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Arrest Warrant for Kentucky Cheerleader, Laken Snelling, Newborn Found Dead in Closet: Court This Week · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: And arrest warrant issued for Kentucky cheerleader lake And Snelling
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  Speaker 2: after her dead kneeborn baby boy found hidden in her closet.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. That's right. A University
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky cheerleader charged with leaving her kneeborn baby boy dead.
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky law enforcement issued an arrest warrant for lac And Snelling,
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  Speaker 2: twenty one years old, less than twenty four hours after
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  Speaker 2: a grand jury indicts her.
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  Speaker 3: Lacn Snelling, a former University of Kentucky student athlete accused
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  Speaker 3: of killing her newborn baby, pleading not guilty to a
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  Speaker 3: first degree manslaughter charge in the Kentucky court room. A
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  Speaker 3: grand jury indicted Snelling on the charge of first degree
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  Speaker 3: manslaughter after the Kentucky Medical e Amner's office determined the
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  Speaker 3: infant was born alive and died of asphyxia by undetermined means.
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  Speaker 3: Snelling is accused of giving birth in her off campus apartment,
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  Speaker 3: placing the newborn in a trash bag, and leaving the
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  Speaker 3: baby in a closet, then going to class. She previously
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  Speaker 3: told police she did not believe the baby was breathing.
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  Speaker 3: The former stunt team member at the University of Kentucky
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  Speaker 3: is not currently in jail, but she is under strict
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  Speaker 3: house arrest after being indicted for first degree manslaughter, abuse
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  Speaker 3: of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence, concealing the birth
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  Speaker 3: of an infant regarding the death of her newborn baby.
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  Speaker 3: Snelling has pleaded not guilty and has a pre trial
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  Speaker 3: conference scheduled for May fourteenth, followed by a status hearing
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  Speaker 3: on June twelfth. If convicted, Snelling faces ten to twenty
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  Speaker 3: years in prison.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about the lake?
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  Speaker 2: In snelling case? Chilling words after her baby, her kneeborn
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  Speaker 2: is found wrapped in a blanket, then a trash bag
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  Speaker 2: dead in her closet.
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  Speaker 4: Lincoln Smelling a radiant beauty pageant queen excelling in her
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  Speaker 4: final year of college. But is something dark hiding behind
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  Speaker 4: the pageant? Smile something dark?
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  Speaker 1: There's a dead baby in her closet.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if you want to call that dark, that's certainly
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  Speaker 2: putting perfume on the pig. Joining me an all star
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  Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we are learning, and
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  Speaker 2: I am stunned listen.
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  Speaker 1: To this Good.
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  Speaker 5: Griversity, Jefferson County Bear, I Am Lady.
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  Speaker 6: Is Nancy University in Kentucky and she's twenty years of age.
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  Speaker 6: Her ears criteria is selling.
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  Speaker 5: The worse Maggie's List while also being a student adelade
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  Speaker 5: do wn athlete on the stun team at a University
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  Speaker 5: of techy one hundred plus community service hours in the
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  Speaker 5: past year. The honors stay around Jeffersony County.
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  Speaker 1: Or student there and behning to.
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  Speaker 2: Rivers in her house that is from the Jefferson County
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  Speaker 2: Fairest of the Fair Beauty paget that she won.
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  Speaker 1: But can we get to right now?
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  Speaker 2: And what leads up to the discovery of a dead
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  Speaker 2: infant baby boy in her closet?
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  Speaker 7: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the
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  Speaker 7: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew
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  Speaker 7: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where
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  Speaker 7: she was a Jefferson County High School for City cheerleader
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  Speaker 7: and crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is
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  Speaker 7: a self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,
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  Speaker 7: Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match.
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  Speaker 7: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her
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  Speaker 7: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student
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  Speaker 7: athlete well an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow
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  Speaker 7: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos
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  Speaker 7: with him.
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  Speaker 1: Why do I care about the boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out who is the biological father
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  Speaker 2: of this dead infant. And I'm completely intrigued curious about
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  Speaker 2: why so many dead babies are first wrapped in a blanket,
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  Speaker 2: a baby blanket very often, remember top mom Casey Anthony wrapped,
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  Speaker 2: according to the state, baby Kelly in her favorite blanket
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  Speaker 2: before putting her in a trash bag and throwing into
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  Speaker 2: a trashy, litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down
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  Speaker 2: from the Anthony home. Gee, I wonder who did that?
