye. Okay.
1:06:04
>> Skylar: Very cool.
1:06:04
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I think I have. Let me look at my
1:06:07
last personality quirk, because I think I have
1:06:10
the other two.
1:06:12
>> Skylar: Okay.
1:06:13
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: these are tough.
1:06:15
>> Skylar: I know. If you need to adjust them at all, feel free.
1:06:17
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh, no, you're okay. okay, I think I have one because I.
1:06:20
Again, I'm somebody who goes for the bit, and I feel like this is
1:06:23
hilarious. Gordon Rams, ``y is
1:06:26
my character. I'm going with a
1:06:29
magical monocle that reveals everyone's deepest, most
1:06:32
embarrassing fear. Oh, boy. And
1:06:35
then I'm going to say is convinced they
1:06:37
are secretly a legendary hero villain from a bygone
1:06:40
era, which is basically just Gordon Ramsay himself.
1:06:44
so what I'm thinking is, like you were
1:06:47
saying, having a chef class.
1:06:50
What I'm going for is basically
1:06:53
his whole kind of thing is he creates
1:06:56
food that each, like, each subclass is
1:06:59
a different type of chef. So, like, you have a
1:07:02
pastry side, you have a, dessert
1:07:05
specific. You have more of a grill master.
1:07:07
You have all of these things. And then what
1:07:10
you can do is this sort of, like, monocle thing
1:07:13
that it's talking about. It's. They make it
1:07:16
basically a Michelin star reader that if some.
1:07:19
That if. That if somebody like, you could
1:07:22
basically analyze a creature, almost like how,
1:07:25
the Cobalt soul from, Matthew Mercer critical
1:07:28
role, Monk class does, where they basically
1:07:30
analyze a creature. You can analyze a creature,
1:07:33
but you can actually, instead of just
1:07:36
analyzing it, you don't get to analyze everything.
1:07:39
You choose, like, one thing, and you can
1:07:42
make that advantage. They have a disadvantage.
1:07:44
So, like, so, like, you reverse it
1:07:48
by, like, cooking certain foods that makes them
1:07:50
beguiled in a certain different direction.
1:07:53
Or, like, you see, I mean, or basically,
1:07:56
like, like, somebody starts creating, like, a
1:07:59
pot of food, and then they just splash it on a
1:08:02
guy, like, randomly halfway through, and they're like, now
1:08:04
you have no strength and you have the opposite of
1:08:07
what you had before. So if the person was like a meatball, they're
1:08:10
now, like, they're like, faster or something like that.
1:08:14
>> Skylar: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sensee.
1:08:16
Okay'and you could do that both ways.
1:08:18
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah. So, like, you could increase them in one direction or you could
1:08:21
debuff them in one direction. Like, help your allies
1:08:24
debuff another. Another group by, like,
1:08:26
cooking with, like, grill master tools and,
1:08:29
like, specifically for that one. Like,
1:08:32
everyone in your party, as long as they're in like, a 20 foot
1:08:34
radius, gets, like, a plus one to saving throws
1:08:37
because. Because get the
1:08:41
smell of barbecue in their general area. Stuff like
1:08:43
that. O man.
1:08:45
>> Skylar: This is just. It gives an aura of. Yeah, the
1:08:47
scent is delicious.
1:08:49
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Like, the pastry chef basically has,
1:08:52
like, a healing ability that if you're in
1:08:55
the general area, they can spend their turn applying a
1:08:58
pastry into your mouth. And you heal points based off of
1:09:01
that. Like, open up. There's plenty I think you
1:09:04
can do with that.
1:09:05
>> Skylar: I love that. Again, again, this is the perfect, like,
1:09:08
chef class.
1:09:09
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly.
1:09:09
>> Skylar: I love that. I love that. And I'd be screaming at everybody,
1:09:12
where's the limmb sauce?
1:09:13
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: The whole thing. Exactly. It's ra.
1:09:16
It's raw. Okay. You can see.
1:09:18
>> Skylar: Yeah. Ah, it's perfect. My wife and I have been watching a lot of, Kitchen Nightmares.
1:09:21
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I love Kitchen Nightmares.
1:09:23
>> Skylar: Totally get it. It's, like, spot on. Perfect
1:09:25
Gordon Ramsay clau.
1:09:29
All right, last one I've got is, So
1:09:32
I had Mary Poppins.
1:09:33
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Oh, yeah.
1:09:34
>> Skylar: Cursed teddy bear.
1:09:36
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Nice.
1:09:37
>> Skylar: It says overly affectionate teddy bear that grants small
1:09:39
boons. And then, for the
1:09:42
quirk, the personality quirk, I have, an
1:09:44
uncontrollable gosh. Uncontrollable
1:09:47
urge to correct grammar and pronunciation.
1:09:50
This class is simply titled the Nanny,
1:09:53
and it is. It is entirely
1:09:56
based around the idea. I think it's kind of leans towards
1:09:59
a buffing class once again. I mean, those are. I don't know,
1:10:02
it just. It just kind of makes sense. That buff
1:10:05
slash debuff. She's going around, she's helping
1:10:07
the allies to, you know, giving them
1:10:10
lessons Basically, which increase their
1:10:13
stats, give them advantage, give them resistance even.
1:10:16
You know, stuff like that.
1:10:17
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I like it.