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  Speaker 2: And I see it over and over and over. The
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  Speaker 2: infant is wrapped in a baby blanket and left to
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  Speaker 2: die or kill and put in a trash bag. There's
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  Speaker 2: gotten to be some sort of psychopathy to that. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall joining us high profile psycho analyst author of
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  Speaker 2: deal Breaker on Amazon. You can see her now on
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  Speaker 2: Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued. What does it mean, if anything,
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  Speaker 2: that you are a self proclaimed real life Barbie. I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about the Barbie doll.
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  Speaker 8: This woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped in fantasy,
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  Speaker 8: not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems a
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  Speaker 8: lot more compelling to her than the reality of a baby.
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  Speaker 8: The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot more compelling
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  Speaker 8: to her than the reality of who she is as
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  Speaker 8: a mother and out in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking from the fire
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  Speaker 2: hyd right here. You gave me so much I've got
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  Speaker 2: to parse it. Can we state with Barbie?
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  Speaker 1: You said? I was writing as fast as I could.
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  Speaker 1: The fantasy of being.
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  Speaker 2: Barbie to her was being better, was better than being
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  Speaker 2: Lake and Snellings. Okay, now, wait a minute, what was
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  Speaker 2: it meane to be Barbie. It's a plastic doll with
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  Speaker 2: fake breasts.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you want to be that?
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  Speaker 8: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually attractive.
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  Speaker 8: In the world and the idea that she would be
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  Speaker 8: that person. It's like she's wrapping herself in an image,
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  Speaker 8: an external image, rather than really focusing on who she is.
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  Speaker 8: Does she attend to trust?
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  Speaker 9: Wait? Wait?
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  Speaker 1: Wait? Who wants to be Barbie?
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  Speaker 8: Who wants to be Barbie? As somebody who's more living
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  Speaker 8: in fantasy than reality? Hey, Nancy, that sounds just played.
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  Speaker 8: The inside of her apartment was pink. She lived in
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  Speaker 8: a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives in
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  Speaker 8: a fantasy world, not a reality world. Okay, Barbie is
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  Speaker 8: just that. It's adult. It's not a real person. She
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  Speaker 8: does not live her life like a real person. She's
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  Speaker 8: living She's like, it's like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm
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  Speaker 8: wondering would she go to a church, does she have friends?
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  Speaker 8: Is she kind to people? Does she like children in
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  Speaker 8: real life? Or was the fantasy of being pregnant and
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  Speaker 8: the fantasy of being a mom much more compelling than
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  Speaker 8: the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. Babies have needs, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, and I don't want to clear one thing up,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, You can be anything and have played
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  Speaker 2: with Barbies as a little girl. My sister had the
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  Speaker 2: Barbies she's a brainiac.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to read something she published. It was just
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of formulas with you know, like elements, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that was great.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with
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  Speaker 2: barbies when you're a child. I mean, it can be fun.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a grown woman that says she's a
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  Speaker 2: real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down
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  Speaker 2: the Barbie trail way too long. That's not going to
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  Speaker 2: help anybody a trial. I want to get to the
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  Speaker 2: facts and what we know. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 7: Ten thirty am Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a
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  Speaker 7: call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department
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  Speaker 7: in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag
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  Speaker 7: wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time
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  Speaker 7: officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to
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  Speaker 7: find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up
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  Speaker 7: after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given birth,
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  Speaker 7: and put all of the cleaning materials in the trash
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  Speaker 7: bag with the baby.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude, he is a
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  Speaker 2: high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of
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  Speaker 2: Colsrud Law Offices.
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  Speaker 1: Josh, Now, this is an dotal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a statistic on this, but I noticed
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  Speaker 2: it over and over and over in the over a
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  Speaker 2: decade that I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby,
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  Speaker 2: very often you see that case pled down like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were tired of the baby screaming and
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  Speaker 2: they bashed its head on the dresser, or they got
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  Speaker 2: tired of taking care of the baby where they forgot
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  Speaker 2: the feed the baby and it died, And it's often
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  Speaker 2: pled down to volunteer involuntary manslam.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if you're going to admit to
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  Speaker 1: that on the air, but it's true.
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  Speaker 2: When the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated as
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  Speaker 2: less important in our justice system.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy.
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  Speaker 10: You know there's a very similar case that happened in
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  Speaker 10: twenty seventeen Skuyler Richard, high profile case in Ohio. It
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  Speaker 10: was a cheerleader and in that case she was charged
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  Speaker 10: with murder with second degree murder and they went to
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  Speaker 10: trial and the the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide,
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  Speaker 10: which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty
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  Speaker 10: four hours, is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific
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  Speaker 10: tests generally cannot say with any certainty that murder was
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  Speaker 10: the result. And so here we just don't have enough
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  Speaker 10: information yet. The coroner has stated that that it's inconclusive.
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  Speaker 10: Right now they are doing additional tests. But I looked
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  Speaker 10: into this, and the additional tests are all going to
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  Speaker 10: have innocent explanations. Number one, I think that the prosecution.
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  Speaker 9: You go on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking you were going to come back, circle back
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  Speaker 2: to the question, which you did not while you stay
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  Speaker 2: that Brooks Skyler Richardson was found not guilty. Isn't it
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  Speaker 2: true that she was convicted of abuse of a corpse?
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  Speaker 2: She was not let go, she was actually found guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to
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  Speaker 2: put your feet to the fire on that. But you
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  Speaker 2: were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you
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  Speaker 2: did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics
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  Speaker 2: couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out,
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  Speaker 2: Josh colesrude.
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  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to get a coed cause of death
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  Speaker 1: in a case like this.
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  Speaker 2: But isn't Skylar Richardson the one that buried the baby
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  Speaker 2: in the backyard after she tried to burn the baby's body.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.
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  Speaker 10: She told the police that she heard gurgle and that
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  Speaker 10: it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents,
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  Speaker 10: who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe
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  Speaker 10: that the recording was still going on.
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  Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question? I asked you
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  Speaker 1: what you just said?
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  Speaker 2: May Skyle look even worse Skyle Richardson because the baby
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  Speaker 2: was alive. She said it was gurgling and alive when
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  Speaker 2: she gave birth. Now it's up to a jury to
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  Speaker 2: determine how the baby was born alive and ended up
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  Speaker 2: burned and.
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  Speaker 1: Buried in the backyard. That said, my question was to you.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm going to go to Chris Byers,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Buyer's private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services, for
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  Speaker 2: my purposes.
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  Speaker 1: He is the former police chief of John's Creek, twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years in LA law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: Buyers, isn't it true that you guys work the case
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  Speaker 2: of the dead baby. But when it gets to court, somehow,
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  Speaker 2: when the victim is a baby an infant, it gets
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  Speaker 2: pled down to involuntary or voluntary.
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  Speaker 11: You know, I don't get it in my experience with
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  Speaker 11: any of the cases that I've had like that, they
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  Speaker 11: have been pled down, And yeah, I can't explain it
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  Speaker 11: from the law enforcement side, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, how did the baby end up wrapped in a
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  Speaker 2: blanket in her closet? Do you think it wrapped itself
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  Speaker 2: up and went in the closet and died? Joining me now,
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  Speaker 2: Hermonia Rodriguez, Chief US reporter, dailymail dot Com. Hermonia, do
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  Speaker 2: we know if Snellings had roommates? Because I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out who would call nine one one.
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  Speaker 12: Right, That's one of the questions that remains unanswered in
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  Speaker 12: this case. Police have refused to say whether Snelling had
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  Speaker 12: any roommates and who called the police that morning, so
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  Speaker 12: that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of online
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  Speaker 12: speculation that says it was a roommate that called the
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  Speaker 12: police that morning.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Lakean Snellings.
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  Speaker 2: We already know that systematically cases involving victims that are
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  Speaker 2: infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down
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  Speaker 2: and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't
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  Speaker 2: get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called
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  Speaker 2: nine to one one? How did she keep the baby
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  Speaker 2: a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person
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  Speaker 2: on the college cheerleading team. And you can see that
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  Speaker 2: she's pregnant during her stunts. Let's take a look at
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  Speaker 2: video of Lincoln Snellings. Fright there, you go, that is
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  Speaker 2: a baby right there, the baby, the baby is in there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a medical doctor, but I can see that much.
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  Speaker 2: She was still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: What you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall denial. It ain't
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  Speaker 2: just a river in Egypt?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, what what is this?