1:10:17
>> Skylar: And then on the other hand, again, kind of comes back to that vicious
1:10:20
mockery idea where, an enemy might
1:10:23
miss, the one of the other player characters and
1:10:26
sh. Like, slam them with this insult of like, I've
1:10:29
never been so disappointed or something like
1:10:31
that. Like these very posh kind
1:10:34
of,
1:10:34
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: insult have an ability in there that's like, basically
1:10:37
you're consulting their parents.
1:10:41
Oh, no.
1:10:42
>> Skylar: Like, she can like, spectrally summon your parents.
1:10:44
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Exactly. Like, put you in the corner of shame. Put you in
1:10:47
timeout. That would be perfect.
1:10:49
>> Skylar: Timeout would be a really cool name for one of the features too.
1:10:52
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Or like, I love that. Or pull something from, Oh, what's her
1:10:55
frickaking name? Oh, is that who you
1:10:57
pulled's the person? What's the character you pulled?
1:10:59
>> Skylar: Mary Poppins.
1:11:00
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Y. I was gonna say he's also.
1:11:01
>> Skylar: Like Nanny McPhee, too.
1:11:03
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I was thinking Nanny M. McPh, but I was also thinking
1:11:06
of Mary Poppins. Spoonful of Sugar. That would be the name of one
1:11:08
of, like, the things.
1:11:10
>> Skylar: Oh, yes.
1:11:10
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Like ISO. There's plenty to go around with those
1:11:13
100%.
1:11:14
>> Skylar: And then with the teddy bear idea, I think this was, I
1:11:17
think there was a character in one of the Final Fantasy games where
1:11:20
in't played. She, like, I haven't really either.
1:11:22
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
1:11:23
>> Skylar: I remember watching, like, my nephew, I think, plat them
1:11:25
and there was like, one. There's this, like, little girl that you
1:11:28
can get as part of your party, and she just has like a teddy bear.
1:11:31
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah.
1:11:31
>> Skylar: That's like, alive, and it will do the attacking for you. So
1:11:34
I like to think that the character like you
1:11:37
playing the Mary Poppins classes.
1:11:40
The nanny.
1:11:41
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yes.
1:11:41
>> Skylar: you are kind of more focused on the buff debuff
1:11:44
stuff, but you can summon these, like,
1:11:47
spectral toys.
1:11:49
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: That's awesome. They will do tax for
1:11:52
like, like the artificer subclass. The, one that creates
1:11:55
like, the dog. The. The war dog.
1:11:56
>> Skylar: Yes.
1:11:57
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: That would be cool.
1:11:58
>> Skylar: Yes. Or like, in Dice Throw
1:12:01
if. I don't know if you ever played that. Like a board game
1:12:04
or a dice game. I guess, technically. But I digress. They came out
1:12:07
with a character where they did, They did a Santa and then they did
1:12:10
Krampus. And Krampus also kind of has like, these.
1:12:12
That'sesome ways that you can use to gain
1:12:15
ability. S. That so.
1:12:17
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Yeah. Yeah.
1:12:18
>> Skylar: I actually really like that idea, just even by itself. Yeah.
1:12:20
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I was gonna say I actually really like the idea of
1:12:24
whenever you were talking about the. Whenever you introduced the
1:12:26
teddy bear, Id having having a teddy
1:12:29
bear as your patron would be crazy.
1:12:32
As your warlike patron.
1:12:34
>> Skylar: Sexual teddy bear in the sky.
1:12:36
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Like, it's's like, that's the name of it is
1:12:39
like the teddy bear, but like the majority of the
1:12:41
abilities you get is a friendship and like, and
1:12:44
like love and stuff like that.
1:12:46
>> Skylar: Yeah, yeah.
1:12:47
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Or like.
1:12:47
>> Skylar: And I love that it has like a really deep, slow voice too. So it's
1:12:50
like, good job.
1:12:52
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: And you call. You could call all of your attacks the
1:12:54
bear hu. Where you just squeeze the shit out of people.
1:12:58
Like, that would be awesome, man. That would be epic.
1:13:01
>> Skylar: Oh, I love it. I love it. Awesome. Well, for those of
1:13:04
you that are listening, if any of you do actually
1:13:07
go through these ideas and make like a full version,
1:13:10
please let us, please tag us. I want to see that so
1:13:13
bad. I probably will play it too. In fact, I'll do that. I'll make
1:13:16
that commitment. I will play it. If you make.
1:13:18
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: I will. I will say hands down, if somebody makes any of these, I
1:13:21
will do a whole one shot.
1:13:23
>> Skylar: Yes.
1:13:24
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Based off of.
1:13:24
>> Skylar: Based around the idea. Y.
1:13:25
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Please.
1:13:26
>> Skylar: I love that.
1:13:26
>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Absolutely.
1:13:27
>> Skylar: Might. I might toy around with it myself. Definitely. A couple of
1:13:30
these were fantastic. So. But whatever
1:13:33
the case, Haven, thank you so much for being onk. So this is your
1:13:36
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1:13:39
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1:13:53
Runecaster is getting released, which I definitely want to check
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out. So yes, definitely do that because
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they are fantastic. And Haven, thank you so much for taking the time to
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be here.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: Thank you so much, Kyler. I really appreciate it.
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>> Skylar: We'll see you guys next time on Sessions Zero University.
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>> Haven Joseph Lyon: See you next time.
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>> Skylar: Thank you so much for joining us for today's class.
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