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  Speaker 8: Bethany helped me out, Nancy. Not only is she she
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  Speaker 8: in denial, the whole team is denial. Is in denial.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, who's going to pull a stunt like that
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  Speaker 8: when you have a baby in your Tommy, Nancy, what
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  Speaker 8: this tells me is she was already disconnecting from the
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  Speaker 8: baby as she was pregnant. A mother who wants a baby,
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  Speaker 8: or who has a wanted baby and her tommy is
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  Speaker 8: not going to pull a stunt like that, because the
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  Speaker 8: maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy, did you
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  Speaker 8: hear what the reporter just said? When she put that
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  Speaker 8: baby in the plastic bag, she threw the cleaning material
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  Speaker 8: on top of it.
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  Speaker 1: She threw trash on her baby.
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  Speaker 8: It's so disturbing.
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  Speaker 4: A member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team, Laken Snelling,
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  Speaker 4: is driven, admired, and hiding a secret that will crack
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  Speaker 4: her dreams.
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  Speaker 2: And right now she is accused of a major felony
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  Speaker 2: after her dead in fat baby boy is found wrapped
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  Speaker 2: in towels in a trash back in her closet.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to.
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  Speaker 2: Harmonia Rodriguez joining us from Deally mail Harmonia.
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  Speaker 1: There are two lines.
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  Speaker 2: Of inquiry right now as to who called nine one one,
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  Speaker 2: And this is important. Okay, you may think who cares
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  Speaker 2: to call nine one one? They found a dead baby
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  Speaker 2: in the closet, But does the person that call nine
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  Speaker 2: one one have other facts and evidence that would be probative.
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  Speaker 1: So these are the two lines of inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling
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  Speaker 2: came back to school at the end of the summer.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't look the same as she did when spring
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  Speaker 2: semester ended. She looked pregnant. Then on that Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 2: the pregnancy bump was gone, so when she went to
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  Speaker 2: class that day, they the roommates decided to go into
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  Speaker 2: her room and take a look. There are also reports
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  Speaker 2: that one of the roommates had a dog that was
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  Speaker 2: going berserk outside Lake and Snelling's room and outside of
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  Speaker 2: her closet, and because of that they looked in the closet.
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  Speaker 1: Both reports indicate one of the roommates called nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia, right.
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  Speaker 1: I have seen those reports.
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  Speaker 12: One is from a local and the other one really
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  Speaker 12: comes from this Facebook page that is about the case. However,
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  Speaker 12: we have gone to police to ask about the circumstances
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  Speaker 12: of who called nine one one, and they still are
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  Speaker 12: not ready to release that information.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you're seeing video Lake and Snellings and it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at
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  Speaker 2: their feet. You know, there's no question she's beautiful, she's vivacious,
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  Speaker 2: she's healthy, she's smart, and now she's charged with a felony.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot will ride on the cause of death, but.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, that cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now,
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  Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner, the Chief Medical Examiner of Terrant County,
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  Speaker 2: that's Fort Worth, Texas, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School
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  Speaker 2: of Medicine at TCU, and star of a hit new podcast,
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  Speaker 2: Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What
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  Speaker 2: does that tell me? They don't have a CD yet
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  Speaker 2: cause of death? Let me read between the lines. That
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  Speaker 2: tells me there was no visible cood. Like you can
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  Speaker 2: just look at the baby and say, oh, the baby
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  Speaker 2: was bludgeon dead, or the baby was shot, or the
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  Speaker 2: baby was stabbed, or ligature strangulation or manual strangulation, maybe
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  Speaker 2: a been You might need a microscopic exam to determine
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  Speaker 2: if there were partickiar hemorrhage to the eyes. But that
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  Speaker 2: tells me that the cod was none of those things.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: So typically with.
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  Speaker 13: The babies that are found in trash bags, you first
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  Speaker 13: have to determine if they were born alive. There's certain
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  Speaker 13: things that you can look for. One of them is
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  Speaker 13: gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks, they probably
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  Speaker 13: couldn't have survived being born. If they have this thing
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  Speaker 13: called maceration, which is an overall kind of reddish decoloration
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  Speaker 13: sloughing of the skin of the baby, you know they
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  Speaker 13: died in utero. And then finally, do they have any
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  Speaker 13: major birst effects, like they have no brain or something
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  Speaker 13: of that nature. Then you go from there and you
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  Speaker 13: have to figure out if they If you determine that
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  Speaker 13: they could have been born alive, then you have to
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  Speaker 13: determine if they actually took a breath, and that can
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  Speaker 13: be a number of tests that are act actually not
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  Speaker 13: all that accurate. There's the float test with the lung,
• 20:03
  Speaker 13: but that can be disrupted by decomposition.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: A Kentucky cheerleader sought on an arrest warrant after she's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: indicted by a secret grand jury for the death of
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: her baby boy found dead in her closet. Snelling twenty two.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Indicted on first degree manslaughter after the death of her
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: baby boy, newborn, she allegedly wrapped him in a towel
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: and left him in a trash bag after she gave birth.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Now Snelling has been under house arrest. She was initially
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: charged with abuse of a corpse only and tampering with
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: physical evidence and concealing the birth of an infant. Those
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: were the original charges. She pled not guilty. Now she's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: being sought on manslaughter charges, facing a maximum of twenty
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: years behind bars. What do we know about the case,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns. I appreciate your vast knowledge. I also
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: appreciate all of your episodes on Mayhem and the Morgue
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I do. I've listened to them. They're amazing.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: But could you please dummy down?
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: Man?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: You said, oh, would let's say, did a flotation test?
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: What not?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Everybody works in the Morgue. Not everybody knows what you're
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: talking about. You just rattled off about fifteen medical phrases.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Throw Latin at me. Could you just start over and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: speak regular people talk? Please, if not for the listener
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: for me, please start over if you don't mind.
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: they're going to be looking for any signs that the
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: child was living when it was born, so did it
• 21:50
  Speaker 13: take a breath? And if it took a breath, the
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: float if you put them in water. So you could say,
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: oh that they breathe, if they lungs float in water.
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: The problem with the.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Floatation test, doctor Kendall Crowns right there, right there, you
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: have to explain what that means, because that reminds me
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of when we were first told the Idaho for students
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So it's like they drifted off to a lullaby and
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: they woke up in heaven. That's not what happened. They
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: fought for their lives. It was horrible.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You're saying the lungs are tested. What I believe you
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: mean is this infant is cut open, its lungs are removed,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and they're put in water to see.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: If they float. Is that what that means?
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: That's correct.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You just rattled off the tip of your tongue like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it's nothing.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: This is a baby, doctor Kendall Crowns, that now has
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to be cut open and its lungs removed from its
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: little body. How big are baby lungs? How big are
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: they and then dunked in water? How big is an
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: infant's lungs?
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally,
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: if they are newborn. If they are a newborn, their
• 23:02
  Speaker 13: lungs are about a couple inches.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe have you done a water test on a baby?
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I mean what went through your mind when you're cutting
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: out a baby's lungs that are this big? About the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup. I mean,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: do you look at it in your hands and think,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: my stars, what happened?
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: no different than doing an autopsy and adult. I have
• 23:27
  Speaker 13: to determine the cause and manner of death.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: It's just it is what it is.
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: I have to figure out what happened to this child
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: or happen to the adults. And that's the purpose of
• 23:36
  Speaker 13: my employment.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that you have to remain detached while
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you're performing all of this, But you know, when you
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: just rattle off and I'm not saying you're wrong, I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: know for a fact that you're right, But when you
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: say it so methodically, I mean, I got to think
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: this through doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: You're saying, one of the first things you do to.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Determine COEOD, if it's not immediately visible with the naked eye,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: is you do a float test on the lungs. What
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that means is the baby is sliced open, its lungs,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: they're removed, and they're dunked in water.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: What what kind of water? What is that in a pan?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: A sink?
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: What?
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: It's tap water? And it's basically a big cup.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You know, we are talking on and on and on,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: doctor Kendl Crowns about Blake and Snellings.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And she's a real life Barbie and she's a stunk.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Person, and she's a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous and she's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: miss Fairest of the Fair. Nobody is talking about the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: baby boy that's lying on a more table getting its
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: chest sliced open, it's lungs.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Removed and put in water. Why does it have to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: be all about her?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: That's why why cases and Josh Colsrude would not answer
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: earlier former federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns. So you do a long test and
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: if the lungs float, That means they had air in them.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: That means that baby was born alive. Is that where
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: you're going with that?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: That's correct.
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: I mean if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float,
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: But it could also mean they were given CPR. It
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of
• 25:19
  Speaker 13: the other things you'll do with the floatation test is
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: take the liver. Take a section of the liver and
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: place it in the water as well to see if
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: it will float, to show that there is or is
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: not decomposition.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I've never heard this before. A float test on the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, why would you do a float test on a liver.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Why would there be air in a liver.
• 25:43
  Speaker 13: There would be no air in the liver. So if
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.
• 25:50
  Speaker 13: But if it does float, then it puts into question
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: because there's air in them. So then you have to
• 25:58
  Speaker 13: go to micros scopic analysis.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you compare the float test of the liver
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to the float test of the lungs, and if the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of decompositional gases.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Is that right correct?
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby. What else
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: will be examined to determine the cod of this baby?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Because this all hinges on the coeod. If the baby
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: was dead when it was born, was still born, if
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: then there's not going to be a murder prosecution.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: As Josh Coles.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Really pointed out, a lot is riding on the cause
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: of death. What else will be done, doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or
• 26:48
  Speaker 13: looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope looking
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: lungs there as well, looking to see if the air
• 26:58
  Speaker 13: sacs or the alveolion the lungs have filled up with air.
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: The other thing you'll be looking at is the placenta,
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: if it's available, looking at the placenta looking for any
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or infarction or
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at the umbilical
• 27:17
  Speaker 13: cord to see if it's normally formed, if it was
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: wrapped around the child's neck, or if it has inflammation
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: as well. And then you'll also be looking for any
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the shoulder got
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: stuck and they had to pull the child very hard,
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll also be
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs, breaking
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities,
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: or crushing.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Of the skull. Harmonia Rodriguez dailymail dot com.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Thinking about and analyzing what doctor Kimil Krause just said
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: regarding was a baby shoulder broken or prolapsed when it
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: was delivered, other injuries to the baby during delivery. It's
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: my understanding that she had the pregnancy bump one day
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and the next day Wednesday, it was gone and she
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: went to class, so obviously she did not have any injuries.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: And while we have not been able to confirm that
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: she told anyone about this pregnancy, as we saw the
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: images show that she has a visible bump that she
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: then did not have after given birth, however, so I
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: think it's safe to say she was probably not injured,
• 28:29
  Speaker 12: and the autopsy report did say that the baby did
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: not have any obvious injuries either.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Good reversity jokes in County Bear.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: I am lady in nine.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: How in NC University in Kentucky, and she's twenty years
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: of age her years criteria just selling the.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Moors while also being a student athelete. Do one anthelete
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: on the stunteam.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: At a university of.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: One hundred plus community service.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Hours the past you honored to being around with joy
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: City student.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: There and be eating to represent her.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag the remains of
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: the birth.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: in her closet, but I want you.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: To see some texts that we have uncovered. Here is
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Liacon Snellings.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And if you see her goals, let's see a close
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: up of her goals motherhood. Well, then that baby's getting
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: fed a bottle by a loving mom with blonde hair
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: like Lincoln's. That is not what happened to this baby.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And also circled as her goal is a family with
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: two children, engagement, ring, money, and a house.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: What more have we learned? Being twenty is so weird,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Like I'm an adult, but I still can't really.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Really do anything. But people my age have kids. Well,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I think she knows the answer to that. I actually
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: start tweaking at the fact I may only birth boys
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and never get a girl. That would be a little small,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: miniature me. My parents had a whole child at my age,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and I don't even know how to drive on to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the tracks of a car wash Okay, this and watching
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the kids play in the yard, she seems like she'd
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: be a great mom. How I sleep at night knowing
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I'm dating the person I'm going to marry. Marriage is scary?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: What if he doesn't want to put our daughter in
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: cheer the second she can walk? Okay, I need a shrink,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and I need a shrink right now. Doctor Bethany Marshall.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: The well, they all are significant. Okay, yes, none of
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: this will likely ever come before a jury because they
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: will be deemed not probative.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: In other words, they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything.
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: But what about the part about I want to have
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a mini me? What if I only birth boys, which
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: this was a baby boy, and I don't have a girl,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I don't have a minime? That means something, doctor Bethany.
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her.
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: That she's very self centered, Nancy. She's wrapped up in
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: her own little world. These texts are not to another person.
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself. Now,
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: women who commit in fantaside you usually are not attached
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: to the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: like an it, a thing. It does not have a personality, Nancy.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: When you were first pregnant, I remember you told me
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom, maybe she
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: didn't come around at the right time in her whatever
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: her plan was for her life.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And DoD to Bethany, Here's something I don't understand. And
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: about abortion tonight.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: But if you don't want the baby, why wait nine
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: months and give birth and then murder the baby? Why
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: do that as opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: first three months.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: Nancy, In order to plan for an abortion, you have
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: a baby inside of you, That baby is growing, that
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: baby will be a person in the real world with
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: real needs, a need for food, a need for love,
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: a need for care. I would doubt that she would
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: even be attached enough to this baby to plan any
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: a doctor and got her vitamins or her being ableed
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: care or anything like that. That's one of the more
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: fascinating parts of this story was did anybody recognize she
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: was pregnant? Did her own mother recognize, what about the
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: other people on the cheer team? Or was this sort
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: of a pipe dream about having a baby at some
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: point in her life? But at that point she didn't
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: imagine herself to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: the reality of it all.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And again, I'm not going down the pro life or
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: to the facts.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Lincoln Snelling pleads not guilty to all three charges levied
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: against her and posted her one hundred thousand dollars vond.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: That from our friends at w KYT. And you heard
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the judge there at the end, Judge John Tackett. Wait
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a minute, Harmonia, she not only has walked free, but
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: she doesn't even have to wear an ankle monitor.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: See the judge order her to await trial at her parents'
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: home in Tennessee and specified that she would not have
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: to wear an ankle monitor while she awaits her trial.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Why, Josh Coles rude, You're the former federal prosecutor.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Why not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: To hay with that?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Why is she out on bond?
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: Well?
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: Typically judges have to look at two different prongs when
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: if so, how much. The first is is the person
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: a substantial danger to the community? And the second is
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: are the substantial flight risk?
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Grace, I mentioned the kentuckute cheerleader Lake and Snelling facing
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: twenty years if convicted on manslaughter. There's also an additional
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: eleven years behind bars for the remaining counts of tampering
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: with evidence concealing a corpse. Her indictment was close on
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the heels of a Kentucky Medical Examiners report that said
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the baby was born alive but died of asphyxia, smothering, suffocation, strangulation.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: That's what aphixia means. What do we know about the
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: facts surrounding the case.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Babe, Jim University PD.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm go I need you.
• 36:31
  Speaker 13: Just sent a deputy over here at one twenty five Lakeside.
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: We got a newborn baby's funder started you bad?
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: Okay, descloy too, Yep, thanks Ms Kingham University Delta again.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: The Theta sisters find a suspicious trash bag just outside
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: Next to an instant macincheese box lies a dead baby girl.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Emily Weaver admits she birthed the baby in the downstairs
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: bathroom of the Theata house.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, in that case, sorry's sister is fine.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: A dead infant and a trash bag right outside their
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: front door, and they immediately suspect and Emil Weaver listen, I.
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: Just want to be able to tell yeah, it was
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: the cause of death on the child. And did you
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: do anything physically too? No, it was physically. I really
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: obviously didn't didn't watch at all. I was more concerned.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: I was intentionally get a billet.
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: I mean, I would have like not put its head
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: up when you just want to drop you know.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: What I mean?
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: It was like, potentially.
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: You did.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: Did you try and keep her alive?
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: I didn't.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Amazing And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: a month about the quote situation, and then after just
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: a few hours after giving births as a text no
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: more baby taken care of. The baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: sentenced to life.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: That's what happened there.
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: So I'm just.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Thinking through the having the baby and doing nothing to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: keep the baby alive, not just that putting the baby
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: in a trash bag wrapped in a towel.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: As in this case. Could that have been the cause
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of asphyxiation in the case in chef Now, that case
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: was about Emily Weaver. But then there's Alexei Chiviso.
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  Speaker 9: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom.
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  Speaker 14: She put the baby in the trash can and then
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  Speaker 14: she put another clean liner over the top of it,
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  Speaker 14: so they looked when they looked in there, it looked
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  Speaker 14: there was no trash in that, but it's.
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  Speaker 9: Underneath the clean bag. The baby's dead. Okay, we have
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  Speaker 9: them in Toronto too, But she killed a kid? Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: how was to be? I don't know. It's full time.
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  Speaker 13: She just had it.
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  Speaker 9: She had it in the bathroom, was what happened? And
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  Speaker 9: then she whatever she did.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 14: She's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's
• 39:39
  Speaker 14: been lying the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant and then setting
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  Speaker 2: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near.
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  Speaker 1: The trash can. There's more. We discovered a dead baby
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  Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Oh my gosh, scurry lesi I told
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  Speaker 1: you what about this? I just asked you tell me
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  Speaker 1: the truth? And nothing was crying.
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  Speaker 9: Can do you guys have I'm the charge nurser. Do
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  Speaker 9: you guys have any questions for me?
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  Speaker 1: What nine months something was?
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  Speaker 8: Let's see, have you watched the news of the girls
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  Speaker 8: and what they do to their babies and when.
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  Speaker 1: They go to jail, Doctor Benthony Marshall, what's with that mom?
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  Speaker 8: The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her
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  Speaker 8: grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this
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  Speaker 8: is what we call nancy a soft kill. When women
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  Speaker 8: kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them poisoning them, whereas
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: with men it sends to be some more of overt
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  Speaker 8: physical violence. So this is a soft kill. And the
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  Speaker 8: mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those words
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  Speaker 8: do not come out of the mother's mouth.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like anything you just said. Soft kill.
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  Speaker 2: Those words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would
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  Speaker 2: be to be murdered my Let's just say asphyxiation. Then,
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  Speaker 2: imagine if you're a baby. You can't speak, you can't move,
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  Speaker 2: you can't run away, you can't fight back. You have
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  Speaker 2: to just lay there and die with something held down
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  Speaker 2: over your nose and mouth.
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  Speaker 1: And to doctor Kendall Crown's soft kill, my rear end.
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  Speaker 1: Could this baby have died by asphyxiation?
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  Speaker 2: Simply by the baby putting, being wrapped in towels and
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  Speaker 2: put in a trash bag?
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  Speaker 1: Could that have asphyxiated suffocated the baby.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term infronts or
• 41:52
  Speaker 13: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The
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  Speaker 13: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the
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  Speaker 13: trash bag, throwing it in the trash there's not enough
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  Speaker 13: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so
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  Speaker 13: they eventually will suffocate by being an a plastic bag,
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  Speaker 13: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,
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  Speaker 13: it would suffocate you.
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  Speaker 2: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to hear this case similar and it's
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  Speaker 2: one brought up by Josh Coleroad Skyler Richardson.
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  Speaker 9: Is your bedroom upstairs or bathroom upstairs? Okay? So you
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  Speaker 9: had to walk downstairs? Are you carrying her? Did you
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  Speaker 9: go into the garage.
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  Speaker 3: Or do you have an outdoor shed like where you
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  Speaker 3: have a shovel?
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  Speaker 7: Okay?
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  Speaker 9: When what did you find her? What did you use?
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  Speaker 5: Put a little old my god?
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  Speaker 9: Okay, Anderson, what did you do? Did you have it
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  Speaker 9: and you didn't have any help? Right? Okay? What did
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  Speaker 9: you do with her while you were.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: Digging the hole?
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  Speaker 2: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson dad
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: asked to tell us what's going on, and she says,
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  Speaker 2: I tried to cremate the baby just a little. She
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: tried to burn the baby.
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  Speaker 15: Chris, Yeah, that is absolutely mind blowing, that level of evil.
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  Speaker 15: I just can't even imagine just just all of these cases.
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  Speaker 9: We see just the.
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  Speaker 15: Level of selfishness and self absorbedness in these in these girls,
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  Speaker 15: and just treating these babies just like garbage just absolutely
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  Speaker 15: blows my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Like garbage in every way, putting it, putting babies in trash,
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  Speaker 2: throwing them in dumpsters. I want you to hear it
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: from the horse's mouth, Chris. Here's Skylar Richardson stating that
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  Speaker 2: she tried to cremate the baby just a little.
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  Speaker 9: Kind of helfulforce. She said, you have to tell your
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: reasons to hear that, a.
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  Speaker 6: Little kind of.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Kentucky cheerleader Lake and his Knelling hit the headlines when
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  Speaker 2: a body a body of a newborn baby boy, was
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  Speaker 2: found hidden in her closet in the off campus apartment
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: she shared with roommates. The beauty queen turned cheerleader charged
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  Speaker 2: three days after she gave birth, but only with minor felonies.
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  Speaker 2: Now that charge upgraded by a grand jury to manslaughter.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Kentucky cheerleader beauty queen Lacln Snelling's roommates tol cops they
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: thought she was concealing a pregnancy for some time. Then
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: they said they heard strange noises coming from her room.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Authorities believed that was her during child birth. After giving birth,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: she allegedly cleaned up the room and left her home
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  Speaker 2: to go to McDonald's Okay. Roommates said they found the
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  Speaker 2: newborn baby boy dead in a blood soaked towel left
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  Speaker 2: on the floor of her closet, wrapped in a plastic bag.
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  Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing up Goodbye
